Cooling in the near future?

Global Cooling – Climate and Weather Forecasting.

Guest post by Dr. Norman Page

Introduction.

Over the last 10 years or so as new data have accumulated the general trend and likely future course of  climate change has become reasonably clear. The earth is entering a cooling phase which is likely to last about 30 years and possibly longer. The major natural factors  controlling climate change have also become obvious.Unfortunately the general public has been bombarded by the scientific and media and political establishments with anthropogenic global  warming  – anti CO2 propaganda based on the misuse and misrepresentation of already shoddy IPCC “science”   for political ,commercial and personal ends.

The IPCC climate science community  largely abandoned empirical Baconian inductive scientific principles  and  built  worthless climate models based on  unfounded assumptions designed to show that anthropogenic CO2 was the driving force behind changing climate. Most of the IPCC output is useless as a tool for predicting future climate trends and their impacts and in particular the IPCC Summaries for Policymakers can be safely ignored for practical purposes. The divergence between the IPCC Hansen projections and the observed trends is shown below.

Fig 1 ( From Prof. Jan-Erik Solheim (Oslo) )

Fortunately, however , the basic data is now easily available so that any reasonably intelligent person can check on line daily or monthly to see what the incoming empirical data actually is and draw ones own conclusions.

Here’s how to do it in a few simple steps. I have put  in CAPITALS the main empirical observations on which one can draw conclusions re climate change ,its causes and future trends and also get a good idea of weather patterns and trends for the next year or so.

1. Check the Temperature Trends and Data.

Because of the Urban Heat Island effect ,the built in local variability of the NH land data and the thermal inertia of the oceans, Sea Surface Temperatures are the best measure of global temperature trends. These show that the global warming trend ended in about 2003. THERE HAS NOW BEEN NO NET WARMING SINCE 1997 -15 YEARS WITH  CO2 RISING 8.5% WITH NO GLOBAL TEMPERATURE INCREASE.  SINCE 2003 THE TREND IS NEGATIVE.

To check the past years go to

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat

and for monthly updates go to.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/monthly.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat

The 2012 average NCDC SST anomaly thru Sept was .4438 versus the 1997 annual anomaly of  .4575.

The peak anomaly was .5207 in 2003.

An excellent site for reviewing all the basic temperature data is  http://www.climate4you.com/

2. Check the current phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

Here  is a plot and suggested projection based on the Hadley SST3  from Tallbloke.

Fig 2

(See:  http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/the-carbon-flame-war-final-comment/)  He says “I have put together a simple model which replicates sea surface temperature (which drives global lower troposphere temperature and surface temperatures a few months later). The correlation between my model and the SST is R^2=0.874 from 1876 FOR MONTHLY DATA.” The model is shown  with predictions to 2050 (blue) along with the HADsst3 (red).

I included Fig 2  because an approximate 60 year cycle is obvious by inspection and this coincides well with the  30 year +/- positive (warm) and  30year +/ negative (cold) phases of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.  Figure 2 shows warming from about 1910 –  1940-45  , cooling from then to about 1975 -.warming to about 2003-5 and cooling since then. Total warming during the 20th century was about 0.8 degrees C. For a complete discussion and review of the data relating the PDO to the other oceanic cycles and temperatures see

http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/pdfs/aleo-easterbrook_ch5Relationship-multidecadal-global-temps-to-oceanic-oscillations.pdf

For latest PDO data see  http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

IT IS CLEAR THAT WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF A THIRTY YEAR NEGATIVE  (COOLING ) PDO CYCLE.

Fig3    ( from http://www.climate4you.com/)

3. Check Solar Activity – where are we at?

The major ice age  climate cycles are controlled by the sun – earth orbital eccentricity,and the earth’s obliquity and precession. These cycles are approximately 100,000, 41,000 and 21000 years  in length respectively and are well documented in the ice core and geological record. It is useful to keep in mind that the warmest temperatures in the current interglacial occurred about 7500+/- years ago and the GENERAL TREND IS NOW A COOLING TOWARDS THE NEXT ICE AGE.

                                Fig 4  http://colli239.fts.educ.msu.edu/1999/07/11/vostok-1999/

These long term cycles are modulated by quasi cyclic trends in solar activity  which may be decadal ,centennial or millennial in length.Of particular interest in deciding where we are with regard to the solar cycles is the approximately 1000 +/- year cycle which produced succesively the Roman Warm Period, the Dark Ages,the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age and the recent 20th century warming.

Fig 5  (From  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/10/global_warming_undermined_by_study_of_climate_change/ )

The red line shows the continuing cooling trend from the Holocene optimum and the 1000yr +/- solar cycle is clearly seen.

