Open question to WUWT readers: Will one member of the mainstream media — that was so quick to give page-space to Bill McKibben’s ludicrous assertions about Irene — even bring up these comments by Gore? Will Revkin or Bryan Walsh or ThinkProgress disassociate themselves and their orgs or simply assent through their silence?
Update: end of 08/29 Zero mainstream media outlets (except Fox News) covered Al Gore’s “racist” connections. The silence was not unexpected. Andrew Revkin was more interested (again) in interjecting his opinions on “acceptable” candidates for the GOP primary, a constituency that does not “fit” his worldview. Must be fun to coordinate your messaging with Paul Krugman.
By Caroline May in the Daily Caller
One day climate change skeptics will be seen in the same negative light as racists, at least so says former Vice President Al Gore.
In an interview with former advertising executive and Climate Reality Project collaborator Alex Bogusky broadcasted on UStream on Friday, Gore explained that in order for climate change alarmists to succeed, they must “win the conversation” against those who deny there is a crisis.
(RELATED: Bill McKibben: Global warming to blame for Hurricane Irene)
“I remember, again going back to my early years in the South, when the Civil Rights revolution was unfolding, there were two things that really made an impression on me,” Gore said. “My generation watched Bull Connor turning the hose on civil rights demonstrators and we went, ‘Whoa! How gross and evil is that?’ My generation asked old people, ‘Explain to me again why it is okay to discriminate against people because their skin color is different?’ And when they couldn’t really answer that question with integrity, the change really started.”
The former vice president recalled how society succeeded in marginalizing racists and said climate change skeptics must be defeated in the same manner.
“Secondly, back to this phrase ‘win the conversation,’” he continued. “There came a time when friends or people you work with or people you were in clubs with — you’re much younger than me so you didn’t have to go through this personally — but there came a time when racist comments would come up in the course of the conversation and in years past they were just natural. Then there came a time when people would say, ‘Hey, man why do you talk that way, I mean that is wrong. I don’t go for that so don’t talk that way around me. I just don’t believe that.’ That happened in millions of conversations and slowly the conversation was won.”
“We have to win the conversation on climate,” Gore added.
When Bogusky questioned the analogy, asking if the scientific reasoning behind climate change skeptics might throw a wrench into the good and evil comparison with racism, Gore did not back down.
“I think it’s the same where the moral component is concerned and where the facts are concerned I think it is important to get that out there, absolutely,” Gore said.
Gore also took shots at Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has lambasted climate change alarmists on the presidential campaign trail, and other politicians who dare to question the veracity of global warming science.
“This is an organized effort to attack the reputation of the scientific community as a whole, to attack their integrity, and to slander them with the lie that they are making up the science in order to make money,” Gore said.
Ironically, back during Perry’s days as a Democrat, the Texas governor supported Gore in his 1988 presidential bid. Perry became a Republican in 1989.
I’m lumped in with holocaust deniers. I’m lumped in with racists.
How long before I’m lumped in with pedophiles and terrorists?
Alex Bogusky, wow, that’s an unfortunate name.
Not very . . . but then we win.
In case you had doubts about Gore’s sanity, I hope this interview settles them.
If Gore continues on this path, he will become a huge negative for the Left. Of course, there is always the possibility that the Left will be too stupid to see that.
As for the comparison between criticism of “mainstream climate science” and racism, notice that Gore says nothing about why we should believe that the comparison is apt; rather, all he talks about is how the critics should be “shut up” the way racists were. I guess this is a kind of call to action. As such, it is sick.
Gore’s father voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Southern Bloc of Democrats filibustered it for 54 days.
President Obama had a supermajority in House of Representatives and 60 vote filibuster-proof majority in Senate in 2009-2010. He chose not to pass/push Cap and Trade or any climate/energy bill. Thus, by Gore’s logic who is what again?
Janet Napolitano already suspects us of being terrorists. However, pedophiles are slowly being mainstreamed. They are the next group who will be understood to have “legitimate” interests.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/21/hagelin-next-push-acceptance-of-polygamy-pedophili/
The former vice president fails to mention the “up close and personal” opportunity he had to observe the segregationist activities of his late father. Curious.
If I’m like a racist, then he’s like a Nazi. (Yes, I am aware of Godwin’s law, but in this case it’s true). They go with the Big Lie, continually push propaganda and suppress dissension to further their own cause for their own personal gain.
Hey DJ! It seems not too long now…
But seriously, the man has lost it. Completely.
“‘Explain to me again why it is okay to discriminate against people because their skin color is different?’”
Explain to me again why it is okay to discriminate against people because they believe the climate has been changing naturally all along?
I can’t believe that Gore would stoop so low as to outright plagiarize Greg Gutfeld’s “If you disagree with me you are a racist-homophobe” tag-line. Sheesh!
Why does this fat tub of lard have any credibility whatsoever? I think he actually believes this nonsense.
Win the conversation? He is willing to have a conversation? Perhaps only long enough for him to say shut up. — John M Reynolds
DJ says:
August 28, 2011 at 11:10 am
I’m lumped in with holocaust deniers. I’m lumped in with racists.
How long before I’m lumped in with pedophiles and terrorists?
That depends DJ. If you’re Catholic like me, that already happens also.
@ Jeff Alberts:
I am glad someone else caught that. Sincerely, David Hilariowsky.
@ the content of the post:
Wtf? Has Gore ever tried to talk to his minions? Telling them to ‘win the conversation’, he might as well tell them to punch someone in the face. They are close to that line already. Well, when in groups anyway. The mob mentality really takes over.
I think the analogy is telling us something about Al Gore and where he deems what as important. Obviously, he has a skewed sense of priorities. He seems to be equating the contributions to society by Rosa Parks and MLK with the contributions of James Hansen and Mike Mann. I’m incredulous that people would be allowed to draw such comparisons on a national stage.
Even if our skepticism is misplaced, equating the ill effects of a molecule with racism diminishes the implications of racism. He is a sad and sick man.
Al Gore must be getting desperate as his house of cards is falling apart.
Why is it that from Gore’s words and the red faced photo above, all I can see is the addition – on Gore – of a pointy white cap and white robe to go with the angry red puffed up face and the nasty rhetoric. He puts himself in the garb of the KKK, Klimate Klimate Klimate, with his increasingly extreme and offensive attacks that are devoid of science.
Thanks Anthony, I anticipate nightmares involving hanging chads tonight. 🙂
You know, at some point such talk is going to cause more people to stop listening to what Gore has to say. As these people get more desperate their rhetoric gets crazier and people just stop listening to what they have to say.
I am certainly finding it tiresome. The message is “we may not have the science to back up what we are saying but if you don’t go against us, you must be some racist, tea bagger Republican!” So the idea is to cast people who don’t go along with them as some sort of bad person.
It gets tiresome.
Al junior’s father was the perfect example of a “racist”. Al junior’s attempt at analogy shows Al junior to be a very poor student.
Cheers,
Big Dave
Algore’s dad takes the family to the amusement park: click
Which one is Al Gore’s dad? Is Al there?
they must “win the conversation”…..
From the science is settled to win the conversation…..
….in less than one year
This party is over, no one is buying it any more
Pinch yourself, gently.
Remember – This is idiot Al talking here. The same idiot Al who invented the Internet, the Floresent Light Bulb, Windmills, Solar Cells, The International Space Station, the UN, Ice Cream, Pizza, Tootsie-Rolls, and Peanuts (the Plant AND the Comic Strip).
The way Al’s mind works, anyone with two or more body parts is capable of being “glumped” (plural of “lumped”) with any group he wishes on his paraniod lists of friends or enemies.
EXAMPLE: Does Person ‘A’ have a nose and two hands? Does Person ‘B” have what could be called a chin and two eyes? If so, Person ‘A’ is OK and Person ‘B’ is a Right Wing Non-Conformist who ought to be taken out and shot at dawn.
Why? Well it’s really impossible to know. Al makes thing up as he goes along and no two days are ever really the same. His attitude seems to vary with his take at the gate and baseball hat sales on his website. (It really is more about the money than he’d like to admit; his electric bills are enormous; and first-class air tickets on his private jets ain’t peanuts.)
PS: You don’t ever want to be on Al’s “A” List, it’s very short and exclusive. If Al “like’s” you, you’re toast. Especially if he get’s kinky.
(Oh yes, SarcOff;-)
So, I’m looking at the background on the stage where the interview took place. This is hilarious, it spells “FEARLESS”. As Gore babbles about living in fear of a molecule.
Here is a quote that isn’t just apt for this “fearless” interview, but also the events of last night.
