Why would climate skeptics hold a conference in HOT Las Vegas?

ICCC9_bannerThat is a question that I’m sure is on a lot of people’s minds as they wonder if they should attend. It seems like the sort of thing warmists would do – go someplace hot, talk about how hot it is, and then hope a new record is set while there to underscore the importance of saving the planet from hotter and hotter days. It’s a PR flack’s dream.

But, expectations and reality in the climate debate are often far different, and it is that difference that makes Las Vegas a perfect place to discuss temperature, climate, and global warming, as I show below.  First, let’s look at the potential for new record highs during the days of the ICCC9 conference:

Here are the records for early July during the conference, it would have to exceed 114/113 to have a new record. The normal high is 104 for the dates of July 7/8/9:

July_LasVegas_records

As you can see there has been a warming trend in average temperature for Las Vegas, something sure to be pounced on:

LasVegas_average_temps

But, it turns out that most of that trend is in overnight temperatures, which are most affected by the explosive growth of Las Vegas and the resultant UHI (1):

LasVegas_lows

Inconveniently, there is no upward trend in maximum temperatures, in fact it appears there has been a slight downward trend since the late 1930’s and early 1940’s:

LasVegas_highs

There also seems to be no increase in record high temperatures beyond the levels first noted when record keeping began in 1937, no new maximum temperature records have exceeded the 117 degree record set on July 24th, 1942 (2):

LasVegas_high_records

All in all, I think Las Vegas is PERFECT place to have a climate conference, because it shows that expectations of warming and the reality of data just don’t match.

I’ll be there and I’ll be giving a final report on our SurfaceStations project and what we’ve found. Registration is here is you want to attend: http://climateconference.heartland.org/

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References:

(1) Summary Report, Urban Heat Island Effect, City of Las Vegas, Office of Sustainability,  April 2010

From:  http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/files/UHI_Report_2010-2.pdf

(2) Source for data: NOAA/NWS Las Vegas, from

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/climate/LasVegasClimateBook/index.php

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AnonyMoose

Because what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
The press coverage will confirm this.

MikeUK

I’ve only ever had a decent view of the Milky Way once in my like, at night in the desert near Vegas. I’d recommend it to anyone who thinks Mankind is smart enough to predict the future of the climate.

Michael 2

Given a choice of Hoboken or Las Vegas, it’s a no brainer. Hardly anyone goes outdoors during the day in Las Vegas (or anywhere south of Flagstaff, Arizona for that matter) and the nightlife is the best.
Something that CAN be done during the day is take a tour of Bonneville dam. Allow plenty of time and I think you can obtain reservations or tickets in advance since the lines can be rather long.

Great question. Last summer we had over 110 degrees. So far this year we have seen 104 at my place. Typical temperatures in Las Vegas Valley. Holding an event such as this here is one more example of climate nutter-ology.

MikeUK says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:30 pm
I’ve only ever had a decent view of the Milky Way once in my like, at night in the desert near Vegas. I’d recommend it to anyone who thinks Mankind is smart enough to predict the future of the climate.
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Mike – I agree.
I’ve been at sea, and had an occasional good view of the Milky Way.
It does put the ship – never mind its crew – into perspective . . .
Indeed, the Seas and Oceans do, very adequately!
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sadbutmadlad

Would be interesting to combine a chart of population growth with the temperature charts to see if there is any correlation.

Bruce Cobb

Because Climate Skeptics/Realists, unlike Warmists, know that weather is not climate.

MattN

How many outdoor pools have been built in Las Vegas in the last 40-50 years?

tmitsss

“it turns out that most of that trend is in overnight temperatures”
Carbon Dioxide is just a snuggly blanket gas keeping us warm at night,

Rob

You hold a conference in Las Vegas because it is probably the cheapest place to fly to and stay at in North America.
If this meeting really was being supported by millions of petro-dollars, you could have all gone to Bali – no, wait, that was the publicly-funded IPCC wasn’t it. Or how about Copenhagen, with probably the most expensive restaurants in Europe – nope IPCC again.
Well done for choosing Vegas, but remember at the tables – the House always wins. Kinda like the fixed odds the concensus scientists use for their models….

