We all know how the warmists like to avoid debating at all costs. In this case, the easily agitated to effervescence – blow your top Romm was aptly represented at a “Drinks and Debate” in Washington, DC by the perfect debate proxy stand in.
Myron Ebell of globalwarming.org explains in his post:
I and several of my CEI colleagues were looking forward to an informal debate late Friday afternoon on energy policy sponsored by McKinsey and Company, the global consulting firm. As part of their “Drinks and Debate” series, McKinsey’s Washington, DC office invited David Kreutzer of the Heritage Foundation and Joe Romm of the Center for American Progress’s Climate Progress blog to make some remarks and then take questions from an audience of around 40 people representing all shades of the political spectrum.
It sounded like a lot of fun because Romm often seems enraged and slightly deranged in his frequent blog posts, but unfortunately Romm cancelled at the last minute. Our host explained that Romm had pulled out without giving a reason and that his side of the debate would be represented by a bottle of Corona Light.
It was still fun: David Kreutzer gave an engaging and stimulating presentation, as he always does, and the bottle of Corona Light proved to be more rational and less misleading than Romm.
Romm was invited.
Romm chose to take the piss.
Replacement was a bottle of Corona Light.
Sounds about right.
So what was was the bottle’s reaction when you asked it what it was doing to control its own carbon dioxide emissions? Did it froth up, or quiet down and go flat?
Corona is a fitting stand in for Romm as both improve in taste with added lemon.
Excellent choice of stand in.
Here in the UK we have a panel programme called “Have I got News for you” with selected guests answering questions on the news – some years ago an overweight politician dropped out at the last min – and they replaced him with a tub of Lard (animal fat for cooking)
(not sure if “lard” crosses the pond?? – forgive me if it does)
Romm and Cola?
Corona Lite.
Possibly the worst beer in the world.
Romm represented by the worlds worst beer. About right.
Beer typically has a good head on top. Romm… ????
The idea of replying to questions always seems to scare off the warmists.
Romm skipped out on yet another debate? Guess the planet does not need saving today, 😉
A bottle of kronenberg 1664 might have also worked.
One occasionally meets someone who looks 64 but has the mentality of a sixteen year old
pity they didn’t use Coors as well to represent Romm:
COORS + BEER = CO2 + ER-ER + BS
According to ratebeer.com, Olde English 800 3.2 is the worst beer.
Carbonated Drinks science
http://foodscienceproductdevelopment.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/beverage-graph.jpg
appears to be more technically advanced to the
Carbonated Atmosphere science
http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/measuring_co2_1.jpg
sad to report i heard Corona was all froth and no substance…ah yes a fitting stand in:-)
Seems fair. Doesn’t Romm favor bottle cap & trade? Carbon dioxide sequestration?
Lard crosses the pond, Doug. Only some of us old folks have used it and even older folks have rendered it from the animal (pig).
This should at least make them think …
Just as the derivative f'(x) and second derivative f”(x)can tell you what’s happening with the principal function f(x) so too we can learn from plots of the gradient of the temperature and the trend of that gradient as shown in the yellow line in the plot at the foot of my Home page at http://climate-change-theory.com
There we see an apparent long-term trend which is decreasing slightly in its rate of increase, This fits with the concept of a cyclic pattern with maximum in the 12th century, minimum in the 17th century and future maximum in the 22nd century, minimum in 27th century, roughly anyway.
The plot also shows a very clear shorter cyclic pattern which has obviously been the cause of all the debate. Just take a look at it all and draw your own conclusions. Remember, the plot is not a plot of temperatures but instead it is a plot of the gradients of moving 30 year trend lines.
Fitting since had Romm showed it would have barley made a difference. Kreutzer would have had a slam dunk over Romm because Romm just doesn’t have the hops.
…I’m sorry.
They have obvioulsy never drank Koch’s Golden Anniversary beer.
Isn’t it ridiculous to make a 3.2 malt liqour? The only reason to drink the stuff is to get hammered quickly and cheaply.
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According to ratebeer.com, Olde English 800 3.2 is the worst beer.
Doug UK says:
February 10, 2012 at 1:27 am
I’m afraid it does, apology accepted. We know what haggis is too, but
generally use it in “haggis throw” competitions before Scottish festivals.
