Some first impressions from #AGU14

Mann, Cook, Nuccitelli get put off-site for their presentations

I spent Monday looking around at the sights on the opening day of AGU 2014. Before I get to that I want to give some thanks to some people. First of all I want to give thanks to my readers for their gracious assistance in getting me here via help with expenses, secondly I’d like to thank Joan Buhrman and Peter Weiss of AGU for their assistance in getting me set up with media passes and hearing assistance. They have been quite gracious.

wpid-img_20141215_160351.jpgThat said, here are some of my first impressions of the conference. Number one it’s very large; thousands of people milling about going to different sessions and breakouts and halls it can be quite overwhelming just simply getting from point A to point B due to the volume of people. Along way I did spot some things of interest and I’ve taken some photographs which I’ll share below.

One thing that did strike me as different this year was this seems to be less emphasis on climate alarmism than their wares in years past. I’ve noted there’s less advertising for things like this session last year….

IMG_20131209_131354[1]….in fact it seems to have been muted a bit….no mention of “attacks”:

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….and there doesn’t seem to be any special session with the usual suspects on being “attacked” like last year:

Legal_attack_panel

Perhaps my report on it last year had something to do with it, once people saw how ridiculous and egomaniacal the entire session was. But then again, there was this item from Dr. Mann this year: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/14/hilarious-irony-michael-mann-to-give-lecture-on-professional-ethics-for-climate-scientists/  so I’m not completely convinced that AGU has dialed back, but there are encouraging signs.

For example, the whole John Cook/Dana Nuccitell Skeptical science social media attack dog universe seems to have been moved off-site to the Marriot Marquis hotel rather than be in the main buildings at Moscone Center:

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The same thing seems to have happened to Chris Mooney, who is also presenting off-site…Mooney_AGU_2014

Even Michael Mann has been relegated to the back forty:

Mann_AGU_2014

So, there is encouraging signs that maybe the rhetoric is being put on the back shelf a bit, we shall see. I haven’t decided if I’ll even bother to go to any of these, as there’s nothing new. Maybe I’ll just show up to get a head count.

One other thing that struck me as different this year was the fact that the poster sessions seemed to have doubled in size over AGU 2013. There are now two halls, Moscone West, and Moscone main that have poster sessions. They were quite popular and well attended yesterday.

Though…it might have been due to the free beer provided by AGU:

wpid-img_20141215_162310.jpgImagine the wailing if Heartland provided free alcohol at their ICCC conferences at sessions.

I looked at a number of posters yesterday many of which were dealing with carbon in the Arctic something that seemed is been missing last year released not as prominent. This year there were at least a half-dozen of not more posters just on Monday alone dealing with carbon soot in the Arctic one of the posters struck me as being quite profound because of the mapping of carbon deposition in southern Greenland as you can see in this photo below.

wpid-img_20141215_162434.jpgA close up showing the deposition pattern:

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What was most interesting was that the author of this poster had no idea about the actual carbon set being seen at collecting in meltwater ponds on the surface of the Greenland ice sheet. I showed her this photo from one of my earlier blog posts, and she and another person standing there were just flabbergasted.

Of course images like this one at left showing water tumbling down a huge moulin are being held up with gloom and doom scenarios that say Greenland’s Ice is melting “faster than expected” and we’ll get six feet of sea level rise from it along with a 10-15°F temperature rise by the year 2100.

Perhaps. But, moulins have existed since Greenland had ice, they are just part of the natural landscape and processes. They aren’t “new” to our time.

One of the photos we don’t often get to see was also circulated in the email, by somebody who lives in Greenland and knows what this is really all about.

It’s a real eye opener:

Image from National Geographic online slide show – Photo: James Balog – click for more

I saw quite a bit of good science being presented at this conference I was especially impressed with this poster that had a caveat at the end, seen in the closeup.

wpid-img_20141215_161345.jpg wpid-img_20141215_161350.jpg“correlation does not equal causation” Hmmm, where have we heard that before?

I’ll have more reports later tonight or tomorrow from what I learn today.

 

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Bloke down the pub
December 16, 2014 9:19 am

Glad to see you’re having fun. Don’t overdo the free beer, though I know you can handle it ok.

