From Tom Nelson: Keystone pipeline passes environmental review: It’s the [CO2-induced] end of the world as the Sierra Club knows it, and I feel fine
The State Department released a draft environmental impact assessment of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline Friday afternoon, suggesting the project would have little impact on climate change.
Live Blogging the Keystone XL Environmental Assessment Release | DeSmogBlog
Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune just released the following reaction in a press release just sent out:
“The Sierra Club is outraged by the State Department’s deeply flawed analysis today and what can only be interpreted as lip service to one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…”
From Junkscience:
Read the full Keystone EIS
It’s is driving the enviros crazy this afternoon.
Let’s see: They will extract the oily sand, process the mixture, store/transfer the oil, and return the clean sand to the earth. This is a catastrophe!
but what has the P.O. (sorry, president Obama) have to say about this?
That oil is going to get used no matter what.
Won’t there actually be less of an environmental impact if the pipeline is built and the oil is refined and the products primarily used in the US, with our tight emissions standards,
As opposed to shipping the oil off to China where they’ll use it according to their “emissions standards”?
Indeed, Alvin, the oil sands operations are cleaning up one of the world’s biggest oil spills. The stuff has been oozing into the Athabaska River for millenia before even the indians immigrated to the area.
If the State Department says it, it must be true. (I”m not being facetious here.) If for no other reason than you know they wouldn’t want to say such a thing. The State Department has always been a domain of liberals, even when Republicans were nominally in control.
This is extraordinary news.
But don’t assume Obama will buy into it. Not after that SotU speech.
This is going to be fun to watch go down. The enviro crusaders, zealots and imbibers are piling it up, building a hill to defend and likely die on. Obama desperately needs to throw these voting allies under his bus now that he no longer needs them because five years of his disasterous economic policies need to be turned around fast, fast, fast if he wants to leave a real legacy instead of a crater where the US economy used to be.
Let the sinning and spinning begin.
I am cautiously optimistic it has this EIS, but interventionists lawsuits even after construction is well advanced can derail it.
Be vigilant.
John
Don’t know why Bill gets all sad and weepy over the oil sands. He should be crying tears of joy as when you think about it the oil sands extraction is the Mother of all enviromental cleanups….of all time…..evah 🙂
@Alvin
Yep.
They are cleaning up a gigantic natural oil spill and that is bad for the environment.
They are the post-modern environMENTALists .
Cognitive dissonance in motion.
See it goes like this: Global Warning, Climate Change, Weather Weirding, Climate disruption and then finally Global Cooling. See Global Warming causes Global Warming. Idiots!
The alarmists hope the general public will forget that it WAS called Global Warming.
But we will NEVER let them forget “Global Warming.”
If Bill McKiben is against this, I’m completely for it.
I’m glad Bernie Sanders has identified the greatest benefit to the biosphere–CO2!
And if Michael Brune thinks this is a “deeply flawed analysis”, he’s flawed in his analysis–or would anybody say he’s got a vested interested in his opposition?
I would.
Three cheers for CO2!
Opps lol, See Global Warming causes Global Warming. Idiots! “Cooling.” See confusion rains, and that is the general idea.
This bit of news was buried way down on my Google News page.
I guess their “neutral” aggregator algorithm didn’t find it that newsworthy. At least not as newsworthy as a PBS piece entitled “Is Obama’s Climate Change Policy Doomed to Fail? Maybe Not.”
Correct me if I am wrong here but the only section of this pipeline that needs to be approved by the US Federal Government is the 1 mm wide section that crosses the 49th. All the States that it goes through have now given the go ahead. So build the pipeline to the border from each side and use duct tape on the crossing…….You are welcome 😉
Can someone please tell me why the Sierra club has a tax free status. Last year I did a little research & found that they have over 750 million dollars in assets. That was for 2009 & I’m sure it’s probably closer to a billion now. Then there’s probably a lot of money also hidden away. I also thought to be tax free you could not be involved in politics? What a joke. Wouldn’t you like to see those book’s audited?
“Without access to major U.S. export terminals from Keystone XL and other routes, tar sands production will be substantially slowed.””
So says the National Wildlife fella. “Slowed”, does not mean stopped.
The “line in the sand” is symbolic, not real. North Dakota is railcaring 53% of its 803,000 bopd already, but expects/hopes to have another 200,000 bopd on top of that in two years, and 400,000 more within 7. Even if those numbers are aggressive, within the next few years another 250,000 bopd will probably be producing and needing a market. This oil, not just the Canadian sourced (owned by Exxon-Mobil et al) is being moved one way or another to refineries, whether on the Gulf Coast or in New England. And if in New England, the lack of adequate capacity may mean that a lot is then transshipped down the American coastline to Texas.
