Lies and Legal Liability
Guest essay by Roger Sowell
The field of climate science, with controversial issues such as whether the planet is warming due to man’s burning of fossil fuels, or the world is blissfully ignoring additional carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, or perhaps the globe is cooling down into the next ice age, has created and still creates vigorous expressions of opinion, and some name-calling, defamatory statements, and calls for deliberate lies and deceit. There appears to have also been outright lies, false statements, and fabrication of data, among other deceitful practices. This article explores some of the legal ramifications, criminal cases and Defamation in Part One. Part Two will continue the discussion on more of the civil causes of action.
We begin with what is Freedom of Speech? United States law is the basis here, with the understanding that other countries have different laws respecting Free Speech. Free Speech is a fundamental right guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution, “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech . . . ” From that simple phrase, many thousands of pages have been written over many decades. Free Speech means, in general, that a person can say or write whatever he or she pleases, however, there are quite a number of restrictions that legally limit this. In effect, a person may still say or write whatever he or she pleases, but there can be legal consequences. Those consequences can range from a nominal award of $1, to millions of dollars in damages, up to the ultimate penalty of death after trial and conviction. The death penalty sounds harsh, for simply speaking some words, but that is the case and will be examined shortly. The Free Speech clause in the Constitution limits the government from passing laws regulating speech. The courts have allowed quite a number of exceptions to Congress’ power regarding Free Speech, so that we have a more orderly society. There are both Federal and State laws regulating speech. Also, Free Speech has been recognized to include oral and written communication, plus expressive conduct.
It is convenient to categorize Free Speech laws by the type of court in which the case will be heard, either criminal or civil. Crimes are examined first.
Speech as a Crime
In the criminal courts, speech can be a crime; for example perjury, sedition, treason, death threats, child pornography, unlawful campaign contributions, false statement to a government official, false statements as an element of fraud, impersonation of another, hate speech, and conspiracy to commit other crimes. Punishments range from a monetary fine and jail, to prison, to the death penalty.
Perjury is the willful utterance of false statements while under oath. The penalty can be prison of a few years, however if the false statements under oath result in the conviction and execution of an innocent person, the perjurer is also liable for execution after trial and conviction. In the climate science context, it is conceivable that a person could be charged and convicted of perjury. One must merely give false statements while under oath, as a general statement of the rule. There are numerous caveats, however.
Sedition is “an agreement, communication, or other preliminary activity aimed at inciting treason or some lower commotion against public authority.” (Black’s Law Dictionary; the Federal law has similar language but more detail.)
Treason is “attempting to overthrow the government of the state to which one owes allegiance, either by making war against the state or by materially supporting its enemies.” (Black’s Law Dictionary; as with Sedition above, the Federal law has similar language but much more detail.)
A death threat is a “threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family’s safety. . .” (California Penal Code Section 422) Within the climate science context, it is unfortunate to observe some of the participants escalating the verbal wars to this level.
Child pornography is “material depicting a child under 18 in sexual activity.” (Black’s Law Dictionary; various state laws have similar definitions; see e.g. California Penal Code Section 311.2(b)). One hopes that the various players in the climate change arena do not commit this crime.
Campaign contributions can be considered speech by expressive conduct. Such campaign contributions are limited by the Federal Election Commission regulations found in 11 CFR 110 and following.
False statement to a government official is a crime, for example, a false statement to a police officer that a crime has been committed. (California Penal Code Section 148.5)
False statements are an element of fraud where it is a crime to deprive another of money or property by a false statement or misrepresentation. (California Penal Code Section 484). This can apply to anyone who obtains money, as in a research grant, based upon false statements in the grant proposal.
Impersonation of another is a crime where a “person . . .knowingly and without consent credibly impersonates another actual person through or on an Internet Web site or by other electronic means for purposes of harming, intimidating, threatening, or defrauding another person. . .” Punishment is up to $1,000 and one year in county jail. (California Penal Code 528.5) It is also a crime to impersonate a police officer. In the climate science context, a famous case is that of Dr. Peter Gleick, who allegedly impersonated another in order to gain access to confidential information at the Heartland Institute, a known skeptic organization active in the climate science arena. See link.
