Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas thinks Israeli settlements are causing dangerous global warming.
At the UN Earth Day ceremony in New York on Friday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas blamed the “Israeli occupation” for global warming. The ceremony was intended to mark the signing of an agreement reached at an international summit in Paris last December, but Abbas seized the opportunity to engage in Israel bashing.
Abbas took the podium and addressed the representatives of 193 nations gathered to address global environmental issues. “The Israeli occupation is destroying the climate in Palestine,” Abbas declared, “And the Israeli settlements are destroying the environment in Palestine. Please help us stop the occupation and the settlements.”
Regardless of your position on the Israel / Palestine situation, suggesting that Israeli settlements contribute significantly to global warming is utterly implausible. But this latest twist in climate politics simply adds tension to a situation which has been brewing, since Palestine was admitted a few days ago, to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
If the US continues to fund the UNFCC, or fulfils Paris “pledges” to contribute to the UNFCC climate fund, not only is this a violation of current US law, there is a serious possibility some US provided money might be diverted to help fund terrorist attacks.
OMG !! Absolute proof of the insanity of this S.C.A.M. !!
I thought this subject was on the banned list at WUWT; Kerry signing things that are against US law.
G
[True. But, within a specific thread back-related to the government’s climate change agenda of total economic dominance and central control, the topic can be explored with its political, emotional, and religious chains all visible. .mod]
Abbas didn’t say global warming, he said environment. Israeli occupiers burning Palestinian olive orchards, destroying Palestinian water cisterns, or letting sewage from settlements flood Palestinian fields is bad for the Palestinian environment.
http://palsolidarity.org/2015/10/settlers-terrorize-palestinian-farmers-in-burin-burn-trees-and-disrupt-olive-harvest/
Of course he did. I’m sure he would say my local K-Mart closing down is because of Israeli occupation.
K-Mart === Rosie McDonald. The start of the end!
On the plus side, the US State Department pick-up basketball team could beat the holy tar out of the Palestinian team.
I am just hoping that after the US elections in November we get an Administration that will flush all this nonsense down the tube.
well, hope for change is what lets you stay in an abusive relationship and keep your victimhood status polished up.
everybody cherishes his right to complain, eh? especially after one has paid so much for so long to earn it.
nobody really wants to be free – they really just want reassurance that everybody else is equally screwed – it gives a sense of community, a way to bond – a way to matter.
also, the easiest way to feel superior is to find somebody worse – so awfulness is much in demand – just going by the trillions of dollars the market for awfulness commands.
so keep on cryin – it’s meaningful, relevant and politically correct- the holy grail of codependence. it doesn’t get any better than awful, right?
gnomish, was there a point to this comment? IF there was, it must have been lost on the drivel.
Point was obvious, except to those invested in missing it.
So how exactly are the Palestinians going to leave this abusive relationship?
Considering the fact that it is the Palestinians who are the abusers, the easiest way for them to leave the relationship would be to clean up their act.
WUWT – have you seen the comprehensive attack on the BBC’s bias. in notalotofpeopleknowthat blogosphere? I hope it goes viral. Pages and pages. Devastating
Smile when you say that son, the British taxpayers pay for that hunk of rot. I remember the days a long time ago when it was not total junk. These days it is the equivalent of a compulsory subscription to the Economist.
Here it is….we could include the CBC in Canada who also are biased about climate change……
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/major-new-complaint-submitted-to-bbc-over-climate-bias/
Not to mention the appalling ABC in Australia.
Thanks for the link.
[snip – that’s over the top, and an ugly image we don’t need here – Anthony]
I think it is more a case of using any opportunity to air the issue of the illegal encroachment of Isreali settlements on Palestinian land. Please don’t take this as being anti-semetic as my wife and hence my children are jewish.
Since there is no illegal encroachment, one has to wonder about the veracity of the rest of your claims.
Tell that to the Palestinains losing their homes and farms!!
You have yet to show that this encroachment exists, much less that it’s illegal.
Tell that to the Palestinains losing their homes and farms!!
Which ones – those who were killed by fellow palestinians for selling their property to Jews or those whose close family members had committed acts of terrorism against Israel?
the only palestinian farms lost have been those taken to put in Industrial Zones that fail one after another.
the palestines were handed a large swath of land in exchange that they would stop bombing..and haven’t,
Back to subject at hand: palestinian leadership claims farming land creates c02 because not much is done on their side.
Meanwhile Israeli energy is used to produce electrical services, electrical to run clean drinking water systems and sewer systems…all supplied for free from Israel to palestinian territories.
If Israel resides completely within the legal boundaries set at the time of its creation, then there is no illegal encroachment. If it has acquired other lands through acts of war, then there IS illegal encroachment. So, MarkW, I would say you are proven wrong.
