'Death threats' against climate scientists story deader still – the source of one of the 'threats' speaks out

UPDATE: Is is now totally unraveled. The person related to the culling license speaks out, see below.

I feel there will be more crow pie coming on the menu for David Appell and Nick Stokes.

Simon from Australian Climate Madness writes:

This is turning into the story that keeps on giving. After yesterday’s revelation that the one possible “threat” was actually an innocent discussion about culling kangaroos, now Legal Affairs editor Chris Merritt writes in The Weekend Australian:

Media Watch eyes climate scientist death threat claims

AFTER triggering a global news event with reports about death threats against climate scientists, the ABC and Fairfax Media are under investigation by Media Watch after a central plank supporting their reports was found to be non-existent.

Before the flaws in their reports were revealed, their versions of the truth had been picked up by Britain’s The Guardian and the scientific journal Nature.

The critical error in their reports, which has been revealed by The Australian, is that emails held by the Australian National University that were supposed to outline death threats against climate scientists have been independently assessed as containing no death threats.

Those emails were made public on Tuesday after a long Freedom of Information campaign by blogger Simon Turnill.

Full story here

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UPDATE: On the website “Catalaxy Files” and in comments on WUWT below, the person who is at the center of the alleged “death threat” months before the other emails, identifies himself. Link.

Read it from the beginning here: http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/05/10/the-dog-ate-my-death-threats-with-garcinia cambogia-ii/

Here’s the comment left on WUWT:

John Coochey says:

I feel I can now throw some light on the matter. The document viewed as most “threatening” referred to an alleged Deliberation at the ANU about climate change in the Canberra region at which one person “made a death threat” (sic) by showing his gun licence and boasting about his skill as a sniper.. Only two people dropped out of the conference only one of those who did so attended the even meal. Me. I am certainly the one who is alleged to show someone their gun licence. That is not true while at the evening meal (of poor quality) comments moved to eating game meat and I was approached by the Commissioner for the Environment ACT, Dr Maxine Cooper who recognized me as someone involved in the kangaroo culling program in the ACT. She politely asked if she could sit at the vacant seat next to me and asked if I had past the recent licence test – not easy. I replied yes and showed her my current licence. I also impressed on any one interested the high standard of marksmanship necessary to allay any cruelty concerns. I might add that earlier in the day I had challenged two speakers to comment on a letter in the Canberra Times that claimed that temperatures had not increased in the Canberra area for decades. They were unable to do so, having not apparently checked the record despite the the “Deliberation” (conference) supposed to be about rising temperatures in the Canberra region. As all daytime conversations were recorded (we all signed waivers to allow this) this can easily be checked.

I note Readfearn has commented on the “death threat at the conference” in Crikey ,com. He got one thing right I did leave of my own accord. When meal had finished and a piss poor meal it was.

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I posted this at ACM:
I want their ‘heads on spikes’ ! ABC, ANU, CT, et al.
Well, at least prominent full page newspaper corrections and apologies, and ABC to produce a 30-min documentary detailing their deceit and corrections.

P. Solar

Anyone not happy with the Guardian misreporting of climate issues should email the editors:
Readers’ Editor
They do read and take note, so stay polite and factual.

Gunga Din

“Culling kangaroos” a death threat against scientist that promote Global Warming..er..Man Made Global Warm..er..CACW..er..Climate Change..er..Weather Wierding……, well, they DO jump around alot.

If the ANU scientists considered statements like this —
“We have had enough! Sometime in the future your days of leeching off the tax payers of Australia will end and you will be looking for work in the employment office where you might find a real job and contribute to society in a positive way.” My bolding. http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/05/anu-death-threat-emails-released/
— as death threats, all I can say is [self-snip-snip-snippety-snip-snip-snip]

Patrick

I would not be surprised if we see a similar result with the investigations in to issues at the UEA CRU. Another helping of whitewash please.

