Josh writes: With COP21 coming up there is an alternative conference being organised.
The Paris Climate Challenge
In 2009 we laid down the Copenhagen Climate Challenge, when we asked UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon to answer 10 questions about climate. We’re back to ask the same and more questions, and challenge the climate ‘consensus’ in Paris at COP 21 with alternative climate hypotheses. If you have something to say in Paris, we still have places for a few more speakers. Take some time to navigate our pages, you can leave a comment if you’d like to say something in response to the articles backing up our 10 questions to Ban Ki-Moon below.
Head over to this site to read all about it.
Wow, quite the list of signators. Several missing that were expected however…..
Who do you consider missing? Top 3? GK
I am worried about the veracity of this list.
I’ve emailed JoNova to see if David Evans has put his name to it
I also know that Stewart Franks is now at UTas, moved from Uni of Newcastle a few years ago.
Can anyone help verify that people on this list have actually signed it, and its not a bogus list.
Sorry.. skeptical 😉
OK.. I goofed… big time… 🙁
The initial list of questions is from 2009.. Stewart Franks was at Uni Newcastle then.
link to supposed signatories.. http://pcc15.org/expert-signatories/
Phillipe Verdier should be there
+1
Suggested theme song for this effort:
“The Impossible Dream”
from MAN OF LA MANCHA (1972)
music by Mitch Leigh and lyrics by Joe Darion
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause
And I know if I’ll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I’m laid to my rest
And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star
“The Impossible Dream” — performed by Luther Vandross
(youtube)
Remember!
“With God, ALL things are possible.”
NEVER give up!
#(:))
Janice!
Good to see you back.
And you’re right that hope still stands.
Yet I fear God won’t over rule the sinful pride that seeks to keep 3rd world poor.
Yes I agree too. I was just thinking the same. Good to see you Janice.
Hi Janice nice to hear from you again
michael
Matthew, Patrick, and Michael,
(smile) Hi! (smile, smile)
Good to see you all. And how kind of you to give me a wave of the hand. I’ve been pedaling up a steep hill for several months, now. Had to take everything non-essential out of my backpack, including, sadly, WUWT time. I just couldn’t, nevertheless, resist posting the above song… very meaningful to me.
Matt — hope your happy new chapter with your bride is full of so much joy you are amazed. On a more sombre note, how is your dad?
Patrick — still praying about…. “her” — OH, YES, I AM!
#(:)) … don’t look back… she isn’t there…. THAT bimbo (must have been a real winner, oh, brother) is waaay down the river, now… –> “her” is in the future!{yes, yes, you never ASKED me to pray about that}
Mike — glad YOU are still here, plugging away at getting the truth out (and coming up with lots of nifty quotes and analogies from literature and the like, no doubt).
Aaaaaaa! I am SO burned out over handling what has made my pathway steep that I am just throwing in the towel and talking here today. My apologies to all who accidentally read this, lololol. God is REAL, O Ghost of Jim — bwah, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaa! Hey, use the distress I caused you as an excuse to go have another bowl of ice cream! THUS, you should be grateful I showed up. What’s that you say? Indigestion? Oh.
#(:))
Over.
Janice
P.S. Good for all of you who are still here, still getting the truth out! Hurrah for the WUWT commenters!! The best!
Good to see you are back Janice. I have missed your posts.
Thank you, so much, for those kind words, Monna M. — are you new to WUWT? Or (whispering)… didyouchangeyourname?
Thanks for that – I listened/watched the whole video…jpp
I’ve been here a while. I just read far more than I post.
Nice to hear from you again Janice, sorry to hear you have had a tough time of it lately.
I’m becoming more and more of the idea that these Bible quotes seem to fit what is going on with the UN and many governments.
Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth take there stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One?
Psalm 2:1,2
Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace”, when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it in whitewash,
Ezekiel 13:10
You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain.
Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.
For I know how many are your offences and how great your sins.
You oppress the righteous and take bribes and you deprive the poor of justice in the courts.
Therefore the prudent man keeps quiet in such times, for the times are evil.
Amos 5:11-13
James Bull
Dear Janice:
It is so good to see you are still here. Please observe that contrary to all predictions, I am still here, and I hope my experience serves as an example that nothing is certain.
I remind you that someone much wiser than me said, “Sometimes there is no way to drive out this sort but prayer”. Your problems – whatever they be – are in my prayer.
Richard
I would like to add my words of welcome back to you too Janice. Just so you know, it is people like you and Richard Courtney etc. who make a difference in a world which otherwise would have gone mad. Many contributors here have been so informative and inspirational. If the term D*nier, is to be applied to you (us) it means the d*nial of free passage of the lunacy, that the Alarmed ones would like to impose on the rest of us.
Stay strong, keep well.
Regards, Eamon.
