From the American Chemical Society
WASHINGTON, May 7, 2014 — Yesterday’s release of the third National Climate Assessment (NCA) should serve as a claxon [SIC] call for policymakers and the general public to take action to address and mitigate the observable and documented adverse climate disruption impacts being observed in every region and key economic sector of the United States.
These impacts, which have been observed and measured, are wreaking havoc with our society. This is a not a theoretical assessment; this report cites changes we are all observing and with which we are living. The future climate trends outlined in the report are even more dire. We should all be deeply concerned.
Of the report’s five major findings, the fifth describes the disturbing probable outcome of climate disruption currently being observed:
“Climate change threatens human health and well-being in many ways, including through more extreme weather events and wildfire, decreased air quality, and diseases transmitted by insects, food and water.”
ACS has long held the position that climate change is real and serious and that our nation needs strong policies and actions to protect against further adverse impacts, and we need to address the impacts we are already observing.
For 14 years, ACS has held a climate change policy position, which has been strengthened and updated routinely as new scientific analyses became available. The current public policy statement can be found by clicking on this link.
To assist its members, policymakers and the general public understand the science behind our climate, the ACS created an online Climate Science Toolkit of scientific information and resources.
The American Chemical Society is a nonprofit organization chartered by the U.S. Congress. With more than 161,000 members, ACS is the world’s largest scientific society and a global leader in providing access to chemistry-related research through its multiple databases, peer-reviewed journals and scientific conferences. Its main offices are in Washington, D.C., and Columbus, Ohio.
I thought only Climate Scientists are authorized to comment.
Better living through alarmist chemistry?
If I were an ACS member, I would resign post-haste. Fortunately, as a retired aerospace engineer, I’m not subject to such nonsense.
WIthout the ACS hacktivists, life itself would not be possible!
oh, wait….
Oh, I wonder if the ACS has been orchestrating its response with the White House?
“ACS {Altogether Climate Society} (a nonprofit organization chartered by the U.S. Congress) has long held the position that climate change is real and serious… .”
“The King’s New Clothes” — Danny Kaye
“The king is in the altogether… .” Yup. That’s the naked truth.
LOL.
Morons.
Ignore them. 99.99% of the American public will.
Dignify THAT junk with a serious response?
LOL.
What type of chemicals are they on?
‘The ice age commeth’, Janice, and they are hoping the weather will indeed remain warmer and hotter. We’ve had it easy weather wise, but wait till it drops 5C, so don’t throw away your Ugg boots.LOL.
This is hilarious:
“. . . adverse climate disruption impacts being observed in every region and key economic sector . . .”
Wow not a single region nor a single key economic sector spared! Pretty amazing. Thank goodness for this report, without which most people wouldn’t even realize that their region and every key economic sector is being impacted by adverse climate disruption. You’d think with the effects so widespread and felt so deeply it would hardly be necessary to call people’s attention to it.
I really am over this BS.
How come their “expert assessment” differs so much from the IPCC “expert assessment”?
These are just a handful of examples of the IPCC’s own summarys in different sections of the latest report.(SR5)
So who’s got it wrong?
-:”Overall, the most robust global changes in climate extremes are seen in measures of daily temperature, including to some extent, heat waves. Precipitation extremes also appear to be increasing, but there is large spatial variability”
“There is limited evidence of changes in extremes associated with other climate variables since the mid-20th century”
“Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century … No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin”
“In summary, there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale”
“In summary, there is low confidence in observed trends in small-scale severe weather phenomena such as hail and thunderstorms because of historical data inhomogeneities and inadequacies in monitoring systems”:-
The former president of the ACS was my good old cocky professor Ronald Breslow of Columbia. His whole generation of now age 70+ chemists not only scoffed at soft science startups but were depressed at how the fanatical greenie beurocrats showed up and made then THROW AWAY their near hundred year old large personal libraries of old chemicals we called morgues. Those were libraries of synthetic starting materials, mostly all gone now, that let us Ivy League boys work till 3:50AM on any given holiday or Sunday without running out of ideas and materials too.
Any word from APS??
And so it begins … assorted groups start the rush to create a “popular” movement in a build up to demand action to do something …
I resigned from the ACS. Main reason — just too darned expensive — especially when I retired.