NOTE –  A REASONABLE CASE CAN BE MADE THAT THE WARMING PEAKS OF A 60 YEAR  PDO CYCLE AND THE 1000 YEAR SOLAR CYCLE COINCIDED AT 2000 +/- AND WE ARE LIKELY ON THE COOLING SLOPE OF BOTH.

The clearest empirical measure of  solar activity is the solar magnetic field strength. On an empirical basis Livingston and Penn have shown that the decline in solar magnetic field strength suggests that sunspots could disappear by about 2015 signalling THE START OF A NEW  MAUNDER MINIMUM WITH SIGNIFICANT COOLING.

For a semi-empirical estimate of the possible cooling if a Maunder Minimum does develop see http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Shindell_etal_1.pdf

Note the abstract of the Shindell  paper (Mann is one of the et als) says  “THIS LEADS TO COLDER TEMPERATURES OVER THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE CONTINENTS ESPECIALLY IN WINTER (1 to 2 C), IN AGREEMENT WITH HISTORICAL RECORDS AND PROXY DATA FOR SURFACE TEMPEERATURES

 “For a good review of the latest sunspot and magnetic data see

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/03/the-sun-still-slumping/     and to keep  with the decline in solar magnetic field strength  and the liklihood of a Maunder Minimum  check  monthly the Livingston and Penn thread at

http://solarcycle24com.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=855

Perhaps the best indicator of the effect of the declining solar magnetic field can be seen in the Galactic Cosmic Ray flux.

This can be checked on a daily basis at http://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/#database

Fig 6 Neutron count since 1964 from the Oulu data base.

The Dec 2009 neutron maximum  ( solar cycle 23 -24  minimum) is greater than anything seen previously and the neutron count is now (Nov 2012) higher than at any comparable time in previous cycles since we are only 12 -18 months away from the cycle 24 solar maximum.There was a secular change in solar magnetism in 2005 – check the WUWT link posted earlier. The neutron count ties to earths climate via cloud cover and albedo. Simply put –  the lower the neutron count the lower the cloud cover  and the warmer the temperature. Because  of the enthalpy and thermal inertia of the oceans there is  a 10 – 12 year lag between the neutron troughs  and global SSTs. The short term  temperature record is variable over shorter times than 12 years because of El Ninos and  La Ninas  and volcanic and lunar effects but  the increasingly lower counts on the three troughs from 1970 –  1991 are well matched by the temperature rise from 1981 – 2003. THE RELATIVELY HIGH NEUTRON COUNT IN 2012 COMPARED WITH 1970 SUGGESTS THAT BY 2024 GLOBAL TEMPERATURES WILL BE BELOW THOSE OF 1970 WHICH WERE ALREADY BELOW 2012  BY ABOUT 0.36 C.

4. Check the Southern Oscillation Index.

Having checked the PDO a look at the SOI  will give  a shorter term look at climate and weather trends over a three or – five year period and a good idea of climate and  related weather  over the next six – 12 months.On a global scale, during El Ninos temperatures are warmer and during La Ninas temperatures are colder. El Ninos are more common during the positve phase of the PDP and La Ninas are more frequent during the negative or cold phase of the PDO. Here is where we are now.(Nov 2012)

Fig 7  http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

In Fig 7 values above +8 indicate La Ninas, values below -8 are El Ninos and values in betwen are neutral or La Nadas.

Figure 7  also has some predictive value relative to global temperatures. ( Mclean et al JGR 2009)  Global temperatures appear to lag the SOI by about 7 months.

5. Climate , Weather  and Extreme Events.

Sections 1 – 4 above show that the earth has entered a cooling trend which will continue for at least 30 years and perhaps longer. To get some idea of possible extreme weather events we might look at extremes found between the MWP and the Little Ice Age. It is unlikely however that any future extremes will be “unprecedented”.There is a large literature on this topic which interested parties can consult.Some general empirical observations can be made.

On a cooling earth there is a steeper temperature gradient from the Tropics to the Poles. This produces instabilities with the jet stream swinging meridionally further south and north. Thus blocking  high pressure systems develop with extremes  of cold and heat and sharp temperature gradients between air masses with for example Sandy type blizzards or tornado swarms. A cooler world will be a generally drier world with increasing droughts globally and  in e.g the USA corn belt and in the USA in general When combined with shorter growing seasons and possible early and late frosts this is likely to threaten world food production as population increases.

