Uh, oh…It’s about to become more about the people behind the letter, than the letter itself.
Now all we need is a steamy potboiler novel and some internal investigations and it could be Rajenda Pachauri all over again.
The big story at Climate Audit this week (see Shukla’s Gold) is about the twenty authors of the letter demanding that climate skeptics be put on trial, and in particular the man pushing the letter, Jagadish Shukla, seems to be getting quite prosperous with all that Koch Brothers money Oil Money public money he gets sent his way. Steve McIntyre writes:
In 2001, the earliest year thus far publicly available, in 2001, in addition to his university salary (not yet available, but presumably about $125,000), Shukla and his wife received a further $214,496 in compensation from IGES (Shukla -$128,796; Anne Shukla – $85,700). Their combined compensation from IGES doubled over the next two years to approximately $400,000 (additional to Shukla’s university salary of say $130,000), for combined compensation of about $530,000 by 2004.
Shukla’s university salary increased dramatically over the decade reaching $250,866 by 2013 and $314,000 by 2014. (In this latter year, Shukla was paid much more than Ed Wegman, a George Mason professor of similar seniority). Meanwhile, despite the apparent transition of IGES to George Mason, the income of the Shuklas from IGES continued to increase, reaching $547,000 by 2013. Combined with Shukla’s university salary, the total compensation of Shukla and his wife exceeded $800,000 in both 2013 and 2014. In addition, as noted above, Shukla’s daughter continued to be employed by IGES in 2014; IGES also distributed $100,000 from its climate grant revenue to support an educational charity in India which Shukla had founded.
But it seems Shukla doesn’t like people looking into that, because the letter seems to have been disappeared from the IGES website. I’ve confirmed this over 24 hours and several search techniques. What was once visible to search engines, is no more:
The original link that no longer works: http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
The letter survives on the Wayback Machine here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20150920110942/http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
And here is the letter as a single image, with page 1 and 2 combined from the PDF:
Bishop Hill notes:
You can imagine the horror on the signatories’ faces when they realised that some very determined people were about to take a close interest in their financial arrangements and those of their colleagues at IGES.
I’m not sure taking the letter down is going to help much though.
The Streisand effect has been unleashed Mr. Shukla, enjoy the ride.
h/t to Russell Cook
Note: shortly after publication, this story was updated to make two links active (a recent wordpress problem caused this) and a hat tip added.
I applaud this excellent counter-attack. Looks to me like a bulls eye shot from Steve McIntyre
Actually, I would credit Roger Pielke, Jr. for noticing Shukla’s comfortable arrangement and tweeting it out in response to the news of the letter. here. Steve et al are clearly digging deeper as we speak. And it appears again to be worse than we thought.
My thanks to Anthony Watts for the hat tip to me. I was in the process of writing up my own blog post for GelbspanFiles about the RICO letter’s single source problem on accusing skeptic organizations of corruption, but when going back to the letter for one more detail, it was not there anymore. An internet search revealed the Google Cache version of it, and a commenter at ClimateAudit spotting the disappearance ( http://climateaudit.org/2015/09/25/disinformation-from-barry-klinger-and-the-rico-20/#comment-763637 ) days earlier than I did.
Since IGES says:
Here are their FTP files via Google search.
ftp://iges.org/
The whole family is in on the cash…
IGES Personnel:
President Shukla, Jagadish
Business Manager Shukla, Anastasia
Assistant Business Manager Shukla, Sonia
Director, COLA Kinter, James
Assistant to the President Shukla, Sonia
How did that Kinter guy get in?
Kinder was a resident of Delaware ? ( saves on state taxes)
It’s worse than it first appears.
The money was given to the charity by the State in order to do good works.
Some of that money needs to go on administration but that must be minimised. It’s not what the money is for.
So who did he find as the most efficient administrators? Who snatches least from the mouths of the needy?
His Wife and Daughter.
That’s worse than it first appears.
How did that Kinter guy get in?
Wild Guess, Sonia Shukla’s significant other, Anastasia is too close to the cheddar
A short search turns up Anne D. Siegel as Kinter’s wife. I’ve found no connections to the Shukla crew, but I’ve no time to search further.
Like the OLD fighter pilot’s caveat says: — Tracers work equally well in both directions !!
g
Amen! And the bigger target gets hit the most!
It sounds to me a little like The Clinton Foundation
Coupla orders of magnitude different in $. Same M.O.
I am looking forward to this thread because I know nothing about IGES or any of the signatories to the letter. However, I do know about the letter and it’s clumsy attempt to bring back the Dark Ages.
I have no doubt WUWT will give me an interesting education over the next few hours.
Personal opinion regarding the 20 signatories: Stupid fools. They would be well advised to read James Madison’e Federalist Paper on a free press and free speech
Madison’s = Madison’s
I can’t imagine what Trenberth was thinking when he signed this one. I also can’t imagine the outcome of a real vested-interest investigation into the entire climate change issue on the part of, say, congress, especially one conducted with a lack of political bias or prior convictions. Might they decide that an entire scientific research industry that has been created from nothing over the last 25 years has a strong vested interest? Might they be forced to reassess Climategate?
This is indeed the kind of thing that I’m sure everybody would like to see disappear. Shining a light under wet rocks is a good way to find a lot more than you bargained for.
rgb
I have no desire to see this disappear.
I want a very bright spotlight shone on it, long and hard.
Yes, but I’m sure Robert was referring to the signers and other funding beneficiaries.
Aah, yes. No doubt.
Sorry.
A “real vested-interest investigation” (presuming that there is a “real” one) should not lose sight of the forest for the trees. The gross diversion of public funds in all likelihood was conducted with the blue ribbon stamp of approval of government bureaucrats. Expect the i’s to be dotted and the t’s crossed. The focus should ultimately turn to the bureaucrats who, to push a political agenda that would likewise benefit them, were participants in this practice, one that appears to have extended over many years. My money is on the bureacurats who handed out $6M to develop climate games.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/26/5-7-million-nsf-grant-to-columbia-university-for-climate-voice-mails-from-the-future/
Bets anyone?
Looks like Trenberth is about to find some missing heat.
That’s a hot one!
Trenberth likely received compensation for his advisory role from IGES.
Like joining the Mafia, the only exit is death.
It’s now wonder Trenberth felt he had to signed the letter.
