As reported this past weekend, we had a hilarious case of Mann overboard! Since then, it has become the #1 story on WordPress worldwide. It stems from a $10 calendar from COSTCO I sent Dr. Mann, Dr. Gavin Schmidt, Dr. Peter Gleick and Dana Nuccitelli of “Skeptical Science” as Christmas gifts. As I said then, a little good humor didn’t work on the humorless.
Not content to simply stay quiet or just admit he went overboard in his claims while the world laughs at his reactions, he goes further with this latest Tweet:
A few notes for Dr. Mann:
1. I never received $88K. The project it was for was to be funded in two stages, only the first stage has been funded. The second stage never materialized, mainly because I haven’t asked for it, I’m still working on getting phase 1 finished so I can show results. Note that the money didn’t come from Heartland per se, they only found a private donor for me.
See this (in comments for the original story via Roger Knights who explained it well):
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Here’s the background on the Anthony/Heartland deal, which has been posted in one form or another widely enough that warmists ought to know about it. Watts isn’t paid for his blogging. A Heartland document describes a request he made last year for funding for a different project:
“Anthony Watts proposes to create a new Web site devoted to accessing the new temperature data from NOAA’s web site and converting them into easy-to-understand graphs that can be easily found and understood by weathermen and the general interested public. Watts has deep expertise in Web site design generally and is well-known and highly regarded by weathermen and meteorologists everywhere. The new site will be promoted heavily at WattsUpwithThat.com. Heartland has agreed to help Anthony raise $88,000 for the project in 2011. The Anonymous Donor has already pledged $44,000. We’ll seek to raise the balance.”
Watts later reported on the progress of this project. Most of the money, apparently, will go to a contract programmer and for equipment and internet fees:
“Using the funds provided with the help of Heartland’s private donor, I hired a specialist programmer familiar with NOAA systems to trap and convert the NOAA sat feed data to look like any other hourly station (like ASOS hourly stations at airports etc) so that we’d be able to start the visualization and comparison process. This is just one phase of the project before it is ready for public consumption. When finished, there will be a website free and open to the public that will allow tracking and visualization of temperatures from the CRN right alongside that of the regular surface network”
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And the fabricated documents (which Dr. Mann apparently still thinks is factual) which lead to the sort of misinformation Dr. Mann uses, are here: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/02/global-warming-alarmists-resort-to-hoax.php
Some early output from the data visualization of the project are here:
and here:
Note that’s not a complete output, just two samples of many. The project is still not complete as any technical person who has done such projects knows, monkey wrenches and hurdles abound in the best made plans.
2. Dr. Mann, as a scholar of this debate, you should know by now that facts surrounding the Koch involvement with Heartland (stolen by his own admission and leaked by your buddy Dr. Peter Gleick) was $25K, and it was designated for a health care project.
See this via Megan McArdle at The Atlantic, emphasis mine:
But not a full understanding of those documents, because the memo made curious errors. Most notably, it claimed that the Koch foundation had given $200,000 in 2011, when the actual number was $25,000 ($200,000 is what Heartland’s fundraising document indicates they hoped to get in 2012)–and since that money was donated for Health Care News, Heartland’s health care newsletter, it’s hard to see why it would show up in the climate strategy document, rather than, say, a document about their health care strategy. Given other anomalies surrounding the document, it seemed to me very likely that whoever had phished the authenticated board package had been disappointed by the lack of sizeable contributions from Big Oil and the Kochs, and so had written the memo to make sure that the documents told a nice, neat story about corruption and secrecy, rather than a boring, equivocal story about an issue advocacy organization with a spot of budget trouble.
Dr. Mann, please do show how this Koch donation for health care somehow found its way to me or kindly shut your π hole.
3. As for the money from the calendar itself, it came from my personal credit/debit card as I previously demonstrated:
In essence, all WUWT readers funded it, because that debit card has a balance on it from previous calendar sales. It is used to pay COSTCO for producing and shipping the calendars, something that was obviously beyond Dr. Mann’s comprehension based on his initial reaction.
4. As Tom Nelson pointed out, similar questions could be asked of you:
Twitter / MichaelEMann: #WUWT minions out to defend …
#WUWT minions out to defend #Watts against having spent any of his 88K from #Heartland (i.e. #Koch et al) on calendar. So how did he spend?
Hey Michael: How did you spend the income from your climate hoax books?
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MAC says:
December 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Flashy? Widely distributed? LOL.
Mann: “We know Anthony Watts received $44K/yr from Koch-funded #Heartland Institute….
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WOW a one time grant for a surface station study for a mind boggling $44,000!
So how does that stack up to Mikey’s Moola?
Grants = Michael Mann brought at least $4,166,168 to Penn State
Rank and file “..atmospheric, earth, marine, and space sciences teachers, postsecondary” earn considerably more than the average university teacher ( @ $70.61 per hour)…. [normal] university lecturers and professors earn an average of $49.88 an hour From Salaries for all US Scientists by field – A Full Professor in Science $129,818
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5. Since turnabout is fair play, one could ask the question of Dr. Mann if any of the grant money he’s brought to Penn State went to Christmas gifts this year, or perhaps expenses for his “Flashy, widely distributed” book, or other expenses?