Railroads are expensive on an operating basis, but since they exist already, cheap on a new capital project basis. Still, the price differential and the long-term amortization of a pipeline makes economic sense to have the pipeline, period, and so the sooner the better: you don’t want to pay for two system, in effect, if you first pay a railroad premium and discount, and then pay for a pipeline transport fee but no discount.
For some reason 650,000 or more bopd by train through the populated areas of the northern United States, and likely along the New England coastline,does not disturb the eco-green: perhaps they WANT an oil disaster in their own backyard.
Strong, Hansen and others have waxed about the need for a real disaster to motivate the American people. Is this what the WWF and the Sierra Club and McKibben, Suzuki and Gore and all the others really want, an environmental disaster that they can use to decarbonize/deindustrialize all those parts of society that do not serve their personal interests (since they are not giving up their SUVs, their air travel or their fancy houses by the sea)?
I wouldn’t be surprised: their words are out there already. Maybe this is just part of the set-up.
Canada PM Harper’s “China strategy” made the State Dept’s decision moot. One way or the other, the oil from the tar sands was going to be used, so the net impact was zero.
I see that the State Dept made exactly the same observation that I have made for more than a year : oil is a valuable commodity and it’s going to market regardless of whether there’
a Keystone pipeline or not. Now exactly why is this simple fact so hard for these Nobel prize winners to grasp?
If you go outside tonight and if it is very still, and very clear and cold, and if you listen very carefully … don’t make a sound … you should be able to hear the soft “pop, pop, pop” of the heads exploding all across the land.
The logic that gives them their out is this: Even if you kill the pipeline, the oilsands will still be developed. In other words, killing the pipeline will provide no environmental benefit.
Obama’s logic will be that killing the pipeline will not help the environment and will cost American jobs. Approving the pipeline will cost him some political support but there will be a net benefit to him politically. He can say, with a straight face, that he has not betrayed his base.
Yea, I saw Van Jones whinning on CNN…we all just don’t understand how bad this is…this is end of the world stuff you know…
Save the planet…..
…send it to China
WTF says:
March 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm
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ROTFLMAO……good one
Albertans (mostly Newfs,heh) are cleanig up the biggest oil spill known.And the enviro-whackos are upset? Oh wait. By doing this,cheap fuel,food,and power may be provided to millions of African’s, saving gigatonnes of lives.But then these are just little black people across a pond,right? If ever there was a case for a crimes against humanity charge,the cAGW eco-cultists are front and centre.
That is great news, jobs in America and I would be s
giving my gas $$ to Canadians then the the over sea nations.
Who’s to say it is going to US consumers? Isn’t it just going on the open market for the highest bidder? What we do get is the jobs building and maintaining the pipes and the refinery fees as I see it. If we buy it the delivery fees should sure be less than if it comes from the far east.
Obama can stick it to the enviro crowd. What are they gonna do, vote Republican?
Would this threat include GAS? Bloody hypocrites.
$25 million, if I recall rightly. Or was that $26 million. Hey, what’s 1 million between friends?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/sierra-club-took-26-million-from-natural-gas-lobby-to-battle-coal-industry/
“Obama can stick it to the enviro crowd. What are they gonna do, vote Republican?”
Damn good question. And who has actually shown you where a bear poops in the woods?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/01/friday-funny-john-cooks-withdrawal-symptoms/#comment-1236236
This was always getting done right after the election, it makes too much sense not to do.
Why do these people oppose the very thing they use so much of and enjoy??? It has made some of them rich. Just look at Gore. Al (6 fireplaces) Gore, the ex-tobacco chopper and seller, got rich from oil, mining and now selling the air we breath. Is there no limit to what these scammers can do????
It’s rumoured that they sometimes fly on private jets on their co2 reduction conferences. You really can’t make this stuff up. Hypocrites.
WTF says:
March 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm
“Correct me if I am wrong here but the only section of this pipeline that needs to be approved by the US Federal Government is the 1 mm wide section that crosses the 49th. All the States that it goes through have now given the go ahead. So build the pipeline to the border from each side and use duct tape on the crossing…….You are welcome ;-)”
You are wrong. As each side approaches the limit, the limit on either side goes to zero…. 1 mm my @$$. Someone just needs to spit on the joint and call it a cold weld. ;o)
Global Warming,
Climate Change,
Extreme Weather Events,
Irreparable Weather Patterns
“Climate Disruptions” (today’s catch phrase)
I am glad there are only 26 letters in our alphabet they’ll run out soon.
