Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Al Jazeera has made an outrageous claim that climate “denial” is helping to kill 400,000 people every year.
According to Al Jazeera;
“Other conspiracy theorists make fools of themselves, but they don’t harm anyone else. That isn’t the case here. Because climate change costs lives. Climate change deniers are undermining the battle to save those lives. They may be nuts, but its still no laughing matter”.
See the video: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2015/10/reality-check-climate-change-conspiracy-151031081029315.html
How can climate change possibly be killing 400,000 people per year, when the green movement can’t even produce one legitimate climate refugee?
Blaming Climate Change is a terrific scapegoat for corruption and incompetence, of which there is no shortage in many parts of the Middle East. WUWT recently reported how the former governor of Alexandria tried to blame Climate Change for the lethal floods which swept his city, in an apparent effort to deflect accusations of poor civic infrastructure management.
The terrorist Osama Bin Laden once attempted to conflate climate change and hatred of the West, perhaps he was just a bit before his time. Now Al Jazeera, the news service backed by the hardline Qatari dictatorship, appears in my opinion to be trying to finish what Bin Laden started.
Let us hope Al Jazeera don’t succeed in their apparent efforts to fan the flames of mindless hatred.
Only the biggest of fools can claim that a world that hasn’t warmed any in decades is killing people because of warming.
The Al Jazeera newsmakers aren’t the fools. They know how to use propaganda. The fools are the unthinking masses that uncritically accept it,
http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/rapprochemont-or-civilization-surrender-how-to-force-human-solidarity-starting-with-preschool-education/ calls attention to the International Decade of the Rapprochement of Cultures. CAGW is one of the needed false narratives to get the “support of the people” via a manufactured consensus through education. Another is how Islam is described and its adherents treated, whatever the facts.
RoC is a UN initiative launched in 2013 with Saudi Arabian financial support and Kazakhstan sponsorship. It needs to be on all of our radar because it admits that this refugee crisis all over the world is a crucial component of the POst-2015 agenda, just like education and CAGW.
Lots of incentive in RoC for Al Jazeera to say this, especially since the media globally are explicitly called on to support the desired narrative.
…and report their propaganda!
Of course we aren’t talking about the sub-Saharan Africans that die in the millions because of no access to DDT and control of Malaria…
The green fear is healthy, happy, prosperous dark skinned people..
Al Jezzera can kiss my skinny Scots/Cherokee arse…
Yep and they’ll get support in Paris!
OK, here are the lives lost. It’s worse than I dreamed.! We must act now!
“How our allies in Kuwait and Qatar funded Islamic State”
Al Jazeera is oil funded. Its OIL funders (Qatar state) like to fund certain things that are unprecedented. I always cringe when I watch Al Jazeera ATTACK shale oil et al in the USA AND FAIL TO MENTION they are oil funded. Sad. PS I am not a US citizen.
After all that jazz with the Al Jazeera journalists in Egyptian prison it turns out that Al Jazeera was sued by one of their jailed journalists. Jailed journalist stated that Al Jazeera did not tell him the full facts about their license to report from Egypt. Al Jazeera, he stated, did not have a license.
mubasher.aljazeera.net MIGHT BE what the aforesaid journalist objected to. 😉
Al Jazeera says that journalism is not a crime. I agree. Lying in journalism should be a crime though. Shame.
I do not know where the “400,000 lives / year” comes from:
Does it come from 2012?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/27/climate-change-kills-400-000-a-year-new-report-reveals.html
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jschmidt/global_warming_is_already_caus.html
I very vaguely recall Kof Annan mentioning something similar but I can’t be sure.
Death creeps on us all. Be worried. Be very worried about carbon dioxide. The FAO reported that there was global record cereal production in 2014. It’s worse than I thought?
How many fvcking live have been SAVED by coal and oil? = winter heating, ambulance gas transport, medical manufacturing an so on……………….
So about the same number as moslem radicalism does ?
Here is the UN report (below) behind the numbers. Notice that lack of electricity (Indoor Smoke) kills 3 million a year. By far the largest cause of deaths, and is predicted to remain the largest killer in 2030 as well. Evidently the report is predicting that the poor of the world are not about to get electricity any time soon.
So, if the UN was serious about reducing deaths, they would be rushing to make sure that everyone on the planet had electricity before they worried about climate change. Because as the UN’s own numbers show (below), lack of electricity kills millions more people each year than does climate change. And by the UN’s own numbers, this is not going to change any time soon.
Yet here we have the UN proposing that we make climate change the number 1 priority, with electricity a far distant priority. Also notice that the report blames hunger on climate change. As though people never starved to death before global warming. Tell that to the 30+ million Chinese that died of starvation during the global cooling of the early 60’s.
http://daraint.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CVM2ndEd-FrontMatter.pdf
NUMBER OF DEATHS
2010 2030
Climate
Diarrheal Infections 85,000 150,000
Heat & Cold Illnesses 35,000 35,000
Hunger 225,000 380,000
Malaria & Vector Borne Diseases 20,000 20,000
Meningitis 30,000 40,000
Environmental Disasters 5,000 7,000
Carbon
Air Pollution 1,400,000 2,100,000
Indoor Smoke 3,100,000 3,100,000
Occupational Hazards 55,000 80,000
Skin Cancer 20,000 45,000
World 4,975,000 5,957,000
the numbers above are from page 18 of the UN’s own report. So yes, I call BS on Al Jazeera and the UN, along with the Climate Negotiators heading to Paris. These deaths are on your heads.
You have completely ignoring the millions killed every year because people do not have access to low cost electricity. And instead you are proposing that we not provide this electricity any time soon, so that we can prevent climate change. Climate change that kills only a small fraction of the number of people killed by lack of affordable electricity.
Look at the UN’s own numbers. Million killed every year because they lack access to low cost electricity for heating and cooking. And the UN and the leaders of the world propose to make the problem even worse.
That is the real Obama legacy. Add it up. Millions of people will die needlessly of indoor smoke because they lack access to affordable electricity. In return, thousands of people will be save from dying of Climate Change. And the problem will not bet any better. Tens of millions of unnecessary extra deaths by 2030, all in the name of saving the world.
And these are the UN’s own numbers.
I have read elsewhere that 2 million die annually from lack of potable water and good sanitation. Electrification would help greatly with those too. If this was really about helping humanity, all the warmists would be demanding that a 1000 coal plants be built in Africa and Asia.
all the warmists would be demanding that a 1000 coal plants be built in Africa and Asia.
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it is the white man’s burden to save the black and brown people of the earth from the ravages of climate change.
thus the world bank is limiting financing of coal power plants. now that whitey has electricity, no reason to let anyone else have it. having eaten a huge piece of pie, and taken an enormous dump on the table, we can’t let anyone else have any pie in case they also feel the call of nature. lets all meet in Paris and outlaw anyone else eating pie.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-worldbank-climate-coal-idUSBRE96F19U20130716
@ferdberple has quoted the right report but the wrong section, that’s why they add up to 5 million, not the 400,000
The figs above are for a combination of climate change and “Continuing today’s patterns of carbon-intensive energy use is estimated, together with climate change, to cause 6 million deaths per year by 2030, close to 700,000 of which would be due to climate change. ” (the DARA report explains)
BTW look at how they try to pin indoor smoke on fossil fuels when the vast majority of such deaths are due to cooking using Climate friendly wood burning .
He says the figs originate from page 18 of a UN report ..but I can’t find such a report.
climate “denial” is helping to kill 400,000 people every year.