The disparity of funding between Dr. Mann’s endeavors and my project for CRN data visualization is laughable, yet Dr. Mann is worried about $15.84 spent on producing and shipping a calendar gift to him, something people regularly give away, just as I did. His fixation on this seems almost like a line from The Caine Mutiny.
6. Dr. Mann and others who continually insist that climate skeptics such as myself are recipients of huge “big oil/big coal” funds as Dr. Mann is often fond of saying:
“There has been, for years now, a very well-organized and frankly well-funded effort to confuse the public about climate change.”
He (and others that think this) should really take a moment to read this essay: Notes From Skull Island – why climate skeptics aren’t ‘well funded and well organized’
Within his multi-million dollar funded cocoon of academia, it must be impossible for Dr. Mann to understand that many climate skeptics are motivated by individual patriotism and concern for their country and the future of science, rather than the almighty dollar. In my conversations at AGU with Steve McIntyre, we both compared notes about how much better off we’d be financially if we didn’t have this climate issue diverting us. Steve has finally moved on to spending more time with his mining consulting business, and I’m likely to spend more time on my own business in 2013. We both have to work for a living, we don’t have tenure that allows us to take sabbaticals.
I sympathize with Dr. Mann’s plight, since by his reaction he obviously doesn’t understand COSTCO, likely never having shopped there. We all find it humorous. But, alas, Dr. Mann spins entertaining tales from his ignorance, much like the fabled (and false) claim that a U.S. president didn’t know what a grocery scanner was. It makes for a good story for people who want to believe you, but in the end, just like Dr. Mann’s hockey stick graph, when you examine the details, things aren’t as they seem.
7. In any event, now that Dr. Mann is on factual notice (since we know by his actions he monitors WUWT), any further emanations from him on this subject should now be factually based, otherwise they’ll just be purposely mendacious.
8. Right now, given the reactions, I think Dr. Mann and others in his climate clique are suffering from a “rat-hole problem”. Please note that is not a derogatory term. The meaning of “rat-hole problem” will become clear in the next posting (on Christmas day) and I think we should find a way to help him and others.
9. As before, I wish Dr. Mann, and the other recipients of the Josh/WUWT 2013 Calendar a very merry Christmas, and best wishes for the coming new year. I hope he’ll take a moment of respite from the “climate wars” to enjoy this most joyous of holidays.
(Posting and moderation will be light/nonexistent for a while, comments may go unpublished for an extended period of time during this holiday. )
If he can’t be honest with something as transparent as a calender, where the history is known (never mind a Nobel), then why should he expect anyone to believe him when it comes to his tree-ring science?
This is what you get for associating with crazy people. 🙂
REPLY: Yes, many consider all skeptics crazy, worthy of putting to death ahead of mass murderers:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/23/beyond-bizarre-university-of-graz-music-professor-calls-for-skeptic-death-sentences/
– Anthony
“WUWT minions out to defend”
Ah, such a goodwill response is of course manndatory.
Merry Xmas to one and all.
Usually when people use the phrase “The gift that keeps on giving.” it’s as a figure of speech. Not literally true but it communicates the idea better than the literal truth. But in this case ….
DJ, that’s three ring science
Politics today is nothing more than the acquisition of Slush Funds. And Mr. Mann is nothing more than a politician, not a scientist.
I’m beginning to wonder if Dr. Mann is as intelligent as he thinks he is since he has so consistently gotten this one issue wrong (and it is really very simple). If he demonstrably cannot handle as issue as simple as this, is it any wonder that he so consistently is wrong in his more complex projects?
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings and commented:
Hey! Mr Mann So how did YOU spend?
The $541,184 grant is for three years and was initiated in June 2009.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703657604575005412584751830.html
The Mann is just sad I am really struggling to find a polite way to describe him.
Here are his latest tweets
Michael E. Mann @MichaelEMann
Anthony #Watts still hasn’t told us (a) how he spent his 88K from #Heartland (#Koch et al) or (b) full $$$ he’s gotten from front groups…
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how about this
Michael E. Mann @MichaelEMann
Wow loonies out in force this morning. Guess #Heartland Institute attack dog Anthony Watts released his attack dogs for holidays #YuleTrolls
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By the way Mann if I had the money, I would sue you, but since I am not paid by the government for producing fake reports. You have no right to call me a loony. It is so typical of people like you, when you lost the argument, if can call it that. You have to resort to name calling. I am not Mr Watts attack dog either, don’t even know the guy.
What I don’t like is a person like you that can’t separate fact from fiction. Except I forgot you just like fiction
By the way I got twitter account back. Thank you Mann for your suppression of free speech.
We don’t seem to understand the tactics of the alarmists. How is it that people like Mann can continue to repeat the meme of big oil funding?
The answer is simple. They know sceptics are NOT funded by big oil or big anything. Having vigorously denied this funding for so long now, what hope is there of EVER GETTING ANY MAJOR FUNDING FROM BIG ANYTHING should sceptics really need it in the future?
Sceptics have continually fallen for the alarmists tactics and we will continue to do so, so long as we play the game by the Neville Chamberlain Rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
It’s time to wake up, Czechoslovakia, Poland and France (universities, science societies and government departments) have been invaded, yet our side is still waving around a gentlemans’ agreement of peaceful diplomacy.
