Brad Johnson’s (formerly of Climate Progress, now of “Forecast the Facts”) “Rally Against Corporate Climate Deniers” was a great bit of entertainment for many at the Heartland conference yesterday. I was in session, and couldn’t attend, but I heard about the guy wearing a rubber boot on his head with the bullhorn (Vermin Supreme who ran for president and campaigned in 2012 on a platform of zombie apocalypse awareness and time travel research and he promises a free pony for every American.). I heard about this guy from Lucia, who was there and promises has an update on her blog. I hear she has some video of the cops intervening.
It may be the “boot” was parodying the fact that Brad Johnson seems to have “gotten the boot” from the Center for American Progress/Think Progress, as he no longer seems to be associated or publishing his rants there. Maybe it was the repeated suggestions that tornadoes were retributions for a conservative voting record that did it.
This “protest” he staged is hilarious on so many levels for the sheer FAIL on display. He couldn’t even pull off a decent protest. Kid’s today are nothing like their radical parents of the 60’s. Pictures follow.
From Tom Nelson:
From Brad Johnson’s “Rally Against Corporate Climate Deniers” photos here:
Although the “boot on the head” guy was arguably the most prominent figure at the protest, Johnson didn’t publish any individual shots of him. I wonder why? Note that the boot is visible at left in the group picture above.
Today’s (yesterday’s) sparsely-attended climate hoax activist protest in Chicago
One of the loudest protesters was the guy who wore a rubber boot on his head for some unexplained reason. His bullhorn was labeled “Vermin Supreme”.
A banner was evidently supposed to be dramatically unfurled, but I don’t think anyone could read it:
This woman was pedaling around a planet-saving sign, with planet-killing bottled water within easy reach:
Sigh,,,, That’s what happens when you have Democrat-Complex media polluting those brains..
*sigh*
I simply don’t understand how an intelligent person would not look into this for themselves and realise that things were far less certain than they were told, nor keep up the pretense of such certitude. It’s not as if there’s aren’t dozens of weakpoints in the mainstream CAGW narrative…
The last scene in the video below is an excellent summary of what it is like to be a climate sceptic at a British university these days:
That’s worse than the Chico protest you photographed a year or so ago, Anthony.
You’d think that in Chicago they could buy as many Rent-a-Protesters as they needed to make their point, but nooooo…
Nice signs, so it looks like they only got maybe $500 or so to support their effort. Better luck next time.
If these jokers are any indication, it looks like “the consensus” on global warming is diminishing rather dramatically.
Boot on the head guy goes by the name of Vermin Supreme, and he’s actually currently running for president. He’s kind of a professional protester. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme
Vermin Supreme (and the boot on his head) was one of the more interesting candidates in the New Hampshire Presidential Primary.
Wikipedia thinks highly enough of him to offer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme – January 12, 2012: In the Democratic Primary in New Hampshire, Supreme received 833 votes. (Barack Obama won the primary with 49,080 votes)
His campaign page is at http://www.verminsupreme.com/ – Ride our Ponies into the Future.”
Sorry I missed it, sounds like a fine diversion. Just too many conflicts this year to get to the ICCC.
_That_ wound up in the spam bin! I wonder if that’s a name that is a WordPress trigger. Sigh.
Oh, the humanit…, er, hilarity!
It’s nice to have a little free entertainment to go along with the conference. And as for the boot, I suspect it was used to hide the guy’s pin-like head.
Ten years from now, such congeries of bumwads will be one with Nineveh and Tyre. Recall massive, full-sheeted KKK rallies in Washington, DC during the early 1920s, whereupon of a sudden the whole excrescent mass just bled away.
Love the signs, looks like they were homemade. 😉
Perhaps they were expecting rain for the day ?
“Stop Funding Lies”.
Directed at governments, since they’re the ones doing it, with many millions of times more funding than anyone.
Maybe he put the boot on his head because a consensus of global warming alarmists told him that was the level the water will rise to when his ice cream melts.