A Google site search of the IGES website yields ‘About 126 results’. Citations of his ‘scientific’ publications, and references.
site:http://www.iges.org “Trenberth”
It is always astonishing to me how people seek the limelight when actual light is the last thing they want.
Hubris?
My personal opinion is
(a) that they don’t actually think what they are doing is “bad”. Until its pointed out, which is way too late.
(b) They think they are safe, because the opponents are too stupid or incompetent. Or don’t have access to the internet.
I will go with (a). Never attribute to conspiracy, that which can be accounted for by incompetence.
I wouldn’t entirely discount (b). Living in an area where “everyone’s a progressive” gives me an insight into groupthink. Since they live entirely within an echo chamber and have never, once, ever heard an opposing view – the thought that there might even be an opposing view is foreign to them. As vile and abusive as what you may have read by way of response by a progressive in any online post – it doesn’t even begin to approach the level of invective they use in private. So – yes, they really DO think their opponents are too stupid, incompetent, and nowhere near well read enough, to dispute them.
Or the more obvious, since they have always accused sceptics of being in thralldom of “Big Oil” , that they were actually the ones who owed their souls to the company store.
A and B each describe different subsets with plenty of examples of each. The RICO 20 probably are mostly “A” types that think deniers are evil (and also a tiny minority); doing evil to evil is good.
I suspect some (a)s are also (b) and some (b)s are also (a).
Hubris it is, at least for the leaders of the pack. The rest are swept up in the emotion of it all. I have played this game with real people who were stealing real money, lots of it. Shinning a very bright light on the scam is what eventually stopped it. The leaders know exactly what they are doing, but their belief in being bullet proof is what makes them vulnerable. The followers are taken by emotion and are enthralled with the leaders, believing every word that the leaders tell them and sure that they all are somehow untouchable.
But once they see a leader get wounded, they do start to bail. The leaders, in fear of losing their stream of money, fight back, so holding that bright light has big costs. I greatly admire those who are willing to shine light on the scam. The efforts that I was part of were on a tiny scale compared to this international sized scam. We can see this same process all playing out now on a grand scale.
“… but their belief in being bullet proof is what makes them vulnerable.”
They do the Ghost Dance every day before leaving for the office.
As one mike Hesseler at Bishop Hills blog states
“IT IS TIME WE SCEPTICS STOPPED JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS SCAM AND DEMANDED THAT THIS WHOLE RACKET WAS INVESTIGATED PROPERLY BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS”. Surely lawmakers must see big dollars and time on this.
Until a sleaze breaks a law there is no crime. Bending regulations won’t get you there. The government and the universities are using other people’s money so don’t expect to hear much more about this. Example: Is there any news about the Ship of Fools from OZ that got stuck in the ice?
JH, I suspect sending $100k of research grant money to a personal charitable foundation in India breaks more than one law about use of federal grant funds.
Yeah, I was wondering about that part of it.
Thanks Dr. Istvan.
“Until a sleaze breaks a law there is no crime. ”
Isn’t lying on one’s applications for grant funding in support of your research (and receiving such funds) theft of value by deceit and therefore criminal fraud? How about colluding to substantively misstate facts of reality in such grant applications being conspiracy to commit fraud?
Anybody want to speculate on how many family members in India are “employed” by the personal “Charitable Foundation”.
It doesn’t have to break a law. $800 hammers and toilets for DoD didn’t break a law. This looks terrible in the court of public opinion. Even in today’s America where Socialism is barely still unseemly, cronyism gets the populists’ dander up. This is why MSM will bury this so deep that even Mann’s upside down curves will never find it.
In govt contracts, they typically take the cost of overhead and spread it out evenly over each item in the contract. The $10million dollar computer and the $5 dollar hammer, both got $800 added to them for overhead.
Nobody notices on the computer, but everyone makes a stink about the hammer.
As to the toilet seat, it was a one off job for a nuclear submarine. Needed to be water tight and included latches to make sure it didn’t open if the sub needed to make drastic maneuvers.
There was also the thousand dollar coffee maker, that was designed to go into an unpressurized patrol plane, so the entire maker had to be pressurized. You couldn’t just go down to Wal-Mart to get one of those.
Eliza.
Absolutely correct. We must not let this be forgotten through ‘moving on’ . Someone in the US should write formally to the Enforcement Authorities and ask for a detailed investigation, and we ask Mr Watts to keep the subject ‘hot’ by providing newly found information as a new topic under a different heading rather than add it to this particular contribution that might not be picked up amongst all the other topics covered.
As an alumnus of George Mason University I no longer contribute anything at all to them because of their official sponsorship and promotion of all sorts of CAGW programs and indoctrination. It used to be a good school but is now just another politically-correct propaganda mill in my opinion.
Tobacco companies are a much different entity than free people with a right to free speech. The way these 20 people think is disgusting and I’m sure enjoy the thought of the US Constitutions protection of their freedoms, but for us others, they would deny the same privileges they enjoy.
No matter what the Tobacco industry said or supported, it was ALWAYS up to the buyer to chose to buy or not to buy. Not so with this Global Warming industry!!!
Add this to the list: Climate change causes nepotism.
As the late Yogi would have remarked: Nepotism is OK as long as it’s kept in the family.
Credit should be given to R.P. Jr., he’s the one that sparked this entire ‘investigation’.
Duly noted
good job McIntyre! Some like this needs to be done on EPA with NRDC and Greenpeace in the collusion on the Clean Air and Water acts as well as the new Ozone regulations
in case you didn’t it see today – another 10 million acres in the western states will be withdrawn from development – thanks BLM EPA ABC DEF etc…..
Dont forget GIH- Gubmint Invaders from H-e-double hockeysticks.
Aw’ c’mon folks. Let’s not be too condemning. After all, that guy, Shuks … er, Shukla, um, probably has a pretty heavy duty Carbon Credits tab. Or, maybe, he’s just got an addiction to expensive tastes: an addiction he’s fought mightily against, but just can’t quit. So, let’s not single him out from our other virile, brave, honorable Climate Warriors who all seem to exhibit the same symptoms of addiction to expensive tastes, or simply a lust for other people’s money.
“Officer! I am trying to save the world from future threats and these citizens are getting in my way! I command you by the authority of settled science to arrest them!!!”
How far would that get you?
