The 'Cli-Tanic' Hot Sheet – News from the #SpiritofMawson fiasco

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There are a lot of news items in major media starting to appear about the folly of Professor Chris Turney’s tourism disguised as science expedition. Turney is now backpedaling on the idea that “climate change” caused them to get stuck. Perhaps the laughter has finally reached him. A roundup and video follows.

First, from the NYT:

Stranded Antarctic Ship Story, Like the Ice, Will Not Let Go

By CHRISTINE HAUSER

A team of rescuers from a Chinese icebreaker may need to be rescued themselves, soon after they plucked dozens of people from the Antarctic ice aboard a ship that had been stranded for more than a week.

Chris Turney, a leader of the expedition whose members were evacuated by the Chinese vessel Xue Long’s helicopter on Thursday, shared more photographs of the mission and then an update on Twitter about the unexpected turn of events in the rescue ordeal.

Full story here: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/stranded-antarctic-ship-story-like-the-ice-will-not-let-go/

Here is a video of the rescue operation in progress:

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From the Guardian, authored by Turney himself, who links to WUWT in the article:

Antarctic expedition: ‘This wasn’t a tourist trip. It was all about science – and it was worth it’

Chris Turney, leader of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition, says his critics are wrong: the team was prepared, the risks were known, and much was achieved

The last 24 hours have been sobering. I am sitting in the comfort of a cabin on board the Australian icebreaker the Aurora Australis, one day after evacuating the Australasian Antarctic Expedition from our Russian-crewed vessel, the MV Akademik Shokalskiy. After sleepless nights thinking about keeping everyone safe, it is a relief to know everyone is on board the Aurora and well.

There is relief, but there is also frustration over what appears to be a misrepresentation of the expedition in some news outlets and on the internet. We have been accused of being a tourist trip with little scientific value; of being ill-prepared for the conditions; putting our rescuers at risk; and making light of a dangerous situation. Others have remarked on what they describe as the “irony” of climate researchers stuck in unexpected ice.

Let’s be clear. Us becoming locked in ice was not caused by climate change. Instead it seems to have been an aftershock of the arrival of iceberg B09B which triggered a massive reconfiguration of sea ice in the area.

[See story below on the statement -Anthony]

Full story here: http://www.theguardian.com/science/antarctica-live/2014/jan/04/antarctic-expedition-was-worth-it-chris-turney

Note: This bit of justification in the article from Turney (bold) about the cost is laughable, he’s only off by a factor of 5-6. So much for scientific precision.

The aim of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition (AAE) is to lead a multidisciplinary research programme in one of the most scientifically exciting regions of our planet, straddling the Southern Ocean and East Antarctic. Using the latest in satellite technology, we are beaming images, movies and text in an attempt to excite the public about science and exploration, inspired by one of the most scientifically successful efforts in the Antarctic: the Australasian Antarctic Expedition of 1911-1914, led by British-born Sir Douglas Mawson. Starting out at the unbelievably young age of 28, Mawson managed to raise £39,000 in a year – equivalent to some $20-25m today. With this he kitted out an entire ship to discover what lay south of Australia.

Umm, I don’t know where Turney gets those numbers, but using the calculator provided by the Reserve Bank of Australia here: http://www.rba.gov.au/calculator/annualPreDecimal.html

I get:

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$4.2 million is sure a long ways from $20-25 million, but I suppose when you are always using other people’s money, being accurate doesn’t matter.

The article with Turney’s calc is saved here as a PDF Turney-spiritofmawson-and it was worth it _ Science _ The Observer  -Anthony

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Turney Backpedals! Now Says Getting Stuck In Sea Ice NOT Due To Climate Change”!

By P Gosselin on 4. Januar 2014

It appears that now even Professor Chris Turney admits blaming his expedition mishap on global warming was an astronomical stretch after all.

Yesterday I reported here, quoting flagship Swiss daily (NZZ), that his communication director Alvin Stone blamed global warming for the vessel getting trapped in ice. The whole world laughed.

I couldn’t believe it myself so I wrote an e-mail to Stone asking if they really believed this.

Stone answered circa 9 hours later:

Dear Pierre,

That is not quite the quote that I gave.

This is my understanding from talking to Chris and other glaciologists.