Is this the same Brad Johnson who has a blog devoted to defending and promoting Paul Krugman?
Eugen Grimminger, Stop Funding Lies!
OOPS …..
Eugen Grimminger, Stop Funding Lies!
/sarc
dropdeniers.org, registered 2012-05-12 – seems like they’d been planning this for a long time.
Who can possibly argue with such a well-organized effort.
Pretty bad when the logo of the company they’re protesting against is larger than the message they’re trying to make. People probably saw the large Microsoft, Pfizer, and Comcast billboards as ads, and ignored them.
But in digging, there’s more:
Apparently, both Al Gore and Forecast the Facts put up their own billboards, and those dropdeniers billboards may see a legal challenge:
“…Now, Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project has sponsored its own digital billboard as a response to Heartland’s provocative stint. The New York Times’ Green blog reports the billboard, managed by Clear Channel, states “Who to believe on climate? Heartland … or EVERY National Scientific Academy in the world?” The Times reports Chief Executive of Climate Reality Project Maggie Fox saying the organization’s message serves as “a small reminder of who is really on the fringe.”
The Times also reports another group was vying for the position. Forecast the Facts came up with its own billboard, which Clear Channel decided it would not post for trademark reasons. This billboard said “We still support Climate Deniers. Do you?” and featured the pharmaceutical company Pfizer’s logo along with the amount of its donation to Heartland. Spokesperson for Clear Channel Jim Cullinan told the Times there are legal reasons regarding the use of the Pfizer logo that prevented that billboard from going up…”
Someone should send those protest pictures to Pfizer’s legal dept, and tell them they missed a few.
Don’t make Pfizer angry. You may not like what pops up….
That’s a hoot! If these people are representative of what’s left of the alarmist movement, it’s over.
Ha-ha. I would love to have heard the exchanges between Monckton and Morano and the Klimate Koolaid kids, whose level of “discourse” probably didn’t range much beyond “we’re trying to save the planet, you poopy-heads”!
When it comes to Brad Johnson, the word prat comes to mind.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/climate-alarmism-and-the-prat-principle/
Pointman
All I could get from your video was an advert for Lincoln Universtiy (UK) which, in my view is a polytechnic not a university. They seem to be good at Media Studies and Psychology. Enough said.
I love Vermin Supreme! If elected, he promises “A pony in every garage”!!!! Come On! Who WOULDN’T vote for that!!!! 🙂
So did any of them make any well thought out points to discuss or where they just the usual probed by aliens types?
Looks like they spent all their energy in the signs and forgot to actually get people to turn up.
I wonder if Vermin Supreme is the same person who posts on here as Rattus Norvegicus?
You know, the one who seems to think they are actually a Norway Rat?
I remember when protesters had a cause worth opposing (war, particularly). This lot wants to declare war on all sorts of corporations that allow their feeble (-minded) schemes to be possible. Consider a society without medicine or computers, should they succeed.
The whole point of prodding ‘useful idiots’ to do the grunt work of ‘the revolution’ is they have to be ‘useful’. If the guy with the Wellington hairdo is the best (apparently) they can get they are going precisely nowhere. In Canada the Rhino Party ran wonderful campaigns filled with far better-than-usual BS promises that politicians are known for. I recall them promising that, if elected, they would annex Tahiti and give all Canadians a week of free vacation there each year.
I received a robo-call from the NDP lasts night promising to call again tonight at 7PM for a telephone-town-hall-meeting with their new leader Andrea Horwath. This is going to be interesting. If I get the chance, I will ask her if she is aware that just over the border, from 2015, new electricity generation is being contracted at 8 times the current price. What will she to do protect Ontario from the lunatic fringe opponents of conventional power generation? Energy poverty and all that.
They couldn’t get a rent-a-crowd because they were all taken or hung-over from the NATO protests. Besides those rent-a-crowds are getting expensive. It isn’t like the old days when they would do it for beer money. These are professional anarchists now with an organization and a union to support. /sarc (I love the idea of an anarchist union, but I don’t really think it has progressed quite that far yet!)
