Watch John Holdren struggle to explain the “waviness” of the circumpolar vortex aka the ‘polar vortex’ in today’s news cycle. Also, he says:
“If you’ve been hearing that extreme cold spells like the one we’re having in the United States now disprove global warming, don’t believe it,”
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
From the video description:
President Obama’s Science and Technology Advisor, Dr. John Holdren, explains the polar vortex in 2 minutes—and why climate change makes extreme weather more likely going forward. Learn more at http://wh.gov/climate-change.
Seems they had to rush this to press so as to not to miss the news cycle before the cold air went away. Watch, and be sure to have your air sickness bag handy.
I’m too busy at work right now, so I’ll leave readers to point out the weaknesses.
h/t to Steve Milloy
James Delingpole has a delightful rebuttal to the White House’s “claims” regarding the Polar Vortex here:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100253377/global-warming-devastates-america/
These people are idiots. I’ve had THREE people who use to believe in global warming tell me they can’t believe people are trying to convince everyone that global warming causes cooling. No one but the true believer is buying this at all. Most supporters don’t even seem to be buying this.
Senator Tim Wirth please call your office
Fire the bums. In my view, this is all about control of the populous.
There is a flip side to the cold wave. Serbia is hot.
http://www.aljazeera.com/weather/2013/12/where-siberia-winter-gone-2013121992332312557.html
It seems that the home of global warming just became an igloo!
what a load of BS how dose he sleep at night
Talk about the stupidity of this white house and since we can keep our coverage then let us keep our sanity too! In alcoholics anonymous in step 2 says, “the difinition of insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting DIFFERENT results” and that my friend is what global warmist continue to do. Don’t worry Washington, the Wave is coming!
Now we know it: Global warming means more freezing.
Shouldn’t we wish for Global cooling then?
RockyRoad:
Excellent post. Maybe we should ask – does the global warming theory predict the brutal cold? H-h-m-m let me guess – no? But its warming? Oh? U-u-m-m is anyone down there hanging on to Obama’s global warming message for liberals?
Look at the good Doctors resume – and this guy is Obumbles ‘Science & Technology’ adviser? No wonder this country is so screwed up.
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
At least he has that part right; perhaps he’d like to drill that into all alarmists?
These guys are something else. No matter what happens with the sea, the ice, the rain, the sun, the snow, the heat, the cold it’s always due to global warming.
Note how Holdren says there is “debate” in the climate community? I thought these clowns told us the debate was over! My god, get it together progressives. get your story straight and get back to us with your latest coordinated propaganda line.
The Polar vortex is something completely new to us and will be made much, much worse by man’s co2. It really is as bad as that and much worse than we thought! We must act now! We must act then! We must act now and then!!!
Thanks A, but I cannot do this to myself. Watching this video would let my insurance company claim it was suicide!
Also, consuming or even touching anthropogenic excrement is in bad taste.
All this cold in north America was compensated by a killer heat wave in Serbia? Which towns? The whole country? Wow! Really?
Watch the northern polar vortex at http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/10hPa/orthographic=-80,80 (earth wind map, Cameron Beccario).
Its a theory still and the problem is the observable climate has not matched their dire predictions. Scientifically, that means we need a new theory. I vote for its normal…not man made!
it is, at best, a hypothesis; theories are supported by evidence, reproducible, and predictive.
Now we know: “Decreased temperature difference between the tropics and the poles results in stronger storms” Where did he learn this stuff, a ceral box!!!!!
This defines the Obama folks, a general insult to a box of rocks!!
It’s an election year, remember this.
President Obama and his disciples aren’t stupid. They don’t believe a word they are saying. Instead, they believe WE are stupid, and they have some evidence to back up their belief. After all, we did elect him….twice.
-50’s to -60’sF in Siberia. Return engagement of “polar vortex” in 10 days.
Frigid temperatures no doubt the result of global warming which melted the Arctic, kinked the jet stream and pushed the cold air south or maybe the result of excessive hot air emanating from Washington DC and certain “reknowned” climate scientists.
So, he means weather events such as SUPER storm sandy, or other events except events he wants to use to blame global climate warming/cooling CO2 is bad, coal bad, etc?
Or maybe they can explain why the “warming November since records began” is relevant, but the coldest December will not be? I get it, everything is to blame, provided you live in a rich Western economy…..
What I do believe is current grand solar minimum effects disproves man-made global warming.
frozenohio says: @ January 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm
Look at the good Doctors resume…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OH, do you mean like his recommendations for:
And
And
More at:
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
and
http://www.masterresource.org/2009/01/john-holdren-and-anti-growth-malthusianism-part-iv-in-a-series-on-obamas-new-science-advisor/
But at its root, the first cause is CO₂ (carbon dioxide) … the most powerful element in the known universe, it causes everything.
From the same douchebags that keep alluding to some type of relationship between Tropical “Super” Storm Sandy and global warming.
The man is correct – it doesn’t prove or disprove “global climate change”. Of course what he really means is ‘human caused global warming’. But what it does prove is that weather events and the temperature ranges that can occur (-50 deg C and +50 deg C, i.e. a temperature difference of 100 deg C) swamps the 1 deg C (to be generous) of “global warming” over the next 100 years that is in all probability not likely to be due to CO2 emissions. And proves the utter stupidity of attempting to “tackle” such a rise.
I see, the next little ice age is caused by us.
Where is the promised warm temperatur? I think it’s in the deep sea and is scared to come out.
Hearken,
The cooling is a challenge to belief in warming from the release of CO2.
A challenge to faith needs to be resisted.
Steadfastness provides the strength to hold on to the truth.
Thus, this event is proof that Gaia is fortifying the Greens.
Rejoice!
The science is settled.
But at its root, the first cause is CO₂ … the most powerful element in the known universe, even more powerful than Kryptonite, it causes everything.
(there, that’s what I meant to say)
Just out of interest the polar vortex described as early as 1853.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Df4vAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA430&dq=%22polar+vortex%22
http://books.google.gm/books?id=Df4vAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22polar%20vortex%22&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=%22polar%20vortex%22&f=false
“I’m too busy at work right now, so I’ll leave readers to point out the weaknesses.”
Beat me to it.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/kevster1346/trends_zpsdda86712.png
John Holdren and Paul Ehrlich famously lost a bet with Julian Simon (a bet that the price of five key metals would be higher in 1990 than in 1980.) I fully expect his predictions to follow that illustrious tradition. Unfortunately, I am riding a wagon he helps to steer.
Arninetyes says: @ January 8, 2014 at 3:26 pm
….. They don’t believe a word they are saying. Instead, they believe WE are stupid….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is not just Obama but the entire bureaucracy and political class.
This is from 2007:
(Mary had a lot to do with my ditching the rose colored glasses when viewing the US government.)
I looked up quack scientist in the dictionary and John Holdren’s picture popped up.
“WEIRD SCIENCE” – THOMAS DOLBY – “SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE”
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
Funny how they forgot all about that not two months ago.
Leon Brozyna says:
January 8, 2014 at 3:27 pm
But at its root, the first cause is CO₂ (carbon dioxide) … the most powerful element in the known universe, it causes everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CRINGE, it is a molecule. Carbon is an element. Diamonds are a girl’s best friend. Coal is a tree’s best friend. And CO2 is a magic gas straight from a unicorn’s rear end.
You deniers just don’t understand the science. You’re probably creationists. Let me explain this to you. I’ll use small words so that you can understand. All bad weather is caused by global warming, whether that weather is warm or cold. If rainfall causes a flood, it’s caused by global warming. If rainfall causes bumper crops it’s a random weather event. This is because western culture values profits over people. People in the west have become alienated from nature and consumerism has put the earth out of BALANCE. Global warming is mother nature fighting back against corporate greed. And you don’t fight back with pleasant weather, therefore good weather can’t be caused by global warming and bad weather must be. QED
Washington D.C. (Damage Control)
So a shallower pressure gradient, now has the magical property of pushing a heavy, dense air mass, further than a steeper pressure gradient would.