Alexander, ‘what chemicals are they on?’ They might be deficient in Vit D 3, it affects your brain functions or lack of B.12 (vegans and some vegetarians). They don’t deserve an A or B or C for this report, possibly if I were marking it, I would add ‘This essay is incomplete, do not use empty arguments without stating references and an ambiguous conclusion and summary.’ Mark 30/100
I thought scientists were sober realists. Boy was I wrong.
Where do you find a klaxon or a claxon [SIC] these days, other than in a museum ?
…. where this f-kin stupid, thieving, medieval, scare stupid people about the weather meme belongs.
‘The American Chemical Society is a nonprofit organization chartered by the U.S. Congress. ‘
Doesn’t that make it a political organisation?
“The American Chemical Society is a nonprofit organization chartered by the U.S. Congress. ”
That certainly increases it’s credibility and authority—NOT!!!
The shrillness of the warmists rhetoric rises as the time of no-warming approaches a crises for their faith. If the next 18 months doesn’t show a strong increase in global temperatures and a collapse of Arctic ice, they are undone. The public already has dropped climate change as a primary concern, regardless og Bill Nye. The MSM will scent blood in the water if the catastrophe doesn’t show up in the Nation’s bedrooms soon. Obama et al are in their terminal state: it’s either gey some urn witches burnt (and thereby lock the voters into the program) or watch those on the pedestals fall.
We’ve moved into the end times. It can go either way, but the natural citizen’s reluctance to spending his money to benefit strangers suggests the warmists will lose.
Hi, Bush Bunny, #(:)), lol, yes, indeed. Time to invest in companies that make: de-icer, parkas, and video games (what people under 40 will do INSIDE for 8 months out of the year…, heh). Oh, and cocoa and coffee bean futures.
*************************
“You’d think with the effects so widespread and felt so deeply it would hardly be necessary to call people’s attention to it.” (Eric Anderson at 9:45pm)
Good one!
*******************************************
@ Sean — So far, so good. As of about 10:05pm PDT today, APS is ignoring this junk:
APS Home Page: http://www.aps.org/
If I were a Democrat strategist, I would begin to express doubts that man-made global warming is an issue of concern. I would point out the grand solar minimum of solar cycle 24 as being a more influential factor in the climate of our planet.
This should provide for a good distraction covering up the recent hits to Democrats going forward.
They could parade themselves as heroes instead of the villains for who they are.
“… in a museum … …. where this … medieval, scare stupid people about the weather meme belongs.” (Phil in California at 9:59pm) lol
New Press Room of the ACS
Audio:
klaxon horn5/7/14 ACS press releaseThere is the familiar CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, long a valued “must have” reference work. It provides just the facts for all.
The American Chemical Society publishes “The ACS Style Guide”:
Thus the ACS has a long history of dictating how to think and present your work if you want any respected science authorities anywhere to at least look at your work. Obey them or be damned to obscurity.
But they do not publish a similar handbook of facts, as facts do not matter. The presentation, and controlling the presentations, is what’s most important.
Hi, Kevin!!
Glad you’re back!
Time after time after time…. NOTHING BUT HOT AIR AND BOGUS AIRBORNE PARTICULATES from U.S. federal grant-stooge (a.k.a. “__ society” or “__ agency” or “___ school of___”) after grant-stooge after grant-stooge…
“The planet NEEDS us…. MILLIONS OF DEGREES!!!! ….GLOBAL WARMING…. CLIMATE CHANGE….. WEIRRRRD WEATHER……. (gaaack…. cough…. gaaack!)….”
Good for a few laughs…. for awhile…. .
Now? The public is just plain sick and tired of it.
ACS — you are just SO 90’s (eye roll).
Coming soon — Flour Blowdryer II ! — in which big Joe Public tears that sucker out of the wall, heh.
Good night, ACS. Thanks for being such a great straight-person. Your check will be in the mail.
Janice
#(:))
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
May 7, 2014 at 10:21 pm
“There is the familiar CRC Handbook . . . ”
. . . had an interesting beginning as a marketing incentive to sell rubber aprons for lab work.
I heard this in 1966 from the Head of the Chemistry Dept – he was nearing retirement at that time and knew the history. Now it is online:
http://www.crcpress.com/aboutus/history
To state the obvious, this was not a “nonprofit organization chartered by the U.S. Congress.” And that’s a good thing. If it were a govt. thing chemistry students would have scars all over.
These impacts, which have been observed and measured, are wreaking havoc with our society.
