Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Former NASA GISS Chairman James Hansen has suggested that Switzerland is safest place to be, if you want to maximise your chances of surviving climate change.
According to The Atlantic;
Scientists warn that extreme weather will get worse and huge swaths of coastal cities will be submerged by ever-more-acidic oceans. All of which raises a question: If climate change continues at this pace, is anywhere going to be safe?
“Switzerland would be a good guess,” said James Hansen, the director of climate science at Columbia University’s Earth Institute. Hansen’s latest climate study warns that climate change is actually happening faster than computer models previously predicted. He and more than a dozen co-authors found that sea levels could rise at least 10 feet in the next 50 years. Slate points out that although the study isn’t yet peer-reviewed, Hansen is “known for being alarmist and also right.”
Okay, so. Switzerland might be a desirable place to live—certainly in general, but also as a way to avoid the effects of climate change—for a few reasons: It’s landlocked, which means it’s buffered from rising sea levels. And officials in Switzerland appear to be taking climate-related threats seriously—which is not the case in much of the rest of the world. …
Switzerland of course has other potential advantages for the world’s climate elite. The famously impenetrable Swiss banking system, and their protective attitude towards wealthy foreigners residing within their borders, should maximise the difficulties for anyone who ever comes looking for a refund, for all that climate cash some leading alarmists have accumulated over the years.
Of course, Switzerland is also expected to benefit from the theoretical changes of AGW – a lot more land would become viable farmland, for example, and the expanded growing season could give them a huge bonus in crop and livestock production.
…but we’re supposed to pretend that can’t happen, right?
…more land would become viable farmland…but we’re supposed to pretend that can’t happen, right?
And the Alps will be known for their fruited plains.
: > )
The Swiss Alps are believe to have been virtually glacier free during the Roman Warm Period
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/paper-finds-alps-were-nearly-ice-free.html
Roman silver mines are either still above the snow line or have just become accessible again.
Many Swiss villages were crushed by advancing glaciers from the late 16th Century but started to thaw out again around 1750 according to Gordon Manley of CET fame. That is the process that is continuing to this day
I compiled this graphic of the major glacier advances and recessions over the last 1000 years from information supplied by E Roy Ladurie and C Pfister amongst others.. It should be seen as a guide, but not exact, as all sorts of factors affect glacier change.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9qkeglbck7h2fc/revised%20glaciers.docx?dl=0
You may need a drop box account to view it. If anyone wants a copy sent directly to them please email me. Address on my climatereasondotcom web site
tonyb
The famous impenetrable Swiss banking system is shot full of holes courtesy of the USA IRS.
So just what would Hansen’s Hallucinations do to Australia ? I would rather take my chances of not getting flooded out, in Australia. And Australia has far more resources.
Just imagine if global warming melted all of those Swiss glaciers etc.
Being land locked means you are in a basin, which can fill up with water.
There’s no assurance that Switzerland can’t possibly flood.
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Indeed, Hannibal would have been unable to cross the alps with his elephants had conditions been as they are today. In Roman times there was less glacification and snow.
Just as San Francisco is now known for it’s pained fruits.
Great place to go to with a Little Ice Age coming………
These swivel eyed alarmists will be coming across to the public more and more like a deranged doomsday cult. I expect the MSM to start slowly distancing themselves once the Paris junkets are up..
I suspect that they know that Paris will be their last hoorah…
That is the cause of the absolutely over-the-top stupidity we are seeing from many of the usual suspects.
Switzerland? Really? Why not Upstate NY where I live? It is a lot better climate, if these oceans were to rise, it would be prime living space unlike Switzerland which isn’t. I bet these lunatic warm freaks think Tibet would be the only place not underwater in their ‘super warm earth’ fairytale so why doesn’t Hansen move there?
Even if all the ice were to melt, there is no way oceans will rise that much to matter to 80% of the land masses. But then, most humans live right on the ocean’s edge and this is where property values are the highest.
We don’t want alarmists staying here in the U.S. For their “end-times,” let them “flee to the mountains” elsewhere. Although as I understand it, to buy a house in Switzerland in most villages is up to the local people, who can be quite discriminatory.
John Ringo posits that Switzerland is also the best place to survive an alien invasion, given their armed and militarized populace and defensible geography. Perhaps Hansen isn’t telling us everything he knows; he’s from NASA after all!
