But they can sure act like one:
From the BBC: Maldives government complains of spoof atlas omission
The government of the Maldives has complained after the London Daily Telegraph website carried a satirical blog post saying the island nation is to be omitted from the Times Atlas of the World.
The supposed omission was said to be due to impending climate change.
The low-lying islands of the Maldives are at risk from rising sea levels.
The spoof blog post was taken seriously by several media outlets in the Maldives.
The Telegraph blog post was written by a climate change sceptic, James Delingpole.
Oh, the hilarity!
Here’s some WUWT posts on the joke that is the Maldives concern over sea level rise:
Despite popular opinion and calls to action, the Maldives are not being overrun by sea level rise
Oh and the best indicator yet, the government there is building 11 new airports
11 new airports to be constructed in Maldives
Obviously, they need them to evacuate people from the sea level rise threat /sarc
Follow the money.
h/t to WUWT reader ANH
Claim That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud
http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf
Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner is the head of the Paleogeophysics and
Geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden.
He is past president (1999-2003) of the INQUA Commission
on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, and
leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project. Dr. Mörner has
been studying the sea level and its effects on coastal areas for
some 35 years.
Dr Nils Axel Morner :
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/05/21/sea-level-rises-what-sea-level-rises/
“Morner was a former reviewer on the IPCC report and when he was first made a reviewer he said he was “astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one.”
It just keeps getting funnier! hahahahahaha Diminishing beaches? How about diminishing gene pool?
The Maldives are not sinking says:
Ok we get it, don’t thread bomb
Peer reviewed scientific paper, by Dr Morner, showing that Maldives sea levels are not rising:
“New perspectives for the future of the Maldives”
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/MornerEtAl2004.pdf
“Novel prospects for the Maldives do not include a condemnation to future flooding. The people of the Maldives have, in the past, survived a higher sea level of about 50–60 cm. The present trend lack signs of a sea level rise. On the contrary, there is firm morphological evidence of a significant sea level fall in the last 30 years. This sea level fall is likely to be the effect of increased evaporation and an intensification of the NE-monsoon over the central Indian Ocean.”
And the word ‘gullible’ is being removed from Maldivian editions of the Oxford English Dictionary. 😉
Ok, Anthony.
I’ve done my bit. Thanks and enjoy.
I think that article is the work of a genius. Because when people starts looking into it….they realise that it is not sinking after all !
And if the Atlas was to be true to its cause, it should really remove it… So the consequence to the Maldives, thanks to themselves trying to exploit the Warmista’s cause, would be to be removed from Atlas’es, but not sinking….
LOL – sounds like something you would see on The Daily Mash. Good on ya, Delingpole!
No sense of humour. All that worrying about climate crocodiles under the bed. Cannot hide the emotional consequences of overdosing on cortisol.
Another silly one today: Maldives Carbon Neutral plan, EXCLUDES air travel
Guardian: Maldives crowdsources 2020 carbon neutral plan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/22/maldives-help-carbon-neutrality-plan
Country launches website seeking help from world’s top experts on how to achieve carbon neutrality by 2020
😉 😉 the exclusions
Guardian: “Also excluded is air travel, which is crucial to Maldives’ tourism-based economy but – in the absence of realistic decarbonisation options – is not covered by the carbon neutrality plan.”
So, even as the islands are supposed drowing because of CO2 emissions, the Maldives tourist industry is EXPANDING, those 11 new airports are for EXTRA people, probably Chinese..
China becomes Maldives’ largest source of tourists
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/7378362.html
“The Maldives received 120,000 Chinese tourists in 2010, representing an increase of 96 percent from a year earlier and marking that China has become its largest source country of foreign tourists for the first time, Mariyam Zulfa, Maldives’ minister of Tourism Arts and Culture, said in an interview with Xinhua News Agency on May 11. ”
It’s the economy first, even whilst ‘sinking’
I’m afraid the Maldives are sinking under the weight of their newsmedia stupidity. We should count our luck and send supportive messages to all our news outlets, who keep us afloat thanks to their tireless pursuit of fairness in reporting and the truth.
