Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Arnold Schwarzenegger has received over 100,000 likes, for a Facebook post about the alleged benefits of renewables, which included a fantasy about people who choose petrol powered cars spending an hour with the car of their choice, locked in a sealed room with the engine running, without a gas mask.
From Arnold’s post;
I don’t give a **** if we agree about climate change.
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Renewable energy is great for the economy, and you don’t have to take my word for it. California has some of the most revolutionary environmental laws in the United States, we get 40% of our power from renewables, and we are 40% more energy efficient than the rest of the country. We were an early-adopter of a clean energy future.
Our economy has not suffered. In fact, our economy in California is growing faster than the U.S. economy. We lead the nation in manufacturing, agriculture, tourism, entertainment, high tech, biotech, and, of course, green tech.
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There are two doors. Behind Door Number One is a completely sealed room, with a regular, gasoline-fueled car. Behind Door Number Two is an identical, completely sealed room, with an electric car. Both engines are running full blast.
I want you to pick a door to open, and enter the room and shut the door behind you. You have to stay in the room you choose for one hour. You cannot turn off the engine. You do not get a gas mask.
I’m guessing you chose the Door Number Two, with the electric car, right? Door number one is a fatal choice – who would ever want to breathe those fumes?
Read more: https://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-schwarzenegger/i-dont-give-a-if-we-agree-about-climate-change/10153855713574658
Schwarzenegger is wrong about renewables being “great for the economy” – as WUWT reported back in May, the cost of energy in California is having a significant impact on jobs, and is contributing to decisions by many businesses to relocate to Texas. This has become such an issue, that Californian Democrats who represent poor, working class areas recently mutinied against Governor Brown’s efforts to introduce tougher CO2 emissions targets, and sided with Republicans to defeat the bill.
But its the fantasy about people being gassed which really bothers me. The green movement has a growing track record of utterly grotesque, even murderous fantasies, and hysterical calls for their opponents to be persecuted. It seems sad that someone of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s stature felt a need to add to this perversity.
Note from Anthony:
It appears the great musclehead mind has confused Carbon Monoxide, and Carbon Dioxide, something I’m no stranger to via threat from one of my own local nuts eco-activists, Sherri Quammen: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/22/letters-i-get-letters/
Ahnold and Sherri, they are both of the same caliber of thought.
Arnold didn’t get to where he is now because of his intelligence.
That’s a fact lost on most. Arnold is a “good looking guy”. That’s it. After watching his performances I’d agree he has talent.
Is he a person ready and able to take over control of California? Not it my opinion. But neither is Governor Moonbeam. These are our choices.
Why does that sour the stomach? And what about Governor Moonbeam?
It’s not in the cards. There is no “easy” way out of this mess. I surely wish there were, because I have no desire whatsoever to experience the inevitable consequence of indecision.
Arnold is a “good looking guy” !!!
Are you wearing beer goggles ??
Well, he WAS. Now he’s ‘distinguished looking’ ^¿^
I am slightly disturbed that someone from Austria, likes to think of gassing people because of their dissenting views! Where will it all end with attitudes like that? He needs to be careful unless somebody makes a similar analogy!
Here is an electric plane. How about Arnie put his money where is mouth is and start flying around in this:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/8C8E005F-59D4-43C1-81F71079A509366A.jpg
Now he’s ‘distinguished looking’ ^¿^
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A opposed to a philanderer that humped the maid?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/11/article-2578421-1C322BAD00000578-102_634x898.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NgBpiUimP-w
1 hydrogen powered and the remainder gas with numerous Hummers
Well, some of your fellow citizens voted for him. Perhaps folks should all ask whether being a gun-toting gym freak really qualifies you to be a thoughtful and high quality law maker??
Most Republicans who voted for him were hoping for another Reagan.
Much of america lives within the fantasy paradigm of Hollywood. Actors are natural leaders for these people. Were J W Boothe born in this age he would have had the opportunity to defeat the president at the polls rather than with a gun.
Probably not but then again he was running against a Democrat so big biceps make you more qualified than some Moonbeam type.
How about Arnie goes first? Lock himself in a room with his private jet with the engines running.
Because this sure looks like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It appears he wants to gas the rest of us, leaving himself free to fly around in his private jet, without having to be bothered with the “little people”. The “Ultimate” solution. Not the first Austrian to propose this.
http://www.privatejetcharter.co.uk/private-jet-blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/arnold1.jpg
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Hey, he called a motor and engine…..knows his stuff!!
40% and 40$? I’d love to see any verification of either number.
Arnold? Steroids! . 40% from renew’s and 40% more energy efficient? Well I guess when the power is off 40% of the time Arnold it just may to your steroid addled brain that you are more “efficient”. You yourself on the other aren’t part of the crowd that actually lives without power !
100,000 likes ? How many idiots are there ?
They voted early and often.
Arnold Weisenheimer…Proving P. T. Barnum correct
George
You asked: -100,000 likes ? How many idiots are there ?
Well, shedloads, obviously.
Given a world population of >7,300,000,000 (ish)
! maybe your answer is ~ 1% or > 1% . . . .
Maybe a bit higher, too . . . . . . . .
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Northern California get it’s power mostly from hydro electric dams, most of them owned by PG&E. It’s only Southern California that has to import coal power from other states.
But Arnie forgot that hydro is not a ‘Real Renewable’ so does not count. Got to be pure.
The renewable energy portfolio published by the state includes hydroelectric and geothermal ( http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/renewables/). I’m willing to bet biomass, wind and solar account for a small fraction of that mix.
40% and 40%. Sorry.
According to Wikipedia, California, as a percentage of total energy used, has only 20% renewable. As a percentage of total energy produced (they import some), generates only 30% from renewables.
Just wondering, does the “Arnold” speak “Austrian” ? Maybe gassing people that disagree is a natural tendency in that part of the world ?
Sorry, but he brought it up…
Cheers, KevinK
Kevin, in his case maybe, since he has spent much of his life outside of Austria. Your insinuation is low none the less and you should apologise to Austrians at large.
Streetcred said “you should apologise to Austrians at large”. Why, are the rest imprisoned ?
Meh! Is that 13 behind your name your age?
40%?? – more like 4% just sayin…
I think he is confusing installed name plate rating (“capacity”) and % of energy actually supplied. Assuming that after deducting broken, burning, derelict and badly located or disconnected windmills, the delivery is about 1/10th of nameplate. That brings the 40% and 4% into agreement.
If they get the same as the UK, then it is 5%. Yippie ding. The people who don’t know the difference between the rated capacity and actual output usually don’t know the difference between KW and KWH. Similarly the difference between form and substance escapes them. They see the windmill’s form and assume that is also its substance.
The glitter of pinwheels and mirrors like landscape bling.
An extension of tattooing and pierced body jewelry with gold teeth to look sophisticated.
[??? Unapproved. At least until I can figure this one out. .mod]
sorry, my reference was to Crispin’s comment about all form and no function. I call wind and solar devices ‘pinwheels and mirrors’ and find them similar in their aesthetic acceptance to cosmetic modifications of the human form.
It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that most imports pass through California from the Far East nor anything to do with Silicon Valley and Hollywood. (both of which are actively working to create a two tiered state of inequality…)
To clarify, the adoption of so-called ‘renewables’ as a tax write-off is right up their alley (Bill Gates et al) in their fairly open agenda to widen the class gap within the state of California which has the worst record of inequality:
https://www.google.com/search?q=california+inequality&gws_rd=ssl
Oh yes! Members of California’s Green Gentry. Stick all the wind turbines and solar panels in areas where poor Californians live.
@Barbara
Exactly,
And who ends up paying the taxes for those who fund these ‘green’ tax-write offs?
Us peasants.
newgeography, Oct.28, 2013
‘Fixing California: The Green Gentry’s Class Warfare’
“Primarily, the modern-day program of class warfare is carried out under the banner of green politics.”
http://www.newgeography.com/content/004013-fixing-california-the-green-gentry-s-class-warfare
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Schwartzenadulterer: “Hi, Maria? I can’t pick you up at the airport. The housekeeper and I are …. uh…..saving us about 40% on our electric bill by installing a windmill in the backyard. Aaand…. that makes our household 40% better than everyone else in the neighborhood.”
