After reading the transcript of her radio interview, I think she’s finally had her “jumped the shark” moment. From Andrew Bolt’s report in Australia, Oreskes sounds even more off the rails than the always wrong doomer Paul Ehrlich. Bolt writes:
Just how crazy are the world’s leading global warming alarmists? Tony Thomas investigates the strange case of Naomi Oreskes, and how the ABC’s Robyn “100 metres” Williams didn’t even blink an eye:
Global warming is going to “wipe out” every Australian man, woman and child, according to Naomi Oreskes, the much-quoted Professor of the History of Science at Harvard. Revered by catastropharians the world over, she was a guest on a recent edition of Robyn Williams’ Science Show on Radio National…
The glum forecast is in her latest book, The Collapse of Western Civilisation (co-author Erik Conway)…
What Oreskes predicts is that some people in northern inland regions of Europe, Asia and North America, plus some mountain people in South America, will survive the killer warming. These lucky ones are able to “regroup and rebuild. The human populations of Australia and Africa, of course, were wiped out,” she says, writing from a viewpoint some 400 years into the future…
But Oreskes forecasts something much worse than the death by climate for every Australian human. She prophesises the climate deaths of puppies and kittens…
“The loss of pet cats and dogs garnered particular attention among wealthy Westerners, but what was anomalous in 2023 soon became the new normal. A shadow of ignorance and denial had fallen over people who considered themselves children of the Enlightenment.”…
Radio National’s Williams was delighted with Oreskes’ pet-panic strategy. He chimed in,
“Yes, not only because it’s an animal but it’s local. You see, one criticism of the scientists is they’re always talking about global things…And so if you are looking at your village, your animals, your fields, your park, your kids, and the scientists are talking about a small world that you know, than it makes a greater impact, doesn’t it…”
Oreskes starts The Science Show by reading from her book. Be afraid:
“By 2040, heatwaves and droughts were the norm… In wealthy countries, the most hurricane- and tornado-prone regions were gradually but steadily depopulated… Then, in the northern hemisphere summer of 2041, unprecedented heatwaves scorched the planet, destroying food crops around the globe. Panic ensued, with food riots in virtually every major city. Mass migration of undernourished and dehydrated individuals, coupled with explosive increases in insect populations, led to widespread outbreaks of typhus, cholera, dengue fever, yellow fever, and viral and retroviral agents never seen before… The European Union announced similar plans for voluntary northward relocation of eligible citizens from its southernmost regions to Scandinavia and the United Kingdom…”
The ever-credulous Williams, instead of asking Oreskes, “Mmm, you’re smoking something good?” merely observed that all of the above is “fairly shocking”…
Read more here
Riiiiiight, I’ gonna go out and buy myself a great dane and a budgie.
I wouldn’t if I were you.
It might choke to death.
I can’t see a budgie choking to death on a great dane
Depends where the “budgie” is…
It’s an AGW mutated budgie.
They’re fearless…..
Look….
You forgot the disclaimer: Professionally trained animals, do not try this at home, (especially with a hound breed).
mikeishere
September 3, 2014 at 2:12 pm
You forgot the disclaimer: Professionally trained animals, do not try this at home, (especially with a hound breed).
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depends on the hound:-0 my dane deerhound n wolfhound cohabited with a galah and cockatiel walking all over them and free in the home.
as well as a pet crow 🙂
my present dane/stag/wolf hounds cohabit with sheep and my bitch tries to feed young lambs
The great dane may feed you for a few days but the budgie won’t even make a good snack.
I like dolphins.. they taste like chicken.
IIRC, Budgie is the short form of ‘Budgerigar’ which is said to be Aborigine for ‘tasty treat’.
“…one criticism of the scientists is they’re always talking about global things…And so if you are looking at your village, your animals, your fields, your park, your kids, and the scientists are talking about a small world that you know, than it makes a greater impact, doesn’t it…”
I’m looking out of my window right now. It’s a beautiful, clear day with no air pollution in sight, and no sign of global (or local) warming. In fact, it’s looking like fall may come early.
Naomi Oreskes is not a scientist. She wouldn’t recognize the scientific method if it bit her on the arse. She’s a narcissistic witch doctor. Shame on Harvard.
“Shame on Harvard” at the least. This “woman” is a professor of the history of science? WTF? How did this happen? How did these sick nuts get into these positions? People like this are supposed to be the fringe lunatics who people laugh at. Now they are in charge. What a world!
Normal, intelligent people are doing real things in the real world and would be bored out of their minds to give the same 3 lectures every week, every semester, over and over until they snap. Note that most of these “academics” have snapped while still grad students working as teaching assistants. By the time they manage to get that last college loan shunted into the university’s bank account to pay for that PhD they’re already off the rails. The only way they can pay that $600k back is to get an NSF grant to study the Damage to Kindergarten Aged Psyches Caused by the use of Crayons Labeled “Flesh” in Artwork of Drowning Polar Bears or they get jobs passing out off Broadway handbills and working as paid protesters. (Note that this does not really apply to the real sciences or engineering curricula… those folks have real world problems to solve and don’t need to make up problems to research.)
She is trying to flog her book for MONEY. The truth or realism is not what she is after. It doesn’t matter to her if she is shown to be wrong, as long as she makes some MONEY for her long overdue retirement.
She’s “trying to flog her book for money” by acting like a complete wacko, a fringe figure? Come on, that’s almost as silly as she is.
What I would like to know is why the mercenary explanation holds such appeal for so many (Bush into Iraq; Oreskes into AGW, skeptics funded by big oil,, etc. etc, etc.).