Must be similar to the magical property of CO2, that amplifies its IR properties.
Good thing the globe stopped warming quite a while ago, so we don’t have to worry about magical properties, that only the “experts” truly understand.
Jimbo says: @ January 8, 2014 at 3:33 pm
Boy, they sure don’t want you to find that paper!
It is
“Complexity of Holocene Climate as Reconstructed from a Greenland Ice Core”
http://www.whoi.edu/science/GG/paleoseminar/pdf/obrien95.pdf
And seems to have been removed.
There is also a newer version
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/270/5244/1962
(your link did not work so I went looking)
MoveOn.Org the left wing activist group that supports all things left is getting in on the rebuttal act too. Obviously the NA frigid weather has all the warmists mobilizing to fight the increasing doubt of the populace.
Here’s an email they are circulating to their followers:
Dear MoveOn member,
It’s freezing out! Literally. And the frigid weather most of the country is facing—with windchills still as low as minus 50 degrees F in some places—has brought out the climate deniers yet again.
The cold weather we’re experiencing is originating in the polar vortex—a whirlwind of Arctic air in which temperatures drop when the North Pole is pointed away from the sun.(1) The Arctic is actually warming twice as fast as much of the Earth, and the jet streams that trap its frigid air are weakening. Cold snaps like the one we’re experiencing are a normal part of winter weather—and some climate scientists think the melting Arctic is actually making this sort of “polar vortex” event more likely.(2)
But while the vortex science may sound complicated, one thing is crystal clear: global warming is very real—and hugely dangerous. That’s why we’ve partnered with our friends at Forecast the Facts to give members the proof they need to counter Fox News’ climate change-denying talking points.
Can you share our graphic today so your friends know how climate change deniers’ claims are full of hot air?
http://front.moveon.org/the-polar-vortex-3-reasons-climate-deniers-claims-are-full-of-hot-air/
After you share the graphic, sign Forecast the Facts’ petition demanding that The New York Times follow the lead of The Los Angeles Times and stop publishing the letters of climate deniers.
Click here to share the image with your friends (or just forward this email).
Thanks for all you do.
–Victoria, Nick, Bobby, Mariana, and the rest of the team
Sources:
1. “Arctic Amplification,” NASA Earth Observatory, May 26, 2013
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=81214
2. “Record Highs vs. Record Lows,” Climate Central, July 10, 2013
http://www.moveon.org/r/?r=296013&id=85415-5280268-piqXEKx&t=4
“‘Highly significant’ heatwave smashes Australian records,” The Sydney Morning Herald, January 6, 2014
http://www.moveon.org/r/?r=296014&id=85415-5280268-piqXEKx&t=5
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It’s worse than we thought.
The propaganda, I mean.
“There is a flip side to the cold wave. Serbia is hot.”
Less freezing cold than usual is not quite the same thing as “hot”. 😉
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
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Nothing can prove or disprove global
climate changewarming just as the existence of god can be neither proved or disproved. Global warming exists beyond the ken of science – that is why we need the AGW priesthood to read the signs and wonders and inform us lowly mortals how we may be ab$olved of our climate sins.New definition of an “ice-age”: a counterintuitive example of an interglacial in action.
So let’s keep it simple John (BTW love the wavey colour vortex, quite the animator aren’t we?) in line with your patently deficient intellect (the beard and circus clown tie didn’t seduce me, but by all means).
Now John, please understand computer models don’t “tell” us anything but if you do think they are such great predictors, then please understand you need another model, ’cause the current crop endorsed by the IPCC get it all wrong.
If this is their “A” team then the deniers have won hands-down. Time to circle round to the pub.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/brain-freeze-why-climate-_b_4558204.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Canada
I watched the video 4 times.
My takeaway was that Dr. John Holdren has a belief.
It sickens my stomach that this comes from my White House.
Yet, here we are.
Onward !
Questions for Dr John Holdren or anyone who agrees with him
Were the previous record low temperatures across the US due to a Polar Vortex? How far back do we have to go to find the last Polar Vortex that was not due to global warming?
When were all the earlier Polar Vortex incidents against which we can measure the claim of growing frequency of such events? One cannot be the basis for saying we’re seeing increased frequency.
Holdren could have stopped at saying that the current episode is weather, not climate. So why didn’t he? Could it be a decade and a half of no increase made this difficult?
Hmmmm here’s the current temperatures in Siberia (North Asia):
http://www.findlocalweather.com/weather_maps/temperature_north_asia.html
I wouldn’t want to be there…
out-of-date because the writer still thinks the Polar Star is off to rescue the Shokalskiy & Xue Long. seems he wrote it earlier than the date published. however, very interesting detail:
9 Jan: Australian: Anthony Bergin: Saga of Shokalskiy breaks ice on much-needed polar conversation
(Anthony Bergin is deputy director, Australian Strategic Policy Institute, and honorary fellow, Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-operative Research Centre)
It’s interesting that the voyage isn’t part of the official Australian Antarctic Science Program, and was taking paying passengers. The cruise is badged by its operators as the Australasian Antarctic Expedition, appropriating the name of the Australasian scientific team that explored part of the cold continent between 1911 and 1914, led by Douglas Mawson. It’s a bit like stealing the term Anzac for a tourist visit to Gallipoli…
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/saga-of-shokalskiy-breaks-ice-on-muchneeded-polar-conversation/story-e6frgd0x-1226797645337#
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
Who is trying to prove the climate doesn’t change? He probably meant ‘global warming’, of the man made variety, in which case he is correct. Mother nature does a good job disproving that. This is what we have been trying to explain to the alarmists for years. Their assertion was for dangerous warming in the future. Though, when they said warming, they actually meant cooling. But it could mean warming, unless it’s cooling.
Oh yeah, we should be listening more to these people. (sarc.)
The Political Left is pushing their “Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) propaganda agenda with a vengeance. They are using this junk science to justify their attack on the American Economy and Industry. This is garbage pure and simple!
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Now we can add, Warm is Cold. Please promise me I can keep my Doctor too and I will follow you anywhere.
It really is a mental disorder. This is so sickening.
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
Except of course, “Hurricane” Sandy, which definitely proves climate change… rightttttt
Damage control from the White House? Whoever claimed that global warming, aka climate change, was politicized?
Beyond belief. Simply beyond belief. The whole video reeks of desperation. How on earth did Obama’s White House allow him to record this? Massive own goal. End of.
Wow, I’ve never seen Dr. Holdren’s phizz before. He looks familiar–wait! Isn’t he the fried-chicken guy?! :>)
They are making it up as they go along. That’s the beauty of CAGW, though. It’s “science” on-the-fly. It only has to sound somehow vaguely plausible for the MSM to parrot it, and the True Believer useful idiots to lap it up.
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
So this must work when its hot, windier, dryer, rainier, and so on.
I see hundreds of billions of progressive democrat money invested in brainwashing the public into believing man-made global warming, going down the drain and trillions in carbon dioxide taxes evaporating. I’m glad I didn’t piss away any of my Libertarian dollars on this scam.
First, it is NOT the polar vortex.
The polar vortex, as variable as it is, is still right over the North Pole where is almost always is.
This is just cold Arctic-type air which has pushed fairly far south as it often does in the winter and in the summer. It is a combination of the Low-High set-up winds (mostly) and the Jetstream location (only partially in this case.)
Jet Stream animations from SFSU which was the main goto source for this until recently; available here. Should be able to figure out to use this site.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html.
200 Mb height winds from the NCEP GFS model (the world’s best) as forecast 2 days ago which was bang on available here: Click on “200 Mb Winds” then “Loop” to see the real Jetstream in action. Note that tropicaltidbits.com might provide the best weather model forecast animations of anyone. Spend some time looking through it.
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2014010618/
Too funny – Holdren hid the decline.
He stopped his arctic ice cap graphic at 2012, before the 2013 excursion back to normal ice coverage.
During the shift to the wavey polar vortex, there seems to be a hint of a hexagon, like saturn.
He is talking about the polar vortex while showing the jet stream. Top US scientist has no clue. Was he just reading lines off the teleprompter.?