Don’t blame us for sloughing off. It isn’t our goal to reduce the population to 1/6 of current, that is the Green Blob leadership. [/s]
Also in the playbook of the warmers.
The original Al Jazeera channel was launched 1 November 1996 by an emiri decree with a loan of 500 million Qatari riyals (US$137 million) from the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa. Due to billions of dollars in surpluses from the oil and gas industry, the Qatari government has directed investments into United States, Europe, and Asia Pacific.
Wiki ref:
Hey Mehdi Hasan, you work for a CO2 polluting OIL COUNTRY.
It’s ironic how world hunger has FALLEN. It was reported just this May by the WFP UN.
Oooops! The hottest years evaaaah are ravaging cereals. No more Cornflakes!
FAO again on global record cereal production in 2014
Global warming is costing lives!
WorldNetDaily is reporting that there is going to be a vote in Paris on creating a climate change “tribunal” with enforcement powers were victims of climate change can force guilty countries to pay up.
Agreed, arther4563, but what you are misreading is that this may well be the truth when you realize that “climate deniers” are the “green” idiots, and their policies might well be killing people, but probably not at the stated rate.
Al Jazeera are partly OIL FUNDED – aren’t they? Qatar. Al Gore sold his ‘Current TV’ to them in the last few years.
I often watch Al Gorzeera for their other documentaries. I note they tip toe around Qatar, ISIL and all that jazzzzzz. Hey, that is for another day. They are good, as long as it does NOT INVOLVE OIL. It is a stain on their bad character. I will stop here for now.
Lives lost!!!!!! Oh phuleaaaase. The world has a problem. It is not over-population. The problem will make itself seen as early as 2050 – just ask China which has just decided that TWO kids is better than ONE. Why? Do your own research for that. See fertility rates since 1960s.
Here are the lives to be lost due to ‘global warming’:
Success!
It does beggar belief. In any case how can we “disbelievers” be costing 400000 lives when we have absolutely no influence in the corridors of power???
Obama blamed it as an excuse advance his agenda.
They’re blaming it to excuse their favorite sons.
(It wasn’t bullets or bomb shrapnel thats killing all those people. Those are thermometers sticking out of their bodies!)
Good point – govts are now 100% owned by warmies. (Well maybe not Putin this week, but he ratified Kyoto before even KRudd.)
$300bn pa is being flushed on “abatement” schemes that almost always need conventional backup.
Other than the mere holding of a personal opinion, specifically what harm do they believe “d@niers” have enforced? What policies have been blocked (other than AUS replacing carbon pricing with the more effective Direct action)? How much incremental CO2 and therefore temp at your preferred sensitivity resulted? And what fatal events resulted from this fatal temp?
Sounds like a ploy to declare a group of people guilty of a capital crime solely by virtue of their beliefs. Has that ever happened before?
Sure. In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi and probably other countries, apostasy (i.e. ceasing to believe in Islam) is punishable by death. That’s the background to thinking around Qatar (if not in it).
BTW, Al Jazeera English is a handy source for what’s happening around the world. A bit too much knee-jerk anti-americanism, but if you can see through that you can actually learn stuff that you would not get anywhere else.
This is really very simple. There is a large bloc of Arab nations lined up to gather the reparations from the sins of the Western World.
Clearly the answer is for ISIS and all the Arab states to stop pumping oil and gas.
That should fix a few conflicts.
Isn’t this the network that Al Gore sold to “big oil”?
BBC August 2014
Former American Vice President Al Gore is suing Al Jazeera America over the sale of a TV network he founded.
Mr Gore and his partners agreed to sell Current TV to the Qatari-owned broadcaster last year.
But Mr Gore and other former shareholders in the company claim Al Jazeera America is trying to retain $65m (£39m) of the purchase money.
They have filed a lawsuit claiming the terms of the contract have not been honoured.
Mr Gore’s lawyer, David Boies, said in a statement: “Al Jazeera America wants to give itself a discount on the purchase price that was agreed to nearly two years ago.”
Are we sure that they haven’t kept Al Gore on as a consultant?
Nigel S
November 1, 2015 at 2:55 pm
“The end justifies the means.”
When “pot meets kettle”, only the green matters.
Not ISIS – Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Isn’t Al-Jazeera sponsored/owned by one of these sovereign states? Or at a minimum, is owned by a person who derived ALL their wealth from oil/gas?
Reblogged this on Canadian Climate Guy and commented:
Climate Deniel Kills! No, not really. But that doesn’t stop people from making such a ludicrous claim.
You can’t blame your fellow Moslim on wars of Middle East – thus, you have to find an external Western or Christian scapegoat. Of course it is ‘climate d3nialists’, not for example coal in China or Arabic oil.
Besides, the whole story is dumb. 400,000 victims? Where? Caused by denialism? How?
400,000? Name one.
Pete W,
You beat me to it.
Put up or shut up, Al Jazeera.
Are they counting the people doused with fuel and burned by ISIS as causalities of man-made warming caused by fossil fuels? It wouldn’t surprise me.
Guess Mr. Gore left some kool-aid in the office fridge.
Ha! Nice!
399 999 Arabs and a blonde.
“How can climate change possibly be killing 400,000 people per year, when the green movement can’t even produce one legitimate climate refugee.”
Now that Eric brought it up, some group of warmunistas will ‘surprisingly’ find one. I’ll bet.
The irony of the climate refugee claim by the alarmists is that the Administration and much of the alarmists are virtually numb while dealing with thousands of real refugees caused by ISIS including the consequences for those who have to live with the invasion into their countries.
Perhaps they think that by out-stupiding Al BBC et al on global warming they will be taken more seriously as journalists. Herd mentality.
Or could just be the “journalist” responsible thinks it might help get him/her a job with one of those organisations.
…not forgetting the possibility of straightforward cash-for-story, where an external source pays for an article to be written. They’re getting pretty frantic before Paris, and are well funded.
When, at the direction of the Sun, the climate swings toward the next Ice Age then you will be able to pin deaths from hunger and exposure to naturally occurring climate change.
400,000 on an annual basis is a very small number.
For the year to date-hour-second there have been over 49,998,700 human deaths.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Even if 400,000 is correct, I doubt it, such is astronomically small and hardly a mention in the NY Times.
But then I have doubts about 50 million too.
But it is All Saints Day after all.
Ha ha
I dare them to show their math…all of it.
The IPCC sixth assessment report needs some new statistics to use in its upcoming release.
400,000 on an annual basis = .05%
Check latitudes math. Our 21st century public school math education in action. High school graduates with 8th grade reading and 4th grade math proficiency. Better the world think you’re a fool then to participate on comment boards and remove all doubt.
I come up with 0.67% give or take a body or two.
2015 world population ~ 7.3 billion
7,300,000,000 X .05% = ~365,000
I blame my poor math on the time change…. ;)..lack of coffee…..and not really giving a flying ****
.005% X 7,300,000,000 = ~400,000
400,000 on an annual basis is a very small number.
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the UN report from which this numbers were takes says there are 3 million deaths each year from indoor smoke. so if the UN was serious about saving the world, they would make sure everyone had low cost electricity for heating and cooking.
Instead, to save 400,000 from climate change, they are willing to sacrifice nearly 10 times as many due to lack of electricity.
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Proper ventilation of their cooking stoves would suffice.
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only works if you are the only one cooking. the problem is the fuel itself. dung makes a shitty fire. 1 million cooking fires and you have the Great London Fog all over again. The smoke settles back down and you breathe it all day and night.