Oh wait a moment…
ps isn’t a tad too much for you to put TWO links to WUWT in the right-side column, under “Skeptical views”? 😎
Yet at the Toronto International Film Festival, the propaganda documentary on the Maldives was awarded the Public Prize… Says a lot about the attendees of the TIFF… LOL
omnologos says:
September 22, 2011 at 2:05 pm
ps isn’t a tad too much for you to put TWO links to WUWT in the right-side column, under “Skeptical views”? 😎
========================
It just means WUWT is doubly skeptical…… 8^)
SUN & CO2 ARE NOT. THEN WHAT?
NASA announced that 2008 & 2009 were MINIMUM SOLAR YEARS
.http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/02mar_spotlesssun
DISINTEGRATED ICE SHELVES DISINTEGRATION DATES
Worde Ice shelf March 1986*
Larsen A Ice shelf January 1995*
Larsen B Ice shelf February 2002*
Jones Ice Shelf 2008*
Wilkins Ice shelf March 2008
If the Ice shelves are disintegrating during WINTER, it is not SUN or CO2.
Climate Change is due to the following:-
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Discharging of desalination & Cleaning chemicals & Concentrated
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seasons along with hot water of the Middle East.
Those who are having the Oceans water Analysis since 1980 will WIN the
Climate WAR.
Concentrated 7,100 p.p.m. of Magnesium Chloride & 31,000
p.p.m. of Sodium Chloride are detected in the Arabian Gulf. These are
De-icing agents which are helping to disintegrates the Arctic &
Antarctic Iceshelves. International Desalination Association (IDA) is
investigating about it.
If we enforce strict Environmental regulations, recover MgCl3 and NaCl3 at
Straight of Hormosa and Straight of Gibraltar and recover those at
closed eddies of Baffin Bay & Green Land Sea we can correct the climate.
Sea ice & Ice shelves in Arctic & Antarctic are Natural Air Conditioners of
MOTHER EARTH. When more ice in both Poles, the third Pole, as Scientists
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James Delingpole really shouldn’t make jokes about Times Atlas of the World omitting the Maldives and Tuvalu 😉
April Fools’ Day or not. What characterizes a good joke is that smart people would have the ability to spot that this is satire. This is not the case with his joke in Daily Telegraph. Given the history of IPCC his story might easily have been true.
LMAO Every time I read about the Maldives sinking, it reminds me of this…
“However, he added that Maldivians had as strong a sense of humour as anyone.”
`Everyone thinks they have a sense of humor – even people who don’t.’ Vinnie Antonelli (Steve Martin)
The Maldives could well be sinking but I guess digging out sea level materials to build high rise towns has nothing to do with lowering anything.
Perhaps we should pay to perform a real experiment – Move everybody off the reefs and check, periodically, whether or not the reefs start to grow back once they cease to be part of a desperate, middle of nowhere, economy.
Can’t help but see the same “give us more money” scam in 2070 where the “president” speaks of “sea level rise” from his isolated 5000m ocean tower constructed of limestone blocks cemented together with coral sand.
While I don’t doubt for a minute that garbage is piling up on the islands faster than the sea rises, I can make no sense at all of Morner’s explanation for a drop in sea level. It would not matter if you dropped a teraton of mercury in the Indian Ocean, as long as it’s connected to the world ocean it will try to maintain a gravitational equilbrium not far off the geoid. How is denser, saltier water supposed to affect sea level, when it will only sink and be replaced by surface water from elsewhere?
We’ve seen other gaffs in theory by Morner: his claim that LOD influences geological processes and his claim that changes in LOD due to GIA result in lunar precession. I’ll accept his conclusions regarding a falling sea level , but not his explanation for it. –AGF
Oops. Make that lunar RECESSION.