Mark Smith says:
February 10, 2012 at 3:03 am
How about “Olde Frothingslosh, the Pale Ale for the Pale Stale Male?” It started as a long-running joke from Pittsburgh radio jockey Regis Cordic about a beer brand “so light, the foam’s on the bottom”. One of the selling points was that it was brewed from hippity-hops on the banks of the Upper Crudney in Lower Slobbovia.”
Iron City beer started canning some of their beer as Olde Frothingslosh during the Christmas season.
Yes, Olde Frothingslosh.
http://www.rustycans.com/HISTORY/oldfroth.html
Sad to report i heard Corona was all froth and no substance We know what haggis is too, but
generally use it in “haggis throw” competitions before Scottish festivals.
“Iron City beer started canning some of their beer as Olde Frothingslosh during the Christmas season.”
Can’t drink any more due to the relization that I have too much Cherokee in the
McCoy woodpile, but an old friend gave me a sixpack of Iron City once never
forgot that…
It is quite extraordinary that from what can be gauged that 99% climate scientist refuse any debates on the issue. I think MOnckton was one of the few to debate a climate scientist once in Australia. LOL
It got me thinking… we need a new beer drinking game, “global warming bingo”. Every time an alarmist is speaking in defense of CAGW and uses a word or phrase commonly associated with perpetuating/defending the hoax you have to take a gulp and circle it on your bingo card. When you get bingo you have to declare it and buy the next round.
We need to start building a list. I’ll start it off with:
** CONSENSUS
** POSITIVE FEEDBACK
** UNPRECEDENTED
** JAMES HANSEN
** TREE RING
** EXTINCTION
** 97%
** DENIER
** EXTREME
** ACIDIFICATION
** CAP AND TRADE
** KOCH BROTHERS
** EXXON
** TOBACCO
** MARSHALL INSTITUTE
** POLLUTION
…..
Good thing he didn’t use a real beer, with cahoonas, such as theakston’s old peculiar he may have stood up rigorous debate.
Really? They’re still trying that, “We’re going to ignore the skeptics to show how little we regard their arguments and THAT will keep them from achieving any sort of mainstream notice or acceptance” ? Yeah Joe, that was 2005. Guess what… running away from the debate now has exactly the opposite effect. It’s a bummer, I know.
“the bottle of Corona Light proved to be more rational and less misleading than Romm.”
Post like this need a beverage moment warning!
MikeM…
GREATER THAN WE EXPECTED
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Ric Werme says:
February 10, 2012 at 5:29 am
How about “Olde Frothingslosh, the Pale Ale for the Pale Stale Male?” It started as a long-running joke from Pittsburgh radio jockey Regis Cordic about a beer brand “so light, the foam’s on the bottom”.
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Heh-heh. Yeah, that has to be the worst tasting “beer”. IIRC the cans had the logo “The pale stale ale with the foam on the bottom”. Of course, after a couple, it wasn’t so bad…
Another disgusting “beer” was HoppinGator. Pffffttt…
Personally I would have used a series of diet coke bottles with Mentos poised to drop in, and every time a valid point against CAGW was made drop a Mentos into the diet coke. The resulting eruption would perfectly stand in for the effervescent Romm. /snarc
Another bad proxy!
Must keep an Ill Tempered Gnome around for such occasions.
Romm and Koch
(Kochs attended MIT also and since I have met 2 of them and their dad Fred, i still do not know how many pronounce Koch like the brothers do (Coke) )
According to the N&Z Universal Theory of Climate Science Wild Ass Guesses (UTCSWAG) that pressurized bottle of CO2 should be warm. Romm is never warm. His rhetoric is impossibly overheated at most times, too. Clearly another case where the proxy does not properly represent the observed physical world.
In Romm’s case, would not Castlemaine XXXX be more appropriate?
BTW It is so called because Australian’s find it too difficult to spell ‘B E E R’
(joke)
Reminds me of the time my pastor challenged the head of the FCC to a debate and when he did not show up our pastor substituted a watermelon in his stead on national television.
This seems like a good thread for an off-topic post. I am looking for something along the lines of a timeline of our AWARENESS of global warming. I think we all agree that the world has been in a warming phase since about 1850…..but when did people first become aware that this was something more than just a couple of slightly warm years? And who noticed it first? Scientists? Farmers? Overcoat manufacturers? Then when did it first begin to be quantified etc….?