We cannot banish dangers, but we can banish fears. We must not demean life by standing in awe of death. ~David Sarnoff
@Ryan Spear Maue says: August 28, 2011 at 11:21 am
Dr. Maue, just in case you hadn’t run across this yet – NYTs article yesterday, effectively about how average hurricane energy & storm size is supposedly larger than ever and will, of course, get worse with global warming as shown by Irene…
Seeing Irene as Harbinger of a Change in Climate
By JUSTIN GILLIS Published: August 27, 2011 A version of this article appeared in print on August 28, 2011, on page A17 of the New York edition…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/us/28climate.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065
I can’t help but wonder if this guy is aware of your research and very handy page http://coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/ (Thank You!!) and is so unethical and deceptive as to ignore this side of the issue either because he’s got a personal agenda or it just provides more sensational copy….. or if he really believes things are so one sided and is just miserable at doing any good surveys of existing scientific literature…
His words are nothing short of an admission that he is unable to win the debate based upon facts and has to draw his munitions entirely from the ad-hominem box.
In Australia, the Minister for Climate Change, tried to tell us we are racists and economic xenophobes because we do not want to purchase carbon credits from unknown people in foreign countries.
The point he was critcizing was that he was questioned why Australia should effectively tear up $650billion in carbon credit purchases that would do absolutely nothing to alter temperature.
As usual, playing the racist card is the card from the bottom of the deck, a rogue’s trick to try to distract you because he has nothing left.
Interesting to note that the racist meme is uttered clone like so far apart in distance but so close in time.
Similarly, a conversation with the people means they can deny or not be held accountable for anything they say.
If all “the science” was true, why do they need these sleazy tricks?
“If the facts are against you, hammer the law. If the law is against you, hammer the facts. If the facts and the law are against you, hammer opposing counsel.”
Any questions?
If we spent some money on Vit. A supplements, we could save 600,000 lives a year – but you are racist if you don’t focus instead on hypothetical AGW that could cause harm decades from now.
Vitamin A supplements for children could save 600,000 lives a year
August 26, 2011
Children in low and middle income countries should be given vitamin A supplements to prevent death and illness, concludes a study published in the British Medical Journal today.
The researchers argue that the effectiveness of vitamin A supplementation is now so well-established that further trials would be unethical, and they urge policymakers to provide supplements for all children at risk of deficiency.
Vitamin A is an essential nutrient that must be obtained through diet. Vitamin A deficiency in children increases vulnerability to infections like diarrhoea and measles and may also lead to blindness. Globally, the World Health Organisation estimates that 190 million children under the age of 5 may be vitamin A deficient. But, despite widespread efforts, vitamin A programmes do not reach all children who could benefit. (continued: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-08-vitamin-supplements-children-year.html)
Two observations.
1] Scientific impartiality is not a case of winning or losing. Controversy and disapprobation rages in politics and religion where there is little evidence to support a case , not in arithmetics
2) Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people’s capabilities and this determines their cultural achievement. Wien’s displacement law, radiative physics, spectroscopy, and air pressure, for example, and their causal affinities when applied to climactic factors, have nothing to do with analogy with racists, or indeed with morals or civil rights.
I cannot find one treatise which maintains that scientific variables have desires for civil rights or human traits in general.
“The Earth’s crust is millions of degrees hot.” “No it’s not.” “RACIST!”
Yeah, that’s the way to convince people.
Yep, the “denier” label isn’t having any effect so you might as well imply that skeptics are racists as well. I’m sure pedophilia is next.
“The racist deniers are like old men hiding in bushes and watching your small children. Who are you going to listen to? Climatologists, or skeptics who may be watching your children at this very moment?”
There was Parmenides who thought that stars, planets and other celestial bodies had souls of therir own.
It is not known whether such objects agree or not
re: suyts says: August 28, 2011 at 11:40 am
“would be allowed” — Free speech, and obviously we don’t want censorship. The very very sad thing, however, is that people who make such outrageous statements aren’t laughed off the stage and then treated to a nice big dose of national scorn. NOT for having an opinion and expressing it, but for going to such extremes in their comparisions. The other aspect of this that is so disturbing, of course, is that reporters and journalists just keep going back to that same trough and lapping it up so they can serve it out the back end to the rest of us.
In the not-too-distant future, people will look back on these times as a sort of modern-day “dark ages”. Folks might say something like:
“there came a time when Alarmist anti-carbon comments would come up in the course of the conversation and in years past they were just natural. Then there came a time when people would say, ‘Hey, man why do you talk that way, I mean that is wrong. I don’t go for that so don’t talk that way around me. I just don’t believe that.’ That happened in millions of conversations and slowly the conversation was won.”
Al Gore will not be allowed any sharp objects, his pants will have a tendency to fall down, and he will drool a lot as he mumbles and cries incoherently about the planet being on fire, millions of degrees, and why won’t anybody listen?
YouTube of it
REPLY: Thanks I’ll put this in instead – Anthony
When Gore ran for the presidency and the hanging chads issue, I wondered if he had sense enough to pour piss from a boot.
I now wonder if he has enough sense not to drink piss from a boot.
KK @ CoS had an idiotic post quite a while ago on some clown claiming the similarities of racist views and views of people who do not accept the government supported IPCC ‘settled’ science. CoS it seems had already played the race card and was a precursor to the Gore racist views.
John
Coming from a crazed sex poodle I’ll take it as a compliment.
Pffffffffffffft……
Al Gore is anti science.
And evil.
There is, quite simply, a revolution coming, in science — and in the world, if the incompetent science consensus continues to be imposed upon the people of the world by their governments, against their will.
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy.”
~ Joe Biden
Joe means: compared with the typical African American. But that’s not racist because Biden is a Democrat like Gore, so he gets a pass.
Fortunately for us, we have our own pass.
neener!
He’s right about one thing … winning the conversation. Only it’s the skeptics who have finally begun to win after being marginalized and trivialized for so many years. With solid facts that are beating back the silliness of Mr. Gore’s science fantasy.
As for the rest of what he’s saying … he’s really reached a new low … again.
Uncontrollable fits of rage and inability to discriminate between reality and fantasy is symptomatic of tertiary stage syphyllis. This handily explains how a sex poodle becomes a crazed sex poodle.
Just sayin’ 🙂
Bogusky has co-created this ad campaign:
There’s a strong conformism undertone there; so his decision to work for warmism makes sense. Note the lengths to which the company in the campaign goes to convince an outsider.
Here’s Bogusky on climate change; trying to equate CO2 to pollution, and urging people to “stop the debate”.
He really seems to hate dissenting voices. But maybe that’s typical for all warmists.
Look up “poor loser” in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Al Gore. It was entered in the December 2000 edition of Meriam-Webster.
How can you win a conversation that you refuse to have ?
“He lied to us. He betrayed this country. He played on our fears” It is amazing how often what Democrats claim about Republicans is what they themselves are guilty.
All I want is to know the truth, If by that Gore means that those who shout loudest are right then that is an inconvenient truth!
Gore says, “My generation asked old people, ‘Explain to me again why it is okay to discriminate against people because their skin color is different?’ And when they couldn’t really answer that question with integrity, the change really started.” and he then said that climate change skeptics must be defeated in the same manner.
What is the same manner? Is he advocating that the warmists ask sceptics why they don’t believe the sky is falling? Is he volunteering himself to put these questions to known sceptics?
No, I thought not.
They want to shut down the conversation. They know the more people talk about it, the more you will hear the truth about it and this will stop the influx of cash.
Apologies if this already mentioned.
Despites the warmists always blaming Bush for everything but particularly failing to sign up to Kyoto, wasn’t it on the Clinton/ Gore watch that they knew they would never get the Act through the obviously racist Congress?
Cheers
Paul
I far prefer Dr. Curry’s decision to engage all sides of the issues with an open mind to Al Gore’s continued wedging positions, this latest of comparing reasoned skepticism to racism being the most abhorrent. As for heroes – Start with Steven McIntyre. Here is a guy knows climate change is happening (how could it not?) but is skeptical of the integrity of the documentation trail, as everyone should be, but has also taken the time to attempt to reproduce it, unraveling the hidden tangles along the way. Dr’s Spencer, the two Pielke’s, Svengard, Lindzen, Carter in Oz, and even Schmidt who’s response to the CLOUD report is well-reasoned and I think accurate, are all standouts in this debate, and the blogosphere crawls with excellent rational debate on both sides.
Anyone who can’t find a hero in this debate isn’t looking – that is possibly a consequence of the distraction provided the Al Gore and his anti-science, evangelical twist to climate.
We in Texas would welcome Al Gore to come and have a conversation about all this. It has been so hot and dry, we could use 10-11 inches of snow this August.
The Blaze (web site), a conservative news and opinion website founded by Glenn Beck
Go figure.
In American politics, playing the race card means you’ve lost the battle. It is a last-ditch effort to win. It is always the liberals who play the race card. You don’t agree with a black person? It must be racism in their eyes. Playing the race card is often an effort to silence the opposition. Fortunately, the race card no longer works for the majority of people.