Duster
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
December 16, 2014 10:08 am

You should consider that geologist are one of the few academic professions that still uphold the original meaning of “symposium” which was “to drink together.” Back in the ’70s, before the rising tide of neo-Puritanism, I attended more than one quiet geology symposium where the department provided the beer.

rocdoctom
Reply to  Duster
December 16, 2014 10:21 am

An old truism…never trust a geologist who doesn’t drink beer.

timg56
Reply to  Duster
December 16, 2014 12:41 pm

Should I decide to go back to school to get a 4th degree, I think geology may be the ticket.

ConTrari
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
December 16, 2014 3:47 pm

“Two beers or not two beers, that’s no question.” -Hamlet

Michael 2
December 16, 2014 9:23 am

I anxiously await news (and entertainment) from the conference. Thank you for this report.

Jay Hope
Reply to  Michael 2
December 17, 2014 12:59 am

Thanks for this very interesting report!

Janice Moore
December 16, 2014 9:26 am

Thanks for the informative report, An-thony.
Glad all is going well for you.
Re: LARGER POSTERS — When con-artists’ B.S. isn’t having the desired effect…. they tend to

SAY IT LOUDER!


AGW is SO over!
lolololololol
Praying for you and cheering our hero on,
Janice
Go, Anth-ony!
#(:))

Kurt in Switzerland
December 16, 2014 9:39 am

Anything on Mann-made ethics?

UK Marcus
December 16, 2014 9:41 am

Thanks Anthony, Great report from the coal-face, or should that be soot-face… Keep up the good work. Here in the UK we are as interested in what you observe as everyone else.

njsnowfan
December 16, 2014 9:47 am

Good stuff Anthony.
Anthony any info on Volcanic BC or the current on going eruption in Iceland? The eruption in Iceland is spewing S02 at the daily rate of 40,000 to 60,000 tons a day and it equals to about 1,300 coal fired power plants running a Day, China has about 690. About 6,000,000 tons of S02 have been released so far.That does not include C02 or other gasses.

Kurt in Switzerland
December 16, 2014 9:47 am

I vote for free beer at the next EIKE Climate Conference in Europe.
Who cares if the Warmists wail?

LeeHarvey
December 16, 2014 9:49 am

First: I note the ‘Invited’ note in the header for Mann’s presentation. Does this mean that admittance is by invitation only? Or does it mean that Dr. Mann is an invited speaker?
Second: Do they even realize just how much carbon dioxide is in a keg of beer? The humanity!!!

Reply to  LeeHarvey
December 16, 2014 9:53 am

“Second” – quite! I have been wondering for a while when the Climate Crazies will come for our beer and tonic water. No Gin and Tonic – well, that’s a call to arms!

Travis Casey
Reply to  jeremyp99
December 16, 2014 10:49 am

Beer and sodas! Every location with a fountain drink machine must have a, gasp!, CO2 cylinder.

Reply to  jeremyp99
December 17, 2014 6:58 am

Actually, that sounds like a good sequestration method!

Latitude
December 16, 2014 10:11 am

and we’ll get six feet of sea level rise from it along with a 10-15°F temperature rise by the year 2100……
guess that old thermometer better get to moving then

rocketplumber
December 16, 2014 10:39 am

Anthony, if you’re interested in solar physics observations, check out the XCOR booth at #2723. We’re promoting the unique capabilities that the Lynx suborbital spacecraft will have. (I’m in Mojave working on details, not part of the marketing crew).
http://www.xcor.com/press/2014/14-12-11_XCOR_presents_new_platforms_for_suborbital_science_at_AGU.html
Also, congratulations on your new hearing aids! When I got mine three+ years ago they changed my life for the better, so I know a bit of how you feel.

trafamadore
December 16, 2014 10:45 am

Im a little surprised there is not a photo ban in the poster rooms. Esp stuff going on blog. I hope you asked the author’s permission.
And how could anyone survive the poster session without beer & wine…

See - owe to Rich
December 16, 2014 10:55 am

It’s nice to see the good ole Mediaeval Warm Period and Little Ice Age being mentioned, since various climate academics had been trying to get rid of them and show a nice stable climate until a hockey stick in the late 20th century.
Rich.

