Letter to the Editor Watts Up With That?
31st October 2014
For decades green extremists have been spreading doomsday forecasts of global warming.
But where do we find the greatest abundance of life on land? Follow the equator around the globe – the Amazon, the Congo, Kenya, Indonesia and New Guinea – all places where it is warm and wet.
And where is life such a struggle that few species live there? Go towards the poles – Siberia and the cold deserts of Antarctica and Greenland.
Where do most tourists go in winter? Few go to Alaska or Iceland – most head towards the warmth of the Mediterranean, the Caribbean, the Black Sea and Bali.
Which season is most welcomed? It is not the first frost, nor the first snowstorm, but the first cherry blossoms, the first robins, and the welcome green shoots of new spring pasture.
Land life multiplies in summer – many mammals hibernate or die in winter.
Every nurseryman knows that plants grow best in a warm greenhouse with added carbon dioxide. Global warmth speeds up the life-supporting water and carbon cycles – warming oceans expel the gases of life (carbon dioxide and water vapour) producing more clouds, more precipitation and more plant growth.
This is why the warm eras of the past are remembered as periods of plenty – the cold eras are times of hunger, migrations and war.
Life on Earth has never been threatened by greenhouse warming. It is the sudden plunge into an ice age that we need to fear.
Green alarmists should venture from their cosy offices and coffee shops and celebrate the welcome warmth of our global greenhouse while it lasts.
Warmth is good.
Viv Forbes,
Rosewood Qld Australia
For those who would like to read more:
Warmer temperatures do more good than harm:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9057151/carry-on-warming/
The extreme idiocy of the IPCC position is that all warming is bad, ergo, all cooling is good.. How incredibly preposterous it is that supposed intelligent people could ever hold such a view, It defies all human logic and reason
IPCC acts as the Popes and Christian Priest did during Medival Age….. They know best 🙂 Regardless of that – Humans cause everything and the Sun and Universe circles around US Humans …..
Which goes to show that Human nautre is not:”evolved, smart, or intelligent.”
things are definitely Medieval out there….
“It defies all human logic and reason”
Yet it’s entrenched main stream. How? better yet, Why?
Here is a version of Why.
The IPCC is a creation of the UN General Assembly. The Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC) is the largest voting block in the UN General Assembly. The leading countries of OPEC (Saudi Arabia, IRAN, Iraq, Kuwait) play a leading role in OIC. My theory is that the IPCC has demonized CO2 to promote the interests of OPEC. Clearly OPEC would be willing to contribute a few billion a year to the Green cause to protect its trillion dollar a year income.
In the US, the Greens have converted the “war on CO2” into a “war on coal” and support for wind and solar, two impractical and expensive energy sources. Wind and solar are just a front for natural gas that is required to balance their intermittency. If Greens were seriously opposed to CO2, they would support nuclear to replace coal. While there is currently some dissension in the ranks, the main Green organizations still fanatically oppose nuclear.
The real threat to OPEC is that the natural gas bonanza from fracking will be converted to methanol for use as a substitute for oil. EPA (controlled by the Green lobby) regulations prevent the use of methanol as a substitute for oil and are in the process of banning the use of coal thereby potentially doubling the demand for natural gas without reducing the demand for oil. In case that is not sufficient to suck up the excess natural gas, the Obama administration has issued permits for Liquified Natural Gas export terminals equal to the increase in natural gas production from fracking. As soon as US natural gas is exported, US natural gas prices will rise from about $5 per MMBtu to about $12-16 per MMBtu. By converting electricity production to natural gas and raising the price of natural gas to the world price that is linked to the price of oil, the competition from electricity in the transportation sector will also be diminished.
When natural gas has displaced coal for electricity production and exports raise the price of natural gas to the global price, the Green policy agenda will be complete. Both transportation (oil) and electricity (natural gas) prices will be high and energy demand reduced/energy poverty increased.
Obama energy policy promotes high energy prices consistent with the objectives of OPEC. It opposes nuclear and coal (low cost baseline electricity), opposes domestic production of oil and natural gas (offshore, ANWR, Keystone pipeline, fracking coming soon), promotes natural gas (Renewable Portfolio Standards) for electricity, and preserves the oil monopoly for the transportation sector.
A low cost, environmentally friendly energy policy uses nuclear to replace coal, uses electricity to replace natural gas, and uses natural gas converted to methanol to compete with oil in the transportation sector. Eventually, nuclear can produce hydrogen from water, the hydrogen can be combined with CO2 from the air to produce methanol, and the methanol can fuel the transportation sector. If a fuel cell is used then the output is water and CO2 forming a closed cycle: uranium, water and CO2 in, water and CO2 out.
Since this is a low cost solution, market forces freed from regulation will cause it to happen over time.
This is my theory of why the IPCC demonizes CO2 and promotes the absurd idea that warm is bad and cold is good.
This is more a reply to Stephen DuVal and Paul. WHY would OPEC be concerned with natural gas and fracking? Better still, why would you waste time and energy converting natural gas to ethanol rather than burning it directly? As for OPEC and its billions, why would they be concerned with the production of natural gas when they had the money to buy the companies that were doing it? American companies are not shy of selling to the highest bidder, whether it is good for the country and citizens or not. No, this has nothing to do with OPEC.
I’ve said it many times in the past, this has nothing to do with anything other than population reduction. The elite have found another venue to use to attempt to convince us to kill ourselves off. It is obvious that an ice age is coming. the period for it to happen is upon us. Why would they want to share THEIR shrinking world with billions of starving people that might kill to survive? It is better to weaken them with cold and starvation and then kill them with disease. The process is simple, the costs are minimal, and expected results will be ‘on target.”
THAT is WHY the global warming mantra is stuck in mainstream media – which is wholly owned by the elite and produces whatever the elite wish produced, which is the answer to “how” as well. It does NOT defy the logic of the elite to reduce the population to a level that can be supported by the shrinking world, and won’t crowd them out.
Also, when you think about it, the approaching ice age will be most destructive of the northern hemisphere, where the “colonial nations” and “industrial nations” have long dominated the world. What will remain is the land of those “third world’ nations that have long had their resources raped by “the northern nations” and not used to help them, so it is easy to understand that “why” with the General Assembly creating IPCC. As they like to say “payback is a beech” or something like that.
Tom O syas:
…the global warming mantra is stuck in mainstream media – which is wholly owned by the elite and produces whatever the elite wish produced…
People should remember that. The elite are not us. They have a different agenda and different interests. They try to indoctrinate people to serve their masters.
The elite [Soros et al] are not our friends, and the mainstream media is their tool. It is a very effective tool. The only defense is to think for yourself. The best starting point is to automatically reject the media’s narrative. It is not there for your benefit.
@dbstealey
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“The elite [Soros et al] are not our friends”
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You are correct. Charles Koch, David Koch, Greg Gianforte, Harold Simmons, : Bob Perry, Jim Davis, Richard Marriot, Bill Marriott Jr., Frank VanderSloot, Steven Lund, Julian Robertson Jr., John Paulson, Paul Singer, Robert Mercer, Kenneth Griffin, : L. Francis Rooney III, Steven Webster, and Sheldon Gary Adelson are not our friends either.
juan,
I see a BIG difference between the Koch Bros [I don’t know many of the others you listed] and the numerous billionaires populating the Left. People like Soros, Mark Cuban, and many others like them are the ones who do what they can to control the public’s perception. Like the Rockefellers, they have the means to buy media influence.
And as we see, they are quite successful. Just look at those they demonize, such as the Koch’s, who are simply Libertarian businessmen. They do not buy newspapers, and the UN, and other media in order to promote their views like the Soros’s of the world, who are invariably promoting world government, and a drastically reduced population, and world socialism/communism [same-same, really].
If billionaires just enjoyed their money, there would be no problem. But when someone hits the billionaire lottery, they seem to gravitate toward meddling in the lives of us common folks. They should just butt out. But since they won’t, we have to push back.