  • The 120km long ice berg B09B that is grounded in Commonwealth Bay broke away from the continent three years ago, very likely as a result of climate change.
  • B09B collided with the Mertz Glacier, smashing a large ice tongue that released the ice into that area.
  • It was a mix of this ice that was blown across the path of the Shokalskiy, which led to it being trapped and explains why much of the ice surrounding the ship is old ice.

Chris discusses the situation in a blog entry, here.

– See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/04/turney-backpedals-now-says-getting-stuck-in-sea-ice-not-due-to-climate-change/#sthash.rG7qwsHv.CeXyK3bZ.dpuf

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Australian taxpayers will pay $400,000 cost for climate scientist’s ship stuck in ice. Total cost “millions”.

The saga just keeps going. The Chinese Icebreaker is now also stuck, and has asked for help so the Aurora Australis with 52 extra passengers rescued from the Russian Charter boat have to stay nearby to help. Twenty two Russian sailors are still trapped on board the Russian boat — the Akademik Sholaskiy. Plus other scientists in Antarctica still don’t have their equipment.  Costs for everyone involved are continuing to rise. Though there is a free-for-all on social media…

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/01/australian-taxpayers-will-pay-400000-cost-for-climate-scientists-ship-stuck-in-ice-total-cost-millions/

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Antarctic Debacle Probably Biggest Setback For Campaigners Since Climategate

  • Date: 03/01/14 Christopher Caldwell, Financial Times

The debacle in the Antarctic ice is probably the largest setback for global warming campaigners since Climategate scandal in 2009.

When a Chinese helicopter rescued 52 passengers from a Russian climate-science cruise ship trapped in ice off Antarctica, it was a skilfully managed end to an ordeal that had begun on Christmas Eve. It was also a debacle for climate change activists. The 233-foot Akademik Shokalskiy, a Russian meteorological ship leased by the Australian tour outfit Aurora Expeditions, had been on a mission called the “Spirit of Mawson”. It aimed to replicate part of a gruelling voyage the explorer Douglas Mawson had made in 1912. The ship carried 22 scientists looking to perform various experiments, led by Chris Turney, a professor of climate change at the University of New South Wales. They were joined by 26 tourists paying for the adventure, along with journalists for The Guardian, BBC and The Sydney Morning Herald.

http://www.thegwpf.org/ft-antarctic-debacle-biggest-setback-campaigners-climategate/

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This speaks for itself, now the USA is involved:

USA to the rescue! US Coast Guard Ice breaker asked to assist Antarctic rescue vessels trapped in ice due to #spiritofmawson fiasco

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Even NYT’s Andrew Revkin, who has been on such expeditions himself, is calling it a fiasco:

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As are the French:

French Polar Chief slams SpiritofMawson fiasco

This really has been a PR debacle of amazing proportions. The ship stuck in ice has captured something larger than I would have expected. Methinks the timing must be apropos.

Good scientists are distancing themselves from the publicity hungry climate lightweights and commentators on both sides of the fence are agreeing in their criticism.

A third effect we are barely starting to see may ripple on for months — that’s when mass-media victims realize that the “Russian Tourist ship” was really a boat load of Australian and New Zealander scientists, paid for mostly by taxpayers and loaded and advised by supposedly “expert” climate scientists. This misinformation was despite the boat having BBC, and Guardian media on board, and Fairfax press in one of the rescue icebreakers. Today I see evidence of the first two effects.

From Skynews. The French chief of polar science calls the Spirit of Mawson trip “pseudo-scientific” and laments the effect it is having on real research.

The head of France’s polar science institute has voiced fury at the misadventures of a Russian ship trapped in Antarctic ice, deriding what he called a tourists’ trip that had diverted resources from real science.

More here: http://joannenova.com.au/2014/01/french-polar-chief-slams-spiritofmawson-fiasco/

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This animation is hilarious:

ACM on Chris Turney and the Akademik Shokalskiy fiasco

By on 4 January, 2014

http://australianclimatemadness.com/2014/01/04/acm-on-chris-turney-and-the-akademik-shokalskiy-fiasco/

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Anthony writes: “$4.2 million is sure a long ways from $20-25 million, but I suppose when you are always using other people’s money, being accurate doesn’t matter.”
The climate science exaggeration factor appears in line with other estimates.