Sounds like Manns on the ropes and wiiling to grasp anything…throw enough mud and some will stick.which why i think the calendar was and is a bad idea Anthony, you know what sort of person Mann is he’ll use anything to muddy your namesimply because you are a threat to the Cause 2013 will be an interseting year.lets no make it so for the wrong reasons keep them on the back foot
Merry Yule and Happy Newy Year to you and yours Athony and all WUWTers
Anthony,
I think Merovign was referring to you associating with Mann by sending him a Christmas gift. 🙂
Oh that Mikey’s such a card.
Just smile back at him, wish him a Merry Christmas, and hope he gets what he deserves from Santa.
That also goes for all of you boys and girls.
The tactic of the “Big Lie” is alive well and practiced by any and all who have only propaganda to spin for the that big PR effect. Ignore him. These bullies deflate like a balloon as soon as no one is looking at them.
6. Dr. Mann and others who continually insist that climate skeptics such as myself are recipients of huge “big oil/big coal” funds as Dr. Mann is often fond of saying:
“There has been, for years now, a very well-organized and frankly well-funded effort to confuse the public about climate change.”
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“Very well-organized”, reminds me of something Gail Combs once said about herding goats …..
“Frankly well-funded effort to confuse the public about climate change.” I was once accused by a commenter here of having a “fossil fuel agenda”. Why do I still have a mortgage?
Confused? I just paid attention to the record highs and lows for where I live. (This was before I found WUWT.) Most of the record highs were before 1950 and most of the record lows were after 1950. It didn’t take a hit on the head with a hockey stick to realize that where I live is part of the globe and temperatures must have something to do with “Global Warming”. (They were still primarily calling it “Global Warming” rather than “Climate Change” back then.)
Keep digging Mr. Mann, your already up to your neck in you know what. In the meantime I wish you all a Very Merry Christmas.
And a Lump of coal for ALL [out]liers and cheats!
The Josh/WUWT 2013 Calendar – the gift that keeps giving. 🙂
Well, I don’t know about anyone else, but my patience with this guy has worn completely through, it was thin, but is now non-existent. Obviously, I would not condone violent behaviour but I think it’s fair to point out that the man is almost daring for somebody to put him straight with that kind of ‘aggresion’. When I was a lad, we used to encourage those kind of folk (bullies mainly) behind the bike sheds at school, where the issues would be duly sorted out.
Clearly, some of the distorted elements of Man need similarly sorting out………
Well even with a ten foot pole, I’d hesitate to touch the likes of Mann and consorts. See what happen to good people when they rub to close with Connolley of Wikipedia. Come on Anthony, it was pure provocation from your part. Moreover, they did not need a calendar since they worked with the Mayan one, and will discover and publish in the next issue of Nature that in fact the Mayans meant next year plus or minus the following upcoming years, after having merged datasets from Manned and automatic stations showing today’s apocalypse is always for tomorrow. /sarc
Merovign says:
December 24, 2012 at 1:21 pm
This is what you get for associating with crazy people. 🙂
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Actually, I am crazy, crazy about good science, as I think all who enjoy this site are. Good one, Merovign.
Merry Christmas to all and particularly to you, Anthony!
In summary Dr Mann , shut up while you’re behind…
When you are as universally discredited as Mann, there is only one option left open to you: Attack and smear.
This is just another example of the above.
Perhaps a full disclosure of his travel expenses for the year would be a start from him.
He must be having a bit of fun, really. He must be. Right?
Quite frankly, I think mann is too stupid to understand what we’re trying to tell him here.
I also think, once mann has been trounced and humilated by Dr. Ball and Mr. Steyn, Anthony et al ought to take it back to him, for defamation of character. By then even his government pals will have abandoned him.
REPLY: I’ll have to defend Dr. Mann here by saying that my impression is that he is not stupid, but simply caught up in a trap of his own making and is lashing out. He needs an escape hatch, as does climate science in general – Anthony
It may seem at first that we pay too much attention to the tweets and twists of little worms. Global Worming being a serious problem, though, we have to do something about it. Least the little worms become Conqueror Worms [triumphant cords of the Soviet anthem heard in the background].
P.S. Am I the only one who had noticed that the FIFA anthem (the one they play in the beginning of each World Football [Soccer] Championship) is shamelessly plagiarized from the Alksandrov’s bad old USSR anthem (still serving Putin with modified lyrics). Some German “resident composer” made serious money re-writing this pompous crap, not entirely untalented in its original version. Was it a Freudian slip of sorts? It is no secret that all important international sports organizations were firmly in the Soviet pocket. Long-time Olympic Committee Chairman, Juan Antonio Samaranch (Spanish Fascist Party active member from 1920s to 1970s — he was photographed giving a fascist salute to his comrades in 1972!) was Leonid Brezhnev’s favorite elbow-bender.
Plus ca no-change.
Merry Christmas to the indefatigable Anthony, mods, and all the regulars here.
Well now that Mann has set the case for transparency he will not be able to argue against it when it comes to his own finances, for example in a court case…
I recommend for Anthony to have a Mann page each week. Just re-publicise all his public comments without further comment. None are necessary. He devalues himself with every post. And don’t allow 3 rd party comments as this will invite scorn that will allow Mann to claim he is being pilloried by Watt’s cronies. Again, not needed. Just let Mann speak for himself.