@dbstealey
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There is no difference between Soros and the Koch’s
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I suggest you investigate some of the fellows I mentioned and learn some politics before you talk about the “elite”
dbstealy – ummm
there is some brothers have the (I think centre-of-right) Daily Telegraph in London
Koch – sum-such – Barclay, or similar.
H/t to Private Eye.
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Auto,
You know more about the players than I do. Do they buy newspapers and other media? What is their message? Overpopulation? World gov’t? Conservation?
You know, ‘right of center’ in the mainstream media here means traditional values. Which should be right in the center. Libertarians come close.
juan says:
There is no difference between Soros and the Koch’s
That’s crazy.
@dbstealey
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“That’s crazy.”
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Hardly, both the Koch’s and Soros are members of the “elite”
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You too can be a member of the “elite” …but you need upwards of a billion dollars to join their club.
juan says:
…both the Koch’s and Soros are members of the “elite”
Both are members of the human race, too. But we were not discussing either of those things.
The Kochs’ are libertarian, free market businessmen, while Soros is a ‘world government’ statist.
Who would you rather have running things?
It not only defies logic and reason it also defies history. The Medieval Warm Period was a time of prosperity and lack of want. The following Little Ice Age was a period of hardship and famine. But who cares about history?
To jaun: I would also add Buffet, Ted Turner, Gore, Steyer, Kerry, Gates, the Rockerfellers… and even people like Suzuki, Orestes and Klein.
@Tom O
The major policy decision facing the US is whether to use the natural gas bonanza from fracking to replace coal and save the planet from the dreaded CO2 or whether to use the excess natural gas to produce methanol for the transportation market and to cap the price of oil at $50-70 per barrel.
OPEC is very concerned about the excess natural gas in the US because they are trying to sell $5 per barrel oil for $100 per barrel, a small change in the demand for oil causes a large change in the price of oil, natural gas supplies almost as much energy to the global market as oil, and natural gas can be cheaply converted to methanol which is an excellent fuel for internal combustion engines.
If natural gas at its current US price was converted to methanol for use as a transportation fuel, it would cap the price of oil in the $50-70 per barrel range. In 2008, dropping global oil demand from 85 million barrels per day to 80 million barrels per day reduced the price from $150 per barrel to $40 per barrel in a period of 6 months. OPEC cut production by 5 mbpd and the price went back to $100 per barrel over a period of 1 year.
Ethanol can not have the same effect as methanol because it can not be produced in the same quantities as methanol and it is more expensive than methanol. Methanol can substitute for gasoline without any government subsidies.
Well here in AUS Soros funds Greenleft activists GetUp, a supposedly “independent” group that just happens to run Green candidates for parliament. Yet we happily tolerate this while being told to demonise Koch, who 99% of Australians have never encountered.
All read to the cheery strains of Marche Slave – good grief!
This from she who is best not mentioned explains quite a lot I think. Fear of heat and failure to understand basic physics or car air con. for that matter.
‘The angry summers are getting angrier.’ Give me strength!
http://theintelligentreview.com/climate-change-is-personal-by-miriam-obrien/
She ‘barely survived a half-hour drive’……… did she even TRY to open a window? I’m reminded of the commercial (movie?) where the guy is sitting in the car crying, because he locked the doors with the keys inside….
Awwww, petey, you lost your just-born sense of humor! And apparently, also don’t know about opening windows to get a breeze in.
Let me bring you up to speed Peter.
1) Outside thermometers mounted on cars should be taken with a grain of salt. Why?
Usually (mostly) they are mounted at the front of the vehicle within centimetres of the A/C condenser and/or radiator. They are usually mounted only ~30cm from the surface of the road. Even if you are travelling at 100km/h+, they will register easily +3C above abundant temperatures.
2) She is NOT a scientist. She has a Master of Business Administration and a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours). She also has an interest in climate science (her own words).
This article is from a scientist? It’s hot, my air conditioner broke, my Mom is 89 years old, I don’t have the brains to get the air conditioner fixed because I am busy, which means in a hundred years we are all going to be boiled to death like lobsters.
Thank you very much for that scientific insight. Next up, commentary on how to avoid shade on hot, sunny days.
On a serious note, the 2009 heat spell was extreme and for older people or people living at the margins was life threatening. For these groups getting the flu is life threatening, they are a vunerable group in many regards, which makes exploiting those seriously affected by extreme weather or any natural disaster for the AGW cause is beyond shameful.
The inherent dishonesty of this statement is abhorrent. Why no mention of the heat wave of 1895 with 437 dead or 1938 with 438 dead. Why this lack of consideration for any heat waves prior to 2009 or for that matter any other natural disasters? It is chronic tunnel vision or better put chronic cherry picking. Here is a list of heat waves for Australia going back to 1895 from EMA Disasters Database. Beyond this list, there was 160 days in a row of temperature above 39C at Marble Bar in 1924, 52C highs in 1878, 1896, 1901, 1906, 1909 and 53C highs in 1845 and 1889. Yeah Australia has been hot for awhile now, so get your air conditioners and fans fixed, upgrade your power grid with more dependable and cost-effective energy (solar & wind ain’t enough) and stop complaining.
“That summer of 2009 was considered exceptional at the time. It’s becoming the norm. Research suggests that in a few decades, a year like 2009 will be considered unusually cool.”
You are absolutely correct. And, the outright lie inherent in the above statement is: RESEARCH doesn’t suggest the world will be much warmer in a few decades, MODELS do, and the models are carefully constructed to produce the desired output.
That model output is being taken in preference to data is ludicrous, and yet these people are actually claiming that data is biased and model output is truth. I’m looking forward to their eventual humiliation.
Wonderful sensible article from a member of a wonderfully sensible Nation. Join us to defeat the elites.
Go Green ……. Produce lots of Carbon!
Time for the Drama Greens to change their campaign colour.
Put freezer on Boost for 6pm
Because we now face a real prospect of power cuts in the UK, to avoid problems when we start getting the power cuts, it is advisable to give your fridge/freezer a boost, recharge any batteries do any household chores indeed get everything done before 6pm.
Go Green alright. The crazies are now beetroot-red: http://pindanpost.com/2014/11/01/green-paroxysms-of-rage/
I remember my grand’ma saying that we need cold, frost and snow to kill the insect and snow to protect the new crop
This is one of the greatest logical disconnects of so-called environmentalists. In what kind of reality is it “green” to have cold, glaciers, frozen tundras and ice caps, but not green to have a world with abundant forests reaching up into high latitudes?
Not that this is likely to happen, of course, but the fact that they don’t want it to happen is somewhat bizarre, A bit like a Marxist alarmed that the world might embrace communism, or a libertarian going hysterical at the thought of the government getting smaller.
spot on
The absurdity of these disconnects is more mental than environmental. Maybe it should be called mentalEnvironmentalism.
Their positions even exceed the absurdity of Álex de la Iglesia movies. At least Álex de la Iglesia movies provide value as art, entertainment and insight into the human condition. MentalEnvironmentalism provides no value except maybe as a social club for illusions of grandeur, paranoia, skepticism in humanity, negativity, cynicism, and pessimism.
Better to shorten it to: enviroMentals.
enviro not environ. viro; as in contagion.
Ergo – EnviralMentals
Easy! Cold has polarbears. They are cute!
..and cuddly [smooch].. AAAAARRRRGGHHH!!
There is no disconnect. Their aim is to destroy or strongly reduce industry and capitalism. Where do you think all the anti-nuclear weapons activists went? Since the end of Communism in the Soviet Union there were a lot of hands with nothing better to do. They needed new glue.
Simply and sensibly put, Viv!
Yesterday my local paper (Malmö Sweden) had a full front-page spread with wartime headlines and a giant thermometer proclaiming that we’d just had the hottest month ever recorded in Malmö. Cause for celebration? You wish. Our whole mindset has been so warped by the IPCC, the Green Lobby, the media, and the political/establishment elite that we now no longer see the Gas of Life but the Kiss of Death. God help us – and the unborn billions – when the next cold spell sets in!
