Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to Gizmodo, Carbon Emission Trading is one of the five stages of grief.
“The interplay between the climate realities we likely face and the potential psychological fallout from them was the subject of a conference convened in Washington D.C., in March 2009,” write Lise van Susteren, MD, and Kevin J. Doyle, JD, introducing their work. “A highly respected group of experts offered insights. Their thoughts, recommendations and supporting evidence are presented in this report.”
“The Psychological Effects of Global Warming on the United States,” examines the hitherto undiscussed effects of increasingly prevalent extreme weather, sea level rise, drought and other impacts of climate change on mental health. How will we cope with a changing world?
“The incidences of mental and social disorders will rise steeply. These will include depressive and anxiety disorders, post traumatic stress disorders, substance abuse, suicides, and widespread outbreaks of violence. Children, the poor, the elderly, and those with existing mental health disorders are especially vulnerable and will be hardest hit.”
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The report’s findings are the subject of the first episode of Bill Nye’s new show, “Global Meltdown.”
He compares our gradual acceptance of the realities of global warming to the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
Denial and anger we see every day, in our politics. Bargaining we see with carbon emissions trading. Depression has become a well known problem for climate scientists. Acceptance? That’s where we need to be so that we can do something about climate change, even if much of its future impact is already guaranteed.
I’m glad that greens are starting to admit carbon trading is a complete waste of money and effort, but I must say the prediction of a steep rise in psychological problems, is a bit like failed predictions that we shall be overwhelmed by hordes of climate refugees.
So far the only people getting depressed about climate change are green fanatics and climate scientists, whose obsession with the predictions of their broken models appears to be causing real psychological difficulties.
There is one source of future climate related psychological problems which concerns me – the ongoing efforts by green fanatics to infect school children with their depressing life view. Growing up is challenging enough; trusted teacher authority figures telling kids that they have no future, because the world is about to end, cannot be helping the children in their charge, to safely navigate their path to well adjusted adulthood.
1. Denial (is the key stage, here…)
Persistent belief in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.
CO2 EMISSIONS UP. WARMING STOPPED.
AGW was D.O.A. and is now confirmed dead.
Sorry {stifle chuckle} …. now it is time for:
2. Depression.
3. Anger
4. Guilt
and…. hopefully…. one — of — these — years…..
5. ACCEPTANCE!
#(:)) <– not grieving AGW's demise AT all.
Except for our mutual home state of Washington, dear Janice. As you may already be aware, there are at least two Carbon Taxing and Trading Schemes being considered for 2016. One is a referendum (Initiative 732 or I-732) being pushed by Carbon Washington:
http://carbonwa.org/. I-732 apparently is an initiative to the Legislature, which would force lawmakers to either pass the measure or send it to a public vote. The supporters just the other day obtained enough signatures to validate the initiative.
See also another pro-carbon tax viewpoint: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/25/1380278/-Competing-WA-cap-and-trade-ballot-initiative-A-modest-proposal-to-stop-the-insanity
Our State governor Jay “I’ll Pass A Carbon Tax On My Watch” Inslee and his minions are in opposition to I-763, mostly because the language does not include largess to fund schools.
The other push is from this organization:
http://jobscleanenergywa.com/. This is more the cap-and-trade route, which is more to the liking of Inslee and his ilk.
Looks like they are also looking to combine the two ideas into one big tax scheme for us carbon-dioxide belching Washingtonians. The fight against and the long-awaited demise of the cAGW cabal and their incessant attack on the constituency of our state appears far from over.
Let’s get the word out, to educate all in our circles of influence (be they as they may) that carbon dioxide is NOT the climate control knob, and we do not need to willingly provide the takers via vote with the means to further control our freedoms in our State of Washington. Are you with me??
MCR
I am WITH you, bruhthah! #(:))
Too bad we can’t give Eastern Washington a handicap in elections (like… each Eastern Wash. vote = 10,000 of a Western Wash. vote, heh). Thankfully, the State Senate does give the voice of reason a little clout… . Well, I say…. just hang in there, Mr. Roberts! AGW is on the way out. in fits and starts, but, like the ebbing tide, it may surge up the beach aways… but it — is — on — the — way — out.
What do you think of my latest bumper sticker idea?
You sure do have a good memory… I will try to reciprocate (mutter, mutter, note to self, scribble, scribble, “Michael Roberts is from Washington” <– of COURSE I do not think of that other place when I think "Washington" As if!
Okay. Some Washington camaraderie: Do you get kinda tired of having to add "state" every time you talk with a non-Washington person? Why can't they just call it "D.C." and spare us the aggravation ….
You may jest Janice, but the Australian electoral system allowed for some malaportionment (as it is called) in the past, and to some degree today. The idea was to give country voters a higher representation (often in Upper House seats). The same still holds in Western Australia, for example, but the margin is at most 20%. It used to be much higher. Another argument that was used is that it is harder for an elected representative to cover larger electorates with sparse populations, hence the allowance for a smaller representation within country electorates.