Maria: Oh. Okay. I guess I can buy that.
GO TO START (Repeat Until “Year” = 15; THEN End.)
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Well. Now we know. People who approve of committing adultery** also approve of murder. Meh, whatever. We’ve known THAT since David and Bathsheba (and no doubt long, long, before that).
**who ELSE would fraternize with that scumbag?
Tell this leftard numpce to go first – and to take a deep, deep breath! We don’t drive cars in containment rooms, ugly arnold! And if we were measuring his carbon footprint, he’d be the one with the biggest! Such a jerk doesn’t deserve free press.
Labeling Schwarzenegger a “leftard” is a real stretch. Arnold was a two term “Republican” governor of California. Arnold used the term “Girlie men” to characterize democrats in the state legislature of California who opposed his conservative state budget proposals.
All throughout his career, Schwarzenegger credited President Ronald Reagan as a personal inspiration. Schwarzenegger once stated, “I became a citizen of the United States when [Reagan] was president, and he is the first president I voted for as an American citizen. He inspired me and made me even prouder to be a new American.”
The “leftard” label is just plain fantasy.
I am truly disappointed with all this hate filled dialogue displayed here at WUWT. It’s really low class.
How did such a total moron get to be governor? He doesn’t seem to have a clue about about basic principles of math, economics, or science.
Arnold used the term “Girlie men”
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And this isn’t “hate filled”? Get off your high horse. Anyone that proposes we kill everyday citizens to solve problems, that uses homophobia to advance his own agenda, that person warrants criticism in the strongest possible terms.
Can anyone be certain that Arnold’s behavior is not the result of steroid abuse during his body building years? Reportedly he had admitted to using steroids. Where there is smoke there is fire.
Are you drunk? Arnold does not “propose” killing anyone.
The term “girlie men” is hate speech? LMAO. The term was coined in a series of Saturday Night Live comedy sketches in which Dana Carvey and Kevin Nealon played bodybuilders named Hans and Franz, large men with Austrian accents. Hans and Franz labeled their weak opponents “girlie men”. It was biting humor, not hate speech.
skepticgonewild,
People change, you know. Arnold’s motivation: he craves being liked. He is surrounded by phony Hollywood types who know how to manipulate people like him.
We see the result here…
Bruce Cobb:
To answer your question: Arnold got to be Governor because Gov. Gray Davis was booted out by the voters in the middle of his term. There were about 25 candidates to fill the vacancy, and except for the clown Cruz Bustamante, the others were unknowns.
Arnold used his star power like other politicians use incumbency and name recognition. He won pretty easily. And that is how California got a moron Governor.
Being a Republican is not proof that one is a conservative, especially in CA.
CA gets about 1/3rd of its electricity from other states.
Those states should pull the plug.
Our good host Anthony would probably disagree from a practical standpoint of keeping this blog running.
Our host is based in CA, but I don’t know where the blog itself is hosted.
Don’t think so. I just grin at the thought of the revenue earned by those states because of California’s weird and wonderful energy policies. 🙂
Gassing people with CO combined with Hansen’s Coal Trains of Death, chilling imagery.
We note here for historical interest that loading a school bus up with “defectives” and driving it around with the exhaust routed to the passenger compartment was a first attempt at the Final Solution.
The technique was discarded as wasteful of valuable motor fuel and a more economical source of a poison gas was sought.
I no longer doubt that there are people today who would load the opposition into the cattle cars.
If I used my 1992 Ford truck in that room I would be OK because the results of it’s last emissions test a month ago showed my truck had 0ppm of CO at idle. Aren’t catalytic converters wonderful. A member of my family was also confused about CO2 and CO. At Thanksgiving dinner I tried to correct his mistake but I don’t think I was entirely successful. When I look around me I seem to be the only person that paid any attention during science class.
Yes, I’ve read that it’s impossible now to commit suicide with modern car exhausts–the catalytic converters scrub all the CO.
I was trying to put down a rabbit last year. I got some advice from my family member who is a farmer. He told me that when he had to put down cats, he would put them in their carrying cage in a cardboard box attached to the tail pipe of his truck. The animal would just go to sleep from the CO1 in a very humane manner. When I tired it with my rabbit, it didn’t. After an hour it was totally fine and happy (other then the sickness which is why I was putting it down). My car had almost no CO1. I ended up having to spring $150 to have the vet do it, it a much less humane way (injection in a ‘scary’ clinic).
Arnalds theory would only work if the car actually used all the O2 in the room.
I’ll suggest that Arnold take a dose of his own medicine, and spend an hour in that room with the engine of his tank running.
Well, the guy is German you know. Final solution and all that.
Please don’t judge all Germans. I am half German and am NOT proud of that branch of the family. My Mom who was raised in Germany during the Hitler regime idolizes him, refuses to hear a bad word said against him and doesn’t understand why I don’t do the same.
Dear Jesus Didn’t Give up on Me,
“Fear not! For behold, I bring you good tidings … .” #(:))
There are MANY of us (I think it is most, but, I don’t have enough data, heh) on WUWT who distinguish Germans (and Japanese) per se from N@z1s and r@cist / Imperialist Japanese (past and present — in whatever country their ilk occupy). One of my best friends is a German woman. The only prejudice I have about Germans (at least I’m conscious of it!) is that they tend to take literally what is intended to be sarcastic humor. I like their earnestness, though. And I have positive prejudices, too: they make loyal friends; they try very hard to do a good job at whatever they are doing; and they love dogs and natural beauty and beautiful music.
Your heritage is a fine one: great music, great science, and … (ahem) not food in general (imo), but! great BAKED goods (smile) and more came to the world thanks to Germans.
And many of those great Germans were JEWS, I hasten to add (just for the benefit of all the anti-Sem1tes out there).
Glad you are here!
And I LIKE YOUR NAME — yes, indeed: where would millions of us be if Jesus had given up on us?
Merry Christmas!! (and Happy Hannukah — day 2 today) — and nobody cares about Kwanzaahahahah (that has NOTHING to do with being of African heritage btw — most African-Americans think Kwaaaanzuuuuh is ridiculous)!
Janice
P.S. Pipe up more often. Your anomalous family background (well, you know what I mean by “anomalous” I think?) give you a perspective on some issues which most of us do not have. Share!
#(:))
Re: piping up, JDGUOM: don’t sweat typos. A typo give you humility. 😉
The best German culture is what they put in the beer.
That’s what make them a real country…
http://vinylzart.com/shop/images/P/pi_1069.jpeg
Au contraire Janice (about Kwanzaa)
Kwanzaa is a version of the word Incwala which is the first fruits celebration held in SE Southern Africa including Swaziland where it is a huge deal. The nation gathers at Lobamba and dances with the royal family, which hosts it. No loafing around – everyone there participates, tens of thousands of them. Bring a straight stick with no knob on the end as it is essential to the dancing.
Incwala is a SiSwati word and the ‘c’ is a *click*. I cringe when I give this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland because it has so many errors – it can’t even get the head of the nation right (it says ‘king’ but in reality it is his mother the ‘Indlovukati’ (She-Elephant). Anyway…
It says, “…ncwala, the kingship dance held in December/January…” It is not a ‘kingship dance’. Don’t use the BBC for your information, I say, but anyway there it is – at least one link confirming that the ceremony, which was common to all Bantu peoples from Uganda down to South Africa did indeed exist and carries on ins some quarters. It is quite possible it can fall on Christmas day.
The ceremony thanks the Creator for the first of the new crop and the end of the most deprived period of food insecurity between October and December. The ceremony is held sometime between the third week of December and the first week of January, according to the moon, i.e. the timing is lunar. During this period the Ngwenyama (called the king in English) goes into seclusion for a month to retire from the world and follow the incantations of old. His father Sobhuza II had all these ceremonies documented in great detail in the 1930’s by an anthropologist in order that they not be lost.
Kwanzaa is probably spelled Kwanza in most transliterations, having a quite ordinary pronunciation: kwAn-zah. The addition of the click in Incwala or Ncwala is because of the adoption centuries ago of a number of sounds from the San people through marriage and mingling.
“Janice Moore
December 8, 2015 at 8:49 pm”
Germans, and the French, simply do not get British sarcasm or humour. We may have bad teeth and food…but at least we can have a good rid tickling laugh about it.
