The UN Climate End Game

Guest opinion by David Archibald

“Everybody Wants To Rule The World” was a 1985 song by Tears For Fears. Now in 2015, a number of parties are doing their best to that end – ISIS in the Middle East, Russia chewing up the Ukraine, China in the East and South China Seas and the UN Climate Change Commission. A draft document out of Geneva gives details of the UN plan to rule the world.

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Christiana Figueres is on the right in this photo, but far left politically.

For most of us, the memorable thing from the Lima climate late last year was Greenpeace’s despoiling of an ancient Nazca figure of a hummingbird.

But the Lima conference has been quickly followed by another in Geneva. The purpose of the latter conference was to produce the negotiating text for the climate conference to be held in Paris in December. The Geneva meeting was conducted in a rush with no opening statements, even by the head of the UNFCCC, Christiana Figueres. Ms. Figueres expectation of the climate treaty coming is that it will be “a centralised transformation” that “is going to make the life of everyone on the planet very different”.

Just how different is shown by snippets of the Paris negotiating text. Let’s start with this one from page 5:

“All Parties to strive to achieve low greenhouse gas climate-resilient economies and societies, on the basis of equity and in accordance with their historical responsibilities, common but differentiated responsibilities / evolving common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities, in order to achieve sustainable development, poverty eradication and prosperity for the benefit of present and future generations of humankind, taking fully into account the historical responsibility of developed country Parties.”

Animal Farm was supposed to be a cautionary tale about communism. The UN has taken “All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others.” and turned into “All countries are common but some are more differentiated than others.”

How will the UN determine how much one country might be differentiated from another? That is explained on page 85:

“In reviewing and revising Annex I to the Convention, the total amount of greenhouse gases, expressed in carbon dioxide equivalent, emitted by a Party to the Convention since 1750 A.D. shall be added and divided by the current population of that Party. Based on the thus obtained per capita greenhouse gas emissions and population size of each Party to the Convention, the average global per capita emissions of greenhouse gases shall be used to evaluate the status of the greenhouse gas emissions of a Party to the Convention. Each Party to the Convention whose per capita greenhouse gas emissions exceed the global average per capita greenhouse gas emissions shall be proposed to be inscribed in Annex I to the Convention, and the remaining Parties shall not be proposed to be inscribed in Annex I to the Convention.”

Why 1750? Are the sins of the fathers are to be visited their sons even unto the 11th generation, which is us? Climate treaties used to be based on 1990 as the start date because that was convenient to the Europeans as the fall of communism in that year had curbed their coal consumption. The European countries were going to be the easy treaty compliers while the US was punished. That was the plan at the beginning. But now it is changed to 1750.

The significance of Annex 1 is that if you are on it, you will be paying for the whole circus – US$100 billion per annum for kleptocracies. What if you don’t want to be on Annex 1, because you know that global warming is nonsense or something? What might happen is hinted at on page 8:

“Option 4: Decides that the developed country Parties shall not resort to any form of unilateral measures against goods and services from developing country Parties on any grounds related to climate change, recalling the principles and provisions of the Convention”

The option says that developing countries are not to have unilateral measures taken against them but who would bother doing that? The implied target is elsewhere. Countries that are allocated to Annex 1 but don’t cough up the cash might have unilateral measures taken against them by “developed country Parties”.

Australia signed up for the UN climate treaty in 2007. Canada pulled out in 2011 and Russia and Japan have rejected new targets after 2012. Perhaps the US will keep us free – Ms Figueres has said that the US Congress is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming.

So that is why the global warming scare is so hard to kill. The end game is world domination. With such a big prize – the biggest possible, facts aren’t even inconvenient. They are not part of the process. It has been a long slog but gird your loins for a battle that might last into mid-century. Lima was COP 20 and Ms Figueres is prepared to take it to COP 40.


David Archibald, a visiting fellow at the Institute of World Politics in Washington, D.C., is the author of Twilight of Abundance (Regnery, 2014)

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Thank you David for being the first person to point out – to me at least – the new starting point of 1750 for calculating emissions in the Paris drafts. The implications of that? I’m sure someone will be quoting Zhou Enlai before we’re done: it’s too soon to say.
Joking apart, what can the moral basis be for punishing whole peoples based on actions carried out over 250 years ago, when absolutely nothing was known about the radiative properties of CO2, let alone a well-worked theory of the radiative-convective greenhouse a la Manabe and Wetherald?
I think we should hit this moral vacuity as hard as possible, though I don’t doubt global power-seeking is present as well.

george e. smith

I noticed that everybody who is above the global average will help pay the whole bill.

Francisco

1750??? That was a green era!!!
That is when wind power (the navy ruled the seas this way) and water power (river run mills) ruled… renewables!!!
But then, homes had coal fires, as did smelting. These were biofuels!!!! (and dung in many places).
I might be wrong, but in a per capita basis, I believe a single house coal heart or stove for cooking and warming might have generated a bit more CO2 than we do nowadays. Drinking water was often contaminated by raw sewage and garbage was left rotting in the street. Problems with the disposal of the dead often added to the stench and decay.
This on a domestic environment.
Now, if you were to account of the emissions of all wastes dumped into the streets from chamber pots, massive environmental damage to rivers and streams from the industry, plagues and diseases caused by the lack of dirty fossil fuel technological advancements and so forth. Then tally all this per capita, then we would be comparing the same basis.
Oh, and people should have a life expectancy of <40 years and bells tolling for deaths were considered a nuisance (noise pollution). 1 out of five children did not see their second birthday.
To think we missed all those good days because dirty energy has made our lives miserable. We live past 80, we have clean environments, food over supply exists, we dress warmly with thin layers of clothing…. This sucks!! I want to die of tuberculosis!!
But well, some people (mostly politicians) seem to have biofuels firing their neurons.

My guess is it will be from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.
They don’t know any other way.