Reed Coray

Chris Turney: “This wasn’t a tourist trip. It was all about science – and it was worth it”?
Worth it to whom?
Not to me. Wait, I take that back. The embarrassment to the CAGW cause was well worth it.

Athlete

Looks like Turney put $39,000 through the Mann-o-matic.

Manfred

sea ice increase is climatic.
That article doesn’t make sense.
If there is a disaster, such as a Taifun and at the same time global cyclone energy is unchanged or decreasing, we still hear it is due or partly due to AGW, because a (probaly un-) related variable (temperature) increased. This is nonsense. If global cyclone energy is not increasing you can’t come up with another variable to explain why it should have increased, then assume it increased when its not and blame it on global warming.
But here, we have 30 years plus of of cooling and the very variable sea-ice increasing. (By the way, the Antarctic peninsula is now cooling as well after the PDO flip to negative.). 30 plus years are regarded as climatic timescale. When sea-ice increases for 30 years and someone gets stuck in sea ice there is a climatic connection.

TomRude

The tribulation of 3 y old berg B09B breaking off “very likely due to climate change”, its collision with Mertz glacier and the storm “not due to climate change” blowing it off to encase their ship is truly collector! 😉

Ronald

It would be a big splash when all the ice broke off? But ok AGwers alike believe him so trip saved.

charles nelson

Turney’s napkin calculation of the cost of Mawson’s expedition is wildly out….by a factor of five or six in fact. But of course it’s more about the ‘effect’ of his statement (making his profligacy seem small) than the accuracy of the numbers. A bit like Global Warming itself really.

Ozhorse

“…..a misrepresentation of the expedition in some news outlets and on the internet. We have been accused of being a tourist trip.”
Yes, first and foremost by the ABC and BBC. This guy sure is good at kicking own-goals.

Will Nelson

It must be the sensitivity settings on the Reserve Bank calculator are too low. They should be adjusted however needed to be more inline with the predetermined reality.

Do you suppose there will ever be an honest accounting of the costs of this fiasco?

Mick J

A couple of negative comments from the French viewpoint, one from the head of their reearch programme there.
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“The head of France’s polar science institute has voiced fury at the misadventures of a Russian ship trapped in Antarctic ice, deriding what he called a tourists’ trip that had diverted resources from real science.
In an interview with AFP, Yves Frenot, director of the French Polar Institute, said he had no issue at all with rescuing those aboard the stricken vessel.
He said the trip itself was a ‘pseudo-scientific expedition’ that, because it had run into difficulties, had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica.
‘There’s no reason to place Antarctica off-limits and to keep it just for scientists, but this tourism has to be monitored and regulated so that operators can be sure of getting help if need be,’ he said.
The Russian vessel, the Akademik Shokalskiy, became stuck on December 24 in frozen seas, 100 nautical miles east of the French Antarctic base, Dumont d’Urville.
Its 52 passengers – scientists, tourists and journalists – were airlifted on Thursday to an Australian government supply vessel, the Aurora Australis, using a helicopter from a Chinese icebreaker, the Xue Long.
The Xue Long itself may now be trapped in the ice, and the Aurora Australis has been placed on standby to see if the Chinese ship needs help.
In addition, a French Antarctic vessel, the Astrolabe, which resupplies Dumont d’Urville during the Antarctic summer between October and March was requisitioned for a week to help in the rescue operation.
The trip on the Akademik Shokalskiy was aimed at emulating a 1911-1914 expedition by the Australian explorer, Sir Douglas Mawson.
‘This kind of commemorative expedition has no interest from a scientific point of view,’ said Frenot.
Because of the rescue operations, French scientists had had to scrap a two-week oceanographic campaign this month using the Astrolabe, Frenot said.
‘The Chinese have had to cancel all their scientific programme, and my counterpart in Australia is spitting tacks with anger, because their entire summer has been wiped out.’
Antarctica has about 80 scientific bases, of which around 40 are permanently staffed and others manned on a seasonal or temporary basis.
Only three bases are inland; the others are on the coast.
‘If we want these bases to operate all year round, it is essential to resupply with food and fuel during the brief window of opportunity,’ Frenot said.
Diverting supply ships to rescue tasks ‘imperilled’ this link, he said.”
http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=939155&cid=BP_RSS_TOPSTORIES_3_PolarchiefslamsAntarcticcruise_040114
Another French viewpoint while UK media pretend it was just a tourist ship:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.contrepoints.org%2F2014%2F01%2F04%2F152161-akademik-shokalskiy-le-temps-des-interrogations