Hi Kevin,
My daughter lives in Eslov and attends U of Malmo. Another tip of the hat to WUWT, connecting people from around the world.
Oh My God, petey’s developed a sense of humor!
…you Do realize that you have just taken the first step towards Skepticism, yes?
“No.”
And that, folks, is proof positive of a closed mind.
Viv writes “while it lasts”. The RSS satellite agrees that it hasn’t warmed in over 18 years.
[Wasted effort by a banned commenter. Deleted. -mod]
Or –
it’s not warming/it is warming, it’s not warming – well not much; It’s the clouds/Magnetism/Solar activity/it HAS been colder before/it has been Warmer before/ we don’t know/ Could it have anything to do with CO2??
Multi-year ‘Noes’ indicate not.
Hmmmm.
What about science?
Hard facts. Perchance!
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There are around 23,000 extra deaths in the UK each winter. In Scotland the a linear regression of winter temperature and deaths showed something like 700 deaths for each degree C colder the winter was.
In the 1690s there was snow on the Cairngorms which suggests around 2C colder and around a quarter of the population died from famine. In contrast, from 1750-1850 (the supposed time of the “clearances”) the population of Scotland increased. So, the 1690s famines in the colder wetter period is very likely the worst disaster in Scottish history – but one almost completely ignored by the warmist Stazi currently running Scotland.
Data from insects in the UK, show that the modest warming in the 20th century did have an effect: It caused insects to INCREASE their range northward. Thus showing that the benign effects of warmth was largely beneficial.
Excess winter mortality in Europe: a cross country analysis identifying key risk factors
http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/10/784.full
Table 1 – Coefficient of seasonal variation in mortality (CSVM) in EU-14 (mean, 1988–97)
CSVM 95% CI
Austria 0.14 (0.12 to 0.16)
Belgium 0.13 (0.09 to 0.17)
Denmark 0.12 (0.10 to 0.14)
Finland 0.10 (0.07 to 0.13)
France 0.13 (0.11 to 0.15)
Germany 0.11 (0.09 to 0.13)
Greece 0.18 (0.15 to 0.21)
Ireland 0.21 (0.18 to 0.24)
Italy 0.16 (0.14 to 0.18)
Luxembourg 0.12 (0.08 to 0.16)
Netherlands 0.11 (0.09 to 0.13)
Portugal 0.28 (0.25 to 0.31)
Spain 0.21 (0.19 to 0.23)
UK 0.18 (0.16 to 0.20)
Mean 0.16 (0.14 to 0.18)
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Allan, thanks for posting that.
Overall, the UK exhibits an average seasonality rate of 18%, which represents about 37 000 annual excess winter deaths
I’ve written that as an article:
The forgotten genocide of millions of Britons
Below are some of the effects of the Little Ice Age from the literature. In short we had crop failures, hunger, mass migration, epidemics, great storms in the North Atlantic, Europe wide witch hunts, endemic Malaria in England & part of the Arctic Circle, higher wildfire frequency in circumboreal forests, strong droughts in central Africa (1400–1750), social unrest in China, dead Central American coral reef, century-scale droughts in East Africa, large increases in flood magnitude (upper Mississippi tributaries), environmental and economic deterioration in Norway, decline in average height of Northern European men, climate became drier on the Yucatan Peninsula, sudden and catastrophic end of the Norse Western Settlement in Greenland, River Thames freeze-overs, agro-ecological, socioeconomic, and demographic catastrophes, leading to the General Crisis of the Seventeenth Century.
During our warm period we are still trying to find the missing climate refugees in the face of world food production at record levels.
+10…@Jimbo,
Thanks for all your posts. As a geologist, I appreciate your links to articles, datasets, and insight.
I find this to be dumb.
The warmists approach that all warming is bad is stupid, but countering it by just saying the opposite is equally as stupid. Stay in the greyzone and compare the pros and cons, instead of going fullblown in either direction is what we should do..
Ohflow, sometimes when fighting the climate war you have to take the hard stand. They don’t understand the greyzone. There cannot be any benefits from a 2c warming world in their view. I destroy such rubbish.
It is all so very simple.
The aloof prophets of doom in the IPCC have decided that circa 1950 is the year of the climate norm and that year’s climate is the one we need to fix for our planet for the rest of eternity,
Personally, I think it should be 1937 and amongst my illustrious colleagues there is a variation from 1066 to 2035.
As if we had the slightest hope to fix climate to some arbitrary ideal! However, there a lot of goofies out there thinking wasting almost $1.0 billion per year on this goal is no way enough. They want us to get in there and really hobble the western world’s economy with lots more expensive, unreliable, intermittent energy and tax the poo out of cheap, efficient, reliable energy.
Well, that’s flat earth thinking for you.
Whoops!
$1.0 billion per day. not year!
Very interesting date 1937. Now see the extreme weather events of 1936 and 1935 when co2 was below the ‘safe’ 350ppm level.
Also see the great storms of the Little Ice Age, a time of lower co2 with a benign cold climate.
Warmer temps do more good hey. Dunno about that…it’s damn hot here for Spring!
NSW crops going backwards due to heat and lack of rain.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/nsw-crops-going-backwards-due-to-heat-and-lack-of-rain/171523
Most of New South Wales is facing very high fire danger ratings today as the state swelters with temperatures as high as 40 degrees Celsius in some areas.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/high-temperatures-and-increased-fire-danger-for-nsw/172850
So, summer is finally coming to Australia? I remember reading here several posts from Australia, complaining about unusually cold and late spring this year.
When you go out next time (instead of spending your life searching for links), look at the sky: I bet you it’s not falling yet.
Seriously Peter..?
Using BOM temperature records?… roflmao !!!!
Maybe you should look back before 1910 and see just what Australia CAN dish up in the way of heat.
And nearly every unadjusted raw station data show COOLING over the longer period, not warming.
Because I was in Newcastle today. Lets look at Newcastle, Nobby’s head.
Highest temp this October. 31.9C
Highest on record.. 36.7C in 1988
Yes, Australia gets warm and it often happens in October..
.. GET OVER IT !!
Posting a link to the BoM? Priceless. Temps are not unusual for Australia at this time of year. Warm sure, but not unusual.
The warmistas had better hop to it with their disaster forecasts though.
3 weeks ago we had a couple of nice late-spring type days, very welcome after what seemed to be continual months of rain here in Perth, WA.
A greenie friend got on fb with this whole wall of writing about how this rather nice warm spell was going to be the new norm and so on and all the water shortages we are not having anymore etc. I pointed out this was happening each season and got silenced – lol
Next day and for the next week it poured down and was well under average temps (the non-BOM adjusted ones that abide in 20-30 years of humans memories). Then we have gone into a pattern of a few warm/hot days which then switches back to cold/wet again – once with hail even.
If we were just to go on one of all these ‘spring’ days’ I am sure my friend would pick that one warm one – I would go for the one with the hail.
Well it has been most amusing, except the darned weeds need killing again as they are loving all this extra moisture (again the real wet stuff not what the BOM pretend hasn’t fallen) and the little bit o extra Co2 in the air. I would love to be around when/if Co2 hits 800ppm but doubt I will make it that far – if I do someone else can do the darn weeds…
I hope the MP can pull off the inquiry.
There is not doubt at all that the BOM has manipulated temperatures.
Their defense can only be the manipulations were both necessary and so obvious as to be unquestionable.
The former is a Pandora’s box of theory, statistical functions, emails, versioning and missing records. It won’t be pretty. The latter is an impossible standard, for every manipulation could have been done differently.
Peter it’s hardly warmer than it was 18 years ago across the planet. The only reason Australia is having a warm spell now is because solar activity in the last few months has been at the highest levels yet for this cycle. The average solar flux for this year is 142 sfu/day, and the last time it exceeded that level on average for a whole year was in 2002, during the solar max year of cycle #23, when the solar flux average in F10.7cm was 180 sfu/day. The yearly average for the intervening years was 96 sfu/day, of course including the lowest solar minimum in many many cycles. [sfu = solar flux unit]
Solar flux for this Sept averaged 147 sfu/day, and for October it was 154 sfu/day. See
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/indices/quar_DSD.txt
For the period from Oct 18-28 the flux averaged 197sfu/day, peaking at 227 on Oct. 23.