SE Asia minimized the problem by switching over to low cost bottled gas. Electricity allows you to do one better.
To get “proper ventilation” you would need electricity.
If the UN would let these people have electricity, they wouldn’t need to cook over open fires in the first place.
Isn’t that when they all dress up as their favorite saints and do the “bless” or treat thing and go to somber parties?
Cyclone “Nilofar” should make land-fall on the Southern Arabian coast on the 2nd or 3rd. It is a huge CAT-5. The projections are well North of 150 MPH. Maybe, Al Jazeera’s target is a ratings increase. Nilofarhas been discussed for several days.
Having left the snark above, I’ll pray for those in this monster’s path.
Sorry,
Chapala is this year’s monster. I’m watching the Giants and Saint running up a basketball score in a football game. The score is Gmen 49 – Saints 42 with 7 minutes left!
I see surface winds of 182 km/h.
all cyclones are cat 5 now it seems. all you need is an estimate from satellite pics, and you have whatever number you choose carved in stone for future generations to be misled by. just look at every cyclone here in Australia for the last 5 or 6 years, overstated and never confirmed by ground stations apart from those that generate enough rain to be called dangerous in that sense.
Has any WUWT reader commented on this paper by a group of French mathematicians
http://www.scmsa.eu/archives/SCM_RC_2015_08_24_EN.pdf
The title of the paper reads:
The battle against global warming: an absurd, costly and pointless crusade
I wonder if they’ll be asked to speak at the upcoming conference.
John Finn:
Yes, two have here.
You could, too, if you wanted to.
Richard
Sooo… Can we send Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley as our representative then? I think not. GK
G. Karst:
Your question is surreal.
John Finn asked
I answered
and you have responded saying in total
Who is the “we” who want to “send a representative”?
To whom do you want to send that “representative”?
And why do you think Christopher Monckton can not be that representative of whomever your “we” may be to whomever you want to be represented?
Richard
Sorry R.C. I misunderstood the exchange. I somehow understood – anyone could attend, and I thought – anyone but our rascally skeptic- Lord Monckton (who has been banned). Sorry, I erred and confused. GK
Wasn’t that llitle dead boy on the beach this summer killed by climate change. Pretty certain I heard that reasoning.
Sea level rise.
(Sorry. It disgust me to say that. But that’s along the lines of the kind of stuff being said. That boy wasn’t a “Climate Refuge”.)
Too warm in Turkey? But it was under. Foot of snow last winter!
But you don’t understand Andrew. While it is true that the Global Average Surface Temperature hasn’t changed in the last twenty years, people do not live in the average anything. Everybody lives in “Right Here Right Now”© so in the places where it is too hot it is now, due to Climate Change, even too hotter and thus people are dying from the EXTRA, climate change, heat. In the “too cold” places it is now, due to Climate Change even too colder so people are dying from the Climate Change coldy. Climate Change means too hot and too cold AT THE SAME TIME. Simple.
The extra hot and the extra coldy balance out and the GAST remains the same, but the climate has changed and extra people have died due to the change.
acementhead
Serious or sarcastic?
Seriously??? LOL(truly) I thought that I’d been too obvious.
acementhead: You can’t out bizarre the alarmists, no matter what you may write, I can guarantee you, one of them has written worse.
Yes, it is very hot in the summer in Turkey and certainly cooler in Germany, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, the UK. Since he died because his parents were attempting to leave the safety of Turkey and illegally enter the E.U., we must assume that they were motivated by temperature differential. (sarc)
No he was killed by his people smuggling father. The MSM has kept very quiet abot this.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/09/well-well-well-looks-like-abdullah-kurdi-is-a-liar-and-a-people-smuggler/
They were Syrians….who left a safe home in Turkey where they had been living for three years.
They were traveling to his sisters house in Canada for a visit in order to get tree dental care.
Climate change causes dental disease and prevents people from seeing doc in their own countries and paying for it themselves.
You may have got to the root of the problem. On the other hand, and I feel like a sap for pointing it out, but trees don’t have teeth.
I’ve lived in Canada since 1969 and I have yet to see any sign of free dental care. Or tree. Had to change dentists because our old one was too darn pricey. New one is a nice Thai lady. She has small hands, like most Asian women, and that means she can do stuff inside your mouth that bloated males of European descent cannot. Oh my, I’m getting off topic.
But we have free medical care. Actually it isn’t free at all, we pay for it through our taxes. Better that than enriching a bloated insurance company that devotes huge amounts of your money to denying your claims, wouldn’t you say? I think so. We’ve had absolutely top notch medical care in crisis situations. No questions were asked.
They were travelling to Europe because Canada had denied their refugee application.
So instead of subsidizing a bloated insurance industry, you subsidize a bloated govt that makes money by denying claims.
There’s a reason why Canadians who can afford to, come to the US for medical care.
Prior to MLO the atmospheric CO2 concentrations, both paleo ice cores and inconsistent contemporary grab samples, were massive wags. Data at some of NOAA’s tall towers passed through 400 ppm years before MLO reached that level. IPCC AR5 TS.6 claims uncertainty in CO2 concentrations over land. Preliminary data from OCO-2 suggests that CO2 is not as well mixed as assumed. Per IPCC AR5 WG1 chapter 6 mankind’s share of the atmosphere’s CO2 is basically unknown, could be anywhere from 4% to 96%. (IPCC AR5 Ch 6, Figure 6.1, Table 6.1)
The major global C/CO2 (not CO2 per se, C is a precursor proxy for CO2) reservoirs, i.e. oceans, atmosphere, vegetation & soil, contain over 40,000 Pg (Gt) of C/CO2. Over 90% of this C/CO2 reserve is in the oceans. Between these reservoirs ebb and flow hundreds of Pg C/CO2 per year, the great fluxes. For instance, vegetation absorbs C/CO2 for photosynthesis producing plants and O2. When the plants die and decay they release C/CO2. A divinely maintained balance of perfection for thousands of years now unbalanced by mankind’s evil use of fossil fuels.
So just how much net C/CO2 does mankind’s evil fossil fuel consumption add to this perfectly balanced 40,000 Gt cauldron of churning, boiling, fluxing C/CO2?
3. That’s correct, 3. Not 3,000, not 300, 3! How are we supposed to take this seriously?
IPCC AR5 attributes 2 W/m^2 of unbalancing RF due to the increased CO2 concentration between 1750 and 2011. In the overall global heat balance 2 W (watt is power, not energy) is lost in the magnitude and uncertainty of: ToA, 340 +/- 10, fluctuating albedo of clouds, snow and ice, and the absorption and release of heat from evaporation and condensation of the ocean and water vapor cycle. (IPCC AR5 Ch 8, FAQ 8.1)
IPCC AR5 acknowledges the LTT pause in Text Box 9.2 and laments the failure of the GCMs to model it.
The sea ice and sheet ice is expanding not shrinking, the weather (30 years = climate) is less extreme not more, the sea level rise is not accelerating, the GCM’s are repeat failures, the CAGW hypothesis is coming unraveled, COP21 has all the makings of yet another embarrassing fiasco, IPCC AR6 will mimic SNL’s Rosanna Rosanna Dana, “Well, neeeveeer mind!!”
Al J really mean to say that Islamist deniers have compelled Islamists to kill 400,000 people. It was just a typo.
Anthony, Scott, Lord Christopher, Mark Joe etc will be in orange coveralls having their heads sliced off after they are prosecuted under sharia RICO by the UN. This is in the news every day now. This isn’t 700 year old folk stories, this is here and now.