Agree. Shame on Harvard. I have written and told them so. Plus informed them zero contributions until they mend their ways. Oreskes book is fiction. Pretends to be a history of science written from the perspective of 400 years in the future.
@nielszoo Sir, you are a poet.
In just 9 short years little kitties and puppies dying from the heat will be a new norm. Sounds like a best seller. Maybe the pet owners should bring the pet inside or give the pet some shade, and always leave a bowl of water for the pet.
Yeah, OUR pets survive San Joaquin Valley summers, with temperatures ALWAYS at least in the mid 90s, and occasionally in the hundreds. And of course, in the mid 1800s, dogs were able to survive in Virginia and Carolina summers DESPITE no air conditioning, and hot muggy weather.
Does Virginia Oreskes believe the whole world is always at the same temperature, and creatures are unable to acclimate themselves to changes?
An outbreak of retroviral agents. This is gibberish. The woman is a halfwit
Or witless.
Our local wit, Tim Blair, who writes opinion pieces for the Daily Telegraph in Sydney would call her a frightbat.
The ultimate useful idiot!!
She would need to be twice as bright as she is to qualify as a halfwit.
What is her source, Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein?
This doesn’t belong on The Science Show.
This doesn’t belong on the History Channel.
This sort of fable-babble would be considered too ludicrous for Coast to Coast AM.
It sounds like a regurgitation of the Ehrlichian ‘science’ that justified the settings of Soylent Green, Bladerunner, etc.
Is there something in the water at Haavaad?
Grimm’s fairy tales?
If the water does not have anything in perhaps it should.
Or rather, as Terry Pratchett writes: “Grim Fairy tales”.
The water is probably ok. The smoke in the air, however, smells a bit funny.
whatever it is its also in the water at ABC
I heard that piffle and was as usual enraged at such bullshit being aired.
however after many prior attempts to get R williams culled from air I have given up even trying to comment let alone complain.
I will truly be overjoyed when he leaves(20yrs already so must be soonish) and when the funeral announcement is published.
he almost singlehandedly has ruined “science” for me.
20 years? I seem to remember Williams in my youth pushing Dawkins style “sciencism”, I’d say he’s been at the ABC for over 35 years. My guess is nothing about science is mouthed without his consent.
Hey, she wrote it and signed it. What more can anyone ask for.
Oreskes has obviously written a book of fiction, and good luck to her in that regard. It’s just a pity that Williams has been duped into thinking it is based on fact.
oh he lets ALL climate fiction get by as fact..
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Good one!
Reblogged this on Aussiedlerbetreuung und Behinderten – Fragen.
Just look at her face. Most of the time, the substance (or lack thereof) of the human being is written, loud and clear, on the face.
Lets lay off the personal comments on appearance. It makes you look petty and illogical and unkind. Look up ad hominum as a fallacy. Naomi has plenty of dumb arguments to attack. Her appearnce is irrelevant.
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“At 50, everyone has the face he deserves.” – George Orwell
That her face is twisted into a permanent scowl is one of the most relevant facts in the entire climate debate.
No, human appearance is a book that everyone can learn to read. There could be nothing so stupid as not to pay attention to appearance. We all do it, and there is nothing wrong in commenting upon it.
That was the first thought that went through my mind upon viewing this page.
What a sad woman. Mind you I note that the IPCC has taken to dishing out weather “reports” forty years hence.
It looks like the whole shebang has jumped the shark.
“Why won’t you employ this man?”
“I don’t like his face.”
“But the poor man can’t help his face!”
“Anybody over forty can help his (or her) face.”
Now, which American president said something like that?
If this person is to be believed, perhaps this is how I should react …
http://www.arts-wallpapers.com/cartoon_tv_show/Looney-Tunes/images/Looney%20Tunes%20Wallpaper%20042.jpg
Can’t access your reaction. Must be good to be banned.
My elder son at school in English was asked to write a nonsense poem, he was so pleased when the teacher put the comment that even a nonsense poem should make some sense! Her book sounds as if it would fit into the same category as his poem.
In the opening passage she says
The European Union announced similar plans for voluntary northward relocation of eligible citizens from its southernmost regions to Scandinavia and the United Kingdom…”
The UK at the moment has one of the highest immigration rates of all the EU does she go on to say where these “eligible citizens” would live and what would they eat? (I assume by “eligible Citizens” she means bureaucrats)
James Bull
We already have voluntary relocation. It’s called moving.
Might as well call her a professional shark jumper – she has jumped so many now.
Well you are guaranteed that the shark wouldn’t jump her/him or whatever.
Her book is a work of fiction about what global warming may or will do.
Cats and dogs going extinct is not a real forecast but I imagine is meant as a shock factor to encourage action and/or even just to sell more books.
But that is exactly what is wrong with the global warming movement. Shock factor exaggeration in order to encourage action and to get more money.
Oreskes exemplifies exactly what the problem is here. Its not global warming. Its the global warming movement.
Hey, Naomi is making a pile of dough from all this, but she’s only following orders…
Another hysteric. I like Andrew Bolt, he’ll nail her.
I was going to make a clever comment, but I won’t.
She could also be a member of P.E.T.A., who don’t believe we should own pets or domestic live stock to eat. Let them all go!
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals
That’s why I belong.
“explosive increases in insect populations”
So, global warming is good from the insect’s perspective.
Locusts, swarms. Copyright, the Bible. Oreskes cuts and pastes old stories rather shamelessly.
Oreskes must contact Ehrlich immediately. By training, Ehrlich is an entomologist. He is going to love this. Hey, insects are people too!
So global warming will solve the problem of meeting peoples need for protein. Bugs is good eating (according to some people)
With the increasing rate of bird kill from the wind farms and now the Ivanpah solar plant, insect populations will increase even if there is no more warming.
