COP21 Paris climate conference already in trouble as countries miss submission deadline

 

Cop21-parisEric Worrall writes:

Reuters reports that the upcoming COP21 Paris climate conference, widely hyped by greens and politicians to be the conference which will achieve the great international climate breakthrough, is already in trouble – that the USA is one of the few countries which could be bothered to submit their climate action plan homework by the agreed deadline.

According to Reuters;

“… emitters such as China, India, Russia, Brazil, Canada and Australia say they are waiting until closer to a Paris summit in December, meant to agree a global deal.

“It’s not the ideal situation,” said Niklas Hoehne, founding partner of the New Climate Institute in Germany which tracks submissions, known as Intended Nationally Determined Contributions (INDCs).

In 2013, the United Nations invited INDCs by March 31, 2015, from governments “ready to do so” – the early, informal deadline was meant to give time to compare pledges and toughen weak ones.

Late submissions complicate the Paris summit because it will be far harder to judge late INDCs.

“The earlier the better,” said Jake Schmidt, of the U.S. National Resources Defense Council. “It allows people to look at each others’ targets and judge whether or not they pass muster.”

The White House official noted that both the United States and China already outlined plans last year, saying: “That adds up to a fantastic running start.”

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/03/29/climatechange-emissions-idINKBN0MP0D020150329

The lack of enthusiasm by major CO2 emitters strongly suggests that the Paris meeting will simply be a dreary repeat of the pointless Lima circus – but then, we already knew that, didn’t we?

 

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183 thoughts on “COP21 Paris climate conference already in trouble as countries miss submission deadline

  1. The French President wants COP21 to be a success — by generating a lot of income from the thousands of eco-tourists expected. Of course these tourists are expected to leave no CO2 footprints.

    • The French President is fighting for his political survival, his party lost overwhelmingly to the right wing parties, including the FN which campaigns for pulling out from the EU.

      • “FN ” does not really want the end of the euro and of the european union , the only political party who really wants that is : UPR – François Asselineau (www.upr.fr)

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  2. another ‘Grenelle de l’environnement” – that’s all – and they expect obtaining people voting for them in december and in 2017 (“fafa” fabius)

  3. What possible benefit is there for a country to show their hand early?
    The expectation that anyone would submit their proposals 9 months before they have to is bizarre.

    • Apparently Mexico submitted their pledge. Mexico’s case is an interesting one. They reached peak oil a while back, and are about to become a net importer. They already import natural gas from the US. Coal consumption is increasing.

      Their pledge is slick. It includes methane,CO2, and other greenhouse agents, including soot. But methane emissions were bound to shrink because their oil production is going down, and they do need to tighten up on vents and leaks, because their gas mports from the U.S. will grow and this is a trade balance headache.

      I think I will dig into Mexico’s pledge and how it s linked to the simple fact that it is going to be importing oil and gas, and the make up of their energy feed just has to be more efficient if their economy is to survive the transition from exporter to importer. The move is also slick because it gets Obama’s and the EU’s goodwill (it gives them something to point to). It could even get them grants and cheap loans to build wind, hydro, and even high efficiency coal plants.

      • Mexico has not reached “peak oil”. Their problems exist due to the lack of maintenance of their facilities and the lack of development of their resources. Pemex is a state owned company, like Petrobras in Brazil and PDVSA in Venezuela, used as a cash cow for the political elite. Laws in Mexico have prevented anyone from competing effectively or even partnering profitably with Pemex.

      • A large part of the Eagle Ford field, already one of the largest oirfields in history, is in Mexico but is not being exploited or even explored by PEMEX. That field alone would probably be enough for a new mexican “Peak Oil”.

      • I believe Mexico reached peak oil a while back. Mexico’s production is declining, and at today’s prices the Eagle Ford in Mexico isn’t commercial. It will likely become commercial in the future, but that’s a gas condensate reservoir (this means it tends to produce a large fraction of light ends which really can’t be considered “oil”.

        Based on my gazillion years in the oil industry I believe they’ll never get their production back to their peak. My analysis shows they will do extremely well if they bounce back a little and stabilize production.

        It’s also important to get yourselves in the Mexican president’s head. I bet he’s really worried with falling production, a low oil price environment, a growing population and the aspiration to increase GDP at 3 to 4 % per year. The way I see it, he’s trying to use the global warming idea as a gizmo to get people to go along when he takes measures to reduce oil consumption.

        This is a really neat move on his part. He’s not making a so.id commitment, he’s getting a propaganda means to get Mexicans to accept paying more for energy. And he may just get cheap financing to go build some hydropower and high efficiency coal plants. He may even get Obama to buy him a couple of wind farms and some solar panels.

      • Mexico’s oil industry is owned by government – need one say more? Deep oil in the Gulf was discovered by Chevron in the US section:

        “.. Chevron, and his team is sitting on several new record-breaking discoveries in the Gulf, a region that many geologists believe may have more untapped oil reserves than any other part of the world. … to oversee final preparations before drilling begins on the company’s 30-square-mile Tahiti field.”

