Surprise! Glaciers appearing in Scotland

Ben_Nevis

Ben Nevis

Story submitted by Eric Worrall

British Botanists conducting a Summer survey of Scotland’s tallest mountain, Ben Nevis, have been stunned to find evidence of recently formed multi-year ice fields, areas of compacted snow, some of which weigh hundreds of tons.

According to the BBC;

“Hazards common in arctic and alpine areas but described as “extremely unusual” in the UK during the summer have been found on Ben Nevis.

A team of climbers and scientists investigating the mountain’s North Face said snowfields remained in many gullies and upper scree slopes.

On these fields, they have come across compacted, dense, ice hard snow call neve.

Neve is the first stage in the formation of glaciers, the team said.”

The team has also encountered sheets of snow weighing hundreds of tonnes and tunnels and fissures known as bergschrunds.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-28885119

This is how ice ages start – a buildup of snow which does not melt in the Summer, which leads to a positive feedback loop, as the growing ice sheet reflects more and more sunlight back into space.

 

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I guess that doesn’t fit in terribly well with the narrative, does it……Another re-write needed.

CodeTech

No, No, No. Ice stores heat and is the sure sign of CAGW. (Jumps up and down having a tizzy fit)\\
/Sarc

Buy stock in Scottish ski resorts. The upside looks very promising!!!

In summer and autumn 2009, when I visited Scotland, some complained they couldn’t travel to the ski resort the previous season on account of poor roads. I later heard 2010 was a brutal winter. Can anybody provide more info about road conditions leading to ski resorts in Scotland? It seems to me that like Arkansas, the places may be beautiful, but it may be difficult to execute travel.

johnmarshall

I am surprised that the BBC reported this sign of global cooling. Out of character.

David Smith

Oh no! Ice in the summer – it’s extreme weather!
(Runs around waving alarmist hands in the air)

I wonder how old these climbers and scientists were! I used to go rock climbing in Scotland quite a lot back in the 70s and 80s. It was nothing unusual to see patches of old hard snow that had survived the summer in North facing corries and gullies On one occasion, as late as August 1990, it was quite difficult to get to the start of my chosen climb on Ben Nevis because of a small bergschrund!

Reg. Blank

A sure sign of warming. Obviously there’s so much heat the missing heat has been transferred to the bottom of the mountain.

No surprise at all, Scotland’s temperatures are strongly affected by the Iceland Low, a semi-permanent atmospheric pressure system, while the precipitation is in the equal measure affected by the N. Atlantic SST (AMO).
Relationship Icelandic Low – AMO

MattN

That’s rather inconvenient.

Looks like the 1974 CIA report may be on right track.
How the Eugenicist 1%s who have birthed, marketed & profited from this deadly scam must be laughing.
They’ve been selling the World global warming caused by deadly plant food, while a very possible New Little Ice Age approaches.
Holdren & Ehrlich will also be pleased.

Jimbo

As I noted yesterday:

22, 2014
For U.K., Europe, It’s One of the Chilliest Augusts in Decades; Snow Possible in Scottish Highlands
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/uk-europe-cold-august-scotland-20140819

As Dr. David Viner of CRU said in 2004…….
“Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry.”

hunter

Of course this is as predicted by climate scientists and is consistent with global warming.

Jared

Another sign of global warming. The world is so hot that the little cold left huddles up in small places like mountains creating glaciers. It’s worse than we thought.

Richard

The Old Farmer’s Almanac Editor Janice Stillman predicts ‘Super-Cold’ Winter, More Snow In Eastern U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/farmers-almanac-cold-winter_n_5695761.html
Global Warming!

I hope the next Ice Age does not materialize before the Earth is finished Rebounding from the weight of the last Ice Age Glaciers. I certainly hope that Post Glacial Rebound will be debunked before that anyway. Am I talking to myself.?

Everything is caused by global warming/climate change/climate disruption so it must have some rational AGW explanation.
Let’s see!
Warm air causes more water vapor to stay in the air which leads to more evaporation. Because of the high latitude and altitude of the mountains of Scotland this precipitation arrive mostly as snow.
If it is too much, it won’t all melt during summer which then leads to ice to accumulate. This then cause the ice to expand.
But wait, this could cause a new ice age caused by global warming.
We’re all doomed!

Jimbo

The demise of the Scottish ski industry is not new. Viner was right! 14 years after his infamous statement and 10 years after his pronouncement of the death of the Scottish ski industry we had these weather reports.

