Sigh. This is so bad… it’s funny. For the record, it is now official; Chris Mooney is a paid political hack disguising himself as a science writer. I’m going back to calling him a “kid blogger”, because no adult could have thought processes that give conclusions like this.
Chris Mooney | The Politics of Ice and Fire
The time to act on global warming is clearly now—right now. In a sane world, Congress would immediately take up carbon cap legislation, and President Obama would be giving a big speech on the issue—and pressing Mitt Romney to explain why he flip-flopped into climate skeptic land, moving in precisely the wrong direction on one of the most important issues to afflict humanity.
Moreover, President Obama would recognize this as a smart political move, because the hard-core deniers notwithstanding, public opinion on global warming follows the weather. It always does. Now, with the whole country wondering about the sweltering heat, about the wildfires and the derecho and the destruction, people are more than ready to hear that, yes, this is global warming, and yes, something has to be done about it.
And yet still, it is not happening.
I cannot overemphasize how dramatic a missed opportunity this is—because we know that even against the backdrop of an overall warming trend, the weather is extremely fickle, and so is public opinion. In late 2009, the year of ClimateGate, and then in early 2010 (of “Snowmageddon” fame), public doubts about climate change increased in association with winter weather—and that could happen once again as soon as the end of this year.
h/t to Tom Nelson
I find it amazing that Mooney can’t even do basic research on the derecho, like I did. 30 seconds with Google and he’d know that it wasn’t anything to do with global warming and according to NOAA’s SPC, that the Washington DC area and much of the eastern seaboard gets one about every four years:
So, why all the fuss over last weeks storm? Because it didn’t hit flyover country.
It hit the center of defective thinking, Washington DC. Hyperbolic ground zero.
I suppose though if you are a “hard core” fake science writer, you don’t look for such things. Somebody should take Mooney’s blogging computer away from him before he hurts somebody with it.
Kid Blogger. Indeed. In lockstep, epistemologically, with Moonies from another time. Take me back to Barrytown.
RE: [The Carbon Tax starts down under] Spector (July 3, 2012 at 9:58 pm)
“… Of course, a dead horse.”
ROFLMAO…. he is an intellectual toddler. A logic-impaired moron.
Chris Mooney’s War on Science.
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I feel so “afflicted”. Idiot!
Chris could be reporting some really big news with all the different conditions going on throughout the planet such as:
http://www.wunderground.com/global/AA.html
This is your brain.
This is your brain on drugs.
This is your brain on global warming.
Any difference?
The DeSmogBlog project claims to be “the world’s number one source for accurate, fact based information regarding global warming misinformation campaigns.” . So they wouldn’t publish his article if it wasn’t thoroughly reliable and accurate. Any way, he looks such a nice sweet guy, we can be sure he wouldn’t deliberately mislead. But naïveté is possible. (hey, my iPad automatically put in the accents!)
He must be a Visual Basic programmer to enjoy repeatedly shooting himself in the foot like this . Still, I say long may he continue writing his diatribes: he undoubtedly has his followers, and they love this stuff. Everybody else will carry on regardless of his content-free ramblings.
Ya suppose that Chris reads WUWT?
Hey Chris!
If global warming is such a winning issue as you claim, then why do you suppose Obama isn’t seizing the opportunity to jump all over it? Is he too stupid to see the opportunity? Maybe he hasn’t been paying attention to the news and doesn’t know about the heat wave and the wild fires? C’mon Chris, you must be able to come up with some explanation as to why Obama is no longer beating the global warming drum at every opportunity? What’s changed?
If he ever found out he was made of Carbon and Oxygen, I’m sure he’d faint from fear of himself.
Who is this guy and why are you giving him pub?
Anthony, you got it in 30 seconds because of your base of knowledge and what questions to ask.
Greg Cavanagh says:
July 5, 2012 at 10:46 pm
If he ever found out he was made of Carbon and Oxygen, I’m sure he’d faint from fear of himself.
>>>>>>
Nah. He’s a whacko. I’d go with spontaneous human combustion.
When I read this on Desmog, I thought he sounded just like a little Joe Romm jr in training.
Who knows, maybe he’s worried his stupid books won’t sell if CAGW goes off the map completely.
This is funny, Chris Mooney demonstrates he’s as intellectually vacant as the rest of the lunatics. And, he demonstrates the willful ignorance of the leftists with such advocacy. I had the occasion to converse with another fellow who was stating the time was short, that we had to do something now else it will be too late. Now, I’ve never seen a definite measure of what is too late. But, given the 350. org, I’ll assume they mean to quickly decrease the atmospheric CO2 and that the doubling of the mythical 280ppm is well beyond some imaginary tipping point. It is fascinating that these intellectual giants such as Mooney have never investigated as to whether or not it could be a reality to limit the atmospheric CO2 with their proposed solutions to what they may consider a safe point. This was my response to the fellow I was conversing with. Sorry about the length, again. The italics mark the beginning and end of my comment at that forum.
Dallas, I hope you’re sitting down when you read this….. it isn’t just late in the day, that time has passed. And it passed several years ago. Rio+20 demonstrated this. I’ll try to explain….