John Coochey

I feel I can now throw some light on the matter. The document viewed as most “threatening” referred to an alleged Deliberation at the ANU about climate change in the Canberra region at which one person “made a death threat” (sic) by showing his gun licence and boasting about his skill as a sniper.. Only two people dropped out of the conference only one of those who did so attended the even meal. Me. I am certainly the one who is alleged to show someone their gun licence. That is not true while at the evening meal (of poor quality) comments moved to eating game meat and I was approached by the Commissioner for the Environment ACT, Dr Maxine Cooper who recognized me as someone involved in the kangaroo culling program in the ACT. She politely asked if she could sit at the vacant seat next to me and asked if I had past the recent licence test – not easy. I replied yes and showed her my current licence. I also impressed on any one interested the high standard of marksmanship necessary to allay any cruelty concerns. I might add that earlier in the day I had challenged two speakers to comment on a letter in the Canberra Times that claimed that temperatures had not increased in the Canberra area for decades. They were unable to do so, having not apparently checked the record despite the the “Deliberation” (conference) supposed to be about rising temperatures in the Canberra region. As all daytime conversations were recorded (we all signed waivers to allow this) this can easily be checked.
I note Readfearn has commented on the “death threat at the conference” in Crikey ,com. He got one thing right I did leave of my own accord. When meal had finished and a piss poor meal it was.

And of course, every word about searing past/present/future CAGW dooms both global and down under ever uttered by those same “cry wolf” pseudo scientists are blinkin accurate… NOT!!!
Like Gleick, liars have problems that in their minds only their lies protect them from. Why lie about death threats? Just what problem are they trying to hide from (and keep from us). Could it be bad science? FOIs and transparency might uncover… what? Just what are they so scared of revealing that they’d invent a worldwide media frenzy about death threats.
Good science practices? Not likely
Excellent data keeping? Again, doubtful.
Superior or even average math? Oh yeah, lie their rears off to hide good math… Nope!
Solid research? Nah.
Avoiding poor assumptions in favor of disciplined objectivity? Somehow I doubt it.
It becomes a long list, just why would a group go to such lengths to paint questioners of science with bald lies?

Jessie

The Catallaxy Files writes on these events.
The dog ate my death threats II
http://catallaxyfiles.com/page/2/
It seems that Goulburn (a country city council in the Australian Capital Territory [ACT]) and other ACT residents were invited to a 3 day workshop organised by the Australian National University’s [ANU] Centre for ‘Deliberative Democracy and Global Governance’. (report below).
The workshop participants attended a dinner (see p24 session 23 of report), where ……………….
After politely asking if she could sit next to me she asked me how I had gone in the recent licence test which is challenging. I told her I had topped it with a perfect score and showed her my current culling licence, not gun licence, to prove it. The conversation around the table then drifted around the benefits of eating game meat v the poor fare on offer. 🙂
http://catallaxyfiles.com/page/2/
Workshop report (aka Agenda 21 activities parading as academic ‘community’ & ‘engagement’ for policy and further grant proposals). Overview of workshop at p25-7 http://deliberativedemocracy.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/documents/working_papers/CCPSPartReport.pdf

The Death Threats were averted by timely action on the part ImaVictim.

mrmethane

THe press are in the pockets of the alarmists.

So the “death threats” are as fictitious as rising temperatures/sea levels and shrinking polar caps/polar bear populations? Alternatively as well as farting dinosaurs, deaf fish and the risk of an alien invasion,
are some of the kangaroos being threatened with a cull actually climate scientists?

DirkH

Bill Tuttle says:
May 11, 2012 at 10:31 pm

“If the ANU scientists considered statements like this —
“We have had enough! Sometime in the future your days of leeching off the tax payers of Australia will end and you will be looking for work in the employment office where you might find a real job and contribute to society in a positive way.” My bolding. http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/05/anu-death-threat-emails-released/
– as death threats, all I can say is”

Oh! I always threaten them with one day having to earn their money so I’m guilty. But I understand their reasoning. The perspective must look like death from their pampered existence. No more free shindigs in Rio and Durban!

richardscourtney

P. Solar:
At May 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm you write:
“Anyone not happy with the Guardian misreporting of climate issues should email the editors:
Readers’ Editor
They do read and take note, so stay polite and factual.”
You forgot the ‘/sarc’ after “They do read and take note”.
Richard

Anoneumouse

Jumping the Roo

just sayin'

Can’t help but note that the Dr Maxine Cooper who triggered the conversation about kangaroo culling which led to the “gun licence” comment was made ACT Government Auditor General recently. Like to think she would have an interest in accuracy and truth!