And pray tell us , dear Mikey, who is funding all of your law suits?
Mann needs to realise that a real tipping point is coming when the climate scare bubble bursts. Because then he’ll be trampled in the stampede by ex-warmista ‘scientists’ trying to get grants to study global cooling…
Happy Christmas to all, yes including Mann.
Maybe he’d like to read about himself – maybe… in
‘A Climate Carol, a fable for Christmas’ http:www.scribd.com/doc/117775164/Climate-Carol
You know when someone is intelligent, they are witty, urbane, self deprecating and self aware.
Then there are people like Michael Mann!
Alan
Kev-in-Uk says:
December 24, 2012 at 1:58 pm
….Clearly, some of the distorted elements of Man need similarly sorting out………
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Unfortunately like all big bullies Mann has his buddies (aka Lawyers) around to defend him so he feels completely free to descend to the type of behavior that would cause him to sue if he was the recipient as he has repeatedly shown.
If I wasn’t poorer than dirt I would love to foot the bill for some lovely big sharks in suits. Unfortunately it is a catch 22. If Mikey fields a big named law firm paid for by someone else that is acceptable. If a skeptic were to do the same he would be dragged through the mud in an instant.
I am really getting sick to death of the mudslinger double standard.
That alone would have cued me in to the truthful side if I was just researching the topic.
So who’s paying Mann’s legal bills ? The puny professor’s salary sure ain’t !
“In essence, all WUWT readers funded it ”
I so glad my paltry donation to WUWT has been put to good use. Now can I donate $10 to send a calendar to that guy in Austria? Oh yea woof woof 🙂
Nothing wrong with poking a bully with a stick, or calendar,, and on past observations Mann undoubtedly fits my understanding of “bully”*.
As for his reaction, it may play well to his sycophantic followers but anyone else seeing it won’t be able to miss the straw-grasping involved. He’d do well to remember that t’internet is a very big place with a very long memory and most people tend not to take others who rise so pathetically to a good-natured jab terribly seriously in the long run.
Merry Christmas one and all!
* If you’re reading this, Mr Mann, feel free to sue me for that if you honestly believe a Court wouldn’t find some of your past tactics “bullying” 🙂
I am pleased to be a WUWT minion, I believe loyal students are included in the meaning. Contrarywise, I suggest warmists are distemperate termagant myrmidons.
It’s Lutheran Hour and I’ve had a nice glass of wine. I fat-fingered myrmidon and wrote MIRK MIDONS, my fingers are smarter than my besotted brain, your mirkmidons.
There seems to be a universal misunderstanding among skeptics that Mann believes his own utterances. Mann is an expert in his field, his work is widely known, therefore when he speaks people listen. He is a preacher. He knows there are still countless true believers that read his books, his tweets and his Facebook. They look to him for guidance. He will use any and all opportunities to perpetuate the meme that skeptics are well funded and well organized, which is exactly what he did in regards to the calendar. We skeptics are now in the position of defending ourselves once again.
We must place Mann’s reaction in the proper context, which is, a deliberate fabrication to fool the fools, divert attention and cover for his shoddy science. If we accept his reactions as forms of imbecility, self delusion or lack of sense of humor, then the joke is really on us.
I’d rather be a minion than a drone.
Although I don’t think he’ll [trimmed = bad taste], provocation of the unstable is unwise.
And calendars are particularly obnoxious as you can use them to chart date, e.g. showing no hockey stick.
Anthony—you are too charitable. Even pro football linebackers have more literate tweets than the one given by Mann in the entry line.
Reg.Blank, I have just the gift for mickey, a piece of coal. Brown coal for jimmy.
If you were as low as Mann, you’d be filing a suit, though there’s much more satisfaction in watching him make a complete fool of himself. It sincerely beggars belief to the extent that he does; I guess I just shouldn’t be surprised any more.
Reg. Blank says:
December 24, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Santa delivers 8 x 8 steel and concrete penitentiary cells?
I’m looking forward to my Christmann present tomorrow – When I find out watt the next WUWT Mannian exposure will be ….
Dennis Nikols says:
December 24, 2012 at 1:46 pm
“The tactic of the “Big Lie” is alive well and practiced by any and all who have only propaganda to spin for the that big PR effect. Ignore him. These bullies deflate like a balloon as soon as no one is looking at them.”
It comes, of course, from a much earlier practitioner of the art, a now deceased but well known German who also delighted in the soubriquet of “Doctor.” There is some resemblance in their styles.
Poor old Mann having to spend time blocking all those nasty Tweeters. Guess he shouldn’t be so offensive in his own tweeting huh? Pot and kettle come to mind!
Everybody knows that the best way to get out of a hole you dug is to keep digging.
I think the good Dr. Mann needs a friend that tells him when to shut up. We all need such friends because at some point in time when say something we shouldn’t have and then make it worse by trying to fix our verbal mistake. I think, however, that Dr. Mann will only surround himself with “yes” men, those that hang on his word like he it was gospel. The way he censors and pretends to be someone he isn’t, I just can’t see him surrounding himself with true friends.
Just how much rage and frustration can you squeeze into 140 characters?