First of all, as all can agree, if man is the cause of the increase of CO2, then it would take a globally unified effort to decrease it… or even keep it static. But, we won’t. At least not in the next several years. But, even if we did suddenly decide to start doing something about rising CO2 levels today, if the world stood up in a unified voice and stated, we’re going to start doing the things necessary to bring down atmospheric CO2, we’d still have CO2 exceed the magical 560ppm.
A recent study demonstrates that if we converted every electric gen plant to wind or solar PV, we’d still get a CO2 rise of ~ 50ppm over the next 100 years. This is because of the duration of CO2 and the fact that building the things emit CO2, and takes a lot of time. But, that’s only part of the solution. We’d still need to convert transportation, heating, and cooking. Of course, theoretically, we could use the renewables for most of this, but, then the conversion process takes much longer and so we’d probably see an increase closer to 100ppm. Even still, there has been no viable solution to the transport of goods via shipping, rail, and flight, so assuming some magical solution soon, we’re looking at further increases. Now probably closer to 125ppm.
But, all of this makes some fantastic assumptions. For instance, large electrical storage hasn’t been solved. And, of course, this is all predicated on the world having enough wealth to manufacture all of these things for everyone. AND, it assumes it can facilitate the needs. This, of course, would be a challenge. It has not been demonstrated that wind and solar can maintain well enough to facilitate mass production plants and commercial needs. This is required to effect the changes. In order to achieve these goals, wealth can’t simply be maintained, it has to grow in order to facilitate all of this conversion. Given the recent experiences of Italy, Spain, and even Germany, we see that the current approaches are severely lacking and very limited in the scale necessary.
Now, this brings me to one of my biggest peeves. The advocacy of the climate catastrophes have been the largest obstacle in finding an alternative energy source. They’re locked in their thinking and their near universal insistence to pursue technologies which can’t possibly work. They keep pretending that wind and solar electric gen are new tech. The first wind gen was made 125 years ago. It has the same problem now as it did then. We can’t store AC power and we don’t have storage technology to scale necessary for DC power. It is most likely that there’s another solution out there. But, we’ll never find it if all of our focus, funding, and research is wasted towards impossible technologies. If we let things naturally progress, it’s likely we’d find a workable technology within 50 years. History tells us this. But, we’ve wasted the better part of 30 years pursuing known failed solutions.
The reality is, given the challenges I’ve listed and others that I have not, we’re going to see atmospheric CO2 rise in excess of well over 600ppm even if we all agreed to “do something” about it. The physical constraints of time and scale dictate this. Socioeconomic and geopolitical realities push the rise even further.
Dallas, I understand your beliefs, but if its any consolation, a look back to when the alarms were first raised by Hansen et al, even then it was too late to do anything about it. Even if one believes the catastrophic change meme, the best course of action is to let nature take its course. The very advocacy of climate change has hindered the discovery of a viable solution.
Sit back, enjoy the ride. Breath deep that fresh air we call Freedom! Break free from the shackles of menacing ideas and understand that there is a higher purpose for humanity than simple security. Understand that it is our struggles which make humanity better and stronger. Embrace the notions of our forefathers. Humanity was never meant to be chained to the idea of accepting our limitations. It isn’t our destination which makes life worth living, it is that path we choose that does so. Global unanimity is oppression. Choice is Liberty. God Bless and Happy Fourth of July.
The study referenced is here….. http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014019/article#fnref-erl410200bib5
All of these allegedly super smart sciency guys and they’ve never investigated whether or not their advocacy had any relation to reality or not. The fact is, the question of if they’re right has become irrelevant.(they’re not) This was by their own hand. What I propose now, is that a bunch of us fellows and ladies, create a database of lunatics like Mooney and Romm and Masters, and the rest. As each milestone is past, we should publicly mock them. Tweet, post, what ever. 400ppm …. laugh at them and say, “we’re still here you bunch of Malthusian Luddites!” 425ppm…. Nothing unusual has happened…”we’re still here you totalitarian Marxists!” Hand the database to our children and their children until the last of the alarmists have either died or faded into scorn and then obscurity.
Global warming hit Yunta, South Australia last night – MINUS 7.5C, the lowest overnight temp for 30 years.
Julia(r)’s carbon tax is working already and we’re only 6 days into saving the World.
“…public opinion on global warming follows the weather”
While it’s clearly sweltering in the US, it’s been a really cool damp summer in the UK, with June being the wettest for 100 years.
So using Mr Mooney’s logic; we should not act on global warming, we should not take up carbon cap legislation, we don’t need a speech from Obama or explanation from Romney, and we are moving in precisely the right direction.
Chris Mooney is the Ann Coulter of the left. His book “The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science–and Reality” is ridiculous.
Who is “Chris Mooney” and why should anyone worry a toss about what he says he thinks? Nobody the eastern side of “The Pond” has ever heard of him so he seems to be nothing more than “a legend in his own lunchtime.”
Why waste time on him?
