Latest extortion attempt from Durban COP17: $1.6 Trillion

Gosh. Who knew that a massive tax could solve all imagined climate problems?

David L. Hagen writes:

The UN is demanding control over $1.6 trillion per year to control climate. See Section 47 in draft # FCCC/AWGLCA/2011/CRP.39 9 December 2011 #GE.11-71576 at: http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/crp39.pdf

47.  The provision of the amount of funds to be made available annually to developing country Parties, which shall be equivalent to the budget that developed countries spend on defence, security, and warfare. Fifty per cent of that amount shall be for adaptation, 20 per cent for mitigation, 15 per cent for technology development and transfer and 15 per cent for forest-related actions in developing country Parties;

See Reuters: Worldwide military spending edged up in 2010 to a record $1.6 trillion, a leading think-tank said on Monday. Source: Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s military expenditure database. http://www.sipri.org/research/armaments/milex/research/armaments/milex/milex_database . . .

Until then, the immediate urgent task is to provide alternative fuels while caring for the poor.Conventional climate mitigation comes in dead last in benefit/cost.”

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Latitude

These guys are really inept….
…I could control the climate for 1/2 that

Kaboom

They can have $1.60, final offer

Louise

I followed the links and wasn’t able to spot where the UN demanded control over $1.6 trillion – could you please quote the relevant text?
TIA

d

Its just a matter of time before it becomes clear to all that money, greed , power and control is a major facter in “climate change”

The EU has wasted over 1/4 billion Euro on propping up the european carbon market already. That cash could have rebuilt all coal fired generating plant with filters and reduced co2 emissions 30%.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/ubs-report-europes-287bn-carbon-waste/

Richard Sharpe

Louise says on December 10, 2011 at 9:05 am

I followed the links and wasn’t able to spot where the UN demanded control over $1.6 trillion – could you please quote the relevant text?
TIA

It follows logically from:

47. The provision of the amount of funds to be made available annually to developing country Parties, which shall be equivalent to the budget that developed countries spend on defence, security, and warfare. Fifty per cent of that amount shall be for adaptation, 20 per cent for mitigation, 15 per cent for technology development and transfer and 15 per cent for forest-related actions in developing country Parties;

and

See Reuters: Worldwide military spending edged up in 2010 to a record $1.6 trillion, a leading think-tank said on Monday. Source: Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s military expenditure database. http://www.sipri.org/research/armaments/milex/research/armaments/milex/milex_database . . .

I gather that a hoax document has been circulating at Durban… the BBC was taken in (no surprise there then) but admitted as much at lunchtime news today. I suggest we take care about all this.

phinnie the woo

well let them have it, the mechanism is very peculiar and all ways lead to Rome :
1.99% of that trillion disappears in various cleptocrats’ pockets
2.the cleptocrats buy funds with bonds, from financial wizzards
3.these bond buyers go for the highest and safest returns on the market
4.the highest and safest returns are with the countries that do not subscribe to this mess
5.the rest collapses slowly like pieces of glaciers in a hot polar sea
6.so in the end all the money and power ends up where it should.
gaiia cares about you
Hv a nice day, for the rest (eat a banana or something, but remember to put off the peel)

JustaMom

Louise,
…” which shall be equivalent to the budget that developed countries spend on defence, security, and warfare”…
How much is that?
Follow the links provided.
Then watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs
If we are going to spend money to solve problems…lets start with real ones first.

Joe Crawford

It’s a rather sad statement about by the human race in general, but, “money, greed , power and control” are the driving factors in most things. The objective is to corral those and steer them into something useful for the general public without doing too much damage from the always present unintended consequences.

J.H.

Louse…… It’s in section 47….. you must have missed reading that bit….:-) Pretty nutty stuff if you ask me.

Curiousgeorge

It’s time to send some ‘family’ guys over to the UN to make them an offer they can’t refuse.