I’m not even going to try it.
In the UK you can petition a judge to issue an ASBO.
Are they going to take legal action against the UAH and RSS satellites, for transmitting data that supports non-alarm?
Are they going to take action against the Antarctic sea ice, for growing to its maximum extent since satellite measurement began? Against Cat3+ North Atlantic hurricanes for totally disappearing from the US coastline for the last ten years? indeed against cyclones globally for showing no increase in cumulative energy? Against the sea level for showing no increase in its average rate of rise from the non-alarming 3.4mm/year long term trend? etc etc.
Doubtlessly once Obama is told that some personal catastrophe (such as family asthma) is directly caused by the evils of “climate weirding” then he will surely take a great personal interest in suing natural forces and in pursuing the evil skeptics who have allied themselves with the devious weather. Weather which in so many cases is deviously refusing to behave in the anticipated alarming manner.
Just as happened in the case of King James, who whilst formerly a skeptic, was finally convinced of the reality of witchcraft induced storminess after having to tolerate a surprise day-trip to Norway:
“As part of the background to the trials, a year or so prior to these events, King James VI of Scotland, who had initially been quite lenient towards witchcraft, experienced terrible storms while sailing to Copenhagen to marry Princess Anne of Denmark, and was forced to take refuge on the coast of Norway for some time. More storms greeted their return journey, and the admiral of the escorting Danish fleet (among others) blamed the storm on witchcraft. These events drastically changed James’ views towards witchcraft, and he became single-minded in his persecution of witchcraft in Scotland, later writing a book, “Daemonologie”, instructing his followers that they must denounce and prosecute any supporters or practitioners of witchcraft.”
http://www.witchcraftandwitches.com/trials_north_berwick.html
Speechless. For now, by choice it would seem.
Evidently George Mason has also slipped on ethical standards of financial conduct as well. Bring in the auditors.
Yep – move over, Penn State – you have company.
Friends they started this with RICO what can I say??
Ah Try to..
Think..
ahm….
NO PRISONERS!
michael
I know 11 of them, esteemed scientists, pretty good too, but they must be out of their mind.
Maybe we’re assuming too much, i.e., that the supposed signers actually know they’re signers or knew what they were signing.
climatologist
Not at all unusual for highly (but narrowly) educated people to look/behave like fools when they wander outside their speciality (reference Linus Pauling & vitamin C).
You are aware, are you not, that Dr. Pauling is a Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry. Are you suggesting that he, after studying a wide variety of aspects of human health for 20+ years, would be confused to the point of foolishness. Please.
BTW, In 1970 his principal scientific research was on the molecular basis of disease.
I suspect someone else is behaving like a fool here, perhaps wandering outside his specialty.
Please read Dr Pauling’s book: Vitamin C, the Common Cold and the Flu.
JW
Come on Chip. Pauling was a brilliant chemist who got half way to the structure of DNA on purely theoretical grounds, while Crick & Watson had X-ray crystallography working for them (read Watson’s book,The Double Helix). Plus on his daily diet of vitamin C, he lived to be 93. I’ll take some of that. Plus Pauling was a polymath and wrote widely on many subjects other than chemistry.
it is well established that Linus, eventually, in his life, went off the deep end.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/high-dose-vitamin-c-and-cancer-has-linus-pauling-been-vindicated/
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/luc-montagnier-and-the-nobel-disease/
Pauling may have been a Nobel prize winner but he was completely wrong on Vitamin C. There’s no evidence to support his Vitamin C ideas. Regarding DNA he did get close but he failed to realise the role of the duplex ATGC intermolecular base pair bonding. In fact he got the structure inside out. His son was also at Cambridge and leaked Pauling the X-ray structure so he wasn’t working blond
“…he wasn’t working blond…”
I like it!
Wurts, it happens all the time. Just because you have put him up on a pedestal, don’t expect everyone else to.
@ J Wurts Sep 29 3:23
Funny you should mention that JW.
As a matter of fact, I actually attended a lecture by Nobelist, Linus Pauling.
Subject of his lecture, was essentially; The Molecular basis for Disease.
More specifically he explained in great detail exactly how a molecular structural variation in Hemoglobin radically alters the shape of the hemoglobin molecule, and leads to the disease known as ‘ sickle cell anemia ‘
SCA is a disease that is somewhat prevalent in some Africans an as a result in some Americans, with African ancestry. It causes the red blood cells, which are like hockey pucks, to bow into a curved disc, that doesn’t go through the fine capillaries as easy, leading to oxygen starvation of tissues.
Pauling asserted that this was the first disease to have a definite molecular chemistry structural cause. Don’t know if that presumably genetic defect has ever resulted in a cure or at least treatment therapies for SCA victim.
By the way; Pauling was just about the most exciting lecturer, I have ever heard. Bill Shockley was also a live wire lecturer.
That was at U of A circa 1960.
g
George E. Smith September 30, 2015 at 12:23 pm
@ J Wurts Sep 29 3:23
Funny you should mention that JW.
As a matter of fact, I actually attended a lecture by Nobelist, Linus Pauling.
Subject of his lecture, was essentially; The Molecular basis for Disease.
More specifically he explained in great detail exactly how a molecular structural variation in Hemoglobin radically alters the shape of the hemoglobin molecule, and leads to the disease known as ‘ sickle cell anemia ‘
SCA is a disease that is somewhat prevalent in some Africans an as a result in some Americans, with African ancestry. It causes the red blood cells, which are like hockey pucks, to bow into a curved disc, that doesn’t go through the fine capillaries as easy, leading to oxygen starvation of tissues.
Pauling asserted that this was the first disease to have a definite molecular chemistry structural cause. Don’t know if that presumably genetic defect has ever resulted in a cure or at least treatment therapies for SCA victim.
The nearest thing to that George would be ‘Hematopoietic Stem Cell Transplantation’, usually from a near relative who does not have the disease.
Dave September 30, 2015 at 7:22 am
Regarding DNA he did get close but he failed to realise the role of the duplex ATGC intermolecular base pair bonding. In fact he got the structure inside out. His son was also at Cambridge and leaked Pauling the X-ray structure so he wasn’t working blond
The X-ray diffraction image came from Rosalind Franklin at King’s so his son, Peter, being at Cambridge wouldn’t have done any good, Pauling certainly hadn’t seen the photo. Had he been able to travel outside the US and visited King’s it’s quite possible that Crick and Watson would have been scooped (something they were paranoid about), however as a suspected communist he wasn’t allowed a passport, it was restored to him in 1954 in order that he could receive the Nobel prize.