3 June 2014
Mountaineering council warns of snow risk on Ben Nevis
It said that while it was warm enough down in Fort William to wear t-shirts, wintry conditions persisted at the summit of Britain’s tallest mountain.
……………..
MCofS said there had been “exceptional snowfalls” over high ground in winter.

Scottish skiing is headed for doom.

Jan 2010
Scottish ski resort closes because of too much snow

Bruce Cobb

One site.

ConfusedPhoton

“Neve is the first stage in the formation of glaciers”
Formation of glaciers is not inconsistent with global warming.
A few runs of the millions of GCM’s projections show glaciation – so it must be true! Can’t be any other explanation!

CR Carlson

The other day while watching the usaprocyclingchallenge event stage where they were in Breckenridge Colorado, the camera’s showed local mountains. There were many areas near the peaks with older snow pack. Most ski areas there have climate change (global warming) departments which I find strange, but isn’t surprising given the current levels of political correctness and junk science pervasive in our culture and even ski resorts need to pander to the Cause. It’s such a shame that Goddess Gaia hasn’t gotten the memo. I wonder how St. Mary’s Glacier near Golden is faring, having skied it in the Summer months in the ’70’s.

We had unprecedented amounts of snow last winter on Scottish mountains 😉 The winter storms that [thrashed] England fell as snow in Scotland above 600 m. It was not a cold winter with little to no frost in Aberdeen. August is normally the height of summer in Scotland but we had 3˚C last night with rural frosts. The snow on Ben Nevis will be freezing hard.
Anthony, did you get my email about Earth’s Wandering Magnetic Field?
http://euanmearns.com/the-laschamp-event-and-earths-wandering-magnetic-field/

Jimbo

This is how ice ages start – a buildup of snow which does not melt in the Summer, which leads to a positive feedback loop, as the growing ice sheet reflects more and more sunlight back into space.

I know this but they will still blame man. They will simply go back to their 1970s statements and say that were were right but for the wrong reasons.
Here is someone who appears to have never changed his tune since the 1970s. Let’s hope he’s wrong.

sciences360 – March 28, 2011
Prepare for new Ice Age now says Top Paleoclimatologist
The “Earth has experienced an ongoing cycle of ice ages dating back millions of years. Cold, glacial periods affecting the polar to mid-latitudes persist for about 100,000 years, punctuated by briefer, warmer periods called interglacials,” Kukla says.
Co-author of an important section of the book “Natural Climate Variability on Decade to Century Time Scales,”
Kukla asserts all Ice Ages start with a period of global warming. They are the harbingers of new Ice Ages
. Actually, he explains, warming is good. Ice Ages are deadly and may even kill millions.
http://www.sciences360.com/index.php/prepare-for-new-ice-age-now-says-top-paleoclimatologist-5899/

But the carbonphobes have assured me that 400ppm or 1,000ppm can stop the next ice age. Amazing stuff despite an ice age when co2 was well over 3,000ppm. We must act now!

dearieme

I like the idea of being able to glissade in summer. Hurray!

Doug Jones

Oops- typo in title- Surpise should be Surprise. (I know, I know, I make the same typo myself waaay too often.)

SandyInLimousin

johnmarshall says:
August 24, 2014 at 4:15 am
It’s well hidden, try to find it in Sci/Environment or any of the UK News pages without using the link in the article or the searching the site for jGlacier-like hazards. If you can then I’d be quite surprised. It’s been well hidden since it was put on the BBC site.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

The glaciers will grow, the weight will force Scotland down into the crust, causing the sea levels at the coasts to rise as detected by the sensitive satellites. Which will be reported in the Grauniad and on MSNBCUL8TR as proof positive the Catastrophic Alarming Climate Activity is real, resumed, and very serious!
I await the breathless reports of the terrible toll among the Scottish seagull populations from the growing loss of beach habitat as the offshore wind turbines sometimes rotate in the background.

Has Al Gore been to Nevis in Scotland recently? That would explain it.

Jimbo

Surprise!

ScotlandNow – 23 August 2014
Pensioner discovers 120-metre long glacier in Scotland
…..“Last winter there was especially heavy snowfall up on the mountains and drifts many metres deep were formed in some places, which have lasted well into the summer……

But Viner said in 2004

“Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry.”

The new ice age has begun! Save children and the elderly first.

ralphcramdo

NO NO NO! It MUST be global warming producing glacers. The warm weather causes moisture that forms on a colder surface which creates ice and that becomes glacers and blah blah blah….

Travis Casey

I don’t care what these guys observed in the real world. What do the models say?

Bill_W

I predict, oops I mean project that all crocodiles in Scotland will soon be extinct.
If this occurs it is a sure sign of global warming, oops I mean climate change.

