Finally Some Good News!

I just had a nightmare that in 2016 just before the UN climate conference in Tahiti a new report came out that said we have to act and abandon fossil fuel within just 5 years or the climate Armageddon would be upon us.
Thank God it was just a nightmare and I’m not eagerly awaiting for the tippping point to occur in the real world within just 5 years.

I really don’t understand why people are accusing gases for ‘climate change’. Scientifically considering the fluid properties, convection method of heat transmission, physical properties of our climatic atmosphere, making of ‘green house’ and ‘green house effect’ as has been explained etc ‘Global Warming’ due to gases is impossible. And, no gases can be green house gases and they have no role in the ‘Rain cycle’. We have CC because we have disturbed the ‘rain cycle’, the most effective cooling system of Nature.
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Irreversible climate change is also IMPOSSIBLE.
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“The boy who cried Wolf” is becoming their biggest problem. The warmists were on to a loser as soon as the change was made from ‘disaster in 100 years ‘ to ‘disaster … any time now!’

Haven’t the IEA ever heard of ice records re. CO2 levels, or more generally that crucial item that the alarmists are so intent on ignoring, namely, evidence?
It beggars belief that the alarmists still cling so desperately to their belief that the current level of CO2 is bad, increases even worse, and, by inference, that the previous CO2 value before the Industrial Age was somehow the right and proper concentration. It is truly a new religion.
Where are the scientists among them? Perhaps now is the time for the climate change equivalent of the Dover trial of 2005: science, reason and rational thought versus AGW and related nonsense.

Does anyone actually know what they are talking about here? This is the IEA, propped up by fossil fuel money, which has previously been found to have downplayed the risk of peak oil.
This closely follows the study of 1.6 billion temperature records over two years by Richard Muller, a climate sceptic, funded by the Koch brothers for crying out loud, that found that global warming is real. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204422404576594872796327348.html
So, even the fossil fuel lobby realise what is happening. These aren’t ‘warmists.’ Rejecting all evidence simply because you don’t agree with it is moronic.
Sticking your fingers in your eyes and going ‘la la la la’ won’t change the fact that it has got to the point that even vested interests can’t drum up credible scientific backing to the countless climate denial straw men theories. Doesn’t that tell you anything?
As for the idea that the only thing the world will ‘lose’ is ‘climate alarmism’ with a 4-5 degree rise, I’m glad you are happy that, as countless studies have shown, we will be on course to lose a great deal of the world’s wonders. Beyond that, if any trip to Bangladesh will show you, there will be many millions of people who will lose their homes, livelihoods, food, the lot.
But, hey, you’re in your nice comfy room with your flood barrier and your head in the sand blog. Humanity will doff its cap to you in the future.

So how long do people think it will be before the IEA decided that ‘5 years’ actual means some other higher figure that pushes the ‘day of doom’ further ahead or are they going to resort to saying they never made the claim in the first place ?

Irreversible tipping point, forcing factors, lock-in effect,…. What next? 2012 the year of Armageddon? Maybe not, that’s been done. There’s even a film about it. Still, the devout followers of the AGW religion will think of some new pseudo science buzzword or phrase before too long. Anything to keep their voices shrill and the money flowing from the long-suffering taxpayers.

World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA warns
If fossil fuel infrastructure is not rapidly changed, the world will ‘lose for ever’ the chance to avoid dangerous climate change
[PHOTO CAPTION: Any fossil fuel infrastructure built in the next five years will cause irreversible climate change, according to the IEA. Photograph: Rex Features]
The world is likely to build so many fossil-fuelled power stations, energy-guzzling factories and inefficient buildings in the next five years that it will become impossible to hold global warming to safe levels, and the last chance of combating dangerous climate change will be “lost for ever”, according to the most thorough analysis yet of world energy infrastructure.
– Fiona Harvey, environment correspondent, guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 November 2011 05.01 EST