The PDO and SOI  indices are the main ocean climate and weather indicators.Obviously ,for regional analyses at particular times, the phases  of other ocean systems relative to the first two –  for the U.S for example  the AMO and NAO need to be considered. These are easily checked by looking from time to time at the work of the best climate and weather  interpreters Joe D’Aleo and Joe Bastardi on http://www.icecap.us/

6.Summary of some Future Trends and Policy Suggestions.

The empirical observations highlighted in CAPITALS above indicate that the global warming  temperature  trend has peaked .The peak is broad with only a little cooling to date but this will likely accelerate from 2015 or 2016 on reflecting the beginning of the increase  in the cosmic ray count already seen   from 2004  – 2009 in Fig 6. The cooling will last until 2030- 2040. Often the signal for a climate direction change is a see saw effect between Arctic and Antarctic sea ice. The Arctic is still reflecting the peak in the warming  trend with low summer ice values.

The first indication of a cooling event is however the increase in Antarctic sea ice which has already occurred.

This alters the oceanic deep water circulation patterns and spreads the cooling world wide. The Arctic ice will begin to catch up in a five years or so.

With a cooling world sea levels will stop rising and begin to fall  as glaciers and ice caps begin to increase and the oceans compress with cooling.Eventually the rate of CO2 increase will slow and may even reverse even if human emissions continue to rise .

Because the error bars in our rough estimates of natural temperature variations are larger than any possible

effect of  anthropogenic CO2 ( the sensitivity curve is logarithmic and there is currently no observed empirical connection between CO2 and measured global temperatures) we cannot even measure the small effect of anthropogenic CO2 .Furthermore it is simply delusional to try to control temperature by emmission caps when the warming threat is non existent. Indeed because crop production is helped by CO2 it would make more sense to increase CO2 emissions to ameliorate the deleterious effects of cooling.
The increasing  damage from extreme ( but not unprecedented ) events arises because billions of people have moved into coastal areas,deserts and semi -arid regions during a period of unusually optimum climate. We should review infrastructure and water resources in light of the climate and weather trends outlined above and make adaptive investments as necessary after cost benefit analysis.In general ,food stocks should be built up, GM seeds adapted to drought and cold should be developed.The use of ethanol from food stocks is criminal folly and all subsidies and mandates should be abolished immediately. The best way to reduce the human footprint on the planet is to reduce population growth by getting the cheapest energy and food to the maximum number of people possible . This would free billions of women from toil so that they could pursue education , and raise their standard of living . The birth rate would drop significantly if women’s status were raised in this way.

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As usual, the solar/cosmic ray data are muddled and cherry picked to have the desired effect.E.g. the cosmic ray intensity, compare with: http://www.puk.ac.za/opencms/export/PUK/html/fakulteite/natuur/nm_data/data/SRU_Graph.jpg
Hermanus has the longest record. It is very difficult to maintain a correct long-term stability and Oulu is one of the stations that seem to have problems in that regard. Here is more on the long-term variation of solar activity: http://www.leif.org/research/The%20long-term%20variation%20of%20solar%20activity.pdf

MarkW

Section 4: “El Ninos are more common during the positve phase of the PDP ”
Shouldn’t that be PDO?

MarkW

According to UN predictions, the world’s population is likely to peak in the next 20 to 40 years anyway. In my opinion, the peak is much closer, more like 10 to 20 years.

If you extend Fig5 back to the so-called Minoan Warm Period, c. 3300 years ago, the downward trend of global temperature is even more pronounced. Yet that warm period wasn’t even the hottest part of the Holocene, which occurred during the Climatic Optimum, at various points prior to 5000 years ago.

Gunga Din

Now that my “snowblowers” have grown up and moved out, maybe I should buy one that runs on gas?

P. Solar

The introductory paragraph is excellent. Sums it up nicely.
However the rest of the post lacks pocus, seems bit rambling and does not make the point particarly well.

On Figure 4, that looks like a true peak to me. That is not good.

kwik

“The earth is entering a cooling phase which is likely to last about 30 years and possibly longer. ”
I think you are correct. My guess is that’s why UEA is asking for openess now, instead of concensus. They are seeing the writing on the wall too……

P. Solar

The IPCC fraud was to take the rising phase of long established natural variation and pretend it will continue to rise for the next 100 years.
They’ve got a lot of people suckered.
http://i49.tinypic.com/xbfqtw.png
Discrepancy in war years is due to many hurricanes being missed due to shipping disruption.
(Vecchi and Knutson 2008)

nc

Let’s say c02 has raised 8.5 %, is that anthropogenic. How come no one seems to differentiate, when talking c02 rise, between natural and anthropogenic.
Ya but the rise in c02 will mellow out the coming cool period. Do not decrease, increase 🙂

Because of the enthalpy and thermal inertia of the oceans there is a 10 – 12 year lag between the neutron troughs and global SSTs.
I very much doubt this. And given this is the period of the solar cycle, I’d suggest you have the wrong sign on the effect.