If it has acquired other lands through acts of war, then there IS illegal encroachment
Israel won number of wars she didn’t start. How is it illegal?
But by your logic vast majority of US is illegal encroachment. And not just US – the rest of the world is in that category as well, many times over.
TomO: Nice of you to deny to Jews the rights held by every other people’s group in the world.
The Arabs attacked Israel. They lost the subsequent wars.
Those lands belong to Israel and no amount of crocodile tears on the part of the anti-semites of the world is going to change that fact.
Tom O:
You’re being too simplistic. If you start down the line you’re going, then the US shouldn’t ‘own’ Hawaii. Oh, hold on, it should give the US back to the ‘Red Indians’. Australia should be given back to the Aborigines. Britain should give the Falkland Islands back to…France (or sheep – better behaved). Where do we stop? Lands claimed through war, or just claimed, remain the ownership of the present occupier. It’s not ideal, but that’s just the way it is.
Care to explain just what happened to all the pristine vineyards, and other agricultural wonders, that were left behind in the Gaza strip, when Israel pulled out of there, and turned it over to its present “home owners” and ‘farmers’.
I’m under the impression that the new owners just systematically destroyed what had been left for them. Well I could be wrong; I have only USA news sources to rely on.
As I mentioned apparently improperly elsewhere, I’m quite familiar with biblical references to “the land of Palestine. “, but I don’t recall even one biblical reference to any people called Palestinians.
It seems like Moses or maybe Aaron managed to locate the only dry hole in the entire middle East for his “promised land”. Some great navigator.
There was a King Abdullah of Jordan, who was either the grandfather or GGfather of the present King of Jordan, who apparently single handedly created a new people out of a bunch of dissidents, in that part of Palestine, that is East of the Jordan River, and the natural border of present day country of Israel.
Well that didn’t include the Gaza strip that was a part of Egypt.
The Gaza strip is like the piece of land from San Diego, to the Mexican border, that is west of Highway 5 in SoCal.
Well I’m not a history buff. But I believe it was in 1948 that the UN was formed, and everybody agreed to settle their territorial differences peacefully in the halls of the UN, instead of by just going in and seizing somebody else’s stuff, as Argentina did to the Falkland Islands, that never ever were a part of the nation of Argentina.
I believe historically, those islands did from time to time become part of the Spanish Empire; depending on whose pirates were better; but they never were part of Argentina.
Well I digress. We all agreed to let the UN handle all squabbles.
G
Well as I recall, it was the surrounding Arab States that attacked Israel, and got their asses kicked, including Egypt, and Syria, but they gambled and lost. And land that you lose in a war, is land that you lost. So you should only start wars with little guys that you can lick, and then you get to keep what they lost.
But I’m not making any judgement. I think it was Golda Meier who said, we will have peace, when they care more about their own children, more than they hate us; or words to that effect.
Me personally, I have a 20 foot wide strip of land on the north edge of my property, that I would gladly give to my immediate neighbor in that direction. He uses it, and my water well that is on it to irrigate his crops, and I’d be happy to just peel it off and let him have it; no charge.
G
” Jewishism? ” is a religion, not a nationality or a race…it is not passed on to children by blood…It is taught..
I don’t know what “Jewishism” is, but Jews are certainly a race.
The DNA tests prove that very conclusively and beyond any doubt.
It has little to do with religion, there are very many Jews who completely non-religious. They are still Jews.
People with 1/16 of jewish blood who were 4th generation christians were killed in gas chambers for that not passed on to children by blood thing.
Anyone, of any race, can become Jewish ! As per Jewishism…
Dauermann on Jewishism vs. Judaism………
This passage has much to teach us about the difference between Messianic Judaism and Messianic Jewishism. Messianic Jewishism is about shtick—it is about adding Jewish decorations to our bodies, our homes, our services. You see Messianic Jewishism in too many congregations where the objects and practices of Jewish life are used inappropriately and on a whim, where following a sense of personal leading is approved of, but where following a Torah-based way of life may even be regarded with suspicion or hostility, and where just a little bit of Torah life is good, but any more is surely going overboard. In many cases, Messianic Jewishism even embodies a mindset that is fundamentally secular or pop-culture-religious, coating it over with a thin veneer of Jewish looking stuff. But such a road does not lead to the mindset, the heart-set, the life-set of our ancestors. How could this ever be what God has in mind for Messianic Judaism?
https://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/dauermann-on-jewishism-vs-judaism/
I am not Jewish or any other organized religion, but I have Jewish relatives disowned by their families because they married “OUTSIDE” of their RELIGION ! When my sister (Catholic) and her husband (Jewish)
have a child, will that child be Catholic or Jewish ?