Lets see….pipe the oil from Canada to Texas….OR….railroad the oil to Vancouver, then ship to China….and replace it with oil you ship for OPEC. Where’s the enviromental damage ?
Hydrocarbons are natural fission by-products on every planet in the solar system, every star in the galaxy and every galaxy in the universe. See “Fracturing the Fossil Fuel Fable” for the supressed chemistry and geology. Hydrocarbons are far more sustainable than solar, wind and bio-fuel scams.
This was always the plan, I think at least. Wait until after the election, but do it far enough away from the next election that it will not matter much.
tobias says:
March 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Global Warming,
Climate Change,
Extreme Weather Events,
Irreparable Weather Patterns
“Climate Disruptions” (today’s catch phrase)
I am glad there are only 26 letters in our alphabet they’ll run out so
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Unfortunately they have the many other alphabets to go through and when those are done with they will use hieroglyphics because we all know the Egyptian Dynasties failed because of Climate Distruption /sarc….kinda
And lets remember that the Oil Sands account for no more than one tenth of 1 per cent of global GHG emissions.
http://www.oilsands.alberta.ca/
http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/osip/
No approval needed to EXIT the U.S., so build the pipeline up to the southern border and then ask Canada for permission to ENTER the country.
The pipeline at the border might be required to be buried underground:
“The best-known border vista is a six-meter (20 ft) cleared space around unguarded portions of the Canada – United States border.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_vista
Also, because of thermal expansion / contraction, the “Infinitesimally” small distance mentioned up thread would be difficult to obtain. 🙂
gofer says:
March 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm
No approval needed to EXIT the U.S., so build the pipeline up to the southern border and then ask Canada for permission to ENTER the country
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That may not be as easy as you might think. There is already a pipeline from Alberta to the refineries in Sarnia and a pipeline from the refineries and ports in Montreal and the east coast (that refine middle eastern oil) back to Sarnia. Sarnia doesn’t have the capacity to refine all the bitumen that the Alberta pipeline can send so an application has been made to reverse the flow from Sarnia back to the Montreal refineries. The antis have held that up for a couple years now for a pipeline that already exists……wholey within Canada. This is not about the oil sands. This is about something entirerly different. For them it is a crusade.
Interesting, how they always release this stuff on a Friday. I guess the weekend readers are the lowest of the low information voters.
Why should we suffer for HIS childrens future?
Why should I endure the misery of a frigid winter unable to pay for heating because of a 60% increase in electricity charges to supposedly benefit HIS children?
Why should millions starve because agriculture has switched to growing fuel crops to enhance HIS childrens future?
Those of us without children have no duty to suffer to benefit those who do. Anyone who has had children has already done lifetimes’ more harm (in their accounting) than any of us can ever who have no children.
The answer for those who worry about climate change is very simple: DONT HAVE CHILDREN.
This kind of thing has made me VERY angry this winter. Believe me, I am suffering. And yes, it IS because of a$%^&oles like THAT.
All it will cost us is the implementation of a carbon tax. What could go wrong?
arthur4563 says:
March 1, 2013 at 4:22 pm
I see that the State Dept made exactly the same observation that I have made for more than a year : oil is a valuable commodity and it’s going to market regardless of whether there’
a Keystone pipeline or not. Now exactly why is this simple fact so hard for these Nobel prize winners to grasp?
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Because they are also working to stop proposed pipeline routes to Canada’s west coast as well and they have Canadian tribal groups also opposing those routes, so they are fairly confident that if they can stop Keystone they can keep the tar sands from going anywhere.
I believe that they are wrong, but that is what they are thinking.
I’m truly shocked. I can only guess why. Did Obama have a knock down drag out fight with Warren Buffet? Or, did Tiger Woods have money invested in the Keystone? Or, is the administration worried that the Benghazigate problem may just display its hidden skeletons one more time and needs the State Department to take a second fall: Hillary’s paid her dues, now it’s John Kerry’s turn. Or. Or. Heck, I don’t know.
Pas de Panic Mes Amis….Just another 10 to 15 years of Satellite and Argo data to acquire and we will really have a data set to talking about and to draw conclusions from. As the planet approaches its new load of 10 billion humans, their pets and their walking food supply….we may in the future wish to geo-engineer the planet with doubled or tripled CO2 emissions in a concerted effort to forestall the next glacial maximum for as long as possible. One km of ice over canada, northern europe and asia will kick the stuffing out of our food production and knock our species back to 1-2 billion or worse.
