Realclimate.org goes dark – is it permanent?

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While few have noticed, since hardly anyone but the handful of extreme faithful visit there anymore, it seems that the website run by the climate alarmist cabal of Dr. Gavin Schmidt, Dr. Michael Mann, Dr. Stephan Rahmstorf, and others has gone dark this week. According to the “wayback machine” the last time the realclimate.org website was live was November 17th:

realclimate-wayback-11-17-15

Now, it shows this, what appears to be a default page for a “parked domain”.

realclimate-gone-dark

The domain is still registered, according to WHOIS:

realclimate-whois

‘Tis a puzzle, did Gavin or EMS forget to pay the hosting bill, have they given up, or is something else going on?

There’s no hint of why on Gavin’s Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin

Note to Gavin, this really doesn’t prevent me from reading your Twitter feed:

gavin-blocked-twitter

Hopefully we’ll find out the reason soon.

UPDATE: Russell Cook writes via email…

From what I’ve seen, the ultra-handy Internet Wayback Machine site is sometimes a bit slow on archiving current web sites.

Google Cache seems to have caught RealClimate up an running on Thursday the 19th:  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eItUrDSLUIgJ:www.realclimate.org/

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November 21, 2015 6:52 am

Nice!

Bryan A
Reply to  marykaybarton
November 21, 2015 9:37 am

Probably a combination of a lack of traffic and pulled advertising as a result. They obviously didn’t want to spend cash out of pocket to maintain the poorly visited site so, until additional commercial sponsorship can be arranged, the site was parked

Mike Bromley the Kurd
Reply to  Bryan A
November 21, 2015 9:54 am

Al Gorzeera??

Reply to  Bryan A
November 21, 2015 1:42 pm

Undoubtedly, this is another example of climate change, which has now affected the internet. Funny how climate change would be so specific, and only shut down this one website? Perhaps this would make a good study?

Reply to  marykaybarton
November 21, 2015 7:21 pm

The domain is currently changing registrars…
This line in Whois tells you that:
Domain Status: ok — http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Normally the status would be:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
So, I’m sure the domain will reappear after the transfer is complete.

catweazle666
Reply to  unknown502756
November 22, 2015 2:49 pm

If we examine http://whois.domaintools.com/realclimate.org and scroll down to the bottom, we find these lines:
Name Server:EXPIRED1.ACTIVE-DNS.COM
Name Server:EXPIRED2.ACTIVE-DNS.COM

The domain name server has expired.
So with a bit of luck, it’s DEAD.

Reply to  unknown502756
November 22, 2015 8:55 pm

@catweazle666:
Of course since I don’t ever look at realclimate.org – at all – except right now… I can’t be sure of anything.
I would hope, from a technical perspective, that realclimate.org posted some warning or something before heading offline.
Anyway, the domain’s registration doesn’t expire until next year. So, if the domain is parked – as it seems to be – it’s simply a change of registrar or hosting provider or both.
Here are a few more details:
http://www.easycounter.com/report/realclimate.org
You will notice that there are two other name servers listed:
ns1517.ztomy.com
ns2517.ztomy.com
Generally you want to fill all five name server slots, not just four… but whatever.
It’s very likely that the realclimate.org domain will reappear online at its new hosting/registrar/something or other provided by:
Confluence Networks in the Virgin Islands.
It’s a bit strange to have the Domain Status changed for a simple hosting provider change — and a bit a risky if there’s no actual registrar change. But… again – whatever… It’s the Internet, and no one knows anything, especially the “experts”

Reply to  marykaybarton
November 24, 2015 8:20 am

Found their backup site:
http://realclimate-backup.org
I asked in comments regarding site fail if they could just “adjust the data” so the domain name Chiefs would “warm up” to them but it didn’t get past the moderators

PaulH
November 21, 2015 6:55 am

Interesting. It may be possible they are completely rejigging their web site and plan to have it live in time for the Paris shrimp-fest.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  PaulH
November 21, 2015 11:40 am

Rejigging? You must mean “refibbing.”

Marcus
November 21, 2015 6:55 am

ROTFLMAO …poor Gavin..maybe I should tweet him, oh wait, I’m blocked too ! Some people have no sense of humor !! LOL

Menicholas
Reply to  Marcus
November 21, 2015 8:40 am

I have never been to his twit, so I can send a message to him if you want.

Marcus
Reply to  Menicholas
November 21, 2015 9:20 am

Just don’t say anything that is factual or you’ll be BAAAAANNNNNED !!!!!

Mike Bromley the Kurd
Reply to  Menicholas
November 21, 2015 9:56 am

Me too….maybe it’s time. I hardly use twitter. At they might say in Newfoundland, “Twit’er, bye!”

cirby
November 21, 2015 6:59 am

Battlespace preparation for the biggest case of “we never said that” in history?

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  cirby
November 21, 2015 7:01 am

I don’t recall having ever said “I never said that,” but I also don’t recall ever having said that. Now what was the question?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
November 21, 2015 9:36 am

Did you forget to remember to forget to remember?

auralay
November 21, 2015 6:59 am

Thank you for reading Gavin’s twitter feed so that we don’t have to!

November 21, 2015 7:00 am

Somehow I DON’T want to wish rip. 😉

November 21, 2015 7:00 am

On the one hand Real Climate likely isn’t needed any more, now that the last “western” skeptics have been driven from leadership (in Australia and Canada). On the other hand, it looks as if the political victory can do little more than further inflate the political egos of the Warmunistas. To quote a Warmunist leader of God’s Frozen People, at Paris “We are going to sit down at the table, roll up our sleeves and send a signal.”

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  R Taylor
November 21, 2015 7:02 am

But “Western Leadership” is an oxymoron these days.

firetoice2014
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
November 21, 2015 9:37 am

Apparently you are not a believer in “leading from behind”. 😉

richard verney
Reply to  R Taylor
November 21, 2015 7:21 am

The UK is presently experiencing a cold snap. See; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328202/First-snows-winter-hit-swathes-UK-5cm-falling-overnight-lows-4C.html
It would be a bit of a laugh if Paris was to experience a similar cold snap at the end of next week/beginning of December similar to the cold snap that hit Copenhagen 2009./

Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 7:38 am

That is the “Al Gore effect” ?

indefatigablefrog
Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 8:40 am

Yes, heavy snow in the UK in the middle of November.
At this rate children aren’t going to know what “not knowing what snow is” is.
What a shame that we can no longer go and leave sarcy comments on the Independent article page.

Jay Hope
Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 10:06 am

One day of mildish weather,and they call it ‘the warmest month in recorded history, but a week of really cold weather marking the beginning of what might become a very cold winter, is dismissed as a ‘cold snap’.This is what made the british media great.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 10:39 am

richard verney
Sorry to be a wet blanket. While I’d be quite happy with Alarmist chattering teeth I am concerned for the refugees. I have seen their clothes on “Vids” it is not acquitted, for European temperatures. I don’t think the E.U. has properly prepared for this.
I don’t think in the best of times anyone could have prepared for this.
While I can understand the sentiment for wanting “little ice age weather” for the shindig (cop21), I recommend this; if you pray, pray for warm weather where the refugees are, If you hope, when hope for warm weather for the refugees. And a safe and speedy return to their homelands .
michael

Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 1:52 pm

That is because 48 hours ago a north flowing surface wind pulled wind from around 30N all the way into Greenland. This warmed the intense cold which had been in place for over 30 days by 20 F on the 19th. The surface wind then turned east from Greenland, and dropped south right across the UK and into France. This has also changed the Paris 10 day forecast quite a bit as compared to 36 hours ago…http://www.intellicast.com/Local/ObservationsSummary.aspx?location=FRXX0076

Hivemind
Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 9:50 pm

Easily solved. Just turn up the heating in the conference venues. It worked before.

Gary
November 21, 2015 7:03 am

The windmill is broken and the solar panels shorted out.

Reply to  Gary
November 21, 2015 7:21 am

LOL.

Reply to  Climatism
November 21, 2015 10:08 am

The problem is that when it’s cold in Britain there’s no wind, and the solar panels are covered in snow. At least we still have a few coal-fired solar panels. But in Scotland we hardy folk have not turned our heating on yet. We’ll wait till the ice starts to form on the inside of the Georgian window-panes.
Oh, and I’ve checked, and the domain name Realclimate.org has been allowed to lapse.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Climatism
November 21, 2015 11:33 am

Monckton of Brenchley
Oh, and I’ve checked, and the domain name Realclimate.org has been allowed to lapse.
A thousand pardons (I am a skeptic!) where must I go to find this..
a friend
michael
P.S. do you (or anyone) know of any sewage enterprises that would want the domain?
respectfully
michael

katherine009
November 21, 2015 7:14 am

Looks like someone forgot to pay the bill for the domain name.

Erny72
November 21, 2015 7:19 am

Kevin Bloody Wilson has a song which sums up why the page is dark; if you asked most people about ‘Real’Climate, they’d answer “DILLIGAF?”.

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

TRM
Reply to  Erny72
November 21, 2015 8:04 am

Thank you Erny72. I am in tears laughing and I want the DILLIGAF licence plate for my car!

Marcus
Reply to  TRM
November 21, 2015 10:16 am

I want the T shirt so I can tell people what it means !!!!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  TRM
November 21, 2015 10:00 pm

TRM you should google some of his other works…real rib ticklers!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  TRM
November 21, 2015 10:01 pm

Marcus I am sure there is a franchise website where you can but that.

Baronstone
Reply to  TRM
November 22, 2015 12:45 pm

You can’t get one for your car, even if they give you the plate, someone will know what it means and report it. Then the DMV will take your plate away, no you don’t have a choice in the matter. You either take the plate in, or they suspend your license, the plate and the registration for the vehicle. I know because I asked when I was getting the custom tags for my wife’s car. The lady told me that every now and then someone will sneak through something that isn’t obvious, then someone that knows what it means will report it. When that happens they contact the person with the custom plate and tell them that they have to bring it in and get a replacement within a certain number of days. If they refuse, then they simply suspend that persons license, invalidate the plate and suspend the registration for that vehicle. Since some states use automated plate scanners these days, you don’t even have to get pulled over for them to know. The computer automatically alerts them to the invalid plate, the cop pulls the person over and in the end they get fined for driving without a valid license, for driving a vehicle with an invalid plate and for driving a vehicle without a valid registration.
Now most of the time the judge will wave those fines if you go in and talk to him/her, and just tell him/her that you do not feel that the plate is offensive. However, there are times that someone will show up with a bad attitude, be disrespectful and the judge will let the fines stand. Which ends up costing the person close to $1000 all because they weren’t smart enough to keep their mouth closed.

Editor
Reply to  TRM
November 22, 2015 10:47 pm

Baronstone, that’s not what happened to my wife in New Hampshire. She was assured her car was still registered (after all, the state had the registration fee), she just drove around for a couple weeks before the state decided they better send her a replacement. She wasn’t stopped by the police, but someone did run over to her in a parking lot to shake her hand.
http://wermenh.com/h8dcyf.html
With that plate, the state changed the rules and banned all license plates with hate (H8) speech. Including H8WAR, which no one had, and the chemical formula for propane (C3H8), which perplexed the fellow who wanted various chemical formulas for his energy business vehicles.

John_downunder
Reply to  Erny72
November 21, 2015 3:12 pm

Lol, aside from his 3 readers who now longer have access, who gives a Schmidt.