Jewishism sounds like made-up word. Never heard of it. Messianic Judaism is essentially form of Christianity with ethnic Jews as members.
Jews are definitely a race. It is also a religion. It is really both and its pretty complicated.
You can become a Jew by going through a religious conversion to Judaism – a process called giur. This is not a simple thing like in Christianity or Islam, it is pretty hard to become a Jew this way, but it is possible.
As far as your sister’s child goes, he/she will be 1/2 Jewish. If the child ever decides to become Israel citizen or actually practice Judaism, he/she will have to convert.
In situation where mother is Jewish the child would be a Jew no matter who father was.
It works even if mother doesn’t actively practice Judaism. I am not sure what would happen if mother is a Jew who converted to another religion.
There IS no right and wrong over the Israel/Palestine situation. If you think there is then you haven’t read up on the history. It’s one of the very few (maybe the only) situation where there is NO clear cut answer, and neither has the ‘right’. Given that I have read the history, I’m tempted to say that it’s 55/45 in Israel’s favour, but even that is the fault of the government of the day (my government, here in the UK) after WW2, so really it’s closer to 50/50. Don’t forget what happened in 2003. That alone proved that Palestinians wouldn’t be happy even if Israel decamped to a new land altogether. There’s an old Arabian saying (about themselves): an Arab never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
“There’s an old Arabian saying (about themselves): an Arab never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” This is not an Arab saying. It was said by Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat, in the 60’s.
so what history have you read? Have you looked at pre-1900 history, or do you only look at post 1948? First, prior to WW1, there certainly was no “Israel,” certainly not for 100s of years. And the last I had read, some of the old line Rabbis were saying Israel is not as yet supposed to be a state: that they have not as yet fulfilled the requirements for the Messiah to come. So I guess it depends on the history you choose to read.
Tom O:
Yes, I’ve read it going back 1,500 years BCE. That’s why I said that there is no right and wrong. I haven’t ‘chosen’ to read particular parts, I read it all. If you read it (and you evidently haven’t) then the only conclusion you can come to (if you’re not Jewish or Palestinian) is that it probably is the only unresolvable issue in the world…due to the history. You can tie yourself in knots trying to come down on one side or the other.
ABan:
I heard that from two Arabs!
If the Arabs would decide to live in peace, there would be peace.
That’s a simple fact that has been in place for 100’s of years. (Long before the existence of Israel.)
Israel is merely the latest excuse the Arabs have used to excuse their own inability to live peaceably with their neighbors and each other. Not to mention their own failure to form any form of functioning society.
prior to WW1, there certainly was no “Israel,”
But there was “Palestine” prior to WW1, right? Right? No? Oh. Ok then.
And why “100s of year” becomes an issue, all of a sudden? I mean, by your logic, after Romans had ethnically cleansed region off of Jews, the Jews suddenly lost all of the rights to live there? But so called “palestinians” who voluntarily left to allow another ethnic cleansing of Jews to take place managed to keep theirs?
And how is the opposition of orthodox Jews to creation of Israel 100 years ago de-legitimizes it?
The logic boggles the mind.
Indeed, 2003 showed that the Palestinians couldn’t stay quiet for more than a few hours.
Aban is correct, it was from an Israeli diplomat, but it is still true..IMHO..
http://www.alonben-meir.com/article/never-missed-an-opportunity-to-miss-an-opportunity/
This saying is specifically targeted to opportunities for Palestinians to normalize relationship with Israel.
It’s also incorrect – it makes it look like Palestinians miss something – they don’t.
They really don’t want to normalize relationship with Israel.
None of those opportunities were missed – they were ignored on purpose.
Unfortunately Harrowsceptic’s view is shared by many if not by most of the world. Like the constant the warmist propaganda about CAGW, the myth that Israeli settlements are illegal has been swallowed hook line and sinker by the majority.
Perhaps those who have been taken in should read:
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-illegal-settlements-myth/
Incidentally, the author David M. Phillips is (or was) Professor of Law at NorthEastern University.
The settlements may be unwise but they are not illegal.
Well I blame it all on Lawrence or Arabia, who single handedly turned a bunch of small warring tribes into a bunch of big rich warring nations, who can’t even like each other because some of them open their boiled eggs at the small end, and some of them open them at the big end.
But all of them claim allegiance to the same god, and the same prophets; well there is only one prophet, they all claim as their own.
They could all turn the whole place back into a garden of eden, if they just combined their efforts, and used Israeli knowhow, and Arab oil riches, to make it all bloom again and benefit all of them.