Hate speech is the crime where a “person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States in whole or in part because of one or more of the actual or perceived characteristics of the victim listed: (1) Disability, (2) Gender, (3) Nationality, (4) Race or ethnicity, (5) Religion, (6) Sexual orientation, (7) Association with a person or group with one or more of these actual or perceived characteristics.” (California Penal Code Section 422.55 and 422.6)
Conspiracy to commit other crimes is “an agreement by two or more persons to commit an unlawful act.” (Black’s Law Dictionary) Where the agreement is made by discussions, or speech, such speech is unlawful. This brings a great number of crimes within the realm of illegal speech, literally hundreds. Any crime without a speech requirement, such as but not limited to burglary, theft, arson, robbery, rape, mayhem, murder, manslaughter, assault, battery, trespass, etc. that have an associated crime of conspiracy to commit X, makes the speech illegal.
Speech as Civil Causes of Action – Defamation
In the civil courts, speech can give rise to causes of action in defamation, false light, copyright violation, false claim of inventor, fraud (contract context), deceit, fraudulent statements (intentional, negligent, concealment, opinion as fact), appropriation of likeness, false claim against the government, infliction of severe emotional distress (intentional and negligent) and others. The remedy for the prevailing party in such actions generally is money damages, but can also include restitution, an injunction, a public apology, public retraction, payment of attorneys’ fees, and punitive damages. Defamation is discussed briefly below. The climate science context is emphasized, where the cause of action may involve climate science. The remaining dozen or so categories will be discussed in Part Two.
Defamation is “the act of harming the reputation of another by making a false statement to a third person.” (Black’s Law Dictionary) Where the false statement is made verbally, the tort is slander. Where the publication is made in writing, the tort is libel. There are several important distinctions in the tort of defamation, including whether the defendant is a public figure or private figure, whether the matter is one of public concern or private concern, whether the false statements were made with malice or not, and whether the false statements were one of a category for which no damages need be proven, or per se. Given the number of distinctions, libel/slander, plaintiff is a public/private figure, public/private concern, malice or not, and per se or not, there are many possible combinations of the tort and detailed laws for each. Here, an example is given only with the combination of libel, plaintiff is a private figure, the matter is one of public concern, no malice need be shown, and the statements needed no damages to be proven. These distinctions are chosen to best match the issue in climate science.
The elements that must be proven are a false statement, made about another, that injured the other’s reputation, and the statement was made to one or more third parties. In addition, plaintiff must prove that the third party reasonably understood that the statement was about plaintiff; that because of the facts and circumstances known to the reader of the statement, it tended to injure plaintiff in his occupation, or expose him to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or shame, or to discourage others from associating or dealing with him. Also, plaintiff must prove that defendant failed to use reasonable care to determine the truth or falsity of the statement; that plaintiff suffered harm to his property, business, profession, or occupation including money spent as a result of the statement; and that the statement was a substantial factor in causing plaintiff’s harm.
Regarding the issue of what is a public concern, courts have observed: “if the issue was being debated publicly and if it had foreseeable and substantial ramifications for nonparticipants, it was a public controversy.” ( Copp v Paxton (1996) 45 Cal.App.4th 829, 845) Climate science, and especially global warming or climate change as it is now known, would certainly qualify as a public controversy. Governments and non-governmental bodies have produced lengthy volumes of climate science documents, held highly publicized meetings all over the world for decades, and have had the topic front and center in many publications and internet websites, all on climate change.
The next major point is, what is a false statement in climate science? A false statement can be intentional, negligent, or by concealment. An intentional false statement is one which the defendant did not believe to be true. A negligent false statement is one which the defendant had no reasonable ground for believing to be true. A false statement by concealment is one in which defendant suppressed a fact when he was bound to disclose it, or when defendant gives information of other facts which are likely to mislead for want of communication of that fact. (California Civil Code 1710).
This is the heart of the matter, the falsity of the statement. One can imagine numerous scenarios of defendants making false statements about another that qualify for one or more of the above three definitions: intentional, negligent, or concealment. Examples of intentionally false would be “he has no training”, “he is incompetent,” “he makes things up,” “he takes money from oil companies,” and such. Negligent falsehoods would be those for which no data exists, or the scientist simply makes up data. Concealment would be the case where scientists deliberately decline to state the facts that clarify or even provide the true state of affairs. One of the finest arts of telling a lie, it is said, is to tell only that part of the truth that misleads the other.
If the statement or statements can be shown to be false, they must next be published to a third party. In effect, if anyone other than plaintiff reads the libelous statement, that is sufficient. With the internet, there can be millions of third parties who read the libelous statement.
