Paging Dr. David Viner, white courtesy phone please
Here is the map from NOAA’s National Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center showing the snow coverage at 53%, the most in 11 years for this date.
December 15, 2013
| Area Covered By Snow: | 53.0% |
| Area Covered Last Month: | 5.8% |
And here are the past 11 years for this date, December 15th:
Image courtesy on NWS Kansas City, MO
Wish the images went further back in time. Could play it like a movie and eyeball for interesting trends. I wanted to see 1998 but the site seems to start at 2003. Too short a period to do anything interesting with the data…and now I am curious.
Seems to me to be a good reason to live south of I-10.
The fun part is that this wil bring temperature down and so the averige temperature. And yes that means that its not warming up. But stil december wil be 0,6 degrees C to warm. It wis time that someone looks at the raw temperature data to figure out were we realy standing. My bet will be between 10.5 and 11.5 degrees C
More than five years ago Alogore predicted that the North Pole would be ice free in 5 years.
BZ-Z-Z-ZT!!
Wrong.
But thanx for playing, Al. You’ve been a good sport (not). Vanna has some lovely parting gifts for you on your way out…
Thanks for the post. It is interesting stuff. But the official records will still be altered to reflect the political needs of the Team and the State. I am thinking it is time for them to claim “The HOTTEST Year Ever” yet again.
Every time they “adjust” records in the 30s (or whatever) lower and today’s records higher to prove their hypothesis it just says to me they know they are wrong.
I am curious as to the level of snow cover for the entire Northern Hemisphere.
Wow. It must be a sign of AGW.
/s
We all know the chicken littles of this would will claim that.
I take this as a sign. A sign that it will be a white Christmas for a whole lot of people. Nothing more, nothing less. But, isn’t this fun!!
OMG. Just think what’s going to happen when all this snow melts. Sea levels will rise and we’re all going to drown. It’s a catastrophe.
While Viner’s comment deserves top mention, don’t forget Robert F Kennedy’s comment about kids in Virginia in a hit piece on Sarah Palin:
I suspect more Virginia kids have video game consoles than sleds, but we can’t blame that on AGW.
I will note that most of Virginia didn’t get the snow, as long as Kennedy will note that there are other reasons for rope tows to be (nearly?) nonexistent these days.
Is that a snow-white courtesy telephone?
Well in the opinion of this guy that now drives a big truck for a living and is heading off tomorrow to do 4 stops every day Tuesday through Friday next week in Canada from Toronto to Windsor then back to Romulus, MI. NO! It’s NOT FUN!
I maintain records for monthly and seasonal snowfall and Snow Depth Days for a handful of sites around New England. The main message in the data seems to be that snow data is an awful data stream to use when looking for climate trends. Way, way too variable, even by New England’s “If you don’t like the weather, wait a minute” standard.
Still, that’s a lot of snow cover for mid December!
Winter temperatures in United States have been dropping now since 1998 as measured by NCDC/NOAA data sets ( Climate at A Glance). As the AtLANTIC SST cools further and both AMO and PDO are negative, the winters will get even colder and more snow will also spread across the land .We are in for 2-3 decades of cooler winters like we had 1895-1915 and again 1965-1975 and even like the late 1970’s. The Pacific and Atlantic Oceans sst cycles are heading for
their cool phase and this will take us to 2030/2045.
dbstealey says:
December 15, 2013 at 11:51 am
More than five years ago Alogore predicted that the North Pole would be ice free in 5 years.
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Yeah, it’s 5 years (almost to the day) from when he gave the lecture (or one of those lectures) in that German museum.
Of course the video is long gone from YouTube.
It was another crap scientist, like Viner, who fed him the bogus information, wasn’t it ? Can’t remember who though.
On the Canadian Prairie above the 49th parallel the winter of 1996/97 is still referred to as the ‘winter from hell’, with deep snow pack that came early and lasted longer than normal and yet the winter of 1997/98 was one of the warmest on record(very mild and no snow until after Christmas). You can see that same lack of trend highlighted in this post with this years snow coverage similar to 2007. It is still a useful exercise to point this out to our AGW adherents though, with their wild talk of a future without snow.
Jim says:
December 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm
> I am curious as to the level of snow cover for the entire Northern Hemisphere.
Try http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nh_snowcover/
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/ARCHIVE/NHem/2013/ims2013348.gif
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2013&ui_day=348&ui_set=2
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_anom.php?ui_set=0&ui_region=nhland&ui_month=11
Ric Werme says:
December 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Today, Virginia kids sled or ski on their ipads. Same as in the rest of the affluent world.