But just as the car behind you doesn’t want to be in front; he just wants to be in front of the car that is in front of him(er), one of the antagonists in this unpleasantry simply wants to get back all of the lands that once was theirs, in their view; UN charter (which they all signed) be damned.
Strange that the same persons all sign the exact same pledge that I signed when I applied for a USA green car immigration visa, which said I would uphold the laws, and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies domestic and foreign.
So those persons who sign that, and then come to the USA, only to immediately demand their own laws; none of which comply with the US Constitution; lied on their application (which in itself is an approved part of their culture, to advance their cause), which makes them amongst the domestic enemies against whom I am pledged to defend the US Constitution.
So I don’t care what their culture is, or where they come from, or what they believe or their religion, or anything else about them; but I do care that they lied on an immigrant application and thereby displaced someone else who wanted to come to the USA and become an American (sans hyphens of any other appendation).
G
And I am sure that the live wire genius standing next to Abbas would agree with him.
Sure, why not.
If 4 additional molecules of CO2 per 10,000 is believable as the cause, why not Israeli occupation. There is no illogical explanation in our post-modern world of science.
We may as well blame the Iditarod for melting Antarctic ice caps (which are actually growing) even though it is run in Alaska. No logic necessary to support the argument.
Logic and science are dead and have been replaced by a French Impressionist version where the “vision” is more important than the accuracy.
FTOP_T. The additional CO2 “attributed” to man is approx.100ppm of the current 400ppm portion of the atmosphere. Which works out to 1 molecule per 10,000 atmospheric molecules. Still, I think your point is valid, given the arithmetic, one wonders what the fuss is about.
And I agree…when it comes to man-made climate change/global warming, the “vision” trumps reality all the time. These fervid imaginations within the climate science community blossom with the “peer reviewed” stamp of approval.
And I think that the amount attributed to man is calculated based on isotope ratios between C12 and C13, with the belief that the C13 is from “fossil fuel” since it is believed that ancient plants had a preference for C13. Of course, it appears that neither natural gas nor petroleum actually have anything to do with “fossil” anything or we would have run out by now, and it is equally questionably that the vast quantity of coal worldwide is, in truth, “fossil remains,” though I am sure at least some of it might be. It always found it difficult to understand how fossilized plants managed to be massed together and then somehow buried under 100s of feet of rock with no similar ongoing process between peat bogs on the surface and coal being mined `100s of feet down. Almost like some one had a massive compost heap sitting on a rock pancake, and flipped it over, so the compost was below the rock. Scientific explanations for a lot of things seem to defy “logic,” yet somehow become “facts.”
EXACTLY! This is much the same as the claims that Freon Releases in the Northern Hemisphere created the Ozone Hole over Antarctica. Even though NOBODY ever proposed a mechanism to move Freon Decay Components from the Northern Hemisphere, where 90% of the Freon Releases occur, to the Southern Hemisphere and then concentrate them over the South Pole!
I think you mean “1” additional molecule of CO2 per 10’000 air molekules…
Because there were already roughly 3 per 10’000 before the industrial revolution. Then our climate was in the middle of the “cosy” Little Ice Age which the greenies seem to judge as the “ideal” state of the planet…
Alas – what has become of the age of enlightenment !
Yes. One (1) molecule per 10000 additional.
This one molecule more in the atmosphere also somehow causes the ocean to acidify, even though the ocean contains 50 times more CO2 than the atmosphere, and the entire atmospheric CO2 content cycles through the ocean every eight (8) years.
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/carboncycle.htm
So for the ocean inclusive carbon cycle a 25% atmospheric increase is a .5% increase in the system.
Yet somehow this is burning up the earth, warming up the ocean, and turning the sea into an acid bath.
Color me skeptical.
ROFLMAO!!!! That’s (mis)using propaganda for you! Too fricking funny. How did he NOT crack up while making that ridiculous statement? And how did the 193 delegates he addressed not laugh him out of the room?
Who’s next in the firing line? Because here’s how it goes: __insert country/politician/leader__ says, “don’t blame us for ___insert social/political/religious excuse for more money___ because it wasn’t US, it’s THEM! ___insert opposing social/political/religion/country/ideology__ for this mess because THEY ___insert bogus claim__ did it!”
Seriously this is a case of the ghost of “Not Me” that resides in houses all over the world.
WOW that is hard to read….ok try this instead:
XYZ blames ABC for PDQ because it isn’t XYZ’s fault for PDQ.
There that is better…..
“How did he NOT crack up while making that ridiculous statement?”
Because this is the way these guys REALLY think.
It is Antisemitism turned Anti-Israelism.
Thea other question (how did the 193 delegates he addressed not laugh him out of the room?) is much more telling of the situation.