        ” … Chevron used the Cajun Express to probe the Jack field, proving that petroleum could flow from the lower tertiary at hearty commercial rates — fast enough to bring billions of dollars of crude to market. It was hailed as the largest publicly reported discovery in the past decade, opening up a region that is perhaps big enough to boost national oil reserves by 50 percent. A mad rush followed, and oil companies plowed more than $5 billion into this part of the Gulf. ”

        These are now producing. Pemex isn’t that innovative and certainly wouldn’t contemplate the multibillion dollar risk involved. If Pemex partnered with Chevron, they would soon reverse Mexico’s declining production – these are “conventional oil” plays BTW.

    • “What possible benefit is there for a country to show their hand early?”

      This makes it a competition – to shame the tardy to up their ante and to praise the good guys.

  4. The City of Paris can bearly afford to pay for street lights at night, let alone anything else. In fact it was reported about a year ago that street lights would be turned off, too, errm…”save the planet”. Truth is, it’s broke!

    It’s bad enough walking through Paris in the day, but at night, without light? I’ll pass on that Paris! You can keep your animal urine and excrement, and human spitting and clearing of nasal passaged on the street right out side where I am eating dinner! I wonder if Paris has changed since 1982?

    • Parts of Paris are beautiful – I visited Paris a decade ago. But there are some spectacularly dangerous neighbourhoods just a short distance from the tourist attractions, very easy to stray down the wrong street if you take an unplanned walk.

      Personally I prefer rural France, places like Lespignan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lespignan . The food is delicious and affordable, the women are beautiful, the restaurants close at lunchtime, because nobody in rural France can imagine giving up their lunch hour for a mere customer, and there’s this delightful small warehouse in the middle of town with large petrol bowsers – except instead of petrol, they dispense delicious local wine by the gallon, bring your own jug.

      • I spend about 25% of the year down in the south, favourite walk from Beaulieu-sur-Mer to St Jean Cap Ferrat and further along the cliffs all the way around the peninsula.

      • Perpignan – but in the north too you have nice places – rural places in Britany – Normandy – and in “Auvergne” etc……………

        sorry for mistakes –

      • I would like to know why it was cheaper for me to buy a round trip ticket from France to U.K. on the hovercraft than a one way ticket. Was the reasoning to fake the numbers of visitors?

      • Hovercrafts? I used one of those once, the “4 prop” machines. Noisy, but QUICK. 45 minsutes from Dover to Calais if I recall correctly. I am sure they no longer opperate. There is the “Chunnel” for that now. But only if you want to get to Paris. LOL

      • I did not comment on rural France. I commented on Paris, the city and the French in genral in that city (We Brits and Frogs have had “issues” for hundreds of years. French was the official language in “England” at one time, as well as Latin). Rural France is a different issue and totally awesome.

      • I agree Eric. I was there in 2013 and was disgusted by the filth in the streets, the beggars, the pickpockets and con-men, The Seine is a gutter – full of garbage. A waste of a week!

      • To be fair to Paris, ALL cities around the world have their “no-go” areas. I remember holidaying in Los Angeles in ’82, a disabled friend & I were driving down one busy street, & I turned down a side-road where I though I should have done as advised, by a local well intentioned fellow, & I seriously wished I hadn’t & couldn’t wait to get out of there! However I agree about rural France, the people are wonderful!

      • “Dougal of Perf

        March 30, 2015 at 3:31 am”

        Try London, Sydney, Melbourne, Los Angelese, New York, Honk Kong (Honkers). All the same! Just watch out for the word that sounds like “Massagi” in Honkers…had me fooled for a while *wink*!

    • Paris changed since the middle age when you could throw your excrements through the windows -!!!
      but concerning dogs, it is forbidden and yo can get a fine –
      a week ago, cars with odd numbers were not allowed on Paris’ streets –
      I just wonder weither they know the solutions or not – and they are solutions for decades

    • I apologise in advance for ruining your stereotype but I was in Paris 2 weeks ago and your description is so far wide of the mark as to be nonsensical.

      Don’t get me wrong, France has many problems but Paris looks ok to me. Much street lighting, very little in the way of hawking and spitting and minimal dog sh!t. I’m sure that there are parts of the city which could be described as a bit grim, but the same is certainly true of London, and all the cities I’ve ever visited in the US. The amount of begging on the streets of San Francisco, for example, far surpasses anything I’ve ever seen in Paris (or London).

      As a country boy, I put all problems such as you describe, wherever they are, down to the common denominator of being in a city.

      Of course, you might just have forgotten to put /sarc at the end of your post, in which case I apologise for this gentle rebuttal.

      • Thanks for that albeit brief mention of San Francisco, one of the most liberal cities in the US- and flooded with the very Homeless that liberals care SO much about. One can Tell their lives are so Vastly improved by going there.