James Bull
December 16, 2014 11:01 am

Thank you for the report Anthony, it was a pleasure to help in a small way to get you there.
Hope you have a good time, and if you bump into Micky you could save on postage for his calender.
James Bull

bonanzapilot
December 16, 2014 11:21 am

How much of the facility are they using? More or less than last year?

bonanzapilot
Reply to  bonanzapilot
December 16, 2014 11:31 am

Having attended various conferences at Moscone over the years, it doesn’t look very full to me. Reminiscent of the Pacific Coast Builder’s Conference in 95 I think it was. Business had gone in half and they partitioned off more than half of the main hall to make it look full.

bonanzapilot
Reply to  bonanzapilot
December 16, 2014 4:44 pm

Also, an underground tunnel with conference rooms along the side runs from Moscone to the Mariott. I’ve always been unsure of where Moscone stops and the Marriott starts. Interesting that they were moved though..

Editor
December 16, 2014 11:28 am

free beer provided by AGU
Of course there’s beer, there are geologists there.
http://www.wired.com/2009/12/15943/ (note – 2009) says in small part:

The talks, workshops and poster sessions go from 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m., but at 3:30 p.m. every day, for five days, kegs of beer are rolled out into the meeting. The beer flows nonstop for an hour and a half at around 10 different stations, and AGU organizers tell me they go through about 175 kegs during the week.
“Every other convention assumes that if you have a beer, your brain goes soft,” said Kathy Sullivan, who has been serving beer at the AGU meeting for 26 years. “But not the geophysicists. They think if you have a beer, you can still learn things. So they do.”
At the Thirsty Bear, the closest brewpub to the Moscone Convention Center where the annual meeting is held every December, the waitstaff claims this is the busiest week of the year for them. I heard from the Borehole Research Group at the Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory that one server at the Thirsty Bear said the staff can’t take vacation days during the AGU meeting “because the geologists are coming.”

Paul Baer
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 16, 2014 4:27 pm

Beer is served outside the rooms that have oral sessions as well as in the poster halls, so that doesn’t account for the larger number of posters.

bonanzapilot
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 16, 2014 5:17 pm

Geologists are always fun to hang with…

December 16, 2014 11:59 am

I miss not being there this year like I was in the past years. May next year.
John

PaulH
December 16, 2014 12:46 pm

Free beer? Just think of all that all that beer-based CO2 being released into the atmosphere! The horror!
/snark

MCourtney
December 16, 2014 1:23 pm

“correlation does not equal causation” Hmmm, where have we heard that before?

First physics lessons when we were 11 years old, maybe?
Anyhow, I’m intrigued by the AGW team being hived off to a separate building. That seems like an interesting choice by the AGU.
Perhaps they are expecting you to go over there too and thus keep the most watched climate site on the net out of their jollytime?

Reply to  MCourtney
December 16, 2014 7:05 pm

Yeah these posters look like stuff from a middle school science fair to me, at least as far as the visual presentations are concerned.

michael hart
Reply to  Tom Trevor
December 17, 2014 7:22 am

Perhaps that’s why the BBC sends their “science” correspondents.
Imagine all the different possible scientific conferences that they could report on. A few others they do, but they make sure they get the global warming stories in. Especially the important ones such as this, showing that it is now caused by Arctic ground-squirrels: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30456869

MCourtney
December 16, 2014 1:27 pm

Breaking News. Big Science is happening on another planet.
Is there life on Mars?
There probably has been.
Methane found by Curiosity Rover.
Guardian report here but everyone will have this.

Gunga Din
Reply to  MCourtney
December 16, 2014 1:41 pm

Has it found the beans yet? 😎

DirkH
Reply to  MCourtney
December 16, 2014 1:52 pm

Obviously a remnant of algae falling into anaerobic zones in the shallow lakes that covered all of Mars.

MCourtney
Reply to  DirkH
December 16, 2014 2:23 pm

My bet is that it came from Earth bugs on the drilling mechanism.
Little did Mars-kind know that in the latter part of the 20th Century they were being watched by intelligences far stupider than their own.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  MCourtney
December 16, 2014 11:58 pm

I think the ‘burst’ nature or the methane release validates the detection made in the ’70’s that was so strongly challenged because it was not repeated.
If the deep crust was at one time hot and active like Earth’s manufacturing natural gas from minerals and water, then it could still be escaping into the atmosphere. It doesn’t (yet) indicate life. But I expect life forms to be found anyway.

Reply to  MCourtney
December 17, 2014 6:14 am

If I were there, I’d have a ~really~ hard time not attending the Curiosity panels.

H.R.
December 16, 2014 1:43 pm

To paraphrase; there ain’t no such thing as a free beer.