A nasty political dispute, but so is CAGW in general. To paraphrase an old coment “it’s politics all the way down”.
money money money the UN pot of cash is being divided up. He is making his propaganda spew case for a share of it. Sickening.
I would have thought it was the complete opposite – Israel is teaching the world how to live with climate change (if such a thing exists).
This began in the 1970s with the drilling for water programme, which greened vast swathes of Israel and ‘Palestine’.** But the water levels dropped in the bores, and it was eventually discovered that this was fossil water, with no possibility of replenishment.
So Israel embarked on the largest desalination program, probably in the world, and is now producing half of the regions water requirements through desalination.
How Israel deals with a ‘devastating’ drought, by doing nothing.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.596270
And Israel has developed this expertise to such an extent, that it is now teaching California how to deal with droughts. So Israel saves California from ‘climate change’ too.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-13/israel-desalination-shows-california-not-to-fear-drought
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** An apprpriated name. The original Palestinians were the Peleset, and they came from Mycenae in Greece. They invaded the Levant during the Sea People invasions of the 11th century bc. They are probably cognate with the biblical Philistines. But the original Peleset-Palestinians were all erradicated during the 7th century Arab-Muslim invasions of the Levant. So the present ‘Palestinians’ are not Palestinian at all. Arab, Persian or Parthian perhaps, but not Palestinian.
R
Arafat was Egyptian.
ralfellis, The region named “Palestine” is actually what is today Israel (25% appr.) and Jordan (75% appr.).
Strangely enough (not really… 😉 ) these people have no claim over 75% of their supposed home land.
But it was not ‘their home’. Jordan was Christian until the 8th century, while Israel was Judaeo-Christian. (Most of the Jews had gone, because the Romans kicked them out in AD 70).
The Arabs (what you call Palestinians) were 8th century invaders, who devastated the region. They caused the 800 Dead Cities of Aleppo, when they devastated and depopulated the land. And these people were still a pain in the 20th century. Many went to Jordan after the Arab-Israeli wars, and caused so much trouble there that the Jordanians bombed them back into Israel on Black September.
Name me any achievement of the Palestinian people, bar moaning, griping, and causing trouble. In contrast, while all this has been going on, the Israelies have won dozens of Nobel prizes.
R
The Arabs really invaded this area only in the late 1800’s.
Read Mark Twain’s book ” The Innocents Abroad” for reference.
Most came after Jews began reviving this barren and forsaken place – offering jobs and good pay for workers from all over the region. (how sarcastic),
>>The Arabs really invaded this area only in the late 1800’s.
Nonsense.
The Dead Cities if Aleppo were destroyed in the 8th century. As were places all across North Africa, like SbeitIa in modern Tunisia. Edessa and Amida were occupied in the 8th century, and temporarily saved by the 1st Crusade. But then destroyed in following centuries. And while Asia Minor held out for longer, Places like Didyma were destroyed in the 14th century and Constantinople in the 15th century.
Saying this was an 18th century invasion is a complete ignorance of history.
R
Isn’t it peculiar how suddenly areas of conflict are the result of “climate change” with a fully developed local explanation from every where from the Indian sub continent to the Arctic and the Middle East like “Venus on a Half Shell” springing forward from the lips of local political hacks?
Muslims have been managing to not get along with their neighbors for some 1400 years and counting.
Muslims don’t even get along with fellow Muslims!
bazzer1959, Muslims especially don’t get along with fellow Muslims.
Too true. And remember that all of these lands were Christian, until the Muslim invasions of the 8th century. All of the Near East, North Africa and Anatolia was Byzantine Christian, until they were all eliminated and displaced. Some quite recently in the early 20th century. While much of Iraq was Jewish until 1947, with the greatest Jewish seminary being at Pumbeditha (now Fallujah). Read up about the recent exile of the Babylonian Jews, and the various Turkish pogroms against the Armenian and Greek Christians.
R. (I am not Christian myself.)
The Crusades were a response to this invasion by Muslim forces.
Business as usual – for politicians. We the people pay for this nonsense.
Not anymore–at least in the US…see the Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #223 and follow the links about the illegal funding to the UN.
That’s a keeper. The copyrighted Climate Change con caused my homework not to get done and for me to be late today. You’re in the 3 percent denier camp if you say otherwise.
Well, you would have to agree that the whole middle east problem produces an awful lot of hot air.
Let it be known for all future generations that in the early 21st century human civilization went off the rails and converted from making things to making things up. This was all made possible by sprawling factory cities in China.
That guy pictured with Abbas is the real con artist of the 21st century and I hope his granddaughter realizes that some day.
Yes. He conned his way into the Heinz money….