        If the Paris COP were actually ‘successful,’ the whole world would end up looking like that.

      • I did quote a date; 1982. And Paris was CARP then! Hotels, restaurants, service and the general French public were carp and arrogant! The same nonchalant attitude given to English as dog turds.

        Go to a restarant in London, then go to one in Paris. Chalk and cheese! So in 30 or more years, “something” changed in Paris? Really? Being English, we don’t view the French well.

      • Many tks – I am not very often in Paris, but I did see Paris so durty as described , and I do not go to the posh parts such as Champs Elysées and so on

        out of place – but concerning the climate conference – I wish to say that if the plane A230 had crash on “Cadarache” – the conference would be stopped ?? no more conference – no more France

      • The co-pilot of that A320 seems to have suffered some serious mental issues. My former wife used to think the same about me. All I did was just shout (Eventually).

        The Champs Elysées, is just a really really big, wide, road. The sort of evidence one needs to understand why the “peasants” of France revolted!

      • Head for the Porte de Montreuil any weekend. I can vouch that poverty is deeply entrenched in this city, bordering on the Dickensian.

      • Paris is wonderful now, and it was wonderful in 1982 as well. I would do anything short of inventing a climate crisis to go there. If you find the Parisians rude, perhaps you need to look in the mirror. And yes, I have spent quite a bit of time in London too.

      • Parisians ARE rude, 1982 and to date! Never been to a city with such disrespect ror anyone, esp for English!

      • I’m with you Mr G. I visited Paris and St Tropez in 89. It was a great place to visit.

      • Otter,

        San Francisco is so bad that now that there’s a map of human excerement on city streets, so tourists know which areas to avoid:

      • I loved France the twice I visited, admittedly more country areas. We had happy times and good meals. My OH worked in Paris from time to time and I never heard any complaints about the food! I’d love to go back again.

    • I agree with Eric, Paris is beautiful , probably the most beautiful city in the world, with its statues covered in gold leaf, like the golden statue of Joan of Arc .
      If you don’t like Paris, you don’t like anywhere.
      But, as for French politics…..that’s something else.

      • While the English were building water treatment facilities, the French were living in human “guano”. While Englanders were living in mut huts, spectacular Islamic buildings were created in places across North Africa and spread to places like Grenada and Toledo in southern Spain.

        One of the greatest palaces ever made in France, Versailles, the root cause of the “Revolution”, was, in effect, a “toilet” for the “elite”. They simply “shat” where they stood!

        Paris maybe “beautiful” now, but it was a carphole when I was last there. As is said, a reputation is hard to create but very easy to destroy. And the French did destroy well!

      • worked in Paris in the 80s, completely charming if you went along with the inventive attitude .

      • And “IF” you didn’t, or was not aware, you were carped on. I have been to many cities and Paris was the utter worst. May have been because I am English. Who cares! Most of the best places/cities I have been to were in Africa!

      • Having visited paris and london in 1998 and 2000, london was was much cleaner back then. Perhaps it has changed since then. Paris was generally ok if you stayed on the main tourist roads, but a block or two off it was as bad as athens.

    • Gary Mount –
      look at the terms and conditions on your ticket. You may find that if you don’t use the second half, they can come after you..
      Scam to attract day trippers without giving discounts away to those who have longer term business to transact.

    • Street singer-bluegrass banjo player in Paris (and several dozen other places) in the early 1960s. Was there again ~10years ago on business. A different place now.

    • I was in Paris in 1973 as a celebration of my finishing graduate school.
      There, I met a wonderful girl who barely spoke English, and I spoke no French. We got along wonderfully.
      She was very flexible; we spent a wonderful two weeks together.
      The only downer was when my wallet dropped down the hole in the floor they laughingly called a toilet.
      Oh, to be young again……………..!!!!

  5. A bit off topic, but related. If these folks actually believe what they claim to believe, why isn’t this Paris confab being conducted primarily by teleconferencing?

  6. My predictions of the outcome of the Paris 2015 COP 21 have been previously published in January –

    ”December 2015
    At the Paris climate negotiations, hampered by heavy snowfalls, the parties come to a historic compromise agreement to hold next year’s meeting in Barbados.

    And Barbados is a compromise. The Chinese stall negotiation by asking for the moon, literally. The Chinese argue that lunar orbit is the perfect place for 2016 delegates to observe the utter insignificance of human effects on climate. While other delegates generally agree that China is a impoverished developing nation that should be allowed to emit CO2 forever, the location is rejected. Other nations argue that the lunar location discriminates against other impoverished developing nations that, unlike China, do not have the space launch capability to reach lunar orbit.

    Australia’s suggestion of a low cost international teleconference is also dismissed when the issue of adverse impacts on the struggling airline and pre-mix Pina Colada industries is raised.

    It is agreed that Barbados still involves extensive first class airline travel. Also that delegates will still be able to at least view the moon. From the beach at night. While holding a Pina Colada in a pineapple. Finally it is the acknowledgement that, unlike December in Paris, the only umbrellas required will be purely decorative that gets the Barbados vote over the line at 3.00am”

    – I stand by this prediction.