The only reason Big Al is playing the race card is he has nothing left. He doesn’t have facts on his side, or he would argue with facts. He doesn’t have the support of people on his side, or he wouldn’t resort to playing the race card. Big Al is scared that he would lose his power and money. Nothing else has worked, so desperate times call for desperate measures. It is looking more and more likely like his climate conference will be a big dud. If he has to resort to desperate measures to get publicity, things are bad for the purveyors of doom.
If Al Gore ever met me, I would ask him 1 question. Why is it the people who demand scientists follow the scientific method and require verifiable proof are the ones you call deniers but the people who break the law to NOT follow the scientific method considered credible? He will have no answer.
DirkH:
It is part of a presumptive close strategy – practised by all used car salesmen, funeral insurance salesmen and other charlatans.
Does anyone have confirmation of Gore’s assertion about the trend in chlorine molecules in the atmosphere? He makes it early in the video when talking about ozone and CFCs.
Has he stopped lying and admitted that his dad did in fact vote against the Civil Rights Act in the Senate? Al Gore is a son of a racist. His home state celebrates Nathan Bedford Forrest as a holiday, that would be the founder of the Ku Klux Klan.
‘win the conversation’, ‘make the argument’ etc.. Politicians like Gore don’t know the meaning of these words.
Conversation means to them a monologue of their (peculiar) views throujgh a megaphone (bull-horn?)
Making an argument is simply selling snake oil.
They showed algore’s new film on the interview at the 49 minute mark. It is about his next project that sounds like a lame Earthday imitation. On September 24th, Al says the world is going to join hands to create 24 hours of reality. They are going to reveal the deniers on that day. I am so scared. Mr. Occidental stooge is blaming big oil for spreading all this denial. The guy calls it a day of reality but after listening to him speak for an hour I don’t think he has any clue whatsoever about even basic reality. The cheese slipped off his cracker long ago.
Rational Debate says:
August 28, 2011 at 12:13 pm
re: suyts says: August 28, 2011 at 11:40 am
… I’m incredulous that people would be allowed to draw such comparisons on a national stage.
“would be allowed” — Free speech, and obviously we don’t want censorship.
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Yes, perhaps I should have made it clearer. I’m not advocating forced censorship, but rather the censorship that comes with exercising responsibility. It is a horrific statement they allowed Al Gore to make and air. Its just as legitimate as airing NAMBLA’s reasoning.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0900ntl.htm
September 18, 2000
Three of Al Gore’s black Secret Service agents have recently filed a lawsuit, citing racial discrimination against their supervisors in the vice president’s security detail. The three men contend that black Secret Service agents are frequently passed by for promotions; they claim that Gore has made no response to their repeated attempts to draw the matter to his attention.
Well, if the vice president wasn’t aware of the problem before, he probably is now. Congresswoman McKinney made several critical remarks about her party’s presidential pick that found their way not only to her own web site, but also to the front page of the Washington Times on Friday, September 8, 2000.
“Gore’s Negro Tolerance Level [NTL?] has never been too high. I’ve never known him to have more than one black person around him at any given time. I’m not shocked, but I certainly am saddened by this revelation,” said the outspoken four-term representative from Decatur. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, McKinney often speaks out on the issues surrounding race relations. Boy, does she ever.
“I’ve personally been discriminated against at the White House by the very same people these Secret Service officers are complaining about,” the congresswoman continued. “That these black officers had no response from Gore’s staff is symptomatic of a larger problem. Gore would like these problems to just go away, but they’ll never go away if they’re not addressed.”
When this bellicose commentary hit the Internet and the newspapers, there was a sudden hush in the state of Georgia that fell in less time than it would take for you to say “Loretta Sanchez found a great site for that fund-raiser.” When the bluster started up again, it had taken a decidedly different tone.
“These remarks originated in a draft of a press release that was in the editing process and were never intended for public distribution,” McKinney stated in a new press release. “I disclaim all of those comments. And let me warn any Republicans who might be tempted to use the comments that were attributed to me, which I have now disclaimed and retracted, to divide and confuse the voters — I will not stand for it.”
The real problem is that the theory of man made global warming does not hold water. If the theory was iron clad, they would not have to resort to defending it by using accusations of racism and capitalist conspiracies. Al Gore is just trying to line his pockets and at the same time appear to be relevant.
Al is a prime example of an “intellectual”…….a man consumed by his ego, unable to comprehend why there is no market for his hubris.
“……. they couldn’t really answer that question with integrity …..”
Coming from a blowhard who refuses to answer questions at all.
As was said on another thread “Al Gore ducks like a quack”.
@ Wade
Aug, 28, 2011, 1:05 pm
You hit the nail on the head!
Wow. The desperation is palpable – you can see it in his contorted facial expressions. Devoid of scientific literacy, this is the absolute best he’s got, and he knows it. Plainly no longer satisfied with simply calling us “climate deniers,” he’s now upped the ante to comparisons with racists. Thought-control FAIL. This slow motion car crash is absolutely fascinating to watch, and I can’t wait to see to what depths he’ll go to next.
“The cheese slipped off his cracker long ago.”
LOL. At least when he ‘wrote’ Earth in the Balance, perhaps before.
Or perhaps his cracker never had any cheese.
Above comment should read
@ Wade Aug 28, 2011, 1:05 pm
Another socialist trying to deny the rest of us the right to freedom of speech and thought, doesn’t history teach us anything about these tin pot dictators. If they can’t win by rational argument or via the ballot box they have to rest power by other nefarious means. It is shameful that the scientific world lets Gore get away with this.
Environmental Advocates Use Racism to Dismiss Global Warming Skeptics
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/08/environmental-group-uses-racism-to.html
The J U L Y 2 0 0 0 issue of the Atlantic Monthly contained an article on Gore by James Fallows titled, “An Acquired Taste.” Its subheading reads:
Here’s the link: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2000/07/fallows.htm
You have to wonder if its really about the science, why the need for the use of insults and dehumanization attempts as a standard technique of rhetoric to support AGW?
If is was a religion on the other had it make perfect sense , as religions have always needed to create a evil none-believers to keep people on the path of righteousness with dire warnings to the faithful should this listen to these ‘evil ones’ , and to justify the intolerance of other to the fatih others not of the faith
Not just wrong , but mad and bad too , seems to be Gores and co approach.
The skeptics will win any debate and the alarmists only stand to lose. Bring it on !
Most alarmists are not knowledgeable about their own cause !
1) They thinkCO2 is some kind of super greenhouse gas.
FALSE: CO2 only produces .4 ° C for a doubling of all CO2.
Any more comes from positive feedback which hasn’t happened so far.
Free beer tomorrow but tomorrow never comes.
2) The warming from 1978 to 1998 is somehow unique and unnatural.
FALSE: It happens every 60 years and the 1978 to 1998 iteration wasn’t any longer or stronger than the last 2 iterations, which weren’t caused by CO2 either.
The temperature tracks the PDO well both when they go up and when they go down.
PDO vs CRUTEMP 1940 to present
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1940/to:2012/scale:5/plot/jisao-pdo/from:1940/to:2012/mean:12
PDO vs CRUTEMP 1998 to present
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1998/to:2012/scale:5/plot/jisao-pdo/from:1998/to:2012/mean:12
The correlation is excellent from 1998 to present, almost year by year.
AndrewR,
Thanks for the tip on The Blaze.
I wonder if ole Spotted-Al Gorbacle still grows tobacco on his southern plantation? Immense hypocrisy from the loony la-la land of leftism.
What does race have to do with climate change anyways?
Al is starting to sound disturbed, like a paranoid.
Seems Big Al is pushing hard an agenda that is driven by personal financial gain. Is there any information about the extent of his personal investments in the AGW industry?
As an antidote, may I recommend Syun-Ichi Akasofu – Two Natural Components of the Recent Climate Change (April 30, 2009. International Arctic Research Center, University of Alaska, Fairbanks), at http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/little_ice_age.php
Gore seems awfully embittered these days. He should learn something from his former boss Bill Clinton – that is, being upbeat and optimistic sells. Vitriol does not.
Resorting to ad-hominem attack nonsense like he is currently doing is sure evidence he knows he’s teetering on his back foot.
In ancient Hebrew, Gore would have been referred to as a “fatkunt”.
Poor Al.
Failed as a Divinity student.
Rejected as a Presidential candidate.
Delusions of grander.
Illusions of intellect.
Reduced to a babbling talking head playing the Race Card.
History will not be kind to him. He’ll be written up as a Con Artist or a Religious Nutter that lead a generation of humanity down the Green Brick Road, wasting $Trillions on Greenie Schemes, Scams & Dreams.