If we as a race need to think and plan for a “serious event” it would be the ebola outbreak in Africa. So many infected people are breaking out of “containment” and just walking free (trying at least). If ebola gets in to the slumbs of, say, Lagos in Nigeria, uncontrolled, I’d say WW1, the ‘flu of the 1918’s after WW1, WW2 and all the wars after will pale in comparrison. Althought there is an experimental drug that appears to work.
Influenza can be far more contagious and is contagious when the patient isn’t presenting symptoms.
To misquote John Ruskin: “There is nothing in climate catastrophism that some fool cannot make seem a little worse and sell for a little extra grant”
I love old Ruskin quotes (1819-1900) I used to have this one my office wall:
“It’s unwise to pay too much, but it’s worse to pay too little. When
you pay too much, you lose a little money – that’s all. When you pay
too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you
bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The
common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a
lot – it can’t be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well
to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will
have enough to pay for something better.”
― John Ruskin
I believe he said that around 1856 according to the quote on my office wall.
And next to that:
“Quality is like buying oats. If you want nice, clean, fresh oats, you must pay a fair price.
If you can be satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well that comes a little cheaper.”
Unknown.
And from the depths of an old office drawer: “What’s the difference between a country boy and a Harvard graduate? A country boy has B.. S… on the outside of his shoes.”
Apply where appropriate.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1606.John_Ruskin
“A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small parcel.” – Ruskin
Oh!!!!! Very Nice . . . . find . . . ! Funny selections.
This sort of stuff must make AGW leaning scientists cringe
Not at all. You won’t hear one of the AGW faithful say a word. There were no words after the Antarctic Ship of Fools incident headed by Dr. Chris Turney – indeed, they gave him an award of some kind which was also done after Peter Gleick’s felonious antics and others. No matter how nutty, there will be no criticism from the committed.
That is all.
The “Harvard” brand is not what it used to be. Were I on the Harvard board of directors I would be very concerned…… “do we really want our name to be linked to this person?”
And if I didn’t know better I would have thought that this was satire ….. maybe something from the Onion.
I hope everyone fully appreciated the irony of this quote: “A shadow of ignorance and denial had fallen over people who considered themselves children of the Enlightenment.”
The “Harvard” brand produced Tom Leary back in the 1960’s. Even when they booted him out for failing to teach his classes, he just took the notoriety and made of living out of being notorious for the next 40 years.
I meant Tim Leary, of course.
Leary’s academic work is still praised as being revolutionary in how it redefined personality interpersonally and thus socially, and he mapped interactions out graphically in time. The over zealous government sent G. Gordon Liddy of the Watergate scandal to raid his home. Far from not teaching classes, he was so popular in the psychology department for studying instead of rejecting the biggest breakthrough in consciousness research that the other department professors were lacking graduate students. Tim Leary was a staunch and outspoken skeptic of all authority, his mantra being to “think for yourself and question authority.” He was in no way a fraud or insincere, but a very serious psychologist who went in to become a hero of families relating to slow creep senility of which he joked about in very good humor. He went on to give lectures with Gordon Liddy, actually trying to diffuse the culture war we now suffer. Just as progressives are oppressive tyrants today, so too were conservatives in his era. As John Lennon wrote his California governor campaign song, running against Ronald Reagan, he was suddenly arrested for a joint and sentenced for decades. After the Weathermen helped him escape from the minimum security prison he was assigned to because *he* himself had written the test for prison escape risk (!), he radicalized for several years in a way that helped turn academics against our culture. To this day Drug War red tape profoundly hinders neuroscience.
-=NikFromNYC=-, Ph.D. in chemistry (Columbia/Harvard)
Bull.
Caleb, I’m reminded of that old post about “attention surplus disorder-part two” on your blog.
Drugs aren’t an answer. Maybe a treatment, but not an answer.
And only a very short-term treatment, at that, by people who understand what they are dealing with.
Tim Leary was a false prophet. It amazes me people still buy into his con-artistry even after his death.
When he was at Harvard both my father and stepfather taught there, and my elder brother was a student. Tim Leary liked to party hearty, and to call it “research.”
At age 44 he was notorious for inviting teen aged girls to his parties, and getting them very high, and calling what followed “Research,” as well. Although Harvard was not know for being prudish back then, an unstated reason for Leary’s dismissal involved fathers who were deeply concerned about their own daughters.
I hope I am never judged as harshly as I judge that man, but can’t help myself. I lived through it, and saw brilliant, young minds ruined. About the only good that came out of it all is that I recognize pseudoscience more swiftly, due to exposure at an early age.
Didn’t L Ron Hubbard say “Think for yourself”?
The promotion of “progressive” thought at Harvard over the decades, which is largely about soshulist elites supplanting democracy and free enterprise and the throwing open of the doors widely to all and sundry, diluting and corrupting scholarly pursuit, has this kind of downside. Unhappy, unfulfilled misanthropists pressing to rule the world – ” The European Union announced similar plans for voluntary northward relocation of eligible citizens..”!!!! She and many others of this neurotic group have expressed the need to suspend democracy to deal with the “catastrophe”, to force solutions on the people and to summarily imprison or worse, dissenters.
Yes, indeed, Be very afraid- it will be the end of civilization if we let these characters have their way.
Sounds like the introduction to “War of the Worlds” by H.G. Wells
Intersting cause it was the cold saved us in that book too….
Cold as in climate or as in common?
Due to the exponential growth of a credible skeptical opposition, it’s becoming harder to back the fear campaign with real science. Now they turn to plausible fiction to keep the fear alive.