John M

I think it’s quite clear now why some folks love “consensus” so much.
“The convention operates by consensus, and the package will not be put up for a vote.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iJqoXEe6pnFE0rqNqFQCTFxjLodw?docId=ac792149118f4fc9b8b0d3e330f579fb

Ed Scott

The Messiah of the United States has lowered the sea level, so the compaints about the sea level rising are without merit.
UN/IPCC “scientists” should draw-up plans for capping Carbon Dioxide sources such as Mauna Loa – now experiencing a series of tremors which creates fear of an explosive eruption – and Mount Etna, not to mention Katla and Eyjafjallajokull (five times rapidly) in Iceland.
Actually, this would be a project more suitable to the expertise of Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu, of white-wash the Earth fame.
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States imperilled by warming rebel at climate talks
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/10/worldupdates/2011-12-10T053052Z_5_TRE7B81MV_RTROPTT_0_UK-CLIMATE&sec=Worldupdates
Scientists say those promises are not yet enough to limit global warming to the two degrees Celsius judged necessary to stave off the most devastating effects of climate change.
U.N. reports released in the last month show time is running out. A warming planet has already intensified droughts and floods, increased crop failures and sea levels could rise to levels that would submerge several small island nations.
The protracted talks frustrated delegates from small islands and African states, who joined a protest by green groups outside as they tried to enter the main negotiating room.
“You need to save us, the islands can’t sink. We have a right to live, you can’t decide our destiny. We will have to be saved,” Maldives climate negotiator Mohamed Aslam said.

Philip Foster says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:23 am

“I gather that a hoax document has been circulating at Durban… the BBC was taken in (no surprise there then) but admitted as much at lunchtime news today….”

Philp, can you be more specific? What was the document? What was the hoax? What, specifically, did the BBC admit? Any links?

Louise

So you all think the word ‘invite’ actually means ‘demand’ – wow, I knew there were some differences between American and British English but I’d missed that one.

To Philip Foster
Re he fake document. The doc cited above is posted by the UNFCC at
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/crp39.pdf

Otter

Considering what Oh!Bummer! spent (sorry, Wasted) in ONE year, he should have no probs whatsoever shelling out 1.6 Trillion.

Brian Johnson uk

Surely if there is a financial crisis and countries are seeing many of their workers being laid off does anyone know how many UN bureaucrats/politicians/advisors/lobbyists will be ‘let go’?
Just heard a pin drop so I take it that’s NONE then?

Leon Brozyna

It’s never been about the climate.
It’s always been about us uppity peasants having a life style too similar to that of our “betters”. What’s the point of having a mansion and a house by the shore, if us peasants can have the same thing, albeit on a smaller scale … central heating, electricity 24/7 on demand, flat screen TV’s, cell phones, iPads. Heck, us peasants have even destroyed that special province of the elite … air travel … till it’s as bad as traveling by Greyhound bus. And don’t even start on National Parks with all those swarms of peasants ruining the splendor of Nature at her finest.

Grant Foster (who is often masquerading as Tamino ) statistician and a pretend climate scientist published a paper
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/6/4/044022/pdf/1748-9326_6_4_044022.pdf
in time for Durban. His graph (Fig.5, page 3) is rubbish, and the paper absolute nonsense.

björn

This “fake document” is interesting. The BBC underscores how obviously fake it was which makes me believe it may be real. Does anyone know more?

Ed Scott

I failed to properly address the concern over islands sinking. The Messiah only has control over rising sea levels, not sinking land.
I agree that they have a right to live and we can’t decide their destiny, but neither can they decide our destiny and their destiny is their responsibility as is our destiny our responsibility.
That they have to be saved is a dependency welcomed by the omnipotent Messiah of the United States.
How many US$ trillions do you need. Its only printed paper.
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“You need to save us, the islands can’t sink. We have a right to live, you can’t decide our destiny. We will have to be saved,” Maldives climate negotiator Mohamed Aslam said.

u.k.(us)

Latitude says:
December 10, 2011 at 8:58 am
These guys are really inept….
…I could control the climate for 1/2 that
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LOL

Downdraft

We need to pull out of the U.N. before some liberal, gullible, know-it-all, inexperienced, nanny-state U.S. President decides we should actually do something the U.N. wants us to do, like spreading the wealth by forking over what he/she thinks is our “fair share” for world governance.
Oops.

Bloke down the pub

47. The provision of the amount of funds to be made available annually to developing country Parties, which shall be equivalent to the budget that developed countries spend on defence, security, and warfare.
Note that that is the amount spent by developed countries on defence, not the $1.6 trillion spent worldwide. Either way that’s a lot to spend on parties even for the UN.