Money that could be much better used solving real problems vexing humanity and this planet.
Al also apparently thinks we should starve about 5 billion people to death. This psychopath ought to be locked up in a padded cell.
“Industrial agriculture is a part of the problem,” Gore said. “The shift toward a more meat-intensive diet,” the clearing of forest areas in many parts of the world in order to raise more cattle and the reliance on synthetic nitrogen for fertilizer are also problems, he added.
Gore advocated organic farming and relying on “more productive, safer methods that put carbon back in the soil” to produce “safer and better food.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/28/al-gore-compares-climate-change-to-civil-rights-fight/#ixzz1WMXBtXDE
Looks as if Gore is reduced to speaking to himself…
This stupid moron is just making racism respectable.
Scepticism is not only respectable it seems to be increasingly trendy. Indeed if any more politicians join the sceptical side I’m going to have to seriously wonder whether it’s getting too trendy for my liking.
I wish I could draw like Josh, I’d draw a carton of Al Gore in the 1500s time period crying out, “The Earth is flat and everything goes around the Earth. The debate is over, the consistences of science has settled it…” The caption would read, “Al Gore in a past life.”
This man was the vice president of the United States of America…………..
‘Gore advocated organic farming and relying on “more productive, safer methods that put carbon back in the soil”’
Well, might be a problem Al if you would take a dump once and a while. That would release copious amounts of carbon that the microbes can put back to work.
oh go on, I dare you
Gore is a coward and a charlatan. If he had any courage whatsoever, he would be challenging those he disagreed with–people like Anthony, Steve, Ross or, even, God forbid, Richard Lindzen–to debate on the subject rather than hiding behind powder-puff interviews and making idiotic analogies in order to slime people.
He’s really beginning to piss me off.
More Gore bloviation.
By shouting it down.
First, there’s not much organized effort on the scoffers’ side, and to the extent that there is, in the form of think tanks and topic-specific skeptical organizations, that claim is relatively rarely made, compared to its frequency by bloggers and (especially) blog-commenters. Second, even such commenters don’t make the claim that “the scientific community as a whole” is money-motivated.
Gore is being inflammatory–which is a base way of motivating his base to be confrontational. I.e., in his Rolling Stone article he stated that he wanted warmists to be more active in writing letters and posting comments on the Internet. That’s how he wants to win the conversation. (But many warmist commenters don’t have the grasp of the subject they think they do-and they often make a poor impression in the way they conduct themselves.)
Second, there is a distinction that should be made (but isn’t) when we scoffers imply that climatologists stand to benefit from taking an alarmist position. They aren’t doing so because they pocket the grant money. Almost half of it goes to their university for overhead, and the rest mostly goes for their expenses, like salaries for assistants. (This is true of the grants received by skeptical scientists too–and warmists should make the same distinction when accusing them of greed.)
Their financial benefit is something more abstruse and global. That is, alarmism encourages continued heavy funding and prestige for their field as a whole, which benefits the profession as such, and which may or may not trickle down to them eventually. The purely personal benefit in promoting alarmism comes from increasing ones odds of getting published, which indirectly benefits ones career due to the “publish or perish” effect. Lastly, there are social-status benefits from going along with the herd of independent minds (as they are perceived in academia).
Deviationist scientists, in contrast, are acting against their professional and personal interest in taqking a skeptical position.
What Gore must be thinking is that scorcher-scoffers can be refuted by reciting the ready-made counterpoints provided on sites like SkepticalScience and How to Talk to a Climate Change Denier (and RC). The problem for Gore is that those counterpoints often refute strawmen, that scoffers have comebacks to other refutations, and that many contentious issues can’t really be firmly settled in the alarmists’ favor at the present time, even if they seem to have the edge on balance.
Of course, there are some silly scoffers’ statements that can be knocked down, or whittled down, but that’s only a portion of the case they make. Gore ought to read The Deniers (as a start) and process it if he wants to engage in a conversation.
I could just as logically charge Al with being a racist for disagreeing with me bout CAGW.
His lack of the ability to think is apparent.
The skeptics have long demanded a debate. Sounds like the alarmists are playing into their hands. Bring it on !
My wife of twenty five years doesn’t buy CAGW, I’m European, she’s Chinese, but what do we know?
Nothing new for Gore. It was well over a decade-ago when he drew this parallel…
Al Gore and Rachel Carson = MLK and Rosa Parks
When we were kids, we had Jack-in-Box to jump out and scare us, but we understood that it was only a temporary scare, perhaps what we need now is a new conversation piece and Al-in-the-Box to jump out and scare our kids. Then they can have fun putting Al back in his box.
Boy think of the marketing, and in this day and age you could have “IT” red faced and screeching out his climate doom and gloom rant.
Yep scary, but easily put back in his box. I’ll take a one cent commission per unit sold from anyone that wants to build one!!
Why not ‘Win The Debate’ first, Al?
Dave Springer says:
August 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm
“Uncontrollable fits of rage and inability to discriminate between reality and fantasy is symptomatic of tertiary stage syphyllis. This handily explains how a sex poodle becomes a crazed sex poodle.
Just sayin’ :-)”
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Have anything to do with his lisp?
So when did the people in the AGW camp become a race? Can you get them to comb their hair to the left or dye it green or something so that we can spot them more easily? What kind of insults are we supposed to hurl at them? Is it racism if we don’t hire a warmista because he is long on opinions and short on brains? If my GF buys into AGW and I don’t, are we a mixed race couple now?
I am going to have a lot of questions about this, I never was a big racist before this came up.
If one has all the facts and all the science and all the media on board, the only way to lose the conversation is if you are stupid.
Dave A
How long do we have to wait until this guy is forced to give back his so called peace prize?
I know of a much more deserving candidate for the 2007 prize. He works for peace every waking hour of his life, a real amazing guy who risks his daily life for peace. A man in such risk it’s not possible to mention his name here. It makes me cry to think this thug sullied the honour of that prize. Don’t think that I didn’t write to the Nobel Committee at the time to complain.
The 10th December 2007 – the day I turned off all media so that I didn’t have to watch or hear about it.
Just 3 more years to wait until the barefaced lies he made in that acceptance speech come back to haunt him.
The treachery that has unfolded in the name of MMGW and the fear, and the damage, induced in the hearts of our young ones by his story is incalculable. There are no other words for it – it is evil.
I apologise but that is how I feel when I see the thug use words like these to steal the real, valid, and important thoughts, ideas, results and opinions of real people who care about the truth and his continued attempts to turn them to naught – it’s just plain unacceptable, the method abhorrent.
I’ll say again. How long do we have to wait until this guy is forced to give back the Nobel Peace Prize?
It’s amazing how much money an idiot can make.
The media constantly bombards us with the meme that making money somehow requires intelligence. Al Gore is living proof that a moron can be a millionaire, all that’s required is to suck in the gullible.
How can Gore talk about ‘winning the conversation’ when he has refused on every occasion that he has been invited to debate global warming with sceptics? He is obviously seeing the beginning of the end of the cult that he has developed at great financial gain to himself. .
He’s absolutely right, only on the wrong side of the issue, thousands of skeptics are challenging warmers with the facts every day and little by little we are pulling back the curtain to show the “consensus” on global warming is a sham and a snake oil pitch.
Insert name of every major advocate of global warming as needed to replace “they” and that is the tide change that Gore has completely missed.
He plain and simple has no clue, is a scientific illiterate and a compulsive liar (habitually misrepresents the facts to suit his scam).
It is sad (and a bit scary) that someone so clueless actually got nominated to be the electoral candidate for president by a major party. Thankfully he lost and did not inflict his delusions on the country via executive order.
Larry
This is Gore’s only recourse. Science is testable, observable, repeatable evidence. You cannot do any of those with man made global warming, therefore it is not even science. Gore doesn’t want you to debate with him about his religion.
finally something I put into the tips gets posted AFTER I put it in 🙂
The alarmists have long avoided debate and for a good reason. They would lose.
The more debate there is the more people will learn about the fallacies of CAGW.
Most alarmists don’t know:
1) CO2 is a terrible Greenhouse gas. [.4 ° C per doubling]
This isn’t nearly enough for any catastrophe
The rest is smoke and mirrors and isn’t happening.
2) The effect of CO2 is logarithmic so each molecule does less warming.
3) The warming from 1978 to 1998 was natural and has happened 3 times since temperature records began. The first 2 couldn’t have been caused by CO2.
carbon is black, therefore co2 is black
hanging chad gore is anti co2
therefore he is the racist
thats science that is
Ryan Maue
August 28, 2011 at 11:21 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/28/gore-suggests-climate-skeptics-have-parallels-with-racists/#comment-730611
Nice way to put it!
When you have no real argument, cry RACIST.