The winners are countries that have only a short history. Ukraine, for example, only became a country, in 1990 and already bits are changing hands. Europe has a long history of changing borders and states appearing and disappearing.. Australia was not a country until 1901 so that is a bit of relief. The last Labor (Socialist) government passed laws to shut down industries such as making aluminium, and steel and other efficient manufacturing so Australia should be OK unless they fiddle the table (very likely). The rules seem to be made to bring down the USA and some politicians in US are helping out. No where around the world at present except in China are there any leaders with foresight, skills and knowledge to improve the welfare of their people.

lee

Australia was settled by the British in 1788, with indigenous inhabitants beforehand.
There is no record of bushfires burning at the time, but being January is highly likely. The question is how to determine those emissions?
NASA satellite shows current high emissions over northern Australia; a relatively uninhabited area with no manufacturing. Obviously not manmade. Australia is also a carbon sink. Are they studying net emissions or merely calculated new emissions?

D.J. Hawkins

I believe the real point of the calculation is to keep China off Annex 1. That way they are part of the payee group, not the payer group, despite the fact that they are now the largest producer of CO2 by far. Totally crazy, since IF you believe the CAGW guff you have to believe that absolute tonnage is what counts, not per capita output, and certainly not per capita output from 250 years ago.

AJ Virgo

China has had squillions of people burning cooking fires and metal/pottery works since 1750 far outnumbering anything even remotely similar anywhere else !

Christopher Paino

I think I hear tin foil rustling…
And the hummingbird was despoiled? Not.

Harry Passfield

Duh?? What you smokin’?

Stephen Richards

He is quoting their documnet you prat.

Harry Passfield

Thanks for the feedback Stephen. I shall cherish your most elegant opinion and endeavour to do better in future. Cheers.

hunter

So quoting the actual treaty is too crazy for you. I would suggest that being highly fact resistant is evidence of tinfoil abuse.

Hunter, be more nice to him… after all, it was hard for him to get his tinfoil hat on without hearing it rustle
😉

MCourtney

This is not the crazy of a few days ago.
This is looking at the costs of the new treaty being discussed. A real treaty quoted accurately and not picking to disbelieve the bits that don’t fit the paranoia. It’s not the crazy.
OK, it’s about trying to get rich rather than trying to rule the world but money does make the world go round. But that’s just the writer’s style.
That’s the problem with posting one mad story. All other stories are assumed to be delusions too.

Christopher Paino

No, the problem is that it is apparently ok to be hyperbolic here, but only if you appear to be on the correct team.

Ian W

Christopher Paino
February 18, 2015 at 3:00 pm
The actual wording of a proposed treaty is quoted, and you think that is hyperbole?
The warming from the Little Ice Age has stopped, and now a 38% chance of an increase of a hundredth of a degree is trumpeted by politicians as being “the biggest threat facing human civilization” based on which this treaty is essential. And you call quoting the treaty ‘hyperbole’?

Roger

That rustling is your hat…

BFL

Try thinking about the total amount and bandwidth of electromagnetic waves filling the air from radio/TV/mobile services/satellites/etc. Maybe it’s not those vaccinations after all…. Probably all should be wearing metal hats (recommend aluminum sheet as it is cheapest).

Harry Passfield

Annex 1: That’s one hell of a naughty step.
Calculating per-capita CO2 emissions is a pretty poor method and is designed to punish highly developed and high-value power-intensive manufacturing countries parties with low populations.
BTW, David, China is not just ‘in the east’; they are are all over Africa – and for those who like to bang on about Britain (and other European countries) having been a ‘bad’ colonial power, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Phlogiston

China has got it right with Africa. That “benighted continent” needs trade pure and simple, no strings attached, not the nauseating never-ending “aid” from the sanctimonious west which serves chattering-class egos not African economies.
Go China – we need to learn a big lesson from them in Africa, end our trade embargo on that continent (have the balls to tell the French farmers where to go) – and get over ourselves into the bargain.

Yep… Chinese companies couldn’t care less about whether they’re dealing with dictators or “freely-elected” despots in Africa…
The irony is that the more these Chinese companies help build industry and infra-structure in these developing countries, the economies improve and more people with money find it easier to replace scumbag despots with less tyrannical despots that will allow them to keep more of their stuff.
The new despots eventually learn that they get wealthier if they decide to steal less of more, and allow some free-market principles to be adopted….
I love the smell of irony in the morning…. It reminds me of…..victory.

Brian H

Samuri; you might like to google De Souza and Tyranny. Insightful thoughts on cabals etc. Once the general benefits of economic growth change the payoff table, tyrannies implode.

AJ Virgo

I for one hope you are right but China is a prison Nation ruled by fear, non democratic. The most likely outcome is a continuation of current African corruption where China and the host Govt share the spoils.

Dr. Archibald. Thank you for the very fine and concise post. With regard to your statement
“So that is why the global warming scare is so hard to kill. The end game is world domination. With such a big prize – the biggest possible, facts aren’t even inconvenient. They are not part of the process.”
We here at WUWT already knew that, but your posting certainly brings it into sharp focus.
Thanks

logos_wrench

How about divestment of the U.N? The poster child for worthless bureaucratic behemoth. Nothing like backward assed third worlders in polyester suits trying to run the world. That thing needs to go away.

markl

+1 That should be our end game. What started as a means to diplomatically sooth competing interests of nations morphed into a policy generating entity seeking world governance.

Logos– 20,000 years ago during the last glaciation, NYC was under 1 mile of ice…
Imagine, the UN building under 1 mile of ice…. Sweet!
Anyway, I agree with you. The US should get out of the UN and get the UN out of the US…
Why should the US pay money to and be involved with an organization whose long-term goal is the destruction of the US and the formation of a one-world dystopian government…

joelobryan

+1 from me, on getting out of the UN.

I think UN derailed when they let the NGOs and radical environmentalism in when establishing UNEP, UNFCCC and etc. The UN slogan now is “Stronger UN, better world” and the UN statement that the climate treaty means “a centralised transformation” that “is going to make the life of everyone on the planet very different”, democracy end game, begs a national policy to make the life of the UN very different?