“Richard Keen
December 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm”
And as far as I know Germany has very VERY tough laws regarding beer making. And possibly sausage making too…but I am not a fan of German sausage. (And I am SURE it’s nothing like Ireland…trust me…I have made them there).
Germans, and the French, simply do not get British sarcasm or humour.
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Germany officially the world’s least funny country
“Now an international poll appears to reinforce the humourless national stereotype after concluding that Germany is the least funny country in the world.
More than 30,000 people in 15 countries were asked to rank the nations with the worst sense of humour and Germany came out on top.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8560815/Germany-officially-the-worlds-least-funny-country.html
To: Crispin in Waterloo (re: you at 11:32pm last night)
“… in SE Southern Africa including Swaziland {Kwanzaa} is a huge deal … .”
However, in the U.S., Kwanzaa is mostly just mocked. It has become P.C. in December to wish a “Happy this” and a “Happy that.” I guess you would have to grow up and live most of your life in the U.S. to get why we laugh about it.
To clarify my writing to make myself more clear to you and others:
“… {In the United States,} nobody cares about Kwanzaahahahah ({and whether you do or not} has NOTHING to do with being of African heritage {or not} btw — most African-Americans think Kwaaaanzuuuuh is ridiculous)!
Good for you to so valiantly defend all those who DO care fervently about Kwanzaa.
Sigh.
Arnold is not German. He was born in Austria.
So was you-know-who
Austrians speak German and historically, as part of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations, considered themselves to be Germans. But they were no longer a part of the German Confederation after the Austro-Prussian War of 1866.
noaaprogrammer says: Austrians speak German…
Das ist richtig. But, as KevinK hinted a while ago, our chief exec thinks they speak….
… Austrian!
He probably got that information from his secretary of state.
Wonder what they speak in Kyrsakhstan?
Kerry …Kyrsakhstan…
Hmmm… Having just completed a journey to Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan I can understand his slip of both lips.
Ja, Der “Big AH” was an Austrian. Regardless, this calls for a cartoon.
Jim, you are an idiot … there are many here of German and Austrian origin… do you say we all have that tendency? Eugenicists are not confined to Europe.
He’s Austrian, not German. I don’t think he’s stupid, he’s just a big opportunist!
I thought he was Austrian
Arnold is Austrian!
Similarly, perhaps Arnold should be forced to spend an hour in a room with the exhaust from a coal, oil, or gas fired generating plant, which is where most of his electricity comes from.
Or a nuke. Or tied to a windmill blade. Or at the focal point of a solar collector. Or going over Hoover Dam. Or in a geothermal hot spring. Or in a hamster cage.
Technically speaking if he was to follow the generation path he should go through the Hoover Dam not over it. 🙂 Much more painful. :-0
Matt…
Through the turbines! Damn, why didn’t I think of that?
Perhaps. But even if we had a tube from the exhaust that somehow removed just all CO, the CO2 would build up until the oxygen was reduced to 15% from 21% and the car would stop running. Humans cannot be too active in an atmosphere of 15% oxygen and huge amounts of CO2.
I hear that car’s cataclysmic convertors oxidize CO so well that you can’t die of carbon monoxide poisoning from them. From a tailpipe test on my car, the machine reported 0.0% CO, IIRC. While there could still be quite a bit of CO, it would get oxidized in the next trip through the engine and convertor.
However, death by lack of oxygen is just as fatal.
Typing on your “smart” phone, eh (smile), Ric? Don’t worry — you have written far too many brainy things for your phone to be able to sabotage your reputation for excellent thinking. My dumb phone tries to “help” me (thanks a lot, PHONE — not) all the time. Told someone to head up “Hey 101” {Hwy should be “hey” you know}…. almost (whew!) signed my name “James”… who knows what I’ve written that I DIDN’T catch … . People understand how catalytic convertors get “corrected” to cataclysmic. Say, that shows that you have used a LOT of sophisticated words on that phone! My phone after my basic messages would have turned “catalytic” into “Cathy.” There! Even your auto-corrections prove how brainy you are!
Death by carbon monoxide is exactly death by lack of oxygen. Painless, by the way.
Death by thermal runaway of the electric car batteries would be a different story.
Mike M – good point. Without cooling the motor would overheat and either seize (invalidating the experiment) or explode and take the batteries with it. It is very easy to set off a lithium ion battery with one piece of shrapnel.
People in cars in garages die from CO2 overload. They turn pink from the CO but the vast majority of the emissions are CO2 and water vapour.
You would die quicker in a sealed room full of Greens than in a sealed room with a car.
Obviously we should ban Greens.
I worked for a company called EDS here in Australia. It was taken over (Sold out to) Hewlett Packard in 2009. Many many people were made redundant. One guy, who is famed for devising the school zone speed signs for roads, sat in his car in the carpark and tried to unburden himself with the engine on. Of course medical staff were called and the building was in lockdown. He is “Ok” as far as I know.
I love the cataclysmic autocorrection.
@Crispin
That is absolutely false, people die of CO poisoning when running a car in a garage.
@Ric Werme
When O2 drops a little bit, it reduces the efficiency of the car increasing CO output beyond what the catalytic converter can deal with.
@ Mike McMillan
“Death by carbon monoxide is exactly death by lack of oxygen. ”
But by completely different mechanism. CO in the blood stream displaces oxygen in binding to blood cells. So CO is magnitudes of order more dangerous than CO2. But in nature, it reacts quickly so it does not build up. Unlike a garage.
Well, that’s when you play it smart and bring 50 or so pothos with you to scrub and oxygenate the air with. Pothos are great at that even with little to no direct sun lighting and I’m pretty positive the extra CO2 will make them grow nearly out of control.
So yeah, go ahead an send me into the chamber. I might start up an oxygen bar while I’m in there and walk out high:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_bar
the CO2 would build up until the oxygen was reduced to 15% from 21% and the car would stop running.
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cars and people both turn oxygen into CO2. so there is no difference is you are locked in a room with a car or not. unless there is a supply of air entering the room you will die. even if the car is electric.
The car engine requires a higher level of O2 to run than we do. The engine would stop and leave enough O2 to last a human a long time depending on the size of the room. The CO2 levels would be high and O2 levels low but as long as you didn’t exercise too intensely you should be able to last an hour.
Are you asserting that mans 4% contribution, will cause CO2 to jump from 0.04% to 6.0+%. I doubt would not be able to do that if we burnt all know sources at once.
If a small room is 100% air tight, and if a man or a car are in there long enough and are emitting CO2, then CO2 can climb to 6% or higher. After a while, the man is longer inhaling 0.04% CO2 but more like 4% CO2 and a slightly larger % going out.
someone picks door #2…..goes in and shuts the door
…and the car blows up
You’ve been watching too many Woody Allen movies, Lat.
What is it with Germanic people of a certain age and gassing people?
You can take the child of Third Reich out of the Third Reich, but you can’t take the Third Recih out of the child.
Come on. Let’s be fair about this. Austria was INVADED by NAZI Germany in 1938. You are way out of line and misinformed.
Arnold’s Dad was a Nazi, so gassing us just comes naturally to him.
You try and read your history better. The part about where the founder of the ruling party was from Austria, and how many Austrians gladly assisted with and supported the “unification” of Germany and Austria.
hunter,
The majority of Austrians were against unification with Germany. Chancellor Schuschnigg capitulated to Hit-ler to avoid the shedding of Austrian blood. They were no match for the Third Reich’s armies. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss]
By drawing a comparison between Hit-ler and Schwarzenegger, you are worse than the hate-mongering warmists who hurl the invective epithet “Den1er” at skeptics,
By drawing a comparison between Hit-ler and Schwarzenegger
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Arnie drew the comparison himself, by proposing a solution that involves gassing people. People that live in glass houses should not throw stones.
They may have been technically invaded, but the Germans were welcomed by a very sizeable fraction of the population.
Hunter,
Arnold was born in Austria. Austria was INVADED by the Third Reich in 1938. Please learn some history.