For all you WUWTers who have been envying the denizens of Canada for the stance of our great leader, Stephen Harper, in refusing to sign on to the Durban nonsense, take consolation. The green energy policies of “Premier Dad” of Ontario, the sanctimonious Dalton McGuinty who has never heard of a progressive cause that he will turn down, are going to bankrupt the province and impoverish Ontarians. We’re right up there with California and the UK in terms of ridiculous, expensive and destructive renewable energy policies.
As Lawrence Solomon writes in today’s Financial Post:
“According to a peer-reviewed study earlier this year by University of Guelph economist Glenn Fox and retired banker Parker Gallant, two Energy Probe directors, by 2018 the average ratepayer’s annual electricity bill will exceed $4,000, making Ontario one of the highest-cost electricity jurisdictions in the developed world.”
Solomon, a long-time opponent of nuclear power, at least concedes that ‘renewables’ are a far worse monster in terms of money down the drain for rate-payers. See:
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/12/09/lawrence-solomon-the-green-goliath-takes-on-nuclear/
At least Harper, who is a keen ‘policy wonk’ and numbers man, won’t further drag us down by signing Canada on to this UN extortion scheme.

John M

“17. Reduce global greenhouse gas emissions more than 100 per cent by 2040 by Annex
I Parties”
Huh?

Peter Miller

Assuming the story is true, can you imagine the amount of money that would be annually ‘liberated’ from this fund, and then ending up in Swiss banks deposited there by the Third World’s despotic and ‘progressive’ leaders?
Probably enough to save the Euro – and that is a very, very, very large sum of money.

RockyRoad

States imperilled by warming rebel at climate talks

They’re not “imperrilled by warming’… They’re pissed they weren’t able to employ their pirate status and hold up the West.
This could all have an interesting backlash–I’ve been supportive of relief efforts to 3rd-world countries, not because of any “climate change” impact the West has caused, but because they deserve to drink clean water, have better medical treatment, and live in relative safety. Since the governments of these countries are participating COP pirates, I’m far less likely to support other programs that might benefit them.

Anthony Watts says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:54 am
………..
Hi Anthony
Grant Foster states ‘To characterize the solar influence on temperature we use the total solar irradiance (TSI) data from Fr¨ohlich (2006) …. and using monthly sunspot numbers
as a proxy for solar activity rather than TSI …..’

No one has accurately quantified solar contribution. This CET component when there is the highest insolation: http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SSN-T.htm shows that for 300 years the solar is the only major contribution.
I challenged him on RC to explain what the temperature would look like if the solar was removed. He failed to respond directly, came back masquerading as Tamino accused me of falsifying the data, which I emailed to dr. Eric Steig, so that line of attack failed, then he resulted to vulgar insults, which were subsequently removed by mod. Jim.
So I maintain his graph is rubbish, let him come and defend it.

pat

Someone keep Obama away from the checkbook.

Theo Goodwin

Joe Crawford says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:28 am
“It’s a rather sad statement about by the human race in general, but, “money, greed , power and control” are the driving factors in most things. The objective is to corral those and steer them into something useful for the general public without doing too much damage from the always present unintended consequences.”
Without additional clauses that specify individual liberties as inviolable rights of the individual against his government and the sovereignty of nation states you fall right into communism or its precursor the EU.

Louise says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:41 am

“So you all think the word ‘invite’ actually means ‘demand’ – wow, I knew there were some differences between American and British English but I’d missed that one.”

I don’t think that we “all” do think that, but I do think that the word “demand” fairly accurately reflects the language used in the quoted text, namely, “The provision of the amount of funds to be made available annually to developing country Parties,..” [my emphasis, WHS”]
The word “invites” was used in par. 46 (and only there), but it seems to me that it does not take away from and is to be taken separate from the demand expressed in par. 47 that was quoted in the lead-in comment, above.

46. Invites developed country Parties to submit information on plans to increase their financial contributions, as fulfilment of their commitments under the Convention, and further invites developing country Parties to submit information on the costs of adaptation and mitigation actions in their countries;

Par. 47 states a demand.

cirby

Remember, it’s no longer about Global Warming.
Er – Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Um – Climate Change?
Climate Uncertainty!
No, wait – it’s “Climate Justice”. That’s the current one, since all of the others have sorta failed.
That’s it. “Climate Justice” (which I first heard during the Cancun meeting last year, when there was record cold outside, and the delegates were pissed off because the “warming” wasn’t warm).
By this time next year, we’re going to be in “Global Cooling” again.