Given that this event seems to have attracted a booming crowd of TENs of participants the ratio of media observers appears to be quite large. Is there any information available on how many of these stalwart news gathers actually ventured into the conference itself. I would have thought that the world would be better served by being informed of the words of Anthony or Vaclav Klaus than this coffee klatch of fools, but than again I never went to journalism school so what do I know.
Today’s (yesterday’s) sparsely-attended climate hoax activist protest in Chicago …
And how many people are in attendance at the Heartland conference as compared to the previous one?
@Owen in GA says:
May 23, 2012 at 9:19 am
“They couldn’t get a rent-a-crowd because they were all taken or hung-over from the NATO protests. Besides those rent-a-crowds are getting expensive. It isn’t like the old days when they would do it for beer money. These are professional anarchists now with an organization and a union to support. /sarc (I love the idea of an anarchist union, but I don’t really think it has progressed quite that far yet!)“
LOL! Brilliant!
I’ve been trying to join the International Union of Anarchists but we can never agree on where to meet or at what time and no one will vote for anyone else to be President of the Union. Herding cats comes to mind…
R, Owen – you’re statements would be true if we were talking about real anarchists … BUT the current crop are just a bunch of losers who are using the movement as an excuse to riot, break things, and loot, if given the chance. I’m sure they are well organized and directed — it’s just that we can’t see it.
microsoft, comcast, pfizer? are they sponsors????????
“Marc Morano and Christopher Monckton take on “vermin supreme”
I don’t believe it. Neither Morano or Monckton had a bullhorn, so Vermin wouldn’t even have been able to hear them.
Phil C says:
May 23, 2012 at 10:43 am
“Today’s (yesterday’s) sparsely-attended climate hoax activist protest in Chicago …
And how many people are in attendance at the Heartland conference as compared to the previous one?”
How many ducks does it take to make a row?
@ H.R. “I’ve been trying to join the International Union of Anarchists but we can never agree on where to meet or at what time and no one will vote for anyone else to be President of the Union. Herding cats comes to mind…”
Lol! Actually, yes, that is funny. Would make a nice tee shirt, I think. 🙂
In all fairness to anarchists though, I have to remind folks that “Anarchy does not mean no rules — it means no rulers!” There is no reason in the world why anarchists could not form a Union of Anarchists, just as long as membership was voluntary and the union did not instigate violence against anyone
>That’s a hoot! If these people are representative of what’s left of the alarmist movement, it’s over.
No, it’s not over. These are just the useful idiot.
“…he promises a free pony for every American.”
Them’s good eatin’.
I just love the way these clowns judge Microsoft and Comcast as part and parcel of the skeptical side of this debate (hah!) because those companies offer certain discounts or services to 501c(3) groups and they refuse to illegally discriminate against some of these groups, like Heartland.
katabasis1 says:
May 23, 2012 at 6:28 am
“The last scene in the video below is an excellent summary of what it is like to be a climate sceptic at a British university these days:”
In Germany, the warmists are slower. More like Romero zombies. (Running zombies? Really? What were they thinking…)
mwhite says:
May 23, 2012 at 11:50 am
“microsoft, comcast, pfizer? are they sponsors????????”
Microsoft provides free office licenses to 10,000s of charities, so the warmists have used that to single them out. Microsoft didn’t even know what Heartland was about.
Crispin in Waterloo says:
May 23, 2012 at 8:52 am
“I remember when protesters had a cause worth opposing (war, particularly).”
Don’t know about your anti-war protesters but the German ones of the 70ies were controlled by the KGB and the Stasi. Their objective was to get nukes out of the whole of Europe which would have played into the hands of the Warsaw pact with its conventional superiority by numbers.