I see you nicely solved the moderation of “Naz1,” SKW. Just FYI for WUWT commenters in general, you can usually spell out the “bad” words using other symbols in parts or adding spaces and the like. Heh, one the mod-erator was so harried that he or she left up all THREE of my attempts to solve the riddle (only the third one made it up without first hitting the spam bin). So, there’s a thread (or two!) out there where I appear to have repeated {And AGAIN, I SAY… almost exactly the same thing the same thing} myself needlessly (eye roll). Just have to laugh.
Some dude with a funny moustache was also born in Austria, if I recall correctly. Perhaps Arnold should grow one?
Same place where Hitler was born, huh?
That paper hanger/painter was born in Austria.
What was that about learning history?
Pot – kettle.
“…Austria was INVADED…” Wasn’t it first subverted, then, responding to an invitation, occupied then annexed by Germany?
‘Please learn some history’, well said!
Crispin stated, “Wasn’t it first subverted, then, responding to an invitation, occupied then annexed by Germany?”
It was complicated. The Chancellor of Austria, Schuschnigg, was dead set against Germany annexing
Austria, and had set a date for a referendum to allow Austria to vote on whether to retain their independence. The Fuhrer sent in troops before that referendum could take place. (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/triumph/tr-austria.htm)
But the point I was trying to make is that it is unfair to vilify Schwarzenegger with comparisons to “you know who” from 30’s Germany.
“Joe Prins
December 8, 2015 at 9:06 pm”
He shaved it that way so that a gas mask would fit.
unfair to vilify Schwarzenegger with comparisons
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nothing unfair about pointing out similarities as a means of predicting behavior. for example: you are walking down a street late at night in a tough part of town. A little old lady steps into your path. Is she likely to be trying to rob you? What if instead of a little old lady it was three hard looking men that stepped into your path?
While our governments would call this profiling, and would somehow suggest that you cannot predict behavior from profiling, that it is somehow unfair, most anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that everyone uses profiling to predict behavior all the time.
Rogue (Gone Wild) Skeptic:
You (Dec, 8, 2041): “Arnold is not German. He was born in Austria.”
{http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/08/ugly-arnold-schwarzeneggers-gas-chamber-fantasy-for-skeptics/#comment-2091272}
You (Dec. 9, 0216): “… the point I was trying to make is that it is unfair to vilify Schwarzenegger with comparisons to “you know who” from 30’s Germany.
{http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/08/ugly-arnold-schwarzeneggers-gas-chamber-fantasy-for-skeptics/#comment-2091472}
History Lesson (from several commenters on this thread to YOU): H1tler is not “from 30’s Germany” — his native land is Austria.
THE POINT IS THE PARALLEL (an intriguing coincidence to most of us):
“Born in Austria in 1889, Adolf H1tler rose to power in German politics … .”
(Source: http://www.biography.com/people/adolf-h i .. tler-9340144)
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Why is Schwarzenadulterer’s reputation so important to you that you would spend so much time zealously defending him? That is what intrigues me at the moment… .
BTW…where are all the liberals…screaming their heads off
..because of the gas chamber reference
Bingo, apparently liberals are not really liberals anymore.
Liberals just right and wrong based solely on whether they benefit or not.
judge, not just.
And this is coming from someone who owns a Humvee and a tank.
Hey Arnold, you should be wary of talking and thinking like N.A.Z.I. !!!!
The California Energy Commission http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electricity/total_system_power.html says that “Renewables” (seventh row) form 20.1% of “California Power Mix” (rightmost column). “Large Hydro” (which apparently doesn’t count as “Renewable”) adds another 5.5%, making 25.6% renewable. It’s impressive, but it’s not 40%. Coal + natural gas come to 50.9%. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_California says “By 2020 California is required to obtain at least 33% of electricity from renewable sources other than large hydro.” so in 5 years he might be right. I note that California is one of the major oil refining states in the USA; did the famous actor mention that?
The business/eco-regulatory atmosphere in California is so anti-oil, anti-business and anti-capitalist that the majors have already largely pulled out, selling off the refineries and assets to smaller companies.
They can meet that 33% renewables target simply by redefining what ‘large hydro’ means. It takes a lot less effort that redefining what ‘peer review’ means.
What the Californian Drongo does not realize is that when you enter by door No.2 and switch on your electric car, someone else in another sealed room far away receives the fumes for generating your electric power (backing up for the idle wind-turbine, or night-time solar unit). It says something that this man was chosen to head California, from where there is now a mass exodus to Texas.
The Growth Hormone ( mistake my butt, he knew it would give him the 20-30 lbs he would not have without it, which launched his career) got to his head. Seriously.. same kind of short cut mentality he took with the drugs ( as someone who is drug free and would have won alot more 30 lbs heavier) leads to the same kind of juvenile conclusions you see in many of his actions. Short cuts are never smart cuts
You go Big Joe!!!
Your insightful comments (wx and philosophically, both) around around these parts have been scant of late…. and missed.
As you know, the Climate Fraudsters are at full throttle mil power right now. They need all the smart checks skeptics can throw at ’em.
I always sort of liked Arnold Schwarzenegger until about six months into his being first elected governor. He then revealed himself to be a less intelligent Jerry Brown. If Jerry Brown was Governor Moonbeam then Schwarzenegger was Governor Dumbbell.
California’s state motto should be “Party Till The Lights Go Out!” Look at the people the citizens keep electing at all levels of government. Talk about being suicidal!
Eugene WR Gallun
Arnie is simply a mindless RINO.
He smokes cigars and drives 12 cyclinder, multimillion dollar cars around Beverly Hills. He would never fit in at a a Greenie Weenie Cocktail Party, but he still hews the greenie dogma to stay “in” with mainstream HollyWood and his Ex’s family.
Jawohl, Ahnie is a CryptoCrat.
Arnie had to hew the line until he and Maria Shriver split.
Kleptocrat??? if so, I would agree.
Kleptocracies are phenomena of both the far left and the far right. What we are seeing now is convergent evolution of those two philosophies under the promise of wealth and power shifting that the Climate Change scam promises for both.
The common theme is Big Gov control and centralized power. Guys like Schwarzenegger and Obama , though from different sides of the political divide, have common ground in the lust for power and authority.
Damn, I read that as Greenie Weenie Cocktail Dress.
California ranks 17th in the latest year in the chart here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita
and 2012 is still lower than 2008. So negative “growth” over 4 years of “recovery”…
I’d not crow about those numbers…
Oddly, D.C. has over 3x the GDP/capita… I wonder why…
; sarc>
What’s Arnold smoking?? Look at those red eyes!
“Candy’s Dandy.
Liquor’s Quicker.
Pot is Not.”
We hoped that Arnold would be like Reagan. That turned out not to be the case and frankly I did not think it would. Reagan had many years of theory and practice as a Union Leader and Governor. Arnold just had the swagger and name recognition.
That Arnold doesn’t know much about science isn’t surprising.
Oh, hey, it’s another movie star pontificating on science!
No doubt all the lemmings will swoon.
Smooth move Arnold, coming up with a challenge that has, well, nothing to do with any issue relevant to the debate. Let’s try a better challenge, one that more closely resembles the reality of life.
o We’ll each be confined to our homes for one month, along with our entire immediate families
o Your household may only consume goods and services produced exclusively by renewable energy
o my household will only consume goods and services produced exclusively by fossil fuels
o whoever quits first has to apologize to the other for their obvious stupidity. In person. In the other person’s house.
I’m warning you though Arnie, not only will it be you and your family coming to my place to apologize in a matter of days, you’ll be naked, starving, you’ll stink to no end, and quite likely be diseased as well due to lack of clean water and sewer services. You’ll have to stand in the front yard to be hosed down before being allowed to enter. Your feet will hurt, a lot, because I live a long way away, and your stupid electric car ran out of juice not far from your home with no way to charge it again and you had to walk the rest of the way. If you made it at all.
Let’s just make it you and me Arnie, I don’t want to be responsible for any deaths in your family.
Too many of my friends on this blog seem to have allowed emotion to overcome intelligence. There’s a list of comments here that feed the memes of the Ungodly. Conan the Pygmy-Brained deserves our sarcasm and sturdily-worded rebuttals for his tissue of lies and misunderstandings about the economic and ecological effects of so-called renewables, but the Ad hom over his origins and marriage are a disgrace to these pages. Keep the high ground and argue the science and politics, people. BTW As a former NBC warfare instructor, I can assure you that military “gas” masks do not prevent CO , CO2 or NO from being inhaled, something else Arnie got wrong.