Clay Marley

I’m not sure why Turney and others continue to mischaracterize iceberg B09B as having calved in 2010.
It did not. It calved off the Ross Ice shelf in 1987.
For over 20 years, instead of moving north, it moved slowly around the coast until it got grounded just east of Mertz Glacier.
It wasn’t until 2010 that it ground against the Mertz Glacier Tongue, which broke off.
The Mertz Glacier tongue, now called iceberg C28 drifted away from the coast and broke up. Then B09B continued around the coast and has been in the Commonwealth Bay area for years, resulting in heavy ice. This was well known to the expedition before they left. The effects of this ice movement and resulting changes in the polynyas have been studied for years.
The day they got stuck in the ice, they were out counting penguin nests. The population has decreased in this area because of the heavy ice from these icebergs, but should rise again once B09B and the “fast ice” around it moves out.
That may take years.

pat

i just posted the following on the “Xue Lond beset by ice” thread, along with some other stuff in response to artwest on how James Randerson at the Guardian is responding to many of the comments on the Turney article. surely this contradicts Turney’s “all about science” remark:
11 Sept: ABC PM: UNSW organises Antarctic trek to celebrate centenary of Mawson expedition
MARK COLVIN: One of the expedition leaders is climate change specialist Professor Chris Turney.
CHRIS TURNEY: There’s a number of things we’re hoping to do, and we’re going to start the science program as soon as we head south. This is very much not just for pure science research program: we’re taking the public with us, berths are for sale.
MARK COLVIN: It’s a privately funded expedition.
CHRIS TURNEY: Privately funded expedition, so we’ve just secured an ice-strengthened vessel, something called the Shikowski (phonetic), which is up in Vladivostok at the moment heading down towards us very soon…
MARK COLVIN: Alright, well Australia’s just elected a government which, I think it’s fair to say, is more sceptical about global warming and certainly about what to do about it. Do you think they’ll be listening to you when we get back?
CHRIS TURNEY: I think to be perfectly honest, that in the first instance, we’re just trying to get people excited by the science, and rather than it being an issue where people have a gut feeling about whether they believe in climate change or not, it’s actually getting them to be re-engaged and excited about the science.
And if politicians listen and get excited about what we’re doing, that’d be brilliant.
MARK COLVIN: And as you know, the scepticism has extended right into the science. What do you think about that?
CHRIS TURNEY: It has in the public domain somewhat. Certainly in the scientific community, it’s remarkably solid…
MARK COLVIN: But a lot of scientists feel kind of somewhat besieged at the moment because of this public scepticism.
CHRIS TURNEY: Yeah, some do certainly; those who engage a lot with the public and some individuals do struggle with that a little bit. Other people, though, I’ve met and I’ve given talks to – when you explain the science – completely understand the basic premise and at the end of the day for us, it’s so self-evident, what we see now.
MARK COLVIN: What is that?
CHRIS TURNEY: Well, the fundamental issue is if you didn’t have carbon in the atmosphere, the planet would be about minus 50 degrees centigrade, give or take – that’s what you’d have. So a little bit of carbon warms the planet, and that’s good, it’s where we’re at today – an average planet temperature of about 14, 15, degrees.
If you put more carbon in the atmosphere, you’d expect the planet to warm, and basically that’s what you see…
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3846720.htm

Poa

So our modern day Titanic deliberately runs into icebergs named B00Bs ? And get trapped in B09B? Flat, icebergs that don ‘t look like any other iceberg ever? Icebergs that look like, well…seaice?
after this, If you believe in Anthropological Global Warming, the true scientific world is laughing. AT you!

Kaboom

Guess whose name is dirt in both the Antarctic research community (actual science) and among “the team” for singlehandedly pissing off both groups with the impact of his Keystone cop trip and the resulting PR nightmare for the AGW narrative. This makes you almost want to donate so he can do another one.

MattS

Bob Greene,
I doubt there will every be any accounting of the costs of this fiasco honest or otherwise.

John Tillman

A Chinese Ka-32 suffered an accident in Antarctica on Dec. 8, 2011. The Kamov series of counter-rotating twin blade helicopters began life as Russian anti-sub platforms.