What’s plausible in her fantasy? At best it’s remotely possible but very unlikely fiction but it’s really about as believable as Sharknado so that would put it in the so stupid it kills brain cells fiction category.
Unless she’s been time-traveling, her book is fiction. As in Sharknado. As in any Guardian issue. As in “just makin’ up stuff.” What’s sad is that an historian can’t tell the past from the future.
In comparison, Paul Ehrlich looks like a reasonable, logical, rational doomsayer, just aways wrong, mostly because he forever extrapolates current processes into the future assuming no changes (like global warmists) and no advancements in agriculture yields, birth rates, etc.
Is Naomi Oreskes thought of just like Ward Churchhill or any other far-left campus speaker? Do people actually take her seriously? If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around does it make a noise? If Naomi Oreskes falls in the middle of Times Square would anyone notice?
“Do people actually take her seriously?”
Robyn Williams seems to…at least enough to give her book a plug on national airtime that would cost many thousands on commercial radio.
Well… Robyn Williams has no name recognition with me but as you pointed out he does have an audience down under.
History professor? Strange, I thought we were to learn from history and history teaches us that none of the doom prophets ever predicted their armageddon correctly.
Barking…the pair of them. Mad as a box of frogs.
She’d probably quite happily laugh at the loony on the street corner proclaiming the end of the world. I think most people are actually laughing at her now. You know you’ve won a public debate when people start laughing at your opponents.
Here in the EU – aka as the Community of Foolery – we have decided to ban vacuum cleaners requirng power above a given wattage in a bid to reduce climate change. They wish to extend this to electric kettles as well. Of course what these fecking idiots don’t seem to realise is that if you wish to boil a litre of water it takes a given amount of energy – the heat capacity of water is fixed – it doesn’t matter what rate the energy is supplied at. So whether you boil it slowly (lower wattage kettle) or quickly (higher wattage kettle) you’ll need the same amount of energy using the similar device. In fact the most important issue when saving money is to use a bigger kettle and make more teas at once as less energy is wasted trough the surface of the kettle.
I think everyone is slowly starting to realises this is a joke.
Only thing, we must keep it a secret that it takes ~six times the energy to make water at 212 F (100C) actually boil. They may put thermostats on the kettles to avoid wasting the additional energy to make your tea. To some, not boiling the water gives a different taste. Gases in the water being evolved in boiling?
If by ‘evolved’ you mean driven out of solution, then sure.
If, however, you mean the more precise chemical definition of evolved, then I don’t think your tea kettle gets hot enough to evolve any gases from the water.
Probably the smaller kettle would use more energy because there would be a longer time for heat to be lost via the exposed metal surfaces. Maybe this is what you meant and I did not interpret your words perfectly.
Ian M
European apparatshiks bureaucrats don’t make jokes. Never ever. Doing so requires some intelligence at least.
Living under “A shadow of ignorance and denial …”
Yep, sounds like a good description of CAGW Alarmists condition..
Sad to think some poor fool is paying 200k plus for people like this to educate their child. When sci-fi is taught as fact, the system has failed from the top down.
The real disaster here related to her citation of potential plagues is how R&D money has been diverted away from medical research and biology to build while departments of climate change along with the Solyandra level boondoggles. Antibiotic resistance is a real threat now, not a hypothetical.
On the money! There are a host of problems not getting needed attention due to resources going to the alarmists.
To be fair, bioscientists of various stripes are trying to game the system, too. The ice bucket challenge tries to increase funding for ALS research at a time when no one has a frigging clue how to seriously make a dent into this problem. Meanwhile, the bacterial resistance problem is not only much larger and more pressing but also much more approachable – we have developed successful antibiotics, and we can do it again if we put our minds to it.
“The ice bucket challenge tries to increase funding for ALS research at a time when no one has a frigging clue how to seriously make a dent into this problem.”
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/27/why-legal-pot-is-better-than-the-ice-buc
“Writing in The Hill, Andrew Gargano talks about an existing, effective way to ameliorate the disease’s devastating symptoms: Medical marijuana.”
Medical marijuana may “ameliorate the symptoms”, at least subjectively, but it will not change the course of the disease.
Not true. It also alleviates the symptoms objectively–and it slows the progress of the disease:
What this illustrates is the “dumbing down” of the media. In days gone by the media would hold this Oreskes feet to the fire. Where’s the credential checking, fact checking, two source required, and your critics are asking media of yesteryear?
What irritates me about Ms. Oreskes and her book is that there are enough people out there who are wedded enough to climate catastrophism to actually buy this book. Watching this woman cash in on the scientific illiteracy of those people this way is enough to make my blood boil.
If she actually believes everything she says in the book, her conscience probably isn’t bothering her much as she does this (if she has a conscience). And if she does believe it all, she is far too disconnected from the scientific reality of the Earth’s climate today to be writing about it in the first place….especially since her background is actually in the field of history.
Unfortunately, this is all to common in academia today for Harvard to see any problem with her and do anything about it.
She’s only partially correct. Only the adorable, loving, gentle, kittens and dogs (the ones with the longing eyes) will die from global warming. The rabid, barking, growling, unbrushed and ungroomed, dogs and cats will not only survive, they’ll increase in range and numbers.
I want to comment here, but I do not believe in using ad hominems when talking about another person. It is just really difficult NOT to use them when speaking about Naomi Oreskes. Okay. Taking a deep breath. Here goes:
Naomi Oreskes is a moron!
Damn!