November 21, 2015 7:20 am

Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
“The windmill is broken and the solar panels shorted out.”
(Comment: Gary – LOL)

JD Ohio
November 21, 2015 7:20 am

A more accurate name for the website would be real propaganda.

Reply to  JD Ohio
November 21, 2015 7:40 am

Real policy based cultural Marxism propaganda?

Hugs
Reply to  JD Ohio
November 21, 2015 7:51 am

No really who’s interested in realclimate or Gavin’s twitter?
The proper name would be something like my advocacy, or even my dear echo chamber TM.
The thing is, Gavin is dull. Duller than I can take. It might be CO2 causes dullness, or that the accumulation of heat prevents him thinking, or maybe a polar bear ate all the excitement, but frankly I can’t take it any more. If you are a world-known scientist but you don’t do science but some little pal review game – I can wait for the next generation of scientists. While I never agree fully with Lubos Motl, I like the way he writes hard science to his audience, his well-grounded opinions, and never lets advanced scientific stupidity pass without being used for entertainment. You don’t need to know your Lie groups inside out to enjoy the result.

Marcus
Reply to  Hugs
November 21, 2015 10:17 am

He is definitely suffering from lack of Oxygen to his brain cell !!!

richard verney
November 21, 2015 7:27 am

I am confident that this is only a temporary thing.
There is a lot yet to spin with the current 2015/16 El Nino; they need to claim that this is all part of the linear trend in CO2 induced warming, rather than the consequence of a natural event not driven by CO2.
Given that it is unlikely that Paris COP21 will achieve a binding deal which would truly result in reductions in CO2 emissions breach of which carrying legal consequences, and it is unlikely that the developed West will enter a binding agreement to pay Climate/carbon reparations, the need for lobbying and propaganda continues.
Expect to see the site back up and running within the next week to 10 days.

Reply to  richard verney
November 21, 2015 8:47 pm

There are signs from the SOI that the El Nino (mild) is at an end. It certainly is not an super El Nino as in 1997-1998

ClimateOtter
November 21, 2015 7:28 am

I would not be surprised if they are doing a major overhaul, to be launched with the climate COP. Chock full of all the most recent propaganda.

Billy Liar
Reply to  ClimateOtter
November 21, 2015 7:51 am

The headline will be ‘2015 – warmest year ever globally’.

Bill Marsh
Editor
Reply to  ClimateOtter
November 21, 2015 7:57 am

Why would they have to let the domain expire to develop a major overhaul? I doubt the ‘major overhaul’ theory for this reason. No need to do anything to your site while you are developing a ‘major overhaul’, plus, you would think they would have posted some explanation prior to it going dark.
I guess that makes me a ‘major oerhaul’ denier.

schitzree
November 21, 2015 7:34 am

…and nothing of value was lost.

Reply to  schitzree
November 21, 2015 8:24 am

+5

Reply to  schitzree
November 21, 2015 12:08 pm

and bandwidth was gained!

hunter
November 21, 2015 7:35 am

The climate hypesters are on a mission, and have effectively unlimited funding. They are not going under except in the integrity area, where they went under long ago.

November 21, 2015 7:39 am

Gavin tweeted at 5:21 am on 11/20/15 that there is a “RealClimate domain name issue. Working on it”.
&
Gavin tweeted at 2:34 am on 11/20/15 that they are “just renewing the domain – hopefully should be back soon”.
Sounds like maintenance of RealClimate has devolved to a much lower priority.
John

Bill H
Reply to  John Whitman
November 21, 2015 9:21 am

For a moment there I though we had hope…. Any bets on it coming back much cleaner?

Marcus
Reply to  John Whitman
November 21, 2015 10:19 am

QUICK , somebody buy it before he does !!!!

Reply to  Marcus
November 21, 2015 10:34 am

Marcus on November 21, 2015 at 10:19 am
– – – – – – –
Marcus,
RC probably has a market value of about 57 cents (US).
John

dp
November 21, 2015 7:39 am

The domain expiry date is one year away 11/19/2016, and the DNS name servers from the full whois record are ones used when domains expire, so it appears their calendar has been homogenized and they missed a renewal date. That can be painful.

MCourtney
November 21, 2015 7:40 am

All the propaganda outfits are turning up the volume before Paris. For example, the Guardian Environment section is now so fevered only the rabid fanatics comment there; it’s a lonely echo chamber. And that’s al;; it needs to be to keep the zealots on their toes to campaign in Paris.
RealClimate is meant to persuade the intelligent doubters. But there aren’t any of those left. The debate is too politicised and angry. The Alarmists abandoned any option of “It is happening but it may not be a problem” when they attacked Lomborg. That lost them any chance of talking to anyone save the far-out fatalists.
So RealClimate has been redundant as a propaganda tool for a while. And it’s useless as a science site as it refuses to examine the evidence that Climate Sensitivity was vastly over-estimated.
In summary:- RealClimate has been dead for a while. So let’s drink to that.
And let’s remember that the fact it’s ever existed is an argument for sacking Harrabin from the BBC.

RD
Reply to  MCourtney
November 21, 2015 8:12 am

well said, MCourtney.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  MCourtney
November 21, 2015 3:06 pm

The last time I was at realclimate.org I came across this beauty:
17
Mark says:
3 Nov 2015 at 6:41 PM
Apparently Roy Spencer’s CMIP5 models vs observations graph has gotten some “uninformed and lame” criticisms from “global warming activist bloggers,” but no criticism from any “actual climate scientists.” Would any actual climate scientists, perhaps one with expertise in climate models, care to comment? models-vs-observations-plotting-a-conspiracy
[Response: Happy to! The use of single year (1979) or four year (1979-1983) baselines is wrong and misleading. The use of the ensemble means as the sole comparison to the satellite data is wrong and misleading. The absence of a proper acknowledgement of the structural uncertainty in the satellite data is wrong and misleading. The absence of NOAA STAR or the Po-Chedley et al reprocessing of satellite data is… curious. The averaging of the different balloon datasets, again without showing the structural uncertainty is wrong and misleading. The refusal to acknowledge that the model simulations are affected by the (partially overestimated) forcing in CMIP5 as well as model responses is a telling omission. The pretence that they are just interested in trends when they don’t show the actual trend histogram and the uncertainties is also curious, don’t you think? Just a few of the reasons that their figures never seem to make their way into an actual peer-reviewed publication perhaps… – gavin]
– My emphasis, ref this Link ( If the link will ever work again ):
(Gavin Schmidt is Climatologist, climate modeler and Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York).
Has anyone told the 40 000 participants in the Paris idiocracy that:
“The refusal to acknowledge that the model simulations are affected by the (partially overestimated) forcing in CMIP5 as well as model responses is a telling omission.”

Dermod
Reply to  Science or Fiction
November 24, 2015 3:50 am

Sorry, I’m banned there!

Editor
November 21, 2015 7:41 am

Well, it’s a bit curious. Given:

Creation Date: 2004-11-19T16:39:03Z
Updated Date: 2015-11-20T01:33:40Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2016-11-19T16:39:03Z

Domain Status: ok — http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Domain Status: autoRenewPeriod — http://www.icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod

Someone renewed the domain. Apparently it was the ISP or ICANN or someone doing it to protect the domain from being released and snarfed up by one of us evil-doers.
At the top of current page, it says:

The domain name realclimate.org has expired – Click here to renew it

That link has instructions that require the account holder to login, so we can’t renew for Gavin.
So all in all, just your basic we-forgot-to-renew-the-damn-domain screwup.

3x2
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 4:47 am

That’s a bit of a shame. We could have renewed the domain and then presented it back to Gavin as a present from all at WUWT.

November 21, 2015 7:42 am

In my business we control many social media accounts for many clients. The idea that blocking anybody from any Twitter page or even a private Facebook page is quite laughable. Whatever you put up on social media is available to all – or at least anybody who truly wants to view it or comment on it.

Editor
Reply to  Michael Gersh
November 21, 2015 7:56 am

I nearly blocked someone at https://www.facebook.com/groups/wattsupwiththat/ – sometimes you don’t want to see someone’s annoying or too frequent posts. Then he disappeared, but his name pops up once in a while. Apparently he got annoyed at me correcting him all the time and blocked me first. Works for me.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 8:26 am

🙂

dp
November 21, 2015 7:47 am

The current IP address is located in the British Virgin Islands.
208.91.197.217
GeoIP City Edition, Rev 1: VG, 00, N/A, Road Town, N/A, 18.416700, -64.616699, 0, 0
At least it’s warm there.

Gunga Din
November 21, 2015 7:48 am

Hmmm…..
On “Funny Friday” in response to this:

Ric Werme
November 20, 2015 at 2:17 pm
It’s been over an hour and no one has posted https://xkcd.com/386/ !?comment image
Thank you for leaving it for me. 🙂

I said this:

Gunga Din
November 20, 2015 at 3:25 pm
Perhaps correcting “The Internet” is “hell”?
Being assigned “RealClimate” would be the seventh level of hell.
That or being forced to date a “french model”? 😎
(Reference to a commercial aired in the US a few years ago for those outside the US.)

Perhaps there really is a seventh level of hell? And it’s been very busy! 😎

Editor
November 21, 2015 7:52 am

While Realclimate is down, let me suggest that everyone visit the much more uplifting http://john-daly.com .
It’s domain status is somewhat screwier. The last maintainer of the site died without prior notice to anyone who would be interested. The first we knew about it was when the web host disabled the site for non-payment. I hunted them down and explained the story as I understood it at the time, and we set up a new account and they were kind enough to give me a full copy of his files and link things there. So the site was good until the domain’s expiration date.
As I expected, the domain registrar (it’s a long story, going back to the theft of sex.com ages ago), wouldn’t transfer the domain to me and I’ve been dragging my heels and the rest of my body to get a notarized death notice, but the domain registrar has an interesting setup where they let anyone renew a domain. That’s a heck of a lot more convenient than jumping through the hoops to do it right!
Ya know, this would be a great time to take RealClimate off the right side nav bar. Maybe leave it off until RealClimate links to WUWT. 🙂

Taphonomic
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 8:16 am

RealClimate (or any warmist site) link to WUWT?? As Buddy Holly and John Wayne said: “That’ll be the day”.
Going back to the early days of the internet, you could always judge sites by to whom they would or wouldn’t link. For example, creationist sites would never link to evolution sites, but evolution sites would link to creationist sites. When a site doesn’t want you to see the other side of a discussion, they have already lost.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 1:14 pm

Ric:
What you are proposing is using Real Climate as a genuine honest to goodness Real Climate site with honest stuff!?
Sounds good to me. Put up a donation button and we’ll buy it!

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 1:19 pm

Ric,
Thanks for the 4-1-1 on the John Daly site. I would hate to lose that excellent information! Do you have it saved somewhere?
And ATheoK, I would also donate.

Editor
Reply to  dbstealey
November 21, 2015 6:24 pm

I’m really sloppy about backups in general, however I’m fond of keeping data on my local computer*. So I edit web pages locally and upload them to the target site. In john-daly.com’s case I downloaded everything I could as soon as they restored the site until we could switch over to my account, and then I downloaded everything in the account as soon as that was set up. It came in very handy once. I don’t know what they did, but the ISP had a catastrophic failure and their backups were involved too – basically, they wiped out a bunch of customer’s web sites and couldn’t restore them. They gave us profuse apologies, 3 or 4 months free hosting, and I had john-daly.com restored within an hour. At any rate, my web sites exist in two places and I haven’t lost much, if anything.
* My “new” system has a SSD root disk. I hear when these fail, they often just plain break and you can’t recover anything from them. So I both make a verbatim copy and a “tar” copy every night. I suppose I should check to see if those copies are still happening someday….