Bulldust: You may jest Janice, but the Australian electoral system allowed for some malaportionment (as it is called) in the past, and to some degree today.
We used to be able to do that here, through the process of using state senate seats to represent geographical areas, on the analogy of the federal senate. That went out the window in the 60’s when our Supreme Court, in its wisdom, decided that we had been wrong for a couple hundred years and imposed one-person-one vote on the state legislatures. See Reynalds v Simms
Well nuts, I did it again. Close after first paragraph.
Dear Bulldust,
Thanks for the good information. In Washington State, USA, the state legislature still has a bi-cameral, Senate-House of Representatives, make-up. Just as at the national level, the Wash. State Constitution protects the rights of the minority (to some degree) by giving each Senator (some from districts with substantially less population than in other districts) one vote. Thus, a bit of clout for the voice of reason… a bit… .
Enjoyed “talking” with you. Australia is a GREAT country (you’ll throw out those green kangaroos and the common sense you rugged individualists down there are known for will prevail!).
Take care,
Janice
And, yes, Juan Slayton, the state senates are no longer parallel bodies to the U.S. Senate, but, there is “a little” bit of the “one-vote” protection for minorities in low-population districts (just not at pure as it was pre-Reynolds). Thanks for that cite — and the teaching.
As I understand it, a carbon tax is all but a done deal in Oregon too – all behind closed doors of course, just waiting for our Governor to sign as soon as the legislative session opens – this being Kate Brown, who was appointed to office after John Kitzhaber was forced out due to the actions of his greenie/grifter (and MUCH younger) girlfriend, Cylvia Hayes – AND who promised ‘transparency’ to ‘restore trust’ in government, but who, instead, is simply finishing Kitzhaber’s agenda.
And trust me, I rail against this Carbon-phobic, pardoner’s tax to whoever’s willing to listen (or just in ear-shot) – which in Portland has me pretty much labeled as a soapbox looney.
Oh well, to thine own self be true… dissent against green isn’t illegal… YET.
How about 6. Punishment for the guilty?
The “Five Stages of Grief” example you give is reminiscent of Nobel Prize scientist Irving Langmuir’s description of the “Five Steps of Pathological Science” as on both scales the present condition of AGW alarmists seems to weigh in at somewhere between #4 and #5:
The 5 Steps of Pathological Science
1. A causative agent of barely detectable intensity produces the maximum effect that is observed, and the magnitude of the effect is substantially independent of the intensity of the cause.
2. The effect is of a magnitude that remains close to the limit of detectability, or many measurements are necessary because of the extremely low statistical significance of the results.
3. Theories outside the field’s paradigm are suggested.
4. Criticisms are met by ad hoc excuses thought up on the spur of the moment.
5. The ratio of supporters to critics rises and then falls gradually to oblivion.
World to end. Women, Children and Minorities hardest hit.
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I agree, “mental and social disorders will rise steeply”, but only among the greens. The young, elderly, and the poor that haven’t been infected by the AGW mental disease will be normal as ever.
There is a difference between having legitimate concerns about the environment and those concerns being hijacked by greens/socialist/communist. Being green is a social disease. Some people are giving Kermit a bad name.
No other economic model has done so much for so many as the capitalist system of free enterprise. Communism in all its forms is a sworn enemy of the capitalist system. CAGW has attempted to subvert democracy by various claims of impending doom and that only a different (not so different) type government will address those claims.
Note that nothing CAGW had predicted has happened. Weather related disasters have happened and will continue to happen. Putting the adjective, ” the worst ever” doesn’t make it so. The new housing development that was built in the path of a hail track that comes off the mountain doesn’t make the storm something different when it damages houses.
I would go a step further. Capitalism is the only economic system that has benefited people. All other forms have resulted in harm.
Regular people have tuned this out long ago. It’s only the NPR types who so easily believe arguments from the “authority” of all the dot-orgs. out there who generate the biased content.
In a leading green city, 20% on New York City is currently mental already, so there may not be much of a gain.
At least one in five adult New Yorkers suffer from depression, substance abuse, suicidal thoughts or other psychological disorders every year, according to a report released on Thursday ahead of Mayor Bill de Blaiso’s new mental-health initiative.
In August, de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, told Crain’s New York that the mayor’s office would devote $386 million to mental health over the next three years.
McCray, who worked for five years as a spokeswoman for Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn before de Blasio was elected, has been the leading advocate in his administration for mental health awareness.
McCray has been open about how mental health issues have touched her own family. She has discussed her parents’ struggles with depression and the past substance abuse of her daughter, Chiara.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-mentalhealth-idUSKCN0T12OO20151112
Leading advocate with a financial stake = Follow the Money.
They’re not just after the kids for Climate Change. There’s a whole agenda out there: http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/
We need to watch for “Climate Change Denial Disorder” being listed in the next edition of the DSM. Seriously.