Pretty obvious to me that Obama is gonna launch some sort of global warming initiative during his state of the union speech in a couple weeks, that’s why the warmistas have been trying so hard to nullify the cold weather with words.
Gail Combs: Super posts!
What is this Polar Vortex excitement? I recall past years when the jetstream dipped way south bringing lot’s of cold. I believe that that terms like “yankee clipper” and “polar express” were used. So what’s the big deal with this one? I bet we’ll get another one in the next couple of years.
No matter whether Holdren’s views are right or wrong, claiming that severe cold is due to global warming is not going to engender public trust.
The weather might end up costing them the White House. Quick, Mr. Obama, tweet it.
Bill Illis your comment had not posted prior to mine but nice links. Holdren has no clue as to the difference between the jet stream and polar vortex, or wind at any level perhaps.
RE: Chuck L says:
January 8, 2014 at 3:26 pm
“-50′s to -60′sF in Siberia. Return engagement of “polar vortex” in 10 days…..”
You noticed that too, I see.
One thing about a “meridianal” flow is that it spreads snow further south. As soon as you have snow cover over vast areas of Tundra and Taiga you have in place land that can make it colder than the Pole more easily than the Pole. (Even when ice is in place the “heat” of seawater around 29 degrees has an effect through the ice, and the air over the Pole seldom gets below 40 below, unless it comes streaming from colder lands via cross-polar-flow.)
According to Holden’s line of logic a “zonal” flow from a colder world would keep the cold air up over the Arctic Sea, and limit the snow-cover over Tundra and Taiga, which would result in a warmer world. Conversely he suggests a more relaxed flow would be generated by a warmer world, resulting in snow cover further south and a colder world. Very crafty! The only problem is it blows a hole in the whole idea of Global Warming reducing albedo to have this gigantic snow-cover in place, reflecting sunlight as days get longer than nights. (Even though most of the snow is melted by July 1, by then a gigantic amount of radiation is bounced away, and the days are already getting shorter. It isn’t a bit relaxed.)
Another weakness is his logic involves the fact these Polar Vortexes, when they get stretched out, are not slow and lazy, like a summer jet stream. They are ferocious beasts, bringing air colder than the Pole to the latitude of northern Africa in both North America, (Texas and Northern Mexico,) and Asia (China.) Every body of water in their way is sapped of heat, and faces spring significantly colder.
Thirdly, if one pokes a bit through history books one finds warm periods were not marked by ferocious storms. If they had been so bad I doubt we’d call them “optimums.”
One thing that cued me in to the fact this might be a nasty winter was the fact the Tundra and Taiga of Siberia were completely covered by snow very early, and generating cold through radiational cooling especially early. It is fascinating to watch, for the winds change, as do the effects of the winds, when the Tundra goes from being much warmer than the Arctic Sea to much colder. The early snowfall made this phenomenon happen much more swiftly this year.
Not that Holden notices the glory of nature. I imagine he thinks his B.S. is more glorious, nearly as glorious as his perm.
Sorry. I shouldn’t have said that, but the guy makes my blood boil. Anyone notice the crucial line at the end of the video where he doesn’t say, “science proves,” but rather, “I believe.” Spoken like a man covering his….retreat.
Might I suggest that WUWT readers, and all others so inclined, send an ‘open’ email to the gentleman and his boss, politely asking that they STOP INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE! ?
Great cartoon on polar vortex over on Judith Curry’s blog!
Kyle M says:
January 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm
> There is a flip side to the cold wave. Serbia is hot.
> http://www.aljazeera.com/weather/2013/12/where-siberia-winter-gone-2013121992332312557.html
If Serbia is hot, why did you post a link to a story about Siberia? Especially one that may have been taken in the summer given that the story refers to things like:
I get the sense those rivers won’t be flowing freely much longer.
(There are other notes about warming, feel free to read, but there’s nothing about Serbia in that article. There are two references here from people who likely didn’t read the target.)
So, let me get this straight: In a “warming world’, the Whirlpool gets weak & “wavy”, and more cold air escapes to the South, and more Warm air “invades” to the North . . . ergo, in a ‘Cooling World’ the Whirlpool would get strong and circular, the cold air would be imprisoned right at the North Pole, and we could build Walt Disney World North in effing NEWFOUNDLAND?
Will It be an ‘Equatorial Vortex’ when a heat wave hits?
News for 2014,
Climastrologists wishing to retain Government funding will have to Include C02 driven ‘Vortexes’ Into their studies.
(sarc)
Ric Werme says:
January 8, 2014 at 5:33 pm
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I know you know, but as regards the size of Russia. Per:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/26/russia.time.zones/
“Moscow (CNN) — The world’s largest country by land mass is challenging time: This weekend, Russia is cutting the number of its time zones from 11 to 9.”……
@Gail Combs – yes, that resume. But even at that, his resume still outshines his boss’.
Is there any correlation between the 30% growth in Arctic Sea Ice Extent on 2012, and the “Extreme warm in the far North”?
Extremist Holdren coming to the defence of the 17 year non-global warming farce. And once again the man-made “Climate Change” aka “Global Warming” theory remains non-falsifiable. Hot=Cold=Mild=Dry=Wet=Rain=Drought.
Pretty sure that if you don’t believe in anthrogenic global warming it means you are a racist. …..
Kyle M says:
at 2:46 pm
“There is a flip side to the cold wave. Serbia is hot. ”
Kyle, please… Serbia and Siberia are two different things. Believe me.
They should hire Bill Nye to help explain this vortex. I am sure he will have learned by now that the trade winds blow from East to West…or has he????? Enquiring minds want to know if he would now place the fan on the EASTERN seaboard so that it blows the trade winds THE OTHER WAY than in this precious video:
Was Baghdad Bob unavailable?
Caleb, I think that if the “Siberian Express” gets established in 10 days or so, the cold wave we just had will seem like “the good old days” especially in the northeast which escaped the worst of the cold temperatures, as cold as it was.
The fan is at 7:44 into the precious Bill Nye video.
Wait a minute, did he say as the temperature difference gets greater as the arctic region heats? Assuming the ‘whole’ is world warming at positive rate, the temperature difference would be smaller not larger.
Okay. I just watched the post linked video. Record snow falls came with this blast of cold air. So my BS meter went through the roof. I thought children were not supposed to be able to know what snow is??? According to this nimrod, children will be buried in it because of global warming!!!!
Sorry , duh, re-watched. Threw-up, but he did say smaller.
So what we have is a man explaining that global warming is the cause of the cold in winter and trying to justify it based upon models that can’t even model today’s climate?
Air sick bag is the correct term for certain.
The sad thing is he is an official in power and probably believes his own words, as provided him, without question.
Oh the Pain//////////////////////////////////
How many unelected appointees make policy that directly impacts you everyday?
Think about it….
President John F. Kennedy issued several memorable statements, a few of which seemed to acquire the qualities of a legend, and as such, the details behind them can become obscure. Such was the case at a luncheon in the White House. Depending upon who tells the story there was a collection of Nobel Laureates, or university professors there. Whatever the exact details are it’s clear that learned people had been invited there for a dinner. John F. Kennedy addressed them and told them something to the extent that never before in the history of the White House had such an assemblage of intellect gathered there for a meal – except when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.
Well, let us all consider now what address a future President (assuming that is still the title to be used) may present to an assemblage of comedians, comedy writers, joke tellers, late night TV hosts, humorists, laughalologists, ticklers, comedy acts, and proctologists.
Now, I think you know where I’m going with this but I still can’t resist going there. So here goes with a likely address: Never before in the history of the White House has such an assemblage of members of the theatre of the absurd gathered for a dinner except when President Obama’s science adviser, John Holdren, dined alone.
Or, perhaps when the two of them dined together.
You guys have John Holdren as the principal science and technology adviser to your president? Has the USA gone completely insane? Is this Obama’s way of saying the USA will definitely become a third rate power? Unbelievable.