Christians are killed hourly now in Syria and Egypt. Homosexuals are hung in Iran. In the USA the left, already having begun the campaign of ridicule and prosecution of Christians, will start by jailing them, and then intellectuals, and the infirmed. The socialists did so in the 1930s and in Cambodia. How is man any different in 2015? Then they will begin the exterminations, just about when the middle eastern hoards cave-in Germany the Netherlands, and great Britain.
Anthony et al may make it to old age only to have their graves blown up by the Islamists.
I won’t bother linking to the live leak videos, you all know where they are.
Al Jazeera, very well known for balanced and precise scientific journalism, indeed!
And of course,- fairy tales from the Arabian Nights!
A 1001 of them promises a long read into the future.
The Warmists always move on to the next gullible and backward tranche of the population. Barak Obama did it in the USA, evangelising the poor and ill educated. The Arab world offers almost unlimited potential for those who wish to sell their lies to the poor and ill educated.
Just a thought
“Forty-six Muslim countries combined contribute just 1 percent of the world’s scientific literature; Spain and India each contribute more of the world’s scientific literature than those countries taken together. In fact, although Spain is hardly an intellectual superpower, it translates more books in a single year than the entire Arab world has in the past thousand years.”
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/why-the-arabic-world-turned-away-from-science
very true
Governments and cultures that are based on destruction and taking by force are not conductive or supportive of creating, making, producing or pioneering. Energy and creativity are only expended in survival techniques and avoidance.
Another reason why there are so few Arabic books is that Arabic writing consists only of consonants, there are no vowels. Because of this, writing that has only consonants must be understood before it can be read (ie comprehended), while writing that has both consonants and vowels reverses this process.
In other words, with consonantal writing “interpretation precedes decipherment,” while with alphabetic writing “decipherment precedes interpretation.
See http://www.newenglishreview.org/Colin_Wells/Why_Arabs_Hate_Reading/
They would have us all reenter into a new Dark Age for mankind.
Of course, we must not forget who gave Al Jazeera a bigger outreach to advance his own personal “green” agenda.
Albert Arnold Gore Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
“Let us hope Al Jazeera don’t succeed in their apparent efforts to fan the flames of mindless hatred.”
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Gotta be careful when you call upon the devil.
Or any imaginary character.
Yep. I figured I overstepped my bounds with that one.
Musta been the devil within me.
I was entertained last night when our Aussie government broadcaster SBS ran this Al-Jazeera piece on the evening news. It was about wind turbines massacring golden eagles. That is surprising since SBS is generally as green as grass, so allowing a news item which goes against the doctrines of Gaia is unusual.
Having a wholly owned arm of the Qatari government criticise wind energy is less surprising. One always needs a higher oil price when one is a sheik on a budget.
They are specifically attacking ON-SHORE wind.
It is the currently the cheapest source of renewable energy, after hydropower.
We are being steered in the direction of high-costs and failure and dependence on oil imports.
You forgot the /sarc tag.
I was making a generally sensible point.
In “relative terms”, on-shore wind is cheaper than the really expensive stuff.
But to put that into context here is the last comment that I made on the topic:
“Last time I checked – the UK wave subsidy was still set at approx. 10 times the wholesale electricity rate.
The subsidies are scaled to reflect the stupidity of the concept.
More stupidity begets more subsidy.
The system is designed to create a level playing field in which stupid ideas can compete with sensible ones.
Wave and offshore wind are truly bonkers and so they get the highest subsidies of all.”
When the wind is blowing, it’s cheaper. The problem is that you have to build and run oil based power so that there is something ready to take over when the wind stops blowing.
ON-SHORE wind doesn’t reduce fossil fuel power production.
Absolutely – it’s gas generation that supports it here in the UK, mainly.
But the costs of additional infrastructure are difficult to calculate and therefore often ignored.
As you point out.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/27/climate-change-kills-400-000-a-year-new-report-reveals.html
What an absolute moron.
Mehdi Hasan. What a nice chap. That’s the same Mehdi Hasan who was filmed ranting that “all kuffar are animals”.
Does the Koran teach that animals should be mistreated and terrorized?
It’s pretty clear on what should happen to “Kuffar”….
This is Mehdi Hassan on non-believers:
Live “their lives like animals”:
http://www.islam-watch.org/component/content/article/85-islam-watch/1437-racist-islamo-supremacist-mehdi-hassan-non-muslims-live-their-lives-like-animals.html
Peter Hitchens v. Medhi Hassan:
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2012/08/peter-hitchens-vs-mehdi-hasan/
How many people die each year because of the artificially high cost of energy brought on by alarmists and their insistence on high fossil fuel taxes? Does anyone have an estimate for that?
I do not have figures for deaths from lack of heating or cooling outside of the yearly winter news reports from northern states.
I have death figures from projects that Greens block and stop.
7.8 million women and children die every year from bad indoor air – from using wood stoves and dung because The Greens prevent any energy. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs292/en/
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3.4 million people die every year including 760 000 children. The Greens block the fuel needed to run drinking water and sanitary systems. http://water.org/water-crisis/water-facts/water/
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850,000 people die every year because refrigerated vaccines cannot be maintained…The Greens block any electrical services and think a 6 solar panels powering a single surgery room light bulb is enough to also run a refrigerator.
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2 million women and children die every year and another million go blind because the Greens will not allowed Golden Rice, which is free, to be grown.
Some/many of the deaths you listed are included in those 400,000, apparently.
The UN’s own report says it is 3 million a year. Killed by lack of affordable electricity. A small price to pay if we can save those 4 hundred thousand dying of climate change.
http://daraint.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CVM2ndEd-FrontMatter.pdf
NUMBER OF DEATHS (pg 18)
2010
Indoor Smoke 3,100,000
What I’m missing is an analysis of the death numbers against age. At 7 billion people, assuming an average life span of 70 years (just for easy calculation), about 100 million will die just of old age every year. Interesting would be how the average life span is affected by those apparently bad circumstances.
Medhi Hasan v.Douglas Murray:
Perhaps some insight into why Egypt was less than impressed with its reporters.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/last-of-three-convicted-al-jazeera-journalists-leaves-egypt-1444821483
This whole movement is now based on 100% exaggeration.
Maybe in the early 1980s, they thought it was a scientific-based pursuit but virtually everyone involved in the movement now is an exaggerator/cult member.
Climate change has gotten so severe that the ice caps on Mars are melting !!!! We are destroying our universe !!!!!! Sarc off……
Which movement was that ?
Are the new comers to this site expected to know ?
I’m hoping “we” get many new viewers everyday, so how do you initiate them into a decade long argument ?
The people that visit here/have found this site, have a yearn for learning.
Try as you might, you can’t turn that off.
Give me the names of all 400,000 people killed by climate change. You may not include people killed by events that have a well-documented history of occurring at a certain area. For example: deaths by a mudslide may only be included if no mudslide occurred at that area ever before.
The religion of peace, forced marriages, and female genital mutilation.
And genocide against Christians, or “cattle”, as Mehdi Hassan would call them.
( I say “them”, because I have a Christian background, but I am an agnostic. )
female genital mutilation.
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yes, completely unreported. More than 100 million women in Indonesia alone. A barbaric practice handed down from the harems, leaves the women unable to achieve orgasm during intercourse, facilitating 1 man to have multiple wives.