Fiona you dolt, you are officially jumping the shark and the whole world gets to see it. Fonzie is ROTFLHAO. Wow! Meme much? Obviously yes, since the same AGW catastrophic phrasing appears in every paragraph. To compare this propaganda piece to some phoned-in high school level homework essay would be an insult to the kids. You are a pod person, an anonymous clone with a meaningless life. Erich Von Daniken is laughing at you. AOL says ‘you’ve got nothing’. Your friends and family avoid your emails. Your dog prefers to walk himself … [NB: other old-timers might remember the days of USENET epic fail rants :-)]
In all seriousness though, that is the biggest steaming pile of poo seen in one place in a while. It could be an Onion article or even an April Fools joke. It’s so bad that there are no comments there at the Guardian that I can find.
If this embarrassing article is any indication, it shouldn’t be long now. First there is the futile charge of the decimated regiment at their superior, unyielding and merciless opposition. Then we get to see what their death throes look like.

The Guardian is an absolute joke when it comes to global warming alarmism. What happened to Charles Windsor’s 100 months before we reach a tipping point. Panorama put out a very good programme on the green subsidies that were adding to the cost of uk energy. In steps censor in chief Damian Carrington to rubbish the programme however they did allow the programme maker to respond. I post a comment praising the programme and what happens. The censor in chief removes it. Comment is Free if you Agree.

Climate change is irreversible. Once it changes, you can’t go back and change it unless you have a dog named Mr. Peabody.

If the game didn’t make sense to begin with, it won’t have to make sense to continue playing after “game over”. Many of the players are professionals with no other sources of fame and fortune. “Play on”, they’ll cry! “Win just one for the Gipper!”

The Guardian, (or Grauniad as it is affectionately known to those who occasionally disagree with it) does put out some wacky stuff, especially as Monbiot is one of the blue-eyed boys up there. But it is still a fine newspaper, one of the best in the world, so please don’t condemn it totally. Just use liberal pinches of salt, skeptoscopic glasses and common sense.

Lets be nice to them and give them at least 10 years. 🙂 Will it matter in any case, as 4.7 billion of us are due to die in the next 7 weeks with the effects of GW.
Idiots.

This sounds like a conclusion of ‘Fear-Forced Science’ (Post-Normal Science) where its proponents say the consequences of inaction are so terrible, in the off-chance their theory proves to be correct, that all skepticism must be laid aside.

IEA was set up in 1974 after the post-Israeli war OPEC oil crisis. See Wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Energy_Agency. It started life, apparently, as a boring and sensible OECD intergovernmental body responsible, as much as such organisations can ever be, for advising the G7 and now the G20 on energy security. More recently (2008?) it’s been taken over by greens, and peddles the ‘peak oil’, ‘renewables-are-easy-and-cheap, and other crazy myths. Like many intergovernmental bodies, it’s joined the eco-apocalypse main stream. I guess that’s where the ‘smart’ money is nowadays. It’s certainly where the international pork-barrel is.
The Wiki IEA entry starts off reasonably factual, and then goes all strange, mainly due to something called the Energy Watch Group (EWG), a pro-renewables lobby group. I don’t know why Wiki pretends to be neutral. On energy, climate and environmental issues it joins the BBC, the UN and all Western liberal papers in the endless eco-porn-fest that passes for ‘news’.
One weird recent claim by IEA, is that renewables are undercut by the huge state subsidies for fossil fuels. I’ve seen this claim elsewhere. It’s clearly bonkers, and made-up but does anyone know the basis of this claim, and who made it up?

5 years. Gosh, as long as that. It must br true that there has been some hiatus of the warming since change is obviously happening far slower than originally thought. Back in 2009, it use to be only 50 days to save the world. ” Gordon Brown said negotiators had 50 days to save the world from global warming and break the “impasse”.” See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8313672.stm
Of course those 50 days have long since passed and guess what, the world is still here. It has survived.
Why do people/organisations peddle such nonsense. It merely makes them look ridiculous. Some how, the skeptics should keep on reminding the world of previous predictions that have not stood the test of time. This would show the average reasonable person how crazy these green organisations really are.
As far as I am concerned, in the climate field, wolf has been cried too many times.

“it is still a fine newspaper, one of the best in the world, so please don’t condemn it….” which explains it’s ‘massive’ readership I suppose. Well, since it’s the consumate reference document for the BBC you can make your own mind up.

There’s a piece in http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/blogs/sustainability-is-a-process-of-creative-destruction?hpt=hp_bn12 talking about this as “creative destruction”, and how it’s a good thing. Some twisted logic involved.

