Fireworks in the EU Parliament over "the pause" in global warming

The Poloticians in Denial…
Global Warming is Dead…
And the truth being thrown back in the fools faces… Pricless..

Yee-har!! “Madam, where have you been?” Thanks for that – cheered me up no end.

davidxn says:
April 15, 2013 at 7:15 pm
“I think it’s ironic, but rather inappropriate to use the “D” word against alarmists; we should not stoop to their level.”
The problem is they only understand when something they believe in is being smashed into they’re collective faces. It never would have reached this point it they could have been reasoned with in the first place.

Looks like the ice is melting on the propaganda ice berg … Oops. Maybe the wrong metaphor. I am assuming his speech got an icy reception at the EU.

Flashy… but I’m left wondering just how widely distributed it will be…

How did that word; “D—-R” get though the new automated moderation system ?
Oh wait, it was Anthony’s original post, OK then, Carry On….
Cheers, Kevin

This video makes me happy.

Bravo Mr. Bloom!
On another note, have a look at the sea ice page, Antartic sea ice is poised to smash previous records. You heard it here first, but will be reading about it in the next couple of months.

If you go to the youtube page you will see that UKIP members attract a huge number of viewers. Bloom does not get as many as Farage but Farage probably gets more than the rest of the EU parliament together. Farage and UKIP are exploiting youtube just about to the limit. Watch.

Godfrey Bloom – Go Man Go!
Just loved it! I’m only sorry I can’t vote in England.

I have watched this three times now and lol every time. I love that guy.

We’ve just had a spring T-storm rumble through the Seattle area and it dumped quite a bit of hail. Days like this I wish Joe Romm was right because I’m tired of wearing wool 18 months out of the year. The vid was cheering, though. Nice to see old Blighty is waking up to the reality that they are really not EU material and willing to dance to Brussel’s polkas.

Just bloody awesome! This is the man who would get my vote, if that was possible for the EU parliament. And believe me, this is not the end of it.

My goodness.. Such progress this spring.. I hope it warms up! LOL

Blade says:
April 15, 2013 at 9:18 pm
“That means ridicule them into oblivion so that they are unwilling to even open their mouthes.”
I wouldn’t say ridicule them so much as turn every argument they have used in the past and ram it down their throats. The 15 year mem is a prefect picture of that because they were the ones saying that its been warming for 12 years so it must warm “forever” and never stop warming from this point forward now give us all your money.

Very good! Do follow all that happens – it sounds like it’s about to get REALLY interesting.

davidxn says:
“I think it’s ironic, but rather inappropriate to use the “D” word against alarmists; we should not stoop to their level.”
I would have preferred it if he had stuck to “in denial” because that what is happening. Having accused those where rightly sceptical that CO2 was main cause of the strong warming in the 80 and 90s of being in denial of what was happening to the planet, the alarmists are now in denial about the fact that that alarming trend had stopped and their predictions are now irrefutably proven to be exaggerated.
He was clearly playing to the camera and his “denia, denia” [D-word filter] crescendo falls horribly flat.
However, he has to be congratulated for ‘speaking truth to power’ and getting this said so clearly of the floor of the powerless european pseudo-parliament.
This makes a good follow up to Monckton’s coup at Doha last year.

“For those people in this Chamber who havn’t had the benifit of a formal education….”
Oh dear. That set the scene for another characteristiclly embarrassing performance. Was he drunk and on very heavy prescription painkillers again? We should be grateful for small mercies – at least he didn’t call the Germans Nazis, or wallow in the loss of life through bombings.
Full list of gaffs here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_Bloom

Sadly, it is we who are in denial if we think that it will help reverse this oppressive and bankrupting legislation that exists in EU statute. The only way to free member states, and we in Britain in particular, from its clutches is to leave the EU and for our own national legislatures to come to their senses.

davidxn says:
“I think it’s ironic, but rather inappropriate to use the “D” word against alarmists; we should not stoop to their level.”
There’s no point in holding the moral high-ground if it just becomes your final resting place. Fix bayonets. CHARGE!

I wonder if he actually understands the science or if he simply believes… as does nearly everyone else, pro or against or else.

You really don’t want this chap on your side.
In December 2008, Bloom had to be carried out by an intern after making a European Parliament speech while drunk. During the speech, Bloom denied that the MEPs from Poland, the Czech Republic or Latvia have the ability to understand economic relations. In February 2012, Bloom interrupted a debate with the question whether the Cambridge University Women’s Rugby team should wear their logo on the front or back of their shirts.