Unfortunately, the practice because custom. What the Sultan enjoyed, became the custom for all. Like Castilian Spanish. The king spoke with a lisp, everyone speaks with a lisp to this day, long after the king is dead.
It is a good thing the Sultan did not enjoy the company of eunuchs guarding the harems Otherwise a much different practice might have become the custom.
Sorry Ferd, the Castilian lisp was not due to a king…
http://www.cranberryletters.com/home/2014/3/23/the-origin-of-the-spanish-lisp
Seemed to me that he was calling atheists cattle, not christians.
Well, in their mind all non-Islamists are atheists.
Why no comment on male genital mutilation still commonly practiced?. In the recent past, other religions also fostered forced marriages. Seems like some people have very short memories.
msbehavin’
No one must think/comment according to your wishes . . but you can.
A person with a little time and some background in basic engineering can easily compute that a movement which so far has succeeded in banning modern gas extraction in several E.U. countries, closing many many major coal fired power stations, resisting expansion of nuclear and big hydropower, etc etc – is serving the interests of foreign oil and gas exporters.
Unfortunately the dummies who parade in favour of the destruction of E.U. and American energy independence really do believe in all the complete nonsense that they have now been told:
That there is a “big oil” conspiracy to prevent the installation of “free” renewables!!
That fossil fuel derived energy receives larger subsidies than the equivalent energy sourced from renewables!!
That Al Jazeera and Russia Today are trustworthy news outlets that give voice to the oppressed leftist climate truthers.
Outside my house in the U.K. at this very moment it is very cold, very dark and there is no breeze in the air.
If I look out at the nearest town then I will see the twinkling of many lights.
Inside of each home there is warmth and light, entertainment and many many labour saving appliances.
And yet within those homes are also invariably a few imbeciles who believe with a degree of confidence that their energy could now be generated by magic pixies.
Russia and the Gulf states would like to take advantage of this delusional mentality.
When our society comprises 97% useful idiots then we might as well accept that our country is in the hands of Putin and the Muslim Brotherhood. The game is nearly up.
Then maybe they can have a little tussle and see who gets the biggest piece.
indefatigablefrog
Seems you are being haunted by Churchill’s “Black Dog” of late.
And no the game is not nearly up. They have not won. Think Asymmetric Warfare that is what they are facing (warmists).They have tried faking the science, corrupting the data, attacking any and all who question or challenge them. Someone else just steps up. One of them states one thing claiming all the certainty in creation that their findings are beyond question and then another of them publishes the complete opposite. They try to use Governments to impose their will. At first it appears they succeed and then push back occurs. Then they try religion. And all they do is cause is schism in the R.C. church.
Now they turn to Islam?
michael
You’re right Morlock. But, I’m trying to prepare myself for the possibility of some sort of disasterous “breakthrough agreement” in Paris.
The omens are not good. With Canada and Australia now fronting CAGW supporting leaders.
They could quite possibly come up with some really ugly load of incompetently conceived crap.
And then I’ll be annoyed about it for a few months or years.
I get annoyed by how stupid and misdirected the whole thing is.
Somebody mentioned smoke inhalation from cooking fires in the developed world, above.
There are seemingly trivial cheap solutions that could vastly change people’s lives.
But, instead we are probably going to see a rush to develop “deep water wind” or some such exhorbitant and laughable stupid nonsense.
It’s all stupid and I hate it all. And I wish that it would all just go away so that we could return to focusing on sensible stuff – like the real needs of real people in the real world. Boo hoo…
indefatigablefrog
Oh they will try, but Russia is not going to sign on. Nor China nor India or Japan. Germany is adding coal fire power plants go figure. As for China Japan and a few others they seem to be setting up a organisation for development financing, Coal,oil, gas, even renewable. The only ones playing ring -a – round the rosy are gullible western governments. People are not yet really feeling the impact across the entire breath of these countries. Some are suffering but human beings have this amazing ability to ignore the hardships of their fellow citizens as long as they are safe and warm. They will rationalize that all will be well and some how it will be fixed until it hits them. Then the fats in the fire.
michael
… Now they turn to Islam?
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It’s an inevitable development, an example of Blair’s Law, it’s settled science:
‘Blair’s Law, coined by Australian journalist, Tim Blair as “the ongoing process by which the world’s multiple idiocies are becoming one giant, useless force.”
The alliance between the radical Left and extremist Islamists is an example of Blair’s Law’.
When an organisation like Al Jazeera promotes the dangers of denialism right minded people should be suspicious. They could not give a toss about global warming but they are interested in destroying the West and the best way to do that is to undermine it’s economies. We should by now be aware that AGW/CC does not have a basis in science and is purely political. The end result is the collapse of Western civilisation as we know it to be replaced with what exactly. The socialists at the UN have not thought that far ahead. When the West is broke there will be nothing to transfer to the poor so how will they be helped? they won’t. From what I have seen the elitists do not have the nous nor the skills to survive in a truly competitive world where survival of the fittest will result in the elites being the first to fail. I wonder have they thought of that and if they have read the blueprint espoused in “Animal Farm” for they should know the pigs eventually lost but importantly the lower classes were still the lower classes and were now worse off than when they started.
But there will be… Rollerball. Just wait 3 years.
I believe it should be noted that showing that a death is climate related is not the same thing as showing that a death is related to a change in the climate.
An important distinction that most here understand perfectly. However, warmists and many of the general public would respond with a blank stare. GK
G. Karst,
Perhaps so, but I seriously doubt there are a great many that are anything more than tepid warmers out there . . who might read here. Polls I am aware of (US) show no overwhelming anything about “climate change”. When put on a list of ten or whatever national concerns, it polls at the bottom. The mass media echo chamber has failed to establish significant “alarm” despite it’s shock and awe strategy, so to speak. And the echo chamber itself ain’t doin’ so hot either . . so, wipe that frown off your face, soldier ; )
If you were an oil state and saw how gullible the western nations are; would you not promote the heck out of reducing CO2/fossil fuel to drive your competitors out of business from self-inflicted wounds (Carbon Tax) so that the price of your oil and your market share would go up.
This is pretty simple Global Economics and protectionism that every country plays and applies tariffs to protect local industries. We even have inter-provincial protectionism in Canada. BC residents get arrested for buying too much wine in Alberta where it is cheaper and taking it back to BC – avoiding paying the higher BC provincial liquor tax.
Self interest is endemic. The Al Jazera article is simply political propaganda. Not much different fro Pravda, New York TImes, San Francisco Chronicle, Washington Post ad infinitum.
reducing CO2/fossil fuel to drive your competitors out of business
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absolutely. Oil producing countries stand to make trillions if the world moves to ban coal. What a glorious dream. the countries of the world band together and give Big Oil a world monopoly. legally binding, all wrapped up with a green bow tied around it.
Here’s a similar propaganda movie from a different generation.
https://youtu.be/kCxg1sVYbV4?t=14
I’m curious to know, when exactly did the climate stop changing and when did it start back up again ????
Great news. Now I can inform other proponents that they do have El Jazeera as a powerful ally.
Why am I having a hard time understanding what your comment has to do with my questions ????
Al Jazeera has thrown down the gauntlet… more stupid than the Associated Press and Reuters by 2016. It’s a mighty task, but they might be able to do it.
Then if they achieve that, they’ll go for being number one in stupid (currently a tie between NBC, Guardian, BBC, NYTimes, David Suzuki Foundation).
Sure. They recently bought the cable network from Al Gore. Remember?
My climate changed today. It rained yesterday but today’s been dry so far.
sweet.