Actually, I love to see Mooney and others like him in the public eye. Just spending a few seconds reading his drivel or watching him on TV as I did recently, demonstrates a strong correlation between their cultist views and psychopathy. Keep on truckin’ Kid, and watch the public leave you in droves.
Anthony,
No, he’s saying he doesn’t care. People are more likely to believe AGW alarmism when it’s hot. That’s all that matters.
Moony who?
Check out the weather in the UK today… Its raining so it must be global warming.
Oh .. there is also anuuder danger from GW triffids from Africa.
http://www.bik-f.de/root/index.php?page_id=154
Only a greeny can see the dark side of extra tree growth/primary production.
Elftone:
And whats this ? A visual Basic programmer shooting himself in the foot …repeatedly ?
Some of us have no choice.:-(
He’s worse than we thought !!
Anthony, I have to say that’s stooping pretty low…putting that picture of the guy at the top of the piece…some things are best left to the imagination!
He doesn’t even seem to have got the directive to call it “climate change” rather than “global warming.” Another one of their self-appointed spokesmen, whose rank stupidity is a positive asset for us.
Pointman
Now, now, Anthony, don’t you think this is a bit harsh? (tongue in cheek here) I know of one or two eminent (sic) scientists who think that Chris Mooney is some genius of climate communications, or “fantastic” as they say below! [I hope this is not OT even if a bit of a tangent, since it illustrates the close convergence between propagandists like Mooney and the more activist members of the “climate scientist” community worldwide] Excerpts from a couple of comments and links I posted at Bishop Hill when the Gergis et al (2012) paper imploded a few weeks ago:
re: Gergis and Chris Mooney…. This is (unintentionally) quite funny! Gergis writes in March 2010 for a university audience about the “guerilla war” over climate policy (embracing Chris Mooney’s account). She provides with obvious approval what seems to be her paraphrase of remarks by Mooney: “Most people know how easy it is to click the ‘publish’ button on a blog, but in reality, very few know the rigours of publishing evidence-based science in the peer-reviewed literature.”
Bishop Hill thread on Gergis et al 2010
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Joelle Gergis [hearts] Chris Mooney, 2010
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[ME: I keep seeing these gems that show how “politicized” her own agenda is…. Is she more activist or scientist? This is a different version of her thoughts after that “Science Meets Parliament 2010” and here she fervently embraces the Chris Mooney/Michael Mann “guerrilla war” and “asymmetric warfare” narratives. In fact she thinks the talk she heard by Mooney was “fantastic” so we don’t need to worry that we are misunderstanding the fervor of her commitment to upholding the CAGW narrative in a guerrilla war against “well orchestrated” critics ….]
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Joelle Gergis and Allie Gallant think Chris Mooney is “fantastic”
The real problem is that there are still far too many people out there who believe this kind of rubbish, and until MSM start to do their job properly that state of affairs will remain.
Perhaps Americans do not see this anymore but Europeans the better, this kind of tooth paste advertisements. Anthony, you don’t live far from Hollywood. Get some nice looking boys and girls for your site, showing their teeth and telling the world that they are happy skeptics.
Chris who?
Well my latest e-mail newsletter from John Key; NZ Prime Minister, talks about NZ meeting its committments to the global community on carbon footprints. But he mentions that it was a big imposition on Kiwi folk, and they had cut it back a bit.
I tried to tell him a couple of years ago, that NZ could do the world community a favor by simply telling them to shove it, and not be brow beaten by the propaganda.
Well he did run it by his top science advisor, who unfortunately is some Lord somebody (but evidently a scientist of some repute) and the chap stuck to the party line that MMGWCCC is a proven fact. Can’t blame the PM for taking the advice of his well credentialled science advisor.
But NZ (Ausland too) can ill afford to go along with such imagined catastrophe propaganda.
Well I tried. I got a distinctly less convinced reaction from the science folks, including climate guys at UofA back in March, but I’m sure they too see the academic sword of Damocles over them and their careers.
By the way; who the hell is Chris Mooney; izzat some scientist I am supposed to recognize either by sight or name ?
You could 50 post like this daily, on both sides of this debate. Why is this worthy of a post? If it is, describe why, so we have the context. If not, move on and talk Livingston and Penn effect.
“And yet still, it is not happening.” <-global warming 😉
“John Trigge (in Oz) says:
July 5, 2012 at 11:06 pm”
And on the 7th day she rested…
Never herd of him, but he will grow out of his adolescent ‘I can change the world’ fixations.
Pointman
If it catches your interest I would love to know what you think of the Gergis/Gallant lovefest with Chris Mooney at Canberra in 2010 (see quotes and links I posted above). I know you are just the person to provide the context of what Chris Mooney was doing in Canberra, how his style of propaganda compares to what’s gone on in Australia in recent years, etc.
Never heard of him, but he will grow out of his adolescent ‘I can change the world’ fixation.