When Australia warmed up from this solar activity, so did all parts of the world south of the jetstream in the NH and north of jetstream in the SH, producing many high temp records.
Most of the skeptics worldwide are not aware of this – YET.
So forget about human caused climate change – it’s phony, unreal, nonexistent.
Today’s solar flux dropped to 121. My analysis of SST and solar flux from 1960-now indicates the oceans on average drop in temperature when flux reaches 120 sfu/day, and the temps increase above that level.
Your assignment Peter, if you choose to accept it, is to pay attention for the next few months to the DSD report (Daily Solar Data) and see what the temperatures do as solar flux varies. In January the earth is the closest to Sun for the year. If solar flux is high again like it was last Jan-March, when in January it was 160 [peaked at 262 on Jan 4], in Feb it was 170, and 150 in March, you can be sure you will see WARMING from that, as you did in Australia then.
It’s going to take many years for global temps to drift downward after this solar max is really over, and as the next cycle is expected to be weak, I think global temps are ultimately headed downhill in due time because of it.
Weather! What a Disgrace! Who would have thought!
It was -3c in Hobart, Tasmania. a few days ago.
I didn’t “pull” anything. There were several messages to this effect on WUWT recently. I don’t have to record each and every of such messages just to satisfy your mendacious curiosity, Peter. Some new messages to the same effect see below. Your green religious beliefs are shuttered, learn to live with it, trolling here won’t help.
Martin, for every hot WEATHER event I can find you cold weather events. To save me time you can find them all HERE (scroll down there.)
The last year it has been a terrible year for crops as they withered resulting in World food production to be at RECORD LEVELS
When you come to a machine gun fight, don’t come with a toothpick.
Martin, I see your cherry picks. Here is another cherry pick, from me this time.
Spring is in the air!
Here is an explanation about Australia’s weather. Australia is a land of various climate zones.
Yes, and the heat records keep on tumbling in Australia – it’s becoming a trend.
First ‘big heat event’ melts Australian temperature records
Australia’s first major heatwave of the warming season has broken temperature records across the nation, more than a month before the official start to summer.
On Saturday, the country set its warmest October day in records going back to 1910, with average maximums across the nation reaching 36.39 degrees, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.
The previous record for October was set on the 31st of the month in 1988, at 36.31 degrees.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/first-big-heat-event-melts-australian-temperature-records-20141027-11cczf.html#ixzz3Hkg81bO9
Martin, see my references above regarding BOM and your hot weather records for Australia. Your linked page says
Why do you think they started in 1910? What about from the early 1800s?
Do you have peer reviewed evidence that the Australian ‘records’ are caused by man’s greenhouse gas emissions?
Peter and Martin thinks it’s NEVER been hot in October in Australia…………LMAO!
October Heat
The weather in Sydney yesterday was the hottest for October in eight years. The highest temperature was 96.7 (35.9C) degrees, registered at 1.55p.m. The maximum on October 7, 1928, was 98 (36.7C) degrees.
The highest temperature for October in 98 years in which records have been kept was 99.7 (37.6C) degrees on October 19, 1928.
In the 98 years there have been 61 October days when temperatures of 90 (32.2C) degrees and over have been recorded.
Hot conditions were also experienced in country centres yesterday, the maximum temperature at Bourke being 103 (39.4) degrees, and 110 (43.3C) at Walgett. At Coonabarabran, where the maximum temperature was 92 (33.3C) degrees, dust storms were experienced.
The above is just one of 439,446 results for October heat @ Trove.
Oops, forgot to add the date………October 9th, 1936
But thems be the BOM’s records! And we all know how the BOM is in a conspiracy to doctor the temperature records!!!!!
Cold record temps from the BOM cannot be trusted either cuz it’s all a conspiracy I tells ya!
That’s right, you can’t trust the cold records, either. They were actually much colder, but “adjusted” to look warmer. Unless they were from long ago, in which case they’ve been rendered colder to make the present look hotter.
“Climate (anti-)scientists” have corrupted not only science in general but observations in particular. Now they’re even altering the records before reported, so that further later adjustments won’t appear so egregious. For this decade at least, no one will ever know what the real temperatures were.
Martin, BOM faces a parliamentary investigation. Go to the media and tell them the MP concerned is a conspiracy theorist. It would be breaking news! You would become famous! Go on, I dare you.
Martin
October 31, 2014 at 2:04 am
“Most of New South Wales is facing very high fire danger ratings today as the state swelters with temperatures as high as 40 degrees Celsius in some areas.”
How can there be fire danger if the place is too hot for plant life? Do rocks burn in your area?
I dare propose a small correction: while describing a region where “few species live”, please, use the expression “Siberian tundra” or, better yet, “Arctic tundra” instead of “Siberia”. Siberia is huge and diverse, its area is larger than the area of the USA and Canada taken together. Southern parts of Siberia are relatively well populated with people as well as with fauna and flora. I grew up in a magnificent Siberian cedar pine forest with thousands of birds, moose, bears, all kinds of small animals, flowers, mushrooms, etc. It is a bit strange for me to think of Siberia as of a desolate place with few species. Though it is cold and difficult there in winter, sure.
While your point is well taken as to the diversity of Siberia, it is not anywhere near as big as the USA & Canada combined, let alone larger. Siberia covers about 13 million sq. km, while the USA & Canada together close to 20 million.
The world has been greening for the last 30 years, what more can you say.
I agree the world has been greening, now there are definitely more greens than ever.
Could this be any more inane?
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Cities are far warmer than the countryside. Birds, trees, flowers, bees, thrive under these conditions.
I couldn’t give you an average temp of Regina, but guess that it is a couple of degrees warmer than average. So already experiencing the average temps expected in 50- 100 years.
https://www.regina.ca/residents/tree-yard/choose-plant/trees/trees-that-grow-well-in-regina/
hell that sounded muddled but you get the gist.
I had retired at a location near sea level and about 350 miles north of the Equator and any luck I will never have to endure another winter in Canada or the UK.
Just read an account of Canadian soldiers’ complaints while serving in Britain during World War 2. The worst hardship was having to endure an English winter without central heating. This was a complaint by men who came from parts of Canada where winter temperatures often plunged to 40 degrees below zero. At that temperature the -40 Fahrenheit = -40 Celsius.
Enjoy the Modern Warm Period as long as it lasts at least until the Luddites destroy civilization as we know it.
The twenty-five year (and counting) Global Warming scare is a testament to the power of propaganda.
That’s not all of it though. Another component is the power of freshly printed federal money. There are a lot of people on that gravy train that believe more in their next paycheck than anything related to climate.
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. When Australia was discovered some 300 years ago, wasn’t it a hot, inhospitable place with few creatures and even fewer people clinging to a precarious way of life mainly round the coast trying to avoid the effects of droughts, floods and fire.
What has changed? With modern technology we can increase the numbers of people in a given space, but the original problems haven’t changed and every now and again the natural world will fling one extreme or the other (or several at once) at the inhabitants. It’s why there weren’t many people there to start with. If everything had been ideal the place would have been teeming with people (or just maybe they would have been able to develop to the point where they discovered Europe!). Why haven’t we changed the environment to make it more suitable? Because we are so puny compared to the forces of nature and a bit of shelter and localised heating is all our current ability allows.
Vic Forbes,
I tend to understand in your favor.
The greenhouse effects of the Earth’s mixed gas planetary atmosphere is beneficial to the life it helped start and which it sustained. Periods of more greenhouse effect warming have a net life enhancing effect on geological and historical timescales. Warming alarm has not been established as reasonable and has self-defeating unreal claims.
NOTE: The IPCC warming alarmism is already irrelevant. I do not think there will be an AR6 but instead in the future the IPCC will just do random smallish scope hatchet job manifestos opposing observational based non-alarming climate theories.