In central Washington State we had some snow 2 months ago. It melted. Repeat. Then we had some Arctic air (cold). It moved on. Now the temp has gone to 55° F and the wind just hit a gust of 53 mph. Irrigation ditches, creeks, and small lakes still have ice. So, we are not in that 53% figure – for what it is worth.
Cool!
The ice-free corridor between the canadian plains and the northern Rockies, where the first Americans are said to have crossed into America ca. 12.500 yrs before today, after they had travelled from Asia through Beringia to Alaska, can clearly be seen in that picture.
Watching this picture, Roland Emmerich’s “The Day After Tomorow” springs to mind…
We’re not in the 53% figure either down here in Florida, but I just got my power bill today. I’d rather have warming.
& Northern Forida still gets a couple of snows per decade, just like it did when the world was 0.4° colder*.
*adjusted for inflation, VAT & other applicable taxes not included, 15% restocking fee, only 5 minutes from downtown (at 240mph), Santa will ram his ovipositor down your children’s throats & lay eggs in their chests, not valid with any other offers, please consult a doctor if your anaconda wants some despite her not having buns (hon), 18% gratuity for parties of 6 or more, don’t drink and drive.
For Jim @ December 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/
That’s an awful lot of global warming covering the U.S.
/sarc
The sad thing is this snow is just abnormal weather, possibly of mild academic interest unless, of course, you are looking at your heating bills.
The reason sceptics take notice of this type of thing is to make the point that it’s weather, not that it is proof of man made global cooling.
In contrast, alarmists can be relied on to bleat that “this is firm proof of man made climate change”, whenever there is an occasional batch of unusual hot, or wild, weather somewhere in the world.
I’ll start to worry when the climate stops changing.
“Paging Dr. David Viner, white courtesy phone please”
That is a classic – still laughing to myself…
…I blame all of that heat, hiding in the abyss. Ye Deniers, just wait until it springs forth and brings blazing death unto ye all! sarc/
Thank God, I’ll be able to go ice fishing this year! I haven’t gone in the past two years, even lakes like Lake Geneva, WI didn’t have sufficient ice cover. Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.
We don’t know if such a thing will bring temps down or not. There’s no way to tell if any cold trend as a result would have been there anyway.
On my edge of the map (Pacific Northwest) it’s about 20f warmer now than it was a week ago.
I just don’t think albedo has that much of an effect.
Or west of I-5 😉
I grew up in Northern VA (Front Royal, Manassas) in the 60s and 70s. It was rare to get snow before Xmas. Some years we didn’t get much snow at all, other times we’d get dumped with a couple feet. Nothing has really changed.
The warmests will sell this a climate change from warming oceans. The oceans are hotter therefore more water evaporates and rises into the jet stream which hits the arctic air which dumps more snow. After last years floods in Alberta the large snow pack and the large rains that quickly melted it causing floods were both sold in the media as excess moisture due to extra hot glabally warmed oceans. I’m pretty sure the Colorado floods later in the summer were sold in pretty much the same way.
Global warming causes droughts and rainstorms, snowstorms and brown christmas’s, warmer than usual winters, colder than normal winters, excessively hot summers, excessively cold summers, you name the weather condition AGW has its fingers in it.
And the reason that there is a lot of snow in the US right now…
“Accelerated warming in the Arctic is decreasing the difference in temperature between the Arctic and the Northern Temperate Zone. This is causing the polar jet to slow down and become more wavy, i.e. with larger loops, as illustrated by the NASA image further below.
This is a feedback of accelerated warming in the Arctic that reinforces itself. As the jet stream slows down and its waves become more elongated, cold air can leave the Arctic more easily and come down deep into the Northern Temperate Zone.”
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/polar-jet-stream-appears-hugely-deformed.html
Now, was this caused by the INCREASE in Arctic sea ice extent over 2012 this summer? Was it caused by the
cold‘warm’ Arctic this summer? 😉 Curious minds want to know.Let me say it: Children in the southern United States won’t know what snow is.
The maximum snow depth on this page is over 110 feet.
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&year=2013&month=12&day=15&units=e
But if you look at individual snow depth records, there is none even close to 30 feet.
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/reports.html?region=National&var=snowdepth&dy=2013&dm=12&dd=15&units=e&sort=value&filter=0
Is this an error or do I not understand?
It’s persitantly above normal temperatures in the UK at present, with pretty severe storms caused by the interaction between a cold North American continent and a warm Western Europe. The loops in the jet stream are whipping these storms across western areas of Europe with a real fury. Thats why we have to look at temperatures and weather on a wider basis, it may be cold and calm in North America, but it sure ain’t here.
Absolute proof that manmade CO2 induced climate change is causing wild fluctuations in the weather. All we need to solve the problem is your gold your guns and your gas. You’re welcome…
If I’m not mistaken it was Professor Wieslaw Maslowski. How did this nutcase ever become a professor?