Just to re-iterate a point made often before: AGW does not yet qualify as a theory. A theory must have successfully made predictions, including unique and novel ones, which are validated by publicly available data. It welcomes and takes on new tests from other theories. It hasn’t yet passed all possible known tests to become a natural law.
A hypothesis must have proposed numerous pass-fail tests, and passed all that have been performed so far, and be eligible for more. It doesn’t offer full explanations for all known relevant phenomena, yet.
A speculation offers an explanation for some phenomena, not yet tested or validated.
AGW is still a speculation. The best-funded speculation in the history of man.
What I found striking was that John (climate disruption) Holdren used the term ‘global warming’ in an argument to claim that AGW causes cooling. Why would he do that???
It seems global warming is actually here in Germany: Outside warmer than in the house and the nut trees started to blossom…. Spring weather…
Last year we had a very heavy winter and the scientists said that a row of cold winters may be due to some disturbance in the Arcitc. But this winter I heard nothing in Germany about global warming is causing that spring weather. But of course the Storm in Northern Germany was caused by Global warming, and the hurricane in the Philipines, of course.
BTW, the polar vortex is dangerous to human health:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/01/polar-vortex-causes-hundreds-of-injuries-as-people-making-snide-remarks-about-climate-change-are-pun.html?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=borowitz&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(15)
OssQss says:
January 8, 2014 at 6:42 pm
“The sad thing is he is an official in power “…….
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The sad part is that he is NOT an official in power.
They are just using him.
Maybe not even once. Between extensive funding from Mickey Mouse and friends, and vote counters that, e.g., report more O-votes in some precincts than there are adult residents, etc., etc., another hypothesis could be entertained.
The warmists attribute any change to the increase in atmospheric CO2 and ignore observations such as the lack of warming for the last 17 years which disprove CAGW. The change in the North Atlantic jet stream speed is not unusual. Did the warmists note the sudden increase in sea ice in the Arctic and the record sea ice in the Antarctic correlates with the sudden appearance of the polar vortex (aka Blizzards) in the US? Could there be anything else that has changed? (Hint the sun.)
http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~swr01tjw/pubs/20Cjet.final.pdf
Twentieth century North Atlantic jet variability
In general, the features exhibited in shorter records are shown to be robust, for example the strong skewness of the NAO distribution. Related to this is a clear multimodality of the jet latitude distribution which suggests the existence of preferred positions of the jet. Decadal variations in jet latitude are shown to correspond to changes in the occurrence of these preferred positions. However, it is the speed rather than the latitude of the jet which exhibits the strongest decadal variability, and in most seasons this is clearly distinct from a white noise representation of the seasonal means. When viewed in this longer term context the variations of recent decades do not appear unusual, and recent values of jet latitude and speed are not unprecedented in the historical record.
Curious the same pattern of extreme cold and blizzards have occurred before. The warmists may not have noticed the sun was in deep solar magnetic cycle minimum during the blizzards of 1977 and 1978.
US Blizzard of 1977
Coldest winter in memory. Federal disaster declared. 11 states in crisis. Fuel shortages due to cold. White house warns against panic buying of food. Record snowfall. Hurricane force winds.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=blizzard+of+1977+buffalo+ny&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=jQXOUvvwBYG9qQGTloGgCw&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=908
US Blizzard of 1978
https://www.google.ca/search?q=blizzard+of+1978&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-AXOUpBLioyoAdmYgPAK&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=908
OssQss says:
January 8, 2014 at 6:42 pm
“How many unelected appointees make policy that directly impacts you everyday?
Think about it….”
The whole damn EPA for starters!
Seriously.
Ickk.
The only coherent response I would consider, is playing Tiny Tim; The ice caps are melting, as the rebuttal.
At least Tim was funny in a creepy kind of was.
Holdren certainly belongs in the Obama Whitehouse.
1. You say that extreme cold spells don’t disproves global warming, yet you have no problem at all saying that extreme hot spells do prove global warming which is both hypocritical and intellectually dishonest.
2. While you say that no single weather event can prove or disprove “climate change” that is not the question. Skeptics do not dispute that climate changes, in fact it is the skeptics that argue that climate changes is normal, that it has always changed, and that it always will change, regardless of human activity. To the contrary, it is the believers of global warming that argue that climate should not change and that if it does change; it must be caused by human activity. Thus it is the believers that accuse the skeptics of believing what they themselves believe.
3. Polar vortexes are not proof of human caused CO2 driven climate change as winter polar vortex storms existed before the United States was even a country. During the Battle of Princeton in the winter of 1777 a similar polar vortex storm helped General Washington to surprise the forces at Trenton New Jersey giving the United States a much needed victory. This battle happened nearly 100 years before humans started using coal, oil, and natural gas as a major fuel source.
4. Globally there has been no measurable warming for over 17 years and if this “extreme weather” is caused by warming or climate change, why did the extreme weather event even happen now when there has been no warming or climate change for the last 17 years even though atmospheric CO2 has continued to climb?
CO2 is a compound, not an element.
Carbon, the compound, because of its balanced 4 valence, able to act as either oxydizing or reducing agent, and form large stable compounds, may well be the most powerful element. You’re mostly structured from it, for example.
J Herbst, I believe that much of Europe will be hit by severe winter weather just after the middle of the month. That’s when they will blame global warming.
With a loopy polar jet, pools of warm water set up highs (sometimes blocking highs) that make the jet loop up and over the high which then become cold loops as the jet slides down into southern latitudes, bringing cold air to our homes. As well, loops that go the other way and invade the Arctic set up warm incursions that feel like a heat wave in winter. So it makes sense that Germany may be sweltering while the midwest of the America’s is shivering.
u.k.(us) says:
January 8, 2014 at 6:57 pm
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You might right in title, but as the science and technology adviser to the official POTUS, he has and uses power.
Look at how the Czars have done in this administration…..
Are they official?
I’m blaming all those new German, Chinese and Indian coal plants. As well as George W Bush. or something.
Wikipedia is also excited about the storm. The first revision to include a section “Climate Change” is by user “WNT”:
“Paradoxically, the extreme cold weather in much of the USA could actually be the result of global warming”…
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2014_North_American_cold_wave&oldid=589617995
@ Pamela Gray — Congratulations!!!
(thought you might have missed this comment: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/06/the-original-temperatures-project/#comment-1527410)
Gail Combs says:
January 8, 2014 at 3:27 pm
Gail,
Their own words (Holdren, Ehrlich & Ehrlich) are spine chilling commentary on their megalomania to control the planet and enforce their own enviro-facist version of ecotopia.
Thanks for the info,
MtK
ossqss says:
January 8, 2014 at 7:15 pm
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My current POTUS cut his teeth in the Chicago machine.
It is all He “knows”, the decisions (political) have been made by his crew.
Now he is in the deep end of the pool, just trying to get out alive, the sharks smell the blood.
Not sure his opponents would fare better.
Its gonna be a bloodbath.
One can hope, right ?
I forgot about this one – good catch john robertson says:
January 8, 2014 at 6:59 pm
I think if Tiny Tim was alive today he would have a position in the present administration. Those children must all have problems today from that experience. I think one of them looks like a little Michael Mann.
Why don’t these guys JUST come out and say it, I just *know* they want to … along these lines:
“… we control the horizontal … we control the vertical …”
and skip pu ss y-footing around with all the two-faced, mush-minded “we’re only here to help you” propaganda BS …
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“Jimbo says:
January 8, 2014 at 3:07 pm”
I was going to make a similar post yesterday about exactly that. In 1974, the US/Globe was also stuck in a bitterly cold winter cycle, certainly was true for the UK as I recall. What I want to know is what was the Sun doing then?
I recall not too many years ago British scientivists gravely warning that the little children of London will never experience snow in that great city in their lifetimes, because of global warming. Now, the settled science is resettled, and it turns out that more snow further south is to be expected. In related news, Oceana at now war with Eurasia, no longer Eastasia…
Janice, this man is a sweet, kind, funny, HANDSOME, gentle giant intelligent degreed farmer that has swept me completely off my feet. AND he knows what “regression” and “correlation” means! Along with linear trend, running averages, and dihydrogen monoxide (LOL). Plus he wants, needs, appreciates, and seeks warmer, not colder temperatures, and CO2! Potatoes do rather poorly without those things. I am blest beyond blest and have to be, must be, the luckiest woman on Earth for someone like me, a nerdy elf, to capture the attention of someone like him.