Food for thought.
So let’s see… the ecos don’t want to clean up an oil spill because it’s natural? Huh? Now if mankind had caused it, it would be “killing the Earth and our future children” and no doubt would have to be cleaned up immediately.
It’s fairly clear, right? They don’t care if it’s cleaned up or not, they just don’t want us USING it.
Dang, it must be painful, juggling all the lies, keeping the spin going and being “holier than thou” all the time. I feel sorry for them.
Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
That sound you hear in the distance are screams of outrage and fear from the temples of the Green Cult, for the Demon Keystone XL is one step closer to…. creating a lot of good jobs, which they’ll never understand.
Some commenters here that are supportive of the oil sands are using the term tar sands. Tar sands is the term used by those wanting to shut the operations down. There is no ‘Tar’ in the oil sands. The term ‘Tar Sands’ started being used in Canada to equate them with the Sydney tar pits in Nova Scotia which are a legacy of industrial pollution to give people a bad impression by association with the oil sands. Those that support the oil sands should use the term oil sands….just sayn’
“The Sierra Club is outraged by the State Department’s deeply flawed analysis today and what can only be interpreted as lip service to one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…”
I think that LOLing is considered to be a bit last year, or maybe even last decade, but I laughed so loud when I read that.
Have the Sierra Club Clowns and Frauds not figured out that it’s they and their ilk that are the greatest threats to our children’s future?
Of course they have, but they’ll keep on cashing the checks until the system breaks.
For the children! For the children!
A generation of lunatics who simultaneously are spending their children’s money before they even make it, while at the same time ensuring that they won’t be able to make very much of it. How is that doing anything for the children?
Oh wait….Sierra Club, Gore, Mann, Hansen….etc… are all making rather large sums of money. What they mean is do it for their children. Yours they don’t much care about.
I expect there’s more outwage in the pwipeline. There’ll be apopwexy too.
Maybe the Sierra Club will become Obama’s Tar Baby.
H.R. (back from fishing in FLA… one fish trashed my 80# line. That was a rush!) says:
March 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm
WTF says:
March 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm
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Fish story w/out pics- riiight.
So, this Sierra Club, they believe all the CO2 in this oil would be better released, and the energy applied, by other countries. Based on what? And what makes them believe we are not in danger from cooling?
Sierra Club members can download and print this, then send it to the president.
D.B. Stealey says:
March 1, 2013 at 7:26 pm
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Is there a place that I can get the form in PDF for the “Hurt Feelings Report”.
I could have a lot of fun with it.
Obama blocked the XL before the election then let it get approved after the election.
And those people who are so easily deceived are identifying themselves?
Abject idiots all!
Sierra Club, I will be coming for you.
None of this is about climate or eco anything, it is all about paying Canadians or paying people who want to kill you.
eyesonu,
I’m sorry, that’s all I have. I think there’s a way to convert to pdf, but I’ve never done it.
D.B. Stealey says:
March 1, 2013 at 7:26 pm
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I did due diligence to get an official form for “hurt Feelings Report” using Google.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hurt%20feelings%20report
Please help!
“The Sierra Club is outraged by the State Department’s deeply flawed analysis today and what can only be interpreted as lip service to one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…” The Sierra club needs a supply of Butlers, Maids and Serfs.
Having those “Children” healthy happy and prosperous is anathema to the Sierra Club
and WWF etc. Leadership…
I wonder what Sanders and McKibben are tweeting this from. Certainly their iPhones weren’t made of wood and plant parts, right? So much plastic in them. I wonder where plastic comes from…. Oh…. Snap!
eyesonu,
This one seems to be at least printable [click in image to embiggen]. Maybe someone else has a suggestion.
It’s interesting that John Kerry’s first major speech as SOS was about global warming.
However his actions would seem to not match his words.
Am wondering what he and Lovey did with all that pickle money when Heinz was sold to Warren Buffet and company. Did he happen to invest in something that may be benefited by this pipeline ? There are already investigations into this purchase by the feds.
Be good to see a real news journalist follow up this for a change.
WTF says:
March 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm
If you are correct it just shows how poor the research is within these environmental organisations despite the millions of dollars they have at their disposal. It also reflects a “group think” mentality within the lobbyists in Washington. No one bothered to sit down and look at the legal issues from the “ground up”.
The WWF has obviously been set up by insects as a tax relief.
eyesonu,
Here’s another.
D.B. Stealey,
Thanks,
I got it . Now I may get in trouble with it but it will be fun!