As it happened with the poor images he had he made the same mistake that Crick and Watson initially made, however he didn’t have the advantage of having Rosalind point out their elementary chemistry error (something that Watson resented, hence his referring to her as the ‘Dark Lady’).
So when does he get the invite to the WH and Medal of Freedom award or the invite to Stockholm?
The phony Nobel Prize is Oslo
One other thing this letter has unearthed is the existence of the “Center for Climate Change Communication” at George Mason Uni.
It is headed up by Edward Maibach, one of the co-signatories, who is also a Professor at the University, specialising in communication.
He is joined by no less than sixteen other staff from George Mason, mainly Professors or Assistant Profs, and another thirteen from other universities.
The Center’s role is described as :
Climate change is the result of human actions and choices. Limiting climate change – and protecting people and ecosystems to the degree possible from unavoidable changes in the climate – will require significant public engagement in the issue so that difficult decisions can be made by members of the public and policy makers. Our center was created to conduct unbiased social science research that will facilitate such public engagement.
Amongst its providers of major funding are listed NASA, the National Science Foundation and private foundations such as Grantham Foundation and Rockefeller Family Fund.
This sounds like one hell of an expenisve effort to push global warming propaganda.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/edward-maibach-the-center-for-climate-change-communication-that-letter/
https://pgtruspace.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/climate-change-is-now-a-1-5-trillion-industry/
Notably absent is Dr. Walter E Williams.
…and that ain’t no surprise.
At least the economics department at GMU didn’t sign…
By it´s role description – the center seems corrupt.
Well spotted.
I love the first sentence, “Climate change is the result of human actions and choices” – unequivocal and decided… followed by “Our center was created to conduct unbiased social science research…”
I think the author needs to meditate on the meaning of ‘unbiased’
unbiased social science research?
when everyone of them is prowarmist?
oh suuure its going to be unbiased, ruly truly it is
No mystery then what is meant by the green movement. And a good example of the Peter Principle at work.
As Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds says, the only way to deal with bullies is the punch back twice as hard.
There is so much wrong with what these 20 persons have done. Here is just one perspective.
It is quite silly by these 20 to implicitly indicate that public funded scientist have superior integrity:
“Research funding – is a term generally covering any funding for scientific research …. The term often connotes funding obtained through a competitive process, in which potential research projects are evaluated and only the most promising receive funding.”
“The process of grant writing and grant proposing is a somewhat delicate process for both the grantor and the grantee: the grantors want to choose the research that best fits their scientific principles, and the individual grantees want to apply for research in which they have the best chances but also in which they can build a body of work towards future scientific endeavors.”
“A theoretical model has been established whose simulations imply that peer review and over-competitive research funding foster mainstream opinion to monopoly.”
(Wikipedia)
The idea that a person or group, who makes a living and build their professional careers by such funding will automatically provide high integrity research is simply wrong. The perspective on the issue at hand is governed by the funding process. There are few incentives to expose own and other´s ideas, hypothesis and theories to the fiercest struggle for survival – even though that is fundamental to the scientific process – fundamental to the accumulation of knowledge. Theories are merited by the severity of the tests they have been exposed to and survived.
These 20 have certainly written themselves into the history of science, unfortunately by defaming themselves.
I gather that one way to maintain IGES’ non-profit status is to periodically drain off any accumulated taxpayer-funded surplus grant money into family accounts. Based on SM’s analysis showing this has been going on for several years, there is a risk of addiction. That’ll be hard to pin on Big Tobacco, though.
A non-profit can accumulate funds. Totally reasonable. The directors of the organisation with said accumulations cannot (legally) derive personal benefit from those funds.
Please guys, you are causing a diplomatic incident. Prof Shukla is an advisor to the Indian government. https://newsdesk.gmu.edu/2015/09/mason-professor-appointed-to-indias-prime-ministers-council-on-climate-change/
So is he registered as a foreign agent?
(not a joke, it’s the law)
michael
Do the FBI need to be told that these climate scams dwarf the FIFA corruption scandal.
Is he in the advisory group for the Pope?
Who will be the first consensus believer to step forward and condemn this behavior?
chirp, chirp, chirp
Looks like they kicked an own goal on this one. We should return the favour and ask for a RICO investigation in the climate industry.
The Climategate e-mails should contain enough material to justify the investigation. If not, a thorough investigation of data “adjustment” should suffice.
As an aside, I see the word “skeptic” is still bandied about vs the PC term “doubter” approved by the AP style guide and endorsed by AW.
Following or adhering to a PC or any phrase adopted by a warmist process is nothing but a trap. It also is a boot stomp on the face of free speech.
‘Doubter’ doesn’t cut it if this the sort of shennanigans going on. Even skeptic seems a bit too light in light of this!! I didn’t understand Anthony’s endorsement of ‘doubter’ and rejection of ‘skeptic’. This is exactly the argument presented by the insider CAGW scientists, that we are not skeptics – that’s the job of scientists – we are in a different category than noble skeptical scientists. They don’t want to give credit that is definitely due to self-styled skeptics. They want to pretend that their own is causing all the change. “It’s working” sort of crap. AP doesn’t want to do that either, although I’m glad they are climbing down from the previously shoddy treatment of real skeptics.
I submit, that the very good work done by real skeptics on this side has shaken the foundations of what was previously a free-for-all by “proponents” of warming science and a new world order. We didn’t let them get away with it and I’m not going to accept neutering myself to be nice.
The word ‘sceptic’ (or ‘skeptic’ over the water) still means what it always meant.
Being a sceptic is nothing to be ashamed of, especially in a scientific context. It’s the function of any intellect to be sceptical – to question everything. Integrity demands it.
We must not let the alarmists sully the word or its true meaning.
‘Skeptic’ and ‘doubter’ both have negative connotations, as they implicitly reject a ‘received wisdom’ or ‘truth’. I have long preferred ‘realist’, as opposed to ‘fabulist’ (or ‘cultist’). Of course the Climatists can claim to be ‘realists’, too, but they aren’t, and we can prove it.