Wow!! Isn’t that neat?! It was counterintuitive, but, ADDING WUWT into my backpack makes pedaling up the hill EASIER. Thank you, so much, for all that encouragement! One of the saddest things about this past year was losing the correspondence of a very dear pen pal. I just crumpled up. Thank you for the cup of cold water, here.
Monna M — glad you piped up — hope you do it more often; to quote (from memory only) that great commenter John Hultquist, “You know things. Share.” (April, 2013)
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James Bull — Amen. And yet… we must bear in mind that “there is nothing new under the Sun.” (Ecclesiastes, passim) The tide of wickedness (as in l1es about the climate, here) may rise and fall, but, it has always been with us. And — oh, joy! — it always will be…. until….. the End. There is, nevertheless, hope: one day, ONE DAY (smile), God will say, “Enough,” and Time will no longer exist, all will be “Now.” Forever and ever.
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Eamon! — (smile) Thank YOU! You, on that beautiful-but-bewitched (as to truth about CO2 and about nuclear power — GO, NUCLEAR POWER!) isle, are a stalwart, steady, warrior for truth. So glad you are out there.
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Dear Richard,
Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to say so.
So, the “models” projected that Richard S. Courtney’s shadow would no longer cool the roses drooping in the blazing August sunshine as he passed by. Very glad to hear that the “reports of [your] death were greatly exaggerated.”
It reminds me of one of my favorite lines in the movie “African Queen.” Upon being confronted by the rescuing ships’ captains blustering something like:
— “B — b– but… . But no one could make it down those falls!!”
— Katherine Hepburn lifts her chin a little and replies: “Nevertheless.”
#(:))
Thank you for praying. “With God, all things are possible.” Prayer is the key. Thankfully, I am well, making me wealthy, indeed, hm? The trouble lies elsewhere. “And if not…”** (Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego to Nebuchadnezzar just before being thrown into the fiery furnace), even if all is swamp and wilderness from here on, all is yet well, for, around the last bend in the road is: home. And truly, “Our little time of trouble is not worthy of our first night’s welcome home.” {Samuel Rutherford}
With affection and prayers,
Janice
** Yes, I recall that you gallant British used that very quote during WWII to say, essentially: We will NEVER give up. Even if God does NOT rescue our soldiers off Dunkirk, we will trust in our God. What a noble people are the British, in many respects: like that hero of the faith, Job, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in Him.” Well. To end on a note of comfort: “Do not mistake my seeming silence for my absence.” {your loving Abba who will “never leave you nor forsake you,” whose “love endures forever}
Janice, welcome back.
Cheers!
And, thank you, to you, Bob Tisdale, Climate Researcher Extraordinaire.
Janice:
Please add my voice to the other WUWT denizens! Welcome back! Frolic, lurk or post here frequently.
Though all of your paths are uphill, May any path you choose lead to evermore lush brighter fragrant and thriving life!
Pen pals may not be forever, but conversations with those people need not ever end. Writing is only one method of communication.
Alarming that the world seems to be under the control of a climate Quixotearchy, with the Quixotocrats descending on Paris in December!
Paris is coming…
Wonderful!
Same old garbage from admad.
Hint: Old style synthetic voices do not sing, they do not even “sing”.
Even by the relaxed standards of internet blogging, this stuff is really just crap.
Any chance firetoice2014 is one of your sock puppets?
No!
Hic!
No need for insults. If you don’t want to listen, then keep scrolling down. Demeaning others doesn’t make you superior … it just makes you rude.
TonyL sorry you didn’t enjoy. I have zero budget for this stuff and a full-time job (which you might well say I would be well advised to keep) so time to produce something professional is, shall we say limited.
I consider that the most effective way to get back at warmists is through satire since we already know logic and reason ain’t gonna work.
With 40,000 delegates expected the local French organizers are going to have their hands full just trying to sex-service each delegate with two prostitutes per day. Out of the 40,000 they can expect about two thirds to be from third world countries whose delegates will expect to be sex-serviced by children prostitutes. That means the French will have to ship in about 54,000 children prostitutes age 10 and younger per day.
And Missure H’Lorand expects the French citizens to pay for this through taxation.
Ha ha
Your mind must be a rather dark place, dude.
That rather off-beam, old boy!
Hey, that’s a rather unpleasant thing to accuse them of. Very unfair on those from the 3rd world too.
Worthy of a ‘snip’, I would have thought…
Not unfair. Child prostitution is worse in developing countries.
India has the most (and not just because of the pervert Pachauri), but Brazil and Thailand have the highest rates, as nearly as UNICEF can tell.
Suggested theme song for the COPs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h7E5rtnFH4
Camelot
Broadway Musical
Music by Ken Darby, Frederick Loewe
Lyrics by Alan Jay Lerner
ARTHUR:
It’s true! It’s true! The crown has made it clear.
The climate must be perfect all the year.