AJ Virgo

Politicians graduate from National politics to World politics at the UN. Once hard up for cash the money is now pouring into the UN via CO2 warming…..suspicious ?

Mike Bromley the Kurd

a blizzard of cumbersome language.

redc1c4

but a thing of beauty if you wish to be able skew its “meaning” at a future date… it will mean whatever they want it to mean, since it doesn’t really say anything.

inMAGICn

How did you plow through it MBK? Sheer gibberish.

Countries should be rewarded for increasing their CO2 emissions. There is no identified downside, and plenty of obvious benefits. No matter how much CO2 is emitted, it will still remain a tiny trace gas.
But really, CO2 is only the pretext.

Brian H

+1
GAIA invented humans to combat CO2 suicide by stupid plants.

AJ Virgo

Plants cannot photosynthesize below 290ppp CO2 so if we were to lower it by 100ppm like the Greens propose we would be at 300ppm which is dangerously close to an end to all terrestrial life !

CodeTech

I swear, this reminds me so much of this 10 second Family Guy clip, it could have been written by their writers…
http://youtu.be/McKW5z3mNTQ (warning… the kids don’t know, but we do)

Allen from Canada

“Each Party to the Convention whose per capita greenhouse gas emissions exceed the global average per capita greenhouse gas emissions ….”
A simple per capita formula? So, in addition to being penalised for being productive, Northern countries (“the West”) will be further penalised for emmisions associated with keeping their homes warm and their populations alive during the winter months? Oh wait, I forgot, under the plan winter will be a thing of the past ….

Awww… 1985… those were the good old days when being a nerd was cool… and science was pure.
“Everyone wants to rule the world” is the terrific theme song for the greatest nerd flick of all time, 1985’s “Real Genius”, staring Val Kilmer. That movie made being a nerd popular.
1985 is also the year “Back to the Future”, another brainy-makes-good flick, came out. It’s great theme song, “Power of Love”, was sung by Huey Lewis. Lewis played a bit part in the movie as a pent-up teacher who rejected Marty McFly’s rock band from playing Lewis’s own song at the prom because, he said, “I’m afraid you are just to darned loud”.
Now all we got is science tainted and data manipulated to support a political agenda. Sad, isn’t it?

kenin

Now this is a subject, finally!
I’ve been on this bulls#%t for years, and i can tell you…. i know as much about this U.N garbage as Maurice Strong. So, let me get right to the meat and potatoes of how they accomplish this mission: Its called I.C.L.E.I. (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives) some of you may have already known this, but figured, hey why not inform those who don’t.
Here in Canada, ICLEI works as a arm/branch of the U.N. and they work with local municipalities/cities (corporations) to help implement a so-called greener more “sustainable” long-term plan within the jurisdiction that the corporation (State,City or Municipality) operates within or covers. All of this is made possible under the guise of conservation and global warming/climate change. Most… if not all local conservation authorities, environmental groups, The Nature Conservancy of Canada and Nature Conservancy (U.S) are all working in concert to help implement this Agenda 21 type plan.
Catchy phrases or titles etc like A Sustainable King…or A greener tom’w. That’s all bull!!!. its all intended to depreciate land value, close roads and it actually gets people to believe that all this pseudo environmental crap applies to them and their property. Well, i got news for you- IT DOESN’T!
For any kind of conservation or encumbrance to take place, there has to be a contract with the property owner/holder. Easements etc go on title, but you first have to agree.
Any group that cries wolf in the name of conservation is simply trying to deceive you into giving up the right to your land. Its a lot more complex than what i just previously explained, but hopefully you get the gist of it.
This is how the U.N. are taking hold of this world, by legally seizing your property through coercion.
If you control the land you control the people.

Unfortunately our local governments just change the zoning to not allow things – like using your land. So you have the use rights removed. In effect there are few use rights left and legal title is a hollow shell as all one is left with is the requirement to pay government rates and taxes. For example, not allowed to collect dead and fallen timber for fire wood, not allowed to cut grass and vegetation, not allowed to take vehicles onto it, not allowed livestock on land without development permits. Unfortunately all this is already done without going near the legal title.
The Australian Federal government achieved their greenhouse and carbon targets and avoided paying billions in carbon reparations by getting the states (so the Federal Constitution was not directly contravened too blatantly-but it may be unconstitutional subject to a court case) to pass legislation confiscating the native vegetation on farming land – thus making it illegal for farmers to plough land, spray any native plant, cut native grasses – trees too of course but most people forget the legislation applies equally to grasses and shrubs. Basically, the UN has the benefit of vast slabs, probably more than half, the area of rural land in Australia, to their agenda.
And these naive folk think we have tin hats on? It has already happened!
“It is worse than we thought!!”

Rovertvd

Whenever you pay government rates and taxes you’re NOT the owner. I bet the UN (like the church) is not paying taxes for the land it owns.

spetzer86

Not dissimilar to how the EPA limits land usage in the USA with wetlands regulations.

Thinair

Republicans in the US Congress need to cut the US contribution to UN funding. $0 sounds like a fair amount, does it not?
Beside cost savings, that will give have additional benefits: less global damage from ill-conceived programs, more people working on productive efforts, and increased living standards for all.
The UN clearly has no ability to affect the number and intensity of world, regional or local conflicts, and may increases them, (perhaps inadvertently).
And the UN certainly will increase political conflicts, waste and economic disasters with these type of policies.

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA

And the best way to do that is to write your congressman, US. Senator, Mitch McConnell (Senate Majority Leader) and John Boehner (Speaker, House of Representatives). Just do an Internet search and it will link you to their websites where there is a place to submit you comments. They are read and some will generate a response.