Obviously, this is simply another sign of Climate Change. As everything is a sign of Climate Change a new ice age must be a sign of it too.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Doug Jones said on August 24, 2014 at 5:16 am:

Oops- typo in title- Surpise should be Surprise. (I know, I know, I make the same typo myself waaay too often.)

Ah man, you spoiled it before the contest was officially announced today! Starting with those published today, you’re to make a list of all the hidden title typos. Once you have 18 (to celebrate the practically-18 years without global warming), you submit it for verification, and if you found them all first you’ve won and will be emailed the prize, the coveted Watts Golden Finger picture, now with Kenji pawprint insert.
But now that you blabbed the first one to everyone, they have to scrap the announcement and will reschedule for a later date. Thanks a lot, bud.

Stephen Richards

johnmarshall says:
August 24, 2014 at 4:15 am
I am surprised that the BBC reported this sign of global cooling. Out of character
I think this may have been the result of a secret meeting, at the BBC, with some sceptics and they have decided to prepare the way for an AGW bail-out. 🙂

kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 24, 2014 at 5:21 am
The glaciers will grow, the weight will force Scotland down into the crust, causing the sea levels at the coasts to rise as detected by the sensitive satellites.
====================================
It could even cause Scotland to tip over.

Richard

Assuming this trend continues:
First it’s existence will be denied.
Then, overwhelming evidence will convince even the most die hard globalwarmist, and they’ll stutter excuses for its existence.
Finally, they’ll claim it was actually a predicted result of human-generated CO2 and is caused by global warming.

AndyZ

I was going to post my own playful comment on how this is a sure sign of cataclysmic global warming, but everyone else has done a great job so far. I am interested to see how this is actually explained away by alarmists. If anyone picks up a paper on that subject I would love to see it posted here.

joelobryan

With the incipient volcanic winter looming for Scottish Highlands, they have an excuse for cooling on the way.

John Peter

As David Johnson says August 24, 2014 at 4:30 am
“I wonder how old these climbers and scientists were! I used to go rock climbing in Scotland quite a lot back in the 70s and 80s. It was nothing unusual to see patches of old hard snow that had survived the summer in North facing corries and gullies On one occasion, as late as August 1990, it was quite difficult to get to the start of my chosen climb on Ben Nevis because of a small bergschrund!”.
Too early to get too exited about this. Seen snow in Scottish mountains before in August and snow as well before CAGW became the “in thing” for certain people.

David Smith

“Kate Forney on August 24, 2014 at 5:54 am says:
…It could even cause Scotland to tip over”
Oh noes! It’s the tipping point that Gore and Hansen have warned us about!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist 😉

David Smith

“Bruce Cobb on August 24, 2014 at 5:02 am says:
One site.”
And one more reason to laugh at Prof Viner h/t Jimbo

I sense the advent of CAGC (catastrophic anthropogenic global cooling). We must all listen to the climate scientists and obey the politicians for whom they work or we shall all surely die as the planet is destroyed by ice!

G. Karst

Global warming is the greatest threat to mankind. The warmer temps will cause us all to freeze to death. I have it on the best AUTHORITY… 97% of our best climate scientists. Who are y’all, to say different. GK

Robert of Ottawa

This is not good news.

It looks like a good time to look at Pope’s Climate Theory
http://popesclimatetheory.com/
On the index page, there is a Short Version. Here is a link to the first page of the short version.
http://popesclimatetheory.com/page56.html
I do explain that Snow falls in the Warm Times when there is Ocean Effect Snow and then, after enough snow falls and enough ice advance, it does get cold again.
Cold periods always follow Warm Periods, ever since Warm Water got into the Polar Regions.
Let me know what you think of My Theory.

urederra

fenbeagleblog says:
August 24, 2014 at 4:07 am
I guess that doesn’t fit in terribly well with the narrative, does it……Another re-write needed.

That is why they changed the motto from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’

Robert of Ottawa

It seems to me that Ben Nevis is pidgeon portugues for Bens Neves, or good snows. Is this a folk memory of a visit by Vasco de Gama?

A bit off topic, but in the “you knew it was going to happen” department:
Riots in Ferguson caused by Climate Change!!!
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/23/You-thought-there-was-no-possible-link-between-Ferguson-and-climate-change-Think-again
(from 350 dot org, natch)

Jeff

First Hadrian’s wall, now this….they really DO want independence, don’t they 🙂 (OK, I know it’s not really on the border, but close…).
Now I can see folks queueing up for Haggis-sicles….(ouch….)…