It’s hard for the Maldives to take a joke when it’s the punchline
Those 11 new airports could cause the island to tip over according to the Ga Congressman
“Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) is afraid that the U.S. Territory of Guam is going to “tip over and capsize” due to overpopulation.”
Humorectomy surgery is the cruelest of surgeries, leaving the patient incapable of a good laugh.
Humorectomies are not uncommon amongst AGW true believers and promoters.
The AGW community can stand laughter no more than the naked Emperor strutting his sophistication for all to see.
RAVEENDRAN NARAYANAN says:
September 22, 2011 at 2:25 pm
………….If we enforce strict Environmental regulations, recover MgCl3 and NaCl3 at Straight of Hormosa and Straight of Gibraltar and recover those at closed eddies of Baffin Bay & Green Land Sea we can correct the climate. Sea ice & Ice shelves in Arctic & Antarctic are Natural Air Conditioners of
MOTHER EARTH. When more ice in both Poles, the third Pole, as Scientists described, Himalayas will have abundance of ice and Snow & Bolivia will have more Glaciers & water.
=================================================================
lol, why on earth would we want more ice? And the amount of water we have is fine.
The Maldives can rest easy, as President Obama solved the rising sea level problem: :->
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/NOTA+Bene/5439362/story.html
“Obama – in similar fashion to baseball legend Babe Ruth calling his home run during the fifth inning of Game 3 of the 1932 World Series – called it successfully on sea level rise. Obama declared in a June 8, 2008 speech, that his presidency will be “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.””
The Maldives are not sinking says “Peer reviewed scientific paper, by Dr Morner, showing that Maldives sea levels are not rising:”
Here’s another peer-reviewed paper, same journal, few years later finds Morner’s study ‘implausible’
“the suggestion of such a fall has been examined from meteorological and oceanographic perspectives and found to be implausible. A number of met-ocean data sets and regional climate indices have been examined, at least one of which would have been expected to reflect a large sea level fall, without any supporting evidence being found. In particular, a suggestion that an increase in evaporation could have caused the fall has been demonstrated to be incorrect. Without any real evidence for a hitherto-unrecognised process which could lead to a sea level change as significant as that proposed by the fieldwork team, one concludes that a rise in sea level of approximately half a metre during the 21st century, as suggested by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report, remains the most reliable scenario to employ in future studies of the islands.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818105000780
“The Maldives islands are low lying with the highest point at approximately eight feet above sea level. ”
http://www.maldivestourism.net/maldives/
Let’s see 8 feet is 2,438mm, so at 3.2mm rise per year average that comes to about 762 years. With 381 years at the 1/2 way point.
“31,000 p.p.m. of Sodium Chloride are detected in the Arabian Gulf. These are De-icing agents”
oh noes, RAVEENDRAN ! to think that perfectly normal sea water has NaCl at 35000 ppm, too!
Maybe it’s all about the dihydrogen monoxide?
“A Maldives government official told the BBC the Telegraph should not publish such “nonsense” under its brand name when it could be mistaken for news.”
Maybe the government of the Maldives needs to apologise to the rest of the world for their unashamed “nonsense” in peddling of the rising sea levels fraud that was “mistaken for news” and has created serious angst around the world.
Apparently neither can the people in Uganda. This from Tom Nelson: http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/09/healing-planet-in-quest-for-un-global.html – Full article at the NYT.
Nice to know the “Greener than Thou” crowd isn’t above a little bloodshed and home burning to save the planet (and make a lot of money). Always cheers me up when people like this get caught doing really bad things. Shining example of hypocrisy. Blood diamonds anyone?
All the Chinese need to do is have more and more of them just stay there, buy property and build houses, bribing any officials who object.
After they have 100 times the original native population,
the Atlas will be quietly revised to ‘Maldives (Ch)’.
That way if it does sink the Chinese will just build a Wall.
Willis Eschenbach’s “Floating Islands” article, referenced by Anthony above, is IMHO one of his best.