Marion

Interesting to compare the emails above with the real thing coming from demented CAGW supporters as reported by the UK Daily Telegraph –
“Police marksmen shot dead a lone gunman carrying a bomb who had taken three employees hostage at the headquarters of the Discovery Channel near Washington DC…The suspect, James Lee, 43, had previously served two weeks in jail after staging a protest against the channel’s supposed lack of commitment to protecting the environment. …. When Lee organised a protest outside the same building in February 2008, he issued a six-page set of demands to Discovery, saying the channel “must broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet….At his trial, he said he became committed to that cause after being laid off from his job in San Diego. He said he had been inspired by “Ishmael,” a novel by environmentalist Daniel Quinn and by former Vice President Al Gore’s documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”. A lengthy posting on Lee’s website said Discovery and its affiliates should stop “encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants…Instead, he said, the channel should broadcast “programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility.” “Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is,” reads the site. “Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies!” it says.
The Al Gore film was shown in many of our schools.
And this is just some of the propaganda that Australian children have had to face –
http://mises.org/daily/2997
and then we had the infamous 10:10 video
Yet again CAGW proponents expose themselves for the utter hypocrites they are!

Jessie

Background to culling of kangaroos in the Australian Capital Territory
There are many more examples of the ACT government hypocrisy, blaming the kangaroos for their own planning mistakes. Four days after teh cull started, we now find out that the kangaroo numbers that were used to justify this cull were estimated by counting kangaroo poo! How unscientific is that?
http://www.kangaroo-protection-coalition.com/canberrakangaroocull.html
The Department of Defence says the cull is necessary to protect native grasslands and threatened species, and avoid starvation among the kangaroos.
The planned method of slaughter is to tranquillise the animals with the use of darts and then kill them with a lethal injection.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/canberras-kangaroo-cull-begins/2008/05/19/1211182694317.html

Marion

Sorry – missing links included for –
Marion says:
May 12, 2012 at 12:58 am
Interesting to compare the emails above with the real thing coming from demented CAGW supporters as reported by the UK Daily Telegraph –
“Police marksmen shot dead a lone gunman carrying a bomb who had taken three employees hostage at the headquarters of the Discovery Channel near Washington DC…The suspect, James Lee, 43, had previously served two weeks in jail after staging a protest against the channel’s supposed lack of commitment to protecting the environment. …. When Lee organised a protest outside the same building in February 2008, he issued a six-page set of demands to Discovery, saying the channel “must broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet….At his trial, he said he became committed to that cause after being laid off from his job in San Diego. He said he had been inspired by “Ishmael,” a novel by environmentalist Daniel Quinn and by former Vice President Al Gore’s documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”. A lengthy posting on Lee’s website said Discovery and its affiliates should stop “encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants…Instead, he said, the channel should broadcast “programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility.” “Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is,” reads the site. “Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies!” it says.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7976513/Gunman-shot-after-taking-hostages-at-Discovery-Channel-headquarters.html
The Al Gore film was shown in many of our schools.
And this is just some of the propaganda that Australian children have had to face –
http://mises.org/daily/2997
and then we had the infamous 10:10 video

Yet again CAGW proponents expose themselves for the utter hypocrites they are!

pat

Flashback for Anthony re Dr. Maxine Cooper who, as just sayin’ says above, is now ACT Government Auditor General :
9 May 2009: Warwick Hughes: ACT (Canberra) Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment (Dr. Maxine Cooper) chides BoM re urbanization near Canberra Airport observations site
Anyway, the good Doctor (Cooper) asks the question, “How much do these developments affect the Bureau’s ability to keep using this site as a long-term reference station?”
Heavens above, if Dr Cooper is getting concerned about the Canberra AP site then the list of global sites that that Dr P. D. Jones and the Hadley Centre use to generate “global warming” trends for the IPCC should really give her cause to be alarmed.
And note, Canberra is on the Hadley Centre / Jones list…
COMMENT BELOW: The late great John Daly was onto Canberra Airport some years back. See this graph where he compares its record with Wagga airport: http://www.john-daly.com/stations/canberra.gif
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=218

NZ Groover

This is exactly why there’s a growing “yeah whatever” feeling. Far to many chicken little predictions. What do they do to counter these…..issue even more chicken little predictions. It’s a vicious cycle and I’m loving it.