/Mr Lynn
The PDF file has been replaced with a new file that contains the following statement:
Like roaches when the light comes on.
Why did the Steve Miller Band song, “Take the Money and Run” just pop into my head after reading this?
Translation: “Take the money and run.”
Wow!! They’ve been forced to fold up their tents!! “inadvertently posted” on IGES web site! I think it’s time to get the FBI in there and in NSF, NASA, NOAA and whoever else has been connected to this conveyor belt from the treasury to these pockets. Perhaps a series of investigations by Steve McIntyre of all the major grant streams to the main cast of characters will bear fruit. This may be the best avenue to bring down this surreal scam fest. They had to make do with tax evasion to put Al Capone away – why not use it on the Climb Syndicate (thanks to Mark Steyn for the term). Maybe Cuccinelli has a legitimate course to pursue this time if he is still around.
But they were still able to send an official letter to the President of the USA on September 1st. so is it dissolved or not?
If it is (as of July 1) why did they send the letter (what letter) and if it isn’t why have they said it is and are closing the website?
more questions…they really shouldn’t have started this should they.
It’s simple. They couldn’t use the GMU email because that would have clearly caused problems for the University’s tax exemption. So they used their own tax-exempt. Why? Because they thought that coming from an organization that was 99% funded by some of the most “prestigious” government agencies would lend credibility in the eyes of the letter’s recipients, Obama, Lynch, and Holdren.
Otherwise they would have used gmail.
I presume you are all aware that Congresswoman Barbara Comstock (VA-10), whose subcommittee has oversight of NSF, has been made aware of all the details. Buy popcorn futures.
But the letter is dated September 1st. How long does it take to decommission a web site?
Even though they took the letter down that doesn’t mean they didn’t mail copies to Obama, Lynch, and Holdren. Luckily it was made public before it was disappeared.
I think it’s really sad to decommission a website that has been up since at least December 1998. Goodbye IGES. It’s a pity about the timing after 17 years!
http://web.archive.org/web/19981212025811/http://www.iges.org/
This page says the website had this page updated in January 1996.
last update: 23 January 1996
comments to: www@grads.iges.org
http://web.archive.org/web/19981205191910/http://www.iges.org/igesblurb.html
This is the part of the letter that really gets my goat: “We are now at high risk of seriously destabilizing
the Earth’s climate and irreparably harming people around the world, especially the world’s
poorest people.” The world’s poorest have not been harmed one iota by global warming, but they have been harmed by the increased cost of fuels. How can the liberals not get this point?
There are few harms that can be done to a person which are irreparable.
I was crushed nearly to death in an auto accident, and only quick surgery by a brilliant surgeon to repair my internal organs saved me from certain death.
Despite massive internal injuries, and dozens of broken bones, I am healthy and fit.
Irreparable?
Not likely.
Only death is truly irreparable.
Perhaps blindness.
I know of no way to be blinded by a 0.8 degree rise in temperature.
They hope you are blinded by “science”.
Although, it does appear very easy to be blinded by ones own greed and ego.
The AGW leaders do get that point – It is simply a lie, something they are accomplished at to further their cause. They aim their lies at the general public thru the media, which is highly accommodating.
Multi-generational ignorance.
Getting better by the minute. IGES is being dissolved.
Looks like they’re trying to take the money and run. They should have chucked the bag full of cats overboard first though instead of letting them out. An image for Josh perhaps?
Somebody needs to find that clip from the Simpsons movie where Lisa is going door to door to clean up the lake, and when she starts to go up to a house – it transforms itself into a boat and steams away to avoid her.
That is the imagery that applies here.
I guess Josh could show two frames.
1. signs and billboards advertising the awesomeness of IGES just up ahead.
2. The actual IGES Building boarded up and abandoned with a series of vehicles streaming away at top speed.
My mind’s eye pictures the old west, the “magic elixer” salesman slamming the wagon shutter and bolting out of town, trailing cloud of dust…
The gravy train derailed.
It’s almost certainly being “dissolved” like ACORN was “dissolved.”
The cockroach analogy is extremely apt – yes, they scatter when you turn the light on them. Then they recongregate where it is still dark.
The only way you get rid of cockroaches is by extermination, root and branch.
Na-na-na-na-na
Riiiiico
Na-na-na-na-na
Suaaaave
Good! Press the attack! Drive them into the sea! Show no mercy, for they have stated most plainly that they intend to show us none.
I agree. These are people who get fat on the public dime, and want jail time for people who have the effrontery to gainsay their dubious and self serving pronouncements.
It is funny how important IGES believes itself to be. According to their personnel page, they were part of the 2007 Peace Prize. Granted, the only person on the page is Shukla…
Huh? I thought that was Mann’s…
Two of the signatories are from Florida State … Oh No(les).!
Irritated alumnus Jeff
Just as long as no Bulls or Gators, should be OK.
‘Noles are a dime a dozen…
*runs fast while looking over shoulder*
From Paul Matthews at the Bishop’s we learn:
IGES has fallen!
It’s work is done. And not today but three months ago.
Reformatted-
From Paul Matthews at the Bishop’s we learn:
IGES has fallen!
It’s work is done. And not today but three months ago.
Reference:
http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
Funny how the RICO thing came out under their auspices.
It takes 3 months to shut down a web site? I can do it in 5 seconds.
(Now where did they put that power switch?)
Lies and perjury as virtue for merit
Shukla but takes what he believes is his by any means as a meritorious act!
Jagdish means “ruler of the world”, Shuklais a Brahmin name meaning “White”.
See Hindu Manners, Customs & Ceremonies, by Abbe J. A. Dubois
Having lived in India for a few years I can tell you that Jagadish’s letter- he was the instigator- is standard operating procedure in Indian politics. So are his schemes for securing for himself and his family lucrative incomes. And helping out the extended family in India. It is expected.
Jagadish’s is simply bringing Indian political tricks to the US. And that ladies and gentlemen is the glory of multiculturalism. Not only do you get the new people, but you get their political tricks from the old country too.
Oh the 21st century is going to be quite a ride. Feel sorry for your kids who are going to have a tough journey ahead into a very different political future.
So, they’ve been beating the panic drum for so long that they forgot it was all made up?
Maybe they actually believe that what they’ve been doing is “science”.