A G Foster says:
September 22, 2011 at 2:58 pm
………………………. I’ll accept his conclusions regarding a falling sea level , but not his explanation for it. –AGF
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Does it matter why? And, how long does it take to replace the denser water? And, if it gets replaced, will that water then become denser? Will mercury move up hill in following the geoid shape?
As much as I hate to sound like a politician, I do want to point out to the folks on the Maldives that they are learning what it means to be “down on the plantation.” That phrase is from American politics. I am not going to ruin the fun of Maldivians who should Google it. But it has to do with being a group that is a political captive of a particular American political movement.
>> RAVEENDRAN NARAYANAN says:
September 22, 2011 at 2:25 pm
DISINTEGRATED ICE SHELVES DISINTEGRATION DATES
Worde Ice shelf March 1986*
Larsen A Ice shelf January 1995*
Larsen B Ice shelf February 2002*
Jones Ice Shelf 2008*
Wilkins Ice shelf March 2008
If the Ice shelves are disintegrating during WINTER, it is not SUN or CO2.<<
January – March is summer in Antarctica.
gnomish says:
“Maybe it’s all about the dihydrogen monoxide?”
LOL, yes, why worry about a couple de-icing agents (although I prefer CaCl2) with all that (universal) solvent just splashing around unregulated.
Isn’t the Maldive’s government worried about the Tourism industry.
Who wants to fly to an island that might not be there when the plane arrives. One would have to hope that they are carrying enough fuel to abandon the landing and fly back to India.
“Hi, this is your captain speaking. We have been in a holding pattern for half an hour because we cannot seem to locate the airport or the island. We have double-checked the instruments and it is supposed to be just off the left side but it is not there. We have 5 mins of fuel left before we have to abort the the flight and return to Mumbai. Thank you for your patience and we hope that you have a nice holiday.”
“Even if we have to return to Mumbai, we are still planning to carry through the next leg of the schedule which is a flight to observe the glaciers on East Greenland next week.”
Tidak masala saya
Moderator – it means “not my problem” in Bahasa
Delingpole is too funny. I think that’s the gist of the protest.
Philip Clarke says:
“…a rise in sea level of approximately half a metre during the 21st century…”
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The current government of British Columbia, Canada, has determined that sea level rise for the 21st century will be one metre despite the fact that sea levels have fallen at the rate of 5mm per year for the last 2 years, and somehow taxing B.C. citizens (and tourists) for using a fossil fuel to heat their homes and transport themselves to their jobs, as well as forcing school boards and hospital boards to purchase carbon offsets ($100 million so far), will somehow stop the seas from rising.
“Worde Ice shelf March 1986*
Larsen A Ice shelf January 1995*
Larsen B Ice shelf February 2002*
Jones Ice Shelf 2008*
Wilkins Ice shelf March 2008
If the Ice shelves are disintegrating during WINTER, it is not SUN or CO2.”
Northern Hemisphere’s winter, not Antarctica’s. Whoops, back to the drawing board.
So the Times Atlas copies a map out of Wikipedia, gets slated by Richard Black of the BBC, Dellers takes the mick, The Mash takes the mick out of Dellers, and the Maldives don’t get the joke.
given this AP piece went all over the world, wonder why the Maldives didn’t protest Clinton’s remarks!
20 Sept: Forbes: AP: Meghan Barr: Ex-President Clinton: Green movement needs money
“A few years ago, after the south Asian tsunami, I spent a lot of time in the Maldives,” Clinton said. “I think it’s quite possible that the Maldives won’t be here in 30 or 40 years.”…
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/20/general-us-clinton-global-initiative_8690023.html
The Maldives are not sinking says:
September 22, 2011 at 1:50 pm
> I’ve done my bit. Thanks and enjoy.
Most of us have seen those, posted by people who have names. 🙂
As a rationalista and a scuba diver, I condemn the laughable government that went through this charade; they are not serious. They are looking to be on the receiving end of the the scam.
