Open thread weekend

I’m taking a blog holiday this weekend. Right now I’m watching the History channel 2 (H2) while some off the rails eco-scientist explains to us why we are all going to die because of “what might happen if a gigantic methane-gas explosion occurred in the Pacific.” Methane Explosion (2007) watch the video:

I had to laugh at the YouTube description (bold mine):

History Channel “Mega Disasters” series. This explores the controversial paper published by Northwestern University’s Gregory Ryskin. His thesis: the oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas… enough to cause global catastrophe on a regular basis!

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The History Channel gets the well-deserved South Park treatment here: http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s15e13-a-history-channel-thanksgiving

jonathan frodsham

Oh dear 1.40am in VN, help!! the oceans are going to explode.” We are all going to die”. Hmm that is the 4th time this week. At least I got the first post in.

This guy’s resemblance to Jim Hansen is creepy. I note also an equivocation between Lake Nyos (CO2) and this [unknown] source of methane. Result? Folk-science claptrap, served up on a Hollywood-style platter: San Diego buys it. Gawrsh, there’s a disaster waiting in Cauliflowernia for every day of the year. I’d love to see the credits for this History Channel expose.

dp

That stuff will rot your mind! 🙂 Enjoy your time away, and don’t forget to stay away.

I could use a holiday. Maybe I’ll watch “The Day after Tomorrow” and marvel at the top-of-troposphere air blown down to the ground so quickly it doesn’t have a chance to warm up.

ew-3

From the “delaying the truth” department…..
“The launch of NASA’s second Orbiting Carbon Observatory, under construction to replace a satellite lost in 2009, will be delayed at least one year after the space agency terminated an agreement for the carbon-tracking mission to lift off on a Taurus XL rocket, officials said Friday.”
Full article at:
Spaceflight Now

Richard Jenkins

Here in France, the river Loire and Garonne are both freeezing over, something not seen for 25 years at most, and since 1995 at least, depending on the zone.
http://pays-de-la-loire.france3.fr/info/froid–des-glacons-dans-la-loire-72444783.html
http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2012/02/10/1281928-la-garonne-gelee-pour-la-premiere-fois-depuis-1985.html
This after nearly two weeks of sub zero temperatures.
http://comprendre.meteofrance.com/content/2009/10/21331-48.pdf shows the years with really cold winters and you can perhaps link them to solar minimum years.
We certainly beat the electricity use
http://www.lefigaro.fr/conso/2012/02/09/05007-20120209ARTFIG00633-electricite-pourquoi-on-enregistre-des-records.php
and temperatures were also beaten or very nearly beaten
http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/02/10/au-coeur-de-la-vague-bergerac-surfe-le-record-629992-757.php
http://actualite.lachainemeteo.com/actualite-meteo/2012-02-07-03h00/vague-de-froid—des-records-mensuels-battus—15618.php
and over 600 people died in europe
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/le-froid-et-la-neige-ont-fait-plus-de-600-morts-en-europe-11-02-2012-1430413_24.php
All these in French, so google translate them!

R. Shearer

Watch the South Park episode, then search Northwestern’s CE faculty for Dr. Ryskin. No photo for him. Weird.
http://www.chem-biol-eng.northwestern.edu/people/faculty/core_faculty.html

John-X

“Giant Methane Explosion”
Known colloquially as a “Lloyd Christmas Scenario”

Skiphil

I lost all respect for the History Channel about the time they started taking Nostrodamus seriously…. they have some good programs but then they have some god-awful hideous programs….

Love the special effects in the History channel’s programs.