Mike Jowsey

I just read all the comments under Nick Stokes’ blog on this topic (it took intestinal fortitude, gotta say). When called out on his pronouncements about these ‘death threats’, Stokes is amazingly agile at picking out one minor point of a challenging argument while completely ignoring the major points.
However, he seems to be of the view that all the evidence is not yet in. “Still, we haven’t heard from others at the dinner”, says Stokes. He also thinks that there may have been other email threats which were deleted by staff when they received them. Further, Stokes maintains,”in the face of what we have, to say there were no threats of harm requires proof.” This reversal of the onus of proof is reminiscent of Trenberth’s similar requirement.
Stokes is unable to see, or at least admit, that the story was hugely overblown by the Vice Chancellor of ANU, who was reported in the ABC thus, “Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats and abusive phone calls, threatening to attack the academics in the street if they continue their research.” Prof. Young then went on to call for “a logical public debate” on climate change.
Oh the hypocrisy!

Gail Combs

just sayin’ says:
May 12, 2012 at 12:53 am
Can’t help but note that the Dr Maxine Cooper who triggered the conversation about kangaroo culling which led to the “gun licence” comment was made ACT Government Auditor General recently. Like to think she would have an interest in accuracy and truth!
_________________________
YEESH,
So the woman who set him up is now Government Auditor General?? Says a lot about the honest of government doesn’t it? That is almost as bad as having a tax cheat as the US Secretary of the Treasury.

John Coochey

I think you have overstepped the line here. Dr Cooper is a professional and capable Public Servant and I have he highest respect for her

cuibono1969

“What’s that Skippy? The polar ice caps are melting and we’re all going to drown? And the climate is passing the point of no return?”
-h/t 1960s kids TV from Oz

Mike Jowsey

Have to agree with John Coochey – As I read it, Dr Maxine Cooper was simply engaging in a conversation with John, which was no doubt overheard by others around the table. There is no evidence that Cooper relayed anything of the conversation to anyone. I would imagine some chicken-little ANU research assistant played chinese whispers with a few other like-feathered birds and the innocent conversation blew up into “He’s got a gun licence and is a marksman sniper AND A SKEPTIC – OMG!!!!”

pete50

“Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats
I wonder if Prof. Young knows that issuing death threats in the ACT is a criminal matter, punishible by up to 10 years in prison. If its the case that he knew that such threats had been issued to staff of his University, he was duty-bound to report the matter to the police. If such a report was not made, that omission might also be a matter in which the ACT police take an interest.
Wolf-crying can be a serious matter.

Gail Combs says: May 12, 2012 at 2:26 am
Gail, suggesting that Maxine Cooper “set up” Mr. Coochey is quite a stretch. It sounds like two acquaintances having a chat at a public venue. As I read this, Mr. Coochey himself didn’t know that he had been the inspiration for one of the “death threat” incidents until the e-mails were released. It’s entirely likely that Dr. Cooper her self still has no clue of her role in this farce. It would be nice if she would take the time to come forward and corroborate Mr. Coochey’s version of events.
It would seem, however, that Mr. Coochey himself disagrees with your categorization of Maxine Cooper (see the comment just below yours).
Mr. Coochey, thank you very much for coming forward. Your meal at the Deliberative Democracy meeting may have been tasteless, but your recounting of the experience is just delicious.

pat

from page 6 of the report linked at Catallaxy:
“The second departed after feeling frustrated that he could not get his views across to the group (and was very unfortunately subjected to special attention by the comedy act that was intended to provide the opportunity to decompress at the conference dinner after a demanding first day).”
http://deliberativedemocracy.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/documents/working_papers/CCPSPartReport.pdf
go to page 28 of the report, at the bottom of the Timetable for Day 1, to see the comedian considered suitable for this august occasion was Rob Quantock:
Oct 2009: reportage/enviro: Emergency call from Parliament House
Photo Caption: Rob Quantock, Melbourne comedian and fervent supporter of the climate action movement, entertains the crowd
The afternoon of free entertainment around 350 Day of Global Action featured Melbourne’s funnyman Rod Quantock, in a play, Gamble with the Climate which highlighted the urgent need to reduce carbon levels in the atmosphere from the unsafe level of 390 parts per million to under 350ppml…
ANU Professor Andrew Glikson spoke prior to the play on why 350 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere constitutes a safe climate, and 450 is a very unsafe climate for the globe. Andrew informed us on what the latest and best research is now telling us on the severe risk of not acting to immediately reduce carbon emissions and levels.
http://www.reportage-enviro.com/2009/10/emergency-call-in-front-of-parliament-house/
ANU hearts Quantock:
(WITH AUDIO LINK AT BOTTOM)
Oct 2009: ANU: Thirsty Work
Rod Quantock
Comedian, Writer and Climate Change Activist
Rod Quantock says, “If climate change doesn’t scare you, then you don’t get the science.” Fortunately Quantock does, and when he gives you his take on the physics, chemistry, biology, geology, palaeontology, cosmology and meteorology of climate science you’ll get it too. And then… you’ll be scared. It’s win-win. Sounds like great fun doesn’t? It’s an edgy mix of panic and hysteria. But that’s what you’d expect from someone whose comedy has been described as ‘medicinal’. In his irreverent style and clever humour has proven to be a great avenue to deliver powerful messages about the reality of climate change, water issues and possible outcomes.
This lecture was introduced by Jon Ward, Manager, Environmental Policy, Toyota Motor Corporation Australia
http://www.anu.edu.au/discoveranu/content/podcasts/thirsty_work/