Didn’t these parasites bring this on themselves with the underwater stunt (coupled with a vague demand for reparations).
RAVEENDRAN NARAYANAN has his heart in the right place. Without increased efforts to save the ice shelves in Antarctica, the Antarctic polar bears will die off.
“Here’s some WUWT posts…”
*sigh*
Well if the Maldives is becoming inundated by the sea, generally it is because they like Tuvalu have interfered by taking sand from the foreshores to build. Tuvalu has done this. Atolls are renown for being effected by storms and high seas. It causes erosion for starters. Coral islands are not so effected. Bermuda where I once lived has a very low sea level I think the highest was were I lived, on Blue Hole Hill. They have expensive houses built right on the ocean front. When they start to slide into the sea, then we might say, ‘Ohhh, those multi million dollar people are in trouble’. Let’s give them money from the UNCCF to help them out. NOT?
Many poor nations are in need of assistance, if you watched Tonga on that blokes 24 hour comedy show, they had genuine environmental problems. But they wanted sea walls built, and help with their gardening fertility (I do not say this without respect, gardening is a term used for small scale market gardeners) however, they were on the gang wagon blaming their environmental problems on climate change saga.
> He said the post had implied that his country’s climate change plight was a con-trick, and this, he said, was despicable and hurtful.
And true.
That’s what really hurts.
Tell the Maldives: ” It’s time to think or thwim”
The Maldives have always sounded to me like that bad bar scene from Star Wars…. just sayin’….. Their strange SCUBA scene didn’t help their cause either.
Unfortunately scientific mockery isn’t the only thing the Maldives administration is intolerant about:
http://religiousatrocities.wordpress.com/tag/maldives/
A G Foster says:
September 22, 2011 at 2:58 pm
While I don’t doubt for a minute that garbage is piling up on the islands faster than the sea rises, I can make no sense at all of Morner’s explanation for a drop in sea level. It would not matter if you dropped a teraton of mercury in the Indian Ocean, as long as it’s connected to the world ocean it will try to maintain a gravitational equilbrium not far off the geoid. How is denser, saltier water supposed to affect sea level, when it will only sink and be replaced by surface water from elsewhere?
We’ve seen other gaffs in theory by Morner: his claim that LOD influences geological processes and his claim that changes in LOD due to GIA result in lunar precession. I’ll accept his conclusions regarding a falling sea level , but not his explanation for it. –AGF
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Instead of taking pot shots at him, Tamino, or whoever you are, why don’t you address him yourself??
He is very responsive. His email is morner@pog.nu
He’s a great guy…and very VERY smart.
Take it up with him personally…as opposed to just talking about him indirectly.
I’ll bet you both would have a productive conversation.
BTW….check out his research before you label him/them as “gaffes” [correct spelling].
Last time I checked…this is what science is all about.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Pamela Gray
LOL
I wish Ibrahim Didi-man all the best when taking his low-carbon economy to the levels enjoyed, in the past, by the wealthy, western plutocrats that gave him the financial muscle to (a) invest in Scuba and AV gear (b) to suck at the teat of first world guilt and (c) to throw up those decadent symbols of capitalist power – airports!
This is clearly a man who does the best for his nation unlike our politicians who feed him such largesse.
Most of the Maldives is about 3 feet above sea level. Lucky coincedence? NO. If they destroy their coral reefs then the islands will erode away. Protect them and the coral will keep up with any sea level rise.
One tale that always really bugged me involved a salt-tollerant tree (mangrove?) that stood out on a reef, sticking out like a sore thumb and very annoying to Alarmists, for it was something like 50 years old, and was visual proof the sea wasn’t rising. Therefore an Alarmist, for the good of humanity, cut the tree down.
Has anyone heard of that tree, and was it located in the Maldives?
Actually, the perimeter coastline of the Maldives defines what the sea level is, so they can’t possibly sink.