Heartening to see, The cleaning up the biggest oilspill on the planet, keep rubbing that piece of “Greenspeak” in,it makes the eco-tards heads explode.
I am hoping Obama says no to the Pipeline.
This insane act would help you Americans be rid of his ilk in the next election.2014.
But his stopping Keystone would allow our government to invoke national interest and with a straight face, kick the paid eco-activists where it hurts while forcing the Eastern pipeline permits through and expediting the western pipelines construction.
Politically, Obama obstructing this project would be gold to Canadian conservatives.
Economically we might be better off if we are less dependent on your markets, Obamanomics scare the cr@p out of me.
So a little short term pain, could be political and fiscal gain up here.
H.R. says:
March 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm
‘Cold Weld’ or ‘Gold Weld‘?
EW3 says:
March 1, 2013 at 8:13 pm
“Am wondering what he and Lovey did with all that pickle money when Heinz was sold to Warren Buffet and company.”
“Lovey” would be Teresa, I guess. But apparently neither she nor any of the other Heinz Family members have been part of the company nor “owners” of it in any substantial** way for quite some time. She did get $500 million after her husband’s death in a plane crash in 1991. So the bottom line for John Kerry and Teresa from the sale to Berkshire Hathaway and 3G Capital will be zero.
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**It is an S & P 500 company so many folks own a part of it in a mutual fund or similar investment.
Oops Inconvenient Truth Rears That Gnarled and Ugly Head, Oh Dear,
Looks like Obama will be forces to issue yet another Secret Executive Order adding the State Dept. personnel to His famous Kill List.
What Joy. Obama must be getting a continuous ‘hard On’ and only his daughters to relieve his pain.
Obama, ‘Oh … the .. Ahhhh … Pain.’
Hardy Har Har DC A-Holes.
A bad day for the Climate Parasites. But their quest for a free lunch will continue, it’s not over yet.
Correct.
Oh my god …. we are all going to die …. laughing
bill mckibben makes me wonder what would mr.lewandowsky write about his thoughts on “fossil fuel lobby” and “Big Oil”
http://350.org/en/about/blogs/some-tough-news-keystone-xl
Wait wait wait. Now did they consider the emissions of the caterpillar machines that will dig the trench. Environmental impact assessment and so on. Like they did with that oil project in Alaska where the emissions from a support ship were used as the scapegoat to stop the project.
We must not scratch the surface of the holy mother Earth. All human activity must happen above ground, lest The Old Ones , oh sorry, I wanted to say, lest the eternal harmony of natural balance is disturbed. Best, build everything on stilts. And touch the ground only when you absolutely can’t avoid it. Outlaw shovels. /sarc
John F. Hultquist says:
March 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm
““Lovey” would be Teresa, I guess. But apparently neither she nor any of the other Heinz Family members have been part of the company nor “owners” of it in any substantial** way for quite some time. She did get $500 million after her husband’s death in a plane crash in 1991. So the bottom line for John Kerry and Teresa from the sale to Berkshire Hathaway and 3G Capital will be zero.”
This made me look around a little, and I must say I am so not surprised:
Teresa Heinz Kerry is of course using her money to push public education for sustainability…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Heinz_Kerry
and is chairperson of a climatism-pushing organisation…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Defense_Fund
(I think she is not stupid but uses climatism and sustainabilism as a means to funnel taxpayer money her way like Gore and everybody else does. Another snakeoil peddler like the rest of them)
Warren Buffet owns the railroads that move the oil. Warren Buffet owns Obama. XL won’t happen.
There is nothing controversial about the pipeline. It’s just a conduit that carries the black gold that oils the gears of tge economy.
Mailman
Perhaps the point here is that least part of the US government has not been hijacked by ecoloons – yet. Some people are still thinking in strategic and economic terms, not in fantasy Thermageddon ones.
In the US, you have fracking which is going to transform the US economy. In Europe, the ecoloons have hijacked common sense about fracking and it has been banned by several countries. However, in Europe the ecoloon movement’s biggest supporter is Russia’s Gazprom – not surprising that they they do not want an energy independent Europe.
As for the Sierra Club and other ecoloon organisations, they regularly need to update their causes. Replacing a tired old cause with a fresh new one is how you keep the funds rolling in to support those big salaries and benefits for the guys at the top.
Mailman says:
March 2, 2013 at 1:13 am
“There is nothing controversial about the pipeline. It’s just a conduit that carries the black gold that oils the gears of tge economy.”