As you can see he thought that 2013 ice free Arctic was just being toooooo conservative.
Now we have another professor who swears there will be no sea ice left in the Arctic in August or September 2016.
Again we see toooooo conservative. Expect his date to be pushed back before he is tarred and feathered, just like Maslowski now pushes his date back to 2019. These people never give up.
In Europe I think they are getting a break, after the awful winter they had last year. However they may experience what we experienced last year, a snow-free first half, followed by a very snowy second half. (Though Philadelphia to Washington got left out, last year.)
The arctic flow has been remarkable to watch, basically coming over the top of the globe from Siberia to Alaska. Apparently this is due to a Pacific pattern. Joe Bastardi has been suggesting that as the Pacific pattern fades an Atlantic pattern, (typical of late winters when the AMO is warm and PDO is cold,) may kick in, and this would exchange one very cold pattern (for the eastern USA) with another. To make matters worse, (or better, if you like awful winters,) Joe D’Aleo has been carefully watching some hints that a “Stratospheric warming event” may be brewing, and they often are associated with extreme arctic outbreaks. To me it looks ominous so far, and a lot like winters of the late 1970’s.
During these severe winters so much cold air is exported from the Pole that we can often have situations like we had last week, where it is twenty degrees colder in Montana than it is on the North Pole. Of course, you can then expect Alarmists to wave data about showing that the Pole is warmer, ignoring the suffering of the poor and the elderly further south who can’t afford much heat, due to Alarmist’s idiotic policies. (Look back through the archives to last winter (February?) for an excellent and compassionate article Willis wrote on this subject.)
I confess to being a bit of an Alarmist myself, for I am alarmed by the way this winter is shaping up. Snow may be a laugh in December, but when it continues week after week after week after week, right to the start of April, the laughter will give way to grumbling even Washington may notice. Indeed, perhaps we should be saying, “And So It Begins.”
Snow… that white thing of the past?
Funny last year the warmunists claimed that the freezing weather was due to the decline of Arctic ice cover. This year they claim it’s the increase in Arctic ice that’s causing the cold. Personally, the latter makes a lot more sense, but either way, they are coming off as triple-o looons.
And in old ice news just in……
H/t Steven Goddard.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/1989-nasa-blamed-thickening-ice-in-greenland-on-global-warming/
Hi Caleb. Thanks for your reply to my comment on your blog which I was going to make another reply, but we’ll go with this. By the way, though, I think in a post like this talking about the Arctic air freezing half the world, when you make a long comment, imho, you should include a link to your own blog with its deep & detailed continuing coverage of the Arctic situation: http://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-advent/
For What its worth, our December is currently running about 8 degrees below normal–in the Kansas City area. Its supposed to be warmer this week, and then cool off again, to nearly 20 degrees below normal. We’ll see how it averages out at the end of the month.
Jim says:
December 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm
I am curious as to the level of snow cover for the entire Northern Hemisphere.
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9 of the 12 months show increasing NH snow cover over the past 10 yrs
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/12/14/more-on-our-lost-albedo/
A sign that it will be a white Christmas for a whole lot of people.
Is that a Santa Claus reference?
NOHRSC snow coverage for December 9
Even better on Dec 9 : 2/3 coverage for 2013
2003 27.3%
2004 22.1%
2005 58.2%
2006 24.7%
2007 51.9%
2008 34.5%
2009 55.5%
2010 35.3%
2011 35.3%
2012 26.0%
2013 66.9%
Regards,
rj
starzmom;
For fun, match a day in the month to that average, and then try and recall it. See how well it represents your month!
Ric Werme says:
December 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm
I maintain records for monthly and seasonal snowfall and Snow Depth Days for a handful of sites around New England. The main message in the data seems to be that snow data is an awful data stream to use when looking for climate trends. Way, way too variable, even by New England’s “If you don’t like the weather, wait a minute” standard.
Still, that’s a lot of snow cover for mid December!
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yup, here in etna maine I got a pretty solid measurement of 13-14″ (drifts made it hard to narrow it down further) today while 5 miles away was 11-12.
not too often its snowing that hard (was coming down pretty good) at 5 deg f.
accounting for drifts is a real pita too, have 2 spots not affected much (depending on wind direction) and its still pretty much inaccurate.
wind was pretty bad today, snowblowing the road I was ranging 8″ to 20″ within 20 feet travel.
I also wore at least an inch on my face 🙁
Martin says:
December 15, 2013 at 3:23 pm
The explanation (“accelerated warming”) you offer for cold air going deep into the south would be a lot more believable if not for documented cold and snow in Florida having arrived there well before SUVs. Have a look.