Dr Sally Baliunas described the Maldive situation in a paper. The islands sit in a very deep ocean basin, out of the main ocean current flows, so there is a huge body of cold deep water, and the surface layers can’t retain heat for any depth because of that underlying cold sink, so the thermal expansion effect is minimal. I believe the sea level is actually falling near the Maldives.
Caleb says:
Has anyone heard of that tree, and was it located in the Maldives?
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I have located the video containing that tree.
If is from a documentary called Global Warming – Doomsday Called Off (2004).
at this link:
the tree is mentioned.
The rest of the series, and more details can be found here:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/04/cbc-global-warming-doomsday-called-off.html
Why blame the rest of the world for some sandy islands… IF they are sinking they should’ve thought better before colonizing those islands.
“However, he added that Maldivians had as strong a sense of humour as anyone.”
LOL!
The report that Dr Morner presented to the Maldives Government was supressed by that government because they still want the handouts from the West. Their population still lives in fear of inundation because of their governments action in suppressing the report.
Currently, there are 89 resorts in the Maldives, they’ve plans to build 64 more.
http://www.letsgomaldives.com/maldives/news/sri-lankan-companies-to-tap-the-billion-dollar-contruction-industry-in-the-maldives.html
I hope they’re building them on stilts!
Well I’ll put the Maldivian governments fear to rest, I’ll never visit their islands since they think they’re sinking due to anthropogenic CO2 induced global warming which melts the poles and I don’t want to be the reason for them getting sunk.
I bet that if every tourist out there showed some proper respect and never again visited the maldives, the Maldivian government will be tremendously happy for not fearing the sinking island syndrome. Maybe UN can chip in to cover the financial losses, but at the very least UN soldiers will be wearing green helmets when patrolling to keep the peace. :p
Someone is proposing to build a £300 million golf course in the Maldives, so maybe they have a future after all?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040584/Maldives-floating-golf-course-complete-islands-linked-ocean-tunnels.html
Well the Fens are the lowest point in the UK…4m below sea level. The Maldives however are 1.5m above sea level….But no problem. Dave Cameron will save us with his new poster campaign. Putting the Grate back in Britain…
http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/
The Maldives Government knows that there is no such thing as bad press (as long as it gets them attention)
Caleb says:
September 22, 2011 at 9:11 pm
“One tale that always really bugged me involved a salt-tollerant tree (mangrove?) that stood out on a reef, sticking out like a sore thumb and very annoying to Alarmists, for it was something like 50 years old, and was visual proof the sea wasn’t rising. Therefore an Alarmist, for the good of humanity, cut the tree down.
Has anyone heard of that tree, and was it located in the Maldives?”
That tree is also mentioned in Page 35 here;
http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf
As an engineer, I also find it difficult to understand how there can be a sustained low sea level in a local area due to evaporation. I was taught water (as well as other substances) flows downhill. I understand sea level and its measurement is a complex thing due to tidal bulges ,wave action etc. but with all of those conditions being the same I do not understand the local evaporative drop in sea level proposed by the dear doctor. Maybe I need to think globally, not locally, to borrow a phrase.
RAVEENDRAN NARAYANAN
Discovery of the two unique compounds MgCl3 and NaCl3 rates along with the detection of polar bears in the Antarctic. (h/t Pamela Gray).
Didn’t ImADinnerjacket say something to the effect that there’s no humor in Islam? There’s your explanation.
Barry Woods says:
September 22, 2011 at 2:03 pm
I am very impressed with the gang that runs the joint in Maldives.
They have no exports ( goods or service or technology ). They live on tourism.they need more money. so, ask the other 7billion suckers to spend money on their island. Get the gullible groups ( liberals and scientists ) help them create the buzz. Then they will shane the rest of the world into giving them money
Super brilliant. But works only when you have really stupid people running the governments in the reset of the world… sadly, they have hit the jackpot
New airports and golf courses in the Maldives, as they’re preparing to be flooded reminds me of the millions of dollars that is going to be spent on expanding and improving the ski areas in the Sierra around Lake Tahoe.