Science or Fiction
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 3:21 pm

The sites which really made me skeptic was realclimate and skepticalscience. There wasn´t much real and skeptical in those sites.

Latitude
November 21, 2015 7:53 am

..and these are the disorganized twats that are
oh never mind

Alx
Reply to  Rob Ricket
November 21, 2015 8:42 am

So here is HOW the professor found the data-sets altered
• Reducing the annual mean in the early phase.
• Reducing the high values in the first warming phase.
• Increasing individual values during the second warming phase.
• Suppression of the second cooling phase starting in 1995.
• Shortening the early decades of the data-sets.
• With the long-term data-sets, even the first century was shortened.
At a glance it does appear there is a bias towards warming. NASA does claim to have good reasons for those alterations (or adjustments as they call them), however since their version control is so preposterously weak and they refuse to make information available on internal discussion and reasoning for the changes we will never have good answers on the WHY the data-sets were altered.
This is NASA, who once put men on the moon now has their name and reputation associated with this laughing stock.

James Francisco
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 9:51 am

It seems to me that NASA has a long history of supporting useless, expensive, make work projects like sending men to the moon. I will admit that the technoligy that was developed for that project was useful for our communications, navigation, military weapons and weather monitoring systems. It may be the sending men to the moon was a goal just to convince those that would oppose the huge spending required for the real necessary things.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 10:00 am

You know, if NASA had changed the distance from earth to moon, they wouldn’t have had to expend so much on fuel to put a man on the moon. What? It was all staged by Hollywood? Well, if NASA’s credibility becomes more tarnished, I might start believing that the moon landing was faked. “One small step for mann; one giant fall for NASA.”

commieBob
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 10:29 am

James Francisco says:
November 21, 2015 at 9:51 am
It seems to me that NASA has a long history of supporting useless, expensive, make work projects like sending men to the moon.

Are you proposing that we should have let the USSR beat us to the moon?

James Francisco
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 10:51 am

For Commie Bob. Yes. If the USER wants to beat us to Mars then that is OK with me too. What value was it to go to the moon?

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 12:08 pm

NASA’s loss of reputation is undoubtedly the result of a well-meant outreach to make Muslim nations feel good about themselves by making NASA appear to be a bunch of drivel-spewing lunatics in the fields of science, math, and engineering. I’d say, mission accomplished. By contrast, Muslim science hasn’t looked this good in centuries.

Editor
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 12:53 pm

James Fransisco : Was the moon landing really so useless? Try seeing it in the context of Sun Tzu’s The Art of War : “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.“. The moon landing contributed to the downfall of the USSR.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 1:02 pm

James Francisco
November 21, 2015 at 9:51 am
“…useless, expensive, make work projects like sending men to the moon.
Yeah J. Francisco, precedents like King Ferdinand and Isabella uselessly sending Columbus to America come to mind. I suspect you think the moon mission funds could have been better spent establishing world central government and covering the world with windmills.

Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 1:25 pm

James Francisco,
We sent two dozen men to the moon (half actually walked on the surface). No other country has sent even one. That was a tremendous accomplishment. I’ve often said here that I think America’s zenith was between the end of WWII and the Apollo program.
Now, China is looking at the moon as a permanent base. Robert Heinlein said the moon is the military high ground. What do you think about that?
And to add to America’s shame, there’s this:
https://youtu.be/tCn10YWsY1Q

jeff
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 1:38 pm

NASA used to be a reputable agency with highly intelligent people, but that was back in the ’60s and ’70s. The people at NASA today are NOT the same people who put a man on the moon.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 1:56 pm

James Francisco November 21, 2015 at 10:51 am
For Commie Bob. Yes. If the USER wants to beat us to Mars then that is OK with me too. What value was it to go to the moon?
To aspire to greatest and achieve it.
michael

Science or Fiction
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 3:29 pm

They did the one thing real scientists never do – mess up the data.

Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 4:46 pm

dbstealey November 21, 2015 at 1:25 pm: Wish I hadn’t watched that. What a comedown for the agency that led the Apollo adventure! You are right: It was a magnificent accomplishment, and aside from defeating the Germans and the Japanese in World War II, America’s greatest triumph. How depressing that we have not built upon that success.
/Mr Lynn

Reply to  Alx
November 22, 2015 1:26 am

WOW, same “Modus Operandi” as the Bureau of Metreology (BoM) in Australia!

timg56
Reply to  Alx
November 22, 2015 6:26 am

Noaaprogrammer,
I believe it takes the same amount of fuel no matter the distance. The purpose of the rocket is to lift the payload out from the bottom of earth’s gravity well.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Alx
November 22, 2015 3:55 pm

Don’t forget the energy required to keep an environment habitable for the astronauts. The longer the mission, the heavier the payload: food, liquid, etc.

November 21, 2015 7:56 am

RealClimate in the early days was a reasonable discussion forum, where real debate was possible, without much censoring. After a few years the censoring hand of Gavin Schmidt got heavier and about half my comments disappeared in cyberspace, without real reason. So, I did give up commenting there and it completely degenerated into an echo chamber…
A pity, as it could have been a real scientific discussion forum between the two camps…

papiertigre
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
November 21, 2015 8:21 am

The conmen have never been interested in a scientific discussion. Their sole purpose was to browbeat the weak minded into compliance.

joelobryan
Reply to  papiertigre
November 21, 2015 8:53 am

They don’t have to beat the weakminded. The weakminded are too busy discussing the latest Kardashian stupidity to notice the theft of our collective future by both the socialist-Democrats and establishment Republicans..

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
November 21, 2015 1:05 pm

It would have been if the “RealClimate” side more than one arrow in its quiver.

observa
November 21, 2015 8:12 am

“Update: Here is the ZoomInfo on Betsy:
# Betsy Ensley, Web Editor/Program Coordinator: Betsy joined the staff of Environmental Media Services in April 2002 as a program assistant for EMS’s toxics program. Presently, she manages BushGreenwatch.org, a joint EMS-MoveOn.org public awareness website, and coordinates environmental community media efforts to protect and improve environmental and public health safeguards. Before coming to EMS, Betsy interned at the U.S. Department of State in the office of the Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. Betsy graduated with honors from the University of Iowa in 2000, where she majored in Global Studies with thematic focus on war, peace and security. She minored in Asian languages.
It looks like part of Betsy’s salary is paid by MoveOn.org who is funded by George Soros. l Hansen got some George Soros support also”
EMS you say?
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/110-environmental-media-services/
A big blog poster and following? (translation needed)
http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/
The face behind all that media?
http://thinkshout.com/team/betsy/
And some info here-
http://www.canadaka.net/forums/science-f47/ten-years-and-counting-where-s-the-global-warming-t96397-240.html
“Funding of RealClimate.ORG
A reader has asked me by e-mail who funds RealClimate.ORG. Well, it is not so difficult to find out. Just search for the registration information of RealClimate.ORG at WhoIs.NET and you will find out that RealClimate.ORG is run by Environmental Media Services and by Betsy Ensley.
EMS is primarily an organization to pay for junk science about food and beverages, often hired by food companies to damage their competitors; click the link in the previous sentence to learn more.
RealClimate.ORG has several sisters founded by the same Betsy Ensley, including WomenAgainstBush.ORG and BushGreenWatch.ORG. When Ensley was campaigning against Ashcroft, her secretary was Kalee Kreider who is now Al Gore’s spokesperson. Al Gore’s former press secretary, Arlie Schardt, is on the EMS’s board of directors, too.
It’s explained in one of the previous links that EMS also owns Fenton Communications, a group providing various “progressive” non-profit organizations with many services. They are best known for their representation of MoveOn.ORG. Fenton also organized the initial press release promoting RealClimate.ORG, a move that was most likely sparked by an immediate attempt to counter the influence of “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton.”
.

kim
Reply to  observa
November 21, 2015 8:35 am

Mouseketeers? Rocketeers? No, no, no, racketeers.
I’ve long thought that realclimate was set up to counter Steve McIntyre. Thanks for expanding my perspective to include that wonderful medical doctor, who only treated demonized patients, and rather off-handedly at that.
==================

Barbara
Reply to  observa
November 21, 2015 2:48 pm

eco America
Board includes:
David Fenton, founded Fenton Communications 1982
Danny Kennedy, was Greenpeace campaign manager and managed Greenpeace’s California Clean Energy Campaign.
http://www.ecoamerica.org/about/board

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 21, 2015 4:04 pm

Wikipedia: Danny Kennedy
Citizen of U.S. & Australia. Founder of Sungevia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Kennedy_(environmentalist)

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 21, 2015 5:17 pm

CalCEF Ventures/California Clean Energy Fund
Danny Kennedy is now Managing Director.
Board includes: Ralph Cavanagh, NRDC/Natural Resources Defense Council.
http://www.calcef.org/ventures/team

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 21, 2015 6:39 pm

Australia Unlimited, 19 Apr 2013
‘THE SUN CATCHER’ , Danny Kennedy
Sungevity Australia launched in April 2012 and is offering Australia’s first pay-as-you-go solar option.
http://www.australiaunlimited.com/environment/the-sun-catcher
Also see: TEDx Sydney on Danny Kennedy
http://www.tedxsydney.com/site/speakerProfile.cfm?speaker=270 or http://www.tedxsydney.com

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 22, 2015 7:42 am

Sungevity is also in the solar panel business in Canada.
Co-founder of Sungevity, Danny Kennedy, is/was involved with Tar Sands Action.
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/participants. Date is c. Feb.13, 2013.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  observa
November 21, 2015 3:42 pm

WomanAgainstBush.org! Are they preparing for global warming?

Alx
November 21, 2015 8:19 am

That Gavin is a jerk and a coward, he himself has well established with behavior like refusing to appear on camera with another qualified scientist. (see article link below) That such a small minded individual like Gavin maintained any credibility at all is stupefying.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/19/nasas-dr-gavin-schmidt-goes-into-hiding-from-seven-very-inconvenient-questions/

Menicholas
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 9:25 am

Agree 100%.
Hard to believe.
But, the history of the CAGW meme could fill an entire Museum of the Hard to Believe.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Menicholas
November 21, 2015 1:15 pm

The “proponents” have been advised and all seem to have agreed to not debate anymore. They had some unmitigated disasters when they tried it.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/20/monckton-wins-national-press-club-debate-on-climate/

And Gavin Schmidt runs away from debate with Roy Spencer

ralfellis
November 21, 2015 8:31 am

Not surprised. The only time I posted there they said I had to quote from published papers, and I was not allowed to think for myself. (The pretext being that skeptical papers are never published…)

Nigel in Santa Barbara
Reply to  ralfellis
November 21, 2015 6:17 pm

The video above on the debate with Lord Moncton was FANTASTIC!