Ian W

“In general ,food stocks should be built up, GM seeds adapted to drought and cold should be developed.The use of ethanol from food stocks is criminal folly and all subsidies and mandates should be abolished immediately.”
Yet thanks to Larry Summers (ex Goldman Sachs) and current Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner the Clinton administration pass the ‘Commodity Futures Modernization Act’ which became law in 2000. This allowed large grain companies to turn the food markets into commodity funds like the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index for everything from corn to coffee and pigs — so now the US does not have a Grain Reserve but lots of rich bankers and hedge funds betting on the grain prices. As the rules were set to prevent short selling, prices ratchet continually upward – lots of happy money men driving around in their corn fueled flex-fuel vehicles,
http://www.globalresearch.ca/getting-used-to-life-without-food/25483
Unfortunately, the poor cannot eat complex derivatives – and currently “a child dies every 5 seconds from hunger”
Now as the grow-lines start moving south and even equatorward of the grow-lines, the weather becomes less crop friendly, those grain reserves would have been useful. However, if we are indeed looking at more than 10 years of cooling – it will mean world wide disaster. And the hedge funds and bankers will profit from the famine as even more people die – aren’t they clever bankers.

Robert A. Taylor

You’ve made a definite verifiable prediction, but it will take a considerable time to decide. The current values are an up tick. If the longer term trend continues, the CAGW people are in real trouble, and will implode. If the up tick continues, even briefly, they will still have talking points. Neither their ideas nor yours can be confirmed or denied on a decadal basis.

Ben Wilson

Yeah, who you gonna believe?
Al Gore or those lying thermometers?

Massimo PORZIO

So what?
No, no, no!
Can’t believe that, here in Italy this night the news just told me that in 2060 there will be no difference between winters and summers!
Dr. Page is surely wrong, TV media can’t lie on that.
(It’s sarcastic of course, this morning we get a nice +3°C nearby Milan)

Stephen Wilde

Much as I’ve been saying since 2008 and furthermore I’ve suggested a variety of mechanisms that fit observations.It appears to be solar wavelength and particle effects altering the ozone balance in the atmosphere so as to swing the AO and AAO between positive and negative.
I notice though that the writer supports the cosmic ray link to cloudiness whilst acknowledging greater jetstream movement which would inevitably produce more clouds and that latter proposition is more likely in my view.
Cosmic rays just being one of several proxies for the level of solar activity but having little causal influence if any in themselves.

Wyguy

Amen to that Gunga.

David A. Evans

lsvalgaard says:
November 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm

It is very difficult to maintain a correct long-term stability and Oulu is one of the stations that seem to have problems in that regard.

Sorry Leif. I have some problems at the moment and can’t read long explanations due to lack of concentration among other things. (No worries, I know what the problem is and am working to fix it.)
I know you have problems with the Oulu readings and that they are an outlier. Are the other stations with problems on a similar latitude?
Is there any other reason than that it is an outlier that you have problems with it? (Outliers are not always wrong.)
DaveE.

D Böehm

The alarmism over global warming is misplaced. Global cooling is the real threat. Look at what happened before the Holocene [Holocene = past ≈10,000 years].

If you want the weather to change, hang around for like 30 – 70 years

Want the Climate to change.. just wait 30-70 years! http://www.ironmill.com/2012/11/19/global-cooling-in-the-near-future/