At the same time we hear repeated claims of snow being a thing of the past in the Sierra, the ski resorts are pouring money in to attract tourists and skiers. Makes you wonder…why would you poor money into a sinking ship…Unless there were massive gov’t guaranteed loans…
Never mind. I just answered my own question.
@fenbeagle
Spot on as usual FB
;0))
11 new airports?
I smell a climate conference.
savethesharks says:
September 22, 2011 at 8:44 pm
OT-I’m in your neck of the woods. Fun to read comments from someone local.
“We are the best there is” insisted a spokeswoman for the Atlas. “We are confident of the data we have used and of the cartography. Our data shows that (the ice) has reduced by 15 per cent. That’s categorical.”
They couldn’t sneer at blogger’s in pjamas, as arrogant CBS and jerk Dan Rather did over some political accusation proven false, as here many scientists tried to point the atlas to its error.
Shows the value of PR wonks. (Yes, there are some pros, I’ve worked with a few, but most aren’t great and some are babbling idiots, occurrence rate greater in dysfunctional organizations of course. One thing I expect a PR pro to do is ask executives “are you absolutely confident of this? have you triple-checked? because if you are proven wrong you’ll have egg all over your face big time.)
One useful technique, but not automatic, is to get a rough idea of what the magnitude of something might be. One way is what some people call a “back of the envelope calculation”, an approximate calculation. Better is to have something independent, as used in:
http://lists.cryolist.org/pipermail/cryolist-cryolist.org/2011-September/000946.html
IIRC in the Dan Rather case, someone compared the type style in a supposed letter and found it did not match typical typewriters of the era it was supposedly written in, but did match a popular computer font that did not exist them. You might have thought CBS would be smart enough to examine the type style or hire an expert before they put their reputation fully on the line.
James Sexton at 416 asks, “does it matter why?”
Controversial observations would be assisted by a reasonable mechanism, not an obviously fallacious one. Makes the obs just a tad more suspect.
Sharks at 8 something corrects my spelling. Thanks. As for what he takes as an impertinent personal attack, it doesn’t matter so much who’s saying it as what’s being said. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. If you think it’s right, then why don’t you defend it? I say it’s pure nonsense.
If you want a more plausible explanation for sea fall in the Indian, consider that most the melted mass goes to the Pacific, moving the center of mass of the hydrosphere away from the Indian, drawing it down compared to the Pacific. –AGF
[SNIP: Blog policy requires a valid e-mail address. -REP, mod]
A G Foster says:
Sharks at 8 something corrects my spelling. Thanks. As for what he takes as an impertinent personal attack, it doesn’t matter so much who’s saying it as what’s being said. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. If you think it’s right, then why don’t you defend it? I say it’s pure nonsense.
If you want a more plausible explanation for sea fall in the Indian, consider that most the melted mass goes to the Pacific, moving the center of mass of the hydrosphere away from the Indian, drawing it down compared to the Pacific. –AGF
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UH HUH and maybe there are other things at play….besides a “melted mass.”
You should take the time to read his peer reviewed series on the subject.
Email me at sharkhearted@gmail.com and I will happy to forward you the papers.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
A G Foster says:
Sharks at 8 something corrects my spelling. Thanks. As for what he takes as an impertinent personal attack, it doesn’t matter so much who’s saying it as what’s being said. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. If you think it’s right, then why don’t you defend it? I say it’s pure nonsense.
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Who says its wrong….even or nonsense?
Let’s see your proof.
Burden of proof on you.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
The government of Maldives is a bloody joke, corrupted all the way they don’t give a damn about the airports they only want is billions of dollar which comes from these projects. And i am from Maldives so please think before you reply to me 😀
Water water everywhere but not a drop to drink for Tuvalu!
http://news.yahoo.com/drought-stricken-pacific-islands-down-last-few-days-030234077.html