Theo Goodwin

Curiousgeorge says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:34 am
“It’s time to send some ‘family’ guys over to the UN to make them an offer they can’t refuse.”
That might be necessary. Better our mafia than the UN mafia. However, it is the duty of our federal government to protect its citizens against hoodlums, like the UN, that are out to wreak devastation on our sovereign nation.

pat says:
December 10, 2011 at 10:14 am

“Someone keep Obama away from the checkbook.”

Oh, come on now. There is no possible way his account can be overdrawn. He’s got a lot of checks left to fill out in his checkbook.

Joachim Seifert

Why not make a deal?
When measurements in a couple of years will prove that CO2 and emissions do not increase present temps, then there was no just obligation to pay and we want our money back …which is fair and everyone will clearly agree to that.
Therefore, the fund receivers have to pay back all of it as a temporary loan with interest….
This is not too much to ask for…. who does not agree to this deal?

crosspatch

Yep, just give us money and we will make all the bad molecules go away. Or maybe not, but at least we will try! But only if you hand over the money. If you don’t, your house will be razed by a hurricane, then your land will be dessicated by desert, and finally it will be flooded by the sea …. unless you hand over the money.

crosspatch

“Someone keep Obama away from the checkbook.”
Funniest thing I heard was: “Please, nobody tell Obama what comes after ‘trillion'”

DirkH

I think the plan is to give 1.6 trillion a year to the cleptocratic regimes of the “developing world” for which they can buy weapons, so that any war between developed world and the cleptocratic dictatorships takes an eternity to unfold and costs as much as WW II. (As part of the war preparations, the receivers will of course maintain that they spend all the money on planting trees.)
Has the added side benefit of depopulating the planet, and most important of all, investment possibilies.

john

I keep finding links to london going back to Enron, Arthur Anderson, AIG, MF Global. Many of these renewable companies that blew in out of nowhere seem to require London connections. The mystery of derivatives and their usage ranks up there with Dark Matter…. Until now.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/shadow-rehypothecation-infinte-leverage-and-why-breaking-tyrrany-ignorance-only-solution

P. Solar

Philip Foster says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:23 am
>>
I gather that a hoax document has been circulating at Durban… the BBC was taken in (no surprise there then) but admitted as much at lunchtime news today. I suggest we take care about all this.
>>
Apparently it is fake. According to the Guardian they got the type face and some “key details” wrong!
Frankly, I don’t care what frigging type face they use or whether their New World Government kicks in “in 2020” or “no later” than 2020.
This document is more important the Mein Kampf.

crosspatch

Dear Durban:
We don’t have the money. We’re broke. Goldman Sachs and China have all of our cash now. We’ve been cleaned out from bailing out bankers for their losses on mortgages that the “little people” still hold at a loss. Nobody bails us out. We’ve been cleaned out from baling out bankers for their losses on government bonds that the taxpayers of those countries still have to pay off. Nobody bails them out. We’ve been cleaned out by your CO2 regulations that forced our heavy industry to move to China, India, and Brazil so we no longer have steel mills and can’t build power plants.
We’re broke, Durban. We’re already unemployed and living on the dole. We’re already getting government assistance just to buy food. You want 1.6 trillion dollars to centrally manage the global economy and give all your cronies nice jobs for the rest of their lives? Sorry, Durban, we need that money. It’s all we have left.
Oh, and Durban, just who the hell do you think you are?

ferdberple

Unreliable*
■Skeptical Science – John Cook
* Due to (1) deletion, extension and amending of user comments, and (2) undated post-publication revisions of article contents after significant user commenting.
Doesn’t RC also engage in these sorts of tactics? At least on point (1)?

scizzorbill

C.O.P. stands for: collection of pissants.

Mike

Perhaps the UN could be relocated to a place their influence can be most effective. I suggest the Eastern portion of Antarctica.

R. de Haan

Latest extortion attempt from Durban COP17: $1.6 Trillion F A I L E D
They won’t get it
Sack Black
http://thepurplescorpion.blogspot.com/2011/12/black-reveals-some-of-bad-news.html

John M

Louise says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:41 am

So you all think the word ‘invite’ actually means ‘demand’ – wow, I knew there were some differences between American and British English but I’d missed that one.

Louise, as one of the invitees, I can’t help feeling a little like one of these these “honored guests”.
http://www.pokerpages.com/poker-news/news/surprised-dutch-online-poker-players-are-being-invited-to-pay-taxes–31403.htm
I note the lead EU rep is Dutch, so maybe it’s Dutch English we ought to be worried about.