And the acronym for that would be CCDD.
So close … 🙂
Would that be a soft ‘C’ or a hard ‘C’ when attempting to pronounce this initialism as an acronym?
Optimistic Closure Disorder.
Say it cost a minimum of $10,000 usd for each person at Paris by 40,000 attendees. That is $400 billion.
So 400 billion by 22 COPs. That is $8.8 trillion. Even at 1/4th that is $2.2trillion.
No wonder they think $100 billion from rich countries is chicken feed. It is the NGO’s and politicians and bureaucrats that want this to continue. Has nothing to do with science.
Guess that is where the depression and acceptance come in, if the party is ending.
If they stopped having their giant parties, then they could have solved a lot of energy and water problems.
Yeah, moved that decimal point a couple places to the right – didn’t ya. Still, point taken. But please don’t use warmunist tactics. Don’t exaggerate.
It’s unbelievable how many pointless, worthless jibberish filled “conferences” there are these days. Seems to be one of the few growth industries left.
The main reason why there are so many conferences is that there is too little REAL work left for people to do. That would be due almost 100% to the labor saving effects of the use of fossil fuels. In their absence, we`d all be too busy chopping wood, planting corn and trying to scratch out a meagre living to have any time left for conferences. So ironically, the use of fossil fuels has in a perverse way stimulated the creation of conferences to find ways to eliminate their use.
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Good point Trebla. I will bet there wouldn’t be many movie and TV stars either. Not much time or money for people to waste on the theater. At least we wouldn’t have to hear the hollywood elite whining about everything
Maybe I’m just being optimistic, but given the rate that animation has improved over the last few decades, I’m predicting that within 20 years animation will reach the point where it can’t be distinguished from live action, and voice generation will also be indistinguishable from a live actor.
When that happens, actors will become superfluous. Yea.
Trebla,
are you saying: “for every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction” ? (Isaac Newton I think).
So now the public’s fear of “Global Warming” is a psychosomatic illness?
When was it otherwise?
(The good news is that most of the voters have recovered. That’s bad news for some of the politicians. Time to introduce a new psychosis?)
As a mental health counselor who does grief/bereavement groups I can say that fatalistic fantasies about the End of Days have nothing to do with legitimate grief, and everything to do with the attitude that says, “I’d rather die and see everyone else die with me than be wrong about man made global warming.” Genuine grief, when fully grieved, will eventually lead to an acceptance that allows surviving loved ones to move on despite their loss. That’s not what CAGW proponents are about. They have no intention of moving on, they would rather dream of drowning in a sea of told-you-so schadenfreude than discover that the Earth is fine, that natural cycles rule, that CO2’s effect on temperature is weak compared to what Earth does to itself on its own, and that humanity will manage whatever gets thrown at us, one way or another. That thought is still too much for them and they can’t really think it yet. Which means that of those five stages, they’re still in denial.
I’ve sometimes wondered if climate fanaticism is a crutch for people who don’t want to face and deal with their personal problems; “There is no point trying to fix my life, because the world is about to end”. This would explain some of the anger, when people challenge that personal excuse for inaction.
Yes , there is a strong, negative correlation between wanting to “Save the Planet’ and wanting to help your neighbors.
I also wonder; is it a form of the Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome?
If climate change fanaticism was just used as a crutch by most of us in jobs of medium or low political significance it would not really be more than a personal problem. However it is increasingly being used by people in major positions in government agencies, media , and government itself .
The hardest job in the world is surely that of President of the US , a nation looked to ( and justifiably so by past success) by most of the world for leadership in security , innovation , and general wealth creation. A tough job and most incumbents must have wondered if they could cope. Some clearly tried , with varying success, to grow in stature to match the job, eg Carter and Reagan , others did not have to try so hard , eg Kennedy,Clinton or Eisenhower .
But unfortunately Obama , basically a decent and intelligent man, found a different solution , which is to shrink the presidency to fit his capabilities. The method for doing that is of course to declare climate change as the greatest problem in his presidency , rather than Islamic terrorism , imperial ambitions of China and Russia, the expanding drug production in S America , etc. Those problems are beyond his abilities to confront ( and would defeat all of us to be fair ) but tackling climate change as the cause of these problems means that he can slope off the problems of the world onto the shoulders of the UN and IPCC and all the hungry jackals of the financial world and its lawyers and associated politicians .
Leonard, make that “and wanting to control their neighbors”.
mikewaite: Carter grew while in office? I see no evidence to support such a conclusion.
Kennedy and Clinton didn’t have to grow? Say what? The only thing of merit that Kennedy did was get killed.
As for Clinton, his only accomplishment while in office was banging the interns.
I see no evidence to support your belief that Obama is basically decent. He’s a thin skinned narcissist who despises anyone who disagrees with him and has done more to split the country along ideological lines than any politician who came before. He’s the first president who never had any intention of being the president of all the people.