+1
How many died is the question.
400,000 earth worms! wheres your empathy (or is that entropy)
michael
Al Jazeera runs a very tight budget.
They accommodate their Egyptian correspondents in very low cost accommodation.
What I often find myself wondering.
Is – does this dumbass Thom Hartman really NOT understand why he has a job as a regular presenter of his very own show on the Kremlin brainwashing machine – Russia Today.
I mean – is Hartman himself going to be the last to person on the planet to realize that he is being used to advance the disruption of U.S. and E.U. energy independence.
There he is, all cocksure, on RT every week telling us that Germany has already transitioned to solar etc
He must surely be the dumbest fool on planet earth.
Wake up Thom – You are on RUSSIA Today, the mouthpiece one of the the biggest Oil and Gas producers on the planet, 24% of their gas goes to Germany. Remember, Germany? The place that you keep mentioning. The solar miracle. – you freakin’ IDIOT.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2015/09/we-can-make-switch-clean-energy
If the disbelievers have caused 400,000 deaths, how many have the believers caused?
Are the believers really so fragile, that they die just because a few others don’t believe. It is very scary, but who knows, it is halloween.
Climate CANNOT kill anyone, anytime, anywhere. Only weather can kill humans. GK
Ah, but fighting climate change must cause its share of casualties and peripheral damage to be a “war on climate”.
I daresay that if you were suddenly thrust into an Antarctic climate without modern equipment, you would die pretty quickly. So, yes, climate can kill.
“if you were suddenly thrust into an Antarctic climate without modern equipment, you would die pretty quickly. So, yes, climate can kill.”
But you need that darned oil to get there.
Jeff,
It’s not the epidemic that makes you ill, it’s the disease.
@mebbe, perhaps that makes sense to you, but I don’t see how that applies.
Jeff,
Climate is an abstraction; a quasi-statistical compilation of weather events over an arbitrary period. This will not kill you, although one of the weather events that contributed to this “climate” may well do so.
You can go out into -50 degree weather and perish. There’s no such thing as a -50 degree climate.
An epidemic is, similarly, a view of multiple instances of a disease. It is not the disease itself.
The distinction is only worth making because of the intense hysteria that has surrounded the subject for the last couple of decades.
That’s right. Because climate is the average of 30 years of weather. So climate is completely man made.
You and mebbe understood perfectly. Thanks for the response. GK
The US government has a long history of helping and/or ignoring atrocities of THEIR SOB’s and persecuting/invading SOB’s that don’t tag along and/or belong to the other side. Al Jazeera could now be a US government favored SOB (along with Qatar/Saudi Arabia etc.). Maybe ISIS would get some US respect in this fashion if they jumped on the climate bandwagon.
Climate change kills 400,000 apparently, Islam kills 1000 per day.
The common theme of warmists and the Muslim brotherhood being philosophically on the same side says all that needs to be said about the debate. The real agenda is the establishment of a global global warming caliphate with the UN in charge. The world needs to stand up against this attack on their freedom.
Did you see they got some outfit to say 60 people died from the VW programing scandal? Only the beginning I’m afraid. Paris ho…
Step 1, Al Jazeera, Qatar should inmmediately stop its production of about 3.2 million barrels of oil equivalent per day from gas and 2 million barrels of oil per day (2014 figures) and leave the remaining hydrocarbons in the ground.
In fact, Qatar is the largest producer per capita of fossil fuels.
http://www.theenergycollective.com/sites/theenergycollective.com/files/imagepicker/488516/8.jpg
I see the U.S. with it’s 9.4 mmbpd of crude oil production didn’t even make the list. Maybe all those countries on the list should start making payments to the U.S.
the highly-politicised report by DARA/Climate Vulnerability Monitor, from whence the 400,000 claims originated:
62-page report: DARA/Climate Vulerability Monitor: A Guide to the Cold Calculus of a Hot Planet
http://daraint.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CVM2ndEd-FrontMatter.pdf
Wikipedia: Jose Maria Figueres, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, DARA
Figueres has three younger siblings, ***Christiana Figueres, Mariano, and Kirsten. Christiana Figueres is currently the Executive Director of the UNFCCC, responsible for international climate change negotiations…
At the same time and since having left government in Costa Rica, Figueres has served on numerous other Boards. He was Chairman of LEAD as well as FUNDES Internacional. He has also served as a director of the, World Wildlife Fund, the Botanic Research Institute Texas, the World Resources Institute (WRI), and the Stockholm Environment Institute.
Since 2008, Figueres has served as Chairman of the Global Fairness Initiative, taking on the role from its Founding Chairman, President Bill Clinton. He is currently a Board member of FRIDE, the Geneva Earth Council, Population Action International, and is Chairman of the Board of Trustees of DARA (international organization).
From 2009 until 2011, when its mandate was completed, Figueres served on UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s Advisory Group on Climate Change and Energy…
Figueres is a founding member of the Club de Madrid…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Figueres
Wikipedia: Climate Vulnerability Monitor
The Climate Vulnerable Forum is a global partnership of leaders of countries most vulnerable to climate change actively seeking a firm and urgent resolution to the growing climate crisis. It was founded by President Mohamed ***Nasheed of the Maldives and first met in November 2009…
***Nasheed has gone and, seemingly, there have been no further reports.
Is this the same Figueres as Jose Maria Figueres Olsen, Pres. of Costa Rica 1994-1998?
If so, he is on the Board of Trustees of the Rocky Mountain Institute, Colorado along with Jules Kortenhorst member of the Climate Change Task Force.
http://www.rmi.org/jose_maria_figueres_olsen
Center for the New Energy Economy/CNEE, Colorado State University
Bill Becker, CNEE Project Manager Powering Forward Plan Project and also a member of The Climate Change Task Force along with Sir. David King.
http://www.cnee.colostate.edu/p/people
Jose’s mother, Karen Olsen Beck, was born in the U.S. Has dual citizenship? Jose was with Carbon War Room which has now merged with the Rocky Mountain Institute.
His sister, Christina Figueres, is Executive Director of UNFCCC.
His half-sister, Munti, is/was Costa Rican Ambassador to the U.S.
Wikipedia: Carbon War Room, International NGO, London, NYC, Washington and now merged with Rocky Mountain Institute, Colorado, December 2014.
Founded by Richard Branson and founding CEO Jigar Shah in 2009. Shah is now a Board Trustee of Rocky Mountain Institute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_War_Room
Jigar Shah was a Greenpeace, U.S. Board member 2010-2013 and founder of SunEdison which he later sold.
http://www.rmi.org
They forgot to calculate how many have died because of the climate change UN/countries rules, regulations, and policies put in place. Hard to calculate, but I am sure it is more than 400,000.
The irony of a climate true believer claiming skeptics are involved in a conspiracy theory ideation is entertaining on so many levels.
this would have been a much better article if the author knew how to express irony – he seems genuinely upset at this laughable situation
The issue is not climate change killing 400,000 people, it is opportunists like Mehdi Hasan killing brain cells every time he opens his mouth.
Environmental Disasters account for over 5,000,000 deaths a year, that’s just mother nature doing it’s thing. Maybe Medhi might want to look at having Mother Nature fired as the steward of Nature. Of course in some camps that might be considered misogynist or war on women.
The tragedy in all this is that there are serious problems to address. For example about 1.5 million people die from air pollution, yes something actually real and that can be acted upon, but I do not see UN crisis management over that. Instead we have posters of Polar Bears, we like Polar Bears.