“Kevin Lohse
December 8, 2015 at 8:47 pm
BTW As a former NBC warfare instructor, I can assure you that military “gas” masks do not prevent CO , CO2 or NO from being inhaled, something else Arnie got wrong.”
Agreed. I was in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (REME) in the UK in the 80’s…and the “Noddy suit” as it was called was and mask would not last long in a real contaminated environment.
What exactly are you referring to?
point well taken…Another disturbing thing though is Arnold’s self description as a Republican. Only that wing of the party that has come to conflate corporatism with capitalism!
In America, the rules of evidence allow evidence of conviction for other crimes (or civil causes of action) IF those crimes or offenses involved dishonesty, e.g., a conviction for theft can be used to show a general propensity to l1e. Adultery is about the biggest l1e one can act out. Schartzenadulterer’s adultery is evidence of his general propensity to l1e which many (“deserves our sarcasm and sturdily-worded rebuttals for his tissue of lies …”) on this thread have asserted.
spot on. A morally dishonest person cannot be trusted. Cheats at body building, cheats on the wife. Big surprise, not.
Thanks, FerdBerple! 🙂
I’m tempted to invoke Godwin’s Law but I suspect everyone is already thinking the worst about this asshat.
So what you’re saying is that eventually, according to ‘Godwin’s Law’ that alarmists will walk in here and compare us to holocaust deniers….Makes sense since nobody wants to explore the history of innocent Germans being rendered into a liquid streams of fat a foot deep after an endless campaign of fire bombing by the Allies which nearly brought their cities to the surface temperatures of the Sun. Don’t get me wrong, I think all war is based upon mass ignorance but mass murdering the innocent of those who were mass murdered by their government is nothing less than revenge killing. It’s like me shooting your mother in the face who helped homeless children all her life because her husband was a mass murderer even though she was a victim of her husband herself.
Does it make it right?
No, not at all
Ah – I get it. This has all been a lead-in for his next move, “Exterminator”. Ha ha ha – we’ve been punked
So Arny is going to trade in his Hummers for a Prius or a Tessla? 🙂
Dead easy to beat- have a car with autoturnoff when idling- challenge easily passed. Some of those ultracompact modern cars would produce miniscule amounts of all gases when idling.
I guess ethanol is a renewable fuel, made from foodstuff (that’s great for the starving Africans) and Palmoil, which comes from Plantations in the Asia Pacific Region where they slash and burn Rainforest, which is the habitat of Urangutans, who will have no habitat left within 10 years which is great for California’s furry hearts. Go figure …
Is the second room going to be full of chopped up birds and bats?
fine, Arnold, you stand in the hangar with the Gulfstream running…
What does his analogy have to do with climate change?
And where will the power for the electric car be found?
Arnie 6hummers and a Porsche in the garage was a better barbarian than he was a governor but, now that some of the smoke has settled, I see that he wasn’t actually wanting us to choose the deadly CO2 room; he fully expected everyone to opt for the nice clean electric room…running full speed…full of…ozone…
Good point. Electric motors with brushes create ozone. According to NIOSH, at levels as low as 5 μmol/mol (is that equivalent to 5ppm?), ozone poses an Immediate Dangerous to Life and Health. Not sure if electric cars use brushless motors or not.
It’s not his fault, he’s an idiot.
To all at WUWT
I left this post at Arnies facebook.
‘I thought the Greenhouse theory of warming was due to CO2 emissions but Arnold’s car analogy suggests it is Carbon Monoxide that we have to worry about. So if 99 Mechanics or Car Doctors told you cars emit carbon monoxide due to incomplete combustion would you believe them? That is the thing that gets you if you are in a garage with the engine running. Carbon MONOXIDE not Dioxide.’
I need some instruction and no need to pull punches as part of learning is about correction of error and I intend to go back and further elaborate at the Facebook site but I want to be on solid ground.
The main point of my post was to get the 99 mechanics or Car Doctors analogy up their noses so is the Monoxide issue OK.
I know modern cars have catalytic converters that improve emissions very well.
Is this taking the dangerous Monoxide combining it with oxygen and unburned hydrocarbons to produce CO2 and H2O to create a less dangerous emission
Is the car still emitting monoxide or CO2 or H2O?
The emission level of the car versus a Submarine full of submariners.
Have I made a goose of myself over at Facebook?
Could I have a brief and simple lesson please. Not about being a Goose but the Car Situation and I should not do this but do I I get a Gold Star and Elephant Stamp for The 99 Car Doctor thingy?
In a modern engine that is warm and has plenty of O2 in its intake, very little CO is produced; most of the carbon is oxidized to CO2.
CO is immediately lethal at 6,000 ppm whereas 50,000 ppm CO2 is endurable for a while.
Also, of course, in a sealed room, the O2 is quickly depleted, which is directly bad for the human, but also results in the engine producing a higher proportion of CO. Without contriving a separate clean air supply for the engine, CO would get you first; probably, even with such a hose, it would, too.
Arnie assumes that we would avoid the gasoline engine room as a sensible choice. He is not advocating that we be herded into a lethal space.
Arnold is a lefty fool, wonderfull at spending other people’s money, all mouth and brawn, but seldome right.
Don’t be a girlie governor.
Arnold is a few bricks short of a load if he thinks CO2 contributes to respiratory illnesses. He’s apparently ignorant of all those green companies that went under on our dime. Apparently ignorant about ethanol and the climate accounting error. Apparently ignorant about ethanol’s special pollutant: ozone – which does contribute to respiratory illnesses. Need I go on? No, it’s not good for the environment, economy, or anyone’s health. And his little fantasy? He apparently needs to be reminded he’s not the “terminator”.
Good for the economy – riiiiight: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/30/as-many-as-fifty-obama-backed-green-energy-companies-bankrupt-or-troubled/
There used to be a contributor to the discussions here who , whenever the subject of the viability of renewables in California came up , would point out the astonishing recovery in California’s economy since the adoption of Green policies. Unfortunately I cannot recall the name so I cannot use the Search button to bring back his last comment , but he seemed adamant that well audited data justified Gov Brown’s policies that have completely reversed California’s recent economic decline.
What I’ve read is that through some non-standard accounting trick the state’s budget is now supposedly balanced.
I would be highly skeptical…like climate change, there are many factors that affect the economy – and I’m sure, like climate change, there are many results that get attributed to green policies that might be due to something else. It would be interesting to take a look at the data. 🙂
Australian writer loves Arnold’s “epic smackdown of the naysayers”:
8 Dec: BusinessInsider Australia: Simon Thomsen: ‘I don’t give a **** if we agree’: Arnold Schwarzenegger’s epic rant about climate change
Actor and former California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has long been a passionate advocate for alternative energy…
Overnight, The Terminator also took to Facebook with an epic smackdown of the naysayers titled “I don’t give a **** if we agree about climate change”…
Schwarzenegger’s critical point about the need for change is best summed up in one killer line about the fossil fuels industry: “I don’t want to be the last investor in Blockbuster as Netflix emerged.”…
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/i-dont-give-a-if-we-agree-arnold-schwarzeneggers-epic-rant-about-climate-change-2015-12
MSM also loved this fact-free Arnie moment:
9 Dec: Sydney Morning Herald: Paris UN Climate Conference 2015: Arnold Schwarzenegger urges switch to vegetarian diet
Now the body-builder turned-actor-turned-politician has urged people to turn vegetarian – at least part-time – to save the planet.
“Right now people, seven million people are dying every year,” he said at climate change talks in Paris. “That is alarming and everyone in government has the responsibility to protect the people.
“They have to do something about it.”…
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/paris-un-climate-conference-2015-arnold-schwarzenegger-urges-switch-to-vegetarian-diet-20151208-glivw3
funny thing is, Arnie is everything our CAGW-infested MSM usually loathes but, as he’s a BELIEVER, they now love him.
“…Now the body-builder turned-actor-turned-politician has urged people to turn vegetarian – at least part-time – to save the planet…”
“You hit like a vegetarian,” Arnold Schwarzenegger once told a hapless adversary — and yet now he, too, is urging people to give up meat. Talk about eating your words.