(See Michael E. Mann’s tweets)
Just how much value for money can you get out of a $10 calendar?
(See Michael E. Mann’s tweets)
You do know Anthony that you HAVE ruined his Christmas, and now so does the rest of the Twatosphere™
(See Michael E. Mann’s tweets)
I just love that squealing sound!
SUE HIM
“There has been, for years now, a very well-organized and frankly well-funded effort to confuse the public about climate change.” Yep, pretty much describes you and yours Dr mann.
Kevin-UK says that his patience with Dr Mann has worn out. Me too. He calls me a loony and a minion. He knows nothing about me yet I have seen him display his character repeatedly over years and its not pretty.
The man has no class and so I feel entitled to return like with like.
Fact is, without doubt, and eminently provable, Dr Mann that you ae dishonest. You lie as a matter of course. Sue me [snip]
Dr. Mann,
Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Send the [snip] an account as part of his antichristmas/antiscience spirit.
It is Christmas day here 10: 35 am – MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL.
Happy new year for next week.
I Actually like Michael Mann, and I respect his opinion and all his hard work. get back to the debate, is global warming catastrophic?
..REPLY: I’ll have to defend Dr. Mann here by saying that my impression is that he is not stupid, but simply caught up in a trap of his own making and is lashing out. He needs an escape hatch, as does climate science in general – Anthony..
Of course, that is probably a fair comment Anthony – but the issue is that he has had numerous opportunities of which to avail himself of an ‘escape hatch’. he could creat one himself in the blink of an eye by simply being a decent and honest bloke – say, by releasing his workings for scrutiny and stopping with the psuedoscience crapola! I half defended him in the other thread – but when all said and done; the way he acts leaves one no choice but to deduce he is completely delusional, both of his own importance and of his ‘scientific’ beliefs…..it is sad, but honestly, there is nothing that even his bestest friend can do for him! (only your real friends will tell you when you are being a complete ar$e! – can we deduce that he probably has no real friends? – or that any he has, he doesn’t listen to!)
Mann’s grasp of science is only slightly exceeded by his grasp of English!
And a very Merry Christmas to Anthony and all the minions
Gail Combs says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:59 pm
sure, it is unfair that this guy sits behind a wall of legal protection for his fraudulent scientific activities, which of course, we know full well – whereas the rest of us do not have such a luxury. I am a very patient man – and hopefully, one day, he (and his ilk) will get his just deserts. That thought is really all we need, as decent human beings, to ignore him and continue on our way…….but should a ‘bike shed’ opportunity arise, I would hope it will be grasped!
Anthony I would advise not to over explain this; the allegation is comical in itself and only deserves our laughter, but by being too defensive it appears there’s something in it.
Merry Christmas all.
For a man that was so ruthlessly exposed to the world as a potentially unloveable character by ClimateGate, he hasn’t helped his case by TwitterFlapping!
This is so sad to spectate; a really gifted bloke made to look a fool by his own actions.
Time and time again.
Nonetheless, Dr Mann, have a lovely Xmas and best wishes for the New Year.
I think its fairly well known that fossil fuel companies regularly contribute money to fund global warming/climate change studies and organizations. I’d be curious to see if any of their funds have made it into any of Dr. Mann’s grants…
I like Mann too, I respect his hard work because clearly he’s a double-agent with a long term plan to completely destroy the credibility of warmist climate scientists. If not then……..wow, what a tool.
BTW, I’ve caught Santa, I put a hood over his head, I think I can hold him for awhile, but he’s putting up a bit of a struggle, just a heads up. 🙂
Mann does good work for the very people he dislikes , keep him under pressure , keep him in the spot light and let his ego do the rest.
Hi Sparks
Welcome to a website where debate is not censored – your comments (as long as civil) are published for all to see.
If Mann starts a bun-fight, yet won’t tolerate debate on anything he is associated with, then where else are we to have our reposts posted?
You’ll find plenty of other CAGW debates under the main WUWT website at http://wattsupwiththat.com
Season’s Greetings one and all
Andi
Andi,
I just tried to send you an email, the email address you give is undeliverable, can you make a new comment with a working email address?
Philip Foster (Revd) says: December 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Very nicely done, Philip! I particularly enjoyed your elegant turns of phrase, such as:
Merry Christmas to all!
Hilary Ostrov
References to coal as Christmas gifts seem to miss the history insofar as when many homes were heated with coal, a little extra was a good thing and something to be desired. Not unlike CO2, if many readers of WUWT are correct that Earth is cooling.
Merry Christmas to all!
the problem for Mann, as for Kerry, is that reality keeps getting in the way:
24 Dec: Washington Times: Steve Goreham: Kerry as Secretary of State: Global warming first, world hunger, disease, nuclear arms second
(Steve Goreham is Executive Director of the Climate Science Coalition of Americaand author of the new book The Mad, Mad, Mad World of Climatism: Mankind and Climate Change Mania)
Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/climatism-watching-climate-science/2012/dec/24/john-kerry-secretary-state-nominee-and-climate-cru/#ixzz2G1XYEl4G
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Kerry has also been a long-time crusader in the effort to try to stop global warming.
With the possible exception of former Vice President Al Gore, Senator Kerry has been the most fervent climate hawk in the United States Congress. Kerry believes that “catastrophic climate change represents a threat to human security, global stability, and—yes—even to American national security” and that global warming is man-made.