From over the BRIC wall come the mutters: ‘What’s all that honking about’.
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And they say Dan Quayle was the dumb one.
I’m pretty sure that Algore was planning to come out as the storm demolished NYC and say “told you so.” But the storm faded so he an attack on skeptics is all he’s got.
Someone asked about where Gore makes his money.
Gore owns a huge investment-management firm that invests in “sustainable” businesses and industries. So, literally, if he can convince the large investors, including nations and agencies of nations, then he makes money. He makes money off of convincing people that AGW is true.
His firm is called “Generation Investment Management, LLC.”
This is truth, not racism. Go look it up:
http://www.generationim.com/
He has over a billion in investment assets managed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/business/worldbusiness/11iht-gore.4.10942634.html
Do the math. If he gets .01 percent per year, he is super-wealthy.
Gore’s investment management firm is buddied-up with the UN – The UN has a big effort to get countries to put assets in “green” investments managed by – guess who – Al Gore:
http://www.generationim.com/media/pdf-ft-03-11-08.pdf
Info on how the UN is going to countries, convicing them of global warming, then getting them to invest in “green” “sustainable” stuff:
http://www.unpri.org/
There you have it. This is the same as a hand soap company convincing us there are germs everywhere, then offering to sell us hand sanitizer. Except that he is masquerading as some selfless humanitarian, and using the mechanism of the U.N.
Some Gore supporters have declared that Gore is awesome and selfless because he is doing this selflessly, including giving away the proceeds from his Inconvenient Truth movie.
He could give away that money without much sweat because he is bringing in much more by being an investment manager.
In these interviews, no one ever asks, “Hey Al, how is your investment management firm doing?”
Whenever I bring this up with a “warmer,” they are totally unawares. They really look up to him like the messiah he thinks he is.
Roger Knights says:
August 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm
(But many warmist commenters don’t have the grasp of the subject they think they do-and they often make a poor impression in the way they conduct themselves.)
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Ha ha ha. Did you have anyone in particular in mind ?? Where did he go ??
Al Gore, Sr., like Bull Conner, was a Democrat and voted against the 1964 civil-rights act. So when Junior compares climate change skeptics to Bull Conner, is that his way of calling us all racist, Klan-loving Democrats?
Then why is any scientist who produces research critical of the warmists perceived reality of Apocalyptic Global Warming denounced as a shill of “Big Oil”? Are not scientist who reach dissenting conclusions also part of the scientific community as a whole?
Can someone direct me to a place where it is explained how carbon traps heat? I’m serious.
Gore is an idiot. So is Bogusky. Their analogies/comparisons are so totally off the wall.
I have read and re-read what this stupid man has said and I still cannot believe it!
How can you equate racism with climate change denial? Racism is illogical bigotry and should not be tolerated. Climatology on the other hand is a science and should be open to debate.
Describing this idiot as a former Vice-President is at least better than describing him as a former, President or God forbid, your current President. Mind having said that, it is a close call.
Yessir, Nothing like Leisure Suit Larry interviewing algore.
Clinton and Gore didn’t submit Kyoto to Congress for ratification, either (although they’d ignored the 97-0 Hagel-Byrd resolution in the first place by agreeing to Kyoto in principle with the int’l community). Racist scumbags.
re: Roger Knights says: August 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I wish that were true – and for some I’m sure it still is. Unfortunately these days there is massive amounts of money to be made that goes far beyond grant money. Even grant money – if you are successful with it, it can wind up supporting your trips to professional society meetings, topic meetings, international meetings, etc. All in lovely vacation spots. Fund your research assistants trips also. Buy fun new toys (laboratory equipment) that isn’t really necessary but is awfully nice to have. Gain status within your field – which can lead to supplemental income in a number of different ways – or supplemental free trips. Beyond that, there can be honorariums for speeches, and so on.
James Hansen is a prime example. See: http://biggovernment.com/chorner/2011/06/23/lawsuit-seeks-ethics-filings-of-nasas-global-warming-activist-james-hansen/
Lawsuit Seeks Ethics Filings of NASA’s Global Warming Activist, James Hansen
by Christopher C. Horner
This week I filed a lawsuit against the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), in federal district court…ATI’s transparency project now seeks to force NASA to release ethics records for taxpayer-funded global warming activist Dr. James Hansen, specifically those pertaining to his outside employment, revenue generation, and advocacy activities.
What we are trying to determine is whether NASA approved Hansen’s widespread, well-documented, high-profile and, it turns out, extremely lucrative “outside employment and other activities”, permission for which must be obtained in writing, in advance. Public financial disclosures and other documents reveal that he has received at least $1.2 million in the past four years, more than doubling his taxpayer-financed salary. [emphasis added]
…..That is, although we removed from the final version a reminder of Hansen’s escalation to knee-jerk invocation of Nazi analogies, this remains a key point about this gusher of outside income. All of which comes on top of — and, more troubling, is all “related to” and is sometimes even according to his benefactors expressly for — his taxpayer-funded employment. (continued online)
Wonder why Al Gore didn’t mention that the old people he was talking about and the conversation that disgusted him were happening within his own house. His daddy was one of the democrats who fought hard to keep black people in their place and DID NOT vote yes for the Civil Rights Act. His father and Senator Robert Byrd were top of the line KKK democrat racists, so Mr. Gore is speaking from first hand experience, but then again he is known to lie about his fathers racism.
Democrat Senator Al Gore voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act as did segregationist Democrat Senator William J. Fulbright.
I wonder if any civil rights leaders will call out this coward on his remarks?
And CuriousGeorge, thanks for the link.
I’m actually glad to see this being carried in the MSM, the more people who see this mentally unhinged psychopath for who he really is, the better.
“I remember, again going back to my early years in the debate, when the Climategate revolution was unfolding, there were two things that really made an impression on me. “My generation watched Mckintyre and McKitrick turning the spotlight on Green remonstrators and we went, ‘Whoa! How gross and evil is that?’ My generation asked old people, ‘Explain to me again why it is okay to discriminate against people because their statistics is different?’ And when they couldn’t really answer that question with integrity, the change really started.”
Secondly, back to this phrase ‘win the conversation,’” he continued. “There came a time when friends or people you work with or people you were in clubs with — you’re much younger than me so you didn’t have to go through this personally — but there came a time when holocaust denier comments would come up in the course of the conversation and in years past they were just natural. Then there came a time when people would say, ‘Hey, man why do you talk that way, I mean that is wrong. I don’t go for that so don’t talk that way around me. I just don’t believe that.’ That happened in millions of conversations and slowly the conversation was won”
Wouldn’t worry too much. Old Al lost his mojo quite a while ago. This speech has been featured by the pro-science side, but the pro-Gaia side is looking away. Even New Superstitionist, which normally headlines every recommendation for “new ways to communicate” the One True Faith, is ignoring it.
This the scum.Who avoids all debate opportunities.
Cleary, Al is following the Lindsay Lohan formula for staying in the media eye. The one good aspect of this is that it may serve to wake up the unbiased scientists out there across all fields of study to show how far off tract this debate has swung and how much science has been undermined in the process. They had better wake up soon because budget reality is going to hit science funding one of these days and the AGW funding part of the pie will be a threat for legitimate science funding.
Gore……….A bloody mess, associated with a Horror movie.
I am happy to be a denier, associated with real world Empirical Evidence and Facts.
eg. CO2 (Plant Food) is not a pollutant, it is essential to all life on earth including Gore.
bogusky, eh…
poor gore – he’s reacting like anyone else who’s dependent on your money being given to him. i bet he thinks he understands the legitimate purpose of government, too. he has kindred spirits by the score, these days.
it’s interesting that he’s so easy to repudiate as a grifter – but others who haven’t scored a laughing.stock award still get to peddle their entitlement vision with impunity.
Sorry Al – that’s just bullshit.
I am puzzled why they (any big media network) would never allow a big panel discussion with the big guys on the science from both sides. Not that I think Al Gore has any understanding of the science involved, so I don’t think anyone should invite him. That would just be a waste of time.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
No Al. But it is certainly being said about you and a few of the team! GK
Dave Worley says:
August 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm
“Al is a prime example of an “intellectual”…….a man consumed by his ego, unable to comprehend why there is no market for his hubris.”
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Al Gore is not an intellectual. You have defined “intellectual” far too narrowly. Professor Lindzen is an intellectual, among other things. Though Al is consumed by his ego, the harm he causes and the harm he promotes are a quantum leap beyond what the garden variety narcissist causes. Apparently, he is calling for censorship of statements that are contrary to the claims of “mainstream climate science.” He is a Constitution burner.
Latitude says:
August 28, 2011 at 2:52 pm
“This man was the vice president of the United States of America…………..”