I find it almost hilarious to see my Green Leftist friends standing shoulder to shoulder with Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Pope!
So…Arnie is ultimately just another Hollywood liberal douche.
I wonder if Climate Change made him have a child with the maid. Maybe that works like terrorism.
Pope. Schwarzenegger, Prince Charles,…. I wonder why mainly rich people quote for the renewables.
WTF? Talk about faux outrage! I read the title and expected something quite a lot more outrageous than Arnie actually said.
Seriously, save the indignation for something worth sounding indignant about. Streuth!
+100
He was referring to a meme, and a well-known one. It’s a favorite tactic of theirs. Witness their fave “D”-word label, a particularly hateful reference. Stop being disingenuous. Or is it obtuse. Hard to tell sometimes.
Seriously. Head over to SkS. You’ll feel right at home.
We get the politicians that be deserve…
Do Obama, Hillary, Al Gore, et al drive SUVs ?
If he were honest he would include imagery of the unseen coal, natural gas, and nuke plants supplying electric energy to the industrial strength batteries in electric cars. Not a time for honesty on these issues though.
Are there really any electric cars out there whose engines would run “full-blast” for an hour ?
Are there any pure electric cars that would run for an hour with their engines going “full blast” ?
Bloody WordPress login….
In one of his TV interviews after he won Mr. Universe in 1979 or there about was rather “interesting”. But now, like all actors, he’s just following lines on a teleprompter. Remind you of anyone in power in DC?
A few facts for the Innumerator:
Wind Power is what warmists typically embrace – trillions of dollars have been squandered on worthless grid-connected wind power schemes that require life-of-project subsidies and drive up energy costs.
Some background on grid-connected wind power schemes:
The Capacity Factor of wind power is typically a bit over 20%, but that is NOT the relevant factor.
The real truth is told by the Substitution Capacity, which is dropping to as low as 4% in Germany – that is the amount of conventional generation that can be permanently retired when wind power is installed into the grid.
The E.ON Netz Wind Report 2005 is an informative document:
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wp-content/uploads/eonwindreport2005.pdf
(apparently no longer available from E.ON Netz website).
Figure 6 says Wind Power is too intermittent (and needs almost 100% spinning backup);
and
Figure 7 says it just gets worse and worse the more Wind Power you add to the grid (see Substitution Capacity dropping from 8% to 4%).
Same story applies to grid-connected Solar Power (both in the absence of a “Super-Battery”).
This was all obvious to us decades ago – we published similar conclusions in 2002.
Trillions of dollars have been wasted globally on green energy that is not green and produces little useful energy.
Regards to all, Allan
He was on t.v. yesterday telling us to eat less meat, to save the planet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35038053/arnold-schwarzenegger-stop-eating-meat-and-save-the-planet
Many of us can’t afford to eat meat more that once a week.
A Hollywood version of Donald Trump and just as ugly. He needs the same kind of foul publicity as Trump to compensate for his failed acting career.
I wonder if they use the same hairdresser?
Leave Donald Trump out of this.
Dear Arnold,
Before we allow you to try this idea, we need to lock you in a sealed room with all your fossil fuelled vehicles running full bore for an hour, no gas mask.
When you come out, let’s talk about if that was such a wonderful suggestion or not.
Nothing to worry about when politicians from Austria start talking about gassing people they disagree with. All in good fun, I’m sure.
I don’t agree with most of what Arnold stated, but Eric Worrall’s contention that this was some “gas chamber fantasy for skeptics” is just plain wrong. I do not see Arnold’s Facebook post as an hate filled “ugly diatribe” against skeptics. Where are his “murderous fantasies” or “hysterical calls” to torment skeptics? This does not rise in any way shape or form, to the hate seen for example in the “No Pressure” exploding children video, or for the calls for war crimes trials for “Dee-nigh-ers”.
We have better skeptical arguments against the “science” of AGW without resorting to phony outrage over some alleged hate-filled rant by Schwarzenegger. His Facebook post was an eye-roller, but Worrall is guilty of Olympic sized long jumping to conclusions in attempting to cast Schwarzenegger as a villain.
I would choose Door Number Two if it was economically feasible.
I think that we would be well served if the headlines allowed for specific facts like – 40% is actually….. Or the percentage of California electricity the comes from dirty coal for the electric car.
40% ?
And then there is reality:
http://content.caiso.com/green/renewrpt/DailyRenewablesWatch.pdf
13%
I suppose that it close enough for climate science.
may I remid you of even greater ugliuness posted and approved by moderators on this very blog:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/04/question-for-catlin-arctic-survey-what-happens-to-the-fuel-drums/#comment-126853
Daniel L. Taylor says: May 5, 2009 at 6:51 am
…Maybe I’m just a cold hearted SoB, but in my opinion they need to freeze to death on that ice. The world needs to see the headline “Global Warming scientists …
I’m sorry, but if the deaths of everyone on that ice survey team helps raise awareness of and opposition to the global warming political train wreck then so be it. It needs to happen
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And many more death wishes to the Catlin crew..
Arnie made a similar comment over two years ago; see this thread: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/15/the-wuwt-hot-sheet-for-thursday-august-15th-2013/
I suggest to the ex-governator two other rooms, both located in North Dakota. In one you have plenty of food, water, light and heat. In the other you have brown-outs in mid-winter, we can’t deliver food and water consistently and temperatures hover around 45 degrees with dips below freezing. I wonder which room he would chose?
Nuts! The less somebody knows of power generation and physics in general, the more he supports California’s “renewable energy”, and climatism in general. Unfortunately, too many smart and successful people in California know nothing of energy industry and physics.
BTW, California developed its economy mostly because it has good (i.e. warm) climate, which had attracted many wealthy people.
Hollywood was 100% all about no rain, warm weather and lots of sunshine making filming stuff tons easier.
Another interesting tidbit: Schwarzenegger became governor of California after his predecessor Gray Davis was recalled. Gray Davis was recalled because electricity blackouts!
The Austrian born former Governor is promoting the same final solution for climate skeptics that the most infamous man in history, also from Austria, promoted to end the problem of Jews, handicapped, gays, communists, dissidents and so many others.
Schwarzenegger’s NAZ1 father obviously had more influence than is generally recognized.
That Schwarzenegger’s disgusting call for mass murder of skeptics is widely supported speaks volumes about how evil the climate obsession is.
For those of you defending him, eff off.
hunter,
You are truly delusional. You might feel more at home with the SkS Kidz and their fascination with all things Third Reich. Don’t forget your tin foil hat!
Irony, thy name is “skepticgonewild”.
“For those of you defending him, eff off.”
Real classy, hunter. Such eloquent speech.
hunter,
Not many defending Arnie, here.
I see some encouraging you to hone your reading comprehension skills.
Read the head-post, read it again, say “sorry”, keep a civil tongue in your head or “eff off”.
What exactly is Arnold saying, that the 99% of people who drive autos powered by petrol are currently locking themselves in their garage revving the engine?
On a table is a piece of coal, on another table is a metal bar plugged into a wall outlet. Which would you pick up, the coal or the electrically charged metal bar? This may be surprising to Arnold but people who use electricity usually do not wet their fingers and stick them into wall sockets.
A better analogy is, you live in a frigid snowy climate, behind door number one you have consistent, reliable heat provided by fossil fuels or behind door number 2 you can freeze your ass off with intermittent heat provided by solar energy. I wonder which door Arnie would pick.
It’s such a wonky analogy he’s making. And I love that he got his carbon molecules confused … he should stick to what he’s good at, making movies.
This time without the link to enable posting:
Is this not a worse comment on this very blog (one of many about the Catlin expeditions with similar death wishes to the team). It was approved by AW and moderators so they obviously felt it was not over the top.
/2009/05/04/question-for-catlin-arctic-survey-what-happens-to-the-fuel-drums/#comment-126853
Daniel L. Taylor says: May 5, 2009 at 6:51 am
…Maybe I’m just a cold hearted SoB, but in my opinion they need to freeze to death on that ice. The world needs to see the headline “Global Warming scientists …
I’m sorry, but if the deaths of everyone on that ice survey team helps raise awareness of and opposition to the global warming political train wreck then so be it. It needs to happen.