Alexej Buergin

The german story continues, with “Welt” (the broadsheet sister of “Bild”) and Latif getting wobbly.
According to author Kuhlke the german media are treated from Berlin (Postdam) the same way as they were 75 years ago.
http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article13861989/Die-Klimaforschung-wird-zum-neuen-Religionsersatz.html
(Translation: Climate is the new religion)

H2 used to be History International, which occasionally had some good programming. Since they changed to H2 it seems we simply have two channels of garbage masquerading as “history made every day”. Lately it’s become like A&E, the Trailer Trash Channel.
I used to complain that HC was nothing but The Hitler Channel, but now I long for a return to such heady days…

I got Rob Honeycutt to say, “So what if [Michael] Mann created errors in his code? [So] What if he was up late nights trying to figure out how to force the data to show a hockey stick?”
Yeah, I know it’s not much of a victory. But you’ve got to savor them when they come, no matter how small.
That would never happen at SkS.

RockyRoad

Wolf!, wolf!, wolf!, wolf!….
By the time something very bad and very true is predicted, everybody will just take the weekend off and watch the History Channel.
Wolf!, wolf!, wolf!, wolf!….

Adam Gallon

On the frozen major rivers theme, the Danube’s frozen in several places, they’re even blasting the ice apart http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/dynamite-used-to-blow-apart-ice-sheets-on-white-danube-3016530.html
A week’s worth of sub -10C temps is needed to freeze the river.
It’s hit -16C last night (8am this morning, to be exact), here in Lincolnshire.

Stop Press: France-Ireland rugby match called off due to frozen pitch.
Global warming, global schwarming!

JDN

I keep reading that India is going to try thorium-based nuclear reactors. However, I don’t think GE or Westinghouse even have a prototype under design. This makes me think it’s not workable for some reason, even though India & China have allegedly approved construction. I did a little searching and couldn’t find much. Does anyone have something that looks like a technical analysis of a prototype thorium reactor?

Gary Hladik

Ric Werme says (February 11, 2012 at 11:10 am): “I could use a holiday. Maybe I’ll watch ‘The Day after Tomorrow’ and marvel at the top-of-troposphere air blown down to the ground so quickly it doesn’t have a chance to warm up.”
Which also got the South Park treatment, in one of their best episodes:
http://southpark-zone.blogspot.com/2008/01/s9-two-days-before-day-after-tomorrow.html
The History Channel has had some good stuff in the past, like “How the Earth Was Made”, but now it has a lower signal-to-noise ratio than climate science…

Robin Hewitt

So this man doesn’t know where the methane ‘pocket’ is but thinks it will hit San Diego?
I thought the aliens, asteroids, giant apes, dinosaurs etc. automatically homed in on New York, Metropolis and Gotham City.
A refreshing change but it makes you want to sneak up behind him, whisper “clathrate” and see if he hits his forehead.

Two points: 1. there’s nothing wrong with the climate, and 2. CO2 has nothing, or effectively nothing, to do with it.
Elaboration on Point 1: current temperatures, and rates of temperature change, are not unusual. The fabricated hockey stick graph, which the ipcc used to falsely claim that current temps are wildly high, has been fully debunked.
On CO2 and Point # 2: every American should see at least this short ~ 3 minute video on CO2 which also shows Al Gore engaging in the pivotal deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg

dtbronzich

Revisionist history channel. There’s no evidence that methane caused the Permian extinction; this is, at best a hypothesis, at worst, rank speculation. And as it’s methane, rank is the right word.

George Kominiak

MMMMM, for a few minutes, let’s give the good Professor the benefit of the doubt. Let’s assume that his thesis is totally correst. What then, does he propose to do about it and how much will his follow-up “research project” cost???
G.

Edim

http://oilandenergyinvestor.com/2012/02/energy-crisis-looming-in-the-european-deep-freeze/
It’s getting worse in the Balkans. The rivers are completely frozen (ice is closed and not moving). We are getting new snow over the weekend.
The biggest daily paper in Bosnia has a big story about cooling, new ice age, climategate! This is the first time I see skeptical article in MSM here.