Eric, I think your are on to something. I believe there is some sort of underlying dynamic that allows the person to think they are “normal” if they follow a belief that the other people, who really don’t understand how it is, are messed up for not believing as they do. I think the same thing is going on with individuals in Greenpeace, Sierra Club, WWF, HSUS, etc. I think you can see evidence of it in the people who believe wolves are some sort of magical creature living a perfect life in the forest. The belief divorces themselves from the reality of their human nature or at least gives them a non-human fantasy. The non-human part is the key. I think there is a Ph.D. in there for someone.
Steve: Like that guy who went into the woods to commune with bears, and ended up being eaten by one.
MarkW – That’s the problem with communing with nature. Despite what so many Greens think, nature isn’t the least bit Communist. Even with the plants it’s me and mine first and you if there’s anything left over we can’t use. The only way to truly be a part of it is to get down in the mud and dig out a patch just like any other animal. Try doing that without any of mankind’s technological benefits and you get reminded pretty quick that in nature we’re just an ill equipped monkey from a tropical savanna. It was only our minds that made us adaptable.
Welcome to the Jungle, Humanity. It was never as far away as you believed.
You have perfectly described the monstrous pride of a member of a cult.
One prime example: Christian Scientists.
They would rather let their child die than admit Christian “Science” is wrong.
{Note: “In Great Britain and Canada, countries with no ambiguous{ly written} religious-exemption laws, Christian Scientists {must} provide their children with medical care.”}
One of the key warning signs that one is dealing with a cult is:
(Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm )
By condemning millions of people to energy poverty (and without fossil fuels, they will, quite literally, starve in many cases) AGWers exalt their conjecture over human life.
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I think we should consider it highly encouraging that the main driver of AGW is: money.
(yes, the Envirostalinists also want power, but they are secondary drivers, for they would be NOTHING without the primary, underlying, funding (thus, power) of the greed-motivated Enviroprofiteers)
When the money isn’t there AGW, Inc. will wither and blow away …. only a distant memory muttered by the wind rattling through the rusty blades of the ancient windmills of the 21st century.
The “true believers,” are out there, but, thank the Lord, they are only tools.
Janice-
Unfortunately, what you wrote about the Christian Scientist woman who let her son die applies still in Canada. A first-nations (= “Indian”) person (mother, I believe) took her leukemia-suffering daughter to a quack in Florida who claimed to be able to cure cancer. Whereas the treatment of childhood leukemia has become standardized and has a 95% (I believe!!) cure rate, the child was given over to this quack and died. The authorities here did nothing since first-nations health care is off-limits to Western-trained doctors, even though the quack’s methods had no first-nation background.
Ian M
Oh, Ian (1:48pm).
That is so sad. It brings up the fact that not all cults are alike. While Christian Scientists tend to manifest a hardened criminal’s calloused indifference to suffering (see above posted Atlantic article), many (most? all??) cult members are low-intelligence or gullible victims.
While Christian Scientists manifest a tendency to calloused indifference to suffering (see above Atlantic article I posted), not all cults are alike. Hm… thinking aloud, here…. And yet. And yet why would any mentally healthy (not ALL such cult members are brain-impaired/”mentally ill”) mother essentially kill her child. I think there IS, for many (most? All???) at base, a stubborn, “I’m right. I simply know better than all of you who have tried to persuade me that I am wrong. I refuse to listen to you.” That is not a humble, teachable, spirit. That is: pride. And…. thinking a bit further…. Pride that irrational is: neurotic (credit to Richard Lindzen and Chris Hanley is due!)
As has been said before on WUWT, these AGW cult members are not the key targets for ridding society of the Enviroprofiteers. Rational argument against the conjecture that controls them will not work with them. They are not open to being educated. They can only be ignored and marginalized while we do our best to pass laws based on valid science.
Janice
I apologize for the repetition above – WUWT quit working at least 4 times as I tried to post this and my pasting of what I attempted to duplicate in Word went awry.
Also, thank you for sharing, Ian.
Bam! Well said! Bravo! +1
Notanist,
Thanks doc, that was a great post. And timely.
“As a mental health counselor who does grief/bereavement groups I can say … They have no intention of moving on, they would rather dream of drowning in a sea of told-you-so schadenfreude than discover that the Earth is fine, …”
What a wonderful phrase. 🙂
And I know people like that! They have something wrong with them but I am not qualified to say. All I can say is what we said in the hills of my home … “That boy ain’t right!”
~ Mark
The point of a conference is to have time away from your family and either screw your secretary, P.A. or some colleague (in many cases).
None of those people actually felt that way themselves- the grief thing.
Most people in the world are concerned with food, safety, roof over the head and some extra spending money.
Most people could give ‘a rat’s arse’ about anyone else. They are only interested in themselves, family, clan or tribe.
Mother Teresa as interested in what god thought of her. She probably didn’t really care that much about the poor (stuff I’ve read somewhere). Absolute bitch with a good publicist.