Pedro, the CPA Guy
December 16, 2014 2:37 pm

Enjoyed the update ,,, keep it up … and balanced.

Jake J
December 16, 2014 3:51 pm

Oh, please go to Mann’s presentation and file a report. It might be old hat to you, but I guarantee you that at least three readers of your blog (me, myself, and I) are interested in what that buffoon spews out this time.

Jake J
December 16, 2014 3:54 pm

Considering the outrageousness of what comes out of the Church of Climatology, I marvel at the relative level-headedness of what I read on this site. True, there’s some fire-breathing wingnuttery here, but a whole lot less than I expected when I became a regular here last spring.

BruceC
December 16, 2014 4:01 pm

from Ice Age Now;
Lima Climate Talks the Ultimate in Hypocrisy.
“They used large DIESEL GENERATORS to power the conference because HYDRO-ELECTRITY in the area was INADEQUATE and could not cope with the huge demand,”
7,000kW of electricity was supplied to the conference via diesel generators and 630Kw from the grid.

http://iceagenow.info/2014/12/lima-climate-talks-ultimate-hypocrisy/

December 16, 2014 4:41 pm

The beer ain’t free, most of us pay for it in the conference fee, the press. . .

Pat Frank
December 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Has anyone published an elemental analysis of those dark streaks in the Greenland ice, or of that dark sediment at the bottom of the ice-lake? Do they know for a fact that it’s all elemental carbon, or industrial carbon soots?
Could some of it be aeolian dust from the Sahara? Or the Gobi?

Reply to  Pat Frank
December 16, 2014 10:13 pm

My guess is that it’s from some volcano near by?

Espen
Reply to  Santa Baby
December 17, 2014 12:31 am

Most of the recent soot is from huge Canadian forest fires (http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/16/jason_box_s_research_into_greenland_s_dark_snow_raises_more_concerns_about.html), but some of the dark stuff is not soot, but algae.

KenW
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 17, 2014 1:00 am

Pat,
That is a darn good question! I hope somebody looks into it.
Also, Anthony,
If I understand the black carbon poster, it is model output showing much REDUCED bc reaching Greenland since the industrial revolution? Is my interpretation correct? If so, does that agree with ice core data?
Thanks for the good work,
Ken

bonanzapilot
December 16, 2014 5:06 pm

When I lived in Lima, 1971 thru 1975, we too had our own generator. A big problem in the third world, although I don’t know if Lima still suffers it, is “Pegados”; literally “stuck on’s.”
They connect to the grid via two rebar hooks placed over the transmission lines with a pole – wood poles are recommended. The hooks are connected to a light bulb and TV inside your dirt-floor shack. Obviosly unmetered use with no feedback to regulate balance demand with supply causes market distortions and unstable current to everyone.
I often wonder how now power could be saved just by solving this problem.

bonanzapilot
Reply to  bonanzapilot
December 16, 2014 5:11 pm

Corrections: “no feedback to balance”; “wonder how much power”.

trafamadore
Reply to  bonanzapilot
December 16, 2014 7:00 pm

“Obviosly unmetered use with no feedback to regulate balance demand with supply causes market distortions and unstable current to everyone.”
Metered use does not feedback anything to regulate supply. It just meters.
“I often wonder how now power could be saved just by solving this problem.”
Actually, more power could be saved in the households that have meters, I suspect. Not only that, but think of the capital savings to the power company: they don’t need to buy meters.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  bonanzapilot
December 17, 2014 1:26 pm

I’ve seen that in the US… back in the 50’s when I watched a couple of men lift a wired hook on a wooden pole over the power line, with a rod attached to the other end, which they stuck into the ground and the fishin’ worms did come dancin’ right up out of the ground and the wet- shoed little boy who was collecting them did some tingly dancing, too while the men laughed and said, “it won’t hurt you, just get ’em quick.”

F. Ross
December 16, 2014 5:25 pm


Though…it might have been due to the free beer provided by AGU:
Imagine the wailing if Heartland provided free alcohol at their ICCC conferences at sessions.