According to the UK’s Dept of Environment, higher rainfall in winter will lead to floods, and there will be droughts in summer. They obviously have not bothered to check with the Met Office..
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/rainfall-trends-in-england-and-wales/#more-786

Louise

Yet the Kara and Barents Seas are unusually ice free http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/02/barentsz-and-kara.html

Nerd

(Giorgio A. Tsoukalos in his voice) Who started this thread? The Aliens….
Who caused the warming?… The Aliens.
Who caused the rise of CO2?…. The Aliens
Where did Mann, Phil, and Hansen get their data from?… The Aliens
Who invented the hockey stick? …. The Aliens

Lark

I’ve seen charts of CO2 and temperature over geological history; is there such a thing for air pressure?
The only atmospheric pressure proxy I can find was an estimation from gas bubbles in basalt which is intended for paeloaltimetry and seems to assume current air pressure. I guess that if you found basalts formed across the sea/air boundary you could date them, estimate their sea-level pressures and then graph it.
Very large and flying dinosaurs seem to require higher air pressure than ours. If so, how much has it changed, what caused the changes, is the change continuing, is there a possibility it might change back…? These questions interest me; they might even be important. Is this not studied because it is harder than measuring CO2 and temp – a case of looking for keys under the street light? -Or because it’s known that it’s always been the way it is now?
If anyone can point me to a discussion of this, I would be much obliged.

kbray in california

If this theory is correct, then I can see those methane bubbles injected into food,
as a self-cooking process.
Everything becomes “Shake and Bake”, no oven or grill needed.
Instant Bar-B-Que via a “flash flame”, no messy charcoal either!
Great for camping or the third world.
Easy on the bumpy roads and the brake lights though,
pre-ignition in the trunk would be best avoided.
Alas… so many ideas, so little time…

Jurgen

Icy winters were bygones for a while in Holland, but it looks like they are returning again. There was a record low of -23 C in one spot and even lots of ice on the shallow coastal sea in the North. For over a week a complete ice skate-frenzy took over here, as we have miles upon miles of waterways everywhere.
Well, being an ice skate lover myself, I feel if winters like this are still around, AGW isn’t that bad after all… as long as the oceans don’t start burning…

DirkH

JDN says:
February 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm
“I keep reading that India is going to try thorium-based nuclear reactors. However, I don’t think GE or Westinghouse even have a prototype under design. This makes me think it’s not workable for some reason, even though India & China have allegedly approved construction. I did a little searching and couldn’t find much. Does anyone have something that looks like a technical analysis of a prototype thorium reactor?”
The Indians have a pretty new research facility where they develop their own Thorium tech; but not LFTR but solid rods.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/feb/16/china-nuclear-thorium
Sorensen:
http://energyfromthorium.com/2011/01/30/china-initiates-tmsr/
The leader of the project is the elder son of former president of China, Jiang Zemin.
2010: Indian Thorium program goes critical!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5DiTPw3dk
The Chinese have also licensed the German HTR technology. This was designed to build small reactors with a small enclosure to be positioned right within industrial areas. It’s inherently safe insofar as Fukushima style accidents can’t occur; no runaway warming when cooling fails.
Scroll down to see a photo of the prototype plant that to my knowledge still stands in the research facility in Jülich:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTR

DirkH

How to make your own nuclear reactor at home. Make your own Plutonium!

old44

“periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas… enough to cause global catastrophe on a regular basis!”
I worked with that bloke once.

Anthony Scalzi

Nerd says:
February 11, 2012 at 12:49 pm
(Giorgio A. Tsoukalos in his voice) Who started this thread? The Aliens
This post is useless without a picture.
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/158326

e k johnson

I’m more worried about the giant planet eating aliens which “might”, “may”, “could”, new research suggests, come and eat our planet and all the people on it. I am trying to save your children, your grand-children, from this threat. But we need to raise money to fight the deniers, they are all paid by the aliens.