From the document linked to below, there is under the heading
“Notes on Snow and Sleet”
In 1774 there was a snow storm that extended over most of Florida. The inhabitants long
afterwards spoke of it as an extraordinary white rain.’
and this:
1766. John Bartram, the botanist, says the night of January 2 was the fatal night that destroyed the lime, citron, and banana trees in St. Augustine, together with many curious
evergreens up the river that were nearly twenty years old, and many flowering plants and shrubs that were never before hurt. Bertram, who was then camping on the St. Johns River above Volusia, says the morning of January 3 was clear and cold; thermometer 26o, and wind northwest. The ground was frozen an inch thick on the banks of the river.’
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/035/mwr-035-12-0566.pdf
These and others on pages 569-570 (+ 2 entries on page 571)
Source is Monthly Weather Review, December 1907
CLIMATOLOGY OF JACKSONVILLE, FLA., AND VICINITY.
By T. Frederick Davis
I find it hard to take predictions of snow/no snow seriously. I’ve lived in eastern North Carolina, New Orleans, SW Michigan and central Virginia. What’s “normal” is largely a matter of latitude and what’s unusual at latitude varies every year. My only interest in the snow cover map is next week I’m going from no snow to very white, driving.
Seems to me that we have periodic weather variations. Winters are warmer and colder. In NC, it seemed that the really bad winters came every 5 years or so. The only observation I can make after 2/3 century of observations is to bet against any prediction made. The expert climate scientists ought to step back and look at trends before making fools of themselves. As for, Mr. Gore, the moment he said it, I knew what the result would be.
I can only say that winters like this make me glad to be in Texas!
(and it’s been damned cold down here, too!)
Brian H at 5:44 responds to starzmom at 4:54
I don’t know about what you do when recalling a day and month of temperature but I just look at the charts for a nearby station; for example
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/climate/temp_graphs.php?stn=KYKM&wfo=pdt
I can see on the 7th, 8th, and 9th it was nearing record lows but today it is much warmer but not near a record.
Let’s see: the current North American snow field looks rather a lot like the area covered by the Last Glacial Maximum. Imagine that.
For my money, literally, it’s the cold temperatures that matters, not just the snow.
Last month, I decided to put my money where my beliefs were – that the drop in solar activity would eventually result in some unusually cold winters – so I bought future options in the US Natural Gas Fund (UNG). I’m up over 50% and it’s still going up. The cold weather might just be a happy coincidence – or not.
53% of the U.S. covered by snow? Not according to NBC nightly news (caught the report only because I was watching their tribute to Peter O’Toole and didn’t get the TV switched in time afterward). They “reported” that 1/3 of the country is covered with snow.
They can’t even tell the truth about something that’s easily checkable – doesn’t fit the narrative, ya’ know. 🙁
A very well-written site: “Sunrise’s Swansong“, tracking a floating weather station or two on the ice, and following the local consequences across the NH of lows and highs above 60°N in some detail, written by a geologist cum meteorologist cum part-time professional poet. Uses enlargeable DMI charts and maps very informatively. Dip into it, you might like it.
As Caleb hinted,,,,,, watch the oceans and oscilations of such.
Bastardi, where are you?
Picture redacted for the benefit of my Northern friends 😉
http://www.houseofzathras.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FreezeYouButtOff.jpg
Martin says that 53% of the US is covered in snow because of Arctic warming. I am so grateful to those climate scientists who can tell us exactly why unexpected weather happens with such precision and accuracy so soon after that unexpected weather has happened. Have a great day climate scientists and keep up the good work.
NASA has November 2013 as the globally warmest November on record. At +.77 C above the baseline period of 1951-1980, last month ties with October 2005 as having the largest positive anomaly in the record.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
I think I have spotted a pattern!
It appears to get cold every winter in the northern hemisphere.
I am not sure if it covers the whole NH, I’ll have to apply for another grant to do more research to get that answer.
🙂
“dbstealey says:
December 15, 2013 at 11:51 am
More than five years ago Alogore predicted that the North Pole would be ice free in 5 years.More than five years ago Alogore predicted that the North Pole would be ice free in 5 years.”
But did he actually say that?
Gore: “Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years”
Merry Christmas, EVERYONE!
I’m giving you (a plurality of you, that is) a present! I won’t be posting anymore! It has (finally, huh?) become clear to me that I am far more of a hindrance than an aid to truth, here. To those of you who may miss me, thank you, so much, for your kindness to me. I will miss you very much. To those who are heaving a sigh of relief, please forgive this non-scientist’s incessant, relentlessly enthusiastic, often off-topic, comments.
(:.))
Take care,
Janice
P.S. Oh, and one more thing… a video (of course)!:
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 16
Always know that you are loved. Always.