Defensible from what; an invasion of locusts ??
Upstate NY?
No way. American chocolate and American beer are rubbish. Switzerland is way better on both counts. Great knives, too.
(But a bayonet charge by the Swiss Army would be a shambles.)
American micro-beers are OK.
They wouldn’t likely do that as they have all been issued automatic weapons.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp
there used to be a map of the US and what parts of the states would be covered in water. Does anyone have a link to this wonderful map.? I would like to get some high land at a good price and wait for the water and the high value ocean front views….
Hansen and his followers won’t ever “move there” because they know Al Gore will snap up all the prime waterfront real estate as soon as they are vacated and the prices go down. Haha
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com
“… Hansen is “known for being alarmist and also right.””
Really?
Hansen’s a loon. Pure and simple. He’s also deceptive to the max.
Yeah, but he is unique in that he is a loon in a powerful position.
Oh, wait …
never mind.
/grin
In the spirit of the Darwin Award to recognize outstanding contributions in removing deleterious traits from the gene pool, there should be an Ehrlich award to recognize those whose prediction records remove them from the credibility pool.
Nice one, particularly considering that “ehrlich” means “honest” in German.
Duzzatmean that Kentucky Fried Chicken, truly is fing-erlick-en good ??
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No just means Kant Fu***** Cook…
Isn’t the President one who must also be removed from the credibility pool?
“You can keep your Dr. …”
The last time we had abrupt climate change; didn’t Switzerland lose a few villages to advancing ice?
Last summer I saw it snow in the Swiss Alps in August at and above the 7,000 foot level.
That must have been rotten snow.
And when sea level rises you can have ocean-front property with a mountain view at the same time.
well those mountains would be re categorized as rolling hills, when th sea level really rises.
Do you think we’ll all fit?
+ 1000
Roughly calculated, the world population could fit on the arable land and each person would have about 30 square feet of space.
Area [sq mi] x 640 acres/sq mi x 43,560 sq ft/acre x 0.67 [% arable land]
;^D
The Swiss are very anal about being neat & tidy – so no junked cars/farm relics/scrap lumber/etc. can accumulate around ones place. The Swiss even tell jokes on themselves about their fastidiousness.
Not relevant – for most of us our bank balances wouldn’t be large enough to be let in.
Switzerland so that is where ‘Dr Dooms’ secret lair will be , only its ha sort of given it location away now .
how about the himalayas? nice and warm by then and no glaciers.
Yeah, but yeti.
How do they taste?
Yeti: goes good with fava beans and a nice chianti……
With all those people it will tip over, right.
@ jeff, +1000 ROFLMAO ( but which way will it tip? into France or Austria which is the same landscape and a lot cheaper!).
Rising sea levels, won`t happen here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175090/Good-transfer-business-Football-boss-Harry-Redknapp-makes-4million-profit-Sandbanks-home-s-selling-got-6million-new-one-s-buying.html
Precisely! Why did Al Gore buy $4M worth of sea-front property if he believes sea-level is going to rise 20ft by 2100?
There must be some secret compensation fund to be handed out to all those whose houses become submerged under the rising oceans!
‘Ever more acidic oceans’? Would those be the ones that will be slightly less alkaline than they are at the moment? Good that the Swiss are taking climate change seriously so that any ‘global warming’ will stop at their borders because they are the good guys, right?
I can see a flaw in this argument. If the oceans are going to boil away, I reckon sea levels aren’t actually going to rise. You didn’t think of that did you Jim ? Loser.
It’s that problematic, unsustainable transition period between melting and vaporization that’s going to cause all the unprecedented
“He and more than a dozen co-authors found that sea levels could rise at least 10 feet in the next 50 years”
What does that even mean? Sea levels COULD rise AT LEAST 10 feet…it’s logically inconsistent…if you are using a hypothetical, you should include the possible upper bound. But using the term AT LEAST indicates that that’s the minimum and therefore a definitive WILL is more logical within the context. For me the most bizarre thing about “climate change” is that it turns otherwise intelligent people (presumably the writer for The Atlantic) into incoherent fools.
Good catch.