A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That’s how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it gives a person pause,
But in Camelot, Camelot
Those are the legal laws.
The snow may never slush upon the hillside.
By nine p.m. the moonlight must appear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.
Nice (or, rather, Paris, lololo) choice. Camelot…. purely fantasy. Like AGW.
I would like to ask him one question:
Is CO2 pollution?
I notice that the 10 items are not in question form. Is there a reason for that?
Oh, I hadn’t clicked on the “expert discussion” links – that’s when it is stated as a question…
J. Philip Peterson asks: “Is CO2 pollution?”
I, for one, would like to hear more thoughts on this question, I believe it’s important.
The nearest I get for a definition of pollution is: “the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance or thing that has harmful or poisonous effects.” So it could go either way with CO₂? Is a pure nitrogen environment poisonous? You’ll die if you breath it but is it poisonous? CO₂ poisoning is pretty well known by mixed gas CCR divers (of whom I’m one). Hypercapnia is evil, we try to avoid it.
But is it truly a poison? Without it plants die and so would the entire planet. How can we define a compound, without which we could not survive, as a poison? Is water a poison?
This really needs to be addressed before we let lawyers do it because they absolutely will get it wrong.
It’s unfortunate that Piers is there, considering how bad his science is. Extracts from his 20 Oct weatheraction news:
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“Claims that the mid-Atlantic cold blob (and associated mid-Atlantic high pressure blocking tendency) are a consequence of man-made CO2 global warming under some sort of doublethink ‘cold is warm’ circulation pattern switch are delusional nonsense propagated by the anti-science spin docors of the UN-Pope-Obama CO2 shameless cabal” said Piers.
“Their notion is cretin physics – total drivel – with no evidential basis whatsoever.
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Now – and continuing for about 20 years – as we warned, the more southerly track of Atlantic lows following the more southerly jet stream has helped switch the Gulf stream of warm Atlantic currents to a weaker northern branch (towards Scotland+Norway) and stronger southern branch (towards Spain), and a consequential cold blob in mid-Atlantic.
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That’s backwards, predominately positive NAO from Apr 2013 was driving the cold North Atlantic SST anomaly, and that can only mean a more northerly jet stream track. Hence the warmer UK weather 2013 & 2014, the best bits which Piers failed to forecast, and his hottest August in 300 years turned out the coldest in 20 years.
Easy, Mr Tory.
Jeremy’s brother has no presentation skills but he can still earn a living from his understanding of the weather.
Like your comment, his website is incoherent and prone to misunderstanding.
No, he can’t predict everything but he’s better than the (free to access) MET office.
Otherwise he would be bankrupt.
There is nothing incoherent about my comment, I am not a Tory, and if I see a scientific fallacy I have every right to refute it, especially where is concerns misrepresentation of observed weather data.
where *it*,, etc
You know, only way to attract news coverage is to do something dramatic – skydive off the Tour Eiffel with flares and an a large banner (Greenpeach does this sort of thing). Or protest in the nude in December in Paris with banners saying I thought it was supposed too be warm. The news media will be silent otherwise.
“…only way to attract news coverage is to do something dramatic…”
That explains a lot of the idiocy going on these days.
Qua signatories, where stand the 31000 American scientist sceptics at climate.petition.org?
One more suggestion for a theme song:
( Set to Merle Travis song: Sixteen tons (Popularized by Tennessee Ernie Ford))
Some people say people are made outta mud
Global warmists they are, they are chewing their cud,
Chewing their cud and follow Al Gore
A mind that’s a-weak can you ask for much more?
More than one megawatt, and what do you get?
Another prognosis and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don’t you call ’em ’cause you must let ‘em be
They sold their souls to the IPCC.
They came in one mornin’ when the sun didn’t shine
They picked up their papers and continued the grind
They had sixteen conditions, mostly falsified bull
And the straw boss said “Well, a-bless my soul”.
More than one megawatt, and what do you get?
Another prognosis and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don’t you call ’em ’cause you must let ‘em be
They sold their souls to the IPCC.
They came in one mornin’, it was drizzlin’ rain
the prognosis had failed them again and again
The boss harshly told them, You will do many more
Do as I tell you, and agree with Al Gore.
More than one megawatt, and what do you get?
Another prognosis and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don’t you call ’em ’cause you must let ‘em be
They sold their souls to the IPCC.
The cold snap we’re having now, it just cannot last
and hidin’ the warming that occurred in the past
Their ol’ man Mann and his hockey stick.
With conditions like this nothing ever will click.
More than one megawatt, and what do you get?
Another prognosis and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don’t you call ’em ’cause you must let ‘em be
They sold their souls to the IPCC.
With the video: http://lenbilen.com/2012/01/31/lies-damned-lies-statistics-and-climate-forecasting-a-song/
Heavens, but I do just love this man made global warming here in sunny Arizona.