Either way, I’m guessing one of their lawyers saw this and is orchestrating damage control.
re Shukla/IGES: go to this thread and search for first comment by Myrrh and then read all comments thereafter:
Nov 201: WUWT: CRU’s Dr. Phil Jones on “the lack of warming”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/crus-dr-phil-jones-on-the-lack-of-warming/
Thanks for the link and the reminder. Reading through those comments again makes the Climategate emails look even dodgier now than ever. Those rapscallions were very busy in their skullduggery and they suffered not one jot of inconvenience despite their criminal collusion.
That’s the machinery we are up against and why Paris is so important.
Couldn’t have done it without co-conspirators at the NSF. Ugly story this one. Too bad our investigative reporters are unwilling to upend any AGW apple carts.
Paging David Rose, Christopher Booker, James Dellingpole…
There is this very old fairytale story about some evil queen or witch or king is asked ‘How do you want (some innocent girl/boy) punished’ and the evil ruler says, ‘Put them in a barrel lined with nails, fill it with tar and roll it down the mountain!’
Then the Good Fairy waves her wand and voila: the evil king/queen is punished in this very same way.
So it is with the warmists. They want to punish anyone questioning their crazy ‘research’ but this will backfire in the end.
IGES is now closed
Just in time to avoid corruption charges?
HAHAHA! Into the Memory Hole!
They are erasing everything as fast as they can. Wow.
trouble is that the shredder doesn’t work on the internet
Any minute now their server is going to crash and completely wipe itself !!!!!
What, like with a cloth?
Perhaps they can borrow Hilary”s cloth,…….
For what it is worth – George Mason was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. He was suspicious of the power of the federal government. Along with James Madison, he was a primary proponent of passing the Bill of Rights amendments to the Constitution. Of course, the First Amendment about freedom of speech and freedom of the press was part of the Bill of Rights.
I wonder if the University understands the irony of having its staff come out in favor of restricting free speech.
I would think the University should fire those who signed the letter.
The university has sold out its founders principles for money…lots of money hahahahahahaha……where are the student protests? what is the youth of today coming to, there are sit ins to organise, slogans to write, and marches to be marched…oh wait all the students have been infected by these so called teachers already, ther is no hope for academia, we should pull down the hallowed halls and start again.
You should have issued a trigger warning before you wrote that. Some poor arts student could be innocently reading your post and…..wham
This all just too delicious (or rico en Espanol)
I was a CFO at a foundation for 8 years and am very familiar with the tax returns. It is always interesting to look at the 990’s. I remember the first one I delved into after entering the non-profit sector after years in private enterprise was the Carter Foundation. I expected that the numbers would prove virtuous and in fact they proved the opposite. After 8 years I came to the conclusion that the businesses that I worked for were more ethical than the non-profits. Not because those at the top were more ethical but because non-profits lacked vested stakeholders to help drive efficiency. I also found that in general those in business had a need to do outside altruism (volunteering) while those in non-profit felt their work was more than enough and that in fact society owed “them” because they were overworked and underpaid having chosen a career in the “common good”.
The IGES 990 is so typical of non-profits. As Yogi Berra said “nepotism is ok as long as it stays in the family”
Foundations can hire family as long as they disclose it on the 990 and do not pay “excess benefit. Googling a Finance Business Manager http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Finance-Business-Manager-l-Rockville,-MD.html
I get an average salary of $77k
Looks like the IGES IS paying excess benefits to disqualified people and either has some explaining to do or should revise their tax return
Lets say charitably that you argued that Anne’s salary could be $100k her salary and benefits is $50k over that and she would be subject to a tax of 25% of that and the IGES would be subject to a tax or 10%. And considering its gone on for quite a few year’s the Jagdish’s are veritable tax scoundrels
26 U.S. Code § 4958 – Taxes on excess benefit transactions
Considering all the good work the US Federal government is doing to combat global warming Jagdish and Anne should be more than happy to pay that for their oversight
btw for the comp of Jagdish they have a note that basically says that the IGES auditors approve of his salary and have gone through some process to verify. This is a typical thing that auditors do knowing that the IRS will rarely ever go after the pay of non-profit execs (even conservative ones – they will just revoke the np status)
have attempted & failed to post this multiple times on the thread & in Tips&Notes:
re Shukla/IGES: search first comment by Myrrh December 2, 2011 at 4:36 pm and read all comments thereafter:
Nov 2011: WUWT: CRU’s Dr. Phil Jones on “the lack of warming”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/crus-dr-phil-jones-on-the-lack-of-warming/
Are there ways to investigate the truth of their explanation about IGES being finished in July 2015? Don’t they have to file dissolution papers of some kind for such an organization – it is a corporation!! If university state and federal authorities don’t do something about all this, then I will never be able to become more disgusted about anything. The clangor should be for an independent investigation.
A comment on CA last night, by Opluso, suggests the tie with NSF – and perhaps the difficulty in prosecuting:
Since the source of the money is NSF, I agree with those who see that agency as the problem. More specifically, I think they should target the branch of the NSF which funds climate science.
But first things first. Catch the “little” fish. Shukla has clearly been caught with his hand, arm, head and most of his upper torso wedged in the government cookie jar. Not only is the money tainted, but his organization espouses a very ugly message.
Surely this kind of graft meets every criteria for a successful prosecution. I hope that McIntyre and Pielke, who first wrote about it, agree. State of Virginia Vs. Mann divided the community of skeptics. The stink of this case is entirely different, both in magnitude and type. I agree with you that it cries for some legal action. A clawing back of a few of these wayward NSF grants could hasten a broader review of all of them under a more conservative administration. Who would not be in favor a more stable and legitimate grant process?
I second the call for (cautious) whistleblowers at George Mason University.
The letter writers prominently cite Brulle, 2013. Brulle totals money for 91 groups, and claims it pays for climate denial (whatever that is). Conspicuously overlooked is all the other things the groups work on.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/23/claim-dark-money-conspiracy-star-deniers-are-scripted-performers/
All Shukla has to do now is move back to India. I checked the extradition treaty of 1997. Must be a crime in both countries punishable by at least 1 year imprisonment. Doubt ripping off federal grant money in the US is a crime in India.
The part that sticks out for me from their letter is “…they have knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, as a means to forestall America’s response to climate change.”
This is such a loaded statement in many ways.