If it’s going to rise 10 feet in the next fifty years, it’s going to have to start chugging, because the pace it’s been on for the past several decades is good for only half a foot.
its even worse than that, the article says by 2050 and we are already in 2015 so they only have 35 years left. That’s 3.4 inches each year, give or take. Since we aren’t eve hitting 3.4mm per year (unless you include data tampering numbers) we are off by more than 3.3 inches per year.
Even during the meltwater pulses at the beginning of the current interglacial, sea level never rose as fast as Hansen’s nitwit fantasies delude him into thinking will happen.
Check on maximum rate of melt and hence rise.
I recall that “they” now mislead us by ignoring the subsidence of the sea floor so that actually the sea level does not rise as much relative to the surrounding land mass unless you live close to places like Houston where the land mass is sinking because of pumping out all the water.
What is the real number considering under sea subsidence is real?
He and more than a dozen co-authors… – well, they all had to add their little bit
“well, they all had to add their little bit”
Well looking at the value of SLR and the predicted value, maybe they summed each author’s prediction instead of averaging?
Why don’t they require each co-author to separately write the part that (s)he is solely responsible for creating/ researching/ discovering/ explaining/ whatever .
When I see a paper that has more than two named authors, I wonder if any of them actually wrote any of it.
A Jewish friend of mine, made her living writing papers in English, on the subject of ” The Oil Weapon . ” and similar vein, for Saudi Arabian, and Iranian students who were working on degrees at SoCal schools. She charged them handsomely.
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It means that 40% of the Greenland ice sheet would have to melt in 50 years at a time when it looks like we’ve reached a low in the Arctic sea ice melt.
Trust me, the Swiss banking system is gate more penetrable these days. Banks are running scared and have to report all accounts, even safety deposit boxes. Taxes are also deducted of you cannot, or do not (in time) , provide evidence that they should not be. Other countries look much better for a tax haven.
You’re right. But it’s not just the Swiss banking system that’s getting more penetrable these days. All banking systems are getting more penetrable. Google FATCA. If any dumb..ss move by Washington would encourage the world to move away from the US dollar as a world currency it will have been FATCA. Even the Chinese and Russian banks are complying with FATCA – for now. You see, supporters of the Obama administration claim that the deal with Iran was the best that could have been done because the sanctions regime would have ultimately broken down, yet they’ve gotten world compliance with bank reporting for nothing more important than collecting … taxes?
Sitting in my room, with my but freezing off in the coldest winter than I can remember in decades, watching the news that snow is falling at sea level in Tasmania. Wind coming off the ever growing Antarctic ice shelf.
I won’t be going to Switzerland, the glaciers has this nasty habit of squashing villages when mini ice ages occur.
It’s like a bit big isn’t it.
Try the Italian Riviera. They are more interested in ice cream than climate change.
+1
I’m not particularly a fan of the climate, but Switzerland is near the top of the list of my places to resettle if the USA becomes (politically) unlivable. They have sensible tax policies, sensible health care policies, everybody owns guns and they generally lack our politics of resentment, politics of victimhood and they are strongly free-market oriented.
I actually like Australia better, but politically, Switzerland is a good choice. But don’t expect to just wade across the border of either country and be given instant asylum. (That’s a metaphor, people.) Both countries also have immigration laws designed to protect their citizens and their national interests.
Giving Hansen asylum sounds about right.
Insert the word “insane.”
Good luck. Just what makes you think they will let you in.
My little sister lived there for years, but was never permitted to get Swiss citizenship. And they speak French anyway, and that would be a no-no for me.
As for their vaunted medical care. My sister had the benefit of that care, and it cost her, her life when a “professor” at the fancy ” hopital ” messed up a little experiment of his.
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I sojourned there one ski season. I wasn’t fond of the beer. I liked German beer more.
As for language, there are four (4) official languages: German, Italian, French and Romansh with German being the most common (2/3). English is taught in school at an early age. Most Swiss speak 5 or 6 languages. One of my lady friends spoke all four official languages, plus English, Spanish, Russian and Portuguese. Many Swiss in the tourist industry have many languages.
I have trouble with English and my French is lousy, but I greatly admire those people who seem to be able to compartmentalize their brains into different languages. It is interesting to have dreams in more than one language. Now that is something to study.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland
What happened to Anarctica.