‘Mother Teresa as interested in what god thought of her. She probably didn’t really care that much about the poor (stuff I’ve read somewhere).’
Now this statement would have to be a true part of the grief process.
The problem is to fit it into a narrative that makes sense.
Alex,
You’re right about MT. She was a very nasty piece of work: http://www.examiner.com/article/mother-teresa-sadistic-religious-fanatic-guilty-of-medical-malpractice
Their activities in schools will be their undoing. The kids will live long enough to see that all of their predictions are crap. This will create a hug backlash. People remember such poppycock spouted by their teachers.
Future movies containing classroom scenes from the early 21st Century will caricature them with clips of teachers spouting CAGW propaganda to the little wide-eyed skulls full of mush.
I just want to live long enough to be part of the movie cult that mocks Al gore’s cinematic gems of sci-fi psychic revelation. Working on my costume already.
Kids today are FAR more media-savvy than we were at similar ages, and already know how to use the Web to perform their own fact-checking. They are also one of the most scientifically literate demographics so I don’t see this propaganda having much traction with them in the future–all the hand-wringing aside, the facts speak for themselves.
Goldrider, you are assuming that they are taught to check the facts and are not indoctrinated into ignoring them.
Nasty weather is natural. It is happening someplace all the time and always has. Vivid graphics on TV make it look ominous and omnipresent. Some mistakenly blame humans for it.
I suspect Bill nye is trying to ignite a “global meltdown” of the mental variety.
“… And finally, there are the numerous well meaning individuals who have allowed propagandists to convince them that in accepting the alarmist view of anthropogenic climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue. For them, their psychic welfare is at stake …”.
Richard Lindzen in 2009 was on to something there, it’s definitely a form of neurosis, it’s the one thing that gives meaning to their lives in the absence of say religion or a worthwhile career or fierce opposition to free markets (except in their own personal dealings) or golf.
While neurosis is, indeed, a likely contributing factor in AGW True Believer Phenomenon,
describes a religious experience, i.e., the AGW Cult tells its acolytes that it provides them with:
1. Enlightenment
(usually including a neo-pagan mystery about a “force” (sometimes called “the universe” and spoken of as if it were an intelligent, sometimes benevolent Being, which guides one’s life) or exalting the importance (Note: this is not a data-based assertion, it is pure philosophy) of “nature”)).
2. Holiness
(and lots of good deeds to do to prove it).
As Augustine of Hippo observed in the people of his day, (quoting from memory, here) “In every human soul there is a God-shaped vacuum.” People spend their entire lives either: 1) seeking to fill it with something; or 2) working very hard to deny such a vacuum exists.
Regardless of what the author of the following quote believed “true religion” to be, his quote describes AGW True Believer Phenomenon:
(or, as stated above, humanity will do its best to kill this natural craving — you are not likely to find many completely a-religious (in any sense of the term “religious,” neo-pagan or conventional) AGW True Believers; the a-religious are the Enviroprofiteer or Envirostalinist cynics using AGW to get money or power)
I have seen much evidence that leads me to essentially the same conclusions, Janice. There is a religious element to this “global village” meme, and there is a distinct Wizard of Oz sort of aspect in particular, that I feel lies behind it. .
Yes, JohnKnight, the concept of “community” (like “global village”) is another of those creepy pseudo-religious ideas. While I LOVE talking with people wherever I go, singing in a chorale, and socializing for fun, “community” means a whole lot more. I nearly started to describe it, but, lol, just look up the basic rules of any garden-variety commune and…. there you are. Creating inter-dependencies that do not simply arise naturally in the course of an average person’s life is the goal. To avoid being frowned upon, you must live in cramped, ugly (mustard yellow… split pea soup green…. brick red….), little houses jammed into a 3 acre plot…. shop only at the local produce food co-op, etc…, and RIDE YOUR BICYCLE EVERYWHERE (if you need a car, sign up for the share-mobile…), and on and on. I am not against such things, per se. I am against frightening (“save the planet — it’s the only one we’ve got!!!” — or, as you aptly pointed out, “Obey me! I am the great and terrible OZ!!! {{{ignite gasoline explosions}}}**), er, I mean, strongly urging people into such liberty-restricting “choices.”
Then, they take it into the workplace where everyone must come to a consensus on everything and every project is a group project and….. aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh (I always HATED “group projects” in school)!
It is easy to see the motive of the controllers (money or power).
Why, however, would anyone submit to such control unless it was their religion?
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**If you haven’t seen them lately, review the Wizard of Oz’s terrifying explosions — THAT was gasoline (I’ve seen it in real life, it looks EXACTLY like that when it explodes ….. don’t ask…… — not kerosene, GAS! — wow, very dangerous and I’m glad no special effects people were killed doing that movie!!)
