That is a question that I’m sure is on a lot of people’s minds as they wonder if they should attend. It seems like the sort of thing warmists would do – go someplace hot, talk about how hot it is, and then hope a new record is set while there to underscore the importance of saving the planet from hotter and hotter days. It’s a PR flack’s dream.
But, expectations and reality in the climate debate are often far different, and it is that difference that makes Las Vegas a perfect place to discuss temperature, climate, and global warming, as I show below. First, let’s look at the potential for new record highs during the days of the ICCC9 conference:
Here are the records for early July during the conference, it would have to exceed 114/113 to have a new record. The normal high is 104 for the dates of July 7/8/9:
As you can see there has been a warming trend in average temperature for Las Vegas, something sure to be pounced on:
But, it turns out that most of that trend is in overnight temperatures, which are most affected by the explosive growth of Las Vegas and the resultant UHI (1):
Inconveniently, there is no upward trend in maximum temperatures, in fact it appears there has been a slight downward trend since the late 1930’s and early 1940’s:
There also seems to be no increase in record high temperatures beyond the levels first noted when record keeping began in 1937, no new maximum temperature records have exceeded the 117 degree record set on July 24th, 1942 (2):
All in all, I think Las Vegas is PERFECT place to have a climate conference, because it shows that expectations of warming and the reality of data just don’t match.
I’ll be there and I’ll be giving a final report on our SurfaceStations project and what we’ve found. Registration is here is you want to attend: http://climateconference.heartland.org/
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References:
(1) Summary Report, Urban Heat Island Effect, City of Las Vegas, Office of Sustainability, April 2010
From: http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/files/UHI_Report_2010-2.pdf
(2) Source for data: NOAA/NWS Las Vegas, from
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/climate/LasVegasClimateBook/index.php
Because what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
The press coverage will confirm this.
I’ve only ever had a decent view of the Milky Way once in my like, at night in the desert near Vegas. I’d recommend it to anyone who thinks Mankind is smart enough to predict the future of the climate.
Given a choice of Hoboken or Las Vegas, it’s a no brainer. Hardly anyone goes outdoors during the day in Las Vegas (or anywhere south of Flagstaff, Arizona for that matter) and the nightlife is the best.
Something that CAN be done during the day is take a tour of Bonneville dam. Allow plenty of time and I think you can obtain reservations or tickets in advance since the lines can be rather long.
Great question. Last summer we had over 110 degrees. So far this year we have seen 104 at my place. Typical temperatures in Las Vegas Valley. Holding an event such as this here is one more example of climate nutter-ology.
MikeUK says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:30 pm
I’ve only ever had a decent view of the Milky Way once in my like, at night in the desert near Vegas. I’d recommend it to anyone who thinks Mankind is smart enough to predict the future of the climate.
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Mike – I agree.
I’ve been at sea, and had an occasional good view of the Milky Way.
It does put the ship – never mind its crew – into perspective . . .
Indeed, the Seas and Oceans do, very adequately!
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Would be interesting to combine a chart of population growth with the temperature charts to see if there is any correlation.
Because Climate Skeptics/Realists, unlike Warmists, know that weather is not climate.
How many outdoor pools have been built in Las Vegas in the last 40-50 years?
“it turns out that most of that trend is in overnight temperatures”
Carbon Dioxide is just a snuggly blanket gas keeping us warm at night,
You hold a conference in Las Vegas because it is probably the cheapest place to fly to and stay at in North America.
If this meeting really was being supported by millions of petro-dollars, you could have all gone to Bali – no, wait, that was the publicly-funded IPCC wasn’t it. Or how about Copenhagen, with probably the most expensive restaurants in Europe – nope IPCC again.
Well done for choosing Vegas, but remember at the tables – the House always wins. Kinda like the fixed odds the concensus scientists use for their models….
Las Vegas holds climate skeptics conference.
Pottstown holds Hobo conference
Reason, Pottstown had first choice!
Fear.
Mandalay Bay is an inspired choice. Hands down, they have the hottest pool scene in Vegas. The Lazy Lagoon river pool goes on it’s course ’round and ’round. Grab a float and place you cooler near the edge. As you go around, grab a fresh drink every 2 laps or so. Then there is the beach in front of the huge Wave Pool. Surfs Up! And of course, palm trees everywhere. It’s a tropical paradise in the middle of the desert. Top things off at the lounge at the top of THE Hotel. Truly spectacular views of the strip and the distant mountains. No better place to study the effects of Global Warming, at least in the summer.
Cheers, All.
Michael 2; Something that CAN be done during the day is take a tour of Bonneville dam.