Felix says:
December 15, 2013 at 9:35 pm
NASA has November 2013 as the globally warmest November on record. At +.77 C above the baseline period of 1951-1980, last month ties with October 2005 as having the largest positive anomaly in the record.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
And check this image out!
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km_Anom11_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif
Sure puts things into perspective hey!
Jeff Alberts says:
December 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Ronald says:
December 15, 2013 at 11:48 am
The fun part is that this wil bring temperature down and so the averige temperature. And yes that means that its not warming up. But stil december wil be 0,6 degrees C to warm. It wis time that someone looks at the raw temperature data to figure out were we realy standing. My bet will be between 10.5 and 11.5 degrees C
We don’t know if such a thing will bring temps down or not. There’s no way to tell if any cold trend as a result would have been there anyway.
On my edge of the map (Pacific Northwest) it’s about 20f warmer now than it was a week ago.
I just don’t think albedo has that much of an effect.
Jeff your wrong. Its narrow minded thinking what you do. Its so simple but yet difficult to understand.
Try first to look at how climate works. Find the different climate regions and look how the climate there works.
If you look t that up you cane figure this one out to. The weather makes the climate and the climate makes the weather. Difficult hu. No not really.
Yes I now about the bullshit about local is no climate but yes it is. Let me tell you. Do I need to explain to you how a year looks? I don’t hope so.
Every day you experience weather wet, dry warm, hot name it you have it. Every day you could masseur the temperature and if you have the good thermometer you get 2 readings 1 the lowest and 1 the highest temperature dose 2 make the average day temperature. To make things short at the and you have a monthly average and later on you will get the yearly average.
Thats still not climate yes your wright about that. But all over the world are stations recording the same data and now satellites do the same. So all over the world there are monthly and later yearly average temperatures written down. And all those together make the climate. You see its easy you cane say what climate your in by looking at the average temperature thats way AGWers are so busy altering the temperature up.
I hope that by now you figured out how the climate regions work and now you found out that some regions have a very steady climate. Other regions are more flexible so to speak.
At the end all what counts is the average year temperature.
To giff some holding points.
We now from the past that the climate optimum was about 16 degrees C and an ice age will be as cold as 8 degrees at average that is. Smack in the middle there is 12 degrees. Now you cane see when you have global warming or cooling or its just fine in the middle.
Now for the relay hard stuff. I hope this works. Its still a work in progress.
jan feb mar apr mei jun jul aug sep okt nov dec tot gem
10 12 13 15 18 20 21 21 20 16 14 12 192 16
5 6 8 10 13 22 22 24 20 15 12 10 167 13,9166666667
3 4 6 8 15 30 35 38 22 12 10 8 191 15,9166666667
10 15 16 18 12 10 10 13 14 12 20 22 172 14,3333333333
4 6 8 10 12 14 18 22 18 14 12 8 146 12,1666666667
10 10 11 12 13 14 15 14 13 11 10 10 143 11,9166666667
12 12 13 14 15 16 17 17 16 15 13 12 172 14,3333333333 officel noaa
10 12 12 13 14 16 16 15 14 14 12 10 158 13,1666666667
what you see are the months and the average temperature for that month.
First how to get to the climate optimum and then some altering I did the same whit 12 degrees and also whit 14 degrees using the official NOAA data thats the second lowest line.
If somewhere the average temperature is down the average year temperature comes down to. Or there must be the same amount of warming somewhere els in the year. Becaus we don’t see that we now the average temperature will be down.
Now you cane see that warming cant make the world go cold because the average temperature will go down. And only if there is a much higher temperature to counteract you have a serious cooling problem. BTW the same thing cane be done for your local place and is fun to. I found out that for my place to get near average I would need 3 months of 40 degrees C temperatures, we didn’t have that so its to cold to be global warming.
Of courses there is the fudging problem we do not now exactly what the temperature is.
Is it 0.5 degrees lower or even 3 degrees lower?
However what we cane do is look at the weather because we just found out that weather tells us about the climate.
A short one for now you cane fill in the rest. northern hemisphere to cold. Southern hemisphere not relay warm. And whit its fare amount of cold to. Southern pole ice keeps growing the north pole ice is 60% up to last year. There are place on the globe where it is snowing what did-en t happen for more then 100 years.
So what dose that tell you now about the climate?
Ronald says:
December 16, 2013 at 12:50 am
Jesus H Christ what was that? o_0
The extra winter snow is the result of cold arctic air diverted south by the much increased wobbles of a weaker jet stream.
This is now known to be caused by the lower temperature differential between equator and poles as revealed by satellite measurements confirming the polar amplification of AGW.
But do not worry, while snow is highly variable in amount from year to year the one clear trend is in the decreasing amount of spring snow cover which has been melting more and disappearing earlier for several decades.