Now who do I see in so far as a complaints department for goes; for the screw up below. I mean can’t the people responsible for AGW do anything right? Snow in flagstaff in early Nov.? Who was asleep at the switch? I mean it is man made right? did one one request the snow storm? Is there a form that needs to be filled out?
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-northern-az/flagstaff/flagstaff-residents-wake-up-to-rare-november-snow
Shoddy if you ask me, AGW just like a train with only ticket takers & conductors but no engineer.
michael
Good to see Janice Moore back on the blog. Hope you stick around…Have missed your posts…
Thank you, J. Philip. I may not talk much anymore, but, I’ll be hovering about the outskirts of WUWT-land… and, hey! Maybe a great new chapter will happen for me and — OH, BOY! {Cue loud groans from crowd off stage} — I’ll be back!
#(:))
If you get a chance, say “Hi!” over on the 250,000,000 page view post.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/02/closing-on-14-billion/#comment-2062178
Thanks, Ric Werme, I did! #(:))
Talking about alternative, the French Radio Canada Ombudsman has concluded that
“CONCLUSION
La décision de l’émission scientifique Les années lumière, diffusée sur ICI Radio-Canada Première, de ne plus diffuser le point de vue de ceux qui remettent en doute le caractère anthropique du réchauffement climatique n’enfreint pas les Normes et pratiques journalistiques de Radio-Canada.”
“The decision by the science program “the Light Years”, boradcast on ICI Radio-Canada Premiere to suspend indefinitely the diffusion of viewpoints from those who doubt the anthropogenic character of global warming doesn’t contradict the journalistic norms and practices of Radio-Canada”
http://www.ombudsman.cbc.radio-canada.ca/fr/revision-des-plaintes/2015/pourquoi-il-faut-fermer-la-porte-aux-climatosceptiques-les-annees-lumiere/
And to direct readers to Noami Oreskes book… I guess that’s the ethics of Radio-Canada…
Green totalitarians prosper in Radio-Canada.
Tom Rude:
Yup – and now we have a Minister of Environment AND CLIMATE CHANGE for Canada (So does Ontario).
Expect disastrous decisions in Parliament for the next 4 years …
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/canada-new-trudeau-cabinet-minister-of-environment-and-climate-change
Seriously, next Canada’s rulers will copy Merkel in Germany and demand a million illegal aliens from the Middle East be hauled in and Canadian citizens pay for housing and feeding these invaders.
Great idea. Good luck (not sarcastic) getting media air.
Like the song choice as well.
ISIS: Death to the enemies of God!
IPCC: Death to the enemies of Green!
Two questions for the list :
o A demand to see the essential physical equations in SI units quantifying the phenomenon of spectral trapping of heat and experimental demonstration of it .
o Is the non-optional parameter of gravity included in their equations ? Rather easily derivable equations apparently explain a great deal of the variance between orbital energy density and bottom of atmosphere energy density leaving little for any GHG spectral effect .
Can we organize a day of Climate programming with interviews from The Climate Challenge, etc…. I think we can get it done on USA radio.
An internationally coordinated effort would show wieght.
Where did this list of signers come from? http://pcc15.org/expert-signatories/
I have emailed JoNova to check if David did actually put his name to it.
I also know that Stewart Franks is not at University of Newcastle.
He left a couple of years ago to go to University of Tasmania.
Anthony.. can you please try to verify other names on the list.. before we make a fool of ourselves !!!
Please ignore.. I goofed. 🙁
List is from 2009.. Stewart Franks was at Uni Newcastle then.
Andy “to infinity and beyond” (remember?…. lololol … you were SO mad at me….. glad we got that one ironed out, heh :)) G55,
Your admirable attention to detail and commitment to truth, though mistaken, did much GOOD — your post created valuable information to allay unwarranted concerns and to promote the integrity of the above effort.
So, GOOD ON YA, MATE (if I recall your country of residence correctly)!
#(:))
Janice
I see Piers Corbyn from Weather Action is on the list of Expert Signatories, hopefully he is going to predict heavy snow for Paris in the first week in December!
Well, maybe, but we’ve had a very ‘Indian summer’ in NW London this autumn – I actually had potatoes obviously unharvested 12 months previously, spontaneously entering growth and creating plants in late August and they are still doing well in early November! I can’t imagine the plants would have done that unless they had some sense that they would replicate their tubers before the frost came along and killed the plant off…..33 years ago we had a very mild autumn and winter in NW Europe……..time will tell for 2015/16……
Did they ever get an answer from Ban Ki-Moon
Yes! However….. they made the mistake of asking him AFTER dinner (hic). After a few drinks, he can no longer speak clearly, so… he sings.
Ban Ki Moon — “Comin’ to Town”
(youtube)
He is a happy drunk. Give him that.
He better not give up the day job!
🙂