You won’t get back in time for dinner…
: > )
State Fram Ins. /Allstate/ Farmers Ins. / Progressive, show you car wrecks, hail storms and tornados.
John Hancock shows you a widow who can not feed her kids or pay the mortage.
Greenpeace/Earth First and the Maxist Democrat tax and spend cult of CO2 fraud shows you much the same, water facets on fire, water wells gone bad via fracking, dirty rivers, smog, all to scare you into buying into the fraud.
Very much a gaggle of Marxist “tin men” on the make for taxes to spend on a high time in glitter land.
Some one like the project verteris needs to infiltrate the deal and put up you tube vidios of what the talk to one another about at the leg shows and such after say 2:00 AM.
Recon wins wars.
But it’s a dry heat…
WUWT says, “All in all, I think Las Vegas is PERFECT place to have a climate conference, because it shows that expectations of warming and the reality of data just don’t match.
I’ll be there and I’ll be giving a final report on our SurfaceStations project and what we’ve found.”
I don’t believe I have ever been so tempted to go to Vegas in my life! (:
Remember your mission and stay out of the Lotus Eaters Casino though:
Don’t make me have to come down there and get you out. (;
Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief, Lotus Flower Scene dur. 2:15 minutes
MikeUK says:
I’ve only ever had a decent view of the Milky Way once in my like, at night in the desert near Vegas. I’d recommend it to anyone who thinks Mankind is smart enough to predict the future of the climate.
This really puts mankind into perspective. [Hubble, Deep Field]
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Anyone going to Vegas who wants a thrill should try out some of the roller coasters. The one at NewYorkNewYork is worthwhile. Wear your Depends.
And yes, Mandalay Bay is a great deal, only about one-third what you would pay anywhere else for a comparable room. But of course, they make it up at the tables. Keep in mind that those $billion buildings weren’t paid for by winners. ☺
Anthony,
It isn’t just Vegas.
This is average anomaly for daily Mn and Mx temps.
I’m sure there’ll be “they’re gambling with our children’s future” alarmist jokes…
The global warming *cam is all about stealing people’s money and using it to live the high life, so a conference in Vegas is perfect for them.
Oops. I read that wrong.
The links got lost.
Global Min and Max average anomaly.
North America and Eurasia Mn/Mx.
South America, Africa, Australia Mn/Mx.
Anthony – I’ve just registered and looking forward to seeing you in Las Vegas. I used to live in Phoenix, and 104 doesn’t sound too bad. Fortunately, electricity rates haven’t skyrocketed yet, so there will be plenty of air conditioning.
Simple.
Because Las Vegas is HOT (comprende?) and another sucker is footing the bill
Las Vegas is a great location for gambling with other peoples money.
No doubt the attendees other costs will also be paid for out of someone elses pocket.
Tez says:
No doubt the attendees other costs will also be paid for out of someone elses pocket.
Can you back that up?
You must think this is like the UN/IPCC, or one of the COP junkets.
Michael 2 says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Boulder, aka Hoover, Dam???
“Something that CAN be done during the day is take a tour of Bonneville dam. Allow plenty of time and I think you can obtain reservations or tickets in advance since the lines can be rather long. . . . . . ”
Since Bonneville Dam is about 40 east of Portland, Oregon, and about a thousand miles from Las Vegas, you certainly should “allow plenty of time”!!
However, if you are satisfied with just visiting Hoover Dam — that’s only about 30 miles or so from Las Vegas, and is quite worth the drive and the tour. . . . if for nothing else then to view the spectacular new bridge over the canyon about a quarter mile below the dam.
Definitely looks like UHI would be the main factor in warming trends across the world.
Meanwhile, Accuweather has a popular article proclaiming the warmest May ever in the temperature records. I think the hype surrounding the so-called climate crises is going to continue until we see a good burst of downward momentum on the temperatures (to make it impossible for even a logical person to to say the warmest anything on record without looking foolish).
And here’s the article in case anyone wants to take a whack at it (some of these results surprise me because there seems to be some mismatches from what I remember of the average May short-term temp. outlooks from WXmaps biased towards warmth).
http://www.accuweather.com/en/home-garden-articles/earth-you/highest-global-temps-on-record/29256730
They should focus the Conference around the UHI (Urban Heat Island) effect…
Vegas is obviously affected by it… but dummies on the Warmist side refuse to look beyond their Temp Chart in this case… “Nope, its getting hotter in Vegas …”
My handy smart phone says the highs for July 7/8/9 are expected to be 108/108/113. On the very generous assumption that any forecast that is 13 days out has a chance of being correct, it looks like July 9 might possibly tie for high temperature. I’m not making book on that, however.