John
Viv Forbes,
Regarding my above post, I am sorry I misspelled your first name.
VicJohn
Physiologically speaking man is not meant too live outside the tropics, sub-tropics 23 degrees south 23 degrees north. Body temperatures are 37.4C. Unfortunately on large timescales, man has not thrived in the tropics because life was/is to easy re food and absence of adversity ect. Unfortunately man has thrived (progressed) only with adversities such as cold (northern countries, sweden germany, ect), war (Romans, germans, Japanese ect), altitude with cold (Incas ect), Deserts no water (Egypt ect). personally I think persons who live anywhere above 23-30 degrees north or south are to be pitiedas this miss out on life in a big way. ( I live 24 south and love envery second of it, nature, food heat swimming, sports ect you name it). The AGW are absolutely crazy and havent got a clue, I pity them as well. LOL
Think about how many calories it takes to maintain body weight cold weather vs warm weather. Clearly humans evolved and are meant to live in a warm world. Fortunately we have learned to adapt to other places where humans would not normally be able to live. We will continue to adapt to changing climate and thrive if only the power hungry elite would just go away and leave us alone.
A naked human cannot survive outside the tropical jungles. We die of exposure at anything below 27C without technology (clothing/shelter/fire).
The average temperature of the earth is 15C. Long term the earth has mostly been at 22C – the same temperature we heat our houses to prior to high energy costs.
22C/72F is also the same temp trees try and maintain their leaves at. Coincidence? I think not. It is millions of years of evolution. Life likes it warm.
And to top it all homo sapiens are thought to have evolved in one of the hottest locations on planet Earth – the Afar / Danakil Depression, Ethiopia.
Hot, hot, hot
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/what-are-the-hottest-and-coldest-inhabited-places-in-the-world
IMO, a naked human starts to feel cold when the surrounding temperature drops below about 25°C (77°F). At least I do. Maybe it depends upon state of nutrition. But, yes, we are definitely a tropical species whose cultural adaptations allow us to live outside the tropics.
Eliza
October 31, 2014 at 4:01 am
“Unfortunately man has thrived (progressed) only with adversities such as cold (northern countries, sweden germany, ect), war (Romans, germans, Japanese ect), altitude with cold (Incas ect), Deserts no water (Egypt ect).”
That’s a rather meaningless list. There were always tribal wars in Africa or North America or anywhere else; also, tropical diseases should count as an adversity, wouldn’t you say? Or crocodiles. Think of the crocodiles.
I concur DirkH, we know about the Mayans and the Aztecs in tropical jungles. Thrived at one time with huge cities in the middle of jungles. Before that we had Mesopotamia . Then we had Songhai, Ghana and Mali in West Africa. In fact all over the world you can find people who thrived once and promptly poof. Adversity may drive some civilizations, but you don’t need adversity to start and develop a civilization.
Yep. But you’re preaching to the choir.
I think the “Precautionary Principle” is demonstrated here aptly! ALL the logic & reason says warming is benign & beneficial to Humanity & the Planet, yet invoke the PP, & you have disasters in abundance!!!! Isn’t it just brilliant, if you’re a lawyer of course!
Viv,
It is a well known phenomenon called: “latitudinal diversity gradient” (LDG)
I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that the Earth has warmed slightly since the end of the “Little Ice Age” from the cold that helped to cause crop failures, starvation, plague and war.
Anymore when I see the acronym WWF, I instead see WTF.
Sort of the same mental response I get to the name petey grace.
Maybe petey is actually lew in disguise?
Otter,
It seems that you get a Grace response more often than anyone else….
Maybe you should ask him where he goes for vacation…
In Matt Ridley’s article he used the word Brobdingnagian. Can any of our Brit/AUS/NZ folks help out on that one? Never saw it before.
Thanks,
PBH
[Classic literature! Your high school and college classes didn’t include Gulliver’s Travels? “Brobdingnag is a fictional land in Jonathan Swift’s satirical novel Gulliver’s Travels occupied by giants. Lemuel Gulliver visits the land after the ship on which he is travelling is blown off course and he is separated from a party exploring the unknown land.” .mod]
Next up, the origin of the word ‘Gargantuan’! 😉
One of Swift’s satires on hubris – the AGW crowd need to understand them, and Orwell. Some hope! Brett
a lot of nonsense about how insects will not be able to adapt to hotter temps. Looks like they have and in an extreme envirnoment –
Urban areas are several degrees hotter than average-
“http://www.theguardian.com/com…
“But surprisingly, the industry has discovered that bees kept in urban areas are healthier and produce better honey”
damn- environment
Speaking of Perth, here is an interesting article from The Daily News (Perth) dated Thursday 2nd November, 1922:
October Heat
HUGE WATER CONSUMPTION
The effect of the October heat wave was reflected in the huge increase in the water consumption on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. From a consumption of 4,834,000 gallons on the 22nd, the figures jumped to 8,853,000 gallons on Sunday, 11,121,000 on Monday, and 10,533,000 gallons yesterday. The maximum for any one day was established during the heat wave of last summer, when 12,393,000 gallons was reached.
I wonder what the summer of 1921 in Perth was like?
@BruceC
October 31, 2014 at 6:41 am: 40C is not uncommon, in my experience. Brett
I have a huge amount of respect for Matt Ridley, but I am puzzled by one thing. He appears to believe that the IPCC computer predictions to the end of this century are basically correct. As he says, based on this assumption, global warming will be a net benefit until 2080.
However, if there’s any certainty in this debate, it’s that the IPCC predictions are hopelessly wrong. In this century CO2 has increased by around 10 per cent and yet there has been zero global warming. By the admission of several top climate scientists (e.g. Trenberth, Jones) this outcome has invalidated the climate models. Also, the trend of sensitivity assessments has been falling, a recent one gave just 0.4C warming for a CO2 doubling.
It seems almost certain, therefore, that if there is any 21st century global warming, it will be very small. It is also becoming more likely that this century will be dominated by global cooling.
Why Matt continues to think there will be several degrees of warming is beyond me….
Chris
Warming is a pleasant walk in the park. It is the cold that mankind has battled since we left the forest canopy. The slight modern warming has relieved some of our suffering but we must not take our eyes off of the true enemy of ALL life. GK
Pretty much from the start of the year Anthony and his excellent blog have been warning us that the warmists are becoming increasingly worried about the continuation of the pause and would become increasingly desperate in their attempts to claim it was over. Anthony and contributors predicted that this would take the form of a claim that 2014 is the hottest year on record or evah! As usual Anthony is on the money. The Daily Telegraph is just the latest in trumpeting today that the year is the hottest on record so far. It doesn’t provide us with a source for it’s contention but I don’t think a guessing game on that issue would last long. I expect Christopher Booker is sharpening his knife as we speak!
Jimbo, what if Petey’s last four holiday destinations were to ski resorts?
What does that prove?
Viv nailed it with
I guess it’s time to we started pushing BAGW (i.e., Beneficial Anthropogenic Global Warming) and watch the rats scurry for cover.
Joe Crawford,
Your comment triggered the following thought.
If the myopic theory of significant AGW from fossil fuels continues to be exposed as an intentional exaggeration to create alarm, one wonders if there will be a counter reaction movement that creates an AGWSL (Anthropogenic Global Warming Saves Lives) campaign by opportunistic start-up NGOs.
John
Stephen Rasey, I would then ask him did he FLY! Bear with me Stephen, it’s a patient game. He did not answer so there you have it.
But the planet isn’t warming. It has warmed from about AD 1700. but that trend is presently in abeyance, as has often happened over the past 300 years. The next multidecadal temperature move is more likely down than up. The long-term trend of the past ~3300 years has been down, which will resume sooner or later regardless of what humans do.
Warmth is not good if you like Maine Shrimp…
Gulf Of Maine Is Warming Faster Than Most Of World’s Oceans
Researchers studying the Gulf of Maine say its waters are warming faster than 99 percent of the world’s oceans, and worry the rising temperatures will hit New England commercial fisheries hard.