If anyone has any good sources along these lines I will be quite reasonably appreciative. Thanks.
RWS, your question is excellent, and please let me commend in particular the American Institute of Physics (AIP) website “The Discovery of Global Warming“, together with the (many!) historical references therein.
This same AIP site provides excellent summaries (again with numerous references) of the fundamental physics of heat transport.
Al Gore is large but Romm is lager. GK
Koch as “coke” is the German pronunciation. There are a number of people, who, for historical reasons that started during the 1st World War, have avoided the German pronunciation.
Warmists keep calling for debates that never happen. They are much more comfortable on late night shows where they can amuse an ill-educated comedian. That is their caliber.
Off Topic:
But,,,withstading the use of free speech herein:
Heads Up: http://www.epic.org/foia/epic-v-dhs-media-monitoring/
RWS, wheat yields in northern Canada.
a(lleged) physicist:
Proselytizing?
The bottle should have been shaken first- more likely to blow it’s top…
Joe “Tiny Bubbles” Romm.
Because size matters.
“We all know how the warmists like to avoid debating at all costs.” It’s true because they know they will lose. For some years a Montreal radio station (Roy Green Show) had a standing offer of unlimited air time to anyone that would debate with me – there were no takers.
I had a debate in Calgary a couple of years ago, but it confirmed what I suspected. If someone is willing to debate it usually means they don’t know or understand the science or the political machinations.
Some have declined to debate with me using the reason (excuse) that the debate is over. This is the same as saying the science is settled.
For those of us old enough to remember and tried it, THE worst beer ever made is Billy Beer !!!
An old joke from the time, A man wanted to know what was in Billy beer sent a sample to a lab for testing. The next week the answer came in the mail, it said, Congratulations, your horse is pregnant!
I have an unopened can of Billy Beer in the cupboard and I’ve no doubt it is as good today as it ever was.
@ MIke M
…
BIG OIL
PEAK OIL
SUSTAINABILITY
UNSUSTAINABLE
SEA LEVELS
ICE CAPS
POLAR BEARS
FUTURE GENERATIONS
ALL IN THIS TOGETHER
GLACIERS
EVIL REPUBLICANS
…
An appropriate substitute. Shake a beer, open it, and it foams at the ‘mouth’, quite similar to Romm. And full of CO2.
As for the worst beer? Hardly. Granted, if I was lost in the desert, dying of thirst, and came across a bottle of Corona Light, I’d have to think about it. Makes Miller Lite tase good. But worst of all?
Buckhorn. During the mid-70’s, when sugar prices shot up, a sixpack of Coke cost $2.79. A sixpack of Buckhorn cost 79 cents. It was overpriced.
@MikeM and others.
How can you overlook “ROBUST”
Worst beers in the world? Back in the 70’s the Navy Exchange in Taiwan sold a Hawaiian beer that came in a larger can and had a greenish tinge when poured in a glass. None of the haole would drink the stuff. I don’t drink T’sing Dao (Ching Dao) because it has a sweet under-taste that I’m pretty sure is attributable to the fact(?) that it is brewed from the water of a river that flows through some of the most populous provinces in China. Taiwan Beer is definitiely an acquired taste… it was rumored to be made with 25% rice and had a rather high formaldehyde content.
The best beer was San Miguel brewed in Hong Kong, of all places.
Why is Corona Light like making love in a canoe?
It’s f***ing near water!
Fin du Monde
I didn’t know that. The collateral enlightenment I glean from this site is simply astounding!
I wonder how many know that the correct pronunciation of Dick Cheney’s last name is ‘Chee-nee’ not ‘Chay-nee’ as LSM misled everyone into pronouncing it?
I want a beer,
Just like the beer,
That BURIED dear old dad…
The lager industry promoted beers as ‘cold filtered’ and increased sales. The climate industry filtered cold and increased warming. It’s all just marketing. What I don’t understand is if CO2 is so deadly, why haven’t artificially carbonated drinks been banned or taxed into oblivion?
Real, proper ale?
Who here has tried that gloriously ruby hued brew, Old Peculier, made by the Theakston brewery?
It would have been a stalwart adversary!
@ Robert E. Phelan
Why did Hong Kong’s San Mig taste so good? Their wells went down 5,000 feet to the sweetest water you could imagine!