Las Vegas holds climate skeptics conference.
Pottstown holds Hobo conference
Reason, Pottstown had first choice!

Fear.

TonyL

Mandalay Bay is an inspired choice. Hands down, they have the hottest pool scene in Vegas. The Lazy Lagoon river pool goes on it’s course ’round and ’round. Grab a float and place you cooler near the edge. As you go around, grab a fresh drink every 2 laps or so. Then there is the beach in front of the huge Wave Pool. Surfs Up! And of course, palm trees everywhere. It’s a tropical paradise in the middle of the desert. Top things off at the lounge at the top of THE Hotel. Truly spectacular views of the strip and the distant mountains. No better place to study the effects of Global Warming, at least in the summer.
Cheers, All.

John Slayton

Michael 2; Something that CAN be done during the day is take a tour of Bonneville dam.
You won’t get back in time for dinner…
: > )

State Fram Ins. /Allstate/ Farmers Ins. / Progressive, show you car wrecks, hail storms and tornados.
John Hancock shows you a widow who can not feed her kids or pay the mortage.
Greenpeace/Earth First and the Maxist Democrat tax and spend cult of CO2 fraud shows you much the same, water facets on fire, water wells gone bad via fracking, dirty rivers, smog, all to scare you into buying into the fraud.
Very much a gaggle of Marxist “tin men” on the make for taxes to spend on a high time in glitter land.
Some one like the project verteris needs to infiltrate the deal and put up you tube vidios of what the talk to one another about at the leg shows and such after say 2:00 AM.

Recon wins wars.

But it’s a dry heat…

WUWT says, “All in all, I think Las Vegas is PERFECT place to have a climate conference, because it shows that expectations of warming and the reality of data just don’t match.
I’ll be there and I’ll be giving a final report on our SurfaceStations project and what we’ve found.”
I don’t believe I have ever been so tempted to go to Vegas in my life! (:
Remember your mission and stay out of the Lotus Eaters Casino though:

Don’t make me have to come down there and get you out. (;
Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief, Lotus Flower Scene dur. 2:15 minutes

MikeUK says:
I’ve only ever had a decent view of the Milky Way once in my like, at night in the desert near Vegas. I’d recommend it to anyone who thinks Mankind is smart enough to predict the future of the climate.
This really puts mankind into perspective. [Hubble, Deep Field]
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Anyone going to Vegas who wants a thrill should try out some of the roller coasters. The one at NewYorkNewYork is worthwhile. Wear your Depends.
And yes, Mandalay Bay is a great deal, only about one-third what you would pay anywhere else for a comparable room. But of course, they make it up at the tables. Keep in mind that those $billion buildings weren’t paid for by winners. ☺

Anthony,
It isn’t just Vegas.
This is average anomaly for daily Mn and Mx temps.

I’m sure there’ll be “they’re gambling with our children’s future” alarmist jokes…

The global warming *cam is all about stealing people’s money and using it to live the high life, so a conference in Vegas is perfect for them.

Oops. I read that wrong.

Charles Lyon

Anthony – I’ve just registered and looking forward to seeing you in Las Vegas. I used to live in Phoenix, and 104 doesn’t sound too bad. Fortunately, electricity rates haven’t skyrocketed yet, so there will be plenty of air conditioning.

cnxtim

Simple.
Because Las Vegas is HOT (comprende?) and another sucker is footing the bill

Tez

Las Vegas is a great location for gambling with other peoples money.
No doubt the attendees other costs will also be paid for out of someone elses pocket.

Tez says:
No doubt the attendees other costs will also be paid for out of someone elses pocket.
Can you back that up?
You must think this is like the UN/IPCC, or one of the COP junkets.