Are these idiots, and I mean IDIOTS really this naively insane? Why yes Tom they are….they really are.
We need a new category for posts like this.
This is not politics, this is idiotics.
Great picture! John Kerry looks his I.Q.
Stan Laurel was for the climate change agreement too. Who knew
They’re a little late to file their claim for redistributive change from catastrophic anthropogenic government whoring.
Is that John Kerry, who works for our government, smiling great big and shaking that @$$h0!e$ hand?
Why yes, it is.
In the old days the U.S. gave away huge concessions in international agreements in return for some assurances on human rights provisions in the foreign land. Now they do it for climate change agreement. Enjoy….and watch your backside if you are allied with the U.S. on anything like security etc.
It makes complete sense if you view it through a greenie lens.
The Israelis are more affluent than the Palestinians, therefore the Israelis use more energy. Much of the energy comes from fossil fuels and promotes CAGW.
If we reduce everyone to the level of the Palestinians we will reduce atmospheric CO2 and will help to save the planet. Never mind that the population of Israel is only 8,476,600. Everyone has to do their part.
It’s so simple. 🙂
Until Israel stops annexing land through genocide and adheres to their original agreement 50 years ago…I could care less what Palestine says.
Articles on Israel certainly does bring out the anti-semites.
Genocide? Is that what they are calling self-defense these days?
The only land annexed by Israel occurred after it’s Arabs nations launched wars against it.
Every other country in the world is allowed to capture territory from which attacks were launched.
For some reason Jews have less rights than does everyone else.
Yes, it’s all totally illogical, isn’t it? I have been infuriated by the bias against Israel. Every time an attack was initiated by the Palestinians but the Israelis were blamed for daring to respond. The BBC would concentrate on the injured in Palestine but ignore those in Israel who had not started the trouble.
I think, like a commenter above, that it is one of the truly intractable problems of the present time.
It is much easier than that: The whole of the “West Bank” is not Palestinian land (by the simple and obvious fact there is no Palestine state to won it).
It is considered by international law to be “Land in Dispute”. (BTW – even before ’67 war, it was a land in dispute held by the Jordanians who by act of war taken over it in ’48)).
Israelis has as much right to live there as anybody else.
As for the claims of “genocide” and “land confiscations”…. well I do not expect anything else from people whose hatred for Jews prevent them from using logic and facts.
First of all, it’s ‘couldn’t care less’, not ‘could’! If Palestinians stopped attacking Israel, then it couldn’t annexe more of it. could it? The problem lies in the original location of attack.
Dog.
The Arabs (the pseudo-Palestinians) lost that land after attacking Israel, on all fronts on no less than three or more occasions. There is no automatic right to lands you lost while attacking your neighbour.
And as an aside, the main beneficiary of these wars was the West. It proved to the Soviets that their military equipment was rubbish, as the Israelies sliced through it like a knife through butter. Which dissuaded the Soviet commanders from storming across Europe, because they knew the same would happen. So peace in Europe was maintained at the expence if wars in Israel.
R
The so-called “annexed land” I believe is just outside the city walls of Jerusalem, which is entirely within Israel. It is their land under the original UN arrangement. Yes they kept some of the lands that the Arabs who attacked them lost in those wars That’s how it goes if you start a war against a neighbor, and get whipped. so why would you give back those lands from which the original wars were launched ??
G
If that land is West of the Jordan river, then it most certainly is their land. Beyond that river is most of Arabia.
G
Later the poor leader,of Hamas/Palestine confesses to having been sucked into the Vortex of stupidity, that surrounds the USA Foreign Affairs Secretary.
The Kerry Effect being almost as pernicious as the Gore Effect.
Let me guess, our super genius Kerry agrees with Abbas. There is a level of stupidity / insanity out of our “leaders” that is beyond frightening.
Frightening, yes. Truly sinister.
“If the US continues to fund the UNFCC, or fulfils Paris “pledges” to contribute to the UNFCC climate fund, not only is this a violation of current US law…”
Is anyone pursuing this? If those who can do something about it let these guys get away with breaking this law, there will be not only further deterioration of the Constitution on into irrelevance, it will set a terrible precedent. Look, you have the troughers all seeking ways to put sceptics, oil companies, think tanks behind bars and our side is not taking care of what should be done to maintain the country’s laws. Fight back at least with things that are a clear win situation! Sometimes the helplessness that seems to pervade the sceptical side in this particular arena is very scary.
Where have I seen that face before?
Hilarious perfection, ossqss! 😀
Even though the resemblance is uncanny, this could not possibly be anyone related to Mr, John Kerry. The person depicted in ossquss’ picture is way too level-headed.