    • The finest wines, champagnes, sparkling wines, the cocktails, the finest foods, the best chefs, etc, all in the name of saving Gaia, who could complain? After all, somebody else is paying the bill!

      • President Obama and Michelle had a personal chef at the White House. This chef light heartedly complained about the $500 charge for his custom made cutlery set: Not to buy them; but to have them sharpened.

    • Have you got a computer model to support that prediction? I understand that you can absolutely depend upon computer models when it comes to the anything related to climate change.

  7. Suppose they gave a (climate council) war, and everybody forgot to come?
    In a repeat scene from “Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines…
    Up down flying around,
    Looping the loop, and defying the ground.
    They’re all frightfully keen,
    those magnificent manns in their CarbDox machines” – (illustrations by M. Searle)

  8. CAGW is old news. The new hot button crusade coming up is water. Been reading a couple breathkess, gasping puff pieces about how the governments of the world have to unite to meetthis crisis. I also read that several forward thinking cities in the US are considering plans for taxing hotel guests by their water use, blah, blah, blah. The rogue EPA awarded a grant to some university to develop a wireless digital water monitoring system for uuse inhotels, etc.

  9. We hear that x or y terrible thing is about to, or is happening (in the headlines) because of climate change then in the substance of the article find that it hasn’t really happened yet. (The general format of these press releases is that the finding is based on research based on some models that that an academic has developed funded by a government grant and based on IPCC models that even the IPCC has admitted are flawed). How much more can the public stomach of this insane hysteria? Science is becoming a laughing stock and so are bodies such as the IPCC and the UN. But on and on they go with no shame and even less evidence in the hope it will convince us all to surrender to their “wonderful new green world vision” that will save the planet. I presume they then intend to rule the world. Has anyone thought about the consequences of these crazy green zealots and their money hungry parasites ruling the world? Eeek!


  10. Patrick
    March 30, 2015 at 2:33 am

    While the English were building water treatment facilities, the French were living in human “guano”.

    One of the greatest palaces ever made in France, Versailles, the root cause of the “Revolution”, was, in effect, a “toilet” for the “elite”. They simply “shat” where they stood!

    Paris maybe “beautiful” now, but it was a carphole when I was last there. As is said, a reputation is hard to create but very easy to destroy. And the French did destroy well!”

    You’ve forgotten frogs and snails. The french like them so much that some exporting countries, e.g. Bangla Desh, have to buy additional pesticides. The frogs used to devour the pests in the fields and kept the anopheles larvae down, but now the frogs end on french and belgian tables without doing what they have really been created to do.
    Do you trust people who like frogs and snails so much that they eat them?
    For the sake of the frogs and snails of the world, and for some more obvious reasons, boycott COP21!
    /sarc? off

    • I am a “roast beef” but I like snails, well it is mostly the garlicy dressing.
      apparently you feed them on oatmeal for 3 days then starve them for a day before popping them in the boiling water and searching for a pin.

      • I like periwinkles better.
        More flavour and less Oatmeal.
        Also cheaper.
        The pin gets used as well.

    • The French and Belgians can have them, with mayo too! Now explain the “cane toad” importation in Australia in 1935?

      • Even for French and Belgians the Cane Toad is a little bit too toxic. To make it short: the Aussies loused it in ’35, sh*t happens… I hope Abbott can hold his line in Paris and manages to throw some nice spanners in the works.

    • Off topic perhaps but: we have to be careful in England now about nasty comments about the French. A study of the DNA of the indigenous English has shown that we are 45% French and 25% German . The rest Is presume is from Iron Age Celts.

      • I saw that, interesting that a demarcation was exactly on the Devon/Somerset border ( but we all knew that ) and that that there was a little enclave that held out from the normans in, is that, somewhere near Leeds, Sheffield, Wakefield ?

  11. Given the long track record of such sabotage, I would expect the trade unions to bring Paris to a halt that week – for once I’ll be cheering them on. Going to be chaos anyway with countries competing to have the longest motorcades, poshest hotels, biggest entourages.

    • You do realise that the word “sabotage” is derived from the French word to descrice “wooden footware”, a “sabo”. With the advent of the “programable” loom machine, many French were put out of work in favour of machines and automation. Think of the “auto” playing piano. People then used their “sabo’s” (Wooden footware) to “sabotage” said machines.

  12. “Non Nomen

    March 30, 2015 at 3:15 am”

    Snails were one of the first “animals” farmed by humans (Think about it. They are not “rapid” are they?). We found better animals to farm. Plenty of evidence to support this post. I’ll leave snails to the French, insects to the Asians and take my beef, lamb and pig as it should be! No apple, no mint, just cooked as it should be!