With clear implications for the albedo.
Climate
Bye, Janice. I am sorry to hear that you won’t be posting any more.
I hope the cause is nothing serious.
For what it’s worth, personal observation: I am a driver for an expedited freight service, and yesterday (12/15/2013) I had a run that took me from the Chicago area, where I live, through the length of Indiana on Interstate 65, then across Northern Kentucky on Interstate 64 to Mt Sterling. I saw snow cover down to about Edinburgh, Indiana– then grass with no snow South of that. Northern Kentucky in the stretch along I-64 was snow-free the entire distance. I don’t know about I-75 up to Cincinnati, which is the other route I occasionally take– this storm had a track that may have dumped snow on Cincinnati– it’s possible.
I was in the direct path of this storm (Dionne, hee hee). Usually a heavy snow this early in the season melts off within a few days. It’s now been well over a week and my yard and deck is still fully covered. The school buses are still white on top from the snow. It’s been damn cold, so cold yesterday that the lock was frozen on my car door. Greetings from snowy Arkansas. We will welcome the coming warming stint. Yes we shall indeed. “Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton!”
We here in eastern Nebraska should be loosing some of that cover this week. Daytime highs are forecast to be in the lower 40s with no snow in the forecast. But that’s weather and not climate. Heh.
Felix says:
December 15, 2013 at 9:35 pm
NASA has November 2013 as the globally warmest November on record. At +.77 C above the baseline period of 1951-1980, last month ties with October 2005 as having the largest positive anomaly in the record.
Trust NASA to tell you only part of the story . According to NCDC/NOAA ,for Contiguous US , November 2013 was 0.27F below the baseline of 1901-2000 with a temperature of 41.64F. this was only the 49 warmest on record . Not even worth writing home . What NASA is not telling you is that Northern hemisphere winters have been getting colder for 17 years now . They will only tell you half the story to make it look like only warming is happening .
Looking at the graph, 100% of Canada is covered in snow.
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&year=2013&month=12&day=8&units=e&incr=+%2B+
Area Covered By Snow: 66.9%
On Dec 9 2013, more than 2/3 of the US was covered by snow.
izen says: blah, blah blah. Essentially, you’re saying that sometimes in late-Fall/early-winter AGW is responsible for more snow, and other times in the Spring it’s responsible for snow melt. Tell us another one. Pretty please?
@- Bruce Cobb
” Essentially, you’re saying that sometimes in late-Fall/early-winter AGW is responsible for more snow, and other times in the Spring it’s responsible for snow melt.”
Thats what the observations show.
Increased precipitation also means increased snowfall as a result of the increasing amount of water vapor in the warmer air.
Warmer spring temperatures however melt that increased snowfall earlier than in the past. The change is quite clear in the figures for humidity, rainfall, snowfall and spring melt, look then up if you think that is my invention rather than valid results from weather observation.
What was it a day or two before, when the snow line encompassed the high plains, down to central Texas. THAT’S when I thought it was unusual, for so early in the year. All of Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, down to Midland/Abilene/Dallas.
These government funded climate data collection organizations would be more helpful to the taxpayers who pay their wages if they reported climate data fairly and in an unbiased way that is useful to the public. Being an advocate for global warming special interest groups does a major disservice to the public. Giving press releases for isolated warming events and totally ignoring the approaching cold climate phase leaves the public and the various national agencies that provide heating fuel, infrastructure, transportation, road clearing services ,farmers ,etc unprepared for the more severe winters that are surely coming . I think the public should write and complain about the one sided climate reporting. It is like getting stock market news only about market rises and ignoring all price trends that are down. We all know that the market drops and has major crashes regularly. Well the climate has the same down turns and even major downturns that could be just around the corner. Winter temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere have been declining now for about 17 years. The government funded temperature data sets show that winter temperatures for the entire Northern Hemisphere including United States, Canada, Europe, and UK are all dropping. I have not seen a single press release about this . Have you? Yes, we will have isolated warm periods and El Nino years when the winters will be milder but the future trend is for colder winter weather to continue because the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans SST pole to pole , have been declining for a decade and may stay cooler until 2030/2040. It is not global warming that we should be concerned about at this time . We should prepare for more very cold and snowy winters. [Like we already had in December this year]
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/ARCHIVE/NHem/2013/ims2013343.gif
December 9 looks to me to be the greatest snow coverage achieved. I thought when I saw that it has to be some kind of record, for so early in the season.
IZEN
you said “Warmer spring temperatures however melt that increased snowfall earlier than in the past.”
There has been no warming trend in US springs since 1998. The NOAA/NCDC data shows a completely flat curve . It would help all of us if you did your home work before posting, Izen.