Wikipedia page:
“He received his B.A. in English from Yale University in 1999, and has been a member of the board of the American Geophysical Union since November 2010”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mooney_(journalist)
More on Mooney
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2010/2010-39.shtml
sigh……. Chris Mooney (B.A., English, 1999) qualifies to be on the Board of the illustrious American Geophysical Union because….. what? He’s written some propaganda propounding a left-wing activist’s view of influencing the public and policy makers??
At least the AGU has a distinguished ethics panel which can assess with objective rigor the quality of propaganda being disseminated by “climate communicators”…… OOPS, that was a Gleickian moment:
Chris Mooney appointed to the Board of the American Geophysical Union
Peter Gleick’s leadership: AGU’s new task force on scientific ethics and integrity begins work
The guy has a BA in English. Why is he writing on science matters? Oh wait, I forgot, modern “journalism”. And then modern “journalists” wonder why, for example in Germany, the subscription numbers for newspapers are dropping. This has turned almost into a crisis, with some papers openly demanding a tax so that they can survive. Seems that the people are slowly waking up.
I’m going to show this a friend of mine. She will have a field day.
I have to agree with Pointman,
Mooney and fellow alarmist groupies of this deluded self persuasion, more than just help along the realists and aid the true scientists’ case. If, he were capable of cogent thought [too big an if – for Mooney] – he’d be holding his head in his hands right now – for scoring ‘another own goal’.
“I cannot overemphasize how
dramatic a missed opportunityhuge a drama queenthis isI am…”FIFY.
Mooney also has form in the atheist community as a diehard accommodationist: he has taken money from the Templeton Foundation and regularly bleats about how we should be nice to theists and pretend that their views can be reconciled with science. I think ‘kid self-promoter’ might be a more accurate term.
Thank you
John Trigge (in Oz) says:
July 5, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Global warming hit Yunta, South Australia last night – MINUS 7.5C, the lowest overnight temp for 30 years.
Julia(r)’s carbon tax is working already and we’re only 6 days into saving the World.
I had finished my mug of tea when I read the above so it didn’t end up on the keyboard and monitor.
James Bull
Chrfis is just a Rahm Emmanuel wanna be, asking Obama not to waste a crisis. BHO has already shot his was with stimulus and ACA. What with the latter being called a tax by SCOTUS. Another tax not happening at least till 2014
It has only ever been about power and control.
That’s why the hue and cry never change substantially, they just adjust to the details or ignore them.
If Obama were to bring up “fires,” Republicans would bring up the canceled Forest Service tanker contract and ask questions. (They might also point out similarities to the skulduggery around Obama’s Gulf Spill behavior.) His advisers are aware of this potential counterpunch, and have probably decided it’s not worth it, especially since he doesn’t need popular backing for any legislative measure he has in the wings–there isn’t one. He’s letting the EPA, plus the economic recession, plus shale gas, do his work for him.
Mr Mooney. May consider saving the planet by issuing less fertiliser via firruginous coloured comment.
Remindsushow many years when its been a case of ‘ the time to do something is now or its to late ‘
should we not have been ‘to late ‘ many times over by now or is it like the rapture always ‘going ‘ to happen tomorrow?
Roy Spenser nailed it, it happened in DC not some remote outpost in fly-over country. In my area of Richmond we had a number of big (3-4′ diameter) oaks go down, power outages and the like. Home Depot and Lowe’s had the generators and chain saws out. Washington is 90 miles and a world away, but the damage looked worse and the power outages during high temps to record heat made it worse. Lot’s of noise from pols throwing public hissy fits over how slow the utilities are in restoring power. Not much mention that West Virginia was hit a bit harder than DC. This is a situation made for warmest propaganda. I’m surprised we haven’t seen more.
Awww, but children are so cute before they learn the difference between Carbon, Carbon Monoxide and Carbon Dioxide.
Love the logic: Hurry and pass global warming legislation while it’s still hot and before it gets cold again.
Do these folks really think there’s legislation that will stop droughts, hot weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, derechoes, and every other inconvenient weather event?
Skiphil says:
July 6, 2012 at 12:39 am
(quoting Joelle Gergis): “In a recent interview Professor Michael Mann (co-creator of the ‘hockey stick’ temperature reconstruction) referred to the ‘asymmetric warfare’ between trained global warming contrarians and climate scientists as ‘literally like a battle between a Marine and a Cub Scout’.”
Not hardly, Mikey. A slugfest between a Marine and a mugger who jumped out of an alleyway and sucker-punched him would be a more apt description…
Edohiguma says:
July 6, 2012 at 1:28 am
The guy has a BA in English. Why is he writing on science matters?
“Creative Writing” is a required course for a BA — his side needs people who can make stuff up…
OT
July 5, 2012
MSG-3 successfully launched
At 23:36:07 CEST (18:36:07 Kourou time), MSG-3 was successfully launched from Kourou, Europe’s Spaceport in French Guiana, on an Ariane-5 launcher to replace the ageing Meteosat-8 and secure continuity of the operational services from the geostationary orbit.
http://www.eumetsat.int/Home/Main/News/Press_Releases/820605?l=en
Pointman says:
July 6, 2012 at 12:32 am
He doesn’t even seem to have got the directive to call it “climate change” rather than “global warming.”