From The Toronto Sun :
Two Ontario auditors general — Bonnie Lysyk and her predecessor, Jim McCarter — have spent years ripping apart Liberal claims of competence on the hydro file, relentlessly exposing their renewable energy schemes as a multi-billion-dollar train wreck.
Due to Liberal incompetence, hydro bills skyrocketed 70% between 2008 and 2014 alone, with no end in sight.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/29/wynnes-new-year-hydro-price-shock
The watermelons* state exactly why they are doing what they are doing. Here are their own words:
http://green-agenda.com
Example:
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
– Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment
[Translation: who cares about ‘science’, we ‘leaders’ are implementing Marxism/Collectivism no matter what!]
Same deal with the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS, you can understand their objectives exactly by simply listening what they say for the benefit of their own believers. Disinformation is fed to the West, so you have to go to their own statements – everything they are doing is because Mohammed was said to have done it or commanded it. Everything. [although they are behind the archeology that proves Mohammed as Islam portrays him is fictional; see “An Historical Critique of Islam’s Beginnings – Jay Smith” on YouTube for details – sorry for diverging off-topic, but I’m sure many readers will be interested in the related psychosis by Western ‘leadership’ of jihad-denial].
nb: many here know the term “watermelons”, but for those that don’t – watermelons are Green (enviro-mental) on the outside and Red (Statist Collectivist) on the inside 🙂
Denial and anger we see every day, in our politics. Bargaining we see with carbon emissions trading.
In the classic five stages of grief, bargaining is a stage where the patient is trying to make a deal, any deal, to avoid the inevitable. Once the patient understands that bargaining will have zero outcome on the the end result, they can move onto the next stage.
So I’d like to thank Bill Ny for identifying that carbon trading is a bargaining stage which will have zero outcome on the end result.
Really? I’d love to see a cite for that.
Maybe the conflict between their treasured beliefs and the actual science is causing cognitive dissonance.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/climate-depression-is-for-real-just-ask-a-scientist/
How’s that for a start?
They were able to find one depressed activist scientist and hypothesize the existence of many others.
This person is one of Michael Mann’s deluded (not Nobel Prize winning) fellow travellers. That’s pretty depressing.
Maybe she’s depressed because she realizes that her scientific credibility is shot once she becomes an activist. Maybe she’s depressed because we aren’t giving her proper obeissance, in which case she’s an arrogant git.
they all will get depressed when the gravy train stops maybe they will all join a paper bag on head union
Perhaps the guys below will continue volunteering material for further psychological research
I’d forgotten about those numpties
Thanks for the reminder 🙂
Yes this material is rather useful, I used it in the post linked below over at Judith Curry’s place, demonstrating that the climate Consensus is soaked in emotional bias. I also used and tabulated the long series of ‘how scientists feel’ letters, plus the many videos at morethanscientists.org . These powerfully emotive personal revelations are quite something, and the fact that they are so openly shared indicates a complete lack of self awareness about crossing the line of objectivity, which for most of these persons seems to have happened a long time ago; they are emotionally committed right up to their eyeballs and beyond. Many of their stated worries are way beyond anything even the IPCC is saying, for instance, and that is hardly a neutral organization itself.
http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/24/contradiction-on-emotional-bias-in-the-climate-domain/
P.S. the Scared Scientists site itself has disappeared now, but you can still find a mirror here:
http://cargocollective.com/scared_scientists
“Perhaps the guys below…”
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Ah, Jaakko. I do not need to ask if you did not intend to include the gals in the pic in your analysis, because your intent goes without saying.
I’ve heard similar words about town and in the press. It’s the latest cultural fad, the shift in paradigm, the blurring of the lines and borders. When reality can no longer be accurately described, when the ability to differentiate the good from the evil, when even the attempt to differentiate male from female becomes taboo, then mankind’s keepers will have an effortless path to our doors.
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You have a point Alan. I admit having pondered gender neutral individuals and even a species neutral green lanterns, but these §%&£$*s don’t display enough integrity and courage to qualify.
In some Americans’ vocabulary (mine, included), “guys” referring to mixed company is taken to mean “male and female alike.”
E.g., “Hey guys, when does this train leave?” spoken to a group of female and male commuters is perceived as gender-neutral.
Well, because I use the English language this way, everyone else should — lololoolol. #(:))
Good for you to acknowledge that some women under 60 feel denigrated/disrespected by the use of “man” to refer to “people.” And, good for you to be true to yourself. If you think it is best to call people “mankind,” do it. Freedom of speech still IS! 🙂
And I say, with regard to personality characteristics we are born with, some of which are typically called “feminine” or “masculine,” vive la difference!
Be you.
Janice Moore
December 30, 2015 at 10:27 am
In some Americans’ vocabulary (mine, included), “guys” referring to mixed company is taken to mean “male and female alike.”
E.g., “Hey guys, when does this train leave?” spoken to a group of female and male commuters is perceived as gender-neutral.
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More’s the pity.
Yes, indeed, Alan Robertson (12:27pm).