==========
First thing we need to do is cut out all chemicals. Many of them are toxic and could cause cancer. People that work in the chemical industry don’t care about the future. They are shills in the pay of Big Chemical and deserve prison for the harm their poisons are doing to the environment.
“. . . adverse climate disruption impacts being observed in every region and key economic sector . . .”
In other words, they are saying that overpaying thousands of alarmist (pseudo)researchers with billions of public money has an impact. It definitely has: It makes those fat sinecure cats even fatter.
Full scale disconnection from reality,
“…the observable and documented adverse climate disruption impacts being observed in every region and key economic sector of the United States.”
The real epidemic is OLiars Disease, spreading at an unprecedented rate!
“the observable and documented adverse climate disruption impacts being observed in every region and key economic sector of the United States”
Aside from the poor prose, what are these “impacts”, how are they connected with “climate disruption” (is there such a thing?), and what can we do to mitigate them?
ABC World News Now, the news-like overnight airtime filler, just headlined with an “EXTREME WEATHER” piece, citing the heat wave and drought the climate scientists had predicted, with the on-screen subtitle “Tornadoes, High Winds, and Hail in the Heartland”, finishing with how this is expected with our rapidly warming climate.
In other words, normal spring weather has arrived in the central US.
“To assist its members, policymakers and the general public understand the science behind our climate, the ACS created an online Climate Science Toolkit of scientific information and resources”.
“A Climate Science Toolkit” of “scientific information” Gee, you know I thought the science was settled??? Right??? So why do they need a “Toolkit”? ( But I sincerely hope they forgot where the key is. btw Janice, love your barbs 🙂 ) The bloody BS is so deep it is getting beyond bizarre.
“Thus the ACS has a long history of dictating how to think and present your work if you want any respected science authorities anywhere to at least look at your work. Obey them or be damned to obscurity.
But they do not publish a similar handbook of facts, as facts do not matter. The presentation, and controlling the presentations, is what’s most important.”
****
Nahhhh…I’m a Chem E. (long ago) and the CRC tables were 6 inches thick, filled with data on constants, conversion factors, steam tables, and all sorts of carp chem e.’s would need to consult in the real world. Have they added “warming” bullbleep since then? Someone straighten me out, if so. And even if, that surely must amount only to a coupla pages out of a thousand or so.
As for publishing “facts”: what the hell “facts”(other than conversion factors, units, etc.) would they be expected to publish, in a world of bazillion publications on all sorts of chemical topics?
“Facts do not matter”???? WTF?? That’s a particularly dim non sequitur. The entire CRC offers mathematical, physical and chemical FACTS.
As for their style book: that’s only a guide on how to present articles for publication, not a prescription as to what to say. It’s a reference, not a Bible. No one forces anyone to use it, and no one is kept from offering/publishing articles if they don’t.
Jeez, I think the ACS is entirely off the wall on AGW. But lets not accuse them of engaging in things that are irrelevancies.
“To assist its members, policymakers and the general public understand the science behind our climate, the ACS created an online Climate Science Toolkit of scientific information and resources”.
That is, of course, entirely apart from the claims against the CRC.
The ACS Statement is only 7 paragraphs long but manages to insist 6 different times that climate disruption is being observed. Apparently repeating something over and over makes it more believable and scientifically robust. Below is a list of the 6 phrases containing a reference to observations.
Adverse climate disruption impacts:
1. Are “observable and documented”
2. Are “being observed in every region and key economic sector of the United States”
3. Have been “observed and measured”
4. Are cited as “changes we are all observing and with which we are living”
5. “Describes the disturbing probable outcome of climate disruption currently being observed”
6. “And we need to address the impacts we are already observing”
It’s almost as if they think they can convince everyone that climate disruption is real and observable by just repeating the claims over and over. If climate disruption impacts have already been “observed,” “measured,” and “documented,” show me the actual data. Don’t give me a bunch of vague statements about “probable outcomes” that are supposed to show up sometime in the future. I have yet to observe any “disturbing” impacts from climate change or climate disruption in my region of the United States. So no matter how many times they tell me the emperor is wearing a dark and ominous suit of dirty CO2, all I see is a naked Al Gore surrounded by invisible gas.
When I hear “Green” and “Sustainability”, my hair stands on end!
From the ACS website:
(Thanks, Rosa Koire, for alerting us.)