Britain’s top scientist at the time, Sir David King, once said Antarctica would be the only habitable continent.
Right on.
The Polar regions are the new Mecca for those of the Scientism/Gaian/CAGW cult.
Why Antarctica will soon be the only place to live – literally
Sunday 02 May 2004
Antarctica is likely to be the world’s only habitable continent by the end of this century if global warming remains unchecked, the Government’s chief scientist, Professor Sir David King, said last week.
Monday 16 January 2006
James Lovelock: The Earth is about to catch a morbid fever that may last as long as 100,000 years
We are in a fool’s climate, accidentally kept cool by smoke, and before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.
http://judithcurry.com/2014/06/01/global-warming-versus-climate-change/#comment-580680
Was this just before Lovelock went into reverse? http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/04/03/green-guru-james-lovelock-on-climate-change-i-dont-think-anybody-really-knows-whats-happening-they-just-guess-lovelock-reverses-himself-on-global-warming/
Arctic? At least they will be able to subsist on mosquitoes. If it warms up by 5 deg C it will be possible to grow maize from here to, say, halfway to Coppermine. That would be great, except for the bears.
And speaking of bears, the late spring frost this year just about wiped out the blueberries so the bears are hungry and roaming into people-land way too soon for comfort. The raspberries were very poor as well. Flowers and fruits are about a month early: points to another very bad winter coming. Come o-o-on El Nino!
Typical of Hansen to just throw out an impractical idea. A person can’t just decide to live in Switzerland. My family has a legacy for 18 generations, My Father was born in Fribourg, but because I was born in Michigan, and my Mother is from Spain, I had to jump through hoops to establish Residency and then Citizenship.
Soooo, if you’re from the Midwest is that Montreux?
I can’t believe the real scientific community remains silent. Climate “Science” will drag everyone down with it. Silence in the face of evil is evil itself. The sea level increases about 3mm/yr, and that rate has remained unchanged for over 100 years, and has actually been falling.
http://s90.photobucket.com/user/dhm1353/media/Climate%20Change/CU2.png.html
The ocean pH also hasn’t been changing, and is well buffered to accommodate any new CO2.
http://jo.nova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph/ocean/acidification/mwacompilationofglobalocean_phjan82014.jpg
Hard to tell by the scale of this graph, but it seems like even meltwater pulse 1A was about twenty meters in over a thousand years…or less than seven feet per century.
And that may be overestimating the rate.
Anyone? Yes? No?
For yuks, Google: “Energy in Switzerland”. Some energy highlights, pertaining to that alpine Shangri-la, that are at a somewhat jarring contrast with the Atlantic’s utopian vision of Switzerland as a monolithic land of yodeling, Heidi-look-alike, neat-and-tidy, eco-conscious, carbon-phobe, Gaia-freak watch-makers:
-85% of Switzerland’s energy use is of fossil-fuel and nuclear origin, imported from other countries.
-Electricity consumed in Switzerland produces 7 times the CO2 emissions of electricity produced in Switzerland.
-“Switzerland exports “clean” energy causing emissions of 0.1 million tonnes of CO2 and imports “dirty” electricity causing emissions of 5 million tonnes of CO2.”
So I’d say that the “attaboy” that the “Atlantic” offered to Switzerland is full of more holes (yep! I know you see it comin’!) than a wedge of SWISS CHEESE!!!
P. S. If all those fossil fuel and nuclear power plants that currently supply 85% of Switzerland’s energy use are suddenly lost to the rising seas, then will Switzerland have any operating airports left that can handle the massive, private-jet, CO2-spew congestion that will inevitably develop as Hansen and all those brazen-hypocrite, carbon-piggy, “greenwashed”-hustler creep-outs, he knows, simultaneously push the panic-button and en-masse execute their “Operation Cuckoo-Clock” bug-out plans? I mean, like, I can’t help but wonder if our betters have really thought this whole deal out.
You may keep your feet dry (if Jimbo is right) by moving to Switzerland, but you will suffer death by boredom instead. A number of hedge funds that moved operations from London to Swtzerland in recent years are reportedly moving back because they can’t retain staff. Reason Zurich and Geneva are just too boring to live in.