Don’t remind us. We hand our heads in shame. What could have been:
President Carter
President Clinton
President Gore
President Obama.
Pundit/Scold/Self-proclaimed Ambassador at large:
Carter
Clinton
Gore
Obama
Carter forged the path of Pundit/Scold/Self-proclaimed Ambassador at large. Clinton has been downright reserved by comparison. But can you imagine Gore? For that matter, can you imagine Obama?
Those who claim that the Right is paranoid for labeling the Left as socialist or communist surely must agree that Al Gore is socialist or communist in every fiber of his being. Well, except for his love of raking in the big bucks and living large.
You don’t need to be a climate warming skeptic to condemn Gore’s repeated toxic interventions in the climate science debate. Science is about the observational and analytical testing of ideas. Introducing emotion — the fear of abuse, anxiety about non-conformity, etc. — into a scientific debate corrupts science. When dishonesty in scientific debate is encouraged by politicians who control the funding of scientific research, one can be sure that resulting research will tend to feeble-mindedness or outright fraud.
Is Al hoping we will believe him by talking as if he is martyring himself? His demeanor is of someone constantly under attack and nobody believes him, even though he is telling the truth and saving the world.
This is acceptable? What if we compare the climate change zealots to the religious zealots of the middle ages ( Spanish Inquisition) cramming their beliefs down everyone’s throat?
Further proof that Gore hasn’t a clue as to how science works. To him it apparently is a political contest that requires convincing those who know nothing about the subject to a particular
point of view. Gore is so clueless I don’t see how it’s possible to have a discussion with the guy.
“Will one member of the mainstream media — that was so quick to give page-space to Bill McKibben’s ludicrous assertions about Irene — even bring up these comments by Gore? Will Revkin or Bryan Walsh or ThinkProgress disassociate themselves and their orgs or simply assent through their silence?”
Umm… the latter. Especially since they agree with his statements entirely.
Four or five years ago Al Gore was on the global stage collecting an Academy Award and a Nobel Prize. He is now on some YouTube video. The man has a right to be bitter, let him wallow in his vitriol.
If Global Warming caused Hurricane Irene, the residents of the Eastern Seaboard can be appreciative of the way in which Global Warming degraded it from a Cat 3 to a Tropical Storm.
Mighty bold words coming from a member of the Gore Family.
His Pop wasn’t a shining example of Tolerance, and according to a
retired Fed marshal I know, Al didn’t like Black agents around him..
Hearsay, of course. Now I get to hear my lefty co-worker exclaim:
“See the Profit has spoken! You guys are racists too! Praise Gaia!”
Let his kid walk through the door with a Hispanic, Black or Native American
Girl and we’ll see him get his”pure European” blood up…
(yes he calls it that..)
That guy is an idiot. People are born with their skin colors. People are not born with climate science embedded in their brains. We learn things and make our minds based on the sum of our knowledge. He is the intellectual racist by being against those that are not thinking like him. Truly, how can he get lower.. I am sure he will find a way to stood lower next time.
Minister for climate change Combet said a similar thing. Skeptics support a white climate change
policy. I wonder where he got that idea from? And there I was thinking that carbon could be black too. LOL
The problem with Al is he’s all depressed and anxious-
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/climate-will-make-us-depressed-and-anxious-20110829-1jhbm.html
How do they keep cooking this stuff up and sleeping at night? Do they remove all the mirrors in their homes and faculty lounges? What sort of net nanny do they use?…….
These are the great philosophical questions about life I keep asking myself…..
Climate skeptics also come out with slanderous analogies – Monckton compared a warmist to Hitler. The best way to oppose these attacks is to accuse the accuser of opposing freedom of speech – if you support it, you cannot use terms like ‘racist’, which are designed to prevent it.
Let us be grateful that George Bush, if nothing else, kept this idiot Al Gore out of the White House.
People, people!
Gore’s analogy of the AGW debate to the civil rights debate is very useful if explored, for example:
By analogy Al Gore is a civil rights supporting, yet slave-owning, plantation owner, in his use of private jets, multiple residences, and opulent life-style. To offset his ownership of slaves (carbon footprint) he purchases slave offsets from civil rights NGO’s working to free other slaves, but not his own. Sometimes he even purchases offsets from himself. Maybe he buys a slave from himself and through accounting demonstrates that there are now less slaves than previously, as now they are labeled indentured servants.
It is this hypocrisy which continues to pull the moral rug out of any statement by Gore, and most other AGW supporters. Go with this. Use this if the racist meme takes hold. Anyone who gets on a plane is just like a old southern slave-owner. I’ve challenged McKibben on his air travel and he mumbles crap about sacrifices for the greater good, but unless these people can lead by example, they can be ridiculed incessantly.
observa says August 28 2011 at 10.28 pm. A good observation but the fact is there is reputable data around that agrees that people who live in lands that experienced the midnight sun and have no sunlight for some months do not get enough Vit D. If they become depleted they will have symptoms of depression etc. People in parts of Canada, the Hebrides a Scottish Island, Norway. And Alaska. Plus Lapland. Then they also get 22 hours of sunlight, that I would think would upset one’s metabolic functioning like Jet Lag. Now what these academics and also self professed climatologists are corrupting the data to suit the hypothesis. It goes on all the time, particularly with people like Mann, Hansen, Flannery, Jones. And then they can wiggle out of it by saying this is one scenario. It’s when they cook the books they can be generally found out.
Is the same Al Gore that made his money selling tobacco, who’s sister died from smoking, who’s wife divorced him for adultery?
The same Al Gore that told us he invented the Internet, that the oceans were going to flood the shorelines, who panicked people into selling, and who then turned around and bought waterfront property?
Is this the same AL Gore that promoted a global carbon trading scheme so that he could benefit from his partnership in CCX? The same Al Gore that tried to panic congress years ago over global warming by helping to stage a phoney “warming” during Hansen’s senate testimony?
Because if it is it sure sounds like the kettle calling the pot black.
Rod MacLauchlin at 10.29 pm. That’s wrong. Lord Monckton compared protesters that burst into a Heartland debate during the Copenhagen 2009 conference and disrupted it to Hitler Youth who performed the same type of tactics. He did compare that idiot Ross Garnaut and fascist ideology. He apologized but it made people think ‘You Vill Do As Vee say’ and have no rebuttal or you are likely to get gassed or branded as heretics. Don’t try to pass the buck. Well said Jeez.
Gore has used practically everybody else as his favorite climate change whipping boy but now everybody recognizes that Gore is no longer royalty of that realm–he’s just as fallible as any mere mortal, perhaps more so. And everybody that’s taken the brunt from this pompous jerk is voicing their opinion that Gore is a has-been, worthless troll looking only after his vested interests. As a consequence, he’s turned out to be a bitter, lying, vile old man, nothing more.
Already happened.
Let me break this down for everybody.
Everybody knows global warming is destroying the planet and/or going to destroy the planet. Everybody knows CO2 is a greenhouse gas and greenhouse gases trap heat. Everybody know western civilization burns fossil fuels, therefore we are responsible for the increase on greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and therefore we are causing global warming. Everybody knows rich people consume more than their fair share, therefore everybody knows rich people are to blame for causing global warming. Everybody knows the poor suffer the most and will suffer even more when climate catastrophes occur. Everybody knows these catastrophes will get worse as climate change continues. Everybody knows most rich people are white and most poor people (think globally!) are not. Therefore, if you oppose the global warming agenda, you are racist. There is no other reason to oppose Kyoto, or Cap-and-Trade, or carbon taxes, except selfishness. Selfishness is just another form of hate. Racism is hate. Therefore, opposing the climate change agenda is hate. And racist.
“advertising executive and Climate Reality Project collaborator”
Well, they do kind of go together, don’t they?
The Lemmings just aren’t aligning they way they should under Big Al’s Benevolent Girth. Time to lash out in the way only a Rich Nobel Prize Winning Liberal Politician can.
Andrew
Of course, a Philistine could compare the Goracle to a Jim Jones or a David Koresh leading his flock of blind fools to an apocalyptic end. But that would be over the top, sort of like describing the Gentle Readers here as racist bigots and calling for war crimes trials for us.
Just sayin’
And Anthony, to answer your question: No. Nobody in the so called “main stream media” or any of the others will call the Goracle on this. (There may be an exception to the rule, but they would be cast out for their heresy!) They too have drunk the Kool-Aid and the Goreacle is their Prophet.
Regards,
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)
Well who would you believe to be more trustworthy?
a) A group of domestic and international politicians, industries, and scientists that have a big stake in the game in form of research grants, complete government control of the power generation sector, huge potential for new fees (tax revenues) for global redistribution of the US wealth, and huge gain from investments in green energy areas pushed by their co conspirators.
b) A group of brave scientists that are defending the integrity of science with the cost of getting smeared by the book (rules for radicals) and cut off from getting research funding and from publishing anything that contradicts the above group’s goals and objectives.