Wait. Give me a minute. I know I can do this. Okay. Take two:
Naomi Oreskes is a Professor of Science History, but her writings appear to be devoid of any of the lessons one would glean from an understanding of the history of science. These lessons include the importance of skepticism, the essentials of observation, the restriction of emotion and the absolute necessity of rational thinking. She ignores these lessons of science history in all of her arguments. Any credibility she had as a history professor has long since been eroded by her inability to understand science history, and she has never had any credibility as an authority on climate. The only reasonable explanation for her behavior is that Ms. Oreskes has abandoned everything she once new about the history of science in order to embrace a radical agenda of fear mongering for the sake of self aggrandizement.
…And she’s a twit!
(Arrgghh!)
Another victim of Climate Change is 70s Kitch pop group Bonny M.
Their top selling hit By the Rivers of Babylon. Babylon is actually in modern day Baghdad.The rivers they refers too are the Tigress and Euphrates.Apparently some climate experts claim that by 2040 the Tigress and the Euphrates will have completely dried up.So Iraq 2040 another date to keep for your diary.
Bonny M fortunately will still have the royalties from Ra Ra Rasputine Lover of the Russian Queen and Ma Baker.
They only covered Rivers Of Babylon. Old ska and reggae versions of it; great stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Babylon
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=end+of+the+world+as+we+know+it&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=vhkHVKCKJtCq8weQi4HIBw
Talking pop and world disaster here is a video to cheer us all up.
Well, climate change won’t kill our pets per se, but it will force us to eat them, so it’s the same thing, right? /sarc
So where’s Mosh condemning this fact-challenged consensus science?
This is just more of the “Believe in manmade climate change or the kitten gets it” emotional manipulation garbage by people who have no qualms about lying for the Cause, and thus no moral fiber, who know they are losing, and whose response can only be to double and triple down on the lies and emotionalism. Shame? They don’t know the meaning of the word.
whats so upsetting is that there ARE people who do believe this stupid crap!
and not just now, a few years ago a poor elderly woman living alone and frail was worried sick her only companion her dog would suffer from climate change effects and rang in to a vet show to ask how soon should she euthanase her pet to save it the horrible death some absolute bastard agw shill had convinced her was coming. I cried for her and her state of distress.
id like to be in a room with ms oreskes for a few minutes..really I would.
I’m convinced now…. I’ve been converted to climate alarm-ism (sarcasm). Kittens and puppies… oh my! I am pretty sure more kittens and puppies died due to climate in the US last winter than all of the summers of the last decade.
But shouldn’t fewer abandoned kittens die due to global warming? I hear young kittens cannot regulate body temperature and must be kept warm.
I had my suspicions Anthony and here it is!
Though winters came back with a vengeance.
Pet parrots are doomed to thrive in the UK.
She’s a good illustration of the origin of the madness. Fear has clearly overcome whatever reason she ever had in her mind.
Now I don’t really believe that. She has been a vicious power-grabbing ideologue from the gitgo, willing to pervert science and history to her own dark aims. I doubt she believes any of that crap she wants hoi polloi to buy.
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She has invented a new literary genre, catastraphiction
There in Oreskes is the stark evidence that the Great Scam is well into its death spiral. Don’t be tempted to feel sorry for them.
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Sorry – my bad.
A beautiful word, “catastropharians”…
To the point, however, it is good for her that she has no credibility at all. I once encountered a pit bull terrieir that had gotten into by back yard and was making a credible threat on the life of my cat Merlin. I attacked the pit bull bare-handed, but with such fury that it fled and did not ever return. (The cat survived, minus a leg.)
I am not sure if it’s because I’m Irish, or a Texan, or ex-military, but I simply cannot tolerate a credible threat to those I love, even my pets.
Naomi has an incredible gift to speak in a nasally whiney voice spoken in the key of F# screeching cat….
Computer models show that Naomi’s voice, over time and with sufficient decibel forcing, can actually cause dogs and perhaps even certain breeds of long-haired cats to spontaneously combust….
The new movie of Oreskes “Merchants of Doubt” will be released internationally by Sony Pictures this fall.
From eBay founder Jeff Skoll’s social activist Participant Media, producers of “An Inconvenient Truth” (as well a host of more subtle framing and messaging films) it will,
“…lift(s) the curtain on a secretive group of highly charismatic, silver-tongued pundits-for-hire who present themselves in the media as scientific authorities – yet have the contrary aim of spreading maximum confusion about well-studied public threats ranging from toxic chemicals to pharmaceuticals to climate change.”
http://www.participantmedia.com/2014/08/sony-pictures-classics-acquires-worldwide-rights-merchants-doubt/
Big Lies with Big Bucks can get results.
Will the movie rehash this scene from Ghostbusters?
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!
I want to see who plays “silver- tongued- pundit-for-hire”, Anthony Watts.
A list? Let’s!
*She doesn’t hold a science degree.
*She speaks down to others in a condescending tone dripping with arrogance.
*She is welcomed on national radio programs and her words go unquestioned.
*She fictionally writes from the distant future about events she says will happen in the nearer future. (This has become a popular refuge of alarmists as of late, no?)
Yes, this someone the environmentalists hold in high regard. This is the type of “authority” whom we are unworthy to debate or question. This is the class of vile scum who is happily granted a TED talk.
This is the enemy.
‘*She doesn’t hold a science degree.’
According to her Wikipedia bio she does hold a B.Sc. degree from Imperial College, London in … wait for it … Mining Geology. 🙂
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The crazies must be crushed. Figuratively speaking of course.
Why can’t this help?
CO2 cools atmosphere
from: http://www.naturalnews.com/040448_solar_radiation_global_warming_debunked.html
How does it relate to this
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/22/whole-lotta-watts-added-to-the-atmosphere/
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Mlynczak
In Oregon propaganda pandemonium is getting near criminal.