Zurich is uptight and Geneva is mellow, don’t confuse either one with the kind of run-of-the-mill boring that you get in places like Pittsburgh and Indianapolis. In contrast, London is a real-time pinball game using humans as both bumpers and balls. Personally my wife and I prefer Geneva, our 26 year old daughter thinks it’s “OK for old people, London is a lot more fun”
And yes, I have spent more than an airport stop-over in each of the aforementioned cities.
You missed Lugano. Your daughter would love it there.
I liked the trains in Geneva, in my two weeks there; except it was difficult to get on them.
I had to stand on the opposite side of the track from the platform, and duck across the rails at the last second, just to avoid the swarm of tobacco drug addicts who were taking their last puff, as they stepped onto the train, and were already lit up as they took their first step off.
Must be some reason for all those junkies in Geneva; maybe it’s the ” Nations .”
Is not Switzerland the land of the cuckoo clock? Therefore, this makes James Hansen’s recommendation perfectly sound, in a twisted kind of way.
Truly. This guy has all the imprimatur of the local freak going around ranting that Godzilla is Coming! and will get you, too! Personally, I don’t think anyone pays the slightest attention to this stuff, at least in the USA. The AGW train has sailed, folks . . . and nobody gives a phoof!
Is the rate of rising hysteria and moronic claims directly proportional to the time left before the meeting of the self-righteous, hypocritical delusion fest in Paris?
Why doesn’t Hansen practice what he preaches and spare the USA of his presence and move to Switzerland now?
Yup; and I’m making popcorn and waiting to see how Obama-sama manages to squirm out of any concrete actions after his Big Speech the other day. At this juncture he sounds like an utter moron, parroting this nonsense; you’d think he’d have ONE advisior, somewhere, who knows the facts and would tell him to just shut up!
Climageddon Theater must go on.
Makes about as much sense as a Swiss Admiral !
There are no Admirals in the Swiss Coast Guard.
The Swiss Mounted Navy on Foot is far-famed for its effectiveness in subterranean aerial warfare.
Well a very rich Swiss (actually Italian) dude , did win the Americas Cup a couple of times.
Well actually, it was a Team from the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron; but they were getting paid in Swiss Franks.
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This sort of nonsense dovetails quite nicely with the Survivalist loonies.
“It’s landlocked, which means it’s buffered from rising sea levels.”
So are (among others):
Bolivia
Laos
Lesotho
Mongolia
Paraguay
Rwanda
Serbia
Swaziland
Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe is out because they don’t allow lion hunting any more.
Zimbaby used to be Rhodesia; the breadbasket of Africa; a major food exporter.
Now it is just a basket case, and must import food to keep its new populace from starving.
They might have to turn to eating the lions themselves, rather than letting great white hunters from eating them.
Lesotho would be Hansen’s best bet. It is well-known to pub-quiz enthusiasts for having the highest lowest-point of any country at about 1400 metres (almost 4600 feet), where the Orange River flows out into South Africa.. So the highest mountain in the UK (Ben Nevis, 4406 feet) would be well underwater before Lesotho noticed anything was amiss.
Remember fallout shelters?
We must move off planet.
You know, it’s the only way to be sure.
Let’s build three arks … A, B and C …
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Places_in_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy&redirect=no#Golgafrincham
Switzerland is typically where the James Bond villain hides out with his loot.
I wonder if Hansen has any idea just how insane he is acting for these many years.
The insane are the last ones to know.
Of course the World’s poor masses which according to him will be affected by climate change the worst will all be welcomed by Switzerland with open hands. i’d love to see huge refuges camps in Geneva and at the resorts like St. Moritz.
I recommend purchasing a refuge very close to the coast in Valencia community, Eastern Spain. About 4 meters above sea level is plenty to avoid the huge storm waves we should see by 2115.
How about a boat? Better yet, a “float house”.
http://www.floatinghomes.com/
Sheesh! How much more san they ramp this all up?
It will reach 11 by November.
I predict the European leaders are going to come clean first outing it as debunked; they simply can’t afford to keep up the pretense much longer. Hopefully this happens before the US goes down the same pike into the wind-farm nonsense.
Of course, if we enter into another major glaciation period, Switzerland would not be the place to live as all the alpine glaciers merge together and have a huge party:
Posted before I saw this.
Right you are Jim. This is high mountain terrain…not a good place to be when glaciers advance.