All together now… “It’s worse than we thought” (TM)
Maybe it’s just me and I missed the critical words. Can someone show me where is the official statement the American Chemical Society mentions or hits at any of the following?:
‘man-made, greenhouse gases, fossil, anthropogenic’, etc.
It looks like they have been very careful in their official statement from what I have seen. Maybe they are hedging their bets. PS I have been told time and time and time again by Warmists that the United States WAS only a fraction of the planet. Today it resemble Godzilla.
From Anna Keppa on May 7, 2014 at 11:49 pm:
Author Guidelines for the Journal of Chemical Education:
Etc. ACS forces its use in their publications, and they are “…the world’s largest scientific society and a global leader in providing access to chemistry-related research through its multiple databases, peer-reviewed journals and scientific conferences.” Like an NIST or EIA standard, you aren’t forced to comply everywhere, but don’t expect a great reception if you don’t.
This misuse/spelling of “claxon” is very likely a conflation of clarion and klaxon, i.e. a clarion call.
This kind of mistake in using idiom (in writing) is almost always indicative of a sloppy mind, but in this case we already knew that.
As I skimmed through their “public policy statement on climate change” I saw the root of all evil.
Funding has in no way influenced their “public policy statement on climate change”. I notice their advocacy page too with a link to
.
“For 14 years, ACS has held a climate change policy position, which has been strengthened and updated routinely as new scientific analyses became available.”
So they have held this position for almost exactly as long as the globally-acknowledged ‘pause’ in global warming increase. To quote St. Anthony of Watt – “The stupid, it burns”.
A few climate scientists have made predictions that are actually coming true. Here is one of them:
“We can expect climate crisis industry to grow increasingly shrill, and increasingly hostile…” – Dr. Kenneth Green, a Working Group 1 expert reviewer for the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
“For 14 years, ACS has held a climate change policy position, which has been strengthened and updated routinely as new scientific analyses became available.”
Oh Yeah ?
How was it “updated” to reflect the absense of the supposed warming for longer than that “policy position” has wailing about it?
ACS seems to repeat what U.S. Congress decides.
P.S. “Claxon” is how Spanish or Romanian native speakers would spell it.
Poor timing by the ACS.
At the moment the “molecule of the week” on the webpage is LSD.
http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en.html
So it’s official; the Warmists are now claiming that weather is indeed climate.
They have truly lost the plot.
Maybe “claxon” is code for “disregard all that follows.”
Klaxon -1908, from Klaxon, trademark, based on Ancient Greek κλάζω (klazō, “roar, make a sharp sound”).
The ACS doesn’t mention the cause of “climate change”.
Essentially, what they are saying is that weather affects all of us.
I knew that.
Pretty bold and silly statement from a warmist organization (apparently) considering they are probably the largest beneficiary of Big Oil and Big Government…
charles the moderator says: May 8, 2014 at 1:01 am “This misuse/spelling of “claxon” is very likely a conflation of clarion and klaxon, i.e. a clarion call. ¶ This kind of mistake in using idiom (in writing) is almost always indicative of a sloppy mind, but in this case we already knew that.”
Close. The conflation is of clarion and tocsin. But sloppy writing is evidence of sloppy thinking. I would not have missed the homophonic alliteration of first syllables of tocsin and toxic.
These impacts, which have been observed and measured, are wreaking havoc with our society. This is a not a theoretical assessment; this report cites changes we are all observing and with which we are living. The future climate trends outlined in the report are even more dire. We should all be deeply concerned.
================================
Yes. And the fact that everyone is out to get me proves that my paranoia is justified.
These impacts, which have been observed and measured, are wreaking havoc with our society. Less than 1°C? Can it get stupider than this? The only havoc is the perverted viewpoint promulgated by statements like this.
This is all grubbing for dollars.
The point of the Obamunist campaign is to mollify billionaire-CAGW nut Tom Steyer, who’s dangled $100 million for Democrats this campaign cycle (November 2014). There’s then a knock-on effect for others to Get Out The True Believing CAGW-Base, which is almost entirely Democrat voting. (It’s an off election year with no Messiah running fo office – time to demonize anyone who’s not ‘D’-approved.)
Steyer is trying to get other wealthy donors on board, in exchange for the Senate doing their all-night AGW talkathon,
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-24/steyer-nets-10-050-for-100-million-climate-super-pac.html
and now Obama pulling out the Big Science bureaucrats who dance to the federal money tune.