For many reasons it seems likely there are 3 possibilities of merit
that can happen from here regarding climate theory.
We have 16 going on 17 years of zero trend in temperature. The MET
(British meteorological) office admitted this in an article in the
Daily Mail several weeks ago. The debate has been fierce. This is
even with the various adjustments that are made constantly to the
temperature data which have a suspicious bias to 100% of the time
adjust our measurements to show higher temps. Nonetheless even
accepting all these suspicious adjustments we are left with 16 years
of no movement. Even the agw crowd including Hansen and Gavin Schmidt
etc… Seem to have accepted what seems like an inconvenient
statistical improbability. They admit it is so.
The agw enthusiasts are admitting that 20 years would be only A 2%
chance event and likely prove the agw theory to be essentially dead as
is. So a couple years should pretty much decide this. I will
disregard that they’ve said forever that an 8 or 10 year pause was
fine but 15 would be the death but now we’ve got 16 or 17 flat and
they believe 15 is not that remarkable so they want another 5 years.
Similarly a lot of skeptics believe that natural variability was
responsible for the majority of the climb between 1978-1998. The
iPcc said that climb was so far outside the bounds of natural
variability that it was irrefutable evidence of Mankinds involvement.
They used that to argue that nothing could stop co2 that was in the
natural variability because natural variability could not cause a 20
year rise. However apparently co2 can and has apparently been trumped
for 16 years in a row. It is troublesome they can’t say why this
pause has taken place or where the missing energy is but nonetheless
they seem undiminished in their faith as good disciples of their
religion. One can only admire their faith.
I know those on the agw side are caterwauling as I write this as they
always do when confronted with this annoying pause “it has been hot”
they say. 2000s were hotter than 1990s. Yeah we know that but that’s
not what you said. You said it was going to be roughly 0.4C warmer
today than it was 20 years ago and it hasn’t moved a smidgen. That’s
not confirmation. That’s a problem. Yes temperatures haven’t gone
down but the natural variability folks have argued that this is
because the sun has been active and the PDO cycle was positive. So
they are not arguing things should have gotten cooler over the last 16
years either. The argument has been about which theory was right or
wrong.
The folks who believe that natural variability driven mainly by the
PDO 60 year cycle now are asserting that we are definitely in a down
cycle of PDO. Also those who believe solar variability was a factor
in late 20th century warming also agree that the sun has become more
quiescent. As a result they are all predicting a decline over the
next 20-40 years. Both camps of these folks expect temperatures to
decline starting very soon maybe next year.
There is a third possibility which I have elected generally which is
that these other factors are not accounted for in the models by the
agw theory but that co2 has some effect. Given this possibly the 2
things compensate for each other so I see a third possibility that
temps basically don’t go anywhere for 10 or 20 years.
These 3 theories are all at a critical juncture. If co2 really
overwhelms natural variability then the agw crowd really needs the
temps to start accelerating in the next couple years. Time is
effectively up. They don’t have 15 more years to wait. It’s over.
This is put up or shut up time. Not even the intelligentsia accept
the idea of 20 year zero or close to zero warming. On the other hand
those claiming that temperatures are not being influenced by co2 very
much are clearly on the line as well. They need temps to start
declining over the next few years if the theory of sun or PDO are
still intact because these indicators have now gone decidedly
negative. A further push upward would violate their models and
descriptions as much as a cold surge would almost surely crush agw
theory.
If we see flat temps for the next 2 years then I think we see that
these things must be offsetting each other.
Therefore we could do several things. We could have a party in a
couple years and possibly the losers pay for the party. We could have
bets or other humiliating acts. For instance those that believe in
agw – if their theory is proven wrong may have to endure swimming in
Ice cold river for an hour. If it turns out the natural variability
folks win then maybe they have to walk in the hot dessert for a
weekend or something.
I guess if I’m right then maybe I get a vacation in Hawaii for a
month. :). if I’m wrong maybe I have to do half of what the
proponents of the theories will have to do. 🙂
The stage is set. The la Nina year is set – the pacific ocean is
telling us next year is going to be cold. The sun is quiescent. .
PDO is negative. Sun is negative. On the other hand the limit of
natural variability is being reached according to even the most
stalwart agw religious zealots. Therefore if co2 is the overwhelming
factor in climate the agw adherents believe then co2 has finally come
to show itself after 17 years. There’s no point in debating this
anymore. The predictions are cast in stone.
If its cool then I think the agw folks have to have a come to Jesus
confession and admit that their religion has some serious flaws and
apparently co2 isn’t the devil they believe it is.
If we get a soaring hot year next year and the year after worldwide
then nothing in the other theories could explain that they would have
to admit that co2 must be having a big effect.
The time for endless debate is over. Now the dice are cast and I
think nature will tell us the answer over the next year or two.
🙂

Manfred

A recent letter from the nonsensically titled ‘Minister of Climate Change’ in New Zealand confirms the worst. The climate change agenda and policies have now almost nothing whatsoever to do with ‘global warming’ and CO2. This tenuous and simplistic relationship was only the game starter. It has now been safely (from a political perspective) morphed by the socialist-green agenda into a climate change catastrophy and euphemistically laid at the feet of any and all anthropogenic influences. There is no attempt to attribute causation scientifically. Anthropogenic ‘influence’ alone is sufficient raison d’etre to impose policy at the frightful cost of human impoverishment, energy inefficiency and shrinking freedom. In New Zealand it is starting. The high quality aluminium smelter at Bluff is faced with the perfect storm. A market downturn for high quality aluminium and massively increased power price at the hands of Meridian Energy (Government owned), who pride themselves on their wind and hydro generation. The tax payer paid for all the hydro development in the last generation and 60% of all power generated in New Zealand comes from this source. The costs per unit have continued to climb in order to promote renewable energy targets (RET’s), in this case, wind power. If the Bluff smelter closes, which appears possible, this will perfectly characterise the dawn of the new age of impoverishment and hopelessness at the hands of the agenda driven ‘Ministry of We Know Best’. The irony here, if indeed there is one when so much human suffering in the form of joblessness is present, is that the incumbent government in New Zealand is centrist tinted ‘blue’.