Oh, Pamela, I have tears in my eyes I am so happy for you. So happy. You DESERVE him. Whether he deserves a lovely, bright, caring, FUN, person like you is the real question, imo. You tell him that your WUWT “family” told you to tell him to treat you like the princess that you are.
Keep us posted. #(;)) I’m guessing next July… after school ends for the year…… . (wink) Farmers do not mess around. Once they carefully evaluate all the factors involved, they do not hem and haw, they act. (and DOES he fly fish?)
Your smiling “sister,”
Janice
Here, Pamela, here’s your song for the evening — have fun singing along. Still SMILING.
“Mr. Wonderful” — that’s you. (Peggy Lee)
Didn’t you mean to say, Carbon, the element?
Well, I might hire whoever put the video together if I worked for the SyFy Channel or had something to sell. But I wouldn’t hire the salesman. I’m still using my used cars.
CBC, (Canadian Broadcasting Corp) has Michael Mann on and announces him a a co-winner of the Nobel prize:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Technology/ID/2428739814/
Steyn and co might be interested in that.
Good one Roger, but which of the 5 isotopes do you suppose Brian is referring to?
Since a warm Arctic causes the polar vortex to weaken and move south then that must mean that cold air in the Arctic with lots of sea ice strengthens it and locks it in place. The only possible conclusion is that the cold invasions of polar air throughout recent history were simply figments of our imagination. I sure am glad it was a lot warmer in the 60s and 70s than I remembered.
Carbon. The curse of the universe. Just think how much better all of us carbon-based life forms would be without Carbon. It’s even in our pencils! How much more advanced would we be without pencils and what they’ve produced? We need even more carbon regulations to erase all the evil that carbon has produced!
(Somehow my “sarc/tag” was erased.)
Rep. Peter DeBlazio OR also felt compelled to open his big bazoo on the topic:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/08/Dem-Rep-Rails-Against-Global-Warming-Skeptics-Blathering-Idiots
CAUTION: May induce strong nausea….. for 3 min 42 sec.
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_DeFazio
Early life, education, and pre-congressional career
DeFazio was born in Needham, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.[1] He credits his great-uncle with shaping his politics; as a boy, that great-uncle almost never said “Republican” without including “bastard” at the end (or “bastud,” as it usually sounds in the Boston accent).[2] He served in the United States Air Force from 1967 to 1971.[3] He received a Bachelor of Arts degree from Tufts University in 1969[1] and a Master of Arts degree from the University of Oregon in 1977.[1]
The bullshiite artiste from Massachusetts, now Oregon, is academically qualified to defend the unproven hypothesis of ‘(man made) global warming’ …. soley by ad hominem attack?? Such is the nature of the entrenched political support for our pseudo-scientific opponents.
John Holdren should have used a clip from this Greenpeace video in his presentation to prove his point. Maybe some Youtuber will do a funny remake combining these two videos. That would be hilarious.
An upload from Santa himself: “Christmas 2013 might be cancelled!”
Is is possible that a “Mother of All Rex Blocks” situation could trigger the end of an interglacial? Look at how the cold zone of the present block aligns with the seed area for Continental Glaciation.
Gunga Din says:
January 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm
“It’s even in our pencils! How much more advanced would we be without pencils and what they’ve produced?”
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I’m using a:
STAEDTLER/ Mars Lumograph (2H) pencil , as we speak.
Something like it, probably got us to the moon,…. and back.
The polar vortex (aka winter weather) is the latest victim of CO2 obsession.
So on the one hand, no weather event can prove or disprove AGW. Yet on the other hand, *this* weather event, renamed to sound scary, is going to be more frequent. So for the CO2 obsessed, the single weather event does prove up their belief. And since AGW is non-falsifiable, the believers cannot see the oxymoron that they find their belief underscored in every weather event.
The operative purpose of this video is to allow the White House and the mangy purveyors of global warming to rename the natural phenomina that they had previously commandeered to launch an attack on prosperity, the ozone hole.
Whenever you hear the phrase “polar vortex”, that’s politicians trying desperately to disassociate the ozone hole from a natural temperature dependant process operating on all planets, provided they possess an atmosphere.
They don’t want the public putting two and two together, that the terms are interchangable.
Yup. Doh.
I have a few questions for Holdren, but if anyone else can answer, please do.
1. If a warming Arctic causes the polar vortex to invade further south, can we expect these freezing temperatures to return this summer when the Arctic really warms up? Or can it tell the difference between warming caused by CO2 and warming caused by other means?
2. If the whole world is warming, and the Arctic is warming at twice the rate, where did all this record cold air come from? Was it hiding in the deep oceans?
3. If the polar vortex is sending this cold air mass south and replacing it with warmer air in the Arctic, why isn’t the polar ice melting? Why is the ice extent even greater this year than last?
see that down in Antarctica, both the Russian the Chinese boats are now in open water and the assistance of CG Poplar Star is no longer required.
http://kucb.org/news/article/coast-guard-icebreaker-polar-star-sent-to-free-ships-in-antarctica/
The icebreak up was of course forecast earlier for around this time by Anthony Watts on TV.
REPLY: yes, we covered the story yesterday http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/07/russian-ship-in-stuck-in-antarctic-ice-starts-moving-again-per-my-forecast/ Thanks
Then why are they all so worried about it?
That’s the $64,000 question!
I know, I know–you don’t get much for $64,000 these days, especially from this administration! Why, at the recent Quantitative Easing rate of $85 Billion a month, $64,000 would get you about 1.95 seconds on the clock.
Not enough time to even ask the question, let alone get an answer!
It might help if someone were to point out in public that CAGW is a hypothesis and not a theory and as such is very risky to base a policy on.
I am looking forward to the paleo-climatology papers being updated to reflect that warmer weather meant cooling climate and cooler weather meant warming climate.
They should embrace the Medieval Warm Period as proof the climate was colder.
Would be just another CAGW preacher.
Unfortunately, his missioning is paid by White House and taxpayers.
f”rozenohio says:
January 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm
Look at the good Doctors resume – and this guy is Obumbles ‘Science & Technology’ adviser? No wonder this country is so screwed up”.
Unfortunately. It’s not only your country screwed up. It applies to other countries aswell believing in the same AGW/CC Meme.
Including NZ. Our Science advisor to the Govt Peter Gluckman quotes John Holdren as the be all and end all on Climate Chane Global Warming!!
http://www.pmcsa.org.nz/
“Without incurring significant cost to the Office, I have managed to meet with the UK Chief Scientist Sir John Beddington (twice), the Australian Chief Scientist Dr Penny Sackett (twice), senior officials in the USA including President Obama’s cabinetlevel advisor Dr John Holdren and the Chief Scientist of the US Department of Agriculture, Dr Richard Beachy, and with many of their associated officials and offices. I have also met with senior Chinese officials and viceministers, and with senior officials in Singapore. Each of these offer specific opportunities we can build upon. I have also attended the joint science commission meetings with the USA and the European Union. I have been heavily involved with the Global Research Alliance – cochairing the Wellington meeting and assisting the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry on scientific aspects. I have attending coordination meetings around the Square Kilometre Array proposal and made representations as appropriate internationally.’
If a Polar Vortex equals wind then Warmists will claim it’s Global Warming.
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Storms which battered Britain are linked to climate change
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535915/Storms-battered-Britain-linked-climate-change-David-Cameron-claims.html
“johnspencer3333 says:
January 8, 2014 at 11:44 pm”
I am not one bit surprised Cameron has made this claim as his family (Father-in-law) is invested in wind energy.
I am not a scientist, but can computer modelling be called ‘science’? They’re covering their behinds for all the cold weather we have to look forward to as the planet cools.
One polar vortex and one extreme cold event doesn’t disprove or prove ‘global warming’.