On a lighter note, Mr. John Kerry goes into a bar. The bartender looks at him and asks, “John, why the long face?”
If the quotations are correct, Abbas never blamed global warming on the settlers. His quoted words are: “The Israeli occupation is destroying the climate in Palestine,” Abbas declared, “And the Israeli settlements are destroying the environment in Palestine. Please help us stop the occupation and the settlements.”
Now Abbas may be wrong in his accusation, but the original writer seems unable to distinguish between Palestine and the Globe. It is not impossible to modify local climate, and certainly it has occurred in other places in the past.
Let’s see now…..what accusation just might stick against the wall…..
Ok, sorry to be a wet blanket here but neither the quotes provided in the post here nor the linked story support the claim of Abbas blaming Israeli occupation for causing GW. In the quotes he’s blaming Israeli occupation for local environmental damage, which is well within the realm of possible. A cursory google search didn’t turn up any supporting statements either.
Can anyone provide some evidence in support of the claim?
My thoughts exactly, and at about the same time… Is that so hard to see? Is there not enough to be critical about without making up straw men?
Actually, Abbas said it was destroying both the Palestinian climate And the Palestinian environment:
“The Israeli occupation is destroying the climate in Palestine,” Abbas declared, “And the Israeli settlements are destroying the environment in Palestine.”
Ray. Yes, which is why I gave both quotes. “In Palestine” is the point, not “Global”. Abbas did not accuse the Israelis of changing the climate (or the environment) in Peoria.
He is blaming Israel settlements for changing Palestinian climate.
Keep in mind that he considers all of the former “British mandate” territories to be Palestine. So that is not a little UHI thing he accuses Israel of. Given that people like Kerry use single localized weather events as proof of AGW, conclusion of author is very reasonable.
But if you don’t see it… There is no helping you then.
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A local climate (ie Palestinian or Yucatanian or Chernobolian etc.) can certainly be “destroyed” or at least perceived to be destroyed by activities that have nothing to do with AGW.
This is a bridge too far from what was actually said.
Destroyed? Really?
Ok, show me any example of such “climate destruction”
Not just climate change and not just environmental effects but actual climate destruction. Proveably caused by our actions. On a area the size of Israel.
What better example of science becoming (or being absconded by politicians to become) “political science”.
Dear bloody lord, mind you Abbas is a clown. Installed useful idiot.
I thought occupations and wars were caused by climate change, now it is the opposite lol
*now it is the opposite..
Get ready for the Earth’s spin is changing because of climate change department’s announcements
Abbas is making Baghdad Bob look like an amateur.
If the Arab countriess do not have an Israel to fight against, they will start fighting with each other.
They already started.
This segment here is a cynical and rather pathetic effort to bring back the glory days of Israel-hate being the glue of the Arab world.
Sadly for Abbas nobody gives a rat’s ass about him anymore – the Arab world is in a colossal fight within itself.
It is simply amazing how many people posting here are unaware that the so-called “Palestinians” are neither Arabs nor are they Native to the Middle East! These people are Caucasians from the Caucasus Region of the Black Sea. Ever notice just how “White” Mahmoud Abbas is?
..Why do you think other Arab nations won’t take them ?
Not entirely true – the majority of these people came to “Palestine” during the late 1800’s and first half of 1900’s from all over the Middle East, North Africa and from Eastern Europe.
An anecdote – most of the Bedouins in the Sinai desert originated in Romania…
Odd, most Israelis are eastern Europeans who came from the Mongol Empire to Turkey to Hungary and into Europe.
So how does this ^^ or your statement change the fact that settlers were granted land by the UN (most of the best land with the smaller population) and then began taking the land outside those borders consistently right up to today?
Mark, Odd that you accuse other of bigotry when you trot out the old anti-semitic, and thoroughly discredited, Khazar hypothesis. You may want to start your reading here: http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol85/iss6/9/
No one there eh
http://www.juancole.com/images/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-04-17-at-3.37.59-AM.png
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.603969.1404899429!/image/2146343385.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_609x343/2146343385.jpg
Palestine was occupied by very white Britain and people wonder why there are some fair skinned people lol
Some people are so bigoted as to revise history to suit their beliefs
Someone here are no so different on this subject as others are on CAGW. Irony
A later Palestinian Anglo pound, from a site selling Israeli images from 1958
http://www.israelimages.com/see_image_details.php?idi=1598
it seems Palestine existed except in the minds of those attempting to reconcile cognitive dissonance because we can all see the land being taken and the walls going up around said stolen land, but a reason must be found to condone this and is why you hear people talk of “Palestinians are not from there” as this is the only way a rational mind can reconcile what they are seeing with what they want to believe.