They want you to take it on the word of Fatih the need to immediately “revolutionize” the international energy sources, literally, the pronouncements of the economist of the International Energy Agency, Faith Birol.
Monbiot Meets…Faith Birol is a video in which Faith is examined by Monbiot, who discovers you cannot expect the assumptions of Faith to remain consistent from one year to the next.

Many years ago, someone put in a classified advert simply saying: “Your last chance to send in your one dollar”, giving an address where to post the one dollar bill. He recieved over 50,000 dollar bills through the post.
Your last chance to save the planet…………………………………

UK Dissenter: your
One weird recent claim by IEA, is that renewables are undercut by the huge state subsidies for fossil fuels. I’ve seen this claim elsewhere. It’s clearly bonkers, and made-up but does anyone know the basis of this claim, and who made it up?
The IEA published some. The vast majotrity of the subsidies are for consumers in 3rd world countries, to keep the price of gasoline or power down.
Real subsidies for producers in the west (as opposed to tax breaks), are mostly for coal in Germany and France (go figure), and for alternate energy or carbon capture (again, go figure).
The Canadian “subsidies” are not subsidies in the normal sense of the word. Most of what they call subsidies are tax deferals. These deferals also expire in 2015. Much of the real subsidies is for CO2 research. One program is labelled as a subsidy, but its intended purpose is to increase government revenue! The Alberta Royalty regime is also called a subsidy, which is strange, as it increased royalties. The fall in royalty revenue after is due to reduced production which was caused by increased royalties.
Governments and NGOs don’t seem to understand this. If you want more of something, reduce the taxes. If you want less, increase its tax rate.
http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/docs/weo2010/key_graphs.pdf
http://www.iea.org/files/energy_subsidies_slides.pdf
http://www.globalsubsidies.org/files/assets/ffs_awc_3canprovinces.pdf
http://www.oecd.org/site/0,3407,en_21571361_48776931_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

But beng, water is a global warming gas you know. Unless it becomes a cloud in which case it might be a global cooling gas. Anyway, we need it to store all those missing joules of energy in the lowest part of the Marianas Trench. Gotta be there because they couldn’t find it in shallower water.

The moving finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on, nor all your piety nor wit,
Can call it back to cancel half a clime
Nor all your tears wipe out a word of it …
—
Deeply dissatisfied. I was waiting for the rhyme with clime — dime? grime? slime? crime?

Every five years, they say “in the next five years…” shouldn’t someone be going to jail for this fraud? It’s time for us to speak up and hold those accountable for the AGW hoax. It’s costing us taxpayers millions.

@ jaymam
Your damn right jaymam.
I bet those greens wouldn’t like to hear that.

It’s kind of ironic, isn’t it. That for each wind driven megawatt produced in UK there has to be an equal megawatt ready to be produced by coal or gas fired power plants, so for each wind farm megawatt being built a coal or gas fired power megawatt has to be built.
So, essentially, the eco-loon are making sure the coal and gas industry is booming.
Oh, the irony goes even further. Now who would stand to benefit if the british closed up coal and gas shop? The wind industry? Or the neighborly owners of wind industry in France (Électricité de France), Germany (E.on) and Sweden (Vattenfall) who also happens to be those afforded the contracts to build nuclear power plants in UK.
So, essentially, the eco-loons, in all their bong induced wisdom, are literally promoting more nuclear power plants being built in UK, by foreign companies no less. And how can those companies afford to build nuclear power plants in UK?, Could it be because they’re sured to get 3-1 on all investment in building wind farms in UK, all paid for, of course, by the british tax paying collective who’ll keep paying to the year 2030.
Oh, and of course, all the above companies tend to own large portion of the collective coal and gas industry of EU as well, so the irony just continues.
So, essentially, the crumbled british empire have the green socialists to thank for their new state of experiencing the true nature of the environmentalist’s kindness of a green economy populated by the new breed of the poor huddled mass’. :p

Ahh…………. disaster is five years away is it?
I think the writer should go to my local pub, they would get really excited!
They have a sign which says free beer tomorrow!
Alan

Is there a 12-step program for apocalyptists? A Doomsday-sayers Anonymous?
Fiona: “Hi, my name is Fiona”.
Fellow travellers: “Hi Fiona.”
Repeat after me
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Stinkin’ thinkin’

2007: Over 4.5 Billion people could die by Global Warming-related causes by 2012.
2011: World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA warns.
Chosing a five year period is not a good idea. Time goes by too fast.