Ted Clayton

There is a way for Prof. Turney to refute characterizations of the Spirit of Mawson undertaking as lacking in scientific merit & value.
That will be, to get the raw data they have collected during the expedition posted online, so everyone can see what was achieved.
I doubt that will happen, because I imagine that as Dr. Turney forthright describes in a different context, he & his expedition have put their priority attention on the needs of paying passengers.
They made their enterprise a ‘cruise’, rather than an ‘expedition’, in order to get funding. And even at that … MV Akademik Shokalskiy has berths for 54, and they took only 52.

Political Junkie

Questions that might be asked of Turney:
Why aren’t you still on the ship? Exactly why did you need to be “rescued?”
If the answer is: “We were in imminent mortal danger,” then why is the full crew still on the ship?
Apparently there was no shortage of food and the ship could have been supplied by air drops if and when it became necessary. If there was no imminent danger then the whole expensive, disruptive and dangerous “rescue” operation was solely for the convenience of Turney and the other “eco-tourists” whose Antarctic escapade had run low on booze and who were simply becoming bored.

onetwotreeman

Turney’s background with Carbonscape deserves wider scrutiny. https://opencorporates.com/companies/nz/1882024
A few of these shareholders were on board the ship of fools.

Manfred

Wow wow wow !
50 degrees due to CO2 – Chris Turney does not even know the very basics of climate science.
CHRIS TURNEY: Well, the fundamental issue is if you didn’t have carbon in the atmosphere, the planet would be about minus 50 degrees centigrade, give or take – that’s what you’d have. So a little bit of carbon warms the planet, and that’s good, it’s where we’re at today – an average planet temperature of about 14, 15, degrees.
If you put more carbon in the atmosphere, you’d expect the planet to warm, and basically that’s what you see…
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3846720.htm

jakee308

In Russia, ice breaks you!
The jokes just write themselves.

It could be that some people are moved by the irony, specially if they realize this is already summer down there in Antarctica.
I’m wishing the best for the crew still aboard the Akademik, they will have to work very hard against the clock to get it to move again, and float.

Lloyd Martin Hendaye

“Clitanic” as Ice Queen embodies Warmists’ baldly fetishistic hyper-pilosity. Can’t something be done?

Manfred

Wow wow wow !
65 degrees due to CO2 – Chris Turney is not even familiar with the very basics of climate science. And the context shows, it is not a lapsus. It his fundamental argument to brush of sceptics ! How could he miss water vapour ?
MARK COLVIN: But a lot of scientists feel kind of somewhat besieged at the moment because of this public scepticism.
CHRIS TURNEY: Yeah, some do certainly; those who engage a lot with the public and some individuals do struggle with that a little bit. Other people, though, I’ve met and I’ve given talks to – when you explain the science – completely understand the basic premise and at the end of the day for us, it’s so self-evident, what we see now.
MARK COLVIN: What is that?
CHRIS TURNEY: Well, the fundamental issue is if you didn’t have carbon in the atmosphere, the planet would be about minus 50 degrees centigrade, give or take – that’s what you’d have. So a little bit of carbon warms the planet, and that’s good, it’s where we’re at today – an average planet temperature of about 14, 15, degrees.
If you put more carbon in the atmosphere, you’d expect the planet to warm, and basically that’s what you see…
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3846720.htm

@ A.W….you might want to transpose the words ‘always’ and ‘using’….”$4.2 million is sure a long ways from $20-25 million, but I suppose when you are using always other people’s money, being accurate doesn’t matter. -A”.

geologyjim

Thanks for all the links. The Turney Fiasco is the gift that keeps on giving.
In the Lapdog Media, this story will get the Clinton-Lewinsky treatment. First, the meme that “she was old enough to make her own decisions”. Second, thoughtful consideration of what really constitutes “sexual relations”. Third, sociologists weigh in on the positive aspects of lying – “It’s a normal coping mechanism”, then “Everyone does it”. Fourth, the dalliance didn’t hamper Clinton’s performance of his official duties. Fifth, explanations that this is, afterall, private behavior and should not be compared to public exhibitions. Finally, discussion of what the meaning of “is” is.
So the media will end up discussing the meaning of “ice”.
Move along, nothing to see here.