Looking at the chart, I can’t help but ask, why the “normal lows” are substantially colder than the “record lows?”
dbstealey says:
June 24, 2014 at 1:06 pm
But it’s a dry heat
Yeah but you don’t stick your head in an oven either do you? ☺
Ben Wilson says: However, if you are satisfied with just visiting Hoover Dam …
Another reason to visit the dam is to pay homeage to Mr. Hoover, who, as president, authorized the building of the dam and who, as an engineer, had a hand in designing it. He also had a huge hand in the interstate Colorado River Compact (1922), which defined the state-by-state allocations of water from the Colorado River, and which gave the dam a purpose in maintaining the water allocations. So it was a no-brainer that the dam would be named after Hoover. However, Roosevelt’s liberals refused to recognize the name of the man whom they demonized to win the 1932 elections, so it wasn’t until 1947 that the name became official (after Republicans regained the House, but signed by Truman).
Mr. Hoover had a degree in Geology from Stanford, and is the last president to have direct knowledge and an active interest in science (although Truman read the daily weather map each morning, according to an article in Weatherwise at the time). He translated Georgius Agricola’s 1556 tome “De re metallica” from the Latin, something I doubt any president since could do.
The Bureau of Reclamation has some good stories about Hoover on their dam web site:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/service/index.html
About Hoover: http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/History/articles/hhoover.html
About the dam’s name: http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/History/articles/naming.html
Edit: “Here are the records for early July, it ↑ have to exceed 114/113 to have a new record.” would
Sandi says:
June 24, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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Looking at the chart, I can’t help but ask, why the “normal lows” are substantially colder than the “record lows?”
Um, look at the record low minimums, not the maximums.
Life is much less confusing if you read ALL the words.
Blessed warmth. It’s a chilly 75 F here in Calgary today. I do miss the 90+ F temps of my old stomping grounds in southern Arizona.
Las Vegas makes up .0000006565% of the earth’s surface. (131.3 sq mi / 200,000,000sq mi) How can anyone pounce on a temperature change in such a tiny area when the debate is about global temperature? It would be disingenuous at best. Besides, we all know that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Including the temperature.
Nope, we locals don’t go outside much during the daytime in the Vegas summer. Nights are great, and anytime you’re not in the direct sunlight it’s comfortable, or it’s comfortable if you’re sitting in the shade poolside with a cool beverage in hand.
Why Vegas? Great facilities, great airport with a location convenient to the Strip and lots of things to do when you’re not attending to the conference. If you don’t like gambling, there’s plenty of things to do off-Strip, like visit Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, hike in the Valley of Fire or Red Rock Canyon or take a day-trip to the Grand Canyon.
Freedom Fest is in town July 9-12, too. (http://freedomfest.com/). Coincidence?
They’ve been watching old Futurama episodes. The one where Bender says, “I’m going to have my own (insert thing). With gambling and hookers. On second thought forget the gambling.”
Yes Anthony and I will be among the speakers. But look at this:
One of the most frequent posters on WattsUpWithThat is on the speakers list:
Willis Eschenbach
Climate researcher
Willis Eschenbach is a well-known independent climate researcher, posting regularly on two science blogs, ClimateAudit and Watts Up With That. His climate work has been cited in newspapers around the world, including The New York Times, the Guardian, the Australian Herald-Sun, and the London Telegraph. His motto is “Retire early … and often,” and he has worked at dozens of different trades. He worked as a consultant to the Peace Corps and the U.S. Agency for International Development on village-level use of renewable energy in more than 20 countries. He spent 17 of the past 25 years living and working (and surfing) on various islands in the South Pacific and currently resides in Northern California.
To see the full list of speakers go to:
http://climateconference.heartland.org/speakers/
Brian H says:
Um, look at the record low minimums, not the maximums.
Life is much less confusing if you read ALL the words.
Doh: Facepalm
Finally – a meeting where they will not suffer through an unseasonal snow or ice storm.
Perhaps someone could turn off the air-conditioning during the conference, just for a little reassurance.
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&daddr=Death+Valley+National+Park,+Death+Valley,+CA+92328&saddr=Las+Vegas,+NV&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&geocode=KdF99aSCt76AMaN5s9Xm1cw6;KUeKrnZ3S8eAMVSw8nt88MnM&dirflg=d&sa=X&ei=QAGqU_FJw4yoBtzAgugC&ved=0CC0Q-A8wAA
Meanwhile, 132 miles by car to the west stands the world’s high temperature record set 101 years ago this July 10, 2014. Last year, on the 100th anniversary, the National Weather Service reported “On July 10, 1913, a temperature of 134 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded here, which stands as the hottest air temperature ever recorded on a properly sited and maintained thermometer anywhere in the world.” When the conference ends, I propose a road trip.