Philosophers broadly categorize two kinds of evil:
1) Moral evil, which is done by human actions, and
2) Non-moral evil, which is pain & suffering caused by natural disasters.
The warmists apparently have only one category for evil: moral evil. –i.e. ALL pain & suffering is traced to human actions.
Well, the lawyers will like the sound of that.
“Have you experienced some inconvenient weather, that wasn’t your fault.
Then, we the team at WeatherBlame4U can help attribute that nasty freak weather event to human causes.
Where there’s weather, there’s bother. And where there’s bother there’s blame.
Phone now, for your initial assessment.
‘000,000,000’s could be yours with only a nominal 99% charge for legal fees. No win, no fee…”
Evil requires intent. Natural disasters have no intent, because they’re not sentient beings. Calling a natural disaster “evil”, even with the caveat of “non-moral”, is pretty silly.
Jeff Alberts,
“Evil requires intent”,
Nope, that’s just not true.
merriam-webster~ Evil;
: morally bad
: causing harm or injury to someone
: marked by bad luck or bad events
People in all parts of the world suffer from their ignorance. Those in the Middle East for some reason are particularly vulnerable to conspiracy theories based on polling data.
This partially explains our
failures there.
Here in Australia, the ABC ( Taxpayer funded) pays for 2 hours of Al Jazeera broadcast every day.
Believe it or not, I view Al Jazeera to be reasonably balanced compared to the BBC, ABC and SBS in Australia. And IMO, SBS was a great channel in the late 1990’s. These days not so…
CAGW is in its death throes:
1) No global warming trend for almost 20 years, despite 30% of all manmade CO2 emissions since 1750 being made over just the last 2o years:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1996.6/plot/rss/from:1996.6/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1996.6/normalise/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1996.6/normalise
2) NASA just admitted Antarctic land ice has actually been GROWING at 100 gigaton per year since 1992:
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
3) Arctic Ice Extents have been recovering since 2007 as the AMO moves closer to its 30-year cool cycle starting around 2020:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
4) Antarctic Ice Extents have been growing steadily since satellite records began in 1979:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png
5) The discrepancies and duration between CAGW hypothetical projections vs. reality are already sufficient to disconfirm the CAGW hypothesis:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT-5-yr-means1.png
6) IPCC’s 2013 AR5 report admits there hasn’t been ANY increasing trends of severe weather intensity or frequency for 50~100 years (depending on the phenomenon): hurricanes, cyclones, typhoons, tornadoes, droughts, floods, thunderstorms, tropical storms, sub-tropical storms, hail, etc. (IPCC’s AR5 report chapter 2, pages 200~230)
7) Sea Level Rise stuck at just 7″ per CENTURY since 1807 to present (Jevrejeva et al 2014):
http://www.psmsl.org/products/reconstructions/jevrejevaetal2014.php
NONE of CAGW’s projections are coming even CLOSE to matching reality, which means it’s a disconfirmed hypothesis.
Leftists with any understanding of the Scientific Method understand CAGW is dead. This stupid upcoming Paris Left-Fest is the last chance for Leftist regimes to steal $trillions more from their citizens before the CAGW hypothesis becomes even more untenable than it already is.
The world doesn’t have too much CO2, it has too little freedom.
CAGW is in its death throes:
Maybe. But I think Paris COP21 in December stands a good chance of the birth of a Zombie Apocalypse.
Stephen Rasey:
You say
I very, very strongly agree. I explain why – and the nature of the zombies – here in a post on another WUWT thread.
Richard
Not as long as the politicians want it. Too much fraud and graft to be had.
This 400,000 number is a typical leftist “scare” number. Back in the 1980s and 90s we had the ozone hole and homelessness “scares”. However, if you took their woven entirely from whole cloth numbers, used some elementary school level math and a dollop of common sense, you quickly realized the numbers were pure BS. I remember running the X number of homeless die every second/minute/hour calculations and coming up with the rough equivalent of almost half our population dying per year. But, the media, just like with CAGW numbers, never questioned them.
Science may win the data war on CAGW, but winning the culture war is a whole different thing.
If Al Jazeera were worried about saving lives they would pluck the log out of their own eye. They have been one of the principal promoters of war in the Middle East. Wars they have promoted have cost more than 400,000 lives already. When they have turned Islam into a peaceful religion, then they can talk about the weather.
Consider the source….
Al Jazeera has nothing but contempt and vitriol for Western economies.
Al Jazeera has nothing but contempt for the US and Israel.
They are not our friends.
No more need be said……
Is it possible that Al Gore had left some obscure language in the deal to sell Current TV to al Jazeera that requires them to continue the Climate Change propaganda ?
Making energy more expensive results in millions of excess deaths.
Don’t look now, but the following argument will be made:
There are 60 million refugees from warfare of political strife
Political strife is caused by climate change
Therefore, there are now 60 million refugees caused by climate change.
Sorry Stephen, but you clearly don’t understand climate math,
There are 60 million refugees from warfare or political strife
Political strife is caused by climate change
Warfare is caused by climate change
Therefore, there are now 120 million refugees caused by climate change
But refugees stress the economies of the countries they go to. This is called the “feedback effect” and amplifies the direct refugees by 3 to 6 times
Therefore there will be 360 to 720 million refugees caused by climate change by 2050.
The above numbers will be reviewed from time to time, and if the issue has faded from the headlines, the numbers will be adjusted.
I am thinking Philippe Verdier probably shouldn’t apply for a job at Al Jazeera?
Mehdi Hassan talking out of his arse? whaaaaa…..shocked.
/sarc²
i love it…so CO2 is not the problem, it is denial… so i can drive my suv, fly around the world as long i agree it is catastrophic for climate…
Am i dreaming?
Al Jazeera was modeled on–and built with recruits from–the British Brainwashing Corporation.
It isn’t any different to its evil mother.
So Al Jazeera has now taken up western politics’ Crusade.
Hate speech
I did some research and found some startling facts. Every year, thousands of retirees move from northern states to the warmer climate of Florida. These are people who survived perfectly well for about 70 years in cold, snowy weather, but believed the deniers who told them that higher temperatures were nothing to worry about. Within a decade or two, most of them are dead, obviously victims of Geographically Induced Climate Disruption (GICR).
Of course, there’s another explanation. I discovered that people are heading south in droves. I’m not sure what “droves” are, but clearly they’re death traps. After every major disaster or war, there are always reports of people being killed or injured in droves. Just to safe, everyone should pay attention to the scientifical evidence. Avoid warm weather and for God’s sake…stay out of droves.
** Al Jazeera used that fig on18 Jun 2013 On a webpage story entitled Stop climate deniers from winning the information war The piece was written by Nick Fillmore
“Nick Fillmore is a Toronto-based freelance journalist and social activist. ”
“The world’s environment is now in a disastrous state – climate change kills more than 400,000 people a year, according to a 2012 report, and costs the world economy an estimated $1.2tn a year.
Media and public interest groups in North America must do much more to rid media of the false information about the climate.“(projection or what !)
that linked to http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/27/climate-change-kills-400-000-a-year-new-report-reveals.html
dated 09.27.12 and titled : Climate Change Kills 400,000 a Year, New Report Reveals
The PDF referenced was produced by Climate Vulnerability Monitor something organised by DARA (a HR NGO*) and the Climate Vulnerable Forum
The newspaper article said “a study commissioned by 20 of the world’s governments whose nations are most threatened by climate change ”
The report itself says ” The Climate Vulnerability Monitor’s second edition was commissioned
at the November 2011 Ministerial Meeting of the Forum at Dhaka, Bangladesh.”