He probably doesn’t think “climate change” carries the dramatic weight of “global warming”…
Why would anyone try to compare Chris Mooney to anything other than a cumquat or maybe a celery stick. Ann Coulter may be a flame thrower but she is funny and She usually makes sense.
Mooney: “.. one of the most important issues to afflict humanity…”
Issue afflicting humanity? There’s something wrong here, some syntactical confusion. Maybe someone can parse this for us?
You understand, don’t you Fred, that we’re guests here and that it’s Anthony’s blog? We have no standing for saying he shouldn’t write about a given topic unless it meets our criteria. And we certainly have no justification for being rude to him.
WOW! He has a BA in English – clearly someone we should go to for science advise.
When did AGU cease to be a science org?
Its sad that the world has changed so much in my life time[ 68 years] my grand kids will grow up in a world you will not believe, if we let all the rat bags take control GOD HELP THEM
S Basinger says:
July 5, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Chris Mooney is the Ann Coulter of the left.
Ann Coulter is intelligent, witty, cute, blonde, and a lawyer.
Chris Mooney ain’t.
I read his post differently. I don’t see him arguing any facts or positing any truths. All I read is that he is urging his movement take advantage of the ignorance of the plebs and their conflation of weather and climate to make a push for his political goals. Once the weather cools again, they will have lost that advantage.
I see an overt call for cynical political manipulation. I read no claims to science or facts of any kind. I definitely see business as usual. Be careful how black your pot is before calling out his kettle.
Oh yes, that’s right. Every four years 3.5 million Americans go without electricity for a couple of weeks during record hot temperatures and an early summer heat wave. Regular as clockwork. Look it up – it only takes 30 seconds to Google.
(Don’t know what all the fuss is about. As everyone keeps saying, humans are adaptable. We’ll soon learn how to adapt to life without electricity during 120 degree summers.)
Frame Mooney’s piece and hang it on the wall as a horrible reminder of a brain not fit for use as a doorstop.
Anthony, I wonder if these extreme temps are really measuring the air temperature or if they’re being thermally effected by the dry grasses. I was taking some readings with my IR thermometer the other day when air temps were around 93 degrees. I got a reading of 124 on the cement, but more surprisingly was the 111 on the grass! And it had just rained heavily the previous night, so the ground was still moist. I bet if it hadn’t rained, the ground temperature would have been even higher. I know you’ve shown that cement can effect temperature readings, but when the grass is nearly as hot, I would think it could effect readings too. I think NOAA should require the grounds near the temperature sensors to be irrigated to minimize ground-induced thermal interference.
Boy, did I lose the plot. When I got down to the bottom and read
I started thinking another warm fall and low heating cost winter would be nice, what’s his problem?
Then I realized he was talking about gaining attention:
I think I stopped reading closely half way down. Oh well, busy day coming up.
Perhaps if the media had shown more responsiblilty and the warmist camp less political dysfunction people might still be interested in the discussion.
What is it with these people and Carbon Cap Legislation?
That simply doesn’t work. It won’t solve the reduction in greenhouse gases. Especially CO2.
Mooney has made a career of profiting from standing on piles of human corpses, killed by a hurricane or some other disaster, and using them (figuratively) as his dais to proclaim the truth of his political position. The fact that he is disappointed that others aren’t willing to join him in never letting a good disaster go to waste is just Chris being true to form.
–“The Intersection” at Discover magazine which covers science’s interactions with politics and other realms.
His specialty is merging the natural sciences and the social sciences. That’s a big deal and consistent with that internship with MIT that has a human society/natural systems simulation that, of course, only works if education can be used to changes human attitudes and values so that human behaviors are predictable.
The education model that tries to create that predictable human behavior by stressing a new “caring economics” also seeks to merge the physical and social sciences. The idea is that everything should “emphasize our interconnection with other people and nature.”
What Mooney is doing is trying to create an emotional sense that human behavior and current consumer values are causing these acute weather events and we thus need new values and attitudes. Because this weakening of natural science instruction goes back to the 90s and the AAAS Project 2061 there are plenty of people who are ignorant about genuine science and susceptible to visual imagery and emotion on this issue. That’s what the English major gets used for. To select emotive language that will stir feelings to impel action.
There’s even a term for that readiness to act– conative learning.
Mooney knows what he is doing and how it plays into consciously created pressure points in young people and young adults. That interconnection quote was from a book written about the time he graduated from Yale when it still looked like Clinton would get all the elements of radical ed reform in place in the US.
And Gore would put the rest in place. Instead it had to wait for Obama and that very expensive 2009 Stimulus Act.
Don’t worry about the warmistas, they’ve already started running toward “Climate Change,” as we all know. Colder is climate change too. They’ll just trump up some “peer reviewed” data showing it was all mankind’s fault anyway. Chris will be out in front cheering them on.
Watch the increasing number of “aerosol papers” coming out. That’s their ace in the hole.
I have heard stories from both of my parents about the 1930’s in NE Oreon and NW Kansas.