Roy Jones

In the UK today’s Daily Telegraph is still pushing the idea of AGW being the cause of the sea ice that trapped them. The Telegraph’s story is that melting of the ice cap put extra fresh water into the sea which froze more easily than sea water. It seems that no one sent Geoffrey Lean the new script.

Maggiedog3

TheGuardian media guy in his video says “this has been quite an intense morning.” Behind him at 0:16, one of his ‘scientific colleagues’ is throwing a snowball! Perhaps a study of how Antarctic snowball ballistics are affected by AGW?

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Why didn’t they just book on a National Geographic expedition cruise? Then they might have got to do really cool stuff like this; Link http://www.antarctic-circle.org/shortcut.htm

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A C Osborn

How Ironic, the BBC & Guardian try to hide that it is a Scientific Expedition and now he is telling the world that it is.

CT explains the ‘precious scientific data’ collected during the expedition to the still somewhat confused milkshake kid
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CoolAntarctica.htm

Andyj

“CHRIS TURNEY: Well, the fundamental issue is if you didn’t have carbon in the atmosphere, the planet would be about minus 50 degrees centigrade, give or take – that’s what you’d have”
Well, if thats the quality of a climate change “scientist” then they are on very thin ice.
Everybody knows a body in space around the Earth averages 0 Centigrade.

Skeptic

I see it all, in spite of all precautions, iceberg B09B snuck up on them and they were trapped.

Meanwhile, Seven Sunrise in Sydney has just interviewed Timmy Flim Flam. He assures his interviewers that skeptics really don’t understand the big picture, because you have to look at all levels of the atmosphere not just near the ground. He says the IPCC is where the scientists are, and they know all the heat is going into the ocean.
Nodding amonst themselves, they found that convicing.
Does Donna’s book come in hardback? There’s somebody i want to hit with it.

BBC and Guardian journalists? Must all he above board then surely? Fine unbiased reporters from these two fine institutions wouldn’t be involved in anything less than a professional scientific expedition would they? And pigs might fly……

R. de Haan

1935, Roses and Daffodils blooming in Britain: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/january-3-1935-roses-and-daffodils-blooming-in-britain/
Nothing more dynamic but the weather.
As for the AGW crowd telling us that the in infra red heat exchange by greenhouse gases, especially human emitted Co2 is causing a catastrophic and irreversible heating of the earth’s atmosphere I think we can agree with this:
Their static climate models are not able to predict a dynamic system and their assessments have corrupted.
Their science is completely BS and their political objectives are completely insane.
Read about the well documented climate extremes in the past and enjoy the most favorable weather conditions we experience today.
I say, find a real job and do something useful.
This planet doesn’t need to be saved and we don’t want your green ideology to destroy our economies, our civilization and our freedoms.
The same goes for our current political establishment and their propaganda machinery.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/01/obamas-second-term-is-all-about-climate-change.html
They have pushed this climate hoax and their centralized power grab too far and now the time has come for a serious reset.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/experts-speak-out-about-global-warming/
Here IMO they have two choices.
They can do a reset themselves and role back their devastating plans and regulations or people will find a way to give them some expert help.
Anyhow, we’re fed up with all the corruption, the fraud, the waste of good taxpayer money, the economic decline, the loss of jobs and above all, the loss of civil rights and freedoms.
From a historic perspective the current situation is not new.
The Finns, totally unprepared, faced a Russian invasion at the start of WWII.
The following article provides the insights.
Violence in the face of tyranny is often necessary:
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1911-violence-in-the-face-of-tyranny-is-often-necessary

TerryMN

I wonder if anyone has asked Turney what roles his wife and young child played in the “scientific” expedition, and who paid their fares?

Oops. Make that Weekend Sunrise, convincing, and I.

Alvin Stone says,”The 120km long ice berg B09B that is grounded in Commonwealth Bay broke away from the continent three years ago, very likely as a result of climate change. B09B collided with the Mertz Glacier, smashing a large ice tongue that released the ice into that area. It was a mix of this ice that was blown across the path of the Shokalskiy, which led to it being trapped and explains why much of the ice surrounding the ship is old ice.”
His understanding is just plain wrong.
B-98 is only about 100km, unless of course the ice berg has grown in size in the last 24 hours.
Then he says that the released ice from that impact on Mertz Glacier, with a mix of other ice is to blame for stranding the Shokalskiy.
Yet as I reported in a recent blog here at wp.me/pOWA1-bM, that is impossible.
No, I am afraid that CAGW had nothing to do with this fiasco. Nor is his understand even close to reality.
Just as it has been covered here, and elsewhere, Chris Turney won’t be able to talk or pixel his way out of the mess he’s got himself into.