He further states that “Once you accept the science, it’s clear that such massive environmental change will create dislocation, destruction, chaos, and conflict.”
Senator Kerry and his wife authored the 2008 book This Moment on Earth: Today’s New Environmentalists and Their Vision for the Future, asking the question, “And what, in the face of so many powerful interests defending the status quo, are each of us willing to do, today and tomorrow, to force a change of course?”…
Senator Kerry parrots the “science” of man-made global warming with the starry-eyed ideology of a young environmentalist. After tornados killed 50 people in the Southeastern US in February 2008, Kerry appeared on MSNBC and concluded that man-made warming was to blame: “…this is related to the intensity of the storms that is related to the warming of Earth…the storms are more intensive and the rainfall is more intense…”
But a simple look at data from the National Climatic Data Center shows that strong tornado activity in the US has decreased since the 1970s…
In another example last July, Senator Kerry warned about rising seas, stating, “With the melting of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet alone, global sea levels could rise by as much as 3.26 meters in the coming years. And the Pacific and Atlantic coasts may be in for a 25 percent increase above average levels by century’s end.”
But, empirical data indicate growth of both Antarctic sea ice and land ice over the last 30 years.
Data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia show no increase in global surface temperatures for more than ten years. Nevertheless, Mr. Kerry continues his climate crusade…
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/climatism-watching-climate-science/2012/dec/24/john-kerry-secretary-state-nominee-and-climate-cru/
Appears to be a gross misunderstanding, Anthony. The crazy person I was talking about was Mann!
It seems to me that Michael Mann has two major problems – firstly he doesn’t give a fig for the truth and secondly he seems to have a conviction that the truth is whatever he wants it to be.
In my mind, both of which traits serve only to set him apart as a ‘scientist’ who has insufficient honesty and character to be a scientist – and to me everything I have read that he has uttered show that a scientist is something he is clearly not.
Mann’s upset about a fictional $44/k per year of private money?
I’m upset by the fact that more public money is spent every minute supporting warmist causes. $8.8 billion in 2010 according to the GAO.
As it’s Christmas we mustn’t forget the religious aspect of climate science as described by Michael E. Mann, one of two keynote speakers, who addressed a conference in 2009 at the Pasquerilla Spiritual Center on Penn State’s University Park campus.
It was about, “Stewardship or Sacrifice? Religion and the Ethics of Climate Change” and was arranged by the Rock Ethics Institute and the Jewish Studies Program.
“The purpose of the conference is to explore the role of religion in helping solve the climate change crisis.”
http://www.psu.edu/dept/rockethics/climate/events/ssrecc/index.shtml
If Max had known what his grandson would become he would have stayed at home in Russia.
I really think ignoring him would be a better tactic. Or just laughing at him. Justifying yourself based on his “twits” is only helping him.
REPLY: I thought about that, but the usual cheap tactic they use when you don’t respond is “What is he hiding?” There is already a second tweet by him to that effect. So now I can say, “asked, answered, get over yourself” and move on. I don’t plan to respond to him again, unless of course he brings more paranoid hilarity to the table with entertainment value. See also item 7. – Anthony
Wow – I’ve been elevated to minion.
Hey, Professor Mann – maybe you can explain who put up the money to get your book published (and also why you had to go through Columbia Press and not your own university’s publishing arm).
Is it perhaps they’d know where you got the money from (and wouldn’t want to answer FOIA requests about it) – or is it the fact they only publish high quality and well researched books?
Next time, save everybody some time and money – publish your next book on twitter (#fraud). That is, if you actually have enough verified facts to fill 140 characters.
Nah.
At 8.8 x 10^9 dollars/year, it only works out to $16,731 per minute. Trivial. NOT!
Your explanation is well and good as far as it goes, Anthony, but the central question still remains:
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH HIS STRAWBERRIES?
What I want to know out of M. M. is:
How much compensation has Michael Mann received for his involvement with Global Warming – Global Climate Change?
Who(m) did the compensation come from?
Got to feel a little sorry for Mann. He’d absolutely love Anthony to be funded in some massive way by “big oil”, as that is a mainstay argument of his.
But, it is not happening, so he keeps bleating about $88K (even though he knows it was $44K) and only further undermines his own argument.
Hi Andi,
If I like and respect someone, it does not mean I have to agree with them. Does it?
>>>”I’ll have to defend Dr. Mann here by saying that my impression is that he is not stupid,”
That’s an incredibly magnanimous observation given his behavior, but you’re probably right. What IS true of Dr. Mann is that he is a mediocre scientist who has delusions of grandeur. There are few pieces of research that truly define a field. Newton, Maxwell, Einstein and others were brilliant men who made contributions that redefined our understanding of the physical world, but even they had their theories verified through years of experiment and observation. In his case, Mann expects to see that phase skipped entirely and have us heap adulation upon him now.
I’d have less disdain for him if there was a hint of humility. A less self-absorbed person might point to his own work and warn everyone that it indicates that we are facing catastrophe, but in the same breath admit that observations were lacking and that he would do whatever necessary to dispel doubts. He would then proceed to release all data and methodology, along with relevant correspondence, and invite others to confirm his findings, That Mann would be a sympathetic figure and when his errors were pointed out, he might actually express some relief that the problem could be less bad than he once thought.