“The decline of the shrimp fishery, I think that’s another one that has a very strong finger-print of warming,” he says.
http://nhpr.org/post/gulf-maine-warming-faster-most-worlds-oceans
Another Maine shrimp season at risk
A technical committee that advises federal regulators is strongly recommending the extension of a moratorium on the fishery that began earlier this year. A draft of the committee’s report to the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, which regulates the fishery, says “long term trends in environmental conditions” are unfavorable for the shrimp.
The draft report pins the decline of the cold-water shrimp on rising ocean temperatures. The Northern Shrimp Technical Committee’s report advises regulators that “the depleted condition of the resource and poor prospects for the near future” warrant extending the moratorium into next year.
The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission’s Northern Shrimp Section had closed this year’s shrimp season for the first time in more than 30 years and is set to vote on next year’s season on Nov. 5.
The fishery’s estimated population has fallen by a factor of 14, regulators have said.
“Not having a shrimp fishery will just be another blow to Maine fishermen,” said Ben Martens, executive director of the Maine Coast Fishermen’s Association.
Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/another-maine-shrimp-season-at-risk/29420808#ixzz3HkkktpSr
@Martin
October 31, 2014 at 12:37 pm : The NAO etc. are about to fix that. For crying out loud, those of us who actually do these things have seen it before. Brett
You’ll have to switch to Maine lobster, then.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/in-maine-fishermen-struggle-with-glut-of-lobsters.html?_r=1&
Martin,
If you’re interested, Bob addressed this topic when it surfaced a little bit ago.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/03/baseless-alarmism-global-warmings-impact-on-gulf-of-maine-driving-away-lobsters-and-fish/
Maine shrimp also suffered from OVER FISHING. Warm waters oof Maine are just that. Warm waters. They have happened before and will happen again. Co2 is not to blame. As for lobster it has been a boom.
Thanks to abundant vegetation, the largest land animals lived in the warmest intervals of geologic history, ie the Jurassic & Cretaceous Periods of the Mesozoic Era (especially the middle of the Cretaceous) & first two epochs of the Cenozoic.
This is very simplistic. You don’t have to go to the poles to find an environment where it is warm yet life struggles. The arid latitudes that ring the planet north and south of the equator are warm and in many places, statistically lifeless. Temperature alone does not guarantee a region will be teaming with life. This article isn’t wrong, just badly incomplete. That is enough for it to be held up an an example of sloppy science by science teachers preconditioned by mandate to hold the flag of Climageddon high. Skeptics can’t use the same shoddy methods as the alarmists because it presents an easy path for them to take down the entire article. We know that alarmists extend no such effort to debunk nonsense from their own ranks such as “An Inconvenient Truth”, but that is a reality we need to correct with our votes, not our science.
You show that you do not know boolean logic. Life is diverse where there are nutrients AND water AND warmth.
We are, and indeed all life is fortunate to be living during a warmer period during our interglacial period, the Holocene. And who knows, perhaps it will rival the MWP eventually, even though Mann and the ippcc tried to disappear it. With luck, it might even rival the mid-Holocene warm period, or Climatic Optimum, some 5,000-7,000 years ago. I doubt it though. For the short term anyway, cooling seems to be in the cards.
Of course, we can’t affect warming or cooling, but the thing we do have the ability to do is adapt. One thing we shouldn’t be doing is shooting ourselves in the foot by making energy more expensive and less reliable.
Cooling is in the cards both for the short term & the long term. With the shifts in the PDO & AMO, the planet should cool over the next few decades, then probably warm again. But longer term, the trend remains down as it has been since at least the Minoan Warm Period, c 3300 years ago, if not indeed since the warmest part of the Holocene Climate Optimum.
PETM: The confirmation bias argument for folks who have nothing better.
Pete, from you PDF.
•PETM –Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum
•56 m.y. ago, lasted 150 k.y., the time for CO2to re-equilibrate.
•Massive carbon release (>4 trillion tons) during 20 kyof early Eocene. Source unknown. Documented by carbon isotope patterns known as CIE, or Carbon Isotope Excursion.
•Oceans acidified as shown by absence of planktonic shells in ocean sediments.
•Oceans warmed by 5oC or 9oF. Air temps were even higher.
Poorly researched to get “Source Unknown”
From my post on Jimbo’s WUWT
Some 56 million years ago, a massive pulse of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere sent global temperatures soaring. In the oceans, carbonate sediments dissolved, some organisms went extinct and others evolved.
Might be the old case of wrong cause / wronge case. A quick search on lava flows 56 million years ago pops up.
The North Atlantic Igneous Province (NAIP) is one of the largest such on earth and extends from Baffin Island and Greenland northwards into the Arctic, east across to Norway and southwards down to Denmark, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Outpourings of its magma created the Scottish islands of Skye, Rhum, Eigg, Canna and the basalt columns of the Giant’s Causeway and Fingle’s Cave.
Flood basalts from this time are still widely exposed on the Faroe Islands, Greenland and Baffin Island whilst Iceland remains a volcanically active ‘hot spot’ to this day.
It is known that the NAIP was particularly active at two periods in the deep past; the first phase was between 62 – 58 million years ago, with a second phase at the time of the PETM, between 56 – 54 million years ago when the area began to be uplifted; the continental plate split apart and emitted large volumes of magma.
https://sites.google.com/site/thepaleoceneeocenethermalmaxim/5-molten-magma-the-north-atlantic-igneous-province
Or
During the birth of Mount McKinley 56 million years ago when molten magma solidified deep beneath central Alaska, volcanic activity (eruptions at the surface) was also occurring in the park, and produced red, yellow and brown basalts, rhyolites, and other volcanic rocks.
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/LivingWith/VolcanicPast/Places/volcanic_past_alaska.html
Still have no answer to my question – How many tons of lava at 1500 F does it take to cover the north Atlantic and would this tend to heat things up to a greater or lesser extent than CO2?
Enjoy it while it lasts.
http://www.iceagenow.com/GISP2%20Ice%20Core.jpg
See how there was a cooling trend in that graph above.
This graph below shows the spike in temps up to 2010. Wonder how much higher that spike will get…
http://s29.postimg.org/zagke7rzb/gisp2.jpg
Why don’t you show us where it went over the past four years, instead of ending at 2010.
Martin October 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm
LOL. Your huge “spike in temps up to 2010”, looks suspiciously like ‘adjustments’. First the alarmist tried to convince us the MWP and LIA were figments of our imaginations (remember the hokey shtick?). After failing to rewrite history, they started adjusting the historic temperature records and fudging the current temps. Do actually think 2014 is the hottest year on record? Fudging and lying have consequences.
Here’s a thought experiment for you. During the MWP, the Vikings colonized southeastern Greenland, had dairy farms and grew hay and barley for about 300 years. The tithes they paid to the church at Gardar are a matter of record in the Vatican Library, which you could look up and report back to us as a research project. You can not now raise dairy cows anywhere in Greenland nor grow barley. Goats are about all that can survive. If, as in your extension of the GISP2 ice core, temperatures are now higher than they were during the MWP, why can’t cows survive and barley grow? Conversely, if you think they can, why don’t you buy a dairy herd, move to Greenland and keep us posted about your successful dairy operation. I’m sure we’d all love to hear about it.
Martin October 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm
BTW, the extension to 2010 in the graph you provided is very suspicious. It looks an awful lot like a simple extrapolation from where Lappi’s graph ends, not actual data read from the ice core. Anyone knowledgeable about the mechanics of ice core drilling and interpretation interested in clarifying this? Thanks
Martin October 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Also, there were at least two cycles of warming and cooling during the 20th century. If in fact the GISP2 ice core data could actually be ascertained to 2010, then those warming and cooling periods would show up. Since they do not, that makes me about 99 and 44/100ths percent sure your spike to 2010 is a simple straight-line extrapolation based on no data.