eco-geek

The horrific extent of the crimes of the warmists/alarmists are likely to become apparent within a decade. The deceit based diversion of political will to carbon dioxide emission reduction from preparations for the coming major fall in global temperature will cost many lives, possibly hundreds of millions or more, should a Maunder minimum be about to descend upon us.
It will soon become clear that grain production in the Northern hemisphere is about to collapse as the growing zones move southward hundreds of kilometres. It will be clear that the recent “good years” surpluses should have been preserved and stored for the decades of low food production which lie on our immediate horizon. Instead the cupboard is bare and we may only have wind generators to keep us warm. Its just a shame they don’t burn – the wind generators, that is.
Stay cool….

mitigatedsceptic

Has there been any explanation/excuse for IPCC not being invited to Doha?
The politics of AGW must be observed acutely. This was a political expedient that has run amuck. Neither evidence nor argument will change the minds of a whole generation. They will still be trying to stop carbon emissions when they are skating on the Thames and the Rhine.It is reported that the consequences of winter of 1708-9 included 600,000 deaths in France alone from starvation by 1710.
What is to be done?

Mario Lento

I plotted the whole series. This series is already using the modified numbers with the “cooled past” right? So, even with the cooled, past, the last dozen to 16 or so years seem to have deviate from the “follows CO2” mantra. Can anyone tell me if this is the new and improved NOAA data??? Are they going to cool, 1998 through 2005 to show we are still warming?

RockyRoad

Massimo PORZIO says:
November 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm

So what?
No, no, no!
Can’t believe that, here in Italy this night the news just told me that in 2060 there will be no difference between winters and summers!

Personally, I have a hard time believing the summers will be quite that cold.

I have a simple question.
What is the level of accuracy (confidence level as a %) for the global temperature used for 1860 in the various data sets?
Just curious………

n.n

Well, we will be cold. Our machines and systems will need to be modified to function properly in the cold temperatures. We will need to adjust our agricultural and live stock practices. However, barring a “green” revolution, we should have the energy and resources required to survive and even prosper during a general cooling.
The best part is that we will not be subject to mindless extortion for purposes of redistributive change and to artificially advance politicians, scientists, and activists political, economic, and social standing.
No. Wait. They already changed the marketing platform to focus on climate “change”. It seems they have configured the system so that we lose whether the winds blow cool or warm.

@ OssQss: you wrote: “What is the level of accuracy (confidence level as a %) for the global temperature used for 1860 in the various data sets?”
The level of accuracy must have been very high indeed. They had super duper mercury thermometers calibrated at two points using boiling water and ice bath’s at sea level. According to the numbers they use, the must have been good to within 0.0001 degree… so that would be +/- 100 millionths. Sorry I know that’s not what you were asking, but I could not resist.

Bart

And, to top it all off, the rate of change of CO2 is almost perfectly correlated affinely with temperature, which means that human inputs are rapidly sequestered and have virtually no impact on atmospheric concentration. Not only is the global temperature metric careening toward the cliff, but we aren’t even sitting near the front of the bus, much less at the wheel.
At least, in the future, we will be able to restrain the hubris of politicized science simply by making reference to the Great Climate Change Fiasco of the early 21st century.

Bart

Bart says:
November 19, 2012 at 5:53 pm
The missing link.

pochas

OssQss says:
November 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm
“What is the level of accuracy (confidence level as a %) for the global temperature used for 1860 in the various data sets?”
Probably not very, but please don’t adjust it! Oh, wait…

D Böehm

Mario Lento,
Thermometer accuracy is not important in determining a trend. The same mercury thermometers used for the past several centuries in compiling the Central England Temperature record show a steady warming trend, which has not accelerated in modern times. If the thermometer’s accuracy is off by a degree or two, it will still show the long term temperature trend.
Despite a rise in CO2 from about 280 ppmv to today’s 394 ppmv, the long term global warming trend has not accelerated. Conclusion: CO2 has no measurable effect on the global temperature.