Jason Calley says:
May 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@ H.R. “I’ve been trying to join the International Union of Anarchists but we can never agree on where to meet or at what time and no one will vote for anyone else to be President of the Union. Herding cats comes to mind…
Lol! Actually, yes, that is funny. Would make a nice tee shirt, I think. 🙂
In all fairness to anarchists though, I have to remind folks that “Anarchy does not mean no rules — it means no rulers!” There is no reason in the world why anarchists could not form a Union of Anarchists, just as long as membership was voluntary and the union did not instigate violence against anyone
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But … wouldn’t the anarchists who make the rules be the rule makers? Isn’t that what rulers do?
AndrewWH says:
May 23, 2012 at 8:46 am
“I wonder if Vermin Supreme is the same person who posts on here as Rattus Norvegicus?
You know, the one who seems to think they are actually a Norway Rat?”
Even though it is called Rattus Norvegicus, it is not limited to Norway but just the usual rat in all countries. Comes from east asia originally and travels with humans. Rattus Rattus is smaller.
Size comparison:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comparison_Black_Rat_Brown_Rat_EN.svg
@Jason Calley
Yes but the nature of humanity is always to look for someone stronger to protect them from the storms. The problem comes when that stronger one wants something in return for their protection – namely your obedience! Anarchy would eventually lead to tyranny just as surely as socialism does. A true free enterprise system (unlike the crony capitalism we practice today) would be the only way to ensure the freedom of the individual. Of course there will still be those who would give up freedom for security, but in the end they will have neither as in the end, the slave must dance to the master’s tune.
I’d bet on the renegades. Any time there is such mainstream unanimity on a “right-thinking” issue like this, it’s likely overdone. (E.g., compare the fluoridation unanimity of 50 years ago vs. the even split today.)
Ten years from now, Heartland could quote that slogan, and append a riposte, “You should have trusted us!”
Ten years from now, people are going to think that 97% of climate scientists are full of it, and 100% of National Scientific Academies.
@DirkH
Most of the protesters in the US didn’t know it, but the money that supported their whole infrastructure in the 60’s and 70’s came from the KGB. The files on this at the FBI were as thick as the political acumen of most of the protesters. Of course, there are no laws in the US against foreigners funding charities, so the FBI only monitored and took action only when events crossed the line. Thing is most of the useful idiots grew out of it as they got older; Churchill’s observation about politics and age proved true and they became more conservative. A few, however, became true believers and are still out there trying to relive the halcyon days of the Weather Underground and the Students for a Democratic Society. I spoke to an old SDS true believer in the last year who still doesn’t want to admit that it was a KGB funded group. Of course he was one of the students at Berkeley back in the day and not anywhere near leadership, just another useful idiot to the cause. Though the true believers are now mostly college professors or professional agitators and have too much to lose to get on the actual protest lines – they are too valuable indoctrinating the next useful idiots.
I didn’t see cops intervening in anything. One assisted me when I jaywalked across Michigan avenue.
There was some discussion of the crucifix Monckton was wearing. I’d gauge it as smaller than the kind the nuns at my high school wore but larger than the jewelry type ones some girls I knew wore. (Sometimes these had been gifts for confirmation of first communion. Some guys wear these too. But in the majority of cases I am familiar with, the crosses are worn rather inconspicuously.)
I was a bit curious about the crucifix because I don’t remember Monckton wearing one before. I found an article that suggests the right to wear a crucifix to work has become something of an issue in the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9136191/Christians-have-no-right-to-wear-cross-at-work-says-Government.html
phil c~ Well we have heard about 57 no-shows. Cowards all, in my book.
… did I mention they were ALL warmists?
Otter writes:
Well we have heard about 57 no-shows. Cowards all, in my book.… did I mention they were ALL warmists?
From what I read elsewhere, Joe Bast announced that attendance was under 300 and there are no plans for another conference, and then made an appeal for money. Sounds like things aren’t going well for Bast and Heartland. Gee — if the “warmists” don’t come to the ICCC and the conference can’t go on without them, it kind of makes you wonder how few people out there actually see value in the ICCC.