That *IS* the controversy – when you can profit from blocking (competing) development you might just do it. The Solar Industry in Germany has made fortunes this way – and spent most of their profits for further lobbying in Berlin and Brussels, NOT on product development. They knew where the source of their income was, hint, it’s not the sun.
Just amass a few million followers through McKibben and other bought-and-paid-for muppets, tell them you got a much nicer-to-Gaia technology and the only drawback is it’s WAAAYYY more expensive but we can pay for it with money that we print and off you go.
Oh make sure you get the kids all gung-ho about SUSTAINABILITY so they willingly follow you. see above link about Teresa Heinz Kerry. How nice it all fits together. There is an old tale of a town about 40 km west of me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_piper
Wamron on March 1, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Why should we suffer for HIS childrens future?
Why should I endure the misery of a frigid winter unable to pay for heating because of a 60% increase in electricity charges to supposedly benefit HIS children?”
This is a great point and one I’ve thought of in other contexts as I don’t have children. There’s a constant “do it for the children” excuse to everything. This is why we need gun control, you can’t have “bad words” on TV, I shouldn’t drive my SUV to save the planet, I pay tons of real estate taxes to educate them, etc.
I agree with you: why should I suffer now for no need to prevent your children from potentially suffering?
Let’s say we still lived in caves. There is a nice warm pile of bear skins. We are all freezing to death. We want to use the bear skins but we don’t because if we use them up then out children won’t have them to keep warm. But what about the freezing children NOW?
Steve (Paris) on March 2, 2013 at 12:56 am
Warren Buffet owns the railroads that move the oil. Warren Buffet owns Obama. XL won’t happen.”
But Warren Buffet cries and sobs that he and other wealthy don’t pay enough taxes.
A.D. Everard on March 1, 2013 at 6:37 pm
So let’s see… the ecos don’t want to clean up an oil spill because it’s natural? Huh? Now if mankind had caused it, it would be “killing the Earth and our future children” and no doubt would have to be cleaned up immediately.”
Since we all know oil comes from the ground and is perfectly natural and organic, I’ve dug a pit in my back yard, filled it with sand, and that’s where I dump all my SUV oil changes. In a few years some geologists will find it and since I own the mineral rights on my property, should profit nicely /tic. (tongue in cheek)
Who are the Sierra Club?
Just a minority bunch of rich bums who think they own the right to live more than those less well off.
Tail wagging the Dog!
And it will displace Chavez’s oil.
They’ll have to build a corresponding pipeline to carry all the Warmist’s venom and bile.
A deeply unpleasant bunch of haters…
Global warming allows idiots, like McKibben, to be heard beyond his asylum walls.
It really is “worse than we thought”
I called out Hansen in a TV interview ten days ago for his unbelievably unscientific effort to manipulate: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2180616375001/will-tar-sand-oil-in-the-keystone-pipeline-ruin-the-planet/
Gee, who would have thought the Unions would win in a tug of war with the Greenies. The Golden Rule strikes again.
Unions give mega-bucks to the Party while Greens are just vast pits that money is tossed into with the millionaires and soon to become billionaire Al Gore sweeps it up into their bank accounts. In the end, they (Obama) used the stretch-it-out strategy to get it past the elections.
Not completely on topic, but USA Today had a real barn-burner on Climate Change today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/28/climate-change-remaking-america/1917169/
Oh deary me!
Enbridge to expand mainline between Hardisty and US border:
http://beaconnews.ca/blog/2013/01/enbridge-to-expand-mainline-between-hardisty-and-us-border/
“Enbridge announced Friday that further expansion of the Canadian mainline system between Hardisty, Alberta and the U.S. border is in the works.
The expansion will add an additional 230,000 barrels per day of capacity at an estimated cost of approximately $0.4 billion and involves increased pumping horsepower, with no line pipe construction.”
I recall (I think) reading a story many months ago that said that since Enbridge already had a border crossing right of way, that they could if they decided to, add extra pipelines on the right of way with minimal US involvement. WIsh I would have kept a copy of that storey
No CO2 emissions exporting the oil by tanker.
The USA will not need to import so much oil, so another reduction in oil tanker emissions.
Due to fewer oil tankers coming to North America, a reduction in the amount of oil that could be spilt in any disaster.
Stupid warmers. The US is already crisscrossed by pipelines.
Luther Wu says:
March 1, 2013 at 7:23 pm
H.R. (back from fishing in FLA… one fish trashed my 80# line. That was a rush!) says:
March 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm
WTF says:
March 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm
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Fish story w/out pics- riiight.