George Daddis

Agreed, but are we not coming full circle? The original Climate “strategy” was a result of GLOBALISTS (Club of Rome) advocates who kept striking out when trying to advance measures against their elitist academic fears of overpopulation and resource depletions (and we know the “gurus” who provided the “science” to convince them they HAD to act – can you say Paul and Anna Ehrlich and their protege John Holdren? Not to mention Carl Sagen.) The group’s name comes from John Rockefeller’s estate near Rome. (Subsequent members include Presidents from Carter to Bush Sr, and of course Euro Socialists and 3rd world dictators.) When polling showed that “global warming” struck fear in the population Maurice Strong was off and running and of course got the gullible and receptive UN leaders to take up the banner.
The whole situation is “begging the question”.
Are we not battling the lack of intelligence among the the world’s richest and also the most powerful politically elite?

AJ Virgo

The globalists will have their Utopia nothing can stop that now. The question is how long will it last before collapse?
I give it three years from the point of global citizen/bank account signup.

Michael Sweny

These people are the biggest danger facing mankind. Not ISIS not Russia not global warming; it is these green terrorists that will do us in. I am 95% certain of that. Probably as significant as anything these climate fraudsters will ever say.

skorrent1

And 97% of informed people agree with you! (If they don’t, then they are not informed.) ;< )

Twobob

So much hot summer air pontificated out.
All blown away diminished null:
LENR comes on line gone.

A C Osborn

As you can see there is NO Conspiracy ie “a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.”
They are completely open about it, world domination, or as they like to call it governance.
maybe some of the details are more secret than others though.

tadchem

There is a fascinating juxtaposition between the willingness to violate laws intended to protect the environment (the Nazca Lines) and the expectation that the whole rest of the world should honor the NEW laws they seek to impose on us – ‘to protect the environment’.

Doug Proctor

If it were merely about CO2, the treaty would be simple. The activists know this
Since it is about ideological values and the redress of perceived historical wrongs, “success” this year in Paris is not important. The ending of capitalism and the end of the improvement of individual lives through consumption of goods, services and the energy that those require, can be achieved at 500 ppm as well as at 350. The eco-green struggle for CO2 reduction is classic bait-and-switch.
We are in the midst of an economic, asymmetric war. The less developed cannot compete with the developed for cultural, not historical reasons. Individualism and democratic capitalist principles take the group further than sectarian ideologies and tribal sel-interesrd.
The battles in this war must be, for the less developed, ones of word rather than of deed. India and China won’t reduce their CO2 emissions, and have said so. But by saying the emissions “must” come down, they win the word-war. In this way the eco-green becomes a fifth columnist working from the inside without seeing what “victory” entails. He is Stalin’s “useful idiot”, promoting an outcome he doesn’t understand or even want.
For all the sensitive socialist feelings of the eco-green green, he is playing to the elites of the world. The end result will not be the empowerment of the poor but the further entrenchment of the rich and powerful. Improvements at the bottom will be collateral to the improvements at the top and at the expense of the middle.
Al Gore and Robert Kennedy will not lose their mansions in the country, but the bearded Birkenstocker will be bicycling to Walmart. And somehow he will cheer when a Gore or Kennedy says “they” have won.
Conviction, not truth, is the currency of our times.
hops://tallbloke.wordpress.com/suggestions-9/

Mac the Knife

With ISIS carving up Lybia and establishing a nation state just across the Mediterranean from Italy, Boko Haram carving up Nigeria and creating a nation state in the African heartland, China building islands to claim territory and mineral rights in the South China Sea, and Putin scrambling to reestablish alliances with North Korea, Cuba, m’thinks the remaining world community will need a strong United States of America, Australia, and Great Britain in the near future….. and they won’t give a damn about how much CO2 gets emitted (again) in the process of saving their sorry arses from the wannabe world dictators.

diogenese2

Why do they need to go back to 1750 when the bulk of CO2 emissions have occurred since 1950?
Perhaps because, expressed as emissions /capita, those early emissions can weight the total against the “developed” nations. This is to obfuscate that it is ONLY through the fruits of the industrial revolution, which replaced manual/slave labour with fossil fuel derived energy, that the populations of the “developing” world were able to expand to their present extent and it is only fossil fuel which renders these population levels sustainable. That is possibly the underlying motivation for the “green” imperative – the reduction of the population , targeted at the third world.
The “developing nations” are, of course, well aware of this and the consequences are shown in this post – that the “developed world” must immolate itself so that the others can survive.
When considering the contradictions and impossible demands in this “negotiating text” you can see that the inevitable compromises are going to render the concluding “agreement” will have even less meaning and consequence than those that have proceeded it. The global warming narrative
is sinking fast into the mire. This is the Last Hurrah. World domination my arse. Look at Iraq, Syria, Libya and all the other regions fast deteriorating into anarchy. How will they “dominate” that.

asybot

To circumvent the constitution of the USA one of the clearest documents ever put together by a group of very diverse clear thinking humans. ( and I am not sure if there were any Big Oil companies around)

At the risk of being too political here is verse 25 of the Impeachment song: (As if sung by President Obama)
Climate change our biggest threat,
If worse, I will break out a sweat.
Global Governance, you bet!
My war on King Coal not over yet.
(The whole song: ( http://lenbilen.com/2015/02/18/verse-25-of-the-impeachment-song-climate-change-and-the-end-of-capitalism/ )

“perhaps the US Congress will keep us free”
Picking myself up off the floor, I wouldn’t count on it. The PNAC, Neoliberals, Neoconservatives, Neocolonialists neo-whatever da’s have near the entire globe wanting free of us.
Brilliant analyses of Minsk agreement, by intl’ criminal lawyer Christopher Black
http://journal-neo.org/
http://andrevltchek.weebly.com/
Putting the Dollar in Jeopardy
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/01/putting-the-dollar-in-jeopardy/
The Global De-dollarization and the US Policies
http://journal-neo.org/2015/02/02/rus-dedollarizatsiya-i-ssha/

Tom in Florida

That’s why there is such an effort to enact strict gun control in the U .S.
First they take your money,
then they take your guns,
then they take your freedom.

nigelf

and then they take your life.

tom s

Hey UN, go screw yourselves!!😒

Amatør1

Ukraine….?