    • Eating snails, frogs and hats during a famine may be ok, but we should better leave the frogs in their rice paddies in asia. That seems a lesson about the environment the French still have to learn. The so-called EU even regulates the non-use of lightbulbs, escalators and vaccum cleaners but doesn’t care a darn about ecology in the 3rd world.
      As Nigel Farage quite rightly said in the European “Parliament”: “I want you all fired…”
      I’ll have a steak tonight. Or a decent german sausage.
      Boycott COP21!

      • Nigel Farage is right – the problem is that the idea of an european union comes from the states – they had their slaves : Jean Monnet – Robert Schuman ……….

    • The only people responsible for famine in France were the elite. Off with their heads…as we know! Humans are “omnivours”, we will eat anything that is avalable!

      Snails, no. Winkles, yes.

  13. “It allows people to look at each others’ targets and judge whether or not they pass muster.”

    So basically it gives them more time to berate and bully those who don’t toe the party line.

    • And whodecides just what threshold of participation ‘passes muster’?

      From a ‘low carbon foot print’ perspective, if the attendees use any technology higher than a bicycle or sailboat to travel to France to participate, they will have failed to ‘pass muster’.

      Can you imagine the likes of Michael Mann and Al Gore pedaling into Paris, with mawkish berets crowning their florid, fat faces? ” I think I can (wheeze)….. I think I can (gasp)….

  14. At Copenhagen, the Chinese covered their chagrin at the failure of the shakedown of the developed countries by raging about the neo-colonial manipulations of one Obama. There will be no such problem at Paris; Obama has conceded the US’s status as colony to China.

    The most interesting developing coalition is the BRICs and two former colonial Anglophone countries.
    ===============

    • I hope they can manage some sort of secession or bail-out-clause becoming part of that “treaty”.

  15. I would like our Canadian PM to tell them that Canada isn’t going to play their country-judgeing game.
    If they complain then stop all funding to the UN and order all UN personnel in Canada out of the country.

  16. There is danger lurking in this conference that is to be taken seriously.

    Obama lusts for executive actions and would love to hold up an agreement as evidence of his leadership on the world stage. This, in turn unleashes agencies to write regulatory rules in any way or fashion to flank Congress.
    As we approach the Presidential election, expect it to be a rallying cry for the democrats to get out their base vote.

  17. COP 21 Rossi is getting more than that in ssm .(self sustained mode.)
    With his commercial LENR 1Mw plant.
    Soon this will be as water under a bridge.

    • I’ll believe LENR when I see it. In at least one Los Alamos nuclear accident a scientist grabbed a supercritical core with his hand – lethal dose of radiation, but no thermal burn.

      Any actual heat should be accompanied by enough radiation to kill everyone in the demonstration room.

      You get a lethal blast of radiation from a fusion reaction – fusion is 100x worse than fission. Rossi’s explanation that he gets heat but no radiation because it is a “new kind of fusion” IMO is BS.

  18. I am sure they want to go along but a lot of countries will be washing their hair that night.

  19. Oh Bummer is leading from the front.
    He is in the driver’s seat.
    Oops – we just hit a train and we are about to go over the precipice.

  20. Oh, the poor, poor darlings. All those hotels booked, the champagne ordered, the after parties organised and then the post conference holiday booked and the family coming over and all for not very much except some global ridicule. Life can be so cruel. Who would be a climate scientist?

  21. “The earlier the better,” said Jake Schmidt, of the U.S. National Resources Defense Council. “It allows people to look at each others’ targets and judge whether or not they pass muster.”
    ================
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Resources_Defense_Council
    The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) is a New York City-based, non-profit international environmental advocacy group,
    There are reports of the NRDC receiving funding from groups with ties with Russia’s state owned oil company.[10]
    “Foreign Firm Funding U.S. Green Groups Tied to State-Owned Russian Oil Company”. The Washington Free Beacon. January 27, 2015.
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/foreign-firm-funding-u-s-green-groups-tied-to-state-owned-russian-oil-company/

  22. I think they should build palaces, exhibition halls, and monuments at all these venues. Like World’s Fairs, or the Olympic Games. Be sure not to invite any terrorists.
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  23. Let ’em eat fungi, and chemical plant paste, and fish breeding litter, and shelled slugs. Let ’em drink rotted grapes.
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  24. “…the upcoming COP21 Paris climate conference, widely hyped by greens and politicians to be the conference which will achieve the great international climate breakthrough…”

    “…widely hyped….to be the conference which will…”

    Hmmmm…deliberately misleading word choice. STRAW MAN ALERT!! I’m sure many, if not a majority of greens (and Climate Scientists) ‘hope’ it will be “the conference which will achieve the great international climate breakthrough…”, but realistically are convinced that the agreement will be too little, too late.

  25. @garymount March 30, 2015 at 2:20 am
    I would like to know why it was cheaper for me to buy a round trip ticket from France to U.K. on the hovercraft than a one way ticket. Was the reasoning to fake the numbers of visitors?

    This will be standard the whole world over.