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I saved the shredded and stretched out line. Never fish without a steel leader if there is a chance a shark will pick up your bait, eh?. It took about 10 seconds of thrashing after the shark realized it was hooked to shred the mono I was using. 5-6 foot black tips are common where I was fishing but I never thought one would be interested in a lousy 6″-long pinfish as bait. It was the freight train pull for the first 10-15 seconds that was a rush. Total fight time; under 30 seconds.
Alas, I really hate to have to do the old quote, “Tell a lie, often enough and loud enough…eventually most people will believe it is true..” (Actually MIS-attributed to the Nazi source,
see http://thinklings.org/posts/goebbels-quote-does-it-really-mean-that) There are all sorts of heavy crude which are very similar to the tar sands. For people with Phd’s to spout this stuff means their Phd’s should be remove. They are “weak minds”, do not deserve attention. Let’s review several points! DIRTY? What the HECK does that mean? DO they think that the completely CLOSED LOOP processing systems have any more or less emissions with “tar sands” than any other feed? Rubbish, the results are the same…no difference.
At the “Pine Bend Refinery” (website http://www.fhr.com/refining/minnesota.aspx ) the tar sands are made into petroleum products which provide a majority of the state’s gasoline. That gasoline is a pure as ANY gasoline anywhere in the country and burns to CO2 and Water in our modern, fuel iinjected cars.
Meanwhile, something like 5 tankcars of VALUABLE molten sulfur are shipped out of Pine Bend, every day. A process developed by the Father of the “evil” Koch Brothers does that. As to the “dirty”? Would that refer to the distillation “bottoms”, otherwise known as “road tar”, which EVERY refinery makes? And it gets used for what? TO MAKE ROADS! And it is NOT considered a hazard. (From dust you came and unto dust you shall return.)
This concept that there is anything particularily “enviromentally damaging” about the tar sands and the products made from them is a LIE.
Max
(Basic undergraduate education in ChemE., i.e. B.S., which is a lot less B.S. than in most climate Phds)
“Won’t there actually be less of an environmental impact if the pipeline is built and the oil is refined and the products primarily used in the US, with our tight emissions standards,”
Not to mention all of the oil used to ship it to china, and to ship the middle eastern oil here. Talk about unnecessary emissions and waste…
What?!?!?! Another claim of enviro-exremsits proven false? How can that be……..
@PiperPaul says:
March 1, 2013 at 10:08 pm
H.R. says:
March 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm
‘Cold Weld’ or ‘Gold Weld‘?
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I meant cold weld, which would normally be a bad thing except in the unique case we’re joking about. I’d UT the sucker myself, if I could find a joint where both sides are zero. I guess they call that the ‘middle of the pipe’ ;o)
BTW, anyone with a passing interest in welding might want to click on your link for an easy read about testing joints.
Obama now has virtually no leverage with the Keystone XL pipeline.
TransCanada has be moving forward with the bulk of the pipeline without waiting for Obama to get all his “ducks in a row.”
Meanwhile, Canadian PM Harper’s moves with China, setting up a possible alternate market for the oil sands production, has left the State Dept. with a “moot” decision. A “yes” would cause a “carbon” release in the US, while a “no” would cause a “carbon” release in China. The net result of either choice would mean only a change in where it is used.
Even now, if Obama says NO, the pipeline will be used to transport oil production from Montana and Wyoming to Texas.
There is simply no leverage for Obama to exercise.
This latest announcement from the State Department appears to be setting the stage for Obama to quietly give the approval, probably late on an alternate news-heavy Friday afternoon.
RE: “Can someone please tell me why the Sierra club has a tax free status. Last year I did a little research & found that they have over 750 million dollars in assets. That was for 2009 & I’m sure it’s probably closer to a billion now.”
Who knows? Maybe they have religious status. Seriously, it’s because they are (supposedly) a non-profit organization.
The same people in that club want to deny tax exemptions for the legitimate religious organizations in the US, which are also non-profits.
Go figure!
since they are pushing for Cap and Trade, or some form of carbon tax….
….doesn’t this mean more money?
You folks south of the border don’t seem to understand the depth of us “evil Canadians” Piss us off and you are sure to get an “angry letter to the editor” or you could stay with the present middle east supply with its associated issues. you choose eh!
Ha ha!!! Take that climate cult members! I just love it when they cry.
I’m anxiously awaiting the response to this news by Daryl Hannah.
I could use a good laugh.
Everyone seems to ignore the the significant benefit that light, sweet crude oil from the Bakken area will also be transferred in the Keystone XL Pipeline to the Gulf.