Both from Ranching/Farmig families. It was far worse than now. Far worse. Here’s a bit
about the Tillamook Burn. -In 1933 before there were Airtankers, Helicopters, and Smokejumpers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tillamook_Burn
Of course there are few corrleations to now (s)..
The problem is people like mooney either ignore or do not know history…
Why would it be good politics for Obama to try to push through Carbon-cap legislation now?
It’s guaranteed to cost him 10 points in the polls never mind the fact that one could paint him as not caring about the economy (another 5 points).
In other words, Mooney is not a political genius either.
It is very telling that he was appointed to the board of AGU. We know for sure that left-wing warmists dominate the organization now while it used to be, not surprisingly, dominated by geologists.
James Sexton says:
July 5, 2012 at 11:06 pm
The left loves wind turbines for quite a while now.
http://virtualology.com/hallofforeignwars/VLADIMIRILYICHLENIN.COM/
Anthony – you are missing Chris’s point. The truth is not relevant. Whether is derecho has anything to do with MMGW is not important. It is the opportunity (or lost opportunity) to make political capital out of it that he is discussing.
AGW is fast becoming this Century’s ‘Big Lie’.
@ George E. Smith:
The ‘science advisor’ you refer to is Sir Peter Gluckman, who is in fact a medical doctor (pediatrics) and is therefore no more qualified to assess the so-called climate science than any of us.
“Gee Mr Mooney, We All Need a Lobotomy” was my reply to previous outbursts from this Looney Mooney and posted at Climate Depot on July 13, 2009. Chrissy, and fellow Disney faux science spokesmouth Billy Nye, are a clear and present danger to the younger and more sensitive members of the viewing audience…..viewer discretion is advised.
No, the time to laugh at you is now – right now. Ha, ha, ha.
Yes Mooney, it has been doing that since the mid-1800s. Sea level has been rising since the end of the last ice age and now at a flattening rate. It’s worse than we thought!
When you admit the fact that it’s going to take a gimmick to get your agenda implemented, you undermine your case. These kinds of outbursts do their side no good at all. Keep them coming.
Why does he remind me of boy scientist in training Chris Colose? They’re the Hanz and Franz of climate science: “We’re going to make s**t up!” With “girlie science” one can only presume.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_and_Franz
Robbie says:
July 6, 2012 at 5:40 am
What is it with these people and Carbon Cap Legislation?
That simply doesn’t work. It won’t solve the reduction in greenhouse gases.
Cap ‘n’ Trade legislation only has one intent — to create an additional source of tax revenue.
Anyone who tells you different is a liar.
Well, one thing to learn from Mr. Mooney is that the kind of alarmism he rehearsing never dies. There’s a new crusade and new crusader born every minute. These days, a cacophany of baby talk, amplified by forums and blogs, allows us to witness the “maturing” of our youth from “childish” agitators to politically savy opportunists, ready to seize the moment to manipulate the masses.
The desire to change things – anything – is natural to young people, and is nurtured, along with an unnatural sense of guilt by other agitated members of the global village. Teachers and parents have a lot to do with putting a burr under the saddle of young people as part of their “education”. How many warmist have we seen who conflate the notion of public service with a serious deconstruction of society?
Anything, after all, is better than the staid “complacency” of our forebears.
Mr. Mooney shrewdly points out that his moment is at hand, and only the ignorant masses with their dysfunctional leaders prevents a coup resulting in unprecedented social change, which of course, he will dictate. Since our feckless attentions will soon be diverted, best to set this drama against the backdrop of the Colorado fires, derechos, and other ominous and exotic-sounding events, precisely because they are ephemeral. The fuel will be spent, the winds will die down, and then where will we be? Back to normal.
All this proves that the worries and fixations of modern youth are little differnt from those of the past. If Mr. Mooney wants to be the poster child for global warming – or any other hysteria – he’s going to have to out-Herod a chorus of Herods. Maybe that’s the point.
It is time to turn this war into a nuclear war. The only way we can save ourselves from carbon dioxide is to provide power from nuclear sources. Nuclear power will save us all. It is carbon free. Chris Mooney can use his B.A. in English to promote nuclear power and save the world. He will then have a value. His supporters will value his judgment as he holds a position on the board of the AGU. Most readers of WUWT will see what a joke it is for him to hold a position on the board of AGU. His followers will not.
DirkH says:
July 6, 2012 at 6:34 am
… The left loves wind turbines for quite a while now.
http://virtualology.com/hallofforeignwars/VLADIMIRILYICHLENIN.COM/
From now on I’m going to see every windmill as a little nod to Marxism!
Disappointing that you rely on the NOAA to make the point that some weather patterns have happened before (though not usually quite as bad).
NOAA is a warmist organisation. Can you trust anything it says?
REPLY: The Palmer Drought Index doesn’t go through the adjustment gyrations of USHCN/GHCN and if its wrong, they’ll hear about it from the farmers, the state experiment stations, and the Ag COOP organizations as well as the futures speculators. So, yes, I do trust this particular dataset. – Anthony
Billy Liar says:
July 6, 2012 at 8:54 am
“From now on I’m going to see every windmill as a little nod to Marxism!”