William Astley
November 21, 2015 8:31 am

Real Climate is a who’s who of the cult of CAGW’s inner circle to push/justify the CAGW agenda.
The propaganda effort has however moved on from the pathetic suppressed/manipulated discussion of scientific analysis and observations associated with past and future climate ‘change’ which was initial deemed necessary to justify the existence of CAGW, to a never ending broadcast of manipulated climate ‘change’ news items:
Cult of CAGW scientists’ sciency models predict global warming will be worse than expected (big surprise), polar bear falls off ice and drowns, and cute children hold breaths in effort to convince politicians to print more money to ‘fight’ climate change and to increase the salaries for their teachers, to save their country from the deb crisis and the climate ‘change’ crisis.
The whole dang climate war mess will continual along its obvious course (there is sufficient momentum that a major new issue is required to interrupt/stop the madness) until 1) there is frightening global cooling which the public will demand an explanation for and/or 2) the public/politicians have their eureka moment and understand the practical economic implications of wasting trillions and trillions of dollars on green scams that do not work – tripling of the cost of electricity for example, massive loss of jobs, and zero impact on present/future climate change when the real problem is a never ending economic down turn and global cooling.
It is interesting that the Dansgaard/Oescheger ‘events’ (also called Bond events) have a characteristic period of 1470 years that does not change from the glacial period to the interglacial period. Point is there must be an external forcing function that causes the planet to warm and cool cyclically rather than internal forcing function, as climate internal mechanisms change drastically glacial phase vs interglacial phase and internal forcing would be chaotic not periodic.
Can you see how the planet warms and cools cyclically? Who is denying what?

..with 95% confidence the period is maintained to better than 12% over at least 23 cycles …

Greenland Ice Sheet Temperatures Last 100,000 years
http://www.hidropolitikakademi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/4.gif
Greenland ice temperature, last 11,000 years determined from ice core analysis, Richard Alley’s paper. William: As this graph indicates the Greenland Ice data shows that have been 9 warming and cooling periods in the last 11,000 years and 14 additional warming and cooling cycles in the last glacial period, same periodicity.
http://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2%20TemperatureSince10700%20BP%20with%20CO2%20from%20EPICA%20DomeC.gif
http://academic.evergreen.edu/z/zita/teaching/CClittell/readings/Jan31_Overpeck_and_Cole_2006.pdf

ABRUPT CHANGE IN EARTH’S CLIMATE SYSTEM
What do we mean by abrupt change? Alley et al. (2), in a seminal paper arising from a U.S. National Academy of Sciences report (5), followed on the original definition of abrupt change (6): an abrupt climate change occurs when the climate system is forced to cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate determined by the climate system itself and faster than the cause. Others have defined it simply as a large change within less than 30 years (7) or as a transition in the climate system whose duration is fast relative to the duration of the preceding or subsequent state (8).
Further analysis of diverse records has distinguished two types of millennial events (13). Dansgaard/Oeschger (D/O) events are alternations between warm (interstadial) and cold (stadial) states that recur approximately every 1500 years, although this rhythm is variable. Heinrich events are intervals of extreme cold contemporaneous with intervals of ice-rafted detritus in the northern North Atlantic (24–26); these recur irregularly on the order of ca. 10,000 years apart and are typically followed by the warmest D/O interstadials.
Cold-climate abrupt change occurs with a characteristic timescale of appro.1500 years, a feature that must be explained by any proposed mechanism. North Atlantic and the Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 (GISP2) records exhibit a period of approx.1470 years (64, 65). However, the adjacent ice core isotope record from the Greenland Ice Core Project (GRIP) site exhibits periods closer to 1670 and 1130–1330 years, which is in agreement with the independently dated record from Hulu Cave (49, 66) …

Timing of abrupt climate change: A precise clock by Stefan Rahmstorf
Many paleoclimatic data reveal a approx. 1,500 year cyclicity of unknown origin. A crucial question is how stable and regular this cycle is. An analysis of the GISP2 ice core record from Greenland reveals that abrupt climate events appear to be paced by a 1,470-year cycle with a period that is probably stable to within a few percent; with 95% confidence the period is maintained to better than 12% over at least 23 cycles. This highly precise clock points to an origin outside the Earth system; oscillatory modes within the Earth system can be expected to be far more irregular in period.

Reply to  William Astley
November 21, 2015 12:55 pm

Those are some really scary findings because as we have seen already a lengthy pause we might well be half way into that 30 year window.

Yirgach
Reply to  William Astley
November 22, 2015 2:20 pm

While somewhat interesting, there are a lot of handwavings, maybes, likelys and other weasel words thrown around in that paper.
You can generally disregard stuff associated with Evergreen. They are rabid Marxist Warministas.
State funded no less…

November 21, 2015 8:33 am

I tried putting in the obvious username and password: badscientists and makingitup, but that did not work, but it must have been very close.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Peter Miller
November 21, 2015 12:16 pm

Did you try “TrofimLysenko” and “WhatLysenkoSpawned?”

JimS
November 21, 2015 8:38 am

Four days blank does not a down forever website make.

Alx
Reply to  JimS
November 21, 2015 8:45 am

Well we can only hope that they demonstrate their usual level of incompetence and do not have good backups to recover from.

Bill H
Reply to  JimS
November 21, 2015 9:11 am

One being scrubbed… maybe…? Lots of inconvenient data sets and predictions there were..

Jimmy Haigh
November 21, 2015 8:40 am

Come on our Gav! Wot?! No fanfare? Ah well. Just as we thought. It was all a load of bollocks.

Sean Staplin
November 21, 2015 8:44 am

I went over there last night as I look every now and then to see what they are up to. Noticed it dark as well and was wondering.

Alx
November 21, 2015 8:47 am

The article illustration is appropriate; the Titanic is Climate Change and the iceberg it ran into is reality.

Marcus
Reply to  Alx
November 21, 2015 10:29 am

+ 100

Bill H
November 21, 2015 8:58 am

Here is my take:
RC is down due to many of their data sets, which disprove their AWG theroy, along with a host of failed predictions that are inconvenient and easily accessible to the general public. The ability to show the fraud and massive adjustments to the historical records were on that site. This must be dealt with from a policy stand point. You simply can not have this readily available to the public.
The site is being scrubbed!
Just like Viner’s “no snow” predictions which magically disappeared, they were hoping no one would notice. KUDO’s to Mr W for noticing! The deceptions will run amuck very soon and they are hoping we do not have the data to discredit them.

Editor
Reply to  Bill H
November 21, 2015 9:53 am

And why would that happen on the same date the domain registration expired?

Reply to  Bill H
November 21, 2015 2:02 pm

My thoughts on first seeing this, were that it was an attempt to purge some inconvenient writing. The biggest example I’m familiar with, is the comments section of the post, “The Montford Delusion”. IMO I don’t see how they could reread the first few hundred comments without cringing. The title of Steve McIntyre’s post says it all — “The Team Defends Paleo-Phrenology”. There’s probably no way they could completely purge this record, but they could make it harder to get at. I see this post is still on the Wayback Machine. I wonder if they could or would have it removed.

Jeff Id
November 21, 2015 9:18 am

A disturbance in the force – I felt my IQ go up!

Bryan
Reply to  Jeff Id
November 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Lol

November 21, 2015 9:21 am

You’ll no doubt be pleased to discover that Gavin is “Working on it”
https://twitter.com/jim_hunt/status/667691747661713408
However I have nonetheless yet to discover “How would that global cooling bet have worked out?”

November 21, 2015 9:30 am

Domain name is for SALE? Anthony, start a fund. Let’s buy it. Poetic justice. “RealClimate” A subsidiary of WUWT, et. al.

Claudius Denk
November 21, 2015 9:36 am

I’ve always thought it strange that NASA wasn’t sued for allowing its employee to use his employment, paid for by US tax dollars, to run a propaganda website. (Anybody that believes that he did this only in his spare time is a dunce.)

Severian
November 21, 2015 9:37 am

They gave the contract for keeping the site up to the same people who rolled out the Obamacare web site. Hey, what could go wrong?

Editor
Reply to  Severian
November 21, 2015 9:51 am

No, they didn’t.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 10:15 am

They gave it to Hillary’s IT man and bathroom janitor.

601nan
November 21, 2015 9:50 am

(y)
This is Royally funny!
Paris COP21 Dunkirk.
Bamber’s Invectives on Zwally.
US Congressional investigations and subpoenas to be followed by Judicial subpoenas from US District Court 1.
“Climate Science Defense Fund” run from Gavin’s office computer and co-funded by AGU membership fees.
Ha ha xD

Reply to  601nan
November 21, 2015 10:05 am

601nan on November 21, 2015 at 9:50 am
– – – – – – –
601nan,
???
John

Mike Bromley the Kurd
November 21, 2015 10:02 am

I tweeted on Climate of Gavin, A neutral-sounding snork. Screen dump on Facebook WUWT.

November 21, 2015 10:15 am

“Admit to nothing, deny everything. “

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  rishrac
November 21, 2015 10:29 am

I have a friend in Hot Springs AR who calls that “Clintonizin'”

Editor
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
November 21, 2015 11:55 am

“Clintonizing“?

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
November 22, 2015 12:45 am

Time frames are very important when making alarmists predictions/projections. CAGW keeps moving the target dates out and removing or minimizing previous statements. Hardly settled science.

Marcus
November 21, 2015 10:28 am

I told you hard drives were going to start crashing !!

docgee
November 21, 2015 10:29 am

Am I the only one sorry to see them offline? I get a kick out of rattling their chain by questioning their assumptions, demonstrating that there’s been no “long term” warming trend, reminding them about Occam’s Razor, stuff like that. And when they claim I have no right to an opinion because I’m “not a scientist,” I link to “peer reviewed” articles, offering “robust” findings they can’t easily refute. Of course, it’s like boxing with one hand tied behind me, because they can easily send my posts to the famous “Bore Hole,” or else, as has been happening more often, just disappearing them. What’s remarkable is that so much of what I write gets through, probably because they can’t resist the challenge of showing me the “error of my ways.” What’s especially interesting is when I get labeled a “troll” in posts by genuine trolls who have little of interest to write aside from platitudes and insults.

Marcus
Reply to  docgee
November 21, 2015 1:36 pm

Ah yes, the intolerance of the ” tolerant left ” ! LOL

Paul Martin
November 21, 2015 10:36 am

I can’t even see that, because the name servers for that domain currently don’t provide answers with “authority” flags set, hence my local name server software (bind9) doesn’t trust them (it logs SERVFAIL) and I get “server not found” in a browser.

Marcus
Reply to  Paul Martin
November 21, 2015 10:51 am

They are busy wiping their hard drives ” With a Cloth ?? “

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Marcus
November 21, 2015 2:48 pm

If you haven’t ever pulled the hard drive from your dead computer, and beaten it to a pulp with a sledgehammer (just in case), I’m not sure you are Presidential material 🙂

Reply to  Marcus
November 21, 2015 3:00 pm

I use drill few holes first, than give it a hummer blow.

November 21, 2015 11:10 am

Must have run out of someone else’s money.,

November 21, 2015 11:43 am

The current ‘dark’ mystery of RealClimate going dark is a good moment to do a retrospective on RealClimate.
If the creators and main management of RealClimate had a strategy to do a rehearsing of the future, then they did not rehearse very well.
If Michael Mann’s self-serving dominance of RealClimate had a key effect, then he was completely detrimental to the survivability of RealClimate.
Does the lapsing of RealClimate’s domain name signal that there may be a very quiet internal dissent going on within GISS about it’s past and current practices? Like the one going on at NOAA?
John

Editor
November 21, 2015 11:47 am

From FB:

Mike Lorrey – It’s in its autorenew period, but the registrant, ems.org, is also expired ….