So, the ACS statement is just more group-therapy support for other bureaucrat scientists that feed from the federal trough or whose projects benefit from its support.
You gotta admire how Obama has revived old city-style machine politics, only at the federal white collar level – at least if you are a student of American history. But will it play in Skokie? John Holdren, Obama’s go to science-guy, thinsk so. I doubt it. The people are numbed by the dumb.
A minor short-lived burst, perhaps. But will this summer suddenly burst into a record busting scorcher? I doubt it. Without that, this $100 million will be wasted.
And good riddance! – bad money after a bad cause! We can laugh about all this come the fall.
Leigh had it right near the top: Why does the ACS position deviate so much from the IPCC position, which again deviates so much from the facts-in-evidence?
Re the quote, “ACS has long held the position that climate change is real and serious and that our nation needs strong policies and actions to protect against further adverse impacts, and we need to address the impacts we are already observing.”
How could they have ‘long held’ a position for which there had yet been no definitive evidence? Even the IPCC is waffling about what is really taking place and surely the ACS is aware there is no fabled ‘hotspot’ of GHG ‘back radiation’? How long has this long-held position been held and on what basis was it clasped to its bosom in the first place? How much longer will this position be held in the face of no warming? Another 17 years, would that be enough? Or is it ‘until the money runs out’?
Does the ACS realize that the US, subject to all these ‘disruptions’ has not only failed to increase its temperate temperatures, there has been a continent-wide slight cooling overall during the past century in non-urban areas. Doesn’t this hint that there is no AGW taking place in the same country where they see so much ‘disruption’?
I may have identified their formula:
aC + aO2 + b! ↔ c$
where b! is beaucoup Alarm! This reaction is reversible, so an input of $ creates a healthy dose of Alarm!
I know nothing about this organization. Ok to assume that its members are actually chemists, i.e., academics who teach and or practice chemistry, or people in industry who do the same? If so, how could they say this? It’s one thing when a nitwit like Barack Obama or Al Gore or Stephen Spielberg declaims on climate change. It’s not their field. I see most commentators here dismissing the ACS; I am tempted to do so myself. But these people are not idiots! How is their position explained? It’s all about getting funded? They know climate change is nothing to get alarmed about, but all the funding comes from alarmist messages, so that’s what they do? This would make them cynics. Ok, I can deal with that. But they really believe in the danger?
The ACS doesn’t seem like a pretend science organization (like the UNIPCC, a body of some 1600 people, some 43 of whom are actually scientists and not bureaucrats). Or is it?
It’s one thing when Gore spouts nonsense. These people can’t, and probably shouldn’t, just be dismissed. If they can, I’d like to know why. What am I missing?
Everyone wants a piece of the federal hog trough.
I am a Ph.D. chemist who was a member of ACS for decades but resigned years ago due to their stands on a number of issues. It was the best move I ever made.
Many chemists are skeptical of the AGW meme and the climate change meme. But the elected leadership is a political body. Just like any politics, it can have profound effects on how things are presented. Green chemistry has been a definite trend for many years. This simply means to try and find experimentally alternate reaction conditions which use fewer solvents that need to be disposed of and also conditions which use less energy through catalysts or microwave heating. Nothing wrong with green chemistry. Also highly fundable and attracts students and allows one to feel like they are doing something for humanity.
The problem is you can get a small group of people who write these statements without consulting anyone else. And their staffers may not be chemists but folks with environmental studies or even English degrees and so they all get caught up in the official story. At some point this may back fire as they may go too far and many people will resign. Or, IF it becomes even more clear that this is mostly alarmism, it will eventually play into the elections. I am an on again/off again member of ACS as I don’t like to spend the $200 a year to renew. However, when I want to attend one of their meetings to present my research I have to join. So I will stay in for a few years and then let it lapse for a few years. But I have never once voted in an ACS election. That is another thing that helps those with agendas get elected. The true believers will vote but many others don’t bother.
The minute they can demonstrate how their proposed actions would have stopped the incidents they are referring to, I’m in.
They misspelled Claxton…Fruitcake.
Paraphrasing: This should bring out all of the fruitcake policymakers and general public.
Yet another political document dressed up as science. The only action this suggests is that of soundly defeating the alarmist rent seeking politicians and their supporters.
After 30 years as an ACS member, I don’t think it is a scientific society anymore. I did not renew my membership this year.