Look at this………
http://www.ktvz.com/news/study-climate-change-warming-northwest/27838688
Study: Climate change warming Northwest
Researchers say rate of human-caused change increasing
CORVALLIS, Ore. –
A new study co authored by an Oregon State University researcher says the annual mean temperature in the Pacific Northwest has warmed by about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit since the early 20th century – a gradual warming trend that has been accelerating over the past 3-4 decades and is attributed to human causes.
The study is one of the first to isolate the role of greenhouse gases associated with regional warming, the authors say. It was published in a recent issue of the Journal of Climate, a publication of the American Meteorological Society.
“Just a 1.3-degree increase has lengthened the ‘freeze-free’ season by 2-3 weeks and is equivalent to moving the snowline 600 feet up the mountain,” Mote added. “At the rate the temperature is increasing, the next 1.3-degree bump will happen much more quickly.”
“Climate is a bit like a symphony where different factors like El Niño, solar variability, volcanic eruptions and manmade greenhouse emissions all represent different instruments,” Abatzoglou said. “At regional scales like in the Northwest, years or decades can be dominated by natural climate variability, thereby muffling or compounding the tones of human-induced warming.
“Once you silence the influence of natural factors,” he said, “the signal of warming due to human causes is clear – and it is only getting louder.”
The researchers also explored but were unable to find any link between warming in the Northwest over the past century and solar variability.
A major concern, the authors say, is that the warming seems to be increasing.
“Climate is complex and you can get significant variations from year to year,” Mote said. “You have to step back and look at the big picture of what is happening over time. Clearly the Northwest, like much of the world, is experiencing a warming pattern that isn’t likely to change and, in fact, is accelerating.
Bless her heart. That child should not be around any clocks. Time would stop.
” a professor of the history of science” – how do I get a sweet boondoggle gig like that?
To be considered as the perfect candidate, one should:
1st: Honestly assess one’s reputation and circumstance, as being somewhat solitary among any number of likewise meretriciously mendacious college professors, spouting the party line, indistinguishable from the rest of the herd.
2nd: Desire to increase one’s standing in the world, from that of lowly harridan, to enriched demimonde.
3rd: Consider the elite money and power behind the scenes, which has promulgated this whole notion that mankind isthe problem of the world.
4th: Apply for the position at Harvard.
That woman has some serious problems
No . . . Just needs a “global replace” of “warming” with “time” . . . then it all makes sense.
I finally figured it out. Like many things the answer was fairly obvious from the get-go, which is probably why it took me so long. Liberals are conservatives that get stuck in puberty.
she does it because stupid people who follow her will buy her book.
Like AGore, AlSharpton, and JJackson, they are using fear and emotion in a hustle for money and fame. Naomi and her ilk are, on one hand, to be rejected in their words, and on the other pitied for being stupid.
There will be an interesting history lesson soon about how Academia squandered its reputation for excellence it buit over hundreds of years only to have institutions like Harvard made into laughing stocks by the lunatics it employs. I don’t mean lunatic in the figurative sense. This teacher (?!) has zero logical sense or understanding of how the world works. She seems incapable of simple observation and simple comparative skills. A child has more sense and most border collies I have met seem to be more skilled at observing the world around them.
The higher education bubble is crashing and it can’t happen soon enough. Time to end the waste and drag on every one else’s productivity. There are simply too many other pressing problems to maintain this legion of parasites.
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Second try. All of the personal attacks really just demean the credibility of the posters and make ” Watts up with that ” look bad. Particularly the comments on Oreskes appearance. It really smacks of sexism too. How many of you pile on Monckton because he has graves disease and his eyes bulge? Maybe we should make fun of Anthony our host because he has hearing loss? This is a classic logical fallacy- ad hominem. Look it up. Shame on you. Some day all of us are going to get sick and die. If we are lucky we get to get old first. Naomi’s arguments are bad enough that we can dump on them- not how she looks.
the old scold
Right you Jim………………
Sorry… Right you are. Jim
I agree, and I’ve removed some of the worst comments, snipped others. The regulars who made those comments (who aren’t moderated) should be ashamed.
You conflate relevant repulsion towards an ugly scowl with sexism, allowing political correctness to reign free instead of be healthily scoffed at. Shaming your regulars is spineless cowardice based on fear of the very poseurs who have declared war on you and in all of us.
Thank you Anthony. You run a first class blog!
NikfromNYC it is not PC. To make an argument you don’t start by saying someone is ugly or stupid. You say their ideas are ugly or stupid.. There is a big and fundamental difference. If you demean someone’s argument because of their sex, “she is an ugly woman” that is sexism
I agree with Slim, Jim and Anthony.
So, anthropogenic climate change is planned abortion of pets, and children too? You do realize that a human life evolves from conception to natural, accidental, or premeditated death (e.g. elective abortion), right?
Just how crazy are the world’s leading global warming alarmists?
I’m not a doctor but I know batshit crazy when I see it. Like JIM above I don’t approve of and disassociate my self from comments about the ditz’s appearance.
While I couldn’t care less about her looks Naomi is Exhibit A in demonstrating we are in an unprecedented era of dumb and dishonest humans in countless positions of academia, governance and policy influence which should have maintained some resistance to such saturation.
History will ultimately judge this era in unfavorable light it deserves.
Seems domestic cats have an ancestral line that goes back to the deserts of the middle east.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070628-cat-ancestor.html
To those commenters who criticize Ms. Oreskes due to her appearance in the radio interview photo, two things:
1. Stop it. There’s plenty of criticism you can level about her lack of logic and substance.
2. I’ve looked far worse when I’ve done radio in the early morning.
I have removed some of the worst offenders. I’ll remove any others like them I see.