Instead we have a scientist who demands that all kowtow to his magnificence, and ignore the errors, omissions and overstatements. Has he, in fact, ever admitted that there was any problem with any part of his work? He obviously believes that he is destined to be a legendary figure, but the truth is that he’s an overage scientist who was canny enough to enter a field just when it was becoming politicized, and he’s ridden the wave. That alone proves he’s not stupid, but it doesn’t make him a great scientist. Like many others, when he is good he’s not original, and when he’s original he’s not good. Sadly for him, his name will become a punchline in 10 years, and his fame will be of a kind that he would never wish for.
Sounds to me like Dr. Mann has not yet realized that there is no pony at the bottom of the hole he’s been digging.
JohnH says: “Sadly for him, his name will become a punchline in 10 years,”
That was true over a decade ago.
I’ve long called Senator McCain ‘Captain Queeg’, but perhaps it’s time for that to pass to the good Dr. Mann. It does seem rather fitting. Strawberries indeed.
Maybe he is miffed because what he really wanted for Christmas was a hockey stick….
I am pleased to be a “Minion”. I have never in my life achieved Minionhood.
With luck, I may get promoted to “Henchman”
Perhaps we could buy a lump of coal and send it to him for Christmas?
Or if two people did it, if two people bought him a lump of coal, they’d call them both Deniers….
But if Three People did it, if three people a day marched in, bought a lump of coal, and mailed it to Mr. Mann, in harmony, they’d call it a movement….
Hmmm…. Wonder if the University regulations prevent disposing of a lump of coal as it is ‘toxic waste’…. It would be a hoot if they had to call a hazmat team for every gift of a lump of coal…
At one time sacks of coal were sold in the local hardware store. But that was 20 years ago. At this point I don’t think you can get coal… but it’s the thought that counts 😉 (Maybe a Kingsford briquette would do…)
😉 of course…
You’re in good company. There are many more minions in an Olympic-sized swimming pool than Mann’s best friends in a Manhattan.
Merry Christmas Anthony and Mods
Dr Mann’s use of words is also in error regarding the tweet of WUWT minions. The first dictionary I looked at was “minion: a servile follower or subordinate of a person in power.”
Anthony, or Anthony representing WUWT, a person in power, has only once given me an order of any type. That was a request to hold talking until he adjusted a hearing aid.
Did that make me a minion? I think not.
Do I see Anthony exerting powers over his readers? I think not.
No. No minions here, Michael.
If you are still missing the minion point, go back to Climategate and read what your mate Keith Briffa was ordering poor Russian dendros to do, like all the hard yakka for some money that might turn up via a possibly illegal, tax-avoidance brown paper bag, and to try to make their results fit the meme of global warming. People told to act like minions are quite capable of retaliation like Climategate … if there was a Russian connection in the paper trail.
p.s. Since I started bogging, I have received no money or consideration whatsoever from any person or body in return. I’m fascinated by the repeated lie that commentators are in the pay of Big Oil. It’s so worng, as you have been told so many times.
Really, Anthony, you should lay off Mikey for awhile. He’s not that bright (or at least not nearly as bright as he thinks he is), and his ego, while tiny, is so comically hyper-inflated that it bursts at slightest prick and then he has to pump it back up all over again, which must be exhausting.
Where is your Christian charity during this, the holiday season?
Merry Christmas to all!
E M Smith,
Perhaps coal should be a New Years day gift, in the tradition of First Footing in Scotland when the first person entering a house on New Years Day brought gifts for luck? According to tradition, one of these gifts should be a piece of coal or peat. Such a gift is supposed to ensure that there will be a steady source of warmth in the house throughout the year. No death trains when living is difficult.
Sandy
Mike Mann must have thought: beware Greeks bringing gifts. Nobody ever sents him a prezzie so there must be an alterior motive, obviously. But then again, I’m not Freud so what do I know?
Michael Mann is fighting a trench war and is randomly throwing accusations. Must be hard for him to get overwhelmed by the dirt he has dug up himself and in the mean time also get all the accusations back in his trench as they get reflected by walls of evidence that he is a completely delusional.
Merry Christmas, Anthony, and have a good time with your family!
Heartland’s yearly income compared to Warmist propoganda bodies.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/01/follow-the-money-why-heartland-is-a-big-threat/
Minion Envy. I will be burning a few carbon loaded tree rings in the fireplace today and trying not to think of the Penn State Professor of Comedology.
Well, Mann always did have a problem with inflating numbers…
Mr Mann, we as the public don’t give a rat’s arse about private money — none of our business (unless you’re a shareholder in said organization). We’re only concerned about our public taxpayer money. Where does your money come from?
Even this simple, basic concept seems to elude you & many others.
Sparks says:
December 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Hi Andi,
If I like and respect someone, it does not mean I have to agree with them. Does it?
No but it does expose our life values. It is usually very difficult to respect someone whos values are completely different from your own.
Mann’s value are there for all to see and now so are yours. !!!!!
I know you feel a need to respond to Mikey but he’s just trolling. There’s no reason to dignify his posts. You will never convince him or his Twit followers, anyway. Maybe next time, just publish a report that demolishes what he has said without mentioning or quoting him at all.