Where were these people 5 years ago? Do they not realize that they are recycling the same tired prophesies, dished out 5 years ago? Are they completely unaware that we have endured identical failed prophesies continuously since Hansen, Gore, Mann, Trenberth, Gavin, Holdren, etc, figured out the sure fired operandi of spreading panic for money!?
The pyramid scheme only makes money for those early fraudsters at the top of the pyramid. Anyone climbing aboard now, will receive little reward. I guess, there remains a possibility, that some natural weather disaster could put them into the money zone, if it is bad enough. Isn’t that the definition of a ghoul? GK

So sad to see a once useful organization (produces the World Energy Outlook each year) besmirched by the higher ups (Fatih Birol) who appear to have drunk the CAGW kool-aid nonsense. These comments or quotes from the head of the IEA, if confirmed, are just wild puerile unsubstantiated speculation.

Everything is always 5 years away, including the next doom laden headline.

Willis, no need to wait five years. It was already deemed irreversible in a PNAS study early 2009. In regards to their study our old friend Susan Solomon said:
People have imagined that if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide that the climate would go back to normal in 100 years or 200 years. What we’re showing here is that’s not right. It’s essentially an irreversible change that will last for more than a thousand years.
But I think your celebration of the Boy’s demise may be premature. She added:
I guess if it’s irreversible, to me it seems all the more reason you might want to do something about it. Because committing to something that you can’t back out of seems to me like a step that you’d want to take even more carefully than something you thought you could reverse.
Ahh, post-normal logic. I hope I didn’t spoil your breakfast. The AGW activist scientists and their comrades will not go gentle into that good night, so keep your fists up.

“If the world is to stay below 2C of warming, which scientists regard as the limit of safety, then emissions must be held to no more than 450 parts per million (ppm) of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere; the level is currently around 390ppm. But the world’s existing infrastructure is already producing 80% of that “carbon budget”, according to the IEA’s analysis, published on Wednesday. This gives an ever-narrowing gap in which to reform the global economy on to a low-carbon footing.”
The above statement reveals that the UN (IPPC, IEA) agenda is to control the global economy by controlling the burning of fossil fuels. IPPC model projections are being used to “justify” those controls. Beside the facts there is little “proof” that any global temperature rise above 2C is dangerous or that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 contribute significantly to that rise, the assumptions they use to estimate the critical five year window are wrong. Click on my name for a detailed analysis of the atmospheric “carbon budget”. That analysis indicates that the present fraction of the atmospheric carbon that comes from anthropogenic sources is only about 6% and on average those emissions first entered the atmosphere around 10 years ago. Even if we stopped burning everything this year, we should not expect to see an effect in the next ten years and then it would only be a step drop of less than 10%. My model projections indicate that the annual average CO2 at Mauna Loa will be close to 400 ppm five years from now. Further projecting with “no control action” 450 ppm will be exceeded around 2032 and is expected to peak out about 500 ppm around 2080. Willing to take bets on who’s projections come the closest?

Michael Palmer says: November 12, 2011 at 6:24 am
<em<The moving finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on, nor all your piety nor wit,
Can call it back to cancel half a clime
Nor all your tears wipe out a word of it …
–
Deeply dissatisfied. I was waiting for the rhyme with clime — dime? grime? slime? crime?
How about: “Nor all the tears of the silent mime…“?

You people all make way to much sense but you are all, shall we say misdirected. The issue here is not and has never had anything to do with physical reality. It is and has never had any other purpose then to finance the life style journalists and other alarmists desire. No alarm bells no reason other then to wrap fish to buy the Guardian or pay the people manning the Met Office.

The IEA….
James Hansen and Michale Mann hokey schtick true believers who are set on getting a kick back for killing millions..
do these people have any honor or moral fiber? believing the lie even when the truth has exposed it.. pathetic..