I went on a number of Police ‘inspections’ of that brewery when it was located in Shum Cheng where the wells were. The brewery re-located to Siu Lek Yuen and the quality of the beer suffered accordingly.
As far as I know, San Mig is the only bottler of beer to print the date of bottling on each label, using the advertising theme that it’s the ‘freshest beer you can buy’.
It still tastes GREAT though!
George Monbiot pulled out of a debate with Prof Ian Plimer in 2009 at Church House Westminster (UK) with 600 people in the audience, Andrew Neill in the chair. We were well entertained by Plimer. Monbiot had claimed Plimer hadn’t answered certain questions Monbiot had put to him by email beforehand. So if these questions were so devastating why not ask them before 600 people and win the argument? Because he knew he couldn’t.
Doug UK says:
February 10, 2012 at 1:27 am
(not sure if “lard” crosses the pond?? – forgive me if it does)
Only if the wind or currents are going in the right direction. 🙂
grayman says:
February 10, 2012 at 10:01 am
For those of us old enough to remember and tried it, THE worst beer ever made is Billy Beer !!!
Wasn’t going to chime in, but looks like I had a very misspent youth. Unfortunately, I’ve (at least) tried all of the winners so far: Old English 800, IC, Billy Beer, and the gawdawfull Hopingator (so bad I don’t care if it’s spelled right). I have one more nomination. A local beer from Pennsylvania called Horseshoe Curve beer (after the famous railroad curve). We called it Horsep*ss beer. It sucked.
One HUGE problem with the bottle, however. If it represents Romm, it should be EMPTY. Cap off; suds gone, nothing but potential recyclability come the next election.
It would also help if the bottle were on it’s side, the cap next to it, and a burp heard in the distance.
That would be Romm.
Ric Werme says:
February 10, 2012 at 5:29 am
How about “Olde Frothingslosh, . . .
There’s a bunch of old folks reading here!
Mostly, we drank Schmidt’s of Philadelphia (now gone) in 16 ounce bottles. But Christmas always included cans of Olde Frothingslosh.
Rege Cordic died in 1999.
http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990418cordic9.asp
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Mike M says:
February 10, 2012 at 6:18 am
It got me thinking… we need a new beer drinking game . . .
How about a song – here’s a start: “Good Luck to the Barley Mow”
http://www.chivalry.com/cantaria/lyrics/barleymow.html
Mow (sounds like cow) is a storage (barn) for hay, usually.
“Koch” I’ve heard owners of that name pronounce the name as Cook and also sometimes Kotch.
I believe the German pronunciation of “Koch” would be a softer “ch”, not a hard “k” at the end. Kind of like the verb, wochen. I could be wrong though.
And just to set the record straight, all beer is horrible.
😉
Sorry, mean wochen as a noun, meaning “weeks”
Alarmists (such as Romm) lard their arguments with many hops (regardless of preferred beer brand), skips (all honest debate) and jumps (to on message conclusions).
Any “beer” with the word Light in the title should be avoided at all costs. To this English palate they all taste the same, i.e. of nothing at all. You Americans do lots of things very well, it’s just that brewing isn’t really one of them, although I’ll make an honourable exception in the case of Anchor Steam bitter, my beer of choice when I’m in the Bay Area.
For Stephen Brown, I agree about Old Peculier and would make a case for Robinson’s Old Tom too. Nowadays, being more of a cider drinker, I go for Weston’s Old Rosie, which has a consistency which veers from light and clear to looking not unlike industrial effluent (but still tasting like proper scrumpy).
I guess as I get older I appreciate more ‘Old’ things. Maybe I dislike ‘Light’ things as I’m not so light these days.
Actually Corona Lite was originally an interesting flavored and surprisingly strong beer, but that was long ago. Maybe six years ago I bought a twelve pack and quickly drank the whole thing with a girlfriend and we both looked at each other, stoned sober and said, what is wrong with this swill?
They ruined the recipe.
Why the lemon slice with Corona?
I’ve always heard it is done to keep the flies away from the beer, but after tasting Corona, I decided the flies could have it.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060825070315AAeGFwX
the beer has more value ounce for ounce than what it stood in for.
and Doug UK says:
February 10, 2012 at 1:27 am
yes some of us still use it here because it is more healthy for you than most other fats that can be used. I use it every day.