It’s really difficult to understand how people like Dr. Oreskes get a platform. She began with a well-received book http://www.amazon.com/The-Rejection-Continental-Drift-American/dp/0195117336 that traced the long path to acceptance of Wegener’s continental drift theory. You’d think she’d recognize a similar suppression of alternative skeptical views in the current AGW debate, but instead she’s become a run-of-the-mill anti-corporatist (anti-tobacco, anti-fossil fuels, anti-chemistry). She can’t or won’t recognize the same enormous vested interests in AGW that she uncovered in the Wegener story. Sad, really. Shameful, Harvard, but I’ll bet Scripps/UCSD was happy to see her go.
She is edging into a delusional break with reality. What she outlined is a fairly well used b-movie / SF story plot.
Good authors know to always beware of their literary devces beocming confused with reality. Naomi, on the other hand, seems to embrace this blending. In the long past ’60’s, the sign of an acid head getting in trouble was when they started speaking back to their hallucinations. Naomi seems well beyond that stage.
Mad as a box of frogs.
Amazon needs to sell Dr. Oreskes’ latest book as half of a two-pack, bundled with Dr. Hansen’s famous similarly futuristic eco-thriller, Storms of My Grandchildren: The Truth About the Coming Climate Catastrophe and Our Last Chance to Save Humanity. At discount pricing of course.
http://www.amazon.com/Storms-My-Grandchildren-Catastrophe-Humanity/dp/1608195023
According to the listing, this paperback release has a bonus:
I’m glad to hear he finally got over his innate shyness and reticence as he had avoided conflict over these important issues throughout his career:
It had such excellent reviews:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2010/01/nasas_prophet_will_give_you_nightmares.html
Powerful stuff. Clearly Dr. Naomi Oreskes’ The Collapse of Western Civilization: A View from the Future deserves to be bundled with Dr. Hansen’s opus, they so wonderfully complement each other.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Collapse-Western-Civilization-Future/dp/023116954X
I wonder if Amazon could be persuaded to do a gift set. I may again have a relative facing a long battle with a terminal illness wondering what is the point of fighting the inevitable, who may appreciate some good reading material.
“The European Union announced similar plans for voluntary northward relocation of eligible citizens from its southernmost regions to Scandinavia and the United Kingdom…”
Oreskes gives a new meaning to ‘imperfect’ and ‘past progressive’ and that’s not limited to the grammatical conjugation in her prognostication.
I just looked around
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Oreskes
and they say
“Oreskes worked on scientific methods, in particular model validation in the Earth sciences.”
So she should be the first person to say, the climate models fail for 17 year in a row now; they’re false or worthless.
But she doesn’t. Now ain’t that funny. I don’t think it is incompetence.
The thread seems to have now attracted those ripe for the following announcement:
Anyone whose mansion with a swimming pool is threatened by rising sea levels and temperatures due to human cause climate change, I consider swapping it with a detached Finnish property on a hill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smoke_sauna.JPG. Furry animals compare to those roaming in the tropics and come with the plot http://www.suurpedot.fi/www/en/index.php. This is a one time offer only. Think of you children. Hurry, you must act now!
The craziest part of all of this climate hysteria is that from the beginning of the 20th century to now, the entire era of the demon CO2, virtually every available measurable metric of malignant weather has been in decline. We will always be subject to subject to vagaries in the weather. I have lived for 65 years in SE Minnesota where on any given day there is always the possibility that the weather will do something that could kill you if you aren’t paying attention. Just over the period of the instrumental record temps have ranged from 110F to -40F. Although we’ve never had a tornado in town, they have hit around the area a number of times and we have had straight line winds in the 65-75 mph range on multiple occasions. Flash floods on the local tributaries are routine as well as to a lesser frequency major floods on the Mississippi. Then, of course, we get to the current time of year and the real deadly possibilities commence.
The point is that to my, admittedly somewhat biased recollection although the data seem to support me, the weather now is generally more benign than when I was a youngster. When I was a kid the local radio stations used to hold annual contests for listeners to send in their guess for the first 100 degree day of the summer. The winners were almost always nontrivial i.e. “there won’t be one” seldom won. That changed in the 70s and the contests faded away.
I just checked thru the 2014 YTD and this summer we had one high of 91F and four days of 90F. The historical average high is 84F for the entire month of July. You may recall the Midwest drought of several years ago, when it was repeatedly suggested that we were all doomed to dry up and blow away. This year at the local muni where I like to play golf you haven’t been allowed to take a golf cart off the cart paths at all for the entire season because the course has been continuously waterlogged. The Mississippi has looked as if the Spring snowmelt has continued all Summer.
To my eye the CAGW crowd’s entire methodology appears to be to take the temperature trend from the late 70s to the late 90s and straight line it out to the horizon and suggest that that is the inevitable future. However, faced with down trends in weather extremes which are much longer, their only response is “wait until manana” when it will not only quit going down but turn upwards in ways that are almost scientifically impossible.
Unfortunately we are now into the third generation of young skulls full of mush who have been victims of our modern propaganda indoctrination system where they have been drilled to believe that what things make them feel is much more important than what they might make them think. This pretty much guarantees that this kind of emotional BS will find a receptive audience.
I think what she means is, “is Old Testament, real wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.” from the movie Ghostbusters
Really . . . then why does it say “and on the seventh day god rested from ALL his work?
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-2-2/
I think he’s been resting ever since.
Craziness of the Week: Naomi Oreskes , and probable for quite a few weeks to come too.
Commenter Ali Babba is now on the banned list for his ugly comment, which has been deleted along with subsequent replies.