This is no big secret: Rattus Norvegicus is an activist from Montana called John Sully.
Phil C says:
“And how many people are in attendance at the Heartland conference as compared to the previous one?”
I didn’t attend last year’s conference so I can’t compare numbers. But the dinners [which ranged up to $60] were pretty much filled to capacity. Some empty seats, but not many. And it was a big dining room.
Compare this, Phil: when I left the hotel today there was exactly ONE (1) protester. He looked very lonely. IMHO, one protester was worse than none. He reminded everyone how pathetic his feeble ‘protest’ was. Add insult to injury: no one was taking his flyers. Everyone ignored him.
What have Pfizer got to do with Global Warming? You may ask. Well, it’s all about “hiding the decline”!
Michael J Alexander says:
May 23, 2012 at 8:24 am
I love Vermin Supreme! If elected, he promises “A pony in every garage”!!!! Come On! Who WOULDN’T vote for that!!!! 🙂
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ME! I now have a full two dozen.
Perhaps Vermin Supreme would like to buy a few. I have about a half dozen I want to sell. How does a $100,000 a pony sound Vermin? They are girls and you can breed them so you will have plenty for when you become president. I am sure you can get some Obama grant funding to buy them.
“there was exactly ONE (1) protester. ”
The old-style leftists and ex-Marxists and fellow travelers thought the “One percenter” kids would follow the oldsters ideal of marching on the climate conference.
Their thinking is faulty. The One Percenters do not buy into the climate change product. The only kids who do are the few 350.org-sters, who are outliers from the mainstream because they won’t jump on the cap and trade train.
Oh yeah … the ‘boot’ guy was around the NATO protests Saturday and Sunday in Chicago; I recognize him from the live streaming videos a couple of the protesters had going during the protests there in Chicago.
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Jason Calley says:
May 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm
“There is no reason in the world why anarchists could not form a Union of Anarchists, just as long as membership was voluntary and the union did not instigate violence against anyone.”
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Now that’s a hoot. I’m not sure the two could co-exist. Non-violence and unions. Nah. No way.
One of the protesters giving a speech scores an own-goal:
“Hello everyone hows it going?” *cheers* “Uh I’m going to start off with a story first about how the soviet union. the soviet union uhh had science programs, they also had jails and they used these jails, oops, they used these jails in order to regulate their science programs. Here in the united states we don’t need jails, we have money, so what we do is we funnel money into the programs that are saying what we want to.” etc.
ROFL.
Isn’t Pfizer of the companies hoping to profit from medicating us out of our scepticism?
DaveE.
Gail Combs says:
May 23, 2012 at 3:27 pm”
“Perhaps Vermin Supreme would like to buy a few. I have about a half dozen I want to sell. How does a $100,000 a pony sound Vermin? They are girls and you can breed them so you will have plenty for when you become president.”
Even if he does wear a boot on his head, that was entirely uncalled for. Besides, it seems he is married. I just wonder where the other boot goes.
Don’t know about the Heartland “protest”, but the with the NATO meeting just ending in Chicago, it might not be the best of times to provoke a tired police force.
Michael J Alexander says:
May 23, 2012 at 8:24 am
I love Vermin Supreme! If elected, he promises “A pony in every garage”!!!! Come On! Who WOULDN’T vote for that!!!! 🙂
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ME! I now have a full two dozen.
Perhaps Vermin Supreme would like to buy a few. I have about a half dozen I want to sell. How does a $100,000 a pony sound Vermin? They are girls and you can breed them
Maybe he should just buy a male horse to do the breeding
Protester head-count from photo supplied: 33
Wow. It is worse than having no protest at all – it’s just embarrassing.
‘The national campaign calling on corporations to end their support of the climate change-denying Heartland Institute has galvanized more than 150,000 people’
http://www.paramuspost.com/article.php/20120521164146570
Looks like a case of if the boot fits, wear it, please at every opportunity..