For the first time in its miserable existance, SourceWatch has something useful to say, from http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Environmental_Media_Services :

Environmental Media Services (EMS) “founder and president, Arlie Schardt, has retired effective 12/31/05, and as a result EMS has ended its accomplished 13 year run. EMS operated successfully as a nonprofit communications clearinghouse dedicated to expanding media coverage of critical environmental and public health issues.
“The spirit of EMS will live on through Science Communication Network, however SCN will focus largely on environmental public health and science integrity, rather than the wide range of issues addressed previously by EMS.”

Whoa – retired in 2005? Has EMS just been coasting since then?
That quote is also at http://www.sciencecommunicationnetwork.org/ which is actively being updated.
The demise of ems.org changes everything. To renew realclimate.org, someone has to login to the registrar, and that requires knowing the account name and password.
Betsy@ems.org certainly had it, but with EMS gone, it would have taken a little while to find Betsy. I bet she doesn’t remember the password. So now they have to get a new password from the registrar who will go along – and Email the new password to betsy@ems.org. Oops. Getting account information over the phone Just Won’t Happen any time soon. The best they can hope for is to be able to renew the domain as a third party, but leave the ownership information intact, as I did with john-daly.com, and that’s not going to happen until Monday because the registrar doesn’t offer that service.
Or, they can get ems.org renewed but then they’ll probably have to get it to point to a new web host so they can recreate Betsy’s email address. Someone at SCN might have the account info for ems.org, but probably not for realclimate.org.
What a great predicament! I don’t think RealClimate will be back this weekend.

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 21, 2015 1:50 pm

The SCN site has had the same announcement about ems.org and the retiring Schardt as far back as 2008. It is not new news.
The mystery is how a defunct organization could keep the domain name alive…and what has happened with it now.

blunderbunny
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 21, 2015 6:38 pm

Not a mystery they can pay up to ten years in advance

Green Sand
November 21, 2015 12:20 pm

Dark? How apt, dark?
RC was specifically designed to stop the light of shinning upon salient data.

Rob Dawg
November 21, 2015 12:21 pm

If a tree rings in the forest does anyone hear the echo chamber?

jorgekafkazar
November 21, 2015 12:24 pm

I’m much more concerned about the fact that Climate Audit hasn’t had a post in almost two months.

kim
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 22, 2015 2:24 am

Oh, he’s always up to some good.
=============

Jos
November 21, 2015 12:37 pm

Most logical reason, they forgot to pay for web hosting. They will soon be back.

MikeN
November 21, 2015 12:38 pm

Anthony, I can confirm I visited RealClimate after the 17th. I posted a question elsewhere and used this quote from their last posting about a climate bet that they won.
“However, much more care should have been taken to self-critically examine their potential skill and emphasize their experimental nature, and the levels of certainty expressed in press releases and popular media should have been dialed way down.”
That is listed as being posted three days ago, so the site was active on the 18th.

Editor
Reply to  MikeN
November 21, 2015 1:10 pm

Given the current expiry date “Registry Expiry Date: 2016-11-19T16:39:03Z” my guess is that it expired exactly one year earlier, in the US, that would be the morning of the 19th, plus whatever time it took for the news to propagate to the DNS servers. So, it should have been fine on the 18th.

MikeN
November 21, 2015 12:39 pm

Perhaps it was taken down to keep Mark Steyn from finding something there…

November 21, 2015 12:46 pm

I’ve just looked at Realclimate’s website and I can assure all that it is a big improvement.

Bob
November 21, 2015 1:18 pm

No reason to get excited, yet. Stuff happens on the Internet, and it may be a simple thing like figuring out who is going to pay. If you look at the “Whois”, Environmental Media Services, a left-wing media outfit, is the registrant for the domain. It may be that they are tired of paying for a media effort that has resulted in a decreasing utility for dollar spent. It could be true that Schmidt and company have day jobs, and cannot fight the fight any longer.
In any event the real battle is in the political arenas, and has been all along. It was never about the science of GW because the warmists never had science on their site, or they were not on the side of science.
Or, it is becoming more and more a case of nobody gives a crap. That’s what the polls say.

Alan Robertson
November 21, 2015 1:23 pm

It’s possible that with the additional scrutiny being applied to NOAA and NASA climate pronouncements, that Dr. Gavin Schmidt’s extracurricular Realclimate.org activities (while on the clock at NASA,) were ended by orders from headquarters.
It is also possible that the RC boys are merely as sloppy with their bill payments and such, as they are with their data manipulations… which means they’ll be back, as soon as they get their stuff together. Well, figuratively together. It’s obvious to anyone with a clue, that they’re a long way from having it together.

Reply to  Alan Robertson
November 21, 2015 1:47 pm

I’ve looked at it, I’m 90% certain that it has been taken down maliciously.

Editor
Reply to  vukcevic
November 21, 2015 2:09 pm

See mine below, the domain name has been added to the Expired Domain Names list servers.
Whether that can be done maliciously or not, I do not know. Hopefully not — it would make it far too easy to delete sites from the web — I suspect that these servers are very well protected.

Reply to  vukcevic
November 21, 2015 2:14 pm

97%, surely?

Reply to  vukcevic
November 21, 2015 2:22 pm

Thanks, I just did. I went through number of links on the RC pages, at one point the Norton’s anti-virus flagged ‘computer at risk’, after immediately disconnecting broadband link, did quick scan but nothing was found. Now reconnected with full system scan in progress.

Editor
Reply to  vukcevic
November 21, 2015 3:54 pm

Wow, you just scored a big hit against your credibility in my book.

Marcus
Reply to  vukcevic
November 21, 2015 4:06 pm

Sorry, it was an accident !!

Alexb
Reply to  vukcevic
November 21, 2015 4:54 pm

I would say you are right.
My malware blocks it.

Reality Observer
Reply to  vukcevic
November 22, 2015 4:26 am

I do recall some rumblings from “Anonymous” that they were going to attack the terrorist web sites.
Looks like someone carried through?

November 21, 2015 1:50 pm

Once more:
So, today here in North East Texas, after more than 50 inches of rain.
Blue Norther we call it, 40 mph winds, some spit like rain, now cold, getting colder, to freezing tonight.
The NWS and news reports tell U S All that this first freeze in right on time, this day is the average date of first freezing.
Set my little thinking, that type of data must be ever where, for every area, easy to find, not subject to fudging and thus a way to say,,, this is all normal.
How hard to gather it all up world wide and make a real data storage and then use that to reach back as far as possible and see if the average freeze dates have been moving about or just doing the average thing still.
Must be to simple and too not in the 10,000 year time scale so that no one alive will know the results.

Marcus
November 21, 2015 1:52 pm

The rats are abandoning ship !!

November 21, 2015 1:54 pm

Not with a bang, but a whimper. Sic transit Gloria mundi …
Pointman

Editor
November 21, 2015 2:03 pm

The DNS lookup tool at http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperToolX.aspx reports:
“PWS3v2 531ms
0 b0.org.afilias-nst.org 199.19.54.1 NON-AUTH 109 ms Received 2 Referrals , rcode=NO_ERROR realclimate.org. 86400 IN NS expired2.active-dns.com, realclimate.org. 86400 IN NS expired1.active-dns.com,
1 expired2.active-dns.com 199.79.61.217 AUTH 0 ms Received 1 Answers , rcode=NO_ERROR realclimate.org. 300 IN A 208.91.197.217, ”
This means that the domain name is listed in the “Expired” list at the highest level domain servers.

November 21, 2015 2:08 pm

The domain expired two days ago ( last Thursday ) as it shows in the post’s image.

Dates Created on 2004-11-19 – Expires on 2016-11-19 – Updated on 2015-11-20

Reply to  Roy Denio
November 21, 2015 2:10 pm

[Facepalm]

Editor
Reply to  Roy Denio
November 21, 2015 2:13 pm

Denio ==> Doesn’t that say expires…2016….the “Updated on 2015-11-20” would be yesterday……as if the domain name had been cancelled or expired a year early.

Editor
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Come on guys, can’t people read some of the better explanations above before posting clueless speculation here?

Doug S
November 21, 2015 2:11 pm

OMG! We are all so guilty here. Our shared micro aggressions directed at algore and Mr. Gleick, combined with large cash payments for the fossil fuel companies have made us into monsters. I need to retreat to a safe place so I can feel guilty about not clicking on realclimate.org

Editor
Reply to  Doug S
November 21, 2015 2:13 pm

🙂 — gotta love the reference to micro-aggression!

Editor
November 21, 2015 2:21 pm

If one had included the whole WHOIS entry, we would have seen the last two lines here:
Domain Name:REALCLIMATE.ORG
Domain ID: D105219760-LROR
Creation Date: 2004-11-19T16:39:03Z
Updated Date: 2015-11-20T01:33:40Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2016-11-19T16:39:03Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Active Registrar, Inc. (R1709-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 1090
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: ok — http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Domain Status: autoRenewPeriod — http://www.icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod
Registrant ID:AR_40232047
Registrant Name:Betsy Ensley
Registrant Organization:Environmental Media Services
Registrant Street: 1320 18th St, NW
Registrant City:Washington
Registrant State/Province:DC
Registrant Postal Code:20036
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2024636670
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:betsy@ems.org
Admin ID:AR_40232047
Admin Name:Betsy Ensley
Admin Organization:Environmental Media Services
Admin Street: 1320 18th St, NW
Admin City:Washington
Admin State/Province:DC
Admin Postal Code:20036
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.2024636670
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:betsy@ems.org
Tech ID:AR_40232047
Tech Name:Betsy Ensley
Tech Organization:Environmental Media Services
Tech Street: 1320 18th St, NW
Tech City:Washington
Tech State/Province:DC
Tech Postal Code:20036
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.2024636670
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:betsy@ems.org
Name Server:EXPIRED1.ACTIVE-DNS.COM
Name Server:EXPIRED2.ACTIVE-DNS.COM

Editor
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 21, 2015 4:14 pm

Those are mostly uninteresting. To divert realclimate.com from pointing to the real site, the registration needs to be changed to a DNS server that will return the IP address of the parked domain page. So the DNS record needed to be changed to produce the change we’re seeing.
For example, look at one of my domains:

sl:html$ whois wermenh.com | grep 'Name Server'
Name Server: NS1.BIZLAND.COM
Name Server: NS2.BIZLAND.COM
sl:html$ host wermenh.com
wermenh.com has address 38.113.1.97
wermenh.com mail is handled by 30 mail.wermenh.com.
sl:html$ host werme.bizland.com
werme.bizland.com has address 38.113.1.97
werme.bizland.com mail is handled by 30 mail3.bizland-inc.net.

If you go to my web site (and you do – there are links on this page), your browser has to convert wermenh.com into an IP address. The DNS (Domain Name System, I think) does that. The .com top level domain sends the wermenh.com name to one of the name servers at bizland.com, and it responds with IP address 38.113.1.97. This just happens to be one of the systems in Bizland’s domain, which makes sense since that’s where I have my web site hosted. Whew.
Should I forget to renew the domain some year, I think I have until May, yep:

sl:html$ whois wermenh.com | grep Expiration
   Expiration Date: 04-may-2016
sl:html$ whois wermenh.com | grep Registrar:
   Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE

Next May, Melbourne will change the DNS entry for wermenh.com to point to a DNS server that will return the IP address of a web server that will put up a page that will make me panic and rush to get money to Melbourne to restore the link to Bizland. In the meantime, I’m not sure what you’ll see for the ENSO meter, but it won’t be anything like a meter.
Who knows, maybe they use EXPIRED1.ACTIVE-DNS.COM too.