@- herkimer
“There has been no warming trend in US springs since 1998. The NOAA/NCDC data shows a completely flat curve . It would help all of us if you did your home work before posting”
You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts, and I ALWAYS have substantive peer review published research for any claim I make. The trend in the US may have been smaller than in the rest of the N.H. But it is still detectable.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3587&from=rss_home#.Uq8ubH8gGSN
BOZEMAN, Mont. – Warmer spring temperatures since 1980 are causing an estimated 20 percent loss of snow cover across the Rocky Mountains of western North America, according to new research from the U.S. Geological Survey.
Time to roll out scare videos about global cooling from the 1970’s (with a much younger Leonard Nimoy)
izen
Wether you go back to 1980 or 1998, for Contiguous US , there has been no extra spring warming trend for US as a whole for now 33 years . The trend is completely flat . Matter of fact , the spring temperatures for Canada have been actually dropping since 1998. You can look up the data for yourself at NCDC/NOAA web page. This track is about snow cover across the nation not just Rocky mountains . You need to qualify your comments better and not just generalize about spring getting warmer.
I have had problems in the past on these Global Warming debates, it seems that my observations, gained by actual experience in the actual weather, don’t correspond to the accepted theory and therefore don’t count. Seems the fact that it gets cold and snowy in the winters around here run counter to the “consensus” so– I’m only looking at weather, not climate.
Horse hockey. Weather and climate are so intertwined that the observations of one directly relate to the other– unless you have a political axe to grind, in which case anything that doesn’t fit your theory must be wrong.
It’s cold right now in Chicagoland, about 12F according to local readings— and we’re about to get a couple of more inches of Global Warming to shovel off of the driveway. Happens every winter.
Biltonn: Gore talks a lot. Unfortunately for him a lot of it makes it to youtube.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F
“Al Gore warns Polar ice may be gone in five years”
If someone can find a video of his talk in Germany in 2008, it will show a more dire predictio.
@- herkimer
Wether you go back to 1980 or 1998, for Contiguous US , there has been no extra spring warming trend for US as a whole for now 33 years . The trend is completely flat ….You can look up the data for yourself at NCDC/NOAA web page.
That is what I did, the ‘Climate at a glance page’ enables you to plot the temperature of any month, or season.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/
Weather I choose 1980, or even the cherry-pick of 1998 as a anomalous hot year I STILL get positive warming trends on all the plots for any single month in the spring or any 3 month season for any period going back more than ten years.
Perhaps I missed an option, what start date and months should I choose to get a flat trend as every year/month/season combination of more than ten years gives a positive trend of spring warming for the contiguous US on the NCDC/NOAA web page contrary to your assertion.
IZEN
You are correct. I was looking at the slope of the spring temperature curve for 1998-2013 and it is quite flat but nevertheless if one also ask for the hard numbers of the
trend , the numerical figure for the period does have a slight positve trend of +0.19/decade. The vertical part of the + sign was a little weak and I read it as – ve sign
Felix says:
December 15, 2013 at 9:35 pm
NASA has November 2013 as the globally warmest November on record.
And RSS at 0.131 was the 13th warmest November. Were they doing the same planet?
@izen; Even if Springs are slightly earlier in some places, that most certainly doesn’t mean AGW caused them. Nor can AGW explain the halt in warming the past 17 years or so.
@- herkimer
My thanks and respect for making that correction.
I hope I can live up to the same level of integrity if/when I find my own understanding of an issue is similarly in conflict with the observable facts. (grin)
@- Bruce Cobb
“Even if Springs are slightly earlier in some places, that most certainly doesn’t mean AGW caused them.”
Correct.
The earlier springs and pole-ward shift of the growing regions is a phenomena that REQUIRES an explanation, it certainly does not provide one.
The energy to warm those regions earlier and shift the climate to favor different crops must have come from somewhere, but the changes observed do not indicate a source.
@-“Nor can AGW explain the halt in warming the past 17 years or so.”
But it can explain the observed facts of rising sea level from thermal expansion from rising heat content and the negative mass balance of glaciers and ice-caps.
It is also the best explanation we have for the observed changes in spectrum and energy content of the outgoing and downwelling energy fluxes that constrain our climate.
It has been of utility in predicting the pattern of change seen in the satellite record of a warming troposphere and cooling stratosphere.
It might have something substantive to contribute to an explanation of the earlier springs as well.
The most that the surface temperature record conveys for whatever time window you choose is uncertainty. As the actress said to the bishop, we are arguing about how much (and how fast) not weather we are doing it…
We were in Manhattan this past weekend. On Saturday, it snowed all day, and the temperatures were in the 20s. After one trip outside I got on the hotel elevator with a large group of wet cold people. I said: “Damn, that Global Warming is tricky”. They all laughed.