That is very likely correct. The German feed in tariff system was designed by the Greens, and the leadership of that party was in various small c0mmunist parties in the 70ies before they recognized they could politicize the masses better by infiltrating the anti nuclear movement, which had mass appeal.
I think they intentionally designed the renewables feed-in law in all its nonfunctional glory to destroy the energy market. When you manage to make energy scarse, you bring down the country. Create and exploit a crisis. Blame evil capitalism for increasing prices when in fact it’s your own law that makes energy – and therefore all goods – expensive. Ramp up the pressure until something breaks.
From the Washington Post’s http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/global-warming-no-longer-americans-top-environmental-concern-poll-finds/2012/07/02/gJQAs9IHJW_story.html in part:
h/t to Pierre Gosselin’s http://notrickszone.com/2012/07/06/wapos-juliet-eilperin-climate-change-no-longer-no-1-environmental-issue-number-of-concerned-americans-cut-in-half/
Obama needs to be careful or people might recognize how easily the rest of us are getting along with DC closed down.
Maybe less so. My own experience is that doctors, as a class, are unusually subject to acquiring a God complex. Perhaps when you routinely have people’s lives in your hands, supreme confidence in your judgement is necessary to prevent “paralysis by analysis”. It can, however, lead one to believe they know more than they do and not even consider the possibility they are wrong. A little humility goes a long way in the search for knowledge.
DirkH says: “I think they intentionally designed the renewables feed-in law in all its nonfunctional glory to destroy the energy market.”
Yes, I agree. It is so designed that even 20% (by 2020) will have disastrous consequences for the energy sector. First, it introduces intermittent power sources which create price volitility and unreliable or unpredictable supply, esp. at times when power is needed most. And it is necessary to know costs before you produce anything.
It requires subsidies, and after that, the payments made to wind and solar owners are totally unaccountable and would require an enormous bureaucracy just to trace who was paid constraint payments, at what rates, and why. Was the wind in reality not blowing? Was the wind blowing too hard? Or did the constraint payment cover a peak hour? Why are constraint payments often made at several times the going rate for electricity?
The 20 by 20 is not an “all of the above” “free market solution” to ghg regulations. It will be sold that way but it is not. Romney is an investor in and proponent of renewables and ghg regs in policy and economically. Mandates are “good business” according to Romney.**
However, 20/20 is enough to introduce ruin to any nation’s economy.
**As governor his regional ghg agreement was his his cheif executive experience, along with Romneycare, a mandate to buy health insurance. Bain Capital’s specialty is coincidentally in health care.
“In a sane world” Mr Mooney writes, but unfortunately he’s a little bit too keen to pin the blame for natural phenomena on his favourite bogeyman. Had he done a quick Google he would have seen how common such weather events actually are. In a more primitive society he’d be one of the first to suggest throwing virgins into the volcano / pit / lake to placate his gods.
Journalistic FAIL. 1/10. Mooney. See teacher to arrange remedial classes in basic research.
“while whole country is sweltering”
Except for the regions that are not and that are setting record cold daily highs.
You can tell global warming has been thrown under the bus, and the skeptic vote is being courted, when you see quotes like this in the MSM.
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“This is how summer is supposed to feel,” Obama said, wiping sweat from his face as he campaigned under scorching sun for four more years in office.
Mike Bromley the Kurd says:
… In lockstep, epistemologically, with Moonies from another time. …
Mike, you seem to to little about the teachings of the Unification Movement. BTW, didn’t its enemies always remark how bright its members were?
Mark B says
July 6, 2012 at 10:22 am
“Obama needs to be careful or people might recognize how easily the rest of us are getting along with DC closed down.”
DC is closed down? I did not notice.
As for the global warming carbon stuff working in Australia after only 6 days, it reminded me to ask does Australia have a Supreme Court to strike down the law that prohibits merchants from blaming price rises on the carbon tax? And if you do have one, would they actually strike it? If they get away with that, the government will start to pass more and more laws like it until you can’t dissent about anything.
[SNIP: Not funny and not called for. -REP]
[SNIP: Not funny and not called for. -REP]
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Then I guess that you are not really familiar with Mooney’s fallacious and inflammatory writing full of hate speech against conservatives.
[REPLY: Too painfully aware. This comment, however, is much more acceptable… in fact, a little more bile along this line would have been perfectly acceptable. -REP]
Michelle Malkin is on this topic today, thankfully:
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/07/06/global-warming-blame-ologists-play-with-fire/
Marita Noon is the best columnist on global warming – true, she’s not as colloquial as Michell Malkin, but Marita Noon is always impeccably researched, linked, and clearly written:
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/maritanoon/
Hari Seldon says:
July 6, 2012 at 12:18 am
…Elftone:
And whats this ? A visual Basic programmer shooting himself in the foot …repeatedly ?
Some of us have no choice.:-(
I know! And some of us (me included) enjoy it 😀
http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~omri/Humor/shoot.html
I heard Chris Mooney speak at a Humanism conference in LA a couple of years back. He doesn’t understand the first thing about science itself, nor about how to think about scientific information. He’s confident in his beliefs, and casually throws around “denialist” and “denier,” as regards AGW.