H.R.
November 21, 2015 2:24 pm

“Realclimate Goes Dark.
It’s been dark for a l-o-o-o-n-g time. No sunshine there, eh?

Amatør1
November 21, 2015 2:34 pm

I believe Climategate happened on 17. November 2009. Maybe they are marking the anniversary.

Editor
Reply to  Amatør1
November 21, 2015 4:17 pm

Superb! +17.
The first story at WUWT was Nov 19, Anthony was vetting the data before he made his first post. The 1616 comments on it may still be the most for any story, I can check after dinner.
http://wermenh.com/wuwt/cat_climategate.html

Amatør1
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 3:21 am

“The breach was first discovered on 17 November 2009”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
Wikipedia say so, it must be true 😮
Actually, I remembered it myself, the zip file (I still have a copy) was uploaded to realclimate on that date. I am sure Gavin will be able to confirm it.

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 5:38 am

While Gavin would certainly be able to confirm it, this would be a very bad time to ask him something about Climategate. Go for it. 🙂
I did check – 1616 is the most comments on a post. #2 was on the second Climategate release which didn’t tell us much new, but had 1259 comments.

dp
Reply to  Amatør1
November 21, 2015 4:26 pm

The expiration date is always an anniversary of the registration date though some registrars offer perks for renewing early which causes the expiry date to advance by the perk value.

dp
November 21, 2015 4:23 pm

The same fate has befallen realclimate.com and realclimate.net. The anti-squatter domains have expired, too.

Chris
November 21, 2015 5:47 pm

I’ll speculate the reason the sites down it because mission accomplished, no longer required. The object of the entire enterprise was creating an artificial energy shortage/concentrated ownership/inflated energy prices/carbon credit financial bubble. They never had to prove their case, they simply had to create the impression in media, that a legitimately large proportion of the population were alarmed about the threat. Again, they didn’t have to prove a proportion of the population were alarmed, they had to create the impression they were. It’s all about providing the excuse of legitimacy for a fraud.
Your going to see some truly crappy laws as a result of the Paris conference, meanwhile, the fraudsters will disappear into the woodwork. The grants and funding for bogus climate models and research will dry up/disappear after the laws change, no longer needed. The savvy protest groups will move on to fighting against freedom of speech/expression/due process rights, that’s where the charitable foundation money will go next.

Reply to  Chris
November 24, 2015 7:53 am

+1

Gary in Erko
November 21, 2015 6:24 pm

It’s been running on wind.

noaaprogrammer
November 21, 2015 6:40 pm

I googled the question:
“what happened to RealClimate website”
and WattsUpWithThat was at positions 3 and 4 from the top, and the only site among the 168,000 that was pertinent to the question. No, I didn’t look at all 168,000.

Marque2
November 21, 2015 7:54 pm

You should buy the site and have ti forward to whatsupwiththat.

jaymam
November 21, 2015 7:56 pm

Wikipedia User JzG has deleted the RealClimate Alexa rating completely from Wikipedia:
15:18, 8 September 2015‎ JzG (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,750 bytes) (-274)‎ . . (→‎top: Alexa rank long out of date and not really relevant these days.)

K-Bob
November 21, 2015 7:57 pm

I yahooed realclimate and then clicked on the realclimate.org link and was sent to a website that said I was hit by a virus that infected my windows defender. Shut my computer down and am running my anti-virus and malware software to see if there was really anything there. WTF! Anyone else experience this?

K-Bob
November 21, 2015 8:32 pm

Ran Malware Bytes and it found a malicious item and had it removed (Trojan.injector.VB) . I don’t know for sure if this was from the search engine link or not, but user beware.

November 21, 2015 10:32 pm

The website has improved from yesterday. Now, in Google Chrome, it’s reported as Malware. And when I ignore the Malware warning, it redirects me to a random target page that would be linked to ads – like some discount servers in Czechia etc.

November 21, 2015 10:33 pm

I forgot to mention that the malware warning comes from an AVIRA extension of my antivirus, however.

SAMURAI
November 21, 2015 10:54 pm

All the CAGW alarmist sites have served their purpose leading up to the PARIS COP21 LEFTFEST.
I wouldn’t be surprised if many other Leftist Warmageddon websites go dark after Paris; they’ve served their propaganda purposes.
Shelptical Science will definitely continue spewing out rubbish, but certainly many other sites may soon run out of funding following Paris; #Mission Accomplished….

Amatør1
Reply to  SAMURAI
November 22, 2015 3:16 am

“Warmageddon”
That’s ambiguous. Could mean warm-ageddon or war-mageddon. Or maybe both.

November 21, 2015 11:50 pm

I went to realclimate.org – pure VIRUS site…. What is up with THAT?

Editor
Reply to  cartoonasaur
November 22, 2015 4:58 am

It means you’re too lazy to read the post and comments.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 9:58 pm

Mr. Werme – are you always this rude? You are also completely incorrect. I read ALL of the post (it was pretty new) and ALL of the comments and then surfed to the infected site, oblivious, saw that it was infected, went back to this page and commented…
I should have reloaded the page, is all…

Patrick MJD
November 22, 2015 1:01 am

There is nothing real about climate. Climate is the average of 30 years of weather, ie, it’s made up.

Leo Smith
November 22, 2015 1:18 am

Very easy to get a domain parked – typically if the email from the registrar ends up in the spam folder, or you simply miss it..
Sadly I doubt this is sinister. Its probably a human cockup.

November 22, 2015 1:42 am

Ric Werme
Wow, you just scored a big hit against your credibility in my book.
I’m not totally naïve. I have 3 hard drives on my PC, with 3 separate XP-pro windows and 4th drive is for data and science research work.
One drive’s XP is used exclusively for banking, bill payments etc, whenever credit or debit cards are used.
Second XP is used for general work, email private email (family, banking & bills), 2 auxiliary emails (various registrations etc) , WUWT and other blogging etc.
The last XP is used for various stuff, searching web and anything else that might have some risky stuff attached (as in this case).
All three XPs are individually Norton protected.
boot loader has three entries, one for each copy of XP, with default on the second drive emails, WUWT blogging etc.
Why I do this, learned hard way about a decade ago that there is no full proof protection.
Is there a safer method without using separate PC’s ?

Editor
Reply to  vukcevic
November 22, 2015 5:22 am

I use Linux, but with Unix experience going back to PDP-11 days, I find it user friendly. (Unix is picky about who it befriends.) Windows has gotten better, but it is time to move beyond XP, though at this point it’s so old that virus writers may not be targeting it. I have Windows 7 on my laptop, which pretty much doesn’t get used much except for Income Tax season.
I use an old version Moneydance for financial stuff, checks, download credit card info, stock prices, etc. My website is done by editing raw HTML. (And it shows – a coworker looked at my site one day and exclaimed “How retro!” Sigh.)
If I get interested in some really dodgy web site I might download webpages, look at it with a text based browser like lynx, or use another Linux account that doesn’t have access to my files.
I run apache, though my databases are probably vulnerable to some trivial SQL attacks in some dumb CGI scripts. I run sshd for remote logins, but have it listening to a non-standard port, too many systems knock at the standard port. The router doesn’t let much of anything else through.
I did have a couple breaches more than 10 years ago. One from a guest account I temporarily had a guessable password on but forgot, one from a NFS-related attack that I had heard about at work where I was responsible for NFS development. That was on one of my first home Linuxes, the default configuration had NFS partially setup, and had the vulnerability running.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 11:19 am

@Rick Werme:
Nothing wrong with having an old copy of XP laying around… provided you don’t use it for web surfing or anything requiring encryption.
I started on PDP-11 machines also, moved to Unix about 1982? and Linux when it got good enough. Oh, and 7 years at Apple gave a good collection of Mac machines (and some Apple IIs). Yes, I’ve gotten into the Unix that is under the skins of the Mac. I like it better there… Real Machines have a Command Line Terminal 😉
Yet over in the corner is an XP machine. Almost always turned off, but with an assortment of various MS programs and files that only MS seems to understand. A few at a time I convert things off, or let them age into the dust bin. I still use it some times for “retro stuff” that’s become current again. I.e. digging in the archives. It also lets me download things that “only run on a PC” and use them (For example, I used it to make my first Raspberry Pi images. Since then I’ve used the R.Pi to make further copies of NOOBS and Berryboot install chips).
I also have an HP Laptop with Windows 7 on it, but the fan has died, so running longer than about 10 minutes is rolling the dice on the heat shutdown process 😉 “Maybe Someday” I’ll get the fan fixed. And the dead battery replaced. And the worn out keyboard replaced. And… Yet that XP desktop keeps on running…
Do I use it for banking? NO! The encryption is quite inadequate these days and the “security” was never up to the task. Do I use if for browsing “random sites”? NO! Even with AV on it, you will be hacked bagged and tagged eventually.
I have ‘custom built’ systems for that. (“Disposible Systems on a Chip” are very easy with the Raspberry Pi Model 2 – https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/building-a-nearly-tails-raspbian-pi/ ) For about $60 all up ( https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/raspberry-pi-m2-unboxing-and-setup/ )you can get a ‘reasonable’ system for low weight browsing ( https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/what-is-enough-arm-cpu-speed/ ) that’s pretty darned secure ( https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/encrypted-berryboot-way-too-easy/ )and not hard to learn. Each new ‘system image’ is the cost of a micro-SD card, or about $8 for the Class 10 16GB one I just bought. Not bad at all. Other parts of the R.Pi story are near the top page or two of the “tech” category: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/tech-bits/page/6/ and cover hardware, software, encrypting files, running TOR, and more. So I’m not exactly a “light weight” when it comes to computing or *Nix…
Yet over in that corner sits the XP box… Used about once a month for “something” that comes up… (It is set up to dual boot with CentOS – Red Hat for the Enterprise basically – as the alternative OS, so it isn’t like the space is wasted…) I suspect it is the LAST MS Monstrosity I’ll ever buy as anything newer than Windows 7 has been a gross mistake in interface design and with ever increasing “back door” probability for the NSA. So you can expect me to be using XP in 2020 and more… just not for much and not very often…

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 1:11 pm

EMS
Thanks for the info. I regularly do ordinary scans as well as the Norton Power Eraser, on the ‘junk’ XP drive I occasionally find some high risk stuff, on the ‘blogging XP’ usually tracking cookies, but the ‘money’ XP drive so far so good. .

Yirgach
Reply to  vukcevic
November 22, 2015 3:42 pm

Just generally speaking, people running modern AV (Anti Virus) protection are always subject to a detection lag caused by the malware getting in before the AV is aware of it.
I have personally seen whole corporations brought down to their knees in minutes over crypto ransom ware infections.
Your only defense are daily backups which are stored offline as well as a quarantine of all incoming .ZIP email attachments and subsequent checkout at virustotal.com (which now is a Google subsidiary).
Driveby web infections on clueless users with admin privileges are your own unfortunate problem…

November 22, 2015 2:27 am

Unfortunately it sounds like Realclimate.org may be back on line shortly to annoy us, yet again, with wall to wall nonsense.