A klaxon that is constantly in an alarm state is useless. It is, however, dangerously distracting and masks new alarms. All klaxons must have a reset function or silence function in order to continue it’s alarm function. Will someone please reset ACS. GK
I’m going with the sloppy English/sloppy mind explanation to explain the claxon(sp)/clarion conflation.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/clarion-call
Definition of clarion call in English:
A strongly expressed demand or request for action:
“he issued a clarion call to young people to join the Party”
Or, maybe organizations such as the ACS are nothing but political machinery at the disposal of the ruling Party?
Nawww.
I, too, dropped my ACS membership after over 30 years a few years ago. This was one reason.
This statement and what has been coming out of this organization over the last 5 years regarding climate change is what has finally forced the professors in the Chemistry Department at NAU to decide to drop all degree affiliations with ACS. I used to be proud of the fact that I hold an ACS certified environmental chemistry degree (from back in the day when it actually meant something), but now I just say a BS and MS in chemistry.
American Chemical Society? That’s ironic, given that all the greens that I am aware of are as ballistic over “man-made cancer causing chemicals in our food and environment” as they are over CO2. Watch out ACS: you are in their sights!
Phil’s Dad says:
May 8, 2014 at 6:41 am
“The minute they can demonstrate how their proposed actions would have stopped the incidents they are referring to, I’m in.”
The incidents that they are referring to are not happening, so any action or non-action will be seemingly effective in stopping something that isn’t happening in the first place.
Allow me to expose the warmist’s arguments with a slightly different subject:
Today I will have a beer and that will reduce the chance of the world exploding. If the rest of you do not want to die in the impending PRE (Planetary Rapid Expansion – acronyms always make things sound more scientific), you better make sure I have plenty of beer in the future. Not buying me beer is tantamount to not loving your children! You do love your children, don’t you? Perhaps you deny that there is an impending PRE, but the science is settled. The signs are everywhere. There are earthquakes and tsunamis. Waves are crashing on beaches. Last night, there was thunder in the distance. Volcanoes are erupting in unprecedented eruptions, the likes of which have not been seen since the last time they were seen. AND there is complete scientific consensus that the world will end (some day). Do you deny the science, like flat-earthers and holocaust deniers? Are you so selfish, homophobic, racist and bigoted that you would not be willing to contribute a small amount for the survival of the planet? I shun you, and will no longer speak to you, but I will come around for my daily beer, and I will bring my gun, if you get my drift.
Ferdberple: Surely you jest! Do away with all chemicals? Do you have a particular definition for “chemical” that differs from mine?
“These impacts, which have been observed and measured, are wreaking havoc.”
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Looking about, I have yet to see havoc in my region…or anywhere else, beyond the normal havoc of normal weather. Seriously, how could a rise of 0.7 or 1 degree over a hundred years (which I’m told is more focused on the poles than the tropics and mid-latitudes) create havoc in the Southeastern United States. All life on earth would be long gone if such a minimal temperature variation were to lead to “havoc” in the biosphere.
Again, you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
One of the many reasons I refused to join the ACS.
Chemistry has fallen prey to the festering sore of dysfunction once called climate science.
This grotesque parasite metastasizes like cancer, infects like a pandemic and produces institutionalized mendacity on a scale mankind has never seen.
It seems almost like a science fiction evil empire but it’s non-fiction.
And that’s alarming.
The cancer that is bureaucracy will lay waste to even the most noble institutions.
A modicum of power is present in claiming to be the “voice” of a group of competent people.
What always amuses me, is the tendency of those lusting after this illusion of power, to strip the members of any say.
These closed shop unions are relics, pre internet oddities.
Thanks, asybot (11:44pm yesterday)!
#(:))
******************
@ Michael Hart (4am) “LSD” — LOL.
************************************
“…ACS statement is just more group-therapy … .” (Orson 5:25am). And, boy do those poor co-dependents need it, lol.
*******************************************
“aC + aO2 + b! ↔ c$ … where b! is beaucoup Alarm! This reaction is reversible,” (Crispin & etc…). Good one! AND…. it is a runaway, positive feedback, cycle… heh, heh, heh. Soon, very soon….. IT WILL GET TO MILLIONS OF DEGREES AND FRY THE CIRCUS!!!
Something looks funny about that last sentence…. not sure…… meh, just post it anyway… .