The great irony is that the author of “The Republican War on Science” is a propaganda point-man for a war against science by Progressives, in the name of AGW, that has been more successful, more pernicious, and far more destructive than anything ever achieved by right-wing religious extremists (called “Republicans” in Mooney-world).
Both groups, Progressives and religious nut-cases, accept only the facts that are beneficial to their prior beliefs. All the rest are lies. Chris Mooney is of that ilk. It doesn’t take much work anymore to discover that AGW-science is a pastiche of incompetence and ideology. Don’t look for Mr. Mooney to ever figure that out.
Jon Jermey, nice site. I’ve bookmarked it. I agree with you about accomodationism. It never works with the ideologically relentless.
One of Mooney’s points regarding how those with the Republican brain think about subjects is the cognitive necessity to ignore or discount that which contradicts their points. A destructive derecho fueled by extraordinary high temperature differential? It happens every four years or so around here. NEVER MIND that it was one of the most powerful derechos ever recorded in the Mid-Atlantic, causing more destruction than anything other than a hurricane, according to the Governor of Virginia. The massive heat wave? Heat waves happen all the time, it’s natural variability. NEVER MIND that all-time high temperature records are being set (as for last year in Oklahoma and Texas), not just daily temperature records. NEVER MIND the increasing ratio difference between record highs and record lows. Temperature stations are sited incorrectly, or increasing trends are caused by ‘urban heat islands’? Of course that makes sense. NEVER MIND that phenologic data of numerous kinds show earlier springs and later autumns, the behavior of numerous animal species is changing, or species are declining, in directions consistent with climate warming. The massive fires out West, last summer and this? No big deal, summer is fire season. NEVER MIND that pine bark beetles are ravaging higher altitude forests, creating optimum fuel conditions under dry weather, and also causing soil erosion and water loss in the Southwest as pinyon pine and juniper die off. The decline in sea ice extent in the Arctic? Let’s hang on to the hope that the extent won’t go below the minimum of 2007. NEVER MIND that the sea ice volume is at all time lows, as is multi-year ice.
That’s what many of the discussions at this site amount to — cognitive reassurance for those who need to know that NEVER MIND is a way of dealing with a reality that they can’t deal with.
As for this post: NEVER MIND. It’s meaningless, because all the trends that go against the necessary belief structures are meaningless to those who are cognitively unable to consider them.
Good luck with all that.
Regards,
Oakden
“””””…..D. J. Hawkins says:
July 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
TWE says:
July 6, 2012 at 6:43 am
@ George E. Smith:
The ‘science advisor’ you refer to is Sir Peter Gluckman, who is in fact a medical doctor (pediatrics) and is therefore no more qualified to assess the so-called climate science than any of us……”””””
Thank you for that clarification. I shall have to try and check back my e-mail to see whether it was Key, or perhaps Sir Peter, who actually responded to my suggestion that NZ, and Owstraylia, simply tell the Kyotociders to simply shove it, and lead the world out of the second dark ages. Now I’m thinking Sir Peter may have e-mailed me, not John Key.
Well the chief scientist of California’s CARB used to be a nurse I believe, so Sir Peter is clearly more on the ball, I would think.
Maybe as a Physicist, I could do my own brain transplant !
I think we need a “Summer is Coming!” poster featuring Sean Bean wearing a thong and wielding his new sword, Fire.
David L says:
July 6, 2012 at 3:58 am
Love the logic: Hurry and pass global warming legislation while it’s still hot and before it gets cold again.
Do these folks really think there’s legislation that will stop droughts, hot weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, derechoes, and every other inconvenient weather event?
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YES!
Some idiot Congressmen actually tried to legislate the value of pi and set it to equal three.
Indiana House Bill #246 of 1897 was introduced to the house by legislator Mr. Record, at the request of Dr. Edwin Goodwin of Posey County.
The opening statement of the bill:
After that I would believe anything of the dimwitted puppets we elect to office.
tango says:
July 6, 2012 at 4:51 am
Its sad that the world has changed so much in my life time[ 68 years] my grand kids will grow up in a world you will not believe, if we let all the rat bags take control GOD HELP THEM
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Of late I have given thanks I had no children but I hate the fact that this is the world we are giving to my nieces and nephews and their children.
Bill Illis says:
July 6, 2012 at 6:18 am
Why would it be good politics for Obama to try to push through Carbon-cap legislation now?
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Not now but in late November AFTER the elections. That is what they did with the much hated Food “Safety” Modernization Act of 2010. Push it through during the lame duck session and hope everyone forgets who did what four years from nowand are resigned to the much lower standard of living, black outs and working three jobs… IF you can get them.
“I find it amazing that Mooney can’t even do basic research on the derecho, like I did. 30 seconds with Google and he’d know that it wasn’t anything to do with global warming”
Well, to be fair, he did write Storm World on the topic, which was recognized by the American Meteorological Society.