TRM

” Russia chewing up the Ukraine” ??? WTF? Russia overthrew the democratically elected government? The one that signed a sweetheart deal with Russia instead of taking the EU’s table scraps? Really? You can’t be serious.
No that one lies at the doorstep of the USA. The EU had an agreement with all the parties to settle the situation but your assistant secretary of state said “F* the EU”.
You can make all the excuses you want to overthrow dictators but when you do it to a democratically elected government it shows your true colors. Quit drinking the koolaid.

Tom in Florida

The Ukraine was molested into giving up their nukes under the promise that Europe and the U.S. would protect them from Russia. How’d that work out?

Tom in FL,
Exactly right, and there is a painful lesson in that.
Ukraine was pestered until they handed over the 200 nuclear weapons that they inherited after the old Soviet Union imploded. If they had kept those nukes, Putin would not have dared to molest them.
Other countries should not trust the U.S., not because America is a double-crosser or dishonest. But every 4 years there can be big political changes, and unless there is a treaty that we are bound to uphold protecting small countries like that, what seemed like a good idea at the time turned into a giant blunder.
It’s like your neighbor convincing you to give up your shotgun. Then when you are unarmed, he sells his house and moves. A new neighbor comes along with kids who are gang bangers. Then if your your house is invaded and your wife and daughters are raped, you will wish you had that shotgun back.
This isn’t 1946, where no one dared to mess around with U.S. allies. It’s a different world out there. Russia is engaging in its old shenanigans again, and people are belatedly realizing that the old KGB never went away, it just changed its name to the FSB. But the playas are still the same.

Bush I did at least carry through on the not-quite-a-secret confiscation of the USSR nuclear n=bombs, and their conversion to US power plant fuel rods. Fortunately, Clinton failed to stop this program – or at least, was not told about it so he could stop it. Anyway, Russia nuclear bombs did fuel US reactors, but that gave the democrat administration the excuse to stop U238/Pu239 enrichment here! Carter had long time previous stopped US burner program, which would provide a near-infinite power supply.

Tom in Florida

Let’s not forget this gem. It all makes sense now.

dbstealey February 18, 2015 at 3:06 pm
Tom in FL,
Exactly right, and there is a painful lesson in that.
———————————–
Yeah!
You’d have to be really, really stupid to believe anything Obama says.
Just ask Goober. He knows about lying.

The town that was just recently Liberated by the Rebels in the Ukraine seemed quite happy for the rebels to take over from Kiev.Why is that so?

MarkW

What happens if you haven’t existed as a country since 1750?
How do they deal with countries who’s borders have changed since 1750?

rogerthesurf

The enemy is the UN.
Why?
Because in spite of it’s lofty ideals, the UN is but a bureaucracy.
Bureaucracies by their very nature expand, grow, spread and dominate if they can.
This fact or human failing is well recognized and this is why we have democracy. Democracy has evolved and in the US was designed specifically in order to counter this well known phenomena.
Under democracy we have individually become wealthy simply because we have been given a relatively free rein in order to build our individual wealth from our own hard work with little or no interference from bureaucratic governments or despotic rulers.
It appears that the UN is intent on becoming the government of every country in the world. Once they can clip the ticket and maintain an effective military force, (and they may not need to even achieve that), there will be no stopping them.
Their failed attempt to clip the ticket on carbon transactions has failed but under Agenda 21 and this Climate game they will get there unless we give a very firm signal to our elected representatives!
It is my belief that there is little actual “democracy” in the election of UN officials, and most certainly the man in the street (who is on the way to being oppressed by this bureaucracy) has no say whatsoever.
UN Agenda 21 is in our governments, legislation, local bodies and education systems. Mention Agenda 21 to a politician and they will dismiss you as a cooke, but look up your government websites and it is all there.
Examples in my own country are discussed at http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Especially Insidious is how the UN has infiltrated our education system. Please read carefully the links associated with that. In another 10 years or less we will be voting for the UN to rule us!
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Ps Get hold of a copy of Ian Wishart’s book “Totalitaria” and spend some time checking his sources.

rogerthesurf,
Correctomundo.
The UN is the enemy. There is no doubt.
I am old enough to recall the history. When North Korea invaded the South, Russia had been very lackadaisical about attending meetings of the Security Council [the 5-member UN group with veto power for each member-country].
With The Soviets absent, the Security Council promptly voted to defend South Korea. As a result, SK was able to fend off the North’s invasion, even after Red China assisted the Norks.
The Soviets would have vetoed that action if they had been present. They learned a painful [for them] lesson.
Ever since then, the Soviets [and their successors, Russia], have never once missed a Security Council meeting.
In addition, they realized that the UN was the future, and they began actively infiltrating the UN bureaucracy. That plan is now complete. They have been successful, in large part because many if not most U.S. politicians, and the American public, are very naive. They believe what they hear, instead of looking at what’s happening.
The UN says all the right words. But look at their actions. Everything is designed to hobble the U.S. and Western economies. The UN’s stated goal of a carbon tax would cause immense harm, doing no good at all. And of course, neither China nor Russia would be bound by the restrictions.
China is now growing the biggest and best military in the world. Anyone who believes what they say about being insular, and interested in only their internal affairs is terribly credulous.
Just look at what’s happening in the South China Sea, where China is unilaterally staking claims to waters much closer to Japan, the Phillippines, and Vietnam, than to China. And thanks to the sadly inept Jimmy Carter, China now controls the immensely strategic Panama Canal. Russia’s new defense budget is now up to a third of a trillion dollars annually — while Obama continues to slash our defense spending and works to politicize the military.
If the U.S. and the West do not reverse course very soon, we will be in a 1939 situation — if not much worse. Because as bad as he was, Hitler did not possess nuclear weapons.

rodmol@virginmedia.com

“they began actively infiltrating the UN bureaucracy.”
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Nice Alcoa bonnet you are sporting there.

rodmol@virginmedia.com

“Russia’s new defense budget is now up to a third of a trillion dollars annually”
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No, it does not exceed $70 billion annually.