Truly priceless..
Smokey wrote:
when I left the hotel today there was exactly ONE (1) protester. He looked very lonely. IMHO, one protester was worse than none. He reminded everyone how pathetic his feeble ‘protest’ was. Add insult to injury: no one was taking his flyers. Everyone ignored him.
Everyone ignored him. Just like the entire scientific community from the NAS on down treats the “science” from the Heartland Institute. You focus on the protesters; the worlds’ scientific community focuses on the science. Here’s a direct question for you and Anthony Watts: Why do you think this is?
Just wondering, what are the laws in the US like regarding appropriation of logos for such purposes? Don’t they need the relevant companies’ permission?
“Forecast the Facts” really should be called “Broadcast the Lies”.
Among their porkies:
““Given that the Heartland Institute’s conference is the preeminent gathering to promote conspiracy theories aboutclimate science, it’s amazing that major corporations, many of which profess to care about climate change, continue to support their efforts,” said Brad Johnson, campaign manager of Forecast the Facts.”
Right. The CAGW tribe are the only ones talking about “conspiracy theories”, so that’s a straw man.
And:
“The Heartland conference is one of the most brazen examples of how the fossil fuel industry funds climate change denialism for its own profit, at the expense of the millions of people around the world already suffering from massive climate disruptions — floods, droughts, and more. Do Pfizer, Microsoft, and Comcast really want to be complicit in this human tragedy by continuing to fund Heartland?”
Wow. Two big lies they are fond of telling. I suppose they can’t be blamed, though, since they don’t have any actual facts on their side.
65. Dave said (May 24, 2012 at 6:53 am)
“…Just wondering, what are the laws in the US like regarding appropriation of logos for such purposes? Don’t they need the relevant companies’ permission?…”
According to Clear Channel Communications in Chicago, they did:
“…The Times also reports another group was vying for the position. Forecast the Facts came up with its own billboard, which Clear Channel decided it would not post for trademark reasons. This billboard said “We still support Climate Deniers. Do you?” and featured the pharmaceutical company Pfizer’s logo along with the amount of its donation to Heartland. Spokesperson for Clear Channel Jim Cullinan told the Times there are legal reasons regarding the use of the Pfizer logo that prevented that billboard from going up…”
So they went from an electroninc billboard concept (which uses a LOT of electricity) to protesters on bikes pulling banners.
“…A new study concludes that there are environmental reasons to avoid digital billboards as well. Digital billboards, which are made of LED lights, consume lots of energy and are made of components that will turn into e-waste once the billboard’s life has ended…”
and
“…But wait, you ask, isn’t LED lighting quite energy-efficient? True, notes the report’s author, Gregory Young, a Philadelphia-based architectural designer and urban planner. But traditional billboards are lit by only two or three lamps, albeit inefficient ones, and only at night. By contrast, digital billboards have hundreds if not thousands of LEDs, which are illuminated day and night. And LEDs function poorly at high temperatures, so the signs need a cooling system…”
They say that a digital billboard can consume up to 30 times the energy that an average American home uses.
So Al Gore and Forecast the Facts, in an effort to save the earth, decided to use a wasteful medium to do it. Typical.
64.Phil C said (May 24, 2012 at 5:26 am)
“…Everyone ignored him. Just like the entire scientific community from the NAS on down treats the “science” from the Heartland Institute. You focus on the protesters; the worlds’ scientific community focuses on the science. Here’s a direct question for you and Anthony Watts: Why do you think this is?…”
It’s amazing how the use of quotes shows the true thoughts of the poster.
You mention the “science” of Heartland. We don’t question the science, we question the “climate scientists”.
See the difference?
Bruce Cobb writes:
May 24, 2012 at 7:02 am
“The CAGW tribe are the only ones talking about “conspiracy theories”, so that’s a straw man.”