November 22, 2015 3:42 am

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

November 22, 2015 4:02 am

Looks like someone (or something – bizarre) has taken over the RC website as from this morning.
Scary, creepy, sinister ! Much worse than we thought. 🙂

Editor
Reply to  vukcevic
November 22, 2015 5:29 am

It looks the same to me as it did yesterday, i.e. like the OP above. Oh wait, I went to reload the one frame it displays and the line items changed. Same general appearance though.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 6:45 am

Thanks for the info further above. I went there with my ‘dodgy’ drive, there was a video about making mone, so let it run for a 4-5 seconds, then did a scan. Norton found ‘Sape.installCore.249a’ virus which is meant to take remote control of the pc.

November 22, 2015 5:54 am

Merely coincidental, of course, that ClimateScience goes dark within a day or two of the 6th anniversary of Climategate 1.
John

Reply to  John Whitman
November 22, 2015 6:02 am

Reposting my immediately above comment. New version has ‘RealClimate’ instead of ‘ClimateScience’.
– – – – – – –
Merely coincidental, of course, that RealClimate goes dark within a day or two of the 6th anniversary of Climategate 1.
John

Amatør1
Reply to  John Whitman
November 22, 2015 7:28 am

“Merely coincidental, of course, that RealClimate goes dark within a day or two of the 6th anniversary of Climategate 1.”

The Climategate is now closed. 🙂

Editor
November 22, 2015 7:06 am

I’m curious as to when RealClimate returns from its current zombie state, so I created a crontab entry and shell script to log its whois data every hour. It will be easy to see when things change, the file name is the date/time of the query:

sl:rc$ sum *
49543     3 Nov-22.09:00
49543     3 Nov-22.10:00
27611     1 rc.sh
39899     1 rc.sh~

The first column is a checksum, it will change with nearly any change to its DNS record.
I’m not expecting them to get things straightened out until mid morning Monday at the earliest.

November 22, 2015 9:54 am

showing just whitepage now indicative of php/chmod issues.
I bet they got some wordpress base64 ,malware and someone messed with them

Editor
Reply to  dmacleo
November 22, 2015 11:23 am

In trying to figure out your comment, I clicked on your name, which took me to a broken website, http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ . Looks like it could use some help too.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 22, 2015 4:03 pm

server decomissioned and forgot to unlink username.
so no, no help needed.

TiredOfWikipedia
November 22, 2015 2:41 pm

“WUWT is drivel, as any fule kno. For the present, see https://twitter.com/ericsteig/status/668450513252253696?lang=en-gb William M. Connolley (talk) 18:30, 22 November 2015 (UTC)” and “Wot rot! Eric Steig helpfully advises; “RealClimate is down! Will be fixed. But meanwhile, please refer to http://realclimate-backup.org ” . . dave souza, talk 18:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:RealClimate#Realclimate.org_goes_dark_.E2.80.93_is_it_permanent.3F

Editor
Reply to  TiredOfWikipedia
November 22, 2015 7:47 pm

http://realclimate-backup.org – Every link I click goes to some weird site or complains the server is unavailable.
A real backup site would never do something that weird, it’s almost enough to make me think Steig et al set it up to see how people would look at it. Scratch that, I have no evidence. Take a look, but don’t do it with an old version of Windows or browser.

Editor
Reply to  TiredOfWikipedia
November 22, 2015 8:06 pm

No, I see what may be going on. Realclimate-backup.org’s web pages is still referencing realclimate.org for some Javascript and CSS files. I think the expired web site host is providing either malicious replies or random pages it’s collected (some which may be malicious) and that’s telling my web browser to do some weird stuff. That may be what’s causing other people to see malware popping up on old PCs.
I have a plugin I can used to disable things like CSS and Javascript, doing that lets me navigate around that site. There’s a good chance this is also happening with attempts to navigate around realclimate.org. Unfortunately, I need those to be able to post there, or perhaps no one can post there.
I recommend you not go to realclimate or realclimate-backup with CSS and Javascript enabled. Install and enable Flashblock too!
Better – don’t go there at all until they get their domain screwup under control.

Robert Troth
November 22, 2015 4:26 pm

For what it’s worth, on 11/22/15, entering RealClimate.org in my browser yields wildly random results, from Home Depot to Celebhush.com.

Editor
Reply to  Robert Troth
November 22, 2015 9:40 pm

Can you tell me exactly what the URL was that you used? When I use simply http://realclimate.org I get something like the image in the OP. However, when I use http://realclimate.org/foo.html, I got redirected to http://www.directexpose.com/11-celebrities-that-lost-all-their-money/?…
I haven’t tried pages like index.html, but given that the stand-in web server doesn’t have a copy of RealClimate’s site, I bet they’re seeing a reference deeper into the site and turn that into the weird references we’re seeing. That’s distinctly unfriendly behavior, but I bet they do it to try to get people to put pressure on the site owner to get off their butt and pay the renewal fee.

Robert Troth
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 23, 2015 9:13 am

I simply typed realclimate.org, no www or http. Today that takes me to YAHOO!.

Jimmy Haigh
November 22, 2015 6:06 pm

I haven’t been near Real Climate for a couple of years now. It’s a pretty sordid place and I always felt a bit queasy every time I visited it. My favourite Real Climate nutter has to be “Mad Dhog” Dhogaza. Whatever happened to him?

CStack DrPH
November 22, 2015 9:03 pm

I actually enjoyed popping in on RealClimate.org once in a while, especially when there was a significant news story regarding climate etc. It was fun to see all of the supplicant poodles, yapping for their master!

November 22, 2015 10:41 pm

Error. Page cannot be displayed. Please contact your service provider for more details.
Just now…

November 22, 2015 10:45 pm

The domain name realclimate.org has expired – Click here to renew it
I don’t think I will…

Editor
November 23, 2015 8:59 am

This is cool, from my work system, realclimate.org appears to have ceased to exist:
$ host realclimate.org
Host realclimate.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
This does not imply that they will never come back, but suggests to me that they’re having at least as much trouble renewing the domain as I thought they might.
It may also be merely part of the process of updating a domain. I still see it via https://www.whois.net/ .
Oh wait a minute, they have a really stale entry from before the recent unpleasantness. Let me save it here!
Domain Name:REALCLIMATE.ORG
Domain ID: D105219760-LROR
Creation Date: 2004-11-19T16:39:03Z
Updated Date: 2014-11-18T11:13:02Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2015-11-19T16:39:03Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Active Registrar, Inc. (R1709-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 1090
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: ok — http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Registrant ID:AR_40232047
Registrant Name:Betsy Ensley
Registrant Organization:Environmental Media Services
Registrant Street: 1320 18th St, NW
Registrant City:Washington
Registrant State/Province:DC
Registrant Postal Code:20036
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2024636670
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:betsy@ems.org
Admin ID:AR_40232047
Admin Name:Betsy Ensley
Admin Organization:Environmental Media Services
Admin Street: 1320 18th St, NW
Admin City:Washington
Admin State/Province:DC
Admin Postal Code:20036
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.2024636670
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:betsy@ems.org
Tech ID:AR_40232047
Tech Name:Betsy Ensley
Tech Organization:Environmental Media Services
Tech Street: 1320 18th St, NW
Tech City:Washington
Tech State/Province:DC
Tech Postal Code:20036
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.2024636670
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:betsy@ems.org
Name Server:NS1.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:NS2.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:NS3.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:NS4.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
DNSSEC:Unsigned

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 23, 2015 9:13 am

Ric,
Buy it if you can! I’ll contribute…

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 23, 2015 5:50 pm

“whois realclimate.org” has been reporting the same parked status here all day. I wonder the IT folks at work have done something to not accept anything that involves realclimate.org’s current DNS server. That’s beyond my skills, and it’s not worth it to me to learn about it.

November 23, 2015 9:28 am

This could end up in a recursion issue… Unless “SK Creations” is itself an indirection to the actual actors behind the scenes…
http://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=realclimate.org
as noted above, points to betsy@ems.org:

Registrant Contact
Name: Betsy Ensley
Organization: Environmental Media Services
Mailing Address: 1320 18th St, NW, Washington DC 20036 US
Phone: +1.2024636670
Email:betsy@ems.org

In Wash. D.C. But… when one looks up ems.org, one finds it IS presently registered:

Registrant Contact
Name: Domain Administrator
Organization: SK Creations, Inc.
Mailing Address: PO Box 357401, Gainesville Florida 32635 US
Phone: +1.3522141876
Email: scrsteven@gmail.com

To someone in Gainesville Florida.

Updated Date: 2015-06-22
Created Date: 1995-10-03
Registration Expiration Date: 2016-10-02

Now it looks to have been in place for about 20 years, but maybe that’s just the “GoDaddy” registrar

Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146

In any case, it has about a year to run, so it looks to me like maybe someone picked it up (or at least renewed it) in October 2015. If they don’t have a ‘betsy’, this could take a while to unwind 😉

About Sk Creations, Inc.
Sk Creations, Inc. is located at 9708 NW 59th Pl, Gainesville, FL. This business specializes in Professional Services.

Not very informative as to what they do… so maybe they are a domain parking agency, or maybe they are the lawyer for ems.org or maybe… well, who knows what. But they don’t look like “Environmental Media Services”…

Editor
Reply to  E.M.Smith
November 23, 2015 9:51 am

Hmm, yesterday, I thought ems.org was expired. Perhaps it is still valid, but the actual ems.org server has been shutdown. Or something like that. At any rate, like I said yesterday, I think they can find Betsy, but if she doesn’t remember the account name and password, someone may have to recreate ems.org with a mail box so that Realclimate’s registrar can send password reminder Email there.
Gavin must be pulling his hair out by now. Oh wait….
Of course, given he’s the director of NASA-GISS, he may spend most of his workdays in meetings, so perhaps one of the other RealClimate folk there is taking the day off from GISS work to try to straighten out this mess.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer group. 🙂

November 23, 2015 9:38 am

Hmmm…..
http://skdomains.com/ kicks up a bland and nearly useless top page that says:
Welcome
Welcome to SK Creations, Inc.
We specialize in website development, domain names, search engine optimization, and internet marketing.
Same folks? Different folks? Their site does not seem to show a top ‘about’ button to see if they are the same SK Creations, Inc in the same place or not. but:
http://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=skdomains.com is more enlightening:

Registrant Contact
Name: Domain Administrator
Organization: SK Creations, Inc.
Mailing Address: PO Box 357401, Gainesville Florida 32635 United States
Phone: +1.3522141876
Email:scrsteven@gmail.com

Looks like the same folks. So someone who does “website development” now has the ems.org domain name… but it isn’t presently in use (since clicking on it gets you to a name broker trying to sell it to you, er, me).
FWIW, I’ve put in a request for more info from the broker. IFF it sells for $24.99 or less, I might buy it just since it matches my initials 😉 but they were going on about 3 letter domains being ‘scarce’ and often in the ‘5 figures’ range … so I mostly don’t expect anything to come of it.
BUT…
IFF Env.Media let their name lapse, they could be looking at a ‘5 figures’ cost to get it back, and then put betsy’s email back in place, and then get the re-reg email to work, and…
Couldn’t happen to nicer folks… 😉

Reply to  E.M.Smith
November 23, 2015 9:44 am

Mike Smith,
Please, buy it. If you need a donation, just ask…

Reply to  dbstealey
November 23, 2015 9:44 pm

Well, I’m still waiting for a “price quote”.
I’ll let folks know if it is a matter of funding. As of now, I don’t even know how many quarters she wants….