Was looking at the Excalibur Hotel/Casino – the dates 7,8 & 9 rates are less than $40/night. – trouble is I remember (when I was at a PCB/SMT Printed Circuit Board/Surface Mount Technology trade show there) I woke up one morning, lifted my head and was staring at a slot machine. Probably had slept there for 5 or 6 hours… It was a tough day on the trade show floor. Beware of Las Vegas…
Was looking for something else but came across UHI study for Toronto dating back to 1840 and extrapolating backwards to 1778 America.
http://www.cmos.ca/CB/cb240103.pdf#page=15&zoom=auto,-198,523
oops
http://www.cmos.ca/CB/cb240103.pdf#page=1
If it wasn’t for Will Carrier and his “Apparatus for Treating Air” there would be no Las Vegas, as we know it. Maybe the warmist flock could get off their gravy train and invent another apparatus for treating air to take CO2 out of the atmosphere.
John @ 5:31 pm
R744 is a CO2 refrigerant
John Of Cloverdale WA, Australia says:
June 24, 2014 at 5:31 pm
“Maybe the warmist flock could get off their gravy train and invent another apparatus for treating air to take CO2 out of the atmosphere.”
I read something about that apparatus, it is, I think, called “a tree”?
When you get out of the water in any of the pools at the Mandalay you will discover what “it’s a dry heat” really means. The evaporation rate will cool you instantly, sometimes more than you like at night. You all are pansies. Traveling from Yuma, AZ, to Las Vegas in summer I always enjoy the temperature drop, especially in the evenings.
Why go to a climate conference where there AREN’T oodles of wine, women and songs??!!
As expected, to ensure warming, weather stations appear to be at the airports:
Las Vegas (McCarran International Airport)
Las Vegas (Nellis Air Force Base)
SpeedOfDark says:
June 24, 2014 at 8:39 pm:
“I read something about that apparatus, it is, I think, called “a tree”?”
Hopefully God got a big healthy Government grant and massive subsidies for setting up the pilot plants.
They go there for the prostitutes. They’ve been screwin everybody else….why stop now!
Living in the tropics (OK, 2 degrees south of the tropics), the answer is obvious – because cold weather sucks 🙂
Rob says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:52 pm
> You hold a conference in Las Vegas because it is probably the cheapest place to fly to and stay at in North America.
I figured it would be easy to arrange flights to Las Vegas from the east coast, but wound up not finding any great deals or sensible times. I’ll be getting there around the start of reception and will have a fair amount of time after the last talk before the red eye home. Oh well, it will be easy to catch the bus from Boston to Concord NH, as it will be daytime on both ends.
The better deal is $80 per night. The fine print says “plus hefty] tax” and “daily $25 resort fee plus [the same hefty] tax.” I haven’t figured out what in the resort fee is particular to the resort. If they said shark food or salt water treatment plant that would be one thing, but it’s for internet access and preprinted boarding passes….
However, it is a good deal overall. I’m looking forward to this more than the last ICCC I went to in Washington.
Air conditioning, Hoover Dam/Lake Mead and a steady influx of tourists from southern California make Las Vegas possible.
Why wouldn’t they want to come to Vegas for any reason? Other than it’s really hot in the summer, I mean.
What’s the point?
Likely the price was right, some organizers wanted to see shows, and travel to Churchill or beyond is expensive. (Accomodation limited as well, have to erect tents on the tundra – and chase off the polar bears that warmists claim aren’t there.
Do you think the missus would believe me if I
Told her i was going to vegas for a sceptic conferance?
I wonder how much of the Gore effect will bleed off and reach Phoenix. We have been running between 105 and 110 and could use a little cooling and with a little rain it would be heaven.
Want to escape the heat and craziness of Las Vegas while at the conference? Take a short excursion up to the Mount Charleston Resort. Have lunch and a group Polka sing-out. Take a buggy ride. Cool your heels. I love that place. You will too.
As hot as it is in Las Vegas in July, Its still thriving. Its still draws people, and most importantly, has not been destroyed by temps that are higher than most of the rest of the US, and World.
Even if Global Warming were happening (doubtful), and even if it were due to manmade causes (questionable even if due to CO2 or UHI), Las Vegas has addapted to the Heat, and quite frankly, thrives in one of the hottest and dryest climates in the world. I think its proof that even if Global Warming were happening (again doubtful), mankind’s best solution would be to adapt, not criple its own economy to make a feeble attempt to maybe fix it.
Who knows, maybe next winter, I’ll take a vacation from the brutal winters we have been having here in Michigan, and go enjoy some warm weather.
Yeah, you go with that line and she’ll likely give you all the “sceptic” you can handle and then some.