To even believe and say such a thing implies that the writers have taken the position that they know for a fact that what they, the accusers, are in the right about all aspects of climate change (the ‘science is settled’), and that the corporations KNEW that the accusers were right and that the corporations were wrong but acted in the opposite direction maliciously anyway. There is no proof for any of that.
-There’s no way the letter writers could know any of this without evidence in hand on paper. Where is that evidence? There isn’t any, so the writers made up the accusation.
The letter writers look like they are the deceivers here, and they look like they trying to forestall the inevitable discovery by more and more Americans that the alarmists are wrong about climate change, and that both the risks and responses are overstated reactions to a non-crisis.
There is no proof for any of that.
Well, in their minds… 97% of the scientists are in agreement with them, the science is settled, the steady droning of the MSM reinforces their beliefs, almost all the politicians nod and agree, the Pope has spoken, POTUS himself has waxed eloquent…. and still nothing seems to be happening. So in their minds, something nefarious must be happening behind the scenes.
I wonder which of the people in power they are accusing of taking bribes to do nothing? Does the conspiracy go all the way to the POTUS? Ore merely to the Pope?
Any chance of this guy going to jail himself? (as in the Oscar Wilde effect!)
History never repeats, yeah right
and of course who can forget 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Regards
Climate Heretic
So I looked over those who signed this letter. Talk about cross pollination and a web of pals and former colleagues. Lots of former GMU pals. Might be interesting to cross reference their CVs and peer (pal) reviewed publications.
I say there is probable cause for a RICO investigation. Perhaps it should start with the letter writers. There are a number of crimes already committed beginning with false accusations.
Rud, Shukla has lived the US for years. He’s probably naturalized and a US citizen now.
Ricochet touche!
Anyone who tries to investigate RPJ had better be careful RPJ doesn’t try to investigate him.
Anyone who does what they did is a bully. I never met a bully who wasn’t also a fool. (And there’s no fool worse than a highly intelligent fool.)
And there’s no fool worse than a highly intelligent fool.”
Hereks my more elegant version: No Fool Like a Wise Fool.
Ivory tower dweller meets street brawlers. Who will prevail?
Well done and thanks to all who lend their name and expertise in opposing these people. Fighting back and doing the right thing comes at a real risk no doubt – thank you!
Shukla’s double dip is one dip of university salary plus another dip of outside grant funds channeled through his closely controlled IGES.
Will the GMU funding department’s administration transparently deal with the seemly blatant appearance of double dipping? Likewise will the NFS, NOSA & NSSS funding departments deal with the appearance of double dipping?
I think they will try not to transparently deal with it.
John
Correction: that should be NSF, NOAA & NASA.
John
Given GMU’s record of dealing with such embarrassing academic issues I expect that they will try to cover it up. My experience with NASA is that they will investigate and prosecute such wrongdoing if the ‘double dipping’ is confirmed.
Where is the money coming from, Soros?….the Rockefeller’s?
AGW would be a boon for the Rockefeller’s and the bankers, not only would they continue to make fortunes on their oil holdings, they would also make huge fortunes on the skim from any carbon trading schemer and the various leveraged markets that would spring up around such a scheme……futures, options, structured derivatives, swaps etc…..and they ARE BIG OIL,,,,,,but they are also Big Finance too……..also a carbon tax carbon trading scheme would put a huge tax on the middle class and they have always been keen on that……Nelson Aldrich instituted the Federal Income tax after they jammed through the Federal Reserve Act.
In my opinion the Rockefeller’s and The Money Trust are behind CAGW…..which is ironic as they are Big Oil…..In the breakup of Standard Oil, The Rockefeller’s owned 26% of the 30 or so oil companies that came out of that and JD Rockefeller never sold a share and as I know, the Rockefeller’s still own it all never having any reason to sell a single share.
Are you kidding?
The Rockefellers are moving into renewables.
Such good PR especially after a few decades of helping/leading the drive for renewables, there is more margin in it.
And besides nowadays you can farm governments in the renewables industry.
Do a Grants search at http://www.rbf.org
Very interesting reading.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Wonder how long they’ll stay.
http://stopthesethings.com/2015/09/30/us-wind-power-outfits-curse-el-nino-for-massive-mounting-losses/
The Rockefeller Brothers selling a fraction of a fraction of their total oil holdings is meaningless. You are seriously underestimating the enormity of those holdings. The CFR and the Rockefeller’s themselves are liable to be behind the CAGW meme. How much research and how many grants and how much propaganda have the various Rockefeller entities paid for in regards to CAGW? This is counter intuitive but the Rockefeller’s who are BIG OIL are the very ones likely financing this push for carbon trading and a carbon tax.
Those sales are probably less than what their oil holdings produce in dividends alone each year.
Easily frightened viewers should turn away now.
RICOist in chief modestly and generously allows minor pollies and religious leaders to be photographed with him. And ‘his’ Nobel Prize
http://www.iges.org/people/shukla_gallery.html
Brits may recognise this personality trait in others
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D810/production/_84021355_027990995.jpg
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article89848.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/image-10-for-the-real-jimmy-saville-gallery-926195150.jpg
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00401/125251911_Maxwell_B_401242b.jpg
I’ll leave it to others to identify the lady in the tutti-frutti dress, or make comments about Cameron, but I was curious about the chaps standing with Leonid Brezhnev. Following the lead offered by jpg’s title, I find the bloke with the book is the flamboyant figure of Czech-born British publisher Robert Maxwell. Apparently the photo was taken upon Maxwell’s Pergamon Press publication of:
Brezhnev: A Short Biography by The Institute of Marxism-Leninism, CPSU Central Committee
A review of this work is found at CliveJames dot com, and begins hilariously:
“Here is a book so dull that a whirling dervish could read himself to sleep with it. If you were to recite even a single page in the open air, birds would fall out of the sky and dogs drop dead. There is no author’s name on the title page, merely a modest line of italic type advising us that Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev’s ‘short biography’ has been composed ‘by the Institute of Marxism-Leninism, CPSU Central Committee’. This is the one statement in the entire opus which is undeniably true. Only an Institute could write like this:…”
And concludes:
“But he is less nuts than Stalin. During Brezhnev’s reign the innocent have been permitted to live, as long as they don’t heckle. Even at its mildest, totalitarianism is never less murderous than that: a society in which the rulers talk on and on without making any sense, but nobody is allowed to laugh.”
http://www.clivejames.com/pieces/shadows/brezhnev
The other fellow on the right is not identified on any of the photos I’ve seen. Another Brit, I’d say, possibly a diplomat, but who?