Craig Moore

All we need is for Sheldon to pop up and shout , “BAZINGA!!!” http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPXkhcaj8VwoJriM4B_KO_msvffHEtv7ae4TtH0lG1CwQLi6k9Qbv9NT03

Harold Ambler

A pet peeve: People googling me with wiki in search field wind up on realclimate, due to some low-level hijinx on its administrators’ part and a terrifying lack of fame on my part: http://bit.ly/xb5s35

nc

This is about regular meetings between Washington State and British Columbia. Just thought I would bring forward a couple of topics. I like the low carbon energy part seeing as BC is an exporter of oil, natural gas and coal and we have a carbon tax. We have it all.
BC And Washington Announce 2012 Action Plan
•specific actions to better align and maximize opportunities for energy efficiency, clean transportation, and low-carbon energy including natural gas.
http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/23200/1/bc+and+washington+announce+2012+action+plan?

Nerd
Anthony Scalzi

Much Better. 🙂

Myrrh

http://devconsultancygroup.blogspot.com/2012/02/ipcc-receives-further-credibility-blow.html
IPCC receives a further credibility blow: Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner resigns as expert reviewer
The problems to IPCC never seems to end. Vahrenholt, the high profile German scientist made headlines last week:
‘The IPCC is more of a political than a scientific body. As a rapporteur on renewable energy, I witnessed how thin the factual basis is for predictions that are made at the IPCC.”
Now a Swedish scientist quits the IPCC. Here’s the letter Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner faxed the IPCC:
I hereby resign as expert-reviewer of Chapter 13: Sea Level Changes. I do this for two reasons:

Alcheson

I suggest we rapidly and immensely expand oil and gas drilling in the ocean. That way we relieve the dangerous buildup of methane and save the world plus we get the added benefit of reduced energy prices for all!

Ric the Elder

I like THC’s motto: “Made up every day.”

H.R.

Harold Ambler says:
February 11, 2012 at 2:10 pm
A pet peeve: People googling me with wiki in search field wind up on realclimate, due to some low-level hijinx on its administrators’ part and a terrifying lack of fame on my part: http://bit.ly/xb5s35

LOL!!!!!! Made my weekemd Harold!
Best regards,
H.R.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Russian scientists reach lake under Antarctica
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV | Associated Press – Thu, Feb 9, 2012

Lukin said about 1.5 cubic meters (50 cubic feet) of kerosene and freon poured up to the surface from the boreshaft, proof that the lake water streamed up from beneath, froze, and blocked the hole.

FREON?! They were releasing FREON right below the OZONE HOLE?
And Seth Borenstein contributed to the piece? Without ANY mention of possible ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE from added OZONE DEPLETION?
Where Is The Outrage?! The TV warms me of the environmental dangers from just the CFC’s used as a blowing agent in making the foam insulation of the old refrigerators, demanding that insulation be properly recycled or bad things will happen. And the Russkies got a free pass on using FREON? Where Is The ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE When It’s REALLY NEEDED?

NetDr

The collapse of the Man-Made Myth continues apace. You may not read headlines as such (at least not in major dailies) but all the signs are there.
People who we never would have imagined speaking against the Big Scare Campaign are now doing so. Key glaciers are not melting and corals are happy. Governments won’t tell you it’s over, but they are behaving that way (the Australian one excepted, due to an election fluke that gave the Greens the balance of power). The Catholic Herald headlined it: Is the ‘anthropogenic global warming’ consensus on the point of collapse?
Source Barchart.
The last year of carbon trading in EUR’s continues to fall. (Click to enlarge).
Mini update: The carbon market is being referred to as “dead”. Johannes Teyssen, chief executive of Germany’s EON, urged policymakers to make fixes. “Let’s talk real: the ETS is bust, it’s dead,” Mr Teyssen said in Brussels this week, adding: “I don’t know a single person in the world that would invest a dime based on ETS signals.” [full story: Financial Times]. Point Carbon analysts have downgraded the forecast price of carbon credits for the second time in two months as the carbon market continues to slide. What was estimated to be 12 Euros, has fallen to 9 euros for 2012, and 8 euro’s for 2013. It’s a long way below $23, set by our Australian “free-market-lovin’-Labor-Party”. (If only they knew what a free market was.)

dp

Louise says:
February 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Yet the Kara and Barents Seas are unusually ice free

With nothing to retain the heat there it must be getting very cold.