davidmhoffer

mitigatedsceptic says:
November 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Has there been any explanation/excuse for IPCC not being invited to Doha?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They are a lightning rod for the science discussion, and they don’t want to discuss the science. Without them in the room, any tough questions about the science don’t result in scientists stuttering and fumbling for answers. The science is settled will be the answer, now let;s move on to strangling freedoms and economies.
But there’s another game afoot, and that is to move many of the important agenda items to another forum, mainly the MEF (Major Economics Forum). Watch for the alarmist proposals to be slid in through the back door at the MEF just like carbon taxes in the US were slid in the back door using the EPA.
The MEF doesn’t get near the coverage in the first place, economics is just not that exciting a thing to report on. This appears to be the brainchild of the Obama administration. Get the discussion out of the public eye, away from the NGO’s, and slide an agreement in pieces through the MEF with the world the none the wiser.
The good news is that China will tell them to p*ss off, as will Russia, India and Brazil. Canada and Japan will both use that as an excuse not to do anything either. But don’t cheer the impending death of the Doha round because what we have to fight now is worse: a deal being done that the public doesn’t know about and isn’t immediately obvious as a “climate deal” but just as damaging in the long run. Backroom politics at the global level is not a good thing.

David A. Evans

logiclogiclogic says:
November 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Me? I don’t know. Add that as theory four..
DaveE.

taxed

The changes to the jet stream that am seeing are pointing towards climate cooling.
Because the jet stream is making bigger movements towards the north and the south, means it will end up flowing over a larger area of the earth’s suface. Which is very likely to lead to a increase in cloud cover.
Also with this greater movement it will allow the increased risk of letting winter bed in early over the NH landmasses.

pochas

Stephen Wilde says:
November 19, 2012 at 4:20 pm
“I notice though that the writer supports the cosmic ray link to cloudiness whilst acknowledging greater jetstream movement…”
On the jet stream business, wouldn’t a quiet sun mean less UV heating of the stratosphere and therefore less poleward movement in the stratosphere? This would mean less Coriolis force and less swirl in the polar vortex, so that the cold air masses would simply flow down the continental interiors instead of mixing randomly in systems that progress west to east? This fits with recent work that indicates that continental interiors are especially cold during intervals of quiet sun.

There seems to be a growing understanding in the wider climate science community that temperature increases have been driven mainly by CO2 and natural cycles with volcanoes and sun spots playing a lesser role. Examples are:
– The posting by Tallbloke mentioned above,
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/the-carbon-flame-war-final-comment/
– The modelling work on my own site:
http://www.climatedata.info/Discussions/Discussions/opinions.php
– The paper by Zhou, J., and K. Tung, 2012 (mentioned here recently).
The thrust of all these papers/postings is that CO2 and natural cycles influence climate (expressed as global mean temperature) by a similar order of magnitude. Tallbloke favours 30% CO2 but up to 50%, I go for 50% +/- 10%, Zhou and Tung go for 50%. If this is the case, the implications are huge.
1. Half of the rapid warming at the end of the last century was natural. The IPCC models assume it all was. They are therefore out by a factor of two. However many nations and international organisations have made countering the impact of the high predictions part of their energy strategy. (Only yesterday I sent a link to a new World Bank paper looking at a 4 °C temperature rise). It will be difficult to reverse this momentum.
2. I don’t imagine many of those behind realclimate.org and kindred sites will find it easy to admit that only half the warming was anthropogenic. On the other hand, many contributors to this site would find it equally hard to admit that only half the warming was natural. In short, few of those who have taken polarised positions would be comfortable with a CO2/natural balance. The fact that the narrow IPCC related climate science community is pushing extreme events suggests that they may be aware of this and are developing an exit/transition strategy which will enable them to keep the grants rolling in.
The next few years are going to be interesting.

RoHa

We’re all going to freeze!
We’re doomed!

Dr. Page’s analysis and conclusions are consistent with mine, as from my speech in April 2012 to chemical engineers in Lis Angeles.
Transcript and slides are at:
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/warmists-are-wrong-cooling-is-coming.html?m=0
We are extremely ill-prepared for the coming cooling. Part III of the speech, “Implications”, describes some of what we can expect. We must have policy changes very soon to meet the challenges ahead.