I wonder if and when CAGW starts to look like a scam to law enforcement. will some of those same people who were throwing rocks at critics of AGW be called to task? How dare we interrupt their gravy train! Will they go off somewhere and snicker, opps, sorry, but we’re keeping the money.
rishrac. Law enforcement is always under political control.
Again WUWT is missing the elephant in the room. If of course this is all true, this is/could MUCH bigger than climategate and is capable of bringing down the whole AGW scam. I’m pretty sure mainstream will take this up(again if actually true). The TEAM must be very very worried about this saga and very very angry with Shukla
[you have no idea what you are talking about regarding this blogs perception of anything -mod]
So sad to read about this.
I went through the engineering classes at George Mason back in the mid 1970’s.
It was a decent place, then.
Would be interesting to line up the CVs of these people. From what I could tell in their university bios they are pals and former colleagues. Wonder how much co-authoring and pal reviewing was done.
Should have been kept as TOP posting!
Ah! follow the money !
Cheers
Roger
29 Sept: Daily Caller: Michael Batasch: MYSTERY: Scientists Remove Letter Asking Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics
Canadian journalist Donna Laframboise posted on her blog NoFrakkingConsensus.com that the Institute of Global Environment and Society has taken down its letter signed by twenty scientists and researchers. “There’s no explanation, no apology – just open space where this anti-free-speech document used to reside,” Laframboise wrote…
Shukla did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment on why the letter was taken off IGES’s website.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/29/mystery-scientists-remove-letter-asking-obama-to-prosecute-global-warming-skeptics/
“Shukla did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment on why the letter was taken off IGES’s website.”
He’s avoiding all calls, in case any are from the IRS.
I would like to see a TED talk where someone pulls together the nuggets of truth on Global warming and the trickery, scams and fraud behind the scenes, as evidenced above. I know of no one better than Lord Monckton. Such a talk would probably be banned, but show up on Youtube as a banned TED talk. Nothing helps gets more attention than when it is banned. The 10th ICCC was superb and did not just repeat the known truths, but added further to the clarification of the truth. However, the ICCC has a limited ‘in the know’ audience, whereas the TED talks would reach those who haven’t gone after the facts, those who have heard and continue to hear only the paid political side of the fiction/fraud.
Mary Robinson, the ex President of Ireland has a recent TED talk on global warming and states all the usual rubbish.
You are correct about banning as a surefire route to more readers. Book banning was the precursor to the Streisand Effect. Go for a banned TED talk. Here is what Mark Twain says:
http://flavorwire.com/333790/famous-authors-funniest-responses-to-their-books-being-banned
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn in 1885:
“Apparently, the Concord library has condemned Huck as ‘trash and only suitable for the slums.’ This will sell us another twenty-five thousand copies for sure!”
And to a librarian on the Brooklyn Public Library’s ban on the same book in 1905:
“I am greatly troubled by what you say. I wrote ‘Tom Sawyer’ & ‘Huck Finn’ for adults exclusively, & it always distressed me when I find that boys and girls have been allowed access to them. The mind that becomes soiled in youth can never again be washed clean. I know this by my own experience, & to this day I cherish an unappeased bitterness against the unfaithful guardians of my young life, who not only permitted but compelled me to read an unexpurgated Bible through before I was 15 years old. None can do that and ever draw a clean sweet breath again on this side of the grave.”
It gets better:
http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/huckfinn/hfconcrd.html
“The directors of the Concord Public Library have joined in the general scheme to advertise MARK TWAIN’S new book, ‘Huckleberry Finn.’ They have placed it on the Index Expurgatorius, and this will compel every citizen of Concord to read the book in order to see why the guardians of his morals prohibited it.” So reported the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on 17 March 1885 in one of the earliest newspaper accounts of the first time Huck Finn was banned.
The letter is gone!
“The letter that was inadvertently posted on this web site has been removed. It was decided more than two years ago that the Institute of Global Environment and Society (IGES) would be dissolved when the projects then undertaken by IGES would be completed. All research projects by IGES were completed in July 2015, and the IGES web site is in the process of being decommissioned”
http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
I wonder what would happen if McSteve, Pielke or any others with similar skills started investigating the finances of other ‘warmist leaders’. Even those who haven’t sent letters to the Prez..
While the fact that none of the alarmists are out defending this sleaze, it is still disheartening to not see the likes of Mosher and Stokes joining in the condemnation. Silence is tacit consent of the actions done.
E-mail addresses for these people are available on their respective university web sites. The reply from one of them mystifies me. His comments and work seem to contradict the RICO letter especially the settled science part. Is it possible that some or several of these names were attached w/o permission, full disclosure or understanding? Or are we skeptics being spoofed?
. . LOL…It wouldn’t be the first time !!
They scatter for the shadows, like roaches, when the lights suddenly shine upon them. They will, of course, hold tight to the (six-figure) morsels they collected when no one was looking.
It would be fantasy land if the IGES should choose to sue Steve McIntyre like Dr. Mann sued Mark Steyn. The discovery process would be a real Bee Eye Itch.
This is yet another cottage academic industry set up in the U.S. by Indian entrepreneurs. They do serve to highlight the misuse of such university orgs, especially in their blatant forms. Their aggressive money plays tend to be messy, misguided, and easy to spot for their pathetic tactics. Once you study the blatant ones, it becomes easier to understand the more discrete operators up to the same money trolling.
They should have copied the NRDC in the letter. That group is the real Rasputin power center these days. They are the main puppet handlers and they even make the mouth move on the sock puppet President to say their words and speeches.
Somebody should update Jagadish Shukla’s Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdish_Shukla
Ideally, Court is where this argument should be made. The facts will come out, the truth will be told, maybe, and the theory would proven groundless, once and for all. In a perfect world…
The last place IPCC followers want this to play out in a courtroom where evidence is examined. Never happen, I suppose.
I wonder whether Shukla would publish the accounts for the $100,000 he is purported to have spent on the Educational charity in India!
Denialists are prime candidates for the darwin award. God obviously disagrees.