So where is the incentive for group b) to disagree with group a) that has much more personal gain?
Fortunately, in my circles this is happening; somebody brings up global warming and they are laughed out of the conversation. The AGW alarmist scaremongers are losing this conversation so badly they don’t realize they are laughing stock for the rest of us. They don’t even get much of a shake on campus anymore.
I don’t know that this is true on the East Coast where leftist intellectuals still reign, but in the Midwest they’ve learned not to espouse that view, lest it’s shortcomings get pointed out to them and their credibility questioned.
Farmers have little time for Ivy League scientists telling them about how things are, climate wise. The children of those farmers are not so easily persuaded in a classroom.
I’m the one who has to quote this?
Here are the first words out of Goracles mouth when that video starts:
It’s a religion, every word out of his mouth supports that notion.
They just don’t seem to understand that they can’t “win the conversation” because the science is proving them wrong.
Al Gore’s hysteria is not fueled by “moral” outrage but by unbridled greed. His UK-based Generation Investment Management fund in recent years bought up millions of dollars in carbon credit units from around the world and helped create a U.S. carbon trading exchange–the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX). Shortly after Gore and his partner sold their stake in the Exchange last year it went out of business. The world value of carbon credit paper has collapsed following the reluctance of Congress to enact crippling regulations–for which Gore lobbied–on U.S. industry during the recession. Gore is not a crusader or even a politician. He is the prime lobbyist for a global cabal of banks, industries and investors who have staked billions on the public acceptance of a new “green” totalitarianism. Since launching his “crusade” Gore has personally amassed upward of $200 million. He lobbies for then profits from taxpayer subsidies channeled to corporations where he holds shares. One example is “stimulus” dollars going to a “smart grid” firm Gore helped create as he lobbied in California for a smart grid mandate and a regional cap-and-trade compact.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html
DJ says:
August 28, 2011 at 11:10 am
I’m lumped in with holocaust deniers. I’m lumped in with racists.
How long before I’m lumped in with pedophiles and terrorists?
I agree, however, naming calling and labeling does not change scientific facts. Ironically, name calling and labeling is a significant component of racism. Calling those who question the scientific foundation of the extreme AGW movement and the IPCC proposed carbon control policies “racists or deniers” is morally reprehensible.
Shame on Al Gore, you are embarrassment to the American people. You and your cohorts are promoting policies that would result in trillions of tax dollars being spent on purposeless schemes to monitor and control carbon emissions, on green boondoggles such as bio fuels and wind farms, and on third world projects that have nothing to do with aid and every to do with lining the pockets of corrupt third world governments and the UN bureaucracy leaches.
There will be a very strong back lash against irrational and wasteful “green” policies, the green movement’s obvious propaganda, the distortion of science, and the blocking of skeptic papers in scientific journals when observational evidence indicates the planet is cooling.
Lindzen and Choi’s analysis of data from two independent satellites shows that clouds in the tropical region increase to resist warming (negative feedback). Lindzen and Choi calculate a doubling of atmospheric CO2 will result in the planet warming roughly 0.7C.
http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/236-Lindzen-Choi-2011.pdf
“Here the statistical confidence intervals of the sensitivity estimate at 90%, 95%, and 99% levels are also calculated by the standard error of the feedback factor fTotal. This interval should prevent any problems arising from limited sampling. As a result, the climate sensitivity for a doubling of CO2 is estimated to be 0.7K (with the confidence interval 0.5K -1.3K at 99% levels). This observational result shows that model sensitivities indicated by the IPCC AR4 are likely greater than the possibilities estimated from the observations.”
The IPCC 3.5C predicted warming due to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 is predicated on the assumption that tropical region amplifies the CO2 warming.
As the planet has warmed 0.5C in the last 10 years a significant portion of that warming was due to something other than the CO2 greenhouse effect. The cause of the late 20th century warming was the sun.
The solar magnetic cycle was at its highest level in 8000 years during the last 20 years of the twentieth century. Svensmark estimated roughly ¾ of the late 20th century warming was caused by changes to the solar magnetic cycle.
So he fights real science with feelings, emotion, conviction, morals, and beliefs. Not one mention of any science. It’s clear why he refuses to debate the science, since his position is devoid of science. He gives facts a slight nod as we have to have facts, but then he says to be stubborn and stick by your convections regardless of the facts. Indeed, it is hard to fight real world facts and real science with faith.
Stand on a railroad track in front of an oncoming train and pray, and die. Only you can remove yourself from the tracks. Of course, after the fact you can make up the fable that God inspired you to save yourself, but the real world calls it a survival instinct.
ManBearPig has devolved to a huckster peddling a crappy, poorly constructed cult.
You can have your own opinion (or faith) but you cannot have your own facts.
Nuke says:
August 29, 2011 at 5:45 am
“Everybody knows global warming is destroying the planet and/or going to destroy the planet. Everybody knows CO2 is a greenhouse gas and greenhouse gases trap heat. ”
Wrong and wrong, totally. We are cooling and never were even close to as warm as the 1930s. And CO2 does not trap heat. Thermodynamically it cannot do what they say. Even is it did, it would only ramp up convectional heat transfer to altitude (totally ignored by the IPCC) and cool us more efficiently. It’s maximum effect with doubling is close to 0.01 deg C and water vapor is a powerful negative factor due to the convectional heat engine mentioned above. Also, rising CO2 decreases absolute water vapor such that the two have an almost constant effect or less because not only is CO2 replacing the more effective water vapor but it also interferes with water vapor’s effectiveness.
CO2 is plant food and cold is the enemy. All civilizations have thrived during warm periods. There is good reason that the dark ages were cold. We are cooling and have several decades of cool ahead. We need all of the CO2 we can get to maximize plant growth (plants use less water and nutrients and tolerate cold better with more CO2)—burn, baby, burn!
The whole global warming scam has nothing to do with the science and has nothing to do with saving the planet, the biosphere, or the people. It’s a political agenda aimed at a Draconian takeover of the world’s energy, intimate control of all individuals’ activities, habits, and spending, massive, crippling of the developed economies by forced wealth redistribution, conversion of third world countries into nanny states, population reduction through poverty, and formation of a one–world government which would have to be totalitarian and socialist. This is basically communism or socialism run by a gang. Why do you think they want the Small Arms Treaty in the UN with the eventual goal of disarming the US and the world? They cannot succeed if the people are armed and resist them.
The Copenhagen Climate Change Conference was supposed to be the final step in the formation of a world government; the agreement being pushed included its formation. The UN only pulled out of the push when they found out that they were being left out of the government. It was to be set up with an unspecified, unelected group of individuals running the world, in the style of the EU and we all know how well that is working.
Nope, humans are not ruining the planet. We have to be careful, but we are learning quite nicely. The third world countries need to be allowed to develop themselves out of poverty by developing their resources and economies such that they have the time and wealth to clean up their past pollution and avoid future mistakes. A rising tide floats all boats. Even the poorest are raised up as economies and societies grow and mature.
In general I have to say I share Algore’s dim view of “climate change deniers” but only because our view of who those people are is completely opposite. To my mind the only folks who can legitimately be characterized as deniers of climate change are Al and all of his cohorts from the IPCC. The very core of their hypothesis is the argument by exclusion i.e. our models can’t match the modern temperature rise without the influence of increased CO2 from anthropogenic sources, so what else could it be? The obvious implication of that assertion is that, absent human interference, the climate would never change. Skeptics, on the other hand, have argued continually that the climate is, and always has been, subject to myriad variabilities to the point that, to paraphrase the old hippie nostrum, you can’t walk in the same climate twice.
So, if Al wants to get all medieval on “climate change deniers”, I say “You go girl!”, but just recognize that you’re talking about the man in the mirror.
KnR says:
August 28, 2011 at 2:04 pm
You have to wonder if its [sic] really about the science, why the need for the use of insults and dehumanization attempts as a standard technique of rhetoric to support AGW?
Well, duh.
Do not let little men like Al annoy you. He wants the debate more emotional, more vicious, because he does not want a rational debate. He knows he can’t win on the subject using logic and reason.
This just shows how desperate he and his side has become post climategate.
I’m also a bit younger than Al Gore, so I had to look up this Bull Connor character …
Bull Connor was the Commissioner of Public Safety for the city of Birmingham, Alabama who turned fire hoses on civil rights protesters in 1963.
Like Alabama Governor George Wallace and Senator Al Gore Sr., Bull Connor was a democrat. (During the 1948 Democratic National Convention, Connor led the Alabama delegation in a walkout when the DNC suggested supporting civil rights.) Connor opposed civil rights, as did Al Gore Sr., who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Acts. (The Act passed both House and Senate despite his opposition.)