Plenty of farming going on today in Greenland, and cows too!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-greenland-climate-agriculture-idUSBRE92P0EX20130326
Here’s an interesting article…
“Fortunately, a team of scientists led by Jason Box has a new paper that reports the surface temperatures in the center of the Greenland ice sheet — more or less the same area where GISP2 was drilled — from 1840 to 2011. From that, we can see that temperatures there have risen approximately 1.3 C from 1855 to 2011.”
http://www.isthmus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=56942&start=45
Martin,
The produce was grown in a greenhouse. So, are you saying that the Greenlanders had greenhouses?
Your comparison is invalid.
Concerning your second reference, it takes us to a blog called Isthmus beer & cheese fest.
Tell us Martin, what are you all about?
Martin,
Observe the GISS “adjustments” [note the changing year in the charts]:
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/gissustampering1999-20132.gif
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1998changesannotated.gif?w=500&h=355
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/altyerationstonasaglobalsince1999.gif?w=640
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/giss1999-2012changes.gif?w=640
And finally, notice all the “hockey sticks” [Click to embiggen]. I count at least twenty:
http://i.snag.gy/BztF1.jpg
Martin
October 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm
“See how there was a cooling trend in that graph above.
This graph below shows the spike in temps up to 2010. Wonder how much higher that spike will get…”
Your spike is drawn thicker than the rest and it’s drawn with a ruler. The guy who forged the chart probably also did Obama’s birth certificate. Hire a better one.
Martin picks ONE YEAR and one season! It’s called the weather and there is nothing unusual here.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/10/new-study-shows-temperature-in-greenland-significantly-warmer-than-present-several-times-in-the-last-4000-years/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/17/remember-that-unprecedented-greenland-ice-sheet-surface-melt-that-was-allegedly-caused-by-global-warming-never-mind/
The year that I take a holiday in Antarctica will be the same year that Hell freezes over.
I’m going there in February.
To Hell?
It is the potentially eminent release of methane and methane hydrates that are the big risk of catastrophe.
if this happens mass extinction of most all marine life will occur.
this is the man induced methane and co2 release that can cause a feedforwatd into earth methane sinks turning them into methane sources.
look at the summer delta of methane over the northern hemisphere each summer and its exponential increase over the last decades relative to past centuries.
Relax; pop a cool one and release some CO2! We’ve been there and done methane:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/15/arctic-methane-emergency-called-off/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/13/defusing-the-arctic-methane-time-bomb/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/08/permafrost-fear/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/11/methane-the-irrelevant-greenhouse-gas/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/25/the-atlantic-is-leaking-methane-but-researchers-say-theres-no-cause-for-alarm/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/15/more-hype-on-methane-as-climate-boogeyman/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/12/methane-damned-if-you-do-dammed-if-you-dont/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/11/the-methane-hotspot-identified-in-the-four-corners-area-of-the-u-s-southwest-can-be-fixed-with-some-preventative-maintenence/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/15/another-ipcc-modeling-failure-so-thats-where-the-atmospheric-methane-went/
@Ron davison
October 31, 2014 at 5:12 pm: Happen I researched that a few years ago, and found the possible human influence on methane release is less than the natural variation. That is, insignificant. Brett
ron davison,
What ’eminent’ release of methane and methane hydrates are you talking about? Who gave you this scary information? Was it Gavin Schmidt of NASA Giss? It’s a sad day when those on your side have to shoot your own nonsense down. Research the Arctic during the Holocene Hypsithermal. I have done it for you
‘ice-free’ Arctic ocean ~8,000 years ago. No major methane excursion detected. Even if there were we are here today and back in 1979 the Arctic sea ice was at record extent. Stop worrying.
The LiveScience article link is below
http://www.livescience.com/38473-arctic-methane-warming-debate.html
Ron Davidson:
You must not let the alarmists frighten you. That is their purpose. The whole of their science is directed toward that end.
ron davison, please also take a look at these. If natural climate changes could cause this, then why can’t it do it now? There was a correlation with co2 back then too, then the correlation broke down. Why?
Finally, I hope, on methane……….
Methane eating bacteria in the Arctic tundra
http://sciencenordic.com/bacteria-eat-greenhouse-gases
http://ijs.sgmjournals.org/content/56/1/109.short
I don’t like to sweat, therefore… oh, never mind…
Scarily cold & snowy in Chicago for Halloween:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-snow-possible-weather-story-20141031-story.html
It’s hardly warmer if at all than it was 18 years ago across the planet. The only reason Australia is having a warm spell now is because solar activity in the last few months has been at the highest levels yet for this cycle. The average solar flux for this year is 142 sfu/day, and the last time it exceeded that level on average for a whole year was in 2002, during the solar max year of cycle #23, when the solar flux average in F10.7cm was 180 sfu/day. The yearly average for the intervening years was 96 sfu/day, of course including the lowest solar minimum in many many cycles. [sfu = solar flux unit]
Solar flux for this Sept averaged 147 sfu/day, and for October it was 154 sfu/day. See
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/indices/quar_DSD.txt
For the period from Oct 18-28 the flux averaged 197sfu/day, peaking at 227 on Oct. 23.
When Australia warmed up from this solar activity, so did all parts of the world south of the jetstream in the NH and north of jetstream in the SH, producing many high temp records.
Today’s solar flux dropped to 121. My analysis of SST and solar flux from 1960-now indicates the oceans on average drop in temperature when flux reaches 120 sfu/day, and the temps increase above that level of solar flux.
Please pay attention for the next few months to the DSD report (Daily Solar Data) and see what the temperatures do as solar flux varies. In January the earth is the closest to Sun for the year. If solar flux is high again like it was last Jan-March, when in January it was 160 [peaked at 262 on Jan 4], in Feb it was 170, and 150 in March, we can be sure we will see WARMING from that, as Australia did then.
It’s going to take many years for global temps to drift downward after this solar max is really over, and as the next cycle is expected to be weak, I think global temps are ultimately headed downhill in due time because of it.
Most of the skeptics worldwide are not aware of this – YET.
So forget about human caused climate change – it’s phony, unreal, nonexistent.
The Sun causes warming, cooling, and extreme weather events, not CO2.
Very few of the elite winter over in cold climates. They either live on the mild west coast of the US or have winter homes in FL, the Caribbean or Mediterranean. Bloomberg flies to Bermuda every Thursday.
What’s actually dangerous is the destruction of soil and all the rich life to be found within it. That’s not so much a function of temperature but of land use. If you cut down a load of trees, you expose the soil below to wind, heavy rains etc etc whereas with a covering of trees, even very heavy rainfall hits the ground slower, it is evaporated more slowly and the sponge underneath is more able to prevent run-off, soil erosion etc etc.
The Sahara desert and all the other areas of sand and rock arose long before there were billions of human beings, so I really don’t think that it’s just to do with us. Fire fanned by wind will have had something to do with that. We are generating more of it, to be sure, but not through driving cars per se. More to do with ripping up forests, over-grazing.
Yes, warmth is best able to host biodiversity, but it is but one factor in land-based balanced ecosystems. Soil and its preservation, its constant regeneration and its appropriate management is equally important.
Cold is a killer if you don’t know how to live with it. Minus ten is probably a bigger killer than minus forty, since those living with minus forty either know how to live with it or they die very quickly. Those exposed to minus ten may be a little more sanguine as you don’t die in 15 minutes from minus ten and people don’t design houses as well for the occasional minus ten as they do for brutal winters where survival depends upon professional insulation, proper clothing/skin protection and the ability to source and store food under extremely unfriendly conditions……
“Cold is a killer if you don’t know how to live with it.”
So you’re saying tropical animals and plants just don’t know how to cope with cold and that’s why the biodiversity and bioproductivity at the poles is so low?
Stupid critters!
Also, in the world’s subtropical desert belt, days can be hot, but nights are cold.
The fact remains that the lush, moist tropics teem with life, while the cold, dry polar deserts are relatively devoid of it.
Early or record snow is just a thing of the past.