Please keep the Mann in the public eye, he does such fine work for a critical look at the climate lunacy. Merry Christmas All
It seems to me that Anthony (as a public figure) has a case for libel.
Mann’s tweets and posts are demonstrably false, delivered with malice and are intended to cause Anthony harm. They are hardly in the realm of opinion or fair comment.
According to Wikipedia, the case of NYT v. Sullivan allows that a libel suit can be won if the plaintiff can demonstrate the publisher had “knowledge that the information was false” or that the information was published “with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not”.
Mann knows that these things are not true and is seeking to sully Anthony’s reputation by false associations. Just sayin’
Sparks says:
December 24, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I Actually like Michael Mann, and I respect his opinion and all his hard work. get back to the debate, is global warming catastrophic?
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I would sincerely like to know why you like him and respect his opinion.
Merry Xmas to Anthony Watts and his hard working mods and contributors. What a great site this is.
One of us needs to do a posting on the funding of the alarmists/warmists as compared to the skeptic community. Stating sources and recipients for both sides. Documentation of this would be a good thing.
Mann, the poster boy for [snip], which ideology seem to dictate that the person live on the grants from others all the while trying to force your grants into his purse as well.
Mann should be given the dummy’s guide to “when in a hole, stop digging” for Christmas next year.
Ed Zuiderwijk says:
December 25, 2012 at 12:46 am
“…Mike Mann must have thought: beware Greeks bringing gifts. Nobody ever sents him a prezzie so there must be an alterior motive, obviously. But then again, I’m not Freud so what do I know?…”
Well, sometimes a calendar is just a calendar.
To some, apparently, it’s seen as a reminder that their days are numbered, and that each passing day is an opportunity lost to “spread the word”.
If we really want to get to him, send him a birthday card on December 28, wishing him a happy 47’th birthday, with many happy returns.
Hope he has the happiest birthday anyone has seen in the past millennium.
You would think that during this precious season, people would stop and think before they open their mouths or apply fingers to keyboards. I for one am grateful for all points of view. My own has been immensely improved by the offerings of others not of my own persuasion. To them I owe a Santa Claus bag full of gratitude. That would include Mr. Mann.
It goes without saying that Anthony and his moderators have the true spirit of Christmas in their hearts.
What LearDog said at 12:17 pm
Imagine the funds for legal representation that would materialize in the “fling funds” jar should Dr. Mann ever push things a tad too far.
There’s a happy Christmas thought!
Merry Christmas to all from the Minions at Local 734 of the International Federation of Minions and Henchmen ;o)
Mann has no shame and will stoop to any tactic that serves his purpose. Truth is irrelevant to him. However ignoring it destroys his reputation and his case beyond his little circle of sycophants.
Michael Mann, drama queen
a comparison of how The Team talks about other scientists who prove inconvenient:
Here Gavin Schmidt is talking about Svensmark, but for a moment I imagined he must be talking about Michael Mann! It is Mann who most needs to “get over his Gallileo complex.” Is anyone more of a drama queen than Michael Mann?
article on CLOUD experiment and cosmic rays
[h/t Tom Nelson]
For comparison, here is Michael Mann, drama queen:
some Climategate flashbacks
Michael Mann, drama queen:
Here is how the bloviating blowhard Michael Mann operates when he does not want to allow even slightly independent scientific perspectives to function:
Michael Mann working to keep critical scientists out of key PAGES workshop
von Storch and Zorita were “inconvenient” to his agenda, and he had to try to keep them away from key bodies such as PAGES. He yielded to Briffa’s entreaty since Zorita had already been invited, but gosh what a blowhard….
Mann knows that if you repeat the lie often enough, people will eventually come to believe it.. The bigger the lie, the more likely this will happen. All you have to do is look at the media today to know that this works – just as Joseph Goebbels said it would…
James Allison says:
December 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm
“I would sincerely like to know why you like him and respect his opinion.”
Well, it was Christmas and I was in a good mood, to be honest I don’t really like and respect him as much as you might think, In fact I think I was being too kind by saying that I did.
I’m a minion? I don’t wanna be a minion. I want my own minions! Can you put a Carl Sagan’s ‘billions’ prununciation on ‘minions’? Minions and Minions!
I don’t know if the Koch foundation would consider statements that it is funding “climate denial” sites to be libelous, but if they do, perhaps their lawyers should be asking questions of Dr. Mann.
Appologies if this is previously pointed out. Mann’s rat hole is below the bus under which the politicians need to [metaphorically] throw him. For the missleading hockey stick graph. He absolutely should not be provided with access to another bolt hole
Isn’t it amazing that anyone feels the need to place a scientist, a scientist currently suing to uphold his reputation no less, on notice that he must stick to facts.
I am a graduate in Earth Sciences, so have some basis for judging the science. However if I was not then I would look at honesty. The alarmist arguments and propaganda is based so much on dishonesty and even downright lies that it is impossible to believe anything they say.
Remember, according to Dr Mann, the temperatures are the warmest they’ve been in a minion years.
Mycroft? Sherlock’s dimmer older brother? What would your advice lead to in operational terms? Nothing. Non-violently smile sweetly and take it up the hind orifice? Is that your preference? Others may differ.