That much is true.
Nor does an Australian summer of extreme heat for that matter.
What always happens with these lines is that they are distorted by one side of the argument.
Is there something intrinsically evil about the middle line on this one??
If not, why do the MSM treat it as being akin to admitting that you get your rocks off torturing hookers with burning cigarette ends??!!
Darn. Opened 43 bottles of lemonade last night and allowed the (entirely man-made) gaseous ‘fizz’ to escape into the kitchen’s atmosphere. Unfortunately, the unusually cold and draughty polar vortex that greeted me this morning in our adjacent kitchen conservatory must be conclusive proof of global warming – either that or I really do need to fix that dodgy leaking roof panel that keeps letting all that cold air in. Sod it, I’ll fix it later and accept that man-made climate change is to blame. Hey, I admit it’s all my fault for opening the lemonade in the first place. (Thank goodness I didn’t open the crate of beer too.)
“If a warming Arctic causes the polar vortex to invade further south, can we expect these freezing temperatures to return this summer when the Arctic really warms up? Or can it tell the difference between warming caused by CO2 and warming caused by other means?”
You can expect cooler temperatures, probably in the UK summertime, which tends to happen each time the Met office forecast a barbecue summer..
“If the whole world is warming, and the Arctic is warming at twice the rate, where did all this record cold air come from? Was it hiding in the deep oceans?”
The Arctic is still very cold in Winter even if min temps are somewhat higher.
“If the polar vortex is sending this cold air mass south and replacing it with warmer air in the Arctic, why isn’t the polar ice melting?”
It may well be that we will see Arctic max sea ice extent slightly lower by March this year.
The point though, is that there is zero evidence that polar vortexes are the result of the very small amount of global warming. Polar vortexes are nothing new.
Having said that, when polar vortexes do occur, and polar air masses spill south, that would likely result in warmer air coming up and impacting on sea ice. However, let’s be clear, this is weather not climate change, and it is nothing new.
So more or less the Dr. Jennifer Francis story.
http://youtu.be/xugAC7XGosM
Why do all government scientists make themselves look so stupid with their outrageous statements. We suffer from them just the same here in the UK. Where was Holdren’s explanation for the past 17 years of no warming or the increase in sea levels that his cohorts were forecasting?
Empirical evidence seems to have no meaning whatsoever for these so called academics who too frequently try to defy all logic.
The reason why the activists are pushing the ‘Polar Vortex’ meme is so that people can relate to the movie, ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ where the graphics used to show how the climate is creating vortices may give them pause: Graphic Image of multiple votices:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAzCN_kbaXT_6M9kPuJjQZMHiAK4Zggc6B8CETrTwJxmgNLAwbCg
Robertvd says:
January 9, 2014 at 2:26 am
So more or less the Dr. Jennifer Francis story.
I was looking up Dr. Jennifer Francis and came across this:
Climate Denial Crock of the Week
http://climatecrocks.com/2013/06/19/kevin-trenberth-and-jennifer-francis-on-climate-ice-and-weather-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-39490
Climate Denial Crock of the Week
http://climatecrocks.com/
had this on the sidebar:
Climate Scientist Legal Defense Fund
Chuck L says:
January 8, 2014 at 6:17 pm
Caleb, I think that if the “Siberian Express” gets established in 10 days or so,….
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I certainly hope it gets established then. The State of the Union Address is on Tuesday, January 28, 2014. Be nice if Mother Nature added a blizzard to the ceremony.
u.k.(us) says:
January 8, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Gunga Din says:
January 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm
“It’s even in our pencils! How much more advanced would we be without pencils and what they’ve produced?”
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I’m using a:
STAEDTLER/ Mars Lumograph (2H) pencil , as we speak.
Something like it, probably got us to the moon,…. and back.
Real engineers use the .5mm size. The .7mm size is for those who lack control or a sufficient stock of replacement leads. – My current favorite is the Papermate Clear Point .5mm.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PV2KYM/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001PV2KYM&linkCode=as2&tag=poweandcont-20
Pamela Gray says: @ January 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm
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Congrats, (We certainly need more smart farmers)
DOES he fly fish
Occasionally. But he mostly ships them.
Oh, Puke.
What a stinking pile of horse poo – if you look at his graphic the extended polar vortex over thousands of kilometers would cause an enormous global drop in average temperature. Measured the way they do, that would represent global cooling, not global warming! The video is in effect saying Global Warming causes Global Cooling and that is a nonsense.
“… we control the horizontal … we control the vertical …”
Ah. The glories of analog transmission. It is all bit rates now. And jumps/static images if the signal is not strong enough. I miss the old days when you could calibrate your frequency counter with the color burst signal.
@M Simon – yea, instead of snow, you get “pixilation”.
The weather models now have North America being above-normal to the end of the forecast period on January 25th. As good as it gets in January.
So vortex here, gone tomorrow.
Now Europe and Russia are going to get the Arctic air-outflow.
PhD = Piled higher and deeper.
Holdren, it should always be recalled, is a disciple of Schneider, who pushed lying for the cause of science policy. And especially part of Ehrlich’s neo-Malthusian delusion and career funding scam.
“The reason why the activists are pushing the ‘Polar Vortex’ meme is so that people can relate to the movie, ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ ”
Yes, I remember that – the movie showed how global warming would lead to an ice age. Better stay indoors lest you freeze solid in seconds.
Where the DATA? I should be easy to find polar out breaks when the ice extent was large vs the last 8 years when the extent was small.
I’m a layman so I don’t where to find it BUT here’s a big Measured hint:
Major Florida Freezes….1977, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1989, end/stopped
http://flcitrusmutual.com/rend…freeze_timeline.aspx
They tightly measure crops, and crop failure…. there have been no major polar outbreak large/deep enough to hit Florida since 1989!
He said “no single weather episode…” but I take it that means that lots of weather episodes (of any kind) can be thought of to be caused by global warming/climate change…blah, blah.
Their current argument is that no single event proves or disproves that there is no global warming. That is fair.However some of the alarmists then turn around and use the same single events to prove that global warming exists, like the single warm month in Russia and the warm summer in Australia . They argue in circles that is both dishonest and deceitful . Even when one presents longer term evidence that there has actually been no global warming for 17 years and the winters across the Northern Hemisphere have been cooling now for at least 15 years and to the extent that this cooling now carries through to the spring season in Canada and the cooling is starting already in the fall in United States , the policymakers try to hide these fact of a cooling planet from the public as we saw with the latest IPCC report . In United States cooling has been well underway now for at least 15 years The same is happening in Canada.
The following are monthly temperature trends for Contiguous US or 48 state as calculated by the NCDC/NOAA Climate at a Glance web page for the last 15 years [1998-2013 The figure reflect the linear trend in Fahrenheit degrees per decade
JAN -1.49 F/decade (declining)
FEB -2.64 (declining)
MAR +1.39 (rising)
APR -0, 22 (declining)
MAY -0.58 (declining)
JUN +1.18 (rising)
JUL +0.28 (rising)
AUG +0.03 (flat)
SEPT +0.09 (flat)
OCT -0.58 (declining)
NOV -0.75 (declining)
DEC -0.70 (declining)
Summary
7 months are declining, 2 months are flat, and 3 months are rising
WINTER AND FALL have DECLINING TEMPERATURES
SPRING AND SUMMER have RISING TEMPERATURES [spring is almost flat]
ANNUAL OR 12 MONTHS (JAN-DEC) -0.16F/decade SLIGHTLY DECLINING OR (almost flat)
Winter temperatures have been declining since 1998 in UNITED STATES All major temperature regions used by NCDC/NOAA show winter cooling for 1 5 years
M Simon says:
January 9, 2014 at 3:58 am
u.k.(us) says:
January 8, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Gunga Din says:
January 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm
Us former commercial artists have you guys beat, hands down. We take an
X-Acto knife and use it to whittle down the blunt end of a pencil; scraping the wood away from the lead, making it more or less into a crude point. Then we pull out our trusty sandpaper pads. The sandpaper pad looks a little like a small wood paint stirrer with strips of sandpaper glued or stapled to it; as the sandpaper gets used up it’s torn off to reveal a clean sheet. Anyway, we sand the lead down into a fine point. If we’re true professionals we check that point against a fingertip. Then we start to work.