Thank God for Ukip, it seems to be the only party in the EU that knows the EU is corrupt to the core and is saying it out loud. The Unelected Commissars are raking it in by pushing policies which raise extra cash for pet projects they have shares or family interests in. Now we have global warming creating damn cold winters, absolute c**p. Truth is the daughter of time.

Re the Bloom detractors. Yes, he’s a bit of a loose canon but so what? Give me an eccentric individual politician (drunk or sober) any day than a toe-the-line, anodyne yes man whose only role is to do the bidding of his masters.

Mr Bloom’s choice of “D-word” tactic detracts from his otherwise correct assessment and portrayal of the facts.
This sort of thing is never covered by the tax-funded BBC, which has a duty to be impartial. I note that their current leading environment & energy activist/analyst, Roger Harrabin, @RHarrabin , has come over a little quiet of late. Looking at his twitter feed, there is some evidence of Operation BACKPEDAL, at least in respect of the nonsense of biofuels.
Another hairline crack in the dam …

I don’t really understand the point of all this crowing over the wiggles (largely unforced natural variability) in the global warming trend. It will only come back to bite you.

The big irony is that the Hockey Stick is almost pure climate change denial for the full length until the blade.
I would have been a lifelong Conservative voter, but no longer. I’m a UKIP voter now. I will never vote for a party whose policies are designed to push up the cost of energy. Of the main parties in the UK, UKIP is the only one with sensible policies on Europe and energy and, judging by this video, on climate change.
I’ll probably never vote Conservative while Cameron is leader. He lost my vote when he broke his ‘cast-iron’ promise on the referendum. I simply don’t believe his new promise on a referendum in the distant future. And he is completely deluded on climate change.
Chris

Thanks for the kind thoughts Kev and Marty 🙂 Ouch, so pedantic, Marty!
No, Kev, this is the Village where I belong. An isolated community living in the dark ages. The Renaissance has long passed us by – the ancient catechism still enforced by the iron fist of our Masters.
But the Village Idiot can (usually) say what he wants and get away with it 😉 – not unlike the lad in the crowd watching the Emperor.

Grrrrrrrrrr. Here we go again!

Millions of people could become destitute in Africa and Asia as staple foods more than double in price by 2050 as a result of extreme temperatures, floods and droughts that will transform the way the world farms.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2013/apr/13/climate-change-millions-starvation-scientists

Great news from the EU.

BBC 16 April 2013 Last updated at 11:06 GMT
The European Parliament has rejected a plan to rescue the EU’s ailing carbon trading scheme.
Members narrowly voted against a so-called “backloading” proposal that would have cut the huge surplus of allowances currently being traded.
Because of this excess, the price of carbon on the EU Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) has plunged to less than 5 euros a tonne.
But opponents won the day by arguing the plan would push up energy costs……
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22167675

Oh for…
Come on, icarus… do you not understand the concept of “skeptic”? You just pulled a random number out of your backside and you’re panicking over it.
Do you actually believe that your imaginary “energy imbalance” is so precisely quantified? Do you really worry about this? I can’t even begin to tell you how amusing that is.
Nothing is going to come back and “bite me”. Well, maybe you.

EU Parliamentary sessions never are debates, just pre-scripted ideological asseverations shouted out for PR purposes. Nonetheless, as Klimat Kultists’ bleats-and-squeaks begin to fade for want of audience, public forums loom larger by default. By c. 2020, ’twill be a brave Green Gangster indeed who expects to mouth his Warmist inanities unchallenged.

I am jumping for joy after hearing what this man said. It is about time someone had the guts to tell it as it really is. Farage and Bloom make a great pair and UKIP will go from strength to strength. Cameron and his barmy army better sit up and take notice.

Almost empty chamber, as posters above identify..
I thought we were spending God-knows-how-much shipping the whole EU machine from Brussels to Strasbourg every month to appease the French.. Dare I suggest that, in fact, there are huge numbers of EU officials and MEPs PRETENDING to travel to Strasbourg and back every month, when in reality they don’t leave their cosy offices in Brussels..?
Questions need to be asked – and soon…!

@DirkH: The existing planetary energy imbalance is, by definition, global warming.