And yet, every single time I talk with someone who disagrees with the scientific findings of the IPCC (which are endorsed by by the National Academies of Science, The American Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, The American Geophysical Union, and every other professional scientific organization I can find a statement from) and ask why when virtually every respected scientific organization representing virtually every practicing climate scientist in the world reaches the same fundamental conclusion about what the facts are about climate change (the Earth is warming and it is subsantially caused by greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels), the best response I get is that the world’s scientists are just pushing out these false ideas.
Please tell me then, if you disagree with all these scientists, all these scientific organizations, and all the scientific findings they so overwhelmingly endorse, and it’s not a conspiracy amongst them, then what is it? What do YOU know that thousands and thousands of professional scientists have missed?
We don’t question the science, we question the “climate scientists”. See the difference?
No. Please explain.
Phil C says:
May 24, 2012 at 9:21 am
Bruce Cobb writes:
May 24, 2012 at 7:02 am
“The CAGW tribe are the only ones talking about “conspiracy theories”, so that’s a straw man.”
And yet, every single time I talk with someone who disagrees with the scientific findings of the IPCC (which are endorsed by by the National Academies of Science, The American Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, The American Geophysical Union, and every other professional scientific organization I can find a statement from) and ask why when virtually every respected scientific organization representing virtually every practicing climate scientist in the world reaches the same fundamental conclusion about what the facts are about climate change (the Earth is warming and it is subsantially caused by greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels), the best response I get is that the world’s scientists are just pushing out these false ideas.
That’s the “best response” you get? Really Phil? Tell us the truth now (if that is indeed possible for you), you just made that up, didn’t you? Of course you did, because that is what Warmist Trolls do.
There is no need for any conspiracy. The Warmist industry is a self-supporting one, fueled by multi-billions of dollars, politics, personal egos, and other factors. Some of them may truly believe that they are doing science, when in fact they are not. Those like Hansen and Mann are in it for the fame, and because they have chosen to make a career not from science, but Alarmism.
The IPCC hasn’t done anything but make unsupported assertions with regard to CAGW, based on climate models which simply assume that C02 is a major climate driver; a classic case of GIGO. The Null Hypothesis, that climate change is primarily a natural phenomenon, and that any influence of man’s, other than on a local basis can not be identified stands.
which are endorsed by by the National Academies of Science, The American Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, The American Geophysical Union, and every other professional scientific organization I can find a statement from
Academies, Societies, Associations, and Unions. Those are conspiracies. The definition of conspiracy.
In Vancouver, rent-a-crowds require heroin, which gets pretty expensive. Especially for the taxpayer, when emergency services needs to get called to treat overdoes. Think I’m kidding? Look up Vancouver’s Occupy fiasco.
As for Bruce C – knowingly or not, you’re a cat’s paw for megawealthy global social engineers, just like those completely politicized (and therefore completely compromised) scientific organizations you mention. I wouldn’t trust them to tell me the time of day, and will continue to seek relevant data from non-compromised sources. That answer your question?
Beg your pardon Bruce – I meant PHIL C of course!
You know what’s funny about the alarmist cant that there is no conspiracy? Things like this – from Paul Ehrlich and John Holdren’s “Ecoscience”:
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“Toward a Planetary Regime
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Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international superagency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market.
The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”
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You can’t make this stuff up! This is really how these people think, and they have long since begun to act on their beliefs and have them written into law. Eugenics in the form of enforced sterilization, fully funded by the British Government, is already taking place in India (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid-forced-sterilisation-india), one of the reasons given being “the need to fight climate change”.
Some of them may truly believe that they are doing science, when in fact they are not.
Of the thousands of scientists doing climate research publishing thousands of papers supporting athroprogenic climate change, do you have stats showing which are doing science and which are not, and the evidence to back that up?
The IPCC hasn’t done anything but make unsupported assertions with regard to CAGW, based on climate models which simply assume that C02 is a major climate driver; a classic case of GIGO.
And on what page/citation of the IPCC technical report do you find that error? Show me.