We should not let this single SSW/polar vortex breakout event hide the fact that winters have been getting colder in North America before this event already, The polar vortex event reduced the base winter temperatures further . The polar vortex breakout event is like turning on the air coditioning in a room that was already getting colder due the colder winter trend . There is a colder winter temperature trend developing in many parts of Canada since 1998 and this colder air will sooner or later affect United States and North America
In Canada, the winter temperature departures from 1961-1990 averages [as per Environment Canada data] have been basically flat since 1998 when measured on the National level. However regionally it is quite a different picture. 7 of 11 major temperature regions represented by about 53 % of Canadian land areas [, mostly western and north western Canada,] have had winter temperatures declining since 1998. For another 20 % of the land areas involving Northeastern forest areas (Ontario and Quebec], the winter temperatures have been flat since 1998. Only the Atlantic region and Arctic Tundra, Mountains and Fiords, representing about 27 % of the land area show winter warming since 1998 mostly due to the past warm Atlantic Ocean. However the Canadian Arctic region has now started to cool post 2010 and winter temperature departures have already been 4-5 degrees cooler in the Arctic, tundra mountains and fiords. The current winter looks like it is going to be extremely cold across most of Canada but especially in the west, northwest and the Great Lakes region where temperatures around -55 C are being recorded. January and February are predicted to have below normal temperatures. I see Canadian winters getting even colder over the next several decades and new winter records being set as both coastal areas and the Arctic also cool due to cooling north Atlantic and North Pacific ocean SST.
“Decreased temperature difference between the tropics and the poles results in stronger storms”
Wouldn’t that actual cause more moderate storms?
Was thinking of watching it twice but the music tries to put me into a catatonic state to be brainwashed and my bs meter went off shortly into the video anyway.
Holdren says “a growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak, is a pattern that we can expect to see with increasing frequency”.
Back in 1971 John Holdren believed that human activity was going to cause a new ice age. When that didn’t happen and things got warmer through the 80’s and 90’s he switched his stance saying that human activity is causing global warming.
For the last 17 years however temps have plateaued and now they seem to be heading back down again. But instead of just switching back to the whole ice age thing again Holdren seems to be mixing the two theories by saying that it’s getting warmer in the North Pole which is causing it to get colder here in the U.S..
So he’s basically politicizing the weather by saying, whenever there is bad weather of any kind, man is to blame, so we need to tax you so we can make good weather.
I am reminded of the scene from the movie ‘Wizard of Oz’ when Dorothy discovers that the Wizard isn’t a wizard at all but just smoke and mirrors when she sees the man behind the curtain. Being revealed as a fake the wizard tries to divert Dorothy by saying “Pay no attention to man behind the curtain!”
I am also reminded of the famous George Bush quote.
“fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
George Lawson says:
January 9, 2014 at 2:45 am
Where was Holdren’s explanation for the past 17 years of no warming or the increase in sea levels that his cohorts were forecasting?
Before we ask where his explanation was, we need to be sure he even believes it. I do not know what he thinks, however I would really like to know if he or someone else advised Obama according to:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/21/ten-years-of-accelerated-global-warming/
“During the July 2013 U.S. Senate hearing at which Roger Pielke Jr. and Roy Spencer gave stellar testimony to the visible discomfiture of the climate-extremist witnesses, none of the “Democrat” Senators and none of the people they had chosen to testify before them was at all anxious to defend Mr. Obama’s assertion that over the past decade global warming has been accelerating at an unforeseen rate.
At a fund-raiser for the “Democratic” Congressional Campaign Committee in Chicago May 29, he had said, “We … know that the climate is warming faster than anybody anticipated five or ten years ago.” He had added, “I don’t have much patience for people who deny climate change.””
“The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.”
What one single weather episode can prove is that “Political Science” is the only science that “Planetary Regime” Johnny cares about.
What does the ultimate authority on global warming have to say on winters?
So, the White House is wrong on the causes of the Polar Vortex and the IPCC is wrong on warmer winters. Hmmmmm. Any claims on the polar vortex breakout being caused by man’s greenhouse gases needs to be published in the scientific journals please. That’s what Warmists insist on so insist on that.
Alec, aka Daffy Duck says: @ January 9, 2014 at 6:06 am
They tightly measure crops, and crop failure…. there have been no major polar outbreak large/deep enough to hit Florida since 1989!
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Sorry, there you are wrong.
Arctic blast devastates Florida’s citrus, wildlife
I find this documented case of arm waving and excuses very encouraging. The reason is that there will be many more random and excited excuses to follow as the AMO declines in combination with PDO decline, south Atlantic cooling, and solar cycle fall off. Although win-the-day political strategy has the advantage of short time horizons for ridiculous ploys, there will still some cataloging effect taking place to undermine the next attempts to carry on the parade of lies and science fraud by party leaders. (I do not believe in focusing on one leader and administration when party line is the main culprit.) Documenting the intertwined political and politicized science along the way is important to display the timeline of fraud and policy fail as it unravels.
(inspired by Elmer at 8:28am, today)
Yes, indeed, Resource Guy (10:27am), all the “arm waving and excuses {are} very encouraging.”
AGW is soooo over.
HA, HAAA!
The President is correct. No one weather event proves anything. However, way back in 2000 Dr David Viner of CRU warned that winters are getting warmer and in the future children will not know what snow is. This narrative was repeated ad nauseum through the first half of the decade.
Until it became obvious that the globe no longer was warming, most Alarmists kept to the script. Therefore, it is important that we should point out every major snow event and cold outbreak, and remind the world of the past predictions made by the IPCC and the Alarmists.
I’m surprised Holden did not hold a similar press conference to speak out against the end of the one child policy in China, given his research and public policy stance in the past on forced population controls.
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Dr. Holdren tells the American people that climate change [global warming] makes extreme weather events [like the cold spell that we just had] more likely. The problem that I see is, what is an “extreme” event ?. Some are suggesting that the current polar vortex breakout is an extreme winter event , like the similar event in January 1985[ 26.37 F] . Yes it was cold , but a check of the NCDC /NOAA records shows that there have been at least 15 cold January ‘s like 1985 January. This year’s average January temperature is not yet available. So perhaps this recent “extreme” event is just an extra colder than normal January that has happened on a fairly frequent basis since 1895 . Some say that the 2010 winter was an extreme event when the cold went all the way to Florida and froze the orange trees [ 30.55F] .. Yet there have been approx .55 January’s as cold as 2010 January since 1895. So what the alarmists now call as ‘extreme’ event winters supposedly are just regular colder winters that we have all forgotten about and are part of our periodic seasonal winter patterns. There is no evidence that these colder winters today or 100 years ago were caused by greenhouse gases generated by man nor are they all extreme events .
Eric (The Unready) Holder is a crackpot. He warned about global cooling in the 70s. In his book Eco-science,(1970s) he said food aid should be cut off to India to reduce the population, and that lithium should be added to the water.
My sweet man said this about himself and to post it here, “No, he doesn’t fly fish, now, his hobby is following a 90 pound Rotto-Rooter who chases long tails.”
The Rotto-Rooter is an older huge golden lab who is an absolutely priceless dog. He loves to point out pheasants to his master. And once in a while he chews them up instead of bringing them back. I would be the same way if my guy asked me to retrieve chocolate. Every once in a while I would eat one. Well maybe more often that every once in a while. This sweet guy saves articles on agriculture for me to read, including things related to weather and crops. So yeh, I am in heaven.
Loved the quip about shipping fish! That was funny!
The Polar Vortex is winding down, as we all knew it would. It will spring to life again. My local Oregon El Nino discussion has this to say about extreme weather events and ENSO neutral conditions: extreme stuff happens (my paraphrase).
http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/nrd/docs/dlongrange.ppt
“… he doesn’t fly fish, now,… ” {emphasis added, heh}
Oh, Pamela, he sounds perfect for you and you for him. Thanks for sharing that (and also, from yesterday, that he is highly intelligent — an essential for someone like you). And he likes big dogs — ANOTHER check in the plus column (smile). You landed a keeper, Ms. Gray. (BIG SMILE)
Janice: You two are in love!