Dear Arnold
The truth is the skeptics are the ones that are the realist, the ones adhering to scientific methods and they should be recognized as such. The alarmist, the promoters of man made global warming are the deniers. They deny the fact that all their models have gone bust. They deny the fact that the only reliable measure of the global temperature ( satellite data) has shown no warming for almost 20 years. They deny the benefits of CO2. They deny the fact that the oceans are not rising at an alarming rate and storms are not getting more frequent or more sever. In fact they deny everything that is true and exaggerate everything that gives them a glimmer of hope that their doomsday scenarios could happen.
Seeing as when you look at the facts its people like you Arnold that are the deniers you should enter your gas chamber first and you wont be back.
Hey Aaaanald, why don’t you walk the walk. Give all the money you made making carbon emitting destruction scenes in those fantasy movies to a renewable energy company. Then shut your CO2 emitting mouth.
Ah, yes–Arnold wins the Butt-Ugly Stupid Award.
What you expect from someone whose father was a member of the Nazis a Party in the 1930s
Anthony,
This article by Worrall and the hate-filled diatribes by a large component of WUWT posters, does not belong on WUWT.
I am embarrassed. This makes the hate-mongering displayed by SkS look like child’s play. I am a die hard skeptic to the core, but the response to this article is WAY over the top, to put it mildly.
Concern Troll much?
the hate-filled diatribes
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what you are seeing is ridicule, not hate.
I’d say someone threatening a scientifically-based group of stellar blow back artists is the hater, “skepticgonewild”… or should your screen name be changed to “RahRahArnold”?
I could always nominate you for an equivalent Butt-Ugly Stupid Award to go with the one I’ve already sent to Arnold.
Your choice.
And next up we have the Charlie Manson plan for climate fact checkers. Stay tuned
Yes there is a cadre here who do post some vicious stuff and they hate anyone who is ‘liberal’ in other ways who come here to support this site. This is toxic for WUWT and limits the reach of this site.
Please explain how this “limits the reach of this site”?
Are you suggesting other haters will hesitate to reference this thread because the vast majority here think Arnold is completely out of line?
Personally, I think he should be prosecuted for inciting criminal activity against a group of people that are trying to bring some sanity to the discussion.
Your thoughts, please.
“they hate anyone who is ‘liberal’ in other ways who come here to support this site”
No!
Wake up!
Not every person who sees himself as a liberal has these strange fantasies.
It’s the same old If nuclear fission is so safe why don’t you go without protection to the floors of the Fukushima Daiichi reactor buildings?
BTW, not all liberals are anti-energy anti-reliability anti-technology anti-nuclear anti-GMOs. See for example http://atomicinsights.com/
It’s impossible to read the Facebook post without a German accent, which does not help matters.
You would need to read it with an Austrian accent to be accurate. But no one seems to be concerned with accuracy, so what the hell.
Puffed-up Arnie said: “Renewable energy is great for the economy, and you don’t have to take my word for it”.
I think, for once we should heed his advice.
He’s never had much advice worth taking.
Does California “produce” 40% or use 40%.
Truly bizarre. You know, when I was a kid and there was no mainstream environmental movement, you sort of hoped people would get on board with protecting the planet. But now it’s become full-blown insanity. For Arnold to claim that California’s economy is booming, and all because of renewable energy is truly nutty. Step one would be to untangle all of the subsidies from those industries and see how they’re really doing. I don’t think these industries are, you know … sustainable.
want to know how hes going to run an electric car full blast stationary.
if he hooks it to dyno it prob won’t run an hour full blast.
I wonder if Arnold picked up a few bad habits and ideas from his late “Uncle Teddy” from Massachusetts.
Its all pretty rich coming from a guy who makes commercials for car insurance in the UK and who drives a Humvee and has other cars that include a Bentley Continental, Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, Porsche 911 Turbo and Dodge Challenger. Then there was the little matter of his commuter run from LA to Sacramento via private jet.
Another Hollywood Hypocrite
Arnie thinks the power supplying the electric car comes out of the fairy energy land
And where does the terminator think the electricity for his electrical vehicle comes from…somewhere there is a fossil fuel burning power station producing the electrons that go into his lead acid or lithium battery to recharge his Tesla or Volt or Leaf behind door number 2… what a dumb ass…sure he might die in the sealed room behind door number 1 but without fossil fuel his electrical vehicle ain’t going nowhere…
False test setup Arnie. Room 1 with the car running for eight hours: fine. But room 2 with the electric car should also house the ‘power station’ used to charge the battery overnight. I figure the exhaust from that can be more obnoxious.
He’s Austrian and an ignorant man, neither of which could bar you from becoming governor of California. However, breathing in exhaust fumes is an allegory he should be more careful about using.
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/the-real-bastards/
Pointman
The exhaust from a new car pretty is almost all CO2 and water vapor. In a sealed room with a modern car running you will not die of CO or other pollutant, but because of oxygen deprivation. You are more likely to die from the fumes from a charging battery in an electric car being charged and sealed in the same room.
I imagine Arnie’s appalled when ISIS preaches the same self-righteous sentiments: if you do not believe as I believe then you deserve to die.
What is this, idiot of the week? Lord knows we won’t run out of candidates, just in Hollywood alone! I’ll be back.
Arnold the Fool. I show power consumed by California in the year 2014 as follows :
total power produced in-state – 199,00 GWhrs, of which 22.5% was “renewables” meaning
solar (5.3%), wind(6.5%), geothermal (6.1%) and the remainder by biomass and small hydro.
Califonrnia imported 98,000 GWhrs from out-of-state providers, of which approximately
16% was from renewable sources. Arnold in all likelihood is quoting nameplate capacities
for renewables , especially for solar and wind, which is something renewable proponents
habitually do, and which is totally inappropriate and amounts to an enormous exaggeration
of renwable share. A windmill based on land, for example typically can average only 25 to 30%
of its nameplate capacity, and solar,even in a desert, typically averages 6 suns per day, which
amounts to 25% of its nameplate capacity. Large baseload power generators, which produce the most
power, typically run in the 90% range. Some nuclear plants habitually operate at over 100% nameplate
capacity.
His claim that California leads the way in low carbon power production is hopelessly inaccurate.
While California has a 50% low carbon production target well into the future, South Carolina, for
example currently produces over 60% of its power from its 7 nuclear plants, and two more will come
online within a year or so, upping the percentage to well over 80%, a figure that California will
never achieve thru renwables, at least not without a massive backup up system of pumped storage, etc.
California depends heavilly upon out-of-state power providers. If they have a 50% target, then that
is only for the 2/3rds of power they produce themselves – the power consumed by Californians will
actually be considerably less of the low carbon variety. California has made its money as the land
of imagination and BS. Its residents continue in this tradition.
And this is why I’m paying $0.35 per KW-hour.
What’s a climate skeptic? Who’s skeptical climate exists? Skeptics don’t gain anything by letting the *rauds dictate the terms of the debate.
Quote “Let’s put climate change aside for a minute. In fact, let’s assume you’re right.”. Interesting that he is by implication willing to concede the science, even if it is hypothetically. Also, the analogy is desperately flawed. To make it more real, we would need to include the output from the fossil-fuelled power station in the room with the electric car……
100000 likes on Facebook don’t tell anything without the dislike option
He’s a selfish egocentric POS.
He doesn’t give a crap about climate change agreement (as he said). He likes “renewables” because they are good for HIS economic well being. He conflates his economic well being with the well being of the remainder of the population and then somehow rationalizes that a less efficient system is good for the economy.
His past actions show what kind of a person he is … however entertaining, you can’t trust his judgment or intellect.
California is a backwardassed third world jerk water. Sorry Californians but it’s true. The problem with California is that it thinks it’s forward and the rest of country needs to “catch up”. There you go. How in the world does one argue with that “logic”?
And they keep asking us why we need guns.
Stop openly fantasizing about murdering us for, say, a generation and then we’ll have that conversation.
I think the headline “UGLY: Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Gas Chamber Fantasy for Climate Skeptics” is over the top and is the kind of hyperbole used by the opposition. While what he says is complete bullshit as normal, his comments here can hardly be construed as him wanting to gas skeptics. He appears to be merely saying, given the hypothetical choice, which would you choose. I think skeptics would be better off leaving the hyperbolic hysteria to the alarmists.