    It’s because a return ticker is bought by visitors. To increase the number of visitors to somewhere (particularly day visitors) you lower the price of the tickets they use.

    Single tickets are bought by people doing business in places, or with other specialist needs. They have a specific need to go to that place, and they’re going to go, come what may. So you charge them as much as possible…

    A capitalist market only charges the minimum necessary if there is perfect competition. For many goods – eg transport, which costs a lot to set up and so is hard for competitors to join, you effectively have a monopoly…

    • Here’s the thing though, me and my traveling buddy were going to buy a one way ticket but we were advised to purchase the round trip ticked as it would be cheaper. After some confusion and discussions about the fact we were not going to be coming back, we became convinced to purchase the round trip tickets because it was the cheapest option.

      We then traveled to London after hitting the shores of the UK, spent the night in London then tracked down the home of a friends relative in a city just outside of London, whereupon we stayed the nights and commuted into London each morning to sight-see. After a week we said our good-byes, secretly left several hundred quid in an envelope for our hostess, flew from London back to Amsterdam then to Calgary and finally Vancouver the final destination. (My local bridge was recycled in the Final Destination 5 movie by-the-way).
      The trip took place in 1988, early April.

  26. This summit is perhaps the most utterly dangerous nonsense imaginable next to “Islam is a Religion of Peace”…… The World’s Western leaders are so entrenched in denial, that cannot seem to change course.
    (Denial about real science that is). We are skeptics. We question, We think.

    Their dogma sounds like George Orwell’s nightmares…….

    When will the adults on this planet stand up and say “enough”!

  27. Paris will be one of the last Climate Summits before the CAGW hysteria runs its course and is eye-rolled and laughed into oblivion…

    It’s the last big bash all the Eco-wackos will stage so it might as well be in one of the world’s most beautiful cities– go out with bang.

    Sayonara, CAGW. You’ve been a colossal pain in the bum.

    • No, Enviro-Hajj is far too fun to abandon.
      It’ll just lower it’s sights to not try to commit to things anyone would bother fighting.
      And so they keep the gravy-train oozing.
      There will be more and more of these jollies trying to do less and less.

  28. I would like to point out that the Canadian and Australian CO2 contributions are piffling. I would also like to wave the flag and say Yay! Go Canada! It’ll be a cold day in Australia before Canada signs up for this BS. Good to see Brazil on board.

    • Only if we have the good sense to keep Harper in power this Fall.
      The Boy® would give away the farm in a second.

  29. I would suggest that Tony Abbott sends an intern with ‘observer status’ with absolutely no authority to agree to anything. Nice slap in the face.

  30. I got China’s plan if anyone want to see it , its rather short and says ‘we are going to do what we like , if you suckers want to drive more of your industries toward China , then please feel free to do so “

  31. I would like to see the UN totally disbanded. I would prefer to deal with a tyrant rather than a bureaucrat.

  32. It’s already written in the stars that there will be a last-minute historic deal at the end of the Paris conference, after a 24-hour extension of the proceedings.

    The deal will be political and voluntary in nature, with no legal enforcement or penalty mechanism.

    Nevertheless, its purpose will be achieved: to keep alive the AGW meme in the media and for the uninformed population, as well as provide a pretext for the multitude of eco-militants to continue applying pressure on politicians.

    As long as political leaders continue to play the game, the IPCC and its media propagandists are not going away.

  33. This whole thing reminds me of Mel Brooks and Woody Allen.

    My memory may deceive me (although certainly not as much as my older sister does), but I seem to recall a Mel Brooks movie wherein one of the good guys from the old Wild West, when confronted by banditos, withdraws his revolver from its holster, points it at his head, and threatens them, “If you come any closer I’ll shoot myself.”

    Again, my memory may deceive me (although certainly … ), but I seem to recall Woody Allen describing a fight he was involved in wherein he took his opponent down by slamming his jaw into the opponent’s fist, walloping his stomach into the opponent’s foot, and so on.

    As we know, these days there are several unspeakably vicious organizations that are intent on returning society to a blissful time about 700 years in the past. For some reason fat and happy representatives of the soon to be former Enlightenment West seem to think we’ll win this fight by getting back to this Middle Ages Eden first.

    • Heh, the last six years of American foreign policy in two movie clips. Good movies, too.
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  34. There is no need to promise to reduce anthropogenic CO2 emissions. Reducing anthropogenic CO2 emissions will have no effect on climate ‘change’. Detailed observations and detailed analysis supported the assertion that 100% of the IPCC proclamations were incorrect, however, the CAGW cult propaganda machine was able to roll on as the scientific implications of a plateau of no warming for 18 years and the other analyses results can be and were ignored.

    Observations are about to take the climate wars and climate/planetary changes to a new level of crazy. Atmospheric CO2 levels have started to fall. The weird plateau of no warming is over. The planet has started to cool. More than 70% (80 ppm) of the recent rise in atmospheric CO2 was due to natural sources or conversely less than 30% (35 ppm) of the recent rise in atmospheric CO2 was due to anthropogenic emissions. The rise in atmospheric CO2 levels correlates with the integral of the global temperature anomaly, with a 10 month lag, it does not correlate with anthropogenic CO2 emissions.