According wiki “Russia’s military budget is higher than any other European nation, and approximately 1/7th (14%) of the US military budget.”

Santa Baby

According wiki “Russia’s military budget is higher than any other European nation, and approximately 1/7th (14%) of the US military budget.”

Do you impute thusly that the US does not “need” to spend that money protecting the rest of the world from the rest of the world?

How old are you, rodney? Eleven?
What I wrote is common knowledge. You could even look it up, if you had the gumption.
But you don’t. You would rather be wrong in public.

rodmol@virginmedia.com

“Commnon knowledge?”

Hardly.

Sounds like you are suffering from the conspiracy theory blues.

rodmol@virginmedia.com

I don’t buy your Rothschild, one world government, Agenda 21, and the commies are coming way of thinking.

asybot

@db, It is sad that WUWT is turning into a more and more political ” debate ” ( debate ,sure). I find that responding to people like rodney just fuels their fire, put them on ignore. Advice to rodney, read the book “And not a shot fired” by a Czech “citizen” by the name of J. Kozak. He explains in great detail of how the communists started the infiltration of western bureaucracies during the 50’s using “refugees” as moles to undermine the west. Their main goal was to create so many regulations it would stifle capitalism and freedom. For an example Rodney could try and read the ACA ( all 1200 pages voted on before anyone read it).

I could tell folks here something about conspiracies. Couldn’t I … “Socrates”?

Andrew N

By choosing 1750 as a start date, how does the UN intend to calculate emissions for those nations that did not exist at that point? Europe, with the exception of the UK, was pretty much a collection of monarchies of varying sizes, with only a vague resemblance to modern borders. The US wasn’t really the US at that point, with the Louisiana purchase, for example, still some 50 years in the future. Australia wasn’t ‘discovered’ until 1770 and didn’t have European settlers until 1788.

John Leon

I stopped at Russia chewing up the Ukraine. If that is your opinion of an extremely complex situation being deliberately and persistently aggravated by outside governments who have no business being there you have obviously not researched it at all. As there is a very great amount of unbiased information to be found on this conflict which completely annuls your comment, why should I for one minute consider your essay worth reading? Oh and my father’s side of the family is Ukrainian.

Big Bob

Someone needs to send those Paris negotiating texters some punctuation marks. Especially a bag full of periods. Honestly, a 75 word sentence? Who writes this stuff? Take a breath!!

I’m going to have fun plagiarizing from this treaty.

joelobryan

It will not be a “treaty”.
Language, and control of language use (evidence: ISIL versus ISIS. Islamic terrorist versus radicalized extremists), has acquired a centerpiece role in the Liberal’s attempt to control the “message.”
The US delegates to Paris will try very hard to not call the Paris CO2 agreement a “treaty”. The Obama administration has already stated they will not submit the signed agreement to the Senate for ratification, as they know it would never ever get 2/3 vote it needs. Obama will try to go it alone with his unilateral Presidential directives to the executive branch agencies. They will have to legally disguise his orders to the EPA, FERC, etc. It is unclear how he thinks he can get the money to give to the UN though without Congress and a congressional appropriation.

Joel– Yep. That is precisely what will happen.
The weaponized EPA with new CO2 sequestration rules and regulations and Federal/State colossal wind/solar alt-en boondoggles will waste $100’s of billions, if not $trillions until this CAGW hypothesis is officially tossed in the trash bin of failed ideas.
Personally, I think the scientific community outside the climatology field (geophysicists, astrophysicists, chemists, biologists, mathematicians, statisticians, etc.) will have to start blowing the whistle on the CAGW hype, as they begin to fear the blowback against science in general from when the CAGW officially becomes untenable.
CAGW hypothetical projections already exceed reality by 2 standard deviations (RSS data), and within 5~7 years, discrepancies could well exceed 3+ SDs, with no global warming trend for almost a quarter of a century and perhaps even a significant fall of global temp trends for 20+ years.
At that point CAGW will be laughed and eye-rolled into oblivion. Taxpayers simply will not allow seeing their jobs destroyed, their cost of energy skyrocket and their standards of living torpedoed for absolutely no reason.

eo

Will the propose treaty include any penalty or sanctions if any of the parties could not meet their obligations? If none, it will just be a soft law just like most environmental treaties. US has not signed and ratified the Vienna convention on treaties because of the contentious issue related to provisions of the vienna convention that nations could not claim future treaties are unconstitutional as decided by the State Supreme Courts and therefore they could not be enforced even if the treaty has been signed and ratified by their government. Or in simpler terms, the treaty circumvent the constitutional amendment provisions or it over rules the constitution. As a soft law, it just becomes best effort basis. Best effort will now depend on how dogmatic, hysterical and emotional the leadership and the public in a particular country takes climate change such that the best effort becomes the worst thing that happened for the country.

joelobryan

Do not overlook that the parallel attacks on free speech and information warfare that the Green Blob is engaged in as a vital part of this Agenda 21 push from the UN. UNFCCC requires that the majority of populations remain scientifically illiterate and indoctrinated to climate change catastrophism.
(as an aside: If you want to see typical US liberal science literacy in-action, watch this YouTube video, skip ahead to 7:20, and then watch in disbelief.)

The UN will have to come after the internet freedoms, the free flow of information and ideas, too. Sites like Anthony’s WUWT will be prime targets of UN suppression once Obama hands control of the IANA internet root naming function over to the ITU when the ICANN contract expires in October 2015. There is a contractual option to extend the ICANN IANA contract to 2019, which is what should happen.