If you were a national leader and new climate information was brought to your attention that showed that the energy and environmental policies being pursued by your environmental and energy departments were putting your citizens at risk, what would you do? Yet this is what is happening in several western countries. Global temperatures were supposed to rise in an unprecedented way until 2100 and winters were supposed to get warmer. Exactly the opposite is happening. Global surface and ocean surface temperatures have been flat for some 16 years now since 1997 and have actually started to cool the last 10 years.
The winter temperature anomaly for the Northern Hemisphere as measured by Hadcrut3gl shows a negative linear trend for 18 years since 1995.
The year 2012 was the 4th snowiest since 1967, the start of hemispheric snow extent records.
Take the case of UK:
1] Their winters have been cooling for the last 6 years starting in 2008. despite the predictions that they would warm up
2] During the last two decades 1990-2010 there were 6 winters or 30% of the winters below the 1981-2010 average winter temperature of 3.8 C for all of UK
. 3] During the 100 year period of 1910-2013 there were 58 winters. or 58 % of the winters below the 1981-2010 average
4] During the last UK extended cold spell period of 1962-1987, a period of 26 years, there were 19 winters or 73% of the winter were below the 1981-2010 average
5] There have been 41 winters since 1910 colder than the 3.31 C which was the average temperature this past winter of 2012/2013
6] The winter temperatures for Central England (CET) have been slowly declining since 1988 or 26 years
Despite this clear record of regular cold winters as part of the long term trend, the UK government was advised that winter temperatures were going to warm and coal fired power plants should be shut down. This, in my opinion, is like implementing national suicide. During the past winter there was barely enough heating fuel and/or electrical energy to cope but perhaps not enough to prevent thousands of premature deaths due to freezing temperatures. Installing wind and solar energy replacements will be of little help during some of the future winter storms or during periods significant snow or clouds or little wind unless there is some form of stable back up like fossil fuel energy plants. No power plant should be shut down unless it is unsafe to operate or its life cycle has ended.
What is happening in UK is being played out at other nations as well to different degrees.
I think it is time to re-examine the flawed science and assumptions that were used to establish the national energy and environmental policies on the grounds of avoiding further damage and reducing the serious national risk if they were to remain unchanged. We need to rethink the flawed energy and environmental policies even if international agreements need to be modified.
The globe may be headed for 2-3 decades of cooler winters due to declining solar cycles, declining global SST, AO being mostly negative and possibly fewer strong climate altering El Ninos. These climate factors could be further supplemented by volcanic eruptions, sudden stratospheric warming, Rossby wave changes causing the jet stream to dip further south allowing cold Arctic air to come further south and more blocking situations, all of which can lower the winter temperatures further regionally.

@richardscourtney: All the evidence as cited above shows that global warming continues unabated, in accordance with the known physics – primarily the radiative imbalance caused by anthropogenic long-lived greenhouse gases. So, the IPCC are still correct (well, predicted 0.2°C per decade vs observed ~0.17°C per decade – I’m sure we’re not going to quibble about 3 hundredths of a degree warming over a decade).
Do you have any physically valid reason to believe that global warming is going to slow down any time soon?

I enjoyed the video so much that I copied it onto my Facebook page. UKIP are gradually getting more credibility, so it will be interesting to see how they fare in the May local elections.
BTW the changes in moderating this site seem to be pleasing most people, ‘Well Done’ for that.
John

Larry Kirk says:
April 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm
“Danke!” I like it.

What was more amusing was the perceived need of the translator to then say “Thank you”. I suspect that most non-German speakers know what Danke Means. 😉

Done! The EU parliament refuses Connie’s demand!
http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/energie-environnement/actu/0202707811892-le-parlement-europeen-porte-un-coup-presque-fatal-au-marche-europeen-des-quotas-de-co2-558704.php
And the price of carbon goes down over 30%:
http://www.boursorama.com/cours.phtml?symbole=1rAABCAR

George Lawson:

Let’s not be ridiculous. Denier is not a swear word and does not need to be abbreviated in comments. The article was quoting an important speech supporting our viewpoint and cause and in which the word was used. It is only objectionable when used to equate with holocaust denial.

Head of nail, meet hammer. Except I think there’s more to it than that.
Denier and its cognates in the mouths of alarmists definitely and deliberately connotes a similarity to holocaust denier. Denier in the mouth of Godfrey Bloom deliberately brings back to mind that horrific smear of every single one of us. As such it is very powerful rhetoric and entirely justified. It isn’t comparing the chairman with a holocaust denier – there’s been no suggestion to that anywhere in the skeptic world – but it is reminding them and every other alarmist of the need to disavow that disgraceful tactic utterly and for ever.

@richard verney: Remember that the IPCC are talking about the rate of warming averaged over decades, which is currently around 0.17°C per decade – very slightly less than the quoted 0.2°C per decade but not enough to quibble about, I wouldn’t think.