Another alarmist in action;
http://www.scotsman.com/news/brown_fifty_days_to_save_the_world_1_779582

On December 2, 1988 Suzuki wrote, “We no longer have the luxury of time … we only have a decade to turn things around.”
Whatever David.
Ref: “The man who cries wolf.” Harrowsmith, 1989.

@Sera,
Always some gems in Rocky and Bullwinkle.
“We should march on Washington”.
“Shucks, he’s been dead for years”.

It’s OK for you guys and gals in America; you still have a relatively rational federal government. Australia is now run by the fascist Left, which has not only pushed through parliament a carbon dioxide tax, but also is determined to silence dissent and has a judiciary “inquiry” (witchhunt) underway into conservative media critical of the Greens to achieve that objective.

“We’ve got five years, stuck on my eyes,
We’ve got five years, what a surprise,
We’ve got five years, my brain hurts a lot,
We’ve got five years, that’s all we’ve got.”
David Bowie

Tom:
There is nothing rational about the USA current government. You should be thankful that Australia passed the carbon tax. Your economy should boom with all the new green jobs that are going to be created using your money so you can’t spend it on lightbulbs.

Clive says:
November 12, 2011 at 11:19 am
Use that one myself Clive !! It was around that time that he started to refer to my father as a “D-ord” .

“David Corcoran says:
November 12, 2011 at 8:18 am
“Hoser says:
November 12, 2011 at 1:04 am
In five years they’ll say they were wrong, but just five more years and it will be too late. By then they can crank up the new ice age hysteria.”
They never, ever, ever admit they were wrong.”
You’re right about that even if Climate change means another “Ice Age”. They will still blame it on CO2.

That scrubbed steam coming from those ‘smoke’ stacks is just that, harmless steam.
“World headed for irreversible climate change in five years …”
Wooooo… the ‘seers’ have spoken!
These evil, stealing, lying, cheating, manipulative demons spewing such lies are just that to me, demons. And I can see the vile green foam of words coming from their mouths in response to such blasphemy to their “beliefs”. Be gone. You will hurt my heart no more!
… and I hear there is going to be yet another demon fest in Durban soon.
Excuse me, but going through Wikipedia for definitions, demon was the closest description found to accurately portray their actions to me in the light that the mass-media has taken on in these modern times a “super”natural reach, so to speak, of words from a very select small group of people propping themselves as “seers” of the future.
What a circus!
(but more seriously, I do agree that primarily China and India do need to clean up their ‘smoke’ stacks and we need to turn our attention to the real pollution occurring on this planet, and people, it’s not CO2)

Is there a consensus as to what the tipping point is? Maybe it’s the tipping points that need to be worked out.

Peridot says:
November 12, 2011 at 2:10 am
“The boy who cried Wolf” is becoming their biggest problem. The warmists were on to a loser as soon as the change was made from ‘disaster in 100 years ‘ to ‘disaster … any time now!’
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I think they lost it when they went from the Ice Age cometh to Global Warming and finally…. CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!
With it being cooler for the last couple of years, I am hearing “So much for Global Warming” from the people freezing there rears off here in the “Sunny South”
At this point adrenal exhaustion has set in and people are more concerned with finding or keeping their jobs.

“I probably should have put in the [sarc] tags, so people would know that this is not serious …”
Hmmm.

No worries then, seems to be always 5 years from disaster…

The moving finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on, nor all your piety nor wit,
Can call it back to cancel half a clime
Nor all your tears wipe out a word of it …
…
The finger writes with ink that sticks like, er, glue.
It will run out in henceforth five years’ time.
—
There. A somewhat uneven A-A-B-A-C-B rhyme scheme tho – can anyone fix that for me?

I think the lads at the Grauniad need take a breath and a cue from their countrymen at MPFC

or perhaps this one

A few weeks ago, for suggesting in comments below one of their articles that the intensity of climate change stories in the Guardian would increase as we approach the Durban conference, the comment was deleted, and I was put on the ‘pre-moderated’ sin-bin.
That Damian Carrington is desparately trying to fill the shoes of Monbiot on CC scare stories since Monbiot’s own self doubts have led him to move onto other subjects.