Bloke down the pub

Now if Michael Mann’s nickname was Skippy….

Mick Langan

I believe they had a simple typo. I believe we have made death to paycheck threats.

Gail Combs

John Coochey says:
May 12, 2012 at 2:47 am
I think you have overstepped the line here. Dr Cooper is a professional and capable Public Servant and I have he highest respect for her
________________________
Sorry my dislike and distrust for public servants is showing.
I voted for a US senator who deliberately lied to my face to make sure I (and those I talked to) voted for him. I am still steaming two years later. Especially when I question him after he voted for the bill I was opposed to and gave me a pathetic song and dance routine about the bill having been “changed” so he “felt” it was alright to vote for it.

Lars P.

Well the mails deserve being read and published all over the place. It is worth reading each one of those also in conjuction with John’s post above:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/11/death-threats-against-climate-scientists-story-deader-still/#comment-983046
It is revealing how important is to have the FOI process in place and also how do warmist transform reality:
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/www.moyhu.org/FOI/ANU_emails.zip
Incredible stuff. We all own a lot to Simon for the perseverance he showed and clarified this against all the obfuscation, it is a great step forward in clarifying the situation:
“Those emails were made public on Tuesday after a long Freedom of Information campaign by blogger Simon Turnill.”

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Gail Combs says:
May 12, 2012 at 2:26 am
YEESH,
So the woman who set him up is now Government Auditor General?? Says a lot about the honest of government doesn’t it? That is almost as bad as having a tax cheat as the US Secretary of the Treasury.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Doesn’t take too much in the way of comprehension skills to figure that Maxine Cooper is blameless in this. Ad homs chucked about willy-nilly do the realist cause no good at all, especially at a time when we’re not as firmly entrenched on the high ground as we might be.

mikemUK

It would be reasonable to expect that faced with FOI disclosure of 6 months of Emails, ANU, finding that they had little/no credible evidence in there to support their ‘death threat’ claims, would have voluntarily raked out any material from OUTSIDE that period in order not to look complete idiots: but wait . . .

Kozlowski

Climate scientists are waging a campaign to change our minds, to control the message, to effect social change by claiming there is a crisis. This is just one more example of their propaganda efforts. Indeed, when reading through this, and seeing the original purpose for the meeting where the Kangaroo culling license was shown, I was stunned, absolutely stunned that scientists were there trying to do research into how to change the public’s mind about climate change. In other words, how to make their propaganda more effective. How to do social engineering on the Australian public and warp them to their cause (or is it The Cause.) Truly I find THAT part of it far more disturbing than how they self-servingly conflated innocent incidents into a crisis.

Richard Day

This is such a discourtesy to all kangaroos. Who are the climate “scientists” going to blame next? Mother Teresa? Koala Bears?

Jessie


Climate Change: Ask an expert – public lecture Jan 2010 (Australian National University, Canberra, Australia)
0:41:27- 051:23 Dr Maxine Cooper, Commissioner for Sustainability and Environment in the Australian Capital Territory discusses what is needed at the local and regional scale
042:23 How to I communicate that to Mary and Joe in the public?….
044:27 One of the things I’m very pleased about, when I write the ‘State of Environment’ report, it has to be tabled in the Assembly- the government then has to respond to those recommendations
044:38 And in the region, I don’t have legislative power but I have the support of 17 local Councils
0:48:28 ‘How do we make it politically irresistible?
0:49:21 How do we get those changes?
0:50:12 And the most powerful change that you can do in terms of change…… is going to .. be the peer group…… is the discussions at the dinner table, the coffee shop. That will make a difference.
0:50:21 The first conference on the psychology of climate change was held in Bristol last year …………… greatest obstacle to action………….. but the denial strategies that we all adopt……… and we need to re-frame climate change……don’t talk about polar bears. …….. energy independence and potential for new enterprises, … peer pressure. ‘
Canberra, the capital city of Australia with a population of 358, 000 (public servants).