President Obama could still nix the pipeline.
Until he has made his decision, celebrations are premature.
Donna LaFramboise has a new feature, The Drama Queen Files. The current one is about GreenPeace being “…outraged…” at the State Departments Draft EIR. As Donna says, that is about as newsworthy as reporting that the Pope is Catholic.
Forgot to paste in Donna’s URL. It is: http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/03/02/the-drama-queen-files-exhibit-3/
Alvin says:
March 1, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Let’s see: They will extract the oily sand, process the mixture, store/transfer the oil, and return the clean sand to the earth. This is a catastrophe!
Nice summed up Alvin 🙂
WTF says:
March 1, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Some commenters here that are supportive of the oil sands are using the term tar sands. Tar sands is the term used by those wanting to shut the operations down. There is no ‘Tar’ in the oil sands. The term ‘Tar Sands’ started being used in Canada to equate them with the Sydney tar pits in Nova Scotia which are a legacy of industrial pollution to give people a bad impression by association with the oil sands. Those that support the oil sands should use the term oil sands….just sayn’
I think you are right WTF, I was always sensitive at such, that only confuses.
The same with black-carbon for soot. I’ve never heard that expression until recently, or was it used before too?
too funny……
Keystone Is The Wrong Kind Of Jobs For Obama
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/keystone-is-the-wrong-kind-of-jobs-for-obama/
Oil sands: human beings voluntarily cleaning up God’s oil spills, adding to the economy, fueling our vehicles, putting people to work, generating tax revenues, at no cost to the government, and generally improving quality of life. Oh yeah, lots to bitch about there….
John F. Hultquist on March 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Business News reported that John Kerry’s disclosure statement showed he owned about $3.5 million in Heinz shares and that goes up by $650,000 due to Buffets purchase offer. Since Theresa’s ownership is private, how does anyone know what her actual or proxy ownership is?
I wouldn’t mind taking a bet that a lot of mid.east money is backing the anti.Canadian oil protests
The election is over, Obama no longer needs their support, so now he tells them to f**k-off we need the energy. Don’t know why the Sierra Club is surprised, I doubt anybody who seriously reads the news about the president is.
RayG says:
March 2, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Forgot to paste in Donna’s URL
Thanks for that link Ray. Donna is very sharp and down to the point with her analysis.
Latitude on March 2, 2013 at 4:36 pm
too funny……
Keystone Is The Wrong Kind Of Jobs For Obama”…
That’s correct. The only jobs Obama wants are more tax collectors and social workers.
When eco-whackos and climate alarmists are “outraged”, all is well. They are like a disease of all humanity, and the infection has reached its’ peak. Fortunately, the antibiotics of truth, reason, actual science, and reality are now kicking in, thanks in large part to sites like this one.
Of course the eco-freaks want a catastrophe so they can push for deindustrialization. It is the dream, the goal, to be imposed globally. These are very evil people as they want to depopulate the world as much as possible. Check out the DGR (Deep Green Resistance) and Deep Ecology to see what their end game is. Their underlying philosophy is terrifying.
Here is Bernie Sanders’ statement:
(emphasis mine>
Considering that he has a degree in political “science” it isn’t difficult to understand why someone like him is so easily overwhelmed looking only at the scientific distortions presented by those who want their government funded paychecks to keep coming.
His vision of “efficiency and sustainable energy” apparently does not include such images as 440,000 birds being slaughtered every year, (see page 42) (…and killed with impunity,), or Chinese villages being poisoned whole by rare earth magnet production, or food prices skyrocketing because of farmland being usurped for bio-fuel and planting solar panels.
And no Bernie – DIRT itself is the dirtiest stuff on earth and happens to be what covers a lot of it. Apparently your home planet is dirt free so, if you don’t like the stuff … please just go home!
The key point should be that the oil from the tar sands is going to be burned. The only difference Keystone makes is whether that oil will be burned here in the US, or in China.
What I would like to know is why is the State Department commenting on the environmental and economic impact of a project being erected within US borders? Shouldn’t they only be commenting on issues of international importance rather than domestic?
Poor McKitten and friends, they go all hysterical and still can’t even get the Washington Post to support them:
Washington Post editorial board endorses Keystone XL pipeline, says environmentalists are “fighting the wrong battles”
“…The analysis underscores the extent to which activists have trumped up a relatively mundane infrastructure issue into the premier environmental fight of this decade, leading to big marches and acts of civil disobedience to advance a cause that is worthy of neither. The activists ought to pick more important fights. Until they do, the president should ignore their pressure….”