Next, the false statement must have injured the plaintiff’s reputation. Injury to reputation is shown that because of the facts and circumstances known to the reader of the statement (the third party), the false statement tended to injure plaintiff in his occupation, or expose him to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or shame, or to discourage others from associating or dealing with him. This can be shown by testimony, by business records showing a decline, by statements showing hatred or contempt or ridicule, by plaintiff testifying to feelings of shame, or that others were discouraged or actually stopped associating or dealing with plaintiff.
Also, plaintiff must prove that defendant failed to use reasonable care to determine the truth or falsity of the statement; that plaintiff suffered harm to his property, business, profession, or occupation including money spent as a result of the statement; and that the statement was a substantial factor in causing plaintiff’s harm.
In the climate science context, it appears that defamation by libel occurs regularly on the various internet blogs (weblogs). An actual lawsuit for libel is currently in process between plaintiff Michael E. Mann, PhD, and defendants Mark Steyn, National Review, and Competitive Enterprise Institute. Professor Mann filed the lawsuit alleging libel. See link
Note: a related article discussed legal liability for criminal negligence in terms of climate science, see link
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Roger E. Sowell, Esq.
Marina del Rey, California
The above is written to provide an overview of a general area of the law, and is not intended, nor is it to be relied on, as legal advice for a particular set of facts. Specific legal advice is available from Mr. Sowell and anyone who seeks such advice is encouraged to contact Mr. Sowell.
To more soylent green! on April 21, 2014 at 8:33 am
“I noticed there was nothing in your post regarding academic freedom, which is a specious argument, IMHO. Is that topic relevant to this discussion?”
Academic freedom is not a defense against defamation, nor is it a defense against any criminal charge. Academic freedom primarily allows a teacher or professor the right to teach materials in his or her own way.
To JohnWho, asking about public vs private figure: this question is sufficiently general that I can provide an answer.
There are actually three categories of “figure” in defamation law: an all-purpose public figure, a private figure, and one in between, the limited purpose public figure.
Case law provides this definition:
“. . . the Gertz decision defined two classes of public figures. The first is the “all purpose” public figure who has “achiev[ed] such pervasive fame or notoriety that he becomes a public figure for all purposes and in all contexts.” The second category is that of the “limited purpose” or “vortex” public figure, an individual who “voluntarily injects himself or is drawn into a particular public controversy and thereby becomes a public figure for a limited range of issues.” ” (Reader’s Digest Ass’n v Superior Court, (1984) a California Supreme Court case, quoting Gertz v Robert Welch, Inc, (1974), a US Supreme Court case on defamation.)
Also,
“To qualify as a limited purpose public figure, a plaintiff ‘must have
undertaken some voluntary [affirmative] act[ion] through which he seeks
to influence the resolution of the public issues involved.’ ” (Rudnick v.
McMillan (1994) 25 Cal.App.4th 1183, 1190
Based on these definitions, it would appear that in the matter of Mann v Steyn et al, Dr. Mann is a limited purpose public figure, who undertook voluntary action to influence the resolution of public issues involved (global warming). I would not think he, Dr. Mann, has achieved such pervasive fame or notoriety that he is a public figure for all purposes and all contexts. In fact, the vast majority of people I ask have never heard of him.
@ur momisugly Willis Eschenbach, on April 21, 2014 at 5:22 pm re truth is a defense.
“So in fact I’m following Roger Sowell’s advice, he confirmed that truth is an absolute defense against libel.”
Actually, Mr. Eschenbach, after carefully reviewing my article and my comments thus far, I have made no statement about truth as a defense, absolute or otherwise, against libel.
The legal distinctions on truth as a defense to libel are rather complex. It is not quite as clear-cut as one might think. As I outlined above, there are several ways to make a false statement, similarly there are multiple ways of determining what is truth in a libel context. It involves issues such as testimony, written documents, authentication of such documents, dates of documents and a timeline to establish who knew what and when, credibility of witnesses, internet as sources of information used or offered as evidence, interpretation of words and phrases, to name just a few.
I would never presume to give Mr. Eschenbach legal advice on a blog. However, I will say that I would never, ever, post such a comment as he did just above on April 21, 2014 at 11:53 am.
@ur momisugly Geoff Sherrington on April 21, 2014 at 8:02 am
“If you are tha same Roger who has posted silly stuff about nuclear power, then I shall give you a conditional exclusion and read with interest of your specialty in Law.”
I am indeed proud to say that I am the same Roger Sowell, whose views on nuclear power you disparaged just now. For my part, that is all I will say on nuclear power on this post. This is about speech, crimes, and defamation.