Gunga Din

Turkey, “This wasn’t a tourist trip. It was all about science – and it was worth it
That’s good to hear. That must mean he’s going to cover all the expenses!
(Now where did I put that sarc tag….)

A. Scott

The arrogance of at least one rescued passenger is astounding – but not the least surprising.
After the massive effort rescue them, and after significantly affecting the work of their rescuers, which is based on a small window of favorable weather, and decimating their rescuers budgets, putting their entire season of work in peril, one of those “rescued” had this to say about the delay of the Aussie ship in standing by to help the Chinese icebreaker if needed:
“An Australian icebreaker carrying the 52 passengers is waiting in open water to see if it has to go back to help the Chinese icebreaker Snow Dragon. The trapped vessel says it will try to break free when the tide conditions change in the next few hours. The Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis is waiting around 7 miles north of the Snow Dragon as a precaution. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority says there’s no immediate danger to the Snow Dragon.

Before the Aurora was asked to remain in the area, it was en route to the Australian island state of Tasmania to drop off its rescued passengers.
Andrew Peacock, a rescued passenger aboard the Aurora Australis, says he’s frustrated in the change of plans.
“Frustrated because we had hoped to have some certainty regarding a plan for returning to family and loved ones after already many changes, but of course we are very aware why there is a new situation here and so can’t be too upset,” Peacock told ABC News in a statement. “Having to just accept the situation for what it is and find ways to stay calm about it all and keep occupied – it’s a wonderful environment, a beautiful sunset over the ice right now.”
The five-hour rescue mission Thursday included five helicopter trips and smiles all around once the operation was over.”

Although he acknowledges the reason and necessity for the delay I still find his comments disrespectful and arrogant considering the massive efforts, disruption and costs their folly has caused.
The crews from 2 ships have abandoned their own legitimate and important work – risking their entire season, and spent days, and huge sums of money, helping and then rescuing these passengers from their silly lark. And this yahoo has the audacity to complain of being “frustrated” by the delay in getting them home to their “family and loved ones.”
You can only shake your head at the arrogance and cluelessness.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/chinese-icebreaker-trapped-helping-antarctic-rescue/story?id=21409396

Lawrie Ayres

onetwotreeman,
Thanks for the reference to the corporation page. I note our own extremist warmist Tim Flannery gets a mention as a 0.54% shareholder. After the debacle of his Geothermal adventures you would think he’d shy away from climate investments. They haven’t done his bank account much good. The Turneys seem to have the lion’s share so keeping the warming scare alive would be very important to the family’s financial future. A collapse of public support and withdrawal of carbon initiatives would render their shares worthless so we have a warmist with a serious conflict of interest doing “science” to show how climate change (man made of course) is destroying the world as we know it. How can a man who is so dependant on a particular outcome be an unbiased researcher??

Rud Istvan

Turnkey should have learned Churchill’s dictum: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt. Which he and his team continue to do.
The generally accepted temp absent water vapor feedback is about -18C, not – 50C. And he is supposed to be a climate professor?

rogerthesurf

Did anyone get this link showing the pre expedition publicity of the exposition?
No doubt it was an AGW inspired trip.
Talk about BS. Looks like he wanted the leopard seal to become the Antarctic Polar Bear symbol.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/15-million-australian-expedition-to-antarctica/5116158
Cheers
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

dp

Turney’s wife and kids were along for… science? Speaking of the inter-human aspect, I’m reminded of the Great Blackout that stranded millions of urbanites when power was lost to the US north east. 9 months later the babies started popping up. This story is far from over.

rogerthesurf

Sorry “expedition”
So much for the auto spell check on my new computer.
Cheers
Roger

This “trip,” this “expedition,” was to be a corporate publicity campaign for CARBONSCAPE. The Carbonscape website asks for investors! Do we all understand that? They ask, beg, suggest, “potential” investors to contact them. The chutzpah! They did this trip to raise money for Chris Turney’s corporation. UNCONSCIONABLE… unconscionable!