    The implications of Salby’s and Humlum’s analysis were ignored. (Interesting re-read.)

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/22/excerpts-from-salbys-slide-show/

    Secondly, detailed analysis does not support the assertion that the majority of the 1C temperature rise in the last 150 years was due to anthropogenic CO2 emission. Roughly 70% (0.7C) of the recent rise in planetary temperature was due to solar changes.

    Now as the solar cycle has been interrupted (more complicated and interesting from a physics standpoint than a simple interruption to the solar magnetic cycle) the sun will be anomalously spotless (most days) by the end of this year and as the solar mechanism that was causing an anomalously reduction in wind speed over the oceans is starting to abate, wind speeds over the oceans will be anomalously high which along with changes in cloud extent, cloud type, cloud properties, and cloud lifetimes (initial observed cooling is due to changes in clouds) will cause the planet to cool.

    If the assertion that the majority of the warming in the last 150 years was due to solar changes rather than the increase in anthropogenic CO2 emissions is correct, the warming in the last 150 years is reversal able (i.e. The planet can and will cool.) Observation evidence to support the start of global cooling is: 1) Record sea ice in the Antarctic all months of the year starting in 2012, 2) Rapid recover of sea ice extent and multiyear sea ice in the Arctic, starting also in 2012 3) Temperatures on the Greenland ice sheet have dropped and there is now increasing mass on the Greenland ice sheet due to increased snowfall, starting in 2014 (Physical observed changes require physical causes).

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

    The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature
    …As cause always must precede effect, this observation demonstrates that modern changes in temperatures are generally not induced by changes in atmospheric CO2. Indeed, the sequence of events is seen to be the opposite: temperature changes are taking place before the corresponding CO2 changes occur.

    As the theoretical initial temperature effect of changes in atmospheric CO2 must materialize first in the troposphere, and then subsequently at the planet surface (land and ocean), our diagrams 2–8 reveal that the common notion of globally dominant temperature controls exercised by atmospheric CO2 is in need of reassessment.

    Empirical observations indicate that changes in temperature generally are driving changes in atmospheric CO2, and not the other way around…. …A main control on atmospheric CO2 appears to be the ocean surface temperature, and it remains a possibility that a significant part of the overall increase of atmospheric CO2 since at least 1958 (start of Mauna Loa observations) simply reflects the gradual warming of the oceans, as a result of the prolonged period of high solar activity since 1920 (Solanki et al., 2004). Based on the GISP2 ice core proxy record from Greenland it has previously been pointed out that the present period of warming since 1850 to a high degree may be explained by a natural c. 1100 yr periodic temperature variation (Humlum et al., 2011).

    …Analyses of a pole-to-pole transect of atmospheric CO2 records suggest that changes in atmospheric CO2 are initiated south of the Equator, but probably not far from the Equator, and from there spreads towards the two poles within a year or so (Fig. 13). This observation specifically points towards the oceans at or south of the Equator as an important source area for observed changes in atmospheric CO2. The major release of anthropogene CO2 is taking place at mid-latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere (Fig. 12), but the north–south transect investigated show no indication of the main change signal in atmospheric CO2 originating here. The main signal must therefore be caused by something else. A similar conclusion, but based on studies of the residence time of anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere, was reached by Segalstad (1998); Essenhigh (2009).

    Over the entire study period atmospheric CO2 shows a continuous increase, when annual variations are ignored. This might also be interpreted as being the result of the release of anthropogene CO2, but the observed propagation of the main atmospheric CO2 change signal along the pole-to-pole transect (Fig. 13) seems to argue against such an interpretation. The signal propagation instead suggests a possible connection to especially the southern oceans and their surface temperature, but a detailed analysis of this falls beyond the present study.

  35. Of course there will be the usual abundance of alcohol and women for hire at this barely-disguised excuse for a PAR-TAY. I notice there are no sing-alongs on the agenda. I’m guessing they heard that an excess of wine, women, and song results in an early death so they cut out the singing.

    • Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA) recently predicted that global warming, err climate change, would force many women into prostitution to survive. I guess this conference will demonstrate that claim:)

  36. Does anyone know what has happened to the person who was going to kayak from Australia to Paris for the conference? A good demonstration of “useful idiot” as there were some significant non-green travel involved. Namely transporting the kayak and the “idiot” by plane on some major legs.

    • He is still in Mississippi near Vicksburg and has abandoned plans to go to Canada, and is planning to go to New York instead.

      Mississippi Blues

      Well haven’t there been some changes since my last blog.