Especially since the brewing of beer releases the – gasp – DREADED CO2 into the atmosphere!

mrmethane
Reply to  F. Ross
December 16, 2014 5:41 pm

AND (in the day) I would release some methane, too. I can still do that, but not from beer.

bonanzapilot
Reply to  mrmethane
December 16, 2014 5:43 pm

Remember, always bring a BIC lighter to burn off the excess!

bonanzapilot
Reply to  F. Ross
December 16, 2014 5:41 pm

Yes, but what percentage of that CO2 is first passed through the body, providing endless hours of belching, farting, and laughing about it; activities priceless when it comes to quality-of-life for those of us who still don’t know what we want to be when we grow up..

Janice Moore
December 16, 2014 5:55 pm

@ Socrates —
1. Funny. You assert your opinion with a high level of confidence in your own intellectual ability, and yet… cannot even see the obvious: that exposing an egomaniac does not require that one be one. One merely has to report what the egomaniac said or did.
2. You also reveal a surprising ignorance of the definition of “attack dog.” Here’s a clue: attack dogs are not big on substance and attack the person, not the issue… sort of like you just did…..
An-thony’s site is all about substance and issues …. and freedom of speech. While we commenters are free to speak our mind strongly about just about anyone or anything, An-thony restricts his exposes to proven l1ars such as Micky {LOVED that, James Bull — much more finely tuned connotation than the more typically American “Mikey”} Mann.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2014 6:00 pm

@ Socrates — … and you also reveal your ignorance of English… . Or, perhaps, in your haste to castigate An-thony, you missed the word, “perhaps.”

December 16, 2014 6:18 pm

‘Socrates’ says:
Funny how you don’t seem to be aware of your own egotism nicely displayed…
No one I know is a more humble person than Anthony Watts. So that comment fits right in with all Socrates’ other comments: he simply doesn’ know what he’s talking about.

rw
Reply to  dbstealey
December 18, 2014 1:30 pm

I think this is called grasping at straws.

December 16, 2014 7:27 pm

Glad to be of small help, keep us informed.
If you get the urge please attend the more rabid presentations, as your mere presence seems to provoke madness amongst the afflicted ones.
Which produces ever more entertaining and occasionally informative outbursts on their part.

asybot
December 16, 2014 8:56 pm

Anthony, can you let us know how many sheep went to graze on the “back forty” . please?

LewSkannen
December 16, 2014 10:25 pm

Wow. It is almost as if people are coming back to their senses after a wild binge.

jimmi_the_dalek
December 16, 2014 11:45 pm

A couple of newspaper articles for your amusement.
Firstly,
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30456869
it seems that ground squirrels are the villains in their contribution to global warming.
Secondly, any overweight readers can claim that they are helping through carbon sequestration, and avoid losing weight because that releases CO2
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/12/17/4149911.htm

somersetsteve
Reply to  jimmi_the_dalek
December 17, 2014 2:03 am

Do they have ground squirrels on Mars?

KennyDoug
December 17, 2014 12:52 am

Interesting that Mann mentions the famous Stephen Schneider quote. Eloquent indeed.

Alan the Brit
December 17, 2014 3:38 am

Enjoy the conference, Anthony.
As to methane on Mars, have those pesky oil & gas companies been fracking up there already? 😉

Alx
December 17, 2014 6:09 am

“correlation does not equal causation” Hmmm, I am not so sure.
Over the last few decades, mapping my rate of weight gain to rate of global temperature increase, it certainly looks like I am influencing the climate by eating too much and not exercising enough.
This is a global matter that must be addressed. I recommend everyone eat well and exercise or a burdensome tax be placed upon them.
But wait, causation is tricky. If it is the rising temperature itself that is causing my weight gain, then I am a victim and should receive a federal subsidy, paid for of course by those fortunate enough to be immune from climate influence and able to eat well and exercise.
I am certain authorities will find the correct answer to this vexing causation issue.

carbon bigfoot
December 17, 2014 6:38 am

Any time I’m feeling depressed about this EPA and THIS Administration, all I have to do is to click on WUWT. BIG ANTHONY & HIS SCIENTISTS make be smile with their comments. :-))

Mike Bromley the Kurd
December 17, 2014 8:07 am

I think I can speak for any number of contributors who helped: Would do it again without hesitation!

Dudley Horscroft
December 17, 2014 7:35 pm

I like the comments by Mr Golden in the BBC Science Report mentioned by Michael Hart (17:0722)
“The team found that this activity meant that their burrows were warmer than the surrounding ground.
Mr Golden said: “We saw an increase in soil temperature in the soils where the arctic ground squirrels were occupying.”
This is what is known as the “Urban Heat Island Effect”.

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