You make a good point. I was mainly describing what “is” as far as the useage of “guys,” for while I hear it as gender-neutral, it never sat right with me, so I rarely used it. Thanks to your comment, will be even more careful. Just as I do not use “man” to mean “man or woman,” neither will I use “guys” to mean “men and women.” A “guy” is a man. That use is still current. Thus, we make NO progress in equality of status in language (thus, thinking, for “error is never so difficult to be destroyed as when it has it root in language” (Jeremy Bentham)) by using “guys” to mean “men and women.” Sickening. Yes, yes, to ME, “sickening,” to you, no doubt, quite a reason to smirk.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT MY BLIND SPOT! <– happy, so wrote big and jolly.
#(:))
Happy New Year, Alan.
Your WUWT pal who is still praying… ;),
Janice
Janice, the farther south you travel, the less you hear “you guys” and instead hear “y’all”. Maybe the southerners have a non gendered version already?
Yes, indeed, Dawtgomis, they certainly do. 🙂
This silly Gloooobal Waaaaarming hoax will go down in history as the most expensive, elaborate and deceptive global scams in human history.
Historians will be flabbergasted how such an obvious scam could have been allowed to continue for as long as it did given the overwhelming empirical evidence that it was completely bogus.
CAGW was simply conconcuted by Leftist political hacks to enabke them to: steal more taxes, redistribute wealth on a global scale, attack free-market economies, enrich the political donor class, inflict $trillions of unneeded government regulations, expand political power and grow the size and scope of government.
Just 10 years ago, CAGW grant-grubbers were claiming 10C of catastrophic CO2 induced warming by 2100 was possible, now they’ve reduced it a “catastrophic” 1.5C by 2100… In another 5 years, it’ll be reduced to a “catastrophic” 0.5C by 2100, which, according to the physics, is about the correct number, but hardly “catastrophic”.
A few aggressively ignorant Leftist sycophants will continue to blindly believe whatever their Leftist handlers tell them to believe, but the vast majority of rational adults Hav already realized CAGW Is a complete scam.
CAGW has become a joke.
SAMURAI – The one positive outlook is that the historians will have all, including your post, these comments that 1.) it was a scam, 2) many realized it. 3) what the known reasons were for its continuation & 4) who propagated the scam.
Don’t be flabbergasted if you are one of the sources for these future historians. Hopefully the internet will still never forget.
This is nothing more than a Soviet-style (70s – 90s) political abuse of psychiatry. It is one further devious and monstrous method they try to use to marginalize the opposition. They use psycho-babble to patronize those who disagree with “the science”, by claiming that it is emotion, not intellect that keeps them from doing so. It is also just one more case of psychological projection on their part, since it is precisely emotion that they use as their stock-in-trade. Thus, the dire warnings of future widespread psychological problems and mental illness unless we act now.
Well those who develop depression, anxiety disorders, post traumatic stress disorders, substance abuse, or suicides, I imagine will not do so well. However Bill Nye’s implication that if we do not stop the climate from changing then we are dangerously more susceptible to these mental health issues, then Bill Nye is one despicable guy. He should not be allowed around children.
“Children, the poor, the elderly, and those with existing mental health disorders are especially vulnerable and will be hardest hit.”
Reminds me of a fake NYT headline I saw a few years ago:
“World comes to an end, women and children hit hardest”
Fear not for the kids. I recently thought I had better try to debrainwash my own 18 and 20 year olds but found to my huge amusement that they and their peers had already worked it out. They aren’t stupid. They do know the difference between someone instructing them about electron states in hydrogen atoms and hysterical ranting bullshit which they can observe the incorrectness of for themselves. To them it’s just another religion gig which some teachers buy into and, of course, that is precisely what it in fact is.
I pointed out some subtle propaganda BS in a recent news headline and asked my 20 yr. old son what he thought about it. He said, “I need to find out the facts and make up my own mind”.
All is well.
So Bill Nye has dusted off the “climate grief” report and conference and is dragging it out of the closet after nearly 7 years to throw into our faces once again. The recycling of a lot of this old stuff seems to be happening more and more these days, i.e. the polar bears, the rising oceans the melting glaciers, the tipping points, etc. etc. Don’t the alarmists have any new material to use to capture public opinion? The recycled stuff has grown pretty tedious. I predict Nye’s new show, Global Meltdown, will experience its own meltdown in the ratings in short order.
Does anyone actually know anyone besides Nye who has climate grief? In my own practice it seems that my clients are worried about everything BUT climate change. If there is an issue with grief, it is usually for the legitimate loss of a loved one or maybe a job. Climate Change never comes up.
It has been a quarter of a century since the alarmists began issuing their dire predictions. Does anyone know anyone who has been harmed by supposed global warming? Oh sure. People have been harmed, even killed, by floods, droughts, tornados and so on, but what percentage would have been harmed by these same things without global warming? Oh yeah, the same. If we’re going to resurrect climate grief, this time lets put it where it belongs, i.e. on the alarmists whose dreams of told-ya-so, global meltdown simply have never happened. The alarmists reading this may now break out their hankies.