To again answer your utterly pointless line of questioning Phil, read the following for an interesting insight by a scientist you might have heard about even before the IPCC; pay special attention to the final sentence:
Einstein explained that psychologically, our beliefs and axioms rest upon our experiences. There exists, however, no logical path from experience to an axiom, but only an intuitive connection based on our interpretation of the experience, which is always subject to revocation. These interpretations shape our beliefs and perceptions which determine our theories about the world. Finally, our theories determine what we observe in the world and, paradoxically, we only observe what confirms our theories which further hardens our beliefs and axioms.
Oh, and since you like citations – let’s have yours, starting with a list of the thousands of scientists and the titles of their thousands of papers. Meanwhile here’s list of thousands of scientists who think YOUR scientists are full of crap: http://www.petitionproject.org/signers_by_last_name.php.
Phil C,
The UN/IPCC exaggerates everything in it’s deceptive effort to alarm the populace. For example, they claim that 2xCO2=3+ºC. Real world observations show that to be a 200% – 300% exaggeration. I could mention Himalayan glaciers disappearing in a few decades, and the IPCC’s whopping sea level scares, etc. But let’s just discuss the IPCC’s climate sensitivity number. Defend that scare, if you can.
And always remember: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. The IPCC is falsus in omnibus.
Phil C says:
May 24, 2012 at 9:21 am
virtually every respected scientific organization representing virtually every practicing climate scientist in the world reaches the same fundamental conclusion about what the facts are about climate change (the Earth is warming……What do YOU know that thousands and thousands of professional scientists have missed?
Perhaps they are not up to date and may have missed this:
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate/no_global_warming_for_15_years/
“Apr 07, 2012
No Global Warming For 15 Years
New UK Met Office global temperature data confirms that the world has not warmed in the past 15 years.
Analysis by the GWPF of the newly released HadCRUT4 global temperature database shows that there has been no global warming in the past 15 years – a timescale that challenges current models of global warming.”
Perhaps they missed the sublimating/melting Martian polar caps, too. Perhaps the left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing, which in very large-scale bureaucracies (or conspiracies) should come as no surprise.
But I have the feeling we may not see another Phil C response for a bit…that’s what trolls do generally, hit and run.
Phil C said (May 24, 2012 at 9:23 am).
We don’t question the science, we question the “climate scientists”. See the difference?
No. Please explain.
Simple. Please tell us exactly which universities give people degrees in Climate Science.
Failing that, tell us exactly what disciplines constitute the core of the “climate science” field. For example, is a person with a degree in math a climate scientist? How about physics? Statistics? English Lit?
With regard to Vermin Supreme there is bad news and good news.
The bad news is that he somehow managed to find a woman (I assume it was a woman) to marry him. The thought blew every circuit breaker in my brain.
The good news is he doesn’t have any children.
To help Phil C along, just the facts please:
http://www.colderside.com/Colderside/Temp_%26_CO2.html
The juxtaposition is with Mauna Loa and the East Anglica Hadley CRU data. Paraphrasing Dickens, its much like boiling them in their own pudding!
Anglia
Michael H Anderson says:
May 24, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Beg your pardon Bruce – I meant PHIL C of course!
You know what’s funny about the alarmist cant that there is no conspiracy? Things like this – from Paul Ehrlich and John Holdren’s “Ecoscience”….
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Michael it goes back even further than that.
The Co-founders of the Fabian Society include the Webbs, who also set up the London School of Economics where many world leaders in business, banking and politics are trained, including Gaddafi’s son, and George Soros. Another co-founder was George Bernard Shaw who had a big mouth. He gives a glimpse into the minds of these people and John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar seems to be his disciple. On page 235 of the book, in a chapter titled “Population Limitation,” Holdren and his co-authors wrote: “The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being. Where any of these essential elements is lacking, the resultant individual will be deficient in some respect.”
Compare that idea to the one Shaw puts forth.
Rather chilling is it not to think this mindset has persisted for over a century.