*******************************
GOOD — FOR — YOU, Ed Mehelich (6:27am) — and JM (6:52am) — and Wolfman (7:19am) and Gibby (7:24am) and Dr. Torch at 8:03am.
**************************************************
“…but I will come around for my daily beer, and I will bring my gun, if you get my drift.” (Jim Clarke at 7:47am) — Yes. I do. If I don’t fork over my income tax…. and then…. refuse to go to prison when they execute the warrant for my arrest …. .Socialism (here, Envirostalinism/Enviroprofiteering, a.k.a. coerced charity) is ultimately enforced out of the barrel of a gun. Always.
***************************************************
Why all the fuss about that “claxon” thing (including the SIC in the article itself)?
Both klaxon and claxon are correct (please by yourself a dictionary)…
OK, here’s my action proposal:
1. Ban all private jets.
2. Ban all homes in excess of 5,000 sq. feet.
3. Ban all ownership of more than one home.
4. Ban all vacation travel in excess of 500 miles.
As soon as Al Gore, the Clintons, the Obamas, the entire US Senate and House and all their staff and every Hollywood actor who has said we need to take action complies with these rules for five years, you can impose them on the rest of us.
>>Patrick B says:
….
As soon as Al Gore, the Clintons, the Obamas, the entire US Senate and House and all their staff and every Hollywood actor who has said we need to take action complies with these rules for five years, you can impose them on the rest of us.<<
Make it ten years as there were the ten plagues of Egypt.
Al Gore alone is good for far more than 10 of these…
“We need to end the ignorant consensus that atmospheric CO2 is the prime mover of weather and climate. The acceptance of that one-dimensional, narrow view of meteorology and climatology by governments, scientific societies, educational institutions and the media in general, constitutes scientific and journalistic malfeasance on a grand scale.
Our common experience with hurricanes, tornadoes thunderstorms, blizzards, floods, tsunamis, and volcanic eruptions should lead to the common sense conclusion that weather and climate are controlled by natural laws on an enormous scale that dwarfs human activity. Those laws engender forces and motions in our atmosphere and oceans that are beyond human control. Weather and climate existed long before humans appeared on Earth, and will continue to exist in the same way long after we are gone.
Those forces and motions are driven by the following: First, the motions of the Earth relative to the Sun: the periodic changes in its elliptical orbit, its rotation about its polar axis, changes in the tilt of that axis, and the precession of that axis. Second, the variation in solar activity that influences the radiant energy reaching the Earth and modulates cosmic ray activity which controls cloudiness. Third, the distribution of land and water on the Earth’s surface; which controls its temperature distribution, moisture availability, monsoon effects, hurricanes, and other storm tracks. Fourth, the topography of the Earth’s surface which causes copious precipitation on the windward side of mountains and aridity on the leeward side. Fifth, the fluid motions within the Earth’s oceans that determine moisture availability and ocean surface temperatures (El Nino and La Nina cycles). Sixth, volcanic eruptions that throw large amounts of dust into the atmosphere, increasing the Earth’s albedo and periodically blocking portions of solar radiation from reaching the Earth’s surface.
Water in all of its forms is a main agent through which those forces operate. It provides vapor in the atmosphere, heat transport by evaporation and condensation, and the enormous, circulating mass of the ocean whose heat capacity dominates. And finally it provides the cloud, snow, and ice cover that control the radiative balance between the Sun, the Earth, and free space.
While the presence of 0.04 % of CO2 in our atmosphere is essential for life in the biosphere, the notion that such a minor constituent of the atmosphere can control the above forces and motions, is absurd. There is, in fact, not one iota of reliable evidence that it does.”
Sincerely,
Dr. Martin Hertzberg
http://www.explosionexpert.com
coauthor of “Slaying the Sky Dragon–“, Stairway press, 2011
Dear Cho Cacao,
Re: “Both klaxon and claxon are correct (please by yourself a dictionary)…” (you at 11:05am)
Ahem. I don’t think it was the spelling that they were concerned about.
What does this phrase mean to YOU?
“…should serve as a claxon {} call for policymakers … .”
Here’s a book for you to buy: http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9780198610212_p0_v1_s114x166.JPG
Happy reading (and writing)!
#(:))
Janice
Dear Janice,
you will find in this very thread, among others:
“Jaakko Kateenkorva says:
May 8, 2014 at 3:49 am
P.S. “Claxon” is how Spanish or Romanian native speakers would spell it.