@ur momisugly Nullius in Verba on April 21, 2014 at 8:32 am
“I’d be interested to know if some of the epithets directed at sceptics might constitute slander/libel?”
They most certainly can be, however one should consult a knowledgeable attorney to determine the likely outcome and any damages that could be awarded. Depending on the facts, what was said, and how many third parties heard or read the false defamatory statement, damage awards can be quite large.
@ur momisugly Coach Springer on April 21, 2014 at 8:43 am
“I believe the many blog comments that Sowell chooses to take as statements of fact are easily understood as expressions of opinion and belief.
In defamation law, there is a distinction between a statement of fact, a true opinion, and facts disguised as opinion. Unless one is aware of the legal distinctions, great care should be taken in this area. More than one defendant has been rudely surprised when what he thought was a protected opinion turned out to be actionable libel.
@ur momisugly strike on April 21, 2014 at 9:08 am
“,i>Thanks to Roger. As a foreign reader I had greater difficulties in understanding all the post regarding case Steyn vs. Mann. They have been eased quite a bit.”
You are very welcome.
@ur momisugly Strike,
“Could You please drop a few words, on chances to (theoretically) sueing him.” meaning the US President, Barack H. Obama.
Presidents are the ultimate in “all-purpose public figures” as I described in a comment above. Under that standard, a defamation plaintiff must prevail on the actual malice standard. That is made even more difficult by the laws (US laws) that make it almost impossible to file a lawsuit against a sitting President. He has almost perfect immunity. There are a few exceptions, very few, but calling other people Flat-Earthers is not one of them.
In addition, as others noted in comments above, being one of a large group does not bring the right to sue in defamation.
@ur momisugly Bob on April 21, 2014 at 9:11 am
“Thanks, Mr Sowell, for the illuminating article. Now, I cannot burn up the keyboard with terms like lie, fraud, etc. I must contain my opinion to words like, “his science is not relevant”, or “his study was trashed so badly garbage workers won’t touch it”. Gee, this makes it tough to bad mouth somebody. I want my freedom to insult back.”
You are welcome. I feel your pain. For guidance on how to express displeasure without being sued for slander, or libel, it is useful to observe two attorneys who insult each other. One of my favorites is, “did you write this brief, or did a group of trained monkeys pound it out on a few typewriters?”
Another favorite insult is reputed to have been said by Sir Winston Churchill, when a lady who disliked him immensely said to him, “Winston, if you were my husband, I would poison your tea.” ‘
Sir Winston never missed a beat. He is reported to have replied, “Madame, if I were your husband, I would drink it.”
Roger Sowell says:
I would not think he, Dr. Mann, has achieved such pervasive fame or notoriety that he is a public figure for all purposes and all contexts. In fact, the vast majority of people I ask have never heard of him.
Then how can he claim to be defamed, if people don’t know who he is? Does he get to have it both ways?
In the context of the global warming debate, Mann is well known by just about everyone. That makes him a very public figure to people who could affect his income. Ask anyone up to speed on the subject who Michael Mann is. They will tell you.
But if Steyn’s readers don’t know who he is, it would hardly impact his earnings. I doubt that Mann has gone to one less tropical excursion as a carbon scare celebrity as a result of Mr Steyn, or that his income has taken any kind of a hit. Has he been demoted? Has he lost his employment?
About the only negative result I could see is that some of the public have been introduced to a crybaby, name-calling scientist who makes outlandish and untrue claims. I would be embarrassed, too, if I was like that. But is being embarrassed a tort?
I know, I am wasting my time, because there is no such thing as justice. It is an illusion. The important things are who you know, and how useful you are to certain folks and institutions.
Cynical? Yes. But that is how I see it. My views have changed a lot over the past
6 – 7 decades. As ‘wobble’ said:
“…the actual facts and arguments don’t matter if a judge makes up his mind to rule in favor of Mann.”
Exactly.
@ur momisugly dbstealey on April 21, 2014 at 9:35 am
“Very informative, Roger. Thanks.”
Thank you!
“You write:
Examples of intentionally false would be “he has no training”, “he is incompetent,” “he makes things up,” “he takes money from oil companies,” and such.
That brings to mind all the really vicious attacks that Anthony Watts has endured, for nothing more than having a point of view. I’ve seen most of those things written about Anthony and others, and based on your article, some of the nasty, outrageous cartoons that people have published on blogs seem actionable.”