I have no doubt Al Gore Jr. suffered angst over his father’s position. And he may well have argued with his elders about it. But he can hardly take much credit for bringing Civil Rights to fruition. He couldn’t even convince his own dad to vote in favor!
Civil Rights legislation in the US succeeded thanks to the efforts of others, acting independently — and in spite of — some key Democrats of the day.
So it seems Al Gore Jr. has this story twisted up in his mind — maybe to overcome a feeling of shame for his party’s own voting record. The Bull Connor story has little to do with global warming, but it sure gives some insight into Al Gore’s infantile rage.
Did I need to put a /sarc at the end of that post?
“” . . . . And underneath it all runs the mantra chanted in unison by all the trolls—terror, terror, terror. The troll establishment spins us like windup dolls and laughs all the way to the bank. What idiots, they think. And every election cycle we prove them right. “”. . . .
The Election March of the Trolls
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_election_march_of_the_trolls_20110829/
I noticed this was posted under “Al Gore is an Idiot.”
When that starts taking too long to load, start posting it under “Al Gore is STILL an Idiot.”
Memo to Al: Stop digging.
Nuke says
There is no other reason to oppose Kyoto, or Cap-and-Trade, or carbon taxes, except selfishness. Selfishness is just another form of hate. Racism is hate. Therefore, opposing the climate change agenda is hate. And racist.
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Rubbish.
The fact that it would take tens of trillions of dollars to prevent .02 ° C of warming by 2100 even if the climate alarmists are correct seems like a good enough reason to me.
The doctors have a motto “First do no harm” The alarmists motto is “First do great harm then find out if it did any good or was even necessary.”
The precautionary principal says that there are many worse problems which must be dealt with first. And the money would actually do some good.
“… Al Gore, who paralleled climate skeptics with racists last Friday …”
Yes, Al Gore (Jr.) is still trying to come to terms with his (dead) father. Al Gore (Jr.) now says that he wants to steer the conversation using the same techniques used to quash racism. Perhaps if a youthful Al Gore Jr. had used these techniques with his father, Al Gore Sr., his father would have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, instead of voting against it, as his father’s choice is now recorded for the remainder of history.
Obviously, the irony is lost on Al Gore Jr.
H.R. be careful you are insulting all the idiots!
“You have to win the conversation…” That, or perhaps have an epiphany that a troublesome truth was not as true formerly believed.
His Goreness is playing “Let’s Draw Parallels.” Fortunately, two can play at that game. And it’s my turn now. Although Climate Alarmism is a Totalitarian movement in its own right, the closest parallel that I can draw is with the Khmer Rouge. Both movements hate modern industrial society. And neither movement cares about how many people die in the name of ideological purity.
Have I left anything out? Oh yes, Gore is a flaming hypocrite, who’s in it for the money and for the fame. Well, all comparisons have limitations, don’t they?
So Al, I’ll see your gauntlet, and raise you a rotten tomato.
Not sure if anyone has added this in the 180 comments but I’ll add it for the reocrds.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031278/Climate-change-deniers-seen-racists-day-says-Al-Gore.html
Is he sooper serial this time?
He looks more and more like a used car salesman!
“And Anthony, to answer your question: No. Nobody in the so called “main stream media” or any of the others will call the Goracle on this.”
What network is this video from, I cannot tell? Maybe he produced it himself in his fortress of solitude, handed the pool boy a script and flipped the remote on the video camera.
But seriously, I don’t see Al being interviewed anywhere in the mainstream any more.
Any of the big name MSM comedians might have a field day by inviting him for an appearance, but they have basic morals and know better than to pick on the sick. It’s just too sad to be funny.
Speaking of Revkin and GOP primary candidates…
I have to wonder if Revkin and his ilk are suffering any cognitive dissonance with regard to Rick Perry. He mentions that Perry called bullshit on manmade climate change. But he fails to mention that during Perry’s tenure as governor of Texas the state became the leading producer of wind energy tripling the output of the next closest state California.
There is a reason that when Tipper Gore left that criminopath, she PROMISED A TELL-ALL BOOK to come out ‘soon.’
Notice how he shut up so fast about her you could hear a pin drop? That’s because she’s got a LOAD of goods on his – well, his sheer, EVIL.
The WIFE of the next PRESIDENT who LOST, doesn’t LEAVE him after some …. what, 30 years?.. for nothing.
Tipper knows what’s up with that wacko .
And she knew what to do to make him hit the end of that leash and sit,
like it was the #1 dog show on earth.
Gore is a failure. He failed to win one of the easiest elections in American history, and when he lost, his self loathing and self contempt forced him to start a NO KIDDING – TERRORIST MOVEMENT saying WE ALL SHOULD IMPLEMENT HIS POLICIES in SPITE of the ELECTION or
WE WERE ALL GOING TO DIE.
Now that we didn’t all die, we have time to sit back and reflect on just how EVIL Gore really is.
How SHAMELESS and PURILE, how SELF SERVING, and how much – LITERALLY,
a T.E.R.R.O.R.I.S.T. he really is. He TRIED to SWAY POLITICAL POLICY through INSTILLING FEAR FOR OUR LIVES if we DIDN’T IMPLEMENT HIS POLICIES.
That’s practically speaking the DEFINITION of TERRORISM: ATTEMPTING to SWAY GOVERNMENTAL POLICY through inspiring TERROR or FEAR of DEATH or SERIOUS harm coming to the people who DIDN’T DO WHAT HE SAID DO.
And yes he knows it hasn’t warmed since the mid 1990s, and he KNOWS why Phil Jones SAID IN 2005:
“The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if *I SAID THE WORLD HAD COOLED SINCE 1998.*
***OK IT HAS*** but it’s ONLY SEVEN YEARS of DATA (every year SINCE ’98 to ’05) and it ISN’T STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.”
Nuke;
Apparently some of the slower among us didn’t get that you were summarizing an paraphrasing the AGW-Alarmist position and presumptions. Probably you need to use ‘sarc/ /sarc’ to warn the more literal-minded that you are not speaking in your own true voice. 😉
typo: “summarizing and paraphrasing”
Dave Springer says:
August 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm
“Uncontrollable fits of rage and inability to discriminate between reality and fantasy is symptomatic of tertiary stage syphyllis. This handily explains how a sex poodle becomes a crazed sex poodle.
Just sayin’ :-)”
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Have anything to do with his lisp?
A medical doctor friend of mine, trained in Switzerland, was brought in during internship to a long term care room, and introduced to a nice man in a clean suit and he (and his three fellow students) were just told to “talk to Herr So and So, and find out what you can”.
They did, they found out Herr So and So was the DESIGNER of the Golden Gate Bridge. He gave them a LOT of detail, he was quite convincing. When the teaching Doctor stepped rudely in-between the students and Herr So and So, it was the first clue…things were not right. “Gentlement,
what is your diagnosis?” My friend and his associate were DUMBFOUNDED. The teaching Doctor knew he had caught them flat footed. He tortured them, “IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS!!!”
After several minutes he finally revealed “Tertiary Syphillis – Delusions of Grandure”.
I think we can start refering to Al as “Mr. Tertiary” from now on.
Darned browser works poorly where I am. Gentlement should be GENTLEMEN, and the inadvertant carraige return, removed…
Max 🙂
“When they couldn’t really answer that question with integrity, the change really started.” Only a person like Al Gore can say something like that and totally fail to see the irony. Skeptics ask hard question and Al Gore and other AGW proponents just resort to name-calling and “big oil” ad-hominens. Just like the proponents of racial discrimination lost Gore will lose just because that very reason. Present some concrete and convincing evidence (photoshopped polar bears do not count) and I might reconsider.
He even sounds stupid. Didn’t he flunk out of divinity school or something like that?
I actually read his book. A lot of trees died to make that book (yes, a certain percentage of the paper was recycled, but in order to present Tipper’s photos properly they had to use a good bit of virgin paper).
Is he ever going to retire from playing the fool (but getting very rich doing it)?
No
It is time we hold a rally. It is time we air a 24 hour marathon whowing the world the mistakes of Gore. We, global citizens, will not be scammed by green scum. We have the right to truth. It is time to end the orewellian procedures of the left. It is time to debunk every pro-AWG webite and paper. It is time we bring back respect to Climate Science. We shall not be opressed of brainwashed! Vote out any offical that supports climate change! Dismantle the IPCC. Burn ‘the inconvinent Truth’.
Al Gore, you have picked the fight on the wrong people. People who know more about climate than Micheal Mann, Jones, Briffa, Wahlman, Doran and the members of your imagenary consesnus. We know that ‘going green’ means more green in your wallet. Don’t lie the oil and coal companies are on your side. I spend the rest of my freetime debunking lies.