Jim Hansen is to Switzerland what Jim Jones was to Guyana.
Ha ha
Yes, it will be so hot that they will have to continuously drink cool-aid.
I’ve always maintained that England is the place to come to.
Bear in mind that the global average atmospheric CO2 level was, so we’re told, 280ppm in the pre-industrial period (i.e. before 1750 AD), and is now 400ppm (or thereabouts, I haven’t checked lately).
That’s a 43% increase.
Yet according to the Central England Temperature record, the average temperature in 1659 was 8.83C,
which is the same as it was in 2010. Yearly variations are seen, of course.
Perhaps that’s why so many people are trying to get into the country?
Hansen’s Shenanigans. Switzerland is not the place to wait out climate change, if the planet abruptly cools. (See JimS above.)
Solar observations continue (there are now quarter by quarter obvious changes to the solar cycle) to support the assertion that the solar cycle has been interrupted. We are going to experience the solar cycle change that causes a Heinrich event. While we wait for observational evidence of in your face cooling which will bring the climate wars to end, the following is background as to how the doubling atmospheric CO2 no ‘feedbacks’ calculation was fudged.
As the planet has warmed, we all assumed (at least I did) the cult of CAGW’s fundamental calculation (done more than 20 years ago by a half dozen specialists led by the founding father of CAGW, Hansen) of how much surface forcing a doubling of atmospheric CO2 will produce without ‘feedbacks’ is reasonable, in the right ball park. We all assumed the problem why the IPCC’s general circulation models (GCMs) predicted warming does not agree with measured warming (satellite measurement which cannot be easily fudged) is due to incorrect modeled cloud feedback, incorrect assumed water vapor amplification of the forcing, and the delay in forcing response.
The without ‘feedbacks’ cult of CAGW’s calculation (this is the calculation that predicted 1.2C to 1.4C surface warming for a doubling of atmospheric CO2) incorrectly, without scientific justification 1) held the lapse rate constant to determine (fudge) the estimated surface forcing for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 and 2) ignored the fact that absorption spectrum of water and CO2 overlap.
1) Effect of Lapse Rate Fudge
As it is fact that hot gases expand and rise which in turns causes colder higher altitude gases to fall, the greenhouse gas warming should be partially offset by more convection cooling (adding greenhouse gas makes the planet more efficient at transferring heat by convection.) If convection cooling is taken into account the surface warming (I repeat the surface warming) for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 decreases from 1.5C to 0.1 to 0.2C. Of course there is no amplification if the warming is only 0.1C to 0.2C so the no ‘feedbacks’ case is the same as the with ‘feedbacks’ case.
2) Effect of ignoring the spectral overlap of water vapor and CO2
As there is a great deal of water vapor in the lower levels of the atmosphere, particularly in the tropics, the overlap of spectral absorption of water vapor and CO2 significantly reduce the forcing for a doubling of atmospheric CO2, again reducing the surface warming for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 from 1.5 C to around 0.2C.
This is the paper that points out the without ‘feedback’ calculation of forcing for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 ignored the fact that there is a great deal of water vapor in the lower regions of the atmosphere and that the spectral absorption of water and CO2 overlap. Check out figure 2 in this paper.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281982%29039%3C2923%3ARHDTIC%3E2.0.CO%3B2
Transcript of a portion of Weart’s interview with Hansen concerning the ‘scientific’ basis for CAGW.
With an absolutely perfect record of being completely wrong about everything that he predicts, when would have to take this as an immediate warning to sell all property in Switzerland!
When the climate changes and turns colder, and glaciers once more advance, Switzerland will be ground zero for approaching walls of ice.
Being wrong, always, something he and Krugman have in common.
Krugman is never wrong. Each time his prescriptions fail, it is because they were not followed to the letter. Take, for example Japan – they added government debt to the tune of ~10% GDP per year for more than two decades, but they still failed to revive their economy because government did not spend enough.
Sell up and move in land to escape Climate Change
And the Property Sharks snap all the desirable Beachfront Condos and Hotels for a pittance.
So just how much is James Hansen exclusive New York Residence actually worth.