DesertYote

Michael 2 says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Boulder, aka Hoover, Dam???

Ben Wilson

“Something that CAN be done during the day is take a tour of Bonneville dam. Allow plenty of time and I think you can obtain reservations or tickets in advance since the lines can be rather long. . . . . . ”
Since Bonneville Dam is about 40 east of Portland, Oregon, and about a thousand miles from Las Vegas, you certainly should “allow plenty of time”!!
However, if you are satisfied with just visiting Hoover Dam — that’s only about 30 miles or so from Las Vegas, and is quite worth the drive and the tour. . . . if for nothing else then to view the spectacular new bridge over the canyon about a quarter mile below the dam.

Adam from Kansas

Definitely looks like UHI would be the main factor in warming trends across the world.
Meanwhile, Accuweather has a popular article proclaiming the warmest May ever in the temperature records. I think the hype surrounding the so-called climate crises is going to continue until we see a good burst of downward momentum on the temperatures (to make it impossible for even a logical person to to say the warmest anything on record without looking foolish).

Adam from Kansas

And here’s the article in case anyone wants to take a whack at it (some of these results surprise me because there seems to be some mismatches from what I remember of the average May short-term temp. outlooks from WXmaps biased towards warmth).
http://www.accuweather.com/en/home-garden-articles/earth-you/highest-global-temps-on-record/29256730

They should focus the Conference around the UHI (Urban Heat Island) effect…
Vegas is obviously affected by it… but dummies on the Warmist side refuse to look beyond their Temp Chart in this case… “Nope, its getting hotter in Vegas …”

D.J. Hawkins

My handy smart phone says the highs for July 7/8/9 are expected to be 108/108/113. On the very generous assumption that any forecast that is 13 days out has a chance of being correct, it looks like July 9 might possibly tie for high temperature. I’m not making book on that, however.

Here are the records for early July, it have to exceed 114/113 to have a new record. The normal high is 104 for the dates of July 7/8/9:

Looking at the chart, I can’t help but ask, why the “normal lows” are substantially colder than the “record lows?”

Box of Rocks

dbstealey says:
June 24, 2014 at 1:06 pm
But it’s a dry heat
Yeah but you don’t stick your head in an oven either do you? ☺

Richard Keen

Ben Wilson says: However, if you are satisfied with just visiting Hoover Dam …
Another reason to visit the dam is to pay homeage to Mr. Hoover, who, as president, authorized the building of the dam and who, as an engineer, had a hand in designing it. He also had a huge hand in the interstate Colorado River Compact (1922), which defined the state-by-state allocations of water from the Colorado River, and which gave the dam a purpose in maintaining the water allocations. So it was a no-brainer that the dam would be named after Hoover. However, Roosevelt’s liberals refused to recognize the name of the man whom they demonized to win the 1932 elections, so it wasn’t until 1947 that the name became official (after Republicans regained the House, but signed by Truman).
Mr. Hoover had a degree in Geology from Stanford, and is the last president to have direct knowledge and an active interest in science (although Truman read the daily weather map each morning, according to an article in Weatherwise at the time). He translated Georgius Agricola’s 1556 tome “De re metallica” from the Latin, something I doubt any president since could do.
The Bureau of Reclamation has some good stories about Hoover on their dam web site:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/service/index.html
About Hoover: http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/History/articles/hhoover.html
About the dam’s name: http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/History/articles/naming.html

Brian H

Edit: “Here are the records for early July, it ↑ have to exceed 114/113 to have a new record.” would

Brian H

Sandi says:
June 24, 2014 at 2:33 pm

Looking at the chart, I can’t help but ask, why the “normal lows” are substantially colder than the “record lows?”

Um, look at the record low minimums, not the maximums.
Life is much less confusing if you read ALL the words.

Blessed warmth. It’s a chilly 75 F here in Calgary today. I do miss the 90+ F temps of my old stomping grounds in southern Arizona.