Pamela: Don’t say that, Janice, we’re just, (glances to her left) ……. (sigh)…… what was I saying?
Mr. Wonderful (seated on couch to P.’s left): Ah, well, I don’t know, Pam, you know people ARE starting to talk, behind closed doors … (sideways glance, crooked smile)
Pamela: Well! I know a way to prove what they say is quite untrue. Here is … a practical list of Don’ts for you… (two pairs of eyes meet)
Janice: (watching them sail away from her onto faraway seas as they sit across the room, oblivious to their guest, quietly lets herself out the front door just after whispering, “too late, heh,” and pressing “Play”….)
Yup. Planting will be done by June and harvest isn’t until fall… . July would be perfect #(:)) (I’ll be watching but not asking you — things like this sometimes go south (waaa) — to see if my guess turns out to be correct… )
{Hope you don’t mind my enjoying this vicariously — just having fun and so happy for you.}
“…my guy … .” (Pamela Gray, today)
That reminded me of this — I’ll bet it fits! #(:)) — song for THIS evening.
(good dance music)
Personally, I think this topic is an improvement on the main post’s topic.
#(:))
Doesn’t Holdren’s video prove it’s really 1984…………………
I wonder if there remain any who doubt the adage, “Elections have consequences.”
Or Stalin’s quip: “Voters don’t decide elections. Vote counters decide elections.”
The following is from 2009 but I just read it this morning. I know Tim Ball and Sallie Baliunas and they are competent and honorable.
Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren involved in unfolding “Climategate” scandal
By Judi McLeod Tuesday, November 24, 2009
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17183#.UtANO5WA2M8
[excerpt]
Obama Science Czar John Holdren is directly involved in CRU’s unfolding Climategate scandal. In fact, according to files released by a CEU hacker or whistleblower, Holdren is involved in what Canada Free Press (CFP) columnist Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball terms “a truculent and nasty manner that provides a brief demonstration of his lack of understanding,commitment on faith and willingness to ridicule and bully people”.
“The files contain so much material that it is going to take some time t o put it all in context,” says Ball. “However, enough is already known to underscore their explosive nature. It is already clear the entire claims and positions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are based on falsified manipulated material and is therefore completely compromised.
“The fallout will be extensive as material continues to emerge. Reputations of the scientists involved are already destroyed, however fringe players will continue to be identified and their reputations destroyed or sullied.”
While the mainstream media is bending into pretzels to keep the scandal under the rug, Climategate is already the biggest scientific scandal in history because of the global policy implications.
A throwback to the intro of the television series Dragnet, “Ladies and Gentlemen: “The story you are about to hear is true, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent”, the innocent in Climategate have already been thrown to the ravening wolves.
“There is a multitude of small but frightening stories in the massive files,” Ball writes. “For example I’ve known solar physicists Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon for a long time. I’ve published articles with Willie and enjoyed extensive communication. I was on advisory committees with them when Sallie suddenly and politely withdrew from the fray.
I don’t know if the following events were contributing factors but it is likely. Baliunas and Soon were authors of excellent work confirming the existence of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) from a multitude of sources.
Their work challenged attempts to get rid of the MWP because it contradicted the claim by the proponents of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). Several scientists challenged the claim that the latter part of the 20th century was the warmest ever. They knew the claim was false, many warmer periods occurred in the past. Michael Mann ‘got rid’ of the MWP with his production of the hockey stick, but Soon and Baliunas were problematic. What better than have a powerful academic destroy their credibility for you? Sadly, there are always people who will do the dirty work.”
Indeed, Holdren’s emails show how sincere scientists would be made into raw “entertainment”.
How the deed was done.
A perfect person and opportunity appeared. On 16th October 2003 Michael Mann, infamous for his lead in the ‘hockey stick’ that dominated the 2001 IPCC Report, sent an email to people involved in the CRU scandal; “
Dear All,
Thought you would be interested in this exchange, which John Holdren of Harvard has been kind enough to pass along… At the time Holdren was Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy & Director, Program in Science, Technology, & Public Policy, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, John F. Kennedy School of Government. (Editor’s Note: He is now Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology—informally known as the United States Science Czar. )
““In an email on October16, 2003 from John Holdren to Michael Mann and Tom Wigley we are told:
”“I’m forwarding for your entertainment an exchange that followed from my being quoted in the Harvard Crimson to the effect that you and your colleagues are right and my “Harvard” colleagues Soon and Baliunas are wrong about what the evidence shows concerning surface temperatures over the past millennium. The cover note to faculty and postdocs in a regular Wednesday breakfast discussion group on environmental science and public policy in Harvard’s Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences is more or less self-explanatory.”
The Wednesday Breakfast Group
“This is what Holdren sent to the Wednesday Breakfast group:
“I append here an e-mail correspondence I have engaged in over the past few days trying to educate a Soon/Baliunas supporter who originally wrote to me asking how I could think that Soon and Baliunas are wrong and Mann et al. are right (a view attributed to me, correctly, in the Harvard Crimson). This individual apparently runs a web site on which he had been touting the Soon/Baliunas position.”
“The exchange Holdren refers to is a challenge by Nick Schulz editor of Tech Central Station (TCS). On August 9, 2003 Schulz wrote;
“In a recent Crimson story on the work of Soon and Baliunas, who have written for my website [1 techcentralstation.com, you are quoted as saying: My impression is that the critics are right. It s unfortunate that so much attention is paid to a flawed analysis, but that’s what happens when something happens to support the political climate in Washington. Do you feel the same way about the work of Mann et. al.? If not why not?”
“Holdren provides lengthy responses on October 13, 14, and 16 but comments fail to answer Schulz’s questions. After the first response Schulz replies, “I guess my problem concerns what lawyers call the burden of proof. The burden weighs heavily, much more heavily, given the claims on Mann et.al. than it does on Soon/Baliunas. Would you agree?” Of course, Holdren doesn’t agree. He replies, “But, in practice, burden of proof is an evolving thing-it evolves as the amount of evidence relevant to a particular proposition grows.” No it doesn’t evolve; it is either on one side or the other. This argument is in line with what has happened with AGW. He then demonstrates his lack of understanding of science and climate science by opting for Mann and his hockey stick over Soon and Baliunas. His entire defense and position devolves to a political position. His attempt to belittle Soon and Baliunas in front of colleagues is a measure of the man’s blindness and political opportunism that pervades everything he says or does.
“Schulz provides a solid summary when he writes, “I’ll close by saying I’m willing to admit that, as someone lacking a PhD, I could be punching above my weight. But I will ask you a different but related question.
How much hope is there for reaching reasonable public policy decisions that affect the lives of millions if the science upon which those decisions must be made is said to be by definition beyond the reach of those people?”
“We now know it was deliberately placed beyond the reach of the people by the group that he used to ridicule Soon and Baliunas. Holdren was blinded by his political views, which as his record shows are frightening. One web site synthesizes his position on over-population as follows, “Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.”
“Holdren has a long history of seeking total government control. He was involved in the Club of Rome providing Paul Ehrlich with the scientific data in his bet with Julian Simon. Ehrlich lost the bet. Holdren’s behavior in this sorry episode with Soon and Baliunas is too true to form and shows the leopard never changes his spots,” Ball concludes.
Meanwhile, even with an AWOL mainstream media, the Climategate snakes continue to slither out from under the rocks.
[end of excerpt]
Those government produced videos make me feel like I am living in George Orwell’s 1984 being fed doublespeak. They must be really running scared that their scam is unravelling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_qEpsa7Swo
Allan MacRae says: @ January 10, 2014 at 9:41 am
The following is from 2009 but I just read it this morning.
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Thanks for that bit of information. Every time you think it can’t get any worse it does. Holdren is a complete sleaze and yet he holds an influential office.