By the time sea level in Holland will have risen another 20 cm (8 in for the americans) i’ll be long dead.
http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/dcvsdenhelder.gif
“Scientists warn…”
Exactly which scientists are warning? Surely not those on a Government payroll who get their information from adjusted modelling. If those scientists are warning me, I would like to know they are, their qualifications and income sources as a start.
hmm acidic seas-
Canadian water authorities,
Interim Guideline
The pH of marine and estuarine waters should fall within
the range of 7.0%8.7 units unless it can be demonstrated
that such a pH is a result of natural processes.
Get your eco green numbered bank account protected by Swiss law. Just send your donation fee to the Clinton Foundation first.
A more important question is where is Hansen’s grand-daughter going to live? Probably on the west coast in a swanky home right on the ocean and next to Gore’s grand-kids.
I don’t think Hansen’s grand-daughter has any chance of living in the type of up-scale area Gore’s grand-kids will be . St Gores made hundreds of millions out this ‘faith’ much of it from selling media to a ‘evil fossil fuel ‘ producing country.
Hansen on the other hand is in the lower seven figuers , beside which I can imagine Dr Doom’a Eco-catastrophe bunker , safe even for 20 meter sea raises, which clearly he must have built given his claims cost a fair amount of money. While St Gore went for sea front housing a useful reminder that a good sneak oil sales men is not a fool.
Then I would encourage him to move there, you know, as the example. He can even take his accumulated funds gained from the back pockets of the public. I would even start a gofundme just to pay for his moving costs. So James, you have my blessings. Go. Now.
This really gives new meaning to “Follow the money”
So Big Wind sets up a thin cover story for their moves to Switzerland (home of secretive banks)? Wow, they’re not even trying any more – they’re so powerful and untouchable that they can be quite obvious now.
A truly inspired conspiracy-theory “ideation”, your last, Andrew. My sincerest admiration. I mean, like, your analysis of the situation suddenly makes sense of The Atlantic” article–namely, it finally offers a credible explanation as to why a quasi-MSM, hive-mouthpiece publication, consumed with pompous-ass self-importance and pretensions of seriousness, would take seriously, and even give space and support to Hansen’s superfically eco-lunatic scare-mongering. Answer? It’s a cover for our bug-out betters. I really, really like that theory, for what it’s worth, Andrew. Bravo!
Not something I could pull off, myself, but someone might want to work up some charts that track trends in charter and private jet flights to Switzerland, Paraguay, and other such chicken-run-chic destinations, favored by the hive-masters. Let me even boldly suggest that such charts would make an interesting addition to WUWT’s resource section and a boon companion to its “Sea Ice page”. You know, a leading indicator of the Apocolypse, sort of deal, one might entitle the “SHTF Index”, or some such .
Those who would follow Hansen’s musings would have a hard time in Switzerland. The Swiss ethos requires personal responsibility and minimal government, while the type who promote and thrive by climate change propaganda, decry personal responsibility and call for ever more governmental interference and control over individuals.
Switzerland is a beautiful country with well educated and friendly citizens.
A perfect retreat for the climate scientist lavishly bankrolled by US taxpayer dollars, as most everything will cost double the price you would expect in the US.
Well… YES and NO.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/switzerland-replacing-its-f-5s-04624/
http://unnamedharald.hubpages.com/hub/Fortress-Switzerland
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592313/Now-neutral-Switzerland-tanks-Britain-not-fought-war-150-years.html
The question is will they let James Hansen in. I mean think about it, if he couldn’t stop AGW what use is he? He can’t make Cuckoo clocks, or farm, so why take in a washed out climate scientist?
Now the rest of Europe is a different story.
While their (Switzerland’s) military looks impressive, they are weak in air power. And history has shown that fortification just don’t cut it.
Oh and Brits,,, built some more da*n tanks!
michael
Please keep Mr Hansen where he is! and lock him well!
If he would come to my country he would persuade us that the Rhône valley would soon be filled with water coming from Antarctica. Then we would have to migrate to the Caucasus, where the Noah Arch once landed, why not twice?
We suffer enough dumb stereotypes and it’s not necessary to add the climate-heaven one.
Sorry Michel, everyone has to take their turn… 🙂
You had better get started on that navy.