The IANA functions are key technical services that are critical to the continued operations of the Internet’s underlying address book, the Domain Name System (DNS), that connects IP addresses to website URLs, the NTIA said. ICANN has managed IANA functions including the assignments of country code and generic top-level domains (TLDs) and the management of the DNS Root Zone, the top-level DNS zone of the Internet, since 1999.
The DNS Root zone is arguably the most important part of the Internet. Having a commercial U.S. company, appointed by the U.S. government, controlling such a vital part of the Internet has long drawn criticism and demands to open up the process and to let a more international body control the IANA functions.
source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/258722/icann_keeps_control_over_iana_internet_root.html

What is the ITU? It is a UN Chartered agency, just like the WMO, or WHO.
http://www.itu.int/en/about/Pages/default.aspx
The US green liberals have determined that the US government’s control of the internet root domain means that the 1st Amendment free speech and free press rights prevent the US government from imposing internet censorship they need in order to control the AGW message. Thus they have to ensure that on Obama’s watch, since Hillary’s rise to her throne is not guaranteed, they must divest the US government out of the IANA picture in the next 22 months and give it to the UN where no freedom of speech rights exist. Expect Obama to try and pull a fast one on the ICANN contract expiration to thwart Congress from stopping him.

that is a clear and present danger, I agree

Mickey Reno

I say we penalize the Mongolians. They mastered horse riding, and in doing so, promoted the evil meme of personal mobility, enabling the existence of horse-drawn wagons, coaches and buggies, the predecessors of modern cars and trucks. There was also lots of horse caused flatulence and emissions, the direct lesson of arms races AND finally, as they invaded to the East, they callously trampled the crypto-biotic soils of the fragile steppes. Some of these misdeeds but by no means all, are offset by the good Genghis Kahn did in killing lots of humans who would have otherwise created offspring, ie, future pollution.
And too, I blame the early European, Chinese and Middle Eastern metallurgists who invented cast iron and who smelted ores. If we go back that far, the Western Hemisphere is off the hook completely. And L. Ron Hubbard claimed to have lived 75 trillion years ago. He did some bad shit, too, so let’s bill the Scientologists. I think that about covers everything. Ah, the stone age, we can’t wait to get back to you.

The Old Crusader

That business about ‘current population’ may also have been made with a sideways glance at immigration policies.
The government says “We can’t cut third world immigration – it would make our population lower than it would otherwise be and we may be penalized for that.”

Brian

“the total amount of greenhouse gases, expressed in carbon dioxide equivalent, emitted by a Party to the Convention since 1750 A.D.”
So….. how does one precisely calculate the amount of CO2 equivalent being emitted by a specific population subset 265 years ago?

jackmorrow

After the civil war local governments raised taxes on the landowners so high they could not pay and lost their land to the “carpetbaggers”. Same thing can happen again-history repeats.

John Greenfraud

If this passes, it effectively breaks the agreement the States and the people had with this Republic. Communist U.N. scum want climate reparations? Texas is out, come and take it.

{bold emphasis mine – JW}
Christiana Figueres (executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change) said,
“It is the most inspiring job in the world because what we are doing here is we are inspiring government, private sector, and civil society to [make] the biggest transformation that they have ever undertaken. The Industrial Revolution was also a transformation, but it wasn’t a guided transformation from a centralized policy perspective. This is a centralized transformation that is taking place because governments have decided that they need to listen to science. So it’s a very, very different transformation and one that is going to make the life of everyone on the planet very different.”
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/un_climate_chief_christiana_figueres_talks_making_progress_on_eve_of_doha/2593/

What science? It is the ‘science’ only in papers which support the subjective presumption that there is a problem. Only the papers that are subjectively selected by the UNFCCC’s IPCC and such subjectively selected papers are also subjectively assessed by it. The process is not objective science. It is an ideologically subservient (aka blinded) process, not a scientific one.
I think is ‘pre-science’. a better description for what Figueres is referring to as science.
John
[And she said every life would be made “different.” Not “better” …. .mod]

Grammatical correction to my comment immediately above:
I think is ‘pre-science’ [is] a better description for what Figueres is referring to as science.
John

they actually call it post-normal or post-modern science, but it is not science

Bubba Cow
Indeed there is sufficient reason to discuss it in those terms. And in the history of the philosophy of science there are other conceptions that apply to identifying what it is. I am coining the term pre-science in this context because,it isn’t at the level of science if objectivity is a criteria.
John

[And she said every life would be made “different.” Not “better” …. .m o d]

.m o d,
“Different” as in forced behavior modification and being robbed.
Where do these totalitarians get their intellectual toxins from? Does Gaia send them malignant visions?
John

RickA

What does “emitted” mean in option 5?
Does clearing woods for crop land count as emitting?
How about forest fires started by people?
Is killing all the buffalo net (less methane which is 25 times worse in carbon-dioxide equivalent emissions) against cooking fires?
Seems hard to measure all this.

Brian

One world government, to the idealist, is a tempting idea as we could be “one people united”.
Unfortunately, the reality is that we are not one people and every petty warlord in the world would only have to scream “nationalism” to be catapulted to power. The whack-a-mole game that is currently being played in the Middle-East could expand throughout the world as international financial and political special interest groups seek to expand their power by placing their people in power in every region of the world.
In short, the one world government that emerges will have to be absolutely ruthless to be effective and therefore will not be benign. Also, it will probably be Chinese.

David R

David Archibald,
If I’m not mistaken, you predicted in 2008 that solar cycle 24 (the present cycle) would herald the onset of mid-latitude cooling to the tune of -2.2C over the course of the cycle.
Solar cycle 24 is now 6 years old and seems to have already passed its peak. As far as I can see, the past 6 years are the warmest on record globally according to all the surface data sets; though I haven’t broken it down by latitude.
Is it safe to say that your 2008 prediction is now officially wrong?