MattN
November 23, 2015 10:56 am

Somebody please buy it. And then have it redirect to wattupwiththat.

kim
November 23, 2015 3:35 pm

Well, I’d disappear a damning indictment if I could.
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David Gaw
November 23, 2015 7:29 pm

Tweet from John P. Reisman earlier today: “@RealClimate There is an issue with http://realclimate.org and they are working on it. Meantime use http://realclimate-backup.org

Editor
November 23, 2015 10:17 pm

Well, it looks like they finally made it back. Betsy and ems.org are gone, there seem to be a number of loose ends to deal with:
sl:moneydance$ whois realclimate.org
Domain Name:REALCLIMATE.ORG
Domain ID: D105219760-LROR
Creation Date: 2004-11-19T16:39:03Z
Updated Date: 2015-11-24T05:57:50Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2025-11-19T16:39:03Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Active Registrar, Inc. (R1709-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 1090
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: ok — http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Domain Status: renewPeriod — http://www.icann.org/epp#renewPeriod
Domain Status: autoRenewPeriod — http://www.icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod
Registrant ID:AR_48575015
Registrant Name:Whois Manager
Registrant Organization:Whois Proof LLP
Registrant Street: PO Box 4120
Registrant City:Portland
Registrant State/Province:OR
Registrant Postal Code:97208-4120
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2024700599
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.8663666681
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:arr7244u7au@whoisproof.com
Admin ID:AR_48575015
Admin Name:Whois Manager
Admin Organization:Whois Proof LLP
Admin Street: PO Box 4120
Admin City:Portland
Admin State/Province:OR
Admin Postal Code:97208-4120
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.2024700599
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.8663666681
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:arr7244u7au@whoisproof.com
Tech ID:AR_48575015
Tech Name:Whois Manager
Tech Organization:Whois Proof LLP
Tech Street: PO Box 4120
Tech City:Portland
Tech State/Province:OR
Tech Postal Code:97208-4120
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.2024700599
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.8663666681
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:arr7244u7au@whoisproof.com
Name Server:NS1.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:NS2.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:NS3.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:NS4.WEBFACTION.COM
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
DNSSEC:Unsigned
From my watching program:
$ sum Nov* | tail -5
49543 3 Nov-23.21:00
49543 3 Nov-23.22:00
49543 3 Nov-23.23:00
49543 3 Nov-24.00:00
14816 3 Nov-24.01:00
This says the DNS record changed between midnight and 1 AM.
They have a bit of an explanation on the site. I’ll go read it so you don’t have to. 🙂

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 23, 2015 10:35 pm

Here’s their explanation. The references to realclimate-backup.org appear stale, I think they got their real site back, but they do still have links to realclimate-backup. Apparently one issue is that they can’t get in contact with the Registrar that held the registration. That may no longer be an issue. Beyond that it looks like things went pretty much as I surmised.
I have to get one dig in – people often insult skeptics who aren’t climate scientists. However, the field is so large, that people with many backgrounds bring good information and skills to the topic. It seems to me that the Realclimate folks need to get more out more. Many of the denizens here at WUWT can set up a web site, I’m surprised that RealClimate didn’t get this resolved months ago – they realized it was a problem then.
They did have some interesting challenges, but still, someone at RealClimate should have been able to figure out how to deal with them or breakdown and ask for directions.
Welcome back, anyway.
-Ric
http://realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/11/reports-of-our-demise/ say:
Reports of our demise…
Filed under:
Climate Science Communicating Climate
— gavin @ 23 November 2015
… have of course been greatly exaggerated. But we are having some issues with our domain name. The back story is perhaps interesting to others, so here is quick summary of the situation.
Update: The account details have been restored and the domains renewed. We should be back to normal in a couple of days.
Way back when we first started, hosting for RealClimate was provided by Environmental Media Services (EMS). They owned the domain and let us use their internet service provider. As anyone could see from the whois data, the domain name itself was set up by one Betsy Ensley at ems.org. None of us knew Betsy, or as far as I can tell, have even met her (Betsy, if you are reading, please drop us a line!).
Over the years, things changed. The main force behind EMS was Arlie Schardt who retired in 2005. After that EMS morphed into a different kind of organisation, the Science Communication Network (SCN) which is mostly focused on environmental health issues. But still, the domain name for RealClimate.org had years to go, and so no-one changed anything in the registration.
After a few years under the SCN ISP account, we went it alone a couple of years ago. This is probably something we should have done at the start, but we were scientists, not website engineers. We still aren’t web gurus, but experience over the years has made this far easier. Nonetheless, the domainame was still registered with Betsy. This wouldn’t have been a problem, but Betsy long ago left EMS, so the email bounces, the phone number has long been out-of-service and SCN has no records of Betsy’s online accounts, and this domain registration is not part of their portfolio.
This is where it gets tricky. The domainname registration was with Active-Domain.com. If you go to their website, there is no way to get in touch with them except through their contact form – no phone numbers, addresses etc. And quite often in our experience, their contact form doesn’t work at all. We have been trying for months to get hold of someone at Active-Domain.com to ask what would be required to amend the registration info to something current. Unfortunately, no responses have been forthcoming, and frankly, this slipped off our radar.
On Nov 16, the registration actually expired. For some people, going to realclimate.org led you to a page asking you to renew the registration, but without the Betsy Ensley’s or the EMS login credentials you can’t do anything. None of the emails and support tickets we have sent since to Active-Domain.com have been responded to. Worse, some people have reported that the domain has in fact been hijacked to point to some malware and spammer sites. Website hijacking is of course a big deal – as this recent Science News story about journal websites makes clear.
We now have this temporary domain realclimate-backup.org set up, and we’ll continue here for the time being, but obviously, we’d like our original domain back.
So, a few requests for our readers: Does anyone know anyone at Active-Domain.com that we can actually talk to? Similarly, does anyone have any experience amending out-of-date domain registration records? What is actually required? Given the state of flux in URLs, we imagine that this must be quite a common occurrence. We obviously would like to deal with this before the domain becomes free again, so any suggestions are welcome.
In the meantime, please let people know that archived content from realclimate.org is available here. We will maintain this backup site for as long as necessary. And of course, it’s now our registration, so hopefully that shouldn’t be too hard!

kim
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 24, 2015 1:00 am

Heh, ‘slipped off our radar’. Mebbe they should use microwaves.
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Man Bearpig
November 24, 2015 1:01 am

That seems to have done the trick … completely vanished now. Well done the guys at realclimate. How’s the modeling going?

KenW
Reply to  Man Bearpig
November 25, 2015 10:37 am

maybe Harry is on vacation?

Dermod
November 24, 2015 2:36 am

Proud to say I got banned from RealClimate while trying to make the case for gravtational energy in planetary atmospheres.
The guys at RealClimate did not seem to grasp the role of gravitational energy in planetary mechanics.

Editor
November 24, 2015 5:19 am

Sigh, if it’s not one thing, it’s another. Now they report HTTP error 503:

Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

Or, straight from the horse’s mouth:

$ wget realclimate.org
–2015-11-24 08:05:31– http://realclimate.org/
Resolving realclimate.org (realclimate.org)… 108.168.205.78
Connecting to realclimate.org (realclimate.org)|108.168.205.78|:80… connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response… 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
2015-11-24 08:05:37 ERROR 503: Service Temporarily Unavailable.

My first guess is they’ve changed web hosts along the way and have exceeded their monthly bandwidth already. Not sure how they could have done that. Perhaps just from uploading everything, so I could well be wrong.
They’re currently handled by webfaction for both DNS and content:
sl:moneydance$ host realclimate.org
realclimate.org has address 108.168.205.78
realclimate.org mail is handled by 10 mx9.webfaction.com.
realclimate.org mail is handled by 10 mx7.webfaction.com.
realclimate.org mail is handled by 10 mx8.webfaction.com.
sl:moneydance$ host 108.168.205.78
78.205.168.108.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer web83.webfaction.com.
So that’s all new.
I don’t understand this. I tried realclimate-backup.org too. My browser reports error 503 from them, but wget reports 403:

$ wget realclimate-backup.org
–2015-11-24 08:08:26– http://realclimate-backup.org/
Resolving realclimate-backup.org (realclimate-backup.org)… 108.168.205.78, 2607:f0d0:1101:84:11::2e
Connecting to realclimate-backup.org (realclimate-backup.org)|108.168.205.78|:80… connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response… 403 Forbidden
2015-11-24 08:08:26 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

Oh, now wget is getting 403 errors from realclimate.org. https://www.webfaction.com/ does work.
Oh well I don’t know what’s up other than their nightmare week continues.

KenW
Reply to  Anthony Watts
November 25, 2015 9:36 am

Gee Anthony, maybe you should offer host them in a subdomain at WUWT. Most of their traffic probably comes from here anyway. ;-))

MCourtney
Reply to  Anthony Watts
November 26, 2015 4:12 am

That’s not a bad idea, actually.

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 24, 2015 6:35 pm

Kinda makes me appreciate the wisdom of using a free WordPress blog. 🙂

November 24, 2015 3:19 pm

According to RC’s backup site, “we were scientists, not website engineers”. Really? I thought they were PR men.

MCourtney
Reply to  James Pickett (@fjpickett)
November 26, 2015 4:13 am

They were scientists.
They are PR men.

November 25, 2015 2:41 pm

They can talk around and over it all they want but the bottom line is this. RealClimate includes climate modelers. Climate models are some of the most complicated programs ever written, requiring remembering thousands of important details over years of development. If RealClimate can’t even remember to keep its domain name renewed or even how to do this — and all RealClimate is is its domain name — can anyone really have any faith in these climate models? Enough to radically change the world economy and condemn billions to drastically reduced standards of living?

November 26, 2015 12:49 am

1. Call Al Gore.

November 26, 2015 12:51 am

2. Turn over some of you grant money to koogle klimate kooks and let them hide the decline for you.

November 26, 2015 12:52 am

3. Lay down the lies in front of you, back out of the room, run to your mommies.

Xyzzy11
November 28, 2015 9:29 pm

I just noticed that realclimate.org is back up It looks like they may have forgotten to pay their domain name hosting bill;-)

Charles Curley
December 2, 2015 9:54 am

Just for the halibut, I just tried http://realclimate.org/ and got:
Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
The top of my browser window says, “503 Service Temorarily Unavailable”.
Apparently they expect to be in business for a while. whois now reports:
Registry Expiry Date: 2025-11-19T16:39:03Z
Compared to, e.g. Ric Werme’s report of November 21, 2015 at 7:41 am
Registry Expiry Date: 2016-11-19T16:39:03Z
Apparently ownership of the domain name has changed:
Registrant ID:AR_48575015
Registrant Name:Whois Manager
Registrant Organization:Whois Proof LLP
Registrant Street: PO Box 4120
Registrant City:Portland
Registrant State/Province:OR
Registrant Postal Code:97208-4120
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2024700599
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.8663666681
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:arr7244u7au@whoisproof.com
Although one might wonder why an outfit in Oregon has a District of Columbia phone number.
But the domain is still listed as
Domain Status: ok — http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
I.e. the new registrar has not switched the status to some other status, such as clientTransferProhibited.
So, can we reasonably conclude from the fact that they registered the domain name all the way until 2015 that they do not expect the planet to roast by then?