Don’t worry Jimbo…
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November 1st…….daily records
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KHDN Hayden / Yampa, CO…………66.2 °F …..new record +3.6 degrees
KEGE Eagle County Regional, CO..69.8 °F …. new record + 2.8 degrees
+KBPI Big Piney, WY…………………..60.1 °F ……. new record +2.2 degrees
KVEL Vernal, UT……………………….. 68.0 °F ……..new record + 1.0 degrees
KCPR Casper, WY………………………71.1 °F …….new record +1.0 degrees
KGJT Grand Junction, CO……………73.0 °F……..new record +1.0 degrees
You are aware, are you not, that weather stations now regularly cook their books to make fake records?
And even if parts of CO, WY & UT are warmer than usual, most of the rest of the US isn’t.
juan, when you post information like that can you please provide a link. I can’t defend you if someone accuses you of making stuff up, which I’m sure you have not.
@milodonharlani
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I don’t know if they regularly “cook the books”……….but when it comes to weather, if it’s cold in one place, it’s also warm in another. That’s what makes weather interesting.
Don’t know where you live, but I would urge you to take your own temperature readings & compare them with NOAA’s nearest station to you. Doing so might well produce in you the same outrage it does in me. When confronted, NOAA staff know they’ve been busted.
My family farm has WX records continuous from the 1870s. They agreed well with local official “data” until the past few decades, when “climate science” became so abysmally corrupted. NOAA & NASA don’t just “adjust” past observations, but intentional alter current ones. It’s an outrage.
But, yes, WX differs across the US & other large swaths of the earth’s surface. But on average it’s cooling, not warming, despite an alleged steady rise in CO2, ie beneficial plant food.
@milodonharlani
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” But on average it’s cooling, not warming,”
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Citation please?
RSS shows cooling in this century. The surface station “record” so manipulated by NOAA, NASA & HadCRU has to be bent, spindled, folded & mutilated even to maintain flatness since the late 1990s. UAH satellite observations show less cooling than RSS, but the fact remains that, at best, earth has now suffered about as many years of flat to cooler temperature than it enjoyed warming from c. 1977-96.
Which is only to be expected, since cooler & warmer intervals alternate naturally in about 30 year cycles, in tune with the PDO & AMO. No “human fingerprint” is detectable during the period of rising CO2 since the end of WWII.
@milodonharlani
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1) RSS doesn’t show “cooling” =====> http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend
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2) RSS in fact show “warming” =======> http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2011/plot/rss/from:2011/trend
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3) UAH show warming this century ======> http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2000/plot/uah/from:2000/trend
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Can you please provide a citation that shows “cooling?”
I did.
See the graph I posted.
@milodonharlani
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Sorry, your “graph” doesn’t show the the entire 21st century.
You posted: “RSS shows cooling in this century”
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And you haven’t addressed the fact that UAH shows warming in the 21st century.
“In this century” doesn’t necessarily mean for the whole century.
Nine or ten of its 14 years so far counts as in this century.
@milodonharlani
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If nine or ten of the past 14 years qualifies, so does the past three
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http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2011/plot/rss/from:2011/trend
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Your cherries are no sweeter than mine are.
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Now….what about UAH?
You are missing the point. As usually measured, CO2 has steadily risen since 1996, but, depending upon data set, GAST has stayed flat or fallen. The GCMs did not predict this plateau, so have been yet again shown false.
As for RSS, the trend for the past decade or so remains down, despite the last three years. With the PDO & AMO switching to their cool modes, the longer lasting trend is liable to continue dominant. We’ll see.
While on most time scales since c. 1996 UAH remains flat rather than down, IMO that will change, too. The satellite era began at the end of a decades long cooling trend. Arctic sea ice in 1979 was higher than at any time since c. 1909 & possibly highest in the 20th century. Odds are good that by 2039 or so, its extent will again reach about that level.
juan, I see from the UNsourced information you put up
That is 22.77C. Oh the horror!
It fits in nicely with “Warmth is Good; Cold is the Killer”, thanks.
I’m sure you will complain about the fact that this is “unofficial” …..but it’s a pretty good gauge of the ratio of new highs to new lows which you can track every day.
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http://coolwx.com/record
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Enjoy!!
PS….the numbers change hourly, so be careful
Juan:
I hope that the planet is not cooling.
That would be a killer.
Don’t you know?
juan,
“Unofficial” numbers show global warming? What would you say if a skeptic posted unofficial numbers?
…thought so.
And regarding your true cherry picking, let me remind you that the ‘official’ start year for the last of the global warming in this (natural) cycle, per über-alarmist Phil Jones, was 1997.
Jones said in an interview in 1999 that global warming could not be statistically (ie: ‘oficially’) determined to have stopped, until fifteen years had passed. At that time only 2 years had passed, so Jones thought he was on solid ground. Obviously he believed that global warming would resume before now.
But as we know, Jones was wrong. Global warming stopped, and it has remained stopped. Even the IPCC admits that (they call it a “pause”, but same-same).
So you don’t get to credibly pick any year you want. That’s just juggling statistics until you get a short term rise. One of the warmist crowd’s main heroes, Phil Jones (of Climategate infamy), has already stated that we start counting at 1997.
Now, a few folks have gone all arm-waving over the slight differences between RSS and UAH satellite data. If we accept UAH, then global warming merely stopped many years ago, but not quite as far back as 1997. But it still stopped, and all the pseudoscientific nonsense about the ‘hottest year ever’ is nothing but backing and filling; a face-saving climbdown.
So no, you can’t have it your way. Not unless you want to argue with Phil Jones.
As for the rest of us, we know that global warming has stopped. There isn’t any credible argument about that, not even from the IPCC. Sorry it falsifies your CO2=AGW conjecture. But science is about testable facts — not about ‘unofficial’ speculation, which is about all the warmist crowd has left.
You sneaky little fella you. So this is why you did not put the link the first time thus making me suspicious. Now, from the link I see:
What does this “unofficial” data tell me about the effect of Urban Heat Islands? Has this been deducted from the “Unofficial) Record-breaking temperature”?
From the link you eventually provided its says:
So that is what I did. I took a look at the bottom of the page and I read this:
From the unofficial record you pointed to the hottest city. The City of Grand Junction which is the largest city in western Colorado. “KGJT Grand Junction, CO……………73.0 °F……..new record +1.0 degrees”
I maybe mistaken but I do believe that KGJT is a radio station. Grand Junction even has or had a thermometer at the airport.
http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/pdfs/DenverHeatWave_Revised_April20_2006.pdf
juan, global warming has stopped according to Warmist climate scientists.
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UPDATE to the LONG list linked above.
Your ‘unofficial’ link is now showing low records being broken or approached. Put on your coat, cold kills – brrrrrrrrrrrr.
juan, here is Phil Jones for ya. He has been rather quiet of late. I wonder why? See the dates of each statement from Dr. Jones.
Poor juan,
Just another hand-wringing, deceived, would-be scientist who brings to WUWT the cut and paste from some global warming propaganda blog.
Juan, some advice:
Relax, have a beer or sip a little vin; say to yourself “I shall not let the alarmists frighten me”. Say this several times a day, with conviction. Soon you will feel better. I promise.
FLAG OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
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Poor juan,
Just another hand-wringing, deceived, would-be scientist who brings to WUWT the cut and paste from some global warming propaganda blog.
Juan, some advice:
Relax, have a beer or sip a little vin; say to yourself “I shall not let the alarmists frighten me”. Say this several times a day, with conviction. Soon you will feel better. I promise.
This is proof deniers are reptilian because cold-blooded animals don’t do well in cold climates but thrive in warmth. Cranky old conservatives can’t conceive of the fact they live in a cooler region of the world where being warmer is ok but there are already warm regions for which warmer is worse. While cranky old conservatives bleat about those who died during cold winter months forget that for other people summer is killer where people risk death from heat exhaustion. Heck I can imagine cranky old conservatives can’t even imagine parts of the world where it never gets cold enough for it to snow during wintertime.
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Gil,
Where are you getting your misinformation? More people die of cold than of warmth.
It’s more of a case of where you live more people die from the cold. When you live in a warm climate where summer is the killer winter isn’t cold enough to be deadly.