You must be very careful what you say to a Warmista. After all, they believe:
1. an extra 0.01 % of carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere will cause global death and destruction;
2. that windmills can save us;
3.that someone else will pay for the windmills;
4. that anyone who questions these facts is intellectually and morally inferior.

Cadae

These plainly wrong claims of threat are explicable – CAGW supporters have a propensity for detecting problems where there are none.
Unfortunately, as evidenced in the last few months, most of the press are all-too-willing to believe without question all these kinds of phantasy problems invented by the CAGW industry – CO2 harm, big bad Oil, big bad Heartland and death threats from skeptics.

Berényi Péter

Data obviously have not conformed to the death threat model, but hey, why could not they simply adjust the emails? Is it not unprofessional a bit?

Do “Alarmists” need a special gun license to shoot themselves in the foot? More crimes may have been committed than just prevarication.

Allan MacRae

The thing about CAGW fanatics, like all radical leftists, is that they will lie, lie lie in order to support their position. I’ve seen this again and again – the end justifies the means. Sometimes they just make it up as they go, to support their untenable scientific and ethical stance.
I saw this first in July 1989, when I entered East Germany on a business trip, and saw firsthand the alleged “Worker’s Paradise”… … and what a dysfunctional, repressive hell-hole it really was.
In scientific papers, Steve McIntyre has capably exposed the voodoo science of dendrochronology, and the cabal of co-conspirators who have misled us for over a decade, in their deceitful attempts to eliminate from the scientific record the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age, in order to support Mann-made global warming fanaticism.
As Earth has refused to warm, the warming alarmists have not only changed their story (Global Warming => Climate Change => Sustainability), they have even changed the surface temperature data (GISS, and recently Hadcrut4).
It is notable that NONE of the global warming alarmists scary predictions have materialized. Nevertheless, we waste enormous time and effort, as every week there are new, very-scary CAGW predictions to refute.
I propose a time-saving strategy to deal with these CAGW serial BS-er’s:
The Law of Warmist BS
“You can save yourselves a lot of time, and generally be correct, by simply assuming that EVERY SCARY PREDICTION the global warming alarmists express is FALSE.”
Regarding threats of violence and actual acts of violence, I do know of some, but all of these were directed at global warming skeptics. Dr. Tim Ball has received several death threats and has gone public. Other scientists who have been the victims of actual violence do not want their names or stories mentioned, and I must respect that – but it has been a very “dirty” war.
On a lighter note, I received a threatening email in ~2002, after I wrote a skeptical article in the National Post, accusing me of causing the flooding of Prague. I pondered this accusation for a moment, and briefly enjoyed my newfound God-like powers. “Thor, God of Thunder, Despoiler of Worlds!”. I responded to my anonymous tormenter: Dear Sir, You are correct. I am the ONE, fully responsible for the flooding of Prague. Now “run along” or I’ll do it again!

Chuck L

Gail Combs says:
May 12, 2012 at 3:37 am
John Coochey says:
May 12, 2012 at 2:47 am
I think you have overstepped the line here. Dr Cooper is a professional and capable Public Servant and I have he highest respect for her
________________________
Sorry my dislike and distrust for public servants is showing.
I voted for a US senator who deliberately lied to my face to make sure I (and those I talked to) voted for him. I am still steaming two years later. Especially when I question him after he voted for the bill I was opposed to and gave me a pathetic song and dance routine about the bill having been “changed” so he “felt” it was alright to vote for it.
______________________________________________________
Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?
A: When they open their mouth.

How I wish they would “eat crow”, but you can’t shame the shameless. That’s another reason why this fight has gone political, and *Has* to be a political, rather than a scientific one. This is yet one more piece of evidence that the people pushing the AGW meme, men like Gleick, are not “honest scientists” but in fact are Frauds, Cheats, Liars, Con Artists, and moral degenerates through and through. Our efforts have to be focused on letting everyone ELSE know what they are and why we know that, not on changing the minds of the moral degenerates themselves. That will remain an impossible task.
warning the public about what they and what they want (domination and money) now remains as our highest and best purpose.