Some of us have been saying this kind of thing for a long time now. We must remain true to our principles and one of them essentially says correlation is not causation. Admittedly just as tempting for skeptics like me as it is for the AGW believers. Just a little philosophical reminder.

john robertson

The experts of climatology have been insisting that cycle do not occur naturally.Hence the linear response of their models.The cycles apparent in the data are just noise, after all, are we to believe the govt provided experts or our lying eyes? If I thought CO2 was a potent warming gas I would be planning some major burns real soon..

logiclogiclogic says:
November 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The agw enthusiasts are admitting that 20 years would be only A 2%
chance event and likely prove the agw theory to be essentially dead as
is. So a couple years should pretty much decide this. I will
disregard that they’ve said forever that an 8 or 10 year pause was
fine but 15 would be the death but now we’ve got 16 or 17 flat and
they believe 15 is not that remarkable so they want another 5 years.
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In a couple more years they will say 20 years is not significant, another 5 is needed. No amount of time will ever be accepted as having falsified AGW. The 20 years of rising temps before the current leveling were taken as certain proof that AGW was correct, thus any evidence showing it is not correct must be false..

James at 48

Only a month and change until the big whammy! 🙂

Dr. Norman Page writes: “I included Fig 2 because an approximate 60 year cycle is obvious by inspection and this coincides well with the 30 year +/- positive (warm) and 30year +/ negative (cold) phases of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.”
The PDO is inversely related to the sea surface temperature anomalies of the North Pacific over decadal timescales so there cannot be cause and effect based on the PDO.

Gail Combs

ogiclogiclogic says:
November 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm
For many reasons it seems likely there are 3 possibilities of merit
that can happen from here regarding climate theory….
These 3 theories are all at a critical juncture….
The time for endless debate is over. Now the dice are cast and I
think nature will tell us the answer over the next year or two.
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Actually if the natural cycles theory is correct you will see changes.
1. From a El Niño dominated ENSO to a La Niña dominated ENSO.
2. The jet stream going from zonal to meridional
We are already seeing the results of the jets going meridional, blocking highs, Sandy and the cold waves I listed in an earlier comment today link.
Looks like the Northern Hemisphere snow cover is off to a good start according to NOAA. State of the Climate Global Snow & Ice October 2012

During October 2012, the Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent was 1.9 million square km (734,000 square miles) above the long-term average of 17.96 million square km (6.9 million square miles). This monthly value ranks as the eighth largest October snow cover extent in the 45-year period of record.

Gail Combs

mitigatedsceptic says:
November 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm
….They will still be trying to stop carbon emissions when they are skating on the Thames and the Rhine.It is reported that the consequences of winter of 1708-9 included 600,000 deaths in France alone from starvation by 1710.
What is to be done?
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The deaths have already started.
Hypothermia deaths double over five years
More than 2,500 people in England and Wales are likely to perish from cold in the week leading up to Christmas, experts said today… estimated 40,000 more people die between December and March
In 2008 there were food riots in over thirty countries.
If as some think we are headed into another ‘little Ice Age’ I would not want to be a professor sitting in a college in a big city when (Not if) the food riots start.
US Foodstamp Usage Rises To New Record High

… since December 2007, or the start of the Great Depression ver 2.0, the number of jobs lost is 4.5 million, while those added to foodstamps and disability rolls, has increased by a unprecedented 21 million. Oh and about $7 or $8 trillion in debt. Who’s counting really.
And this is the real and only key economic statistic of today that nobody wants to talk about, because it is equally the fault of both parties….

According to Shadow Statistics the real unemployment rate rose from ~21% to 23% since Obama took office. But that is alright Obama is going to give us Obamacare, remove all those pesky Coal plants and tax us some more.
Even worse Something unimaginable has taken place in the US where a handful of soldiers tried to stage a coup in the US.
I am not sure the Ivory Tower types realize they are playing with fire when they move people out of their comfort zone into third world conditions for a trumped up reason.

Hoser

If you want to stay true to español, try Las Niñas, Los Niños, and Las Nadas.
The other side already pulled a CYA by saying there could be a cooling period after which the climate would rapidly shift back to the predicted behavior according to models. Thus, they gave themselves another decade or two of wiggle room. Except, the public will not buy it.
Indeed, energy is the central factor driving our opportunities for the future. It is incorrect to say we are running out of energy. We have many centuries of fuel in hand now.
The very important point made about birth rates should not be overlooked. LIfe on the planet will be better with a high per capita energy consumption economy. Think Star Trek. That’s sooo much better than the Tijuana life world-wide. The other side tries to sell a Little-House-on-the-Prairie mythical future of low per capita energy consumption. Well, here’s that little house:
http://www.kansastravel.org/littlehouseontheprairie.htm
Now tell me that’s where you really want to live.

Gail Combs

OssQss says:
November 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I have a simple question.
What is the level of accuracy (confidence level as a %) for the global temperature used for 1860 in the various data sets?
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A.J. Strata has done that analysis. link