She’s a gem for convincing people they have a real threat in green madness characters, not the points or objectives in the tirades themselves. She could single handedly move national polls away from AGW positions. Put her on every evening and during half time shows. The more exposure she gets the more the counter productive the AGW religion gets with all that fire and damnation preaching.
Is Naomi Oreskes a man or a woman?
Sort of looks like Howard Stern with a short haircut. If we watch can we see beautiful women undress and show their tits on stage?
By the laws and judicial decrees of the State of California, they are whatever they say they are. This may include male, female, both, neither, and undecided. If you’re choosy about the plumbing, avoid quick pickups when in California. If a straight male, your best bet is to get a close shave, put on a flannel shirt, go to a lesbian bar, and discuss how as a pre-op you’re nervous and would like to see examples of what it should look like after you get your work done.
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Climate Sceance
Sounds about right
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Silly cult.
Some will back her because they don’t know any better.
Some will back her because what she advocates is a convenient way to achieve their goals.
Some will back her because to not back her would be to admit they are wrong.
The rest? Do they think Jules Verne rather than NASA put the first man on the moon?
Scooby Doo.
The ever-credulous Williams, instead of asking Oreskes, “Mmm, you’re smoking something good?” merely observed that all of the above is “fairly shocking”
I am surprised that anyone is taken aback by this interview.
For at least four decades now the media has invited “credentialed experts” to sit beside hosts and spout hyperbolic falsehoods just so the words can be repeated yet again in public, while the anchor or talk host simply nods. In this way the network crew cannot be found to be liars themselves, they are merely purveyors of the most ghastly brain-garbage… all in the hopes of furthering some agenda thought, by poorly educated teleprompter readers, to be noble. Sadly, repetition equals reality for way too many people in this world.
We use irrigation to water many crops, which of course is vulnerable to planning based on scary water models, and government over-regulation of the water supply. Andrew Bolt thoroughly covered the story of the Wivenhoe Dam and the disasters caused by the use of Global Warming predictions to manage dam water and Desal plants.
If it comes to a drought, better to suffer through it than allow the government to shut down our water supply, control water on private property, and make water an expensive commodity which they control. Talk about Biblical proportions! Now we are talking about disaster! Talk about The Four Horsemen! As the good book says, “Let us now fall into the hand of the LORD for His mercies are great, but do not let me fall into the hand of man.”
Or as Adam Smith said, “It is the violence of well-intentioned governments which turns drought into prolonged dearth.”
Have you considered: :1. Government control over water. 2.Government then privatises water.
3. Water corporations then merge into one multinational global group.
You mean like this?
“Management of entire Perth water supply outsourced to French desalination company”
I have noticed this sort of irrational apocalyptic delusion in several elderly folks, all of whom were well educated. To me, it seems that they have a hard time coming to terms with their own physical decline and mortality; they avoid the direct confrontation and instead misdirect and outwardly project their pain. I have not seen such delusions in people who were at peace with their age and condition.
I can’t find anything on such a connection on PubMed though. Very little on apocalyptic delusions as such, and nothing on connection with age.
“Big Lies with Big Bucks can get results.”
One result they’ll get is a lot of pushback pointing out the flimsiness of this connection to “spreading maximum confusion about well-studied public threats ranging from toxic chemicals to pharmaceuticals.” They’re trying to narrow down the contrarian army of Davids to a few old-time and/or funded figures. It’s a lie by omission. As Judith Curry wrote, the contrarians that are having the most impact are academics and bloggers, not the employees of think tanks. (One early academic example: Aaron Wildavsky. But he’s been smeared as a shill because he was “affiliated” (what’s that mean?) with the Independent Institute.)
The film is also trying to shift the spotlight from the think tank scientists to their employers, tarring the employees with the think tanks’ views on chemicals and pharmaceuticals, which is a diversion unless the film is also claiming that the think tank contrarians are just hired guns who’ll parrot their employers’ views for money. (But Pat Michaels went to a think tank only because he was forced out of the U of VA for his views. And James Taylor says he was making twice his current salary as a lawyer, a job he quit to take up the contrarian cause.)
Bringing up “well-studied toxic chemicals” is double-edged: the film will get pushback about DDT, where the danger-minimizers were correct.
Another common warmist lie-by-omission I’m sure the film will employ is this one from Greenpeace: “Koch foundations contributed over $48 million to climate opposition groups from 1997 to 2008.”
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/Global/usa/report/2010/3/koch-industries-secretly-fund.pdf
Accurately worded, that would be “. . . over $48 million to groups with many positions, one of them being opposition to climate alarmism . . . .” Cato and the George Marshall foundation and others probably devote only 10% or 15% (or maybe only 5%) of their expenditures to climate-related activities. I bet most naive warmists would be shocked to learn that, and how they’ve been misled. The film will give our side a chance to expose that bit of shiftiness far and wide.
Maybe that’s what happened to the Neandertals. Couldn’t go on without kitty./snark
Doesn’t she know that predictions of things happening in a ten year time frame can be judged while you are still around. If you are predicting something make sure your time frame resolves after you and your audience are dead and gone.
Professor of science fiction. My pet is a lovely norwegian forest cat. No sign of danger there, even if the arctic has been the area of the globe where the realtive warming has been highest for the last 50 years. Up here animals, plants and people are thriving, even if the warming stopped some 215 months ago. No heatwaves in sight, no tornados, no extreme weather here. Last one was a snow storm in the middle of summer, but that was back in 1972, and even that lasted only about half an hour.
Someone hand that woman a crystal bowl and a scarf. Her predictions are un-scientific and mid-eval.