      The route has changed, I am turning right somewhere and going to New York. Canada will be a side trip if I have time.
      The way of operating has changed so daily updates will become updates when I can. I will do stretches of the river and then come back for the crew.

      http://kayak4earth.com/category/diary/

  37. Even the warmistas don’t believe their over-hyped global warming predictions anymore. This is evidenced by the fact that they have rolled back the ‘doomsday temperature increase’ from 2C to 1.5C.

  38. It’s funny how climate gets combined with politics, but it happens allover the world. Every time I see a politician talking about the climate, I become a bit skeptic: what does he want? is he really interested in the climate? Usually, they have a hidden agenda, which is, often, more important than their public one. They are looking for ways to suggest more taxes, but do taxes solve our warming problem? More than that, too many people are saying things about climate without having a clue of what climate is.

  39. I think the point of the conference is to say the world leaders are collaborating in addressing serious world problems. You know the same way they address, genocide, aids, and famine in Africa, and endless war and strife in the Middle east.

    In other words a bunch of big stomachs and empty heads patting themselves on the back and then going home and using this meaningless but very expensive, high CO2 foorprint conference to help get re-elected.

  40. what Reuters & the rest of our MSM isn’t reporting, & Google is pretty much hiding behind its algore-ithms, is this Paris-killing story. here’s hoping India & the developing countries stand firm. our promises to provide $100 billion annually plus free transfer of technology was a false promise, just as CAGW was based on a false hypothesis:

    30 March: Economic Times India: Urmi Goswami: India calls for a deal for
    pre-2020 efforts to tackle climate change
    India wants a global agreement that will address intensified efforts to tackle climate change between 2015 and 2020 and has questioned the single-minded focus on finalising a global compact for the post-2020 period, which is to be inked in Paris in December…
    At the talks held in Geneva in February, Indian negotiators had raised the issue that countries, especially the industrialised nations, need to do much more to address rising emissions and the impact of unchecked climate change between 2015 and 2020.
    ***”We have given it in writing to the chairmen of the ad-hoc working group on the Durban Platform. In 2011, when countries decided to craft anew agreement to address climate change, it was also decided to accelerate efforts to tackle global warming in the period up to 2020. But now the discussions are solely focused on the post-2020 agreement…a senior member of the government said…
    ***In the pre-2020 period, the onus of reducing the amount of carbon produced is on the industrialised countries, with developing countries taking steps on a voluntary basis. Industrialised countries are required to provide financial support, which was agreed in 2009 and 2010 to be to the tune of $100 billion a year, and were also committed to provide technology to developing countries to address climate change.
    **India’s demand has the broad support of developing countries. At Geneva, where negotiators from 193 countries met for a week to finalise a draft of the post-2020 global compact, representatives of countries including China, South Africa and other African countries and small islands consistently stressed on the need to focus on increasing the efforts being made to tackle climate change before 2020.
    Developing countries have argued that the lack of attention to the pre-2020 efforts only serve to transfer the burden of action to poor countries…
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-calls-for-a-deal-for-pre-2020-efforts-to-tackle-climate-change/articleshow/46740791.cms

  41. The Australian government is currently looking for comment:
    https://www.dpmc.gov.au/taskforces/unfccc
    In the “Issues Paper”, they use an expression I haven’t seen before – “carbon leakage”.
    Anyone seen this anywhere else? At first glance I thought it might be a euphemism for BS. The next recollection was those occasions when, however well you tried to tie the nappy [diaper] it wasn’t successful. Either way, it’s appropriate for the context.

    • Carbon leakage is when a company moves overseas and you get to claim less emissions because of it, but the products they make are brought back to your shores to be sold.

  42. The White House official noted that both the United States and China already outlined plans last year, saying: “That adds up to a fantastic running start.”

    What China agreed to do is to continue increasing CO2 emissions unabated until 2030. They supposedly won’t increase emission beyond the 2030 peak, but then the agreement ends in 2030, so are they really committing to do anything at all? If that adds up to a fantastic running start, I have to wonder what it would take to disappoint them.

  43. The US plan will be submitted tomorrow. So far European Union, Mexico, Switzerland and Norway have submitted. With the US that makes a fair percentage of the world economy.

    As the story goes, the reasons for deadlines are so the newspapers know when to schedule a report.

  44. Bubba Cow
    March 30, 2015 at 5:47 am

    @Non Nomen –
    you’re right, of course
    a camera and a microphone are much trickier than computer models

    When compared to the computer models the climate scientists produce you are totally right. They do not even model the natural parts of the main variable CO2 they are that simple.

  45. In 2009 left radicals in Strasbourg tried to save the world by burning a hotel, customs office and pharmacy in an impoverished area. Some of the videos are not suitable for family audience, but you’ll get the idea:

    Judging from the last election result, the reception is perhaps a bit calmer this time. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32114520.

    • Well, the liklyhood of snow in Paris, even in (early December) is very small. Average temp is around 5-6 deg C – with a confidence level of +- 2 deg C (on average). But it would be fun …. like it was in Copehagen. But Copenhagen is more north compared to Paris.

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