Given the penchant for numbers that the readership of this site have I was wondering if a numerical classification of the level of people’s beliefs in GW theory has been tried. In a lot of areas of business and opinion surveying the 5 point scale is used and can give some insights when statistically analysed. A possible scale for GW theory could be follows:
Level ECS Estimate Summary Belief Label
1 0C No AGW Nadaists
2 2C Possible CAGW Alarmists
5 >4C Definite CAGW Gorists
I’m a hedger at level 2. Can’t imagine many here are above level 3 but it would be interesting to know how people here are distributed in level 1-3. Any chance of doing some kind of a poll? Results may surprise us as many CAGW believers think that all sceptics are at level 1 and deny everything to do with GW theory including the greenhouse effect.
Sorry table didn’t come out right (here we go again):
Level___ECS Estimate___Summary Belief____Label
1__________0C_________ No AGW_______ Nadaists
2______less than 1C ____Possible AGW____Hedgers
3________1 to 1.5C______Benign AGW____Lukewarmers
4__________2+C________Possible CAGW__Alarmists
5__________4 to 8C_____Definite CAGW___Gorists
Switzerland is nice. Not that I wish ill on anyone, but James Hansen better hadn’t be lactose intolerant with all that cheese and fondue the Swiss are renowned for. He could wind up being one danged-rumbly-uncomfortable climate refugee and it could get dicey if he tried to toot an alpenhorn; the toot may backfire.
BTW, does anyone know if he can yodel?I don’t think I really want to know the answer.I am sure his climate science skill ar greatly exceeded by his talent for yodelling. In fact, should we not get Frank Ifield out of retirement and have a career change as a climate scientist, as I am sure he would be better qualified.
@H.R., I guess it would depend on who is squeezing his b+lls
So he’s doing that well selling lies that he needs a tax haven now?
The graph in Hansen et al. “Global Mean Sea Level Change” uses Mann’s old trick of stitching different data sets together to give the impression of sea level rise acceleration:
http://www.zeeburgnieuws.nl/nieuws/images3/global_mean_sea_level_change_accelerating_church_white.jpg
If climate change continues at this pace, is anywhere going to be safe?
At what pace are we talking about? 0°/100y? I think we will be fine where we are.
“Hansen’s latest climate study warns that climate change is actually happening faster than computer models previously predicted.”
In what way? Certainly not with global temperatures or sea level rise. What is Hansen talking about?
That is what the iceman thought.
Switzerland misses the most important survivalist features of access to seafood and access to heat. Cold and starvation are the world’s worst killers.
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!! Hansen knows all the big name greens have secret Swiss bank accounts. He is merely suggesting that they follow their money.
A bad joke but I could not help myself.
Eugene WR Gallun
Now I am not a scientist but if the seas rise that far surely that means that fresh water has flowed in ( ice caps) would that not dilute the sea water and make it less acidic and even less salty .
This really is funny. With the prospect of long-term cooling Switzerland is the last place you want to be. The gletchers will begin growing again and wipe out everything in their path. Look at how Switzerland was in the 17th century: a basket case everywhere except in some of the low valleys.
When the next ice-age takes hold (“winter is coming”) the best place to be is northern Africa. The Sahara desert will yet again be transformed into lush lands with lakes and fertile planes. In a thousand years that’s where I would go.
Being a denier, I wear a tinfoil hat. That protects me from everything from mind control, global cooling, global warming, aliens, ghosts, … I wonder how long CAGW will wait in the fields looking for global warming to return (ye must believe) any day now.. just drink your cool aid, or maybe they are tilting at windmills. And they think I’m the crazy one.
One cat 3 hurricane hit the northeast US 3 years ago, that’s proof enough for me of climate change. See this extreme weather, I mean climate, I mean co2 or was it carbon, depends on what proof or lack to torture the truth to fit the mime . The poor polar bears, the Sierra Club told me so. The hue and cry goes out… WE DEMAND YOUR MONEY OR ELSE (it’s worse than we thought) It sure is.
“Hansen’s latest climate study warns that climate change is actually happening faster than computer models previously predicted.” But, has he thought to have a look outside!
“Former NASA GISS Chairman James Hansen has suggested that Switzerland is safest place to be, if you want to maximise your chances of surviving climate change.”
His mates at the IPCC.ch or WMO.ch sorted him a des res retirement pad on the lake edge, the rest is spin.
Based on hansens track record Id assume switzerland is about to be covered under a mile of ice and residents should flee.