The definition Guy

Las Vegas makes up .0000006565% of the earth’s surface. (131.3 sq mi / 200,000,000sq mi) How can anyone pounce on a temperature change in such a tiny area when the debate is about global temperature? It would be disingenuous at best. Besides, we all know that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Including the temperature.

more soylent green!

Nope, we locals don’t go outside much during the daytime in the Vegas summer. Nights are great, and anytime you’re not in the direct sunlight it’s comfortable, or it’s comfortable if you’re sitting in the shade poolside with a cool beverage in hand.
Why Vegas? Great facilities, great airport with a location convenient to the Strip and lots of things to do when you’re not attending to the conference. If you don’t like gambling, there’s plenty of things to do off-Strip, like visit Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, hike in the Valley of Fire or Red Rock Canyon or take a day-trip to the Grand Canyon.
Freedom Fest is in town July 9-12, too. (http://freedomfest.com/). Coincidence?

Brian R

They’ve been watching old Futurama episodes. The one where Bender says, “I’m going to have my own (insert thing). With gambling and hookers. On second thought forget the gambling.”

Yes Anthony and I will be among the speakers. But look at this:
One of the most frequent posters on WattsUpWithThat is on the speakers list:
Willis Eschenbach
Climate researcher
Willis Eschenbach is a well-known independent climate researcher, posting regularly on two science blogs, ClimateAudit and Watts Up With That. His climate work has been cited in newspapers around the world, including The New York Times, the Guardian, the Australian Herald-Sun, and the London Telegraph. His motto is “Retire early … and often,” and he has worked at dozens of different trades. He worked as a consultant to the Peace Corps and the U.S. Agency for International Development on village-level use of renewable energy in more than 20 countries. He spent 17 of the past 25 years living and working (and surfing) on various islands in the South Pacific and currently resides in Northern California.
To see the full list of speakers go to:
http://climateconference.heartland.org/speakers/

Brian H says:
Um, look at the record low minimums, not the maximums.
Life is much less confusing if you read ALL the words.

Doh: Facepalm

The Mighty Quinn

Finally – a meeting where they will not suffer through an unseasonal snow or ice storm.

Steve from Rockwood

Perhaps someone could turn off the air-conditioning during the conference, just for a little reassurance.

https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&daddr=Death+Valley+National+Park,+Death+Valley,+CA+92328&saddr=Las+Vegas,+NV&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&geocode=KdF99aSCt76AMaN5s9Xm1cw6;KUeKrnZ3S8eAMVSw8nt88MnM&dirflg=d&sa=X&ei=QAGqU_FJw4yoBtzAgugC&ved=0CC0Q-A8wAA
Meanwhile, 132 miles by car to the west stands the world’s high temperature record set 101 years ago this July 10, 2014. Last year, on the 100th anniversary, the National Weather Service reported “On July 10, 1913, a temperature of 134 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded here, which stands as the hottest air temperature ever recorded on a properly sited and maintained thermometer anywhere in the world.” When the conference ends, I propose a road trip.

Was looking at the Excalibur Hotel/Casino – the dates 7,8 & 9 rates are less than $40/night. – trouble is I remember (when I was at a PCB/SMT Printed Circuit Board/Surface Mount Technology trade show there) I woke up one morning, lifted my head and was staring at a slot machine. Probably had slept there for 5 or 6 hours… It was a tough day on the trade show floor. Beware of Las Vegas…

clipe

Was looking for something else but came across UHI study for Toronto dating back to 1840 and extrapolating backwards to 1778 America.
http://www.cmos.ca/CB/cb240103.pdf#page=15&zoom=auto,-198,523

However,the rather large urban heat-island effect,which influences the records of all such large cities, is evident.
The Toronto record from 1840 to the present comprises the longest continuous temperature
time-series in the Canadian Climatological Archive, and thus it is frequently used in the analyses
of long-term temperature trends