”
So I do think that was the main issue here.
Thank you for the link, too. I do agree that the expression used is clumsy at best.
Yours,
Cho
Well stated! Your concise comment should be printed as a handout, for all those who are picking up, the climate debate. GK
Jim Clarke says: May 8, 2014 at 7:47 am
I shun you, and will no longer speak to you, but I will come around for my daily beer, and I will bring my gun, if you get my drift.
No, the current way is to buddy up to some connected lawmakers and get them to pass a few laws and insert some funding for a few sips of any beer it will bring. Lots easier than having to go out and get it your self. Hint, you really need some computer print out to make it work.
Dear Cho,
If you thought ” the main issue” was: c versus k, you mistake the trivial for the significant.
“Clumsy at best”? It was NONSENSE, at best, lol.
I suspect your first language is not English. If so, I highly admire your having a high fluency in at least 2 languages. I am only fluent in one.
With admiration and a wry smile,
Janice
1. The ACS should stick to chemistry.
2. Climate alarmism is hurting the credibility of scientists and the perception of science in general.
3. When/If a real climate or weather emergency is identified, it will mostly be ignored as more alarmism. The same goes for any other alarm put out by scientists. (Why is that people in authority feel compelled to frighten the population with false claims of impending doom. Is there something about the lure of power that turns people into liars?)
4. Most people are much more concerned about more immediate things that impact their daily lives, like filling their gas tanks, putting food on the table, and obtaining health care. The cost of health care is skyrocketing, gas prices remain higher than they need to be, and food prices (which are not included in core inflation) continue to rise faster than inflation while wages stagnate, none of which seems to be a concern of the current government. My opinion is that climate alarmism is a manufactured distraction, as indicated by the fact that political affiliation largely determines whether one is an alarmist or skeptic.
5. The “solutions” that the climate alarmists have put forward so far will have devastating impacts on the economies of the developed world, and keep people in the third world in the same or worse poverty than they are now. They apparently regard the intentional starvation of millions as an acceptable trade-off for a feeling of enviro-righteousness, and of course a way to wealth redistribution, the current holy grail of liberalism (as opposed to improving the economy so people can find work)
Janice, nice to see you back I am sure teenagers would find something to do, but our daylight hours won’t change, unless you still live in and around the Arctic circle. If anyone still lives there.
Klaxon is a trade name. It was the name of the company that invented the klaxon horn. See the etymology provided above. Claxon is an incorrect spelling, notwithstanding what your dictionary says…
As an ex research fellow in Chemistry, I believe this ACS politicking is a disgusting disgrace to science and to honest chemistry professionals.
Pure political activism masquerading as science. How bureaucratic of them.
I am a current member of the American Chemical Society (ACS). If you read the weekly professional journal for the ACS, “Chemical and Engineering News” (or C&EN) as I do, you would note that many ACS members have pushed back, through letters to the editor, against the Catastrophic Climate Change (CCG) policy pronouncements of its editorial board. But with no apparent effect.
My working hypothesis as to why there has been no effect is this: Many, but not all, of the ACS members are dependent on government grants from a variety of National Institutes. Given the current atmosphere (no pun intended, but it still…) in Washington, it would not be helpful to its members if their professional organization held a contrary position to the granting agencies’ position on CCG.
So, sadly and predictably, in this issue where science and politics meet, to understand it- follow the money.
The question that enters my mind: do I want to keep sending them my membership dues?
I ask whether I should support ACS and its increasingly political and unscientific positions. Please reply to the following editorial @ http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i16/Climate-Change-Revisited.html
Can someone explain 2 things to me? First, why does the settled science keeps changing? Isn’t that a contradiction? Second, since snow is a thing of the past here, what’s that weird frozen white stuff that keeps falling outside? I have to shovel it off the drive whenever it falls. I’d swear the stuff is snow but I read back in the year 2000 that snow was a thing of the past and that the science was settled so it must be an unknown substance that is identical to snow in every way.. My daughter theorizes that it’s dandruff from the snow queen. We need to buy her some Head and Shoulders. We used to get snow twice a year. Now we get this dandruff fall about every three to four weeks during winter and early spring. I hope she never suffers from scalp itch!
LOL well next year you might not get any snow. I think these alarmists think they are speaking to simpletons.
One contra-factual statement after another. The result: a steaming pile.