The human capacity for self delusion knows no bounds, and I actually include myself in that “human” group, over the past 30 years I have had many long held beliefs turned upside including global warming.
“The Israeli occupation is destroying the climate in Palestine,” Abbas declared.
Climate change is so nebulous it can cause anything and be blamed on anything. That’s what it was created for, to be a universal boogeyman that politicians could exploit. But you can’t patent climate change. Anyone can use it for their own purposes, no matter how ridiculous. And when it gets exploited too often, when every political grievance and every act of nature gets blamed on climate change, it begins to lose its fear factor and its credibility. It’s like crying ‘wolf” every day to keep your neighbors alarmed and ready for a wolf attack that you believe is going to happen at any moment. Eventually, they tune you out and are no longer alarmed by your cries.
Nonsene. Pure nonsense.
Israeli historians readily accept 1948 was genocide. They say it was not planned but it did happen. Alan Dershowitz even accepts this and that is saying something.
There have been 37 massacres since 1947, shall I name them all, provide the background, dates deaths and so on for you, with much of my information from Israeli sources.
I’ve conversed often with a former IDF soldier who collects testimonies of soldiers after battle, and the stuff he is told is nothing like official accounts, one of which was soldiers were allowed blow off steam over losing comrades by setting imaginary arbitrary red lines on maps and shooting anyone that ventures beyond them, which is nearly always young men as they are the ones who go searching through rubble. I can even provide videographic evidence proving this, as a man walking with dayglo dressed aid workers was shot dead by the IDF, he was just a young man looking for people in the piles of rubble. The aid workers had to watch as he was shot again, they could not come into the line of fire.
Dont get me wrong, Abbas is a sock puppet. But your take on it is some sort of dreamworld
Imagine mexico decided to take the land between you and where your family live, and you had to travel through two new checkpoints taking the best part of a day to get through a times, just to see your brother, this is the reality each time palestine is fractured by land grabs
The irrational logic of claiming they are “not belonging there” by people who have absolutely no link to that part of the world is so stupid it beggars belief.
Someone said “oh they are Caucasian they cant belong there”,,. that is racist BS
** Correction, I said “Israeli historians readily accept 1948 was genocide.”
What I meant to say was “Israeli historians readily accept 1948 was Ethnic Cleansing”
MarkT, I was going to comment on your outrageous accusation on 1948 being genocide, when I noted you partially corrected your falsehood. Your “correction”, however, remains false. Israeli historians do not “readily accept 1948 was Ethnic Cleansing”. On the contrary, this is believed by a minority of Israeli academics, the so-called “New Historians”. Hell, even Benny Morris now says “”There was no Zionist ‘plan’ or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of ‘ethnic cleansing'”.
As you are well aware, the Palestinian leadership was offered peace at Taba and at Camp David which would have involved Palestinian control over 97% of the West Bank and Gaza with the other 3% being made up through land swaps. They rejected this, insisting in addition to the right of return of all refugees and descendants. This would make Jews a minority in Israel so was obviously a non-starter to Israel. Riddle me this – how can Israel make peace with an opponent that will not recognize its right to exist? Israel has shown a repeated willingness to trade land for peace. There is no evidence of reciprocity from the either the PA or Hamas. Have you been to a pro-Palestinian protest anywhere in the US lately? If so, you know that the refrain chanted is “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. Think about what that means.
the bottom line, Israel is there, Palestinians are there, lets cut the historical wrangling and create either one secular state or two states. Land swaps and borders drawn and apply international law for once.
99% of people are caught in the middle, there are vested interests on both sides and the vast VAST majority are stuck in the middle. Those interests dont want peace.
I skipped over most of the posts in this one.
Better off, the ignorance and bigotry is immense
“The Israeli occupation is destroying the climate in Palestine,” Abbas declared.
What does a destroyed climate look like? Can another climate be bought to replace the ruined one?
“The Israeli occupation is destroying the climate in Palestine,” Abbas declared, “And the Israeli settlements are destroying the environment in Palestine. Please help us stop the occupation and the settlements.”
That’s a good one, until know nobody knew of Palestine sporting its own climate.
Maybe we can learn from the developing ones – develop your own climate !
I wonder what percentages of psychotic delusions can be accounted for by partisan politics and by illogical religious preconceptions.
Fact: Palestinians never wanted peace OR land. They love living on hand outs from UNRWA , UN, Saudis, Ayatollas etc etc so they can live for free (not be free). Their ambition of conquering all of Palestine from River to sea ended when Israel became an undefeatable force. But rest assured It is with in Hamas and the PLO’s charter to murder and kill all the jews around the world. Israel is the last sanctuary for all the Jews in the world and what better way to destroy them than by destroying their last hopes?