Don’t you mean the adjusted (homogenized) surface data sets. Satellite data says otherwise if you’d care to look. There has been no warming for more than 18 years, plus. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/02/on-the-difference-between-lord-moncktons-18-years-for-rss-and-dr-mckitricks-26-years-now-includes-october-data/

asybot

@ David R,
“Solar cycle 24 is now 6 years old and seems to have already passed its peak. As far as I can see, the past 6 years are the warmest on record globally according to all the surface data sets; though I haven’t broken it down by latitude”.
You are not looking very far because even the UN admits there is a “pause”..
As Tom Harley and loads of other people ( those opinions and scientific facts are on the rest of the site or on the net) have shown that your observation is wrong, Mr. Hardly and others are using temperature readings from as many locations from both land And ocean based and coupled with satellite readings that are very recent and far more accurate.
And as usual statements like yours and other warmists always include the words “seems” , “probable”, likely, “potentially etc ,
As in “The solar cycle “seems” to have past it’s peak” It is an ~11-12 year process , that is why it is called a cycle. And the Sun after the next minimum (~ 5-6 years) will start getting active again.

higley7

Virtually all of the “warming” derives from data that has been altered, completely dishonestly, upward and from the infilling of large areas for which there is no data with nearby data which, oddly, always makes these dateless areas warmer than the nearby data. In this way, the data-fraud perpetrators can warm the planet, entirely on paper. The entire Arctic region is infilled with data from just a few sites and the region shows ridiculous warming as a result.

masInt branch 4 C3I in is

Bloody insane!
1750 ! LOL The current Federal Republic of Germany Re-unified dates from 1990, the previous Federal Republic dates from 1949, the previous Unified Weimar Republic dates from 1871 and the German Confederation dates from 1815.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany
So, the current Germany, and parts of France get a pass! What kind of phony baloney History of World Part II Revisionist Dogma is this: Ha Ha 😉 Leave it to the UN when you need a laugh.

masInt branch 4 C3I in is

Well, good.
1750?
The US was a British Empire colony then, as was India if I recall, Brazil was not independent, nor the Spanish South American colonies (and those few to the Far East)….
Seems like England (but not the UK!), Portugal, China, and Spain are going to have to pay for everything to everybody!

Malcolm Latarche

Not sure what counts as emitting. Oil and coal are often exported by countries with little industry to countries with large industrial consumption. Australia, South Africa and countries in the mid-east produce a lot of fossil fuels but export most of it. Does the ‘guilt’ lie with the people who used the fuel or the ones that dug it out of the ground and sold it?
What about the ships and aircraft that burn fuel? Panama, Liberia and the Marshall Islands account for most of the fuel burnt in ships even though the ships under their flags aren’t beneficially owned by companies resident there.
What about forests cleared for farming etc.
Where there records of consumption of coal, oil etc dating back to 1750? Will they be adjusted up or down in the same way as temperature records were?

In 1812 the British garrison at Halifax Canada (then a British colony) marched on Washington and partly burned down the White House. So does the emitted CO2 belong to the US, Canada, or Britain?
Don’t worry folks, the seeds of failure are written into the document. Until there are ACTUAL negative climate effects occurring (fat chance in our life times) countries will pursue the exact same strategy they did with Kyoto. Ratify and Renege. The more idiocy like a 1750 start date there is in the document, the more wiggle room democracies will have to explain to their electorates why it isn’t fair to them and so they have to renege. As for non democracies, the only ones that will sign will be the ones that think they will get money from someone else if they do. So, nothing.

Put it on Napoleon’s d*&med account!

asybot

I will say it again. That date is set to circumvent the Constitution of the USA.

Robert Ballard

More meaningless associated risk assessment and econometrics that a grade school student would question. The associated costs will never be estimated or directly assigned.
In other “news”: OMG! Everyone in NYC and Miami are going to drown! 😉

CD 153

dbstealey says:
“Countries should be rewarded for increasing their CO2 emissions….”
Exactly. What the U.N. and the climate alarmist dim bulbs like Ms. Figueres are forgetting is that current CO2 levels in the atmosphere contribute to global agricultural yields in a world where there is still too much hunger going on. So how much does the current CO2 level in the atmosphere contribute to the annual global agricultural yields….10%, 15%? What is the market value of that added yield each year? How does the value of that extra yield compare to how much the rich nations are supposed to fork over because of climate change? Added up going many years back?
Seems to me that the value of that added agricultural yield needs to be taken into consideration here before Ms. Figueres starts looking for excuses to bash the wealthy developed countries and their CO2 emissions. I realize it may be hard if not impossible to assign a specific percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere to any one major emitter of CO2. Rough guesstimates however would do just fine with me. It can’t any worse that the bash-the wealthy-countries game plan that Ms. Figueres and her ilk are brewing up to force the rich nations to fork over the cash to the poorer ones.
Isn’t the U.S. already one of the world’s biggest providers of foreign aid anyway?

Jaakko Kateenkorva

Since the start of 2015 predominantly right-wing governed EU Institutions will not commit a political suicide. If they’re done something already, they’ve squeezed the FCCC budget. It would not be surprising if Australia, Canada and Japan had taken a similar stance.
The FCCC reaction points towards that direction. At least the 1750 stretch reeks this sort of desperation in my opinion. Unfortunately for Figueres, the emerging economies will not finance FCCC or other UN programmes. If Ki-moon must choose whether to retire Figueres, Pachauri et al or to become Seán Lester of the United Nations himself, the choice won’t take long.

Since 1750 there have been 12 wars and 1 major, cold-induced famine in Finland. Just try to image in the CO2 emissions concerned.

F. Ross

Time to get US out of the UN.

asybot

The UN out of the US so built something on a nice tropical island somewhere and you’ll never hear from them again.

We have met the enemy and he is UN

Mark and two Cats on February 18, 2015 at 4:07 pm
We have met the enemy and he is UN

Mark and two Cats,
I suggest a possible corollary:
We have met the current UN and they have the same old tired Marxist socialist rhetoric which no one in the old failed Soviet Union actually believed.
John

Trying to pogo off my comment, eh? 😉

. . . rats . . . I’ve been exposed . . . .
: )
John