This is not one of five stages of grieving it is the final stage of the five stages of THIEVING. 🙂
lol — yes.
To understand where they come up with this stuff, you must first examine the perspective from which all climastrologists view the world.
Ronald Ginzler’s heads up regarding the newly fabricated mental psychosis, ” Climate Change Denial Disorder” was frightening to me. The fact that the field of psychology has been in infected with global warming hysteria zealots is dire warning to all lucid thinkers and defenders of free speech. One way or another these green tyrants believe they will impose their will on all those who disagree.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, the inmates are running the asylum, The sad truth is the real psychosis is actually “Climate Change Acceptance Sydrome” or CCAS for short.
They would kill us if it were legal so instead they are now laying the groundwork for prefrontal lobotomies…
I haven’t heard that this one has made it into the DSM, but, believe me. Most people I know in mental health professions just laugh at nonsense like “Climate Change Denial Disorder.” Even if it had made it into the DSM, it wouldn’t be the first time a politically motivated bogus diagnosis showed up in there. Most serious professionals just reject this sort of thing.
In the Soviet Union, they had their pet psychologists declare that opposition to socialism was a mental disorder, and then used that definition to lock up without trial, anyone who opposed the government.
To make my first post clear, I was suggesting it could happen, as a worst case scenario, as DSM-listed disorders can be culturally driven. For instance, homosexuality used to be listed, but isn’t now. What was considered normal childhood behavior a hundred years ago is now called ADD or ADHD.
Aaron,
“One way or another these green tyrants believe they will impose their will on all those who disagree”.
I fear so . . especially when I see people speak of climate change acceptance, which I think actually includes both you and I, as psychosis. Do you deny that climate changes? I don’t, so seriously, stop using the Orwellian lingo, if you wish to resist the Orwellian agenda, I say.
There are reasons certain terms become mass media buzz words. Make a few more keystrokes, like ‘catastrophic human induced”, or ”carbon dioxide driven’, or the like, rather than help make me, and you, sound like ignoramuses . . please ; )
Forget carbon trading and Chinese coal powered electricity stations, if true this is something that has’t happen since Genghis Can time.
“Official Moscow has said that China has sent 5,000 of its elitist forces in the war zone to help Russia in the fight against the so-called Islamic State. On Sunday China approved the first anti-terrorism law that allows its military to participate in anti-terrorist missions.”
correction: Genghis Khan. Can of Can’t, Chinese said ‘yes we can’
And the Mongols sail, “Yes, we Khan!”.
said …
“…our gradual acceptance of the realities of global warming…” – I wonder if there will be a shift in stance by mainstream anti CO2 activists where they just quietly accept the reality of a constantly changing climate and spend the next few years blaming it on anyone who didn’t agree with their views. This will allow them to exit anti CO2 activism slowly without having to make a dramatic admission that they were way overboard with their views while still publicly bashing the groups they hate.
They’ll still have to acknowledge the fact that CO2 is helping grow food better when it’s colder and dryer decades from now.
If anyone is going through the 5 stages of grief it would be the cult of calamitous carbon, as their cherished ideology falls apart. This could keep psychiatrists very busy for quite some time. Of course, a name will need to be coined for this new form of mental illness, and there would be a corresponding boost to the pharmaceutical industry.
Climate is the system of weather systems. It has not changed, is not changing.
Growing up is challenging enough; trusted teacher authority figures telling kids that they have no future, because the world is about to end, cannot be helping the children in their charge, to safely navigate their path to well adjusted adulthood.
Heck, the “inevitable” disasters I grew up with — all propounded by my teachers and the press — make the CAGW predictions look like a piker.
Those disasters started in the hundreds of millions dead and took it up to billions.
Some have never recovered, I suppose, they’re still grieving. AGW was just the “next thing”. I made out okay (but, then, I was schooled in demographics by Herman Kahn).
“I’m glad that greens are starting to admit carbon trading is a complete waste of money and effort.”
Too bad you haven’t convinced the oil companies, they beg to differ: http://www.statoil.com/en/NewsAndMedia/News/2015/Downloads/Paying%20for%20Carbon%20letter.pdf
U.S. petroleum companies don’t need convincing — they already get it:
(emphases mine)
(Source: “Oil Majors Climate Call Exposes U.S. – Europe Rift on Carbon Pricing,” Reuters, June 3, 2015, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-oil-majors-idUSKBN0OJ19E20150603 )
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The market will have the final word. It is saying, “get out, NOW.” The bottom has basically dropped out. Ker-plunk. Vol. shares traded in this carbon market on 12/24/15: 0.
http://calcarbondash.org/
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In other words, nice try, Chris, but no one is buying your “argument.”
European banks also get it.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/31/eu-carbon-death-spiral-continues/