@ icarus62 says:
April 16, 2013 at 7:01 am
A genuine question.
Do you have friends, or know people, who respond to matters of fact in the way you do?
I mean, have you come to your position by discussion with others, who agree what you show here is a real, legitimate, workably practical way of thinking? Or do you mix with people for whom what you’ve shown makes sense?
I ask, because although the point made by richardscourtney above, quoting the IPCC statement, is about warming in the first two decades of this century, and your response covers different periods both in duration and relationship to the time frame mentioned. And your assertion that warming continues unabated is not what would ordinarily – to me – be described as being seen to be confirmed by reality.
So I wonder if in fact there is, or can be, any relationship between you, and any who share your responses, and others whose foundations in looking at reality are clearly different? And how extensive in number are those who make sense to you?

I just wanted to add something to this from a human perspective . I am sure there are some people who are predisposed to anxiety disorders and who are, like me, living in a state of acute and ever escalating fear after reading almost daily alarmists’ predictions. I have been living in a hell where I’m afraid of the weather on a daily basis, Once where I loved the sea it has now taken on a sinister appearance and I have nightmares where my very young family are faced with food shortages, flooded by the sea or dying from drought and disease. I am pleased to have found your site and even more so after reading this article because it has calmed me down a little and so hopefully I can get back to the business of making a living. I am not prepared to say that there is no longer an issue with warming but that I now have some much needed perspective and can now sleep at night. .

I guess we can.

@DirkH says:
April 16, 2013 at 5:52 am
Gareth Phillips says:
April 16, 2013 at 1:56 am
“You really don’t want this chap on your side.
In December 2008, Bloom had to be carried out by an intern after making a European Parliament speech while drunk. During the speech, Bloom denied that the MEPs from Poland, the Czech Republic or Latvia have the ability to understand economic relations. In February 2012, Bloom interrupted a debate with the question whether the Cambridge University Women’s Rugby team should wear their logo on the front or back of their shirts.”
Ah yeah, slinging a little mud from the left. You can’t attack the argument so you attack the man. Alinsky tactics from the Fabians.
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Dirk, are you saying these records are wrong? If they are correct, that is not mudslinging or an ad hominem attack, it is merely quoting the records. I accept you may choose to disregard this behaviour, but if it is correct, I don’t see the problem. If you think his behaviour was acceptable we just have to agree to disagree. This is not a case of left and right mudslinging any more than reporting climate records.

For those complaining about the use of the “D” word please review again the audio. At no point does he use the “D” word. There is no equivalence between observing a person is in denial of a reality and claiming a person is a “denier” which is a pejorative association to a phrase whose usage has an uniquely historic context and purpose. I apologize in advance for triggering the moderator alarm.

@ icarus62 says:
April 16, 2013 at 8:45 am
Thanks for responding but you didn’t really directly answer my questions. I suppose I can infer something but that leaves things pretty vague.
You say:
“Yes, anyone who has a reasonable physical understanding of Earth’s climate system thinks the same way as I do.”
For me, that is a fairly astonishing statement. Is there no-one who has “a reasonable understanding” whose opinions differ from yours at all? Even a bit? What about people who actually are employed to research in this area – who are committed to AGW – who have recently said things along the lines that it hasn’t warmed this century, its stalled etc? Are they just wrong? Don’t they know whats going on?
Can I ask – how is it that you know better? But mainly, how is it that you KNOW that everyone who has “a reasonable understanding” thinks exactly like you. You must understand, its difficult to know where this comes from: it is very very unusual for intelligent people to have EXACTLY the same thoughts about anything. Actually, I think it is probably unheard of.
So, I repeat, are such people with a “reasonable understanding” those who are part of your social circle? Are they ALL like you, who think exactly as you do? Or are you a bit of a loner – or maybe a leader in this?
Please answer these questions directly, and I would add, do you have employment, or do you perform actions, in a role where the results pf those actions can be seen? Where your abilities in a practical way can be judged? And also, you refer to self-delusion, do you have reason to be aware of this condition?

icarus62 is neither deluded nor irrational, he/she/it is deflecting the conversation. The subject of this thread was the speech in the UK chambers – icarus deflected it to him/her/itself.

@ Kev-in-Uk says:
April 17, 2013 at 12:00 pm
I think you are being far too generous to make any provision for this failure to be “understandable” with or without hindsight. What may have been considered adequate as a system to measure temps. – in a lazy way – for use in practical forecasting etc. was obviously not to be assumed sound without confirmation. The Future of the Planet depended on this for God’s sake. There was unlimited funding available.
As you say this whole thing is dodgyness built on dodgyness. I too have absolutely no confidence in any of these claimed data sets. I think only a fool would.