I believe you are correct about Anthony, but I cannot really comment since he is a former client. I cannot and will not say much of anything about my clients, present or past. I wrote those words not with Anthony in mind, but others actually. I have many times seen blog writings on the lack of qualifications of one person or another (e.g. “He is not a climate scientist”), occasionally the incompetent label, several scientists have been accused of making things up, and many skeptics are accused of taking Big Oil money.
Regarding outrageous cartoons, those enjoy a special status. Humor, satire, and biting wit are all protected to some extent. Especially in the area of public controversies, or political arena, cartoons have some strong protections. Jerry Falwell v Hustler Magazine showed this.
@ur momisugly dbstealey, on April 21, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Dr. Mann is most likely a limited-purpose public figure, for the reasons I outlined above. If the judge has ruled he is an all-purpose public figure, then so be it. I would not think that enough people in the US have heard his name to be an all-purpose public figure. Certainly, in climate circles he is famous, but that is the definition of a limited-purpose public figure. Only in a limited context is he known.
Thanks, Roger. There is always a lot to learn from your articles.
This is a very useful article. One thing I’m not clear about is the hate crimes provision in the California Penal Code. It says it’s a crime to restrict a person’s constitutional rights by ‘force or threat of force’, if they belong to one of six categories or associate with someone in those categories. Surely using force or threat thereof to restrict anyone’s rights, or to do anything at all except enforce the law or act in self-defense, is a crime anyway. What’s does the category ‘hate crime’ add to the existing law, except a vague threat to free speech?
Leave it to the lawyers, but about moderation, sometimes my posts have ‘awaiting moderation’ on them, but they usually get published eventually. I think our moderators have snipped only two of my comments in the years I have been on this blog.
@ur momisugly dbstealey, you bring up an excellent point with
“About the only negative result I could see is that some of the public have been introduced to a crybaby, name-calling scientist who makes outlandish and untrue claims. I would be embarrassed, too, if I was like that. But is being embarrassed a tort?”
The short answer is no, embarrassment is not a sufficient degree of harm for a claim in libel. The categories of reputational harm, as above, are: “expose him to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or shame, or to discourage others from associating or dealing with him.”
However, there is a different but related tort, known as false light. In that tort, embarrassment is the key. In general, a truthful statement or statements, made about another and published to a third person, that shows plaintiff in an unfavorable or false light. The classic example is a newspaper article that states only “John Doe was seen entering a hotel room at midnight with a beautiful blonde woman.” The implication being, he was unfaithful to his wife. In unstated fact was the beauty was his wife. That would give rise to an action in false light.
Another related tort, again with truthful statements, is public disclosure of private facts. Embarrassment is a factor in each of those. In contrast to defamation, not only is truth not a defense, truth is a requirement.
I liked the Winston Churchill quote, it is famous. How about this ladies, I used to be quite an attractive brunette in my youth until I had 4 boy babies and my figure of 36 22 36 spread, and hair went grey, and some joker who was trying to seduce me but didn’t said, “I suppose you were a stunner in your youth, but not now..” (As if I should be grateful for his unwanted attention) So I repeated what the Kray twins said when being led to jail….”Well better a ‘has been’ than a ‘never was!’.
Unfortunately being famous does get some unwarranted criticism and negative comments. But Mann has defended his data that obviously is in the public domain, that he was happy to release for the purpose of publicizing himself to support Gore and the IPCC. And paid for it? Now he has been ridiculed for a non event in the world of science and is questioned about his honesty. He won’t admit he was wrong and exaggerated global warming for reasons to gain the world’s attentionand subscribe to AGW. The thing I would say is crucial is that he knowingly did this and provided falsified scientific records to support his hypothesis. Corrupting the data to fit the hypothesis, not the reverse.
Isn’t that the crucial part of what this case is all about? By hiding his data seems to suggest that he deserves everything he gets and more.
@bushbunny – having the 4 boys may have played havoc on your measurements, but raising them through their teens is where you gray hair came from! 😉
I think Mann will win and I am glad he will. There is no place for the sort of journalism that stoops to an attack of this kind, irrespective of which side you think is right.
Given the high regard Mann has in the scientific community he will have no trouble finding highly respected people who work in the field, who will endorse his honesty and skill. Add to the fact his work has endured being scrutinised time and time again (maybe more than any other scientist on the planet), each time coming up clean, it is hard to see any judge agreeing his work is fraudulent or should be allowed to be called so.
Steyn on the other hand will be lucky to find a single respected scientist who will support his comments. I think he will pay both financially and with his reputation. Given the low level he stooped to… he deserves all he gets.