When Global warming is a punch line. We have won.
Homing in on even earlier records (e.g. last negative PDO)?
herkimer says “Matter of fact , the spring temperatures for Canada have been actually dropping since 1998. You can look up the data for yourself at NCDC/NOAA web page.”
In our neck of the woods above the 51st on the Canadian Prairie, snow appeared on October 27, 2012 and stayed on the ground into May 2013, a record length of time for this area. An extraordinarily cold April 2013 plus a large snow cover produced the record.
Janice:
Your absence will be missed.
Better late than never. #(:)) …. upon receiving some anonymous encouragement….
Advent Calendar Door Number 17
Today was THE day!
December 17, 1903 — Wright Brothers’ First Flight
History of Flight — “Hold On Tight to Your Dreams” — ELO
Note: per my anonymous source…
“There is actually a very useful lesson to be learned from the above:
… given the technological changes in only 45 years (from
the Wright brother’s first passenger flights in 1908 to the B-52 in
1952) {to presume that humanity will not develop the technology
necessary to adapt to climate change (no matter what causes it)
demonstrates a laughable ignorance of history.}”
Oops — brothers’ Poor ol’ Orville, always getting left out of the picture… .
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 18
(if you can’t stand something sweetly sentimental that expresses how very, very, glad I am to have been encouraged to continue to post on WUWT, better skip this one)
From my grateful heart to all of you…
“Bless Us All” — Tiny Tim, et. al. in Muppet Christmas Carol
YOU ARE LOVED. ALWAYS.
#(:))
Welcome back Janice.
Thank you, my generous-hearted champion, Mario. And, thank you, dear A. C. Osborn (far above). That you two cared that I was gone helped a LOT to ease my sadness (not only was I heartbroken at leaving, no one seemed to care!). I’m so very glad that a big misunderstanding was cleared up.
There are many ways to “make a joyful noise… .”…..
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 19
“Sancta Lucia” — in Sweden (of course!)
“La, La, La” — Babe
With appreciation, dedicated to Joe Bastardi for running the gauntlet of nitpickers to bring us all some wit and Christmas fun…
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 20
“‘Twas the Night Before Christmas” — Fred Waring and the Pennsylvanians
-half-the-usa-covered-in-snow, I get it now why this post has these windows.
@ Mario — Good! #(:))
Christmas can also be a sad time. Many of us cannot, for one reason or another, be with our dearest this year.
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 21
For all of you for whom Christmas brings into sharp relief what is with what might have been, a song for your dear one, from your heart to hers or his.
(and from me to you, dear, wherever you are…)
“Merry Christmas, Darling” — The Carpenters
And the antidote for the lonely heart
is to remember:
Sorrow looks back;
worry looks around;
faith looks up.
Choose to focus on the reality of Christmas, for that is cause, if not for happiness, for a deep, enduring, quiet, joy.
“Cantique de Noel” — Placido Domingo
The contrast between the typical Envirostalinist and Green Profiteer and the typical Science Realist is stark indeed. L1ars slither. Truth-tellers rock!
“Mr. Grinch” — Thurl Ravenscroft
(and remember, “… Christmas came, just the same.” Truth wins — every time.)
“Jingle Bell Rock” — Muppets
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 23
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 24
Christmas Eve, 1968
“Merry Christmas” from the Crew of Apollo 8.
[Only one moore till Christmas! Mod]
Mod! What a happy surprise to hear from you at last. Yes, that is correct!
New slogan for WUWT: “All this…. and Moore!” lololol
(drat. won’t work. — just remembered the liberal rat fink who defiles my last name by bearing it…)
@(:)) (a fancy hair-do for Christmas, heh)
Virtual Advent Calendar Door Number 25!
“Joy to the World” — Raisins Claymation Special
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Rejoice! They ring for thee!
(And a special Merry Christmas to you, dear Mod. Thank you, so much.)
@(:))
Well, looks like the Grinch managed to foul things up at last.
To watch first video for Day #25, go to youtube.com and enter:
“Joy to the World Claymation Raisins” in the search box. It will likely be the first video that appears.
I apologize for the technical difficulties.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3104924/posts?page=22#22
The Night Before Christmas … As remembered below the surface by submariner veterans.
Warning! May contain Navy jargon and NAVSEASYSCOM-approved abbreviations.
Dear R. A. Cook,
That was touching (and well-written). Thank you for sharing. And, even more, thank you, so much, for being one of those “Who risk{ed} your life daily so others stay free.” Submarines are tough duty. For EVERY sailor on board. Sometimes the truth is just as simple as this:
Land of the free, because of the brave.
Merry Christmas!
Janice