I visited Nick Stokes site and see that even some of his own supporters are not agreeing with him over it.
He he…..

JC

How many lies will it take before we openly question how much of the work in this field is simply faked?

Latimer Alder

The release of the e-mails and the testimony of John Coochey illustrate two points. Which may be blindingly obvious to others but might be worth restating anyway.
1. Challenge everything a warmista says. Make them prove it with evidence, not opinion. Don’t be fobbed off with ‘this has been debunked’ or ‘research has moved on’ or idle references to the research literature. Get them to explain it. In public..in words that you can understand. Be polite and calm. Say please and thank you. Do not use emotive terms or insults. Act like a forensic lawyer would do. Use the rhetorical question ‘is it correct to say that…….and if not why not?’ Never lose your cool. Never get emotionally involved. Never give a warmista a simple excuse (insult, bad language, ad hom etc) to moderate/ban/ignore you. Use FoI if you have to. And publish the results in a blog. That way they are always retrievable somewhere.
The Australian guys got away without challenge for a little time. But eventually the truth was fund by a bit of dogged determination. And it was not to their credit.I suspect that many others of us believe that the truth of many other warmista myths is equally damaging. We just need to get to the bottom of them.
2. This hilarious saga shows a long trail of ludicrous misjudgement by nearly everybody involved. From the first earwigger who misinterpreted the conversation to the university authorities who suspended credulity and common sense for the purpose of a headline..and to the journos who didn’t even botheer to check their sources before making a big noise about nothing in particular,
How much can we rely upon their collective judgements when the matter is not a relatively minor one of a snippet of an overheard conversation over dinner, but on the Future of Humanity itself – or whatever guff they are coming up with today. Since I wouldn’t trust them, on this showing, to cross the road unaided without a stroller,, a nurse, a safety net and three functioning GPS devices, I fear that their pronouncements on (CA)GW will still leave me cold.
Those who know cockney rhyming slang will realise that my calling them a ‘wunch’ (*) is not meant as a compliment.
(*) From the contemporary English saying ‘A Wunch of Bankers’

Louis Hooffsteter

I love teachable moments. Anyone & everyone still unsure about whether or not humans are destroying our climate should read the ‘death threat’ emails for themselves:
http://www.wakeup2thelies.com/2012/05/10/read-the-so-called-anu-death-threat-emails-in-full-here/
Now ask yourselves the following questions:
1. How much have these climatologists over exaggerated the impact humans are having on our climate?
2 Are these people capable of objectively evaluating scientific data and drawing rational conclusions?
3. Do you still believe CO2 is destroying the planet?

Roger

This from “Norm” at Judith Curry Climate etc. site I can barely believe it. Nature etc.. need to retract/withdraw all of Hansen’s publications!
Quote :
“Carbon dioxide only has an effect on the atmospheric window centred on 14.77microns and ranges from about 13 to 17 microns and not from 7 to 14 as stated by Hansen
How did the peer review miss this obvious error!
This and several other errors and scientifically unsubstantiated claims in this paper have contaminated the peer reviewd literature and provide a faulty scientific reference for the future research which has resulted in the mountain of defedtivet research that supports the fraudulent contention od CAGW.
Left unchecked, this has eroded public trust “.

wes george

What do you want to bet that statistically Climate Skeptics versus Climate Alarmists closely mirrors the political mores of the Tea Partiers versus the Occupy Wall Street mob? The Tea Party is smeared by the media as gun toting violent rednecks who could snap just like that, but in thousands of rallies involving millions of people there have been no incidents. Meanwhile, you can hardly rub together two OWS’ers without get a knifing or rape, much less a simple threat of violence.
No doubt, when Tony Abbott (opposition leader in parliament) forms a new government at the next election in Australia and repeals the Carbon Tax, riotously violent dissent will suddenly become a patriotic duty!
Knowing the prejudices of sanctimonious academics, simply being in the proximity of someone with a roo culling license would have been offensive to their urbane sensitivities, much less breaking bread with such an uncouth barbarian. Combine their bigotry with their sense guilt — climate academics are well aware the tide of evidence is flowing strongly against them — it’s not hard to imagine them conjuring up bilious fantasies of mayhem.
The real goon squad here aren’t the bigoted neurotic academics, but their enablers in the media who conflated what they must have known from the evidence was baseless paranoia into a yellow star to pin upon the “denialists.”
Just another Epic Fail for the grand consensus of righteousness.