I know I am going to be attacked here for saying this, feel free, it will just make it all the sweeter when Mann wins. When he does I will be back to remind you all Steyn stuffed up and got what he deserved.
Regarding truth as a defense, from
http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news-media-law/news-media-and-law-spring-2001/criminal-defamation-laws-ar
I’ve seen elsewhere that duels did not simply fade away, they transformed into defamation suits. That seems like an improvement to modern minds until you realize that there is much less risk to the challenger, leading people like Mann to abuse the justice system. At least libel is no longer criminal speech — except in some states, see:
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/criminal-libel-a-bad-idea-in-a-free-society
Finally, for more legal history of defamation, search for
“The Medium is not the Message: Reconciling Reputation and Free Expression in Cases of Internet Defamation” by Robert Danay. (Canadian emphasis)
Roger Sowell says:
April 21, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Thanks, Roger. My misunderstanding. You had said:
I interpreted this to mean that if a statement is not false (true) it cannot be defamatory, and thus a true statement cannot be libelous … what am I missing? Is my logic wrong?
Yes, I have to assume that it is more complex than that … but isn’t that the logical conclusion from the quote from Blacks Law Dictionary above?
Thanks for that, Roger. I would not make that statement in any situation but this one. This is because of what I know of the case, and because Mann has convicted himself with his own words.
It is also because truly, I hope he sues me. That would be a gift … yeah, I’d have to go on Kickstarter to pay the bills, but it would be worth it. I greatly doubt that he’ll sue, though, he likely considers me beneath his notice …
In any case, Roger, thank you for your clear interpretation of the legal issues, and your willingness to answer questions and comments.
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“expose him to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or shame, or to discourage others from associating or dealing with him.”
But that is exactly what Obama, and many others who insult those who disagree with the Catastrophe of Global Warming, or of the Anthropomorphic content of Global Warming, or even that the world is warming; have done and continue to do.
I for one am insulted by Obama’s statement. While Obama may be protected, it sounds as though others are not.
And such words, comming from such a person; there will be people who are materialy impacted.
I’d like to echo Willis’s thanks to Roger, especially again for his willingness to answer a lot of questions here.
I found it all very enlightening. Thank you very much, Roger.
It seems to me that the legal outcome, depending apparently so much as it does on the fickleness ob da judge, has roughly the same order of certainty as that of the outcome of a coin toss. In which case I have a suggestion for reducing the cost of litigation — for a nominal fee of say $500,000 I’d be quite happy to flick a penny.
Nevertheless I fervently hope Mark Steyn gets to light Mann’s funeral pyre. Of course, the great faker’s many bum-chum co-conspirators across the globe should be encouraged to commit mass suttee at the same time as their beloved spouse while the rest of us dance around and then piss on the ashes when it’s all done.
Talking of happy terminations, anyone care to estimate how many of 7,800 deaths per annum (in the UK alone) due to those celebrating fuel poverty in their hovels are attributable to the lies promulgated by Mann and his supporters? Remember now, these latter are all very moral personages who “really care” about humanity:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-poverty-deaths-three-times-higher-than-government-estimates-7462426.html
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It has been an act of faith by the believers to claim that Mann has been exonerated. and has come clean ever time. Nothing is further from the truth. Only two “investigations” actually attempted the investigate mann. 1) the Penn state investigation which the NSF using more polite terms basically called that investigation a farce and 2) the NSF investigation which was also superficial. The one salient point in the NSF report is that they acknowledged that selection of data used, the weighting of the data and the statistical methods employed remained subject to scientific debate. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the quality of the science. None of the other investigation concerned Mann.
Only someone disregarding science would believe that the Hockey Stick (and the subsequent studies using similar methodologies, the same proxies, by essentially the same basic group of scientists, jones, mann, bradley, etc) provides any scientific insight into global temps 500 – 1000 years ago..
Simon says: “I know I am going to be attacked here for saying this”. As you can see, Simon, you haven’t been attacked. All you’ve got are polite responses from Joe and me. I think Mann is probably wrong about global warming, but I don’t like what Steyn says either. His aim seems to be to refute the stereotype of Canadians as rational, moderate people, like McIntyre, McKittrick and Framboise.
“[Steyn’s] aim seems to be to refute the stereotype of Canadians as rational, moderate people, like McIntyre, McKittrick and Framboise.” — pdxrod
Never mind the silly ‘moderate’ label, how has Steyn acted irrationally, as you imply?