And we have the hypothetical choice of rejecting his hyperbolic hysteria, since he’s the one that started it. Besides, his is not an isolated case–the death penalty seems to be a favorite threat employed by those seeking to gain and maintain control using, of all things, the “gas of life”.
Look, these people don’t live in a civilized world, otherwise what you suggest might work but it hasn’t so far.
They start gassing or shooting or electrocuting skeptics and there will be hell to pay.
They might as well be told before they start doing it.
Ironically, oil is the only green source of energy, and it is even a basic nutrient in some ecosystems.
Well, as long as we have jumped the German socialist metaphors, let’s conclude with sequestration of all carbon-based lifeforms that believe in the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming prophecy. Lead by example.
“Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Gas Chamber Fantasy for Climate Skeptics”
Poor sad climatephobes. Their climate models have failed, there has been no global warming for over 18 years and they have no credible science. This is what they have degenerated to.
Arnold is desperate to revive his career in Hollywood so it not surprising to see him exploiting the biggest point of paranoia that exists in the closed world in which he lives. What he’s actually going to do is alienate the people that once actually liked him while sucking up to these Hollywood elites. Oh well, his father was a Nazi, and he’s expressed admiration for Hitler, so I guess he’s got a lot in common with the eco-fascists and their tactics. He was a disaster as Governor, and a low-life as a man and a husband. So enjoy the bed you’ve made, Arnold, because you deserve your fall from grace. I could not possibly respect you less.
Arnold is desperate to revive his floundering career, so it’s not unexpected to see him exploiting the biggest point of paranoia that exists within his closed environment. What he’s actually going to do is alienate the people who once actually liked him as he’s sucking up to these Hollywood elites. Oh well, his father was a Nazi, so it’s not surprising that he has so much in common with the eco-fascists and their tactics. He was a disaster as a governor, and a low-life as a husband and as a man. So Arnold, enjoy the bed you’ve made, because you deserve your fall from grace. I could not possibly respect you less.
Interesting comments coming from a man who injected steroids for many years. That’s way worse than breathing CO2. Oh wait…humans have always breathed CO2. Plants too.
Please take a moment next time this comes up at a cocktail party to explain to people that CO2 is not at all pollution, regardless, or irregardless, of what the EPA says.
I’m usually on the same page with you and yours on this blog, Anthony, but in this case Worrall gets it wrong. Schwarzenegger makes it clear that he cares not for either side in the great climate debate. The point he’s making concerns, first, pollution — the old fashioned kind, NOT the carbon kind – and second, the importance of developing renewable energy, regardless of how anyone might feel about the climate, one way or the other.
His argument makes sense because even if CO2 emissions are not a concern, we will one day run out of fossil fuels and when that time comes, the only alternative will be renewables. The comparison he makes with the two cars in the two garages has to do with the usual sort of pollution generated by internal combustion engines, NOT CO2 “pollution,” which he never mentions. The comparison is apt, because cars that run on gas DO emit harmful pollutants, no question, while electrics do not. It’s a simple, reasonable argument and it amazes me that no one commenting here seems to get it. I see a lot of paranoia on both sides of this argument and at this point I don’t know where to turn.
You’re missing the point. He’s pointing out obvious pollution issues under the banner of Climate Change – with the deliberate effort to let the public confuse the two. Another common propaganda trick, frequently used by climate alarmists – state an obvious fact that no reasonable person would argue with, but not relevant to the topic of climate change – which is the whole point of this manipulative display. It’s called the bait and switch. It’s also a cheap (and phony) way of claiming the moral high ground while avoiding getting caught in an outright lie.
He says he doesn’t care, but tries to guilt you into man made climate change any ways! These climate activists are just plain liars, and of course debate dishonestly.
It’s only bad when the “extreme right” say that:
=> 3 months of prison (suspended) + 10000 € sentence for “pour contestation de crime contre l’humanité” (for disputing a “crime against humanity”)
Source: http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2013/06/19/le-pen-definitivement-condamne-pour-ses-propos-sur-l-occupation_912149
The pro-palestinian extreme left can do it:
Stéphane Hessel
=> It was suggested after his death that his body would be transferred to the Panthéon.
Source: http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/chronique/2011/03/16/hessel-et-petain-ou-la-lecon-d-histoire_1492034_3232.html
(But then we know the French Justice is captured by the extreme left.)
Several years ago I saw something about Arnold. It included an interview where he said what he goals were when he came to the US.
1. Win the Mr. Universe contest.
2. Marry a Kennedy.
3. Become President of the US.
I guess achieving 1 1/2 ain’t bad. 😎
The terminator is terminally stupid. According to the state website, 32% of its electricity is imported from WA, OR and the 4-corners area. Another 52% is imported in the form of other peoples’ natural gas, 10% is “domestic” hydro, 3% local nuke. That leaves 3% for solar, wind and geothermal.
Reblogged this on pattikellar and commented:
Now this is just plain funny.
“Note from Anthony:
It appears the great musclehead mind has confused Carbon Monoxide, and Carbon Dioxide, something I’m no stranger to via threat from one of my own local nuts eco-activists, Sherri Quammen: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/22/letters-i-get-letters/
Ahnold and Sherri, they are both of the same caliber of thought.”
Gergen der Dumheit kampfen die Gotten selbst vergebens. I probably got that wrong, but it accurately expresses the futility of actually dismantling Arnold’s abortion of logic here.
Stupidity has reached critical mass in this country and the bureaucrats mistakenly believe they can manage a welfare state of micro-regulated populace with an ever shrinking ratio of productive to unproductive citizens. If that weren’t enough, they’re perpetually insistent that we import more ignorance for the sheer purpose of maintaining a large enough voting block.
I guess we’ll never know the answer to WWATD ?
(What Would A Terminator Do).
Maybe there will be a sequel.
I think Arnold confused himself with the AH nazi guy.
Schwarznegger shouldn’t make fun of gas chambers because the Austrians are just as culpable as the Germans of gassing millions of Jews!
CA gets 40% of it’s power from renewables?
I do believe Arny is off by an order of magnitude.
What a childish, naive metaphor. A garage vs the entire planet? Mixing apples and asteroids? Doesn’t work, for me. Another rich person telling us poor folk how to live, think and vote? Nope!
And as usual, the science is utterly broken in what he proposes anyway. Why? Because carbon monoxide kills you within an hour. So the carbon dioxide isn’t even the villain in his silly anecdote.
A technicality caution – while the CO in exhaust of a typical engine would get you first, a very high proportion of CO2 would stop lung function (even before displacement of oxygen by CO2 would.
It’s amazing how types like Schwarzenegger “get religion” on Chicken Little ideas and keep on trying harder instead of thinking.
Oh, right, that’s the person who was elected governor on a promise to straighten out the finances of California but didn’t? Full of hot air I’d say.
Heil Hitler!
And David Suzuki compares oilsands people to slave traders: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/its-a-moral-issue-david-suzuki-compares-oilsands-defenders-to-slave-traders.
You have to understand that he’s a neo-Marxist to begin to grasp why he would say that. (Marxism and its Post-Modernist derivative uses a complicated theory of power, does not have a clue about individual rights, and values contradictions , thinks that words make reality.
Unfortunately others listen to the horsefeathers – a former premier of B.C., who I refer to as Gordo, got his climate alarmist views in substantial part from Schwarzenegger (and from a perfessor who buttonholed him at a reception one day). Gordo proved to be incompetent in finances as well, having presided over a major error in forecasting income tax revenue then implementing a combined federal-provincial sales tax that his regime had at least strongly inferred they had no interest in. (Sadly, the integrated approach is better as more efficient for businesses to administer, but voters were so ticked off they forced a referendum that reversed the decision.)
Gordo’s successor as premier, Ms. PPCC I call her, likely got her climate alarmist beliefs from her religion – the Anglican offshoot of the Catholic church, both quite alarmist these days. (Very similar churches of course, similar rituals.)
Who started the planet onto owning Gas Guzzling Hummers? Maybe he should have thought of that when he just had to own one making them so popular…??
And the IDIOT GENE is going VIRAL