I note the report features “JOSÉ MARÍA FIGUERES Trustee of DARA, Former President
of Costa Rica” ..older brother of Christiana Figueres executive secretary of the United Nations Climate Change Secretariat of course
Strangely Climate Vulnerability Monitor didn’t put out any work or press releases since 2012 but are still active posting alarmist stories on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ClimateVulnerabilityMonitor/
*( an organisation focused on the evaluation and improvement of policy and practice in the area of humanitarian action and development. )
If we proceed on the basis that human life has intrinsic or exceptional value, then it must be noted that one-child and selective-child (i.e. pro-choice) policies are the leading causes of premeditated human mortality in the world. Elective abortion and clinical cannibalism cost over 1 million lives annually in America alone. And the science of human evolution from conception is well established and [literally] reproduced by the billions throughout history.
Is it climate change or weather that is the concern?
Also why drop catastrophic, anthropogenic, and warming from the lexicon?
That said, human evolution from conception deniers costing over one million lives annually in America alone. In terms of absolute, verifiable numbers, the people who normalized and defend one-child and selective-child (i.e. pro-choice) policies, pose a greater threat to the quality and viability of human life.
Is it climate change or weather that is the concern?
Also why drop catastrophic, anthropogenic, and warming from the lexicon?
Finally, if human life has intrinsic or exceptional value, what about the millions of lives lost due to one-child and selective-child policies?
Evolution from conception deniers cost lives and debase human life.
Let me guess. We need a jihad against “deniers “.
No surprise, what else would Al Jihad…err Al Jazeera…claim? These are the same people that conflate negligent living, turning their homes into S-Holes, with climate change.
http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/africa/2015/08/senegal-imam-calls-green-jihad-150805051318929.html
Are “Climate “deniers”” now going to be the 21st century terrorists?
How twisted and typically third world irresponsible.
Man has not been able to change one weather event let alone global climate.
The climate change that we are experiencing is typical of the Holocene for the past 10,000 years. It is caused by the sun and the oceans. We are currently warming up from the Little Ice Age much as we warmed up from the Dark Ages Cooling Period more than a thousand years ago. No one has come up with a means of controlling the sun and the oceans in such a way so as to stop the climate from changing. We do not even know what the best climate is. If we keep climate the way it is today, the polar ice caps will continue to melt and sea levels will continue to rise until the ice caps have all melted away. If we can force a cooling trend we may cause the premature start of the next ice age and its continental ice sheets which some might object to. To date Man has been unable to change individual weather events let alone alter global climate.
There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record. There is evidence that warmer temperatures cause more CO2 to enter the atmosphere but there is no evidence that this additional CO2 causes any more warming. If additional greenhouse gases caused additional warming then the primary culprit would have to be H2O which depends upon the warming of just the surfaces of bodies of water and not their volume but such is not part of the AGW conjecture.
The AGW theory is that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes an increase in its radiant thermal insulation properties causing restrictions in heat flow which in turn cause warming at the Earth’s surface and the lower atmosphere. In itself the effect is small because we are talking about small changes in the CO2 content of the atmosphere and CO2 comprises only about .04% of dry atmosphere if it were only dry but that is not the case. Actually H2O, which averages around 2%, is the primary greenhouse gas. The AGW conjecture is that the warming causes more H2O to enter the atmosphere which further increases the radiant thermal insulation properties of the atmosphere and by so doing so amplifies the effect of CO2 on climate. At first this sounds very plausible. This is where the AGW conjecture ends but that is not all what must happen if CO2 actually causes any warming at all.
Besides being a greenhouse gas, H2O is also a primary coolant in the Earth’s atmosphere transferring heat energy from the Earth;s surface. which is mostly H2O, to where clouds form via the heat of vaporization. More heat energy is moved by H2O via phase change then by both convection and LWIR absorption band radiation combined. More H2O means that more heat energy gets moved which provides a negative feedback to any CO2 based warming that might occur. Then there is the issue of clouds. More H2O means more clouds. Clouds not only reflect incoming solar radiation but they radiate to space much more efficiently then the clear atmosphere they replace. Clouds provide another negative feedback. Then there is the issue of the upper atmosphere which cools rather than warms. The cooling reduces the amount of H2O up there which decreases any greenhouse gas effects that CO2 might have up there. In total, H2O provides negative feedback’s which must be the case because negative feedback systems are inherently stable as has been the Earth’s climate for at least the past 500 million years, enough for life to evolve. We are here. The wet lapse rate being smaller then the dry lapse rate is further evidence of H2O’s cooling effects.
A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of the heat trapping effects of greenhouse gases. A real greenhouse stays warm because the glass reduces cooling by convection. This is a convective greenhouse effect. So too on Earth..The surface of the Earth is 33 degrees C warmer than it would be without an atmosphere because gravity limits cooling by convection. This convective greenhouse effect is observed on all planets in the solar system with thick atmospheres and it has nothing to do with the LWIR absorption properties of greenhouse gases. the convective greenhouse effect is calculated from first principals and it accounts for all 33 degrees C. There is no room for an additional radiant greenhouse effect. Our sister planet Venus with an atmosphere that is more than 90 times more massive then Earth’s and which is more than 96% CO2 shows no evidence of an additional radiant greenhouse effect. The high temperatures on the surface of Venus can all be explained by the planet’s proximity to the sun and its very dense atmosphere. The radiant greenhouse effect of the AGW conjecture has never been observed. If CO2 did affect climate then one would expect that the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years would have caused an increase in the natural lapse rate in the troposphere but that has not happened. Considering how the natural lapse rate has changed as a function of an increase in CO2, the climate sensitivity of CO2 must equal 0.0.
The AGW conjecture talks about CO2 absorbing IR photons and then re radiating them out in all directions. According to this, then CO2 does not retain any of the IR heat energy it absorbs so it cannot be heat trapping. What the AGW conjecture fails to mention is that typically between the time of absorption and radiation that the same CO2 molecule, in the lower troposphere, undergoes roughly a billion physical interactions with other molecules, sharing heat related energy with each interaction. Heat transfer by conduction and convection dominates over heat transfer by LWIR absorption band radiation in the troposphere which further renders CO2’s radiant greenhouse effect as a piece of fiction. Above the troposphere more CO2 enhances the efficiency of LWIR absorption band radiation to space so more CO2 must have a cooling effect.
This is all a matter of science.
Surely the loss of a few hundred thousand lives is just what the deep greens desire. As I recall. Comrade Holdren, recently retired Science Adviser to comrade Obama wrote in his book that 1 billion is the maximum allowable human population. As Obama is in thrall of Holdren……………..
Check me on this, but if we believe in CAGW and we take it seriously, then shouldn’t we be eliminating our use of fossil fuel in favor of ‘renewable’ or ‘green’ energy sources?
If we were to do this perfectly well then we would probably not actually need any more petroleum, right?
So . . . in conclusion, if this Al-Jazeera reporter knows whence his bread is actually buttered, should he not be ‘in the pocket of big oil’?
I mean, if anyone should be a “climate denier”, it should be the people of the Arabian peninsula and the Persian Gulf region.
Just curious how they’re on the ‘wrong’ side of the debate with regard to their own self-interest. If I were the guy running the country who’s wealth depends on producing oil, I wouldn’t support the news guy spouting this nonsense, never-mind how illogical/unsupportable to say that climate change kills 400,000 people per year.