Monbiot smacks head first into reality

George Monbiot has published a story in the Guardian with a strong dose of reality:

He goes on to say that maybe it’s time to give up “magical thinking”.

I hope that by laying out the problem I can encourage us to address it more logically, to abandon magical thinking and to recognise the contradictions we confront.

I’ll say. While I disagree with a lot of what Monbiot says, he does know enough not to lie to himself when things really aren’t going in his favor. He also hits on why the green/warmist movement is becoming so unpopular:

It is a campaign not for abundance but for austerity. It is a campaign not for more freedom but for less. Strangest of all, it is a campaign not just against other people, but against ourselves.

Monbiot does have some realist sense about him, so I find it encouraging that he’s writing about the pickle the greens and warmists find themselves in. I recall during Climategate when he was the first to come out with a statement saying that the issue needs to be addressed square on:

Confronted with crisis, most of the environmentalists I know have gone into denial. The emails hacked from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, they say, are a storm in a tea cup, no big deal, exaggerated out of all recognition. It is true that climate change deniers have made wild claims which the material can’t possibly support (the end of global warming, the death of climate science). But it is also true that the emails are very damaging.

The response of the greens and most of the scientists I know is profoundly ironic, as we spend so much of our time confronting other people’s denial. Pretending that this isn’t a real crisis isn’t going to make it go away. Nor is an attempt to justify the emails with technicalities. We’ll be able to get past this only by grasping reality, apologising where appropriate and demonstrating that it cannot happen again.

And, as he wrote there, many have continued with the “storm in a tea cup, no big deal, exaggerated out of all recognition” meme. Except the public knows better, and warmists are losing, and losing big. His article this week though is well worth a read, because he’s pretty well come to the conclusion that warmists and greens have painted themselves into a corner with demanding energy policy changes, while providing for no alternatives of substance, and the public is having none of it.

All of us in the environment movement, in other words – whether we propose accommodation, radical downsizing or collapse – are lost. None of us yet has a convincing account of how humanity can get out of this mess.

Dogged reality bites – coming soon to an election near you. Canada this week, Australia soon, and the USA in 2012.

The way out, George, is the same as the way in. Let the free market decide. Shoving mandates down peoples throats like that dimwitted liar Julia Gillard is trying to do in Australia simply won’t work, and she’ll find herself knocked on her butt come next election. She must think people are too stupid to notice or care. People will embrace energy saving technology, but it takes time. And, the solution must have more value, not less. The modern world wasn’t built in 100 days, and neither will the postmodern.

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Andy G55

“Canada this week, Australia soon, and the USA in 2012.”
Unfortunately, unless we can somehow FORCE an election here, down-under, its actually quite a while until the next election.. and if we can’t stop this idiotic tax, I suspect a whole lot of economic pain as well.

Andy G55

Further.. if money isn’t wasted now on such costly idiocies as wind turbines, solar farms and other money sinks, there will be more funds available to investigate more economically sensible alternatives, should they ever really be needed.

Mike Bromley the Kurd

I think there will be a ‘lag’ in the response of green-centered MSM as the defeat becomes obvious to THEM. It’s probably obvious to them now, but it will take a while to come out of denial. Like someone noted in the previous post about Lund University, do they look out the window? They spend so much time pushing the flagging agenda, that they don’t notice that decomposition has set in, and that the vultures are circling.

Geoff Sherrington

The pity of the Australian situation is that too many scientists contributed to public confusion. For all I know – because there are many scientists here more specialised than I am – many of the scientists copping some criticism might be quite correct. However, there are likely to be some who have been incorrect, yet they have failed to retract hypotheses when they discovered them to be wrong.
The political mess is one matter, but of more concern is the strange philosophy of scientists who guard their data, do not seek outside help to improve it and do no write corrections. Their unswaying obedience to the mantra is behind the strength of the political response.
We are used to erratic decisions from generalist politicians, but we are filled with trepidation if future generations of scientists do not learn how to conduct themselves with professionalism.

“People will embrace energy saving technology, but it takes time. And, the solution must have more value, not less.”
Exactly. I do not in the least claim to be an environmentalist. I think it is a polluted word. But I bought a used natural gas powered car with a state of Utah $2,500 tax credit and fill it with $1.27 per gallon fuel. I bought a fuel-efficient furnace. I recently added insulation to my home with a tax credit.
Why? Zero thought for the environment but all about saving myself money.
Frame your argument in terms of real economic savings for the individual, if you can. Not some nebulous future global environment disaster.

Gee! If only George Monbiot were to read Bob Carter’s book (as well as other excellent publications, of course) maybe he would realise that burning fossil fuels is not such a problem.

jorgekafkazar

Monbiot, like Trenberth, occasionally touches base with solid reality. Not often enough, unfortunately.
Instead of chasing fairies in the bottom of the garden, how about solving real problems: hunger, malaria, and bad water in the Third World? The present economic crisis, despite the rosy picture painted by politicians, is still with us. The eco-nut movement is proposing to attack waste with…more waste, in a grim, grey Socialist hell. .

Mac the Knife

“The way out, George, is the same as the way in. Let the free market decide. ”
Amen, Brother, Amen!!!! And ‘Don’t let the free market hit ya, on the way out!’

rbateman

There are only 4 forces in nature.
Man’s worst inventions are still Greed and the Lust for Power, neither of which advances any hope of a brighter future.

Tom T

Not really very realistic, still a lot of the world is going end stuff.

Larry in Texas

Good observations, Anthony. Much of my problem with the greens is how they attempt to force things to happen that can only happen naturally, over time, as events change (I often tell one of my favorite environmentalist friends that “you can’t force the love”).
We still, believe it or not, have plenty of oil, plenty of natural gas, plenty of opportunities to employ nuclear power, water power. As long as these things exist, and can be produced and distributed economically, there will be NO economical alternatives that anyone can persuade anyone to adopt. It is the nature of our modern society. Only when the horizon genuinely changes will there be a real ability to focus on alternatives. That, I say, is at least 200 years (if not more) down the road.
Creating a phony crisis to get people to adopt your policy solutions, at great expense and loss of freedom, is at best a charade. At its worst, it is Communism, Fascism, and Pol Pot-ism all wrapped into one.

Oh the irony!
History shows us that wherever large-scale collapse has occurred, psychopaths take over. ….
All of us in the environment movement, in other words – whether we propose accommodation, radical downsizing or collapse – are lost.

This part is good for what it realizes is missing, but still misses the big stuff.
Simon Fairlie …. exposes a remarkable but seldom noticed problem: that most of those who advocate an off-grid, land-based economy have made no provision for manufactures. … I’m talking about the energy required to make bricks, glass, metal tools and utensils, textiles, ceramics and soap: commodities that almost everyone sees as the barest possible requirements.
Somehow he does not mention all the wind turbines, photovoltaic panels, DC/AC inverters, and all the high tech computerized grid monitoring equipment to make them all play nice. Going 100% renewable will be a very high tech world, unless your plan is to live like it was 1650.

AusieDan

The problem for the Australian prime minister is that she wants to have her way (to tax human sourced carbon dioxide emissions) AND to have a consensus on this issue, before she acts.
That is proving rather difficult when 60% of the population now oppose such a tax and their numbers are swelling daily as people catch on to what’s involved.
There is however an elephant in the room.
The idea is that this proposed tax is not the end, merely the first bitter episode.
The idea is that the tax will be increased year by year, until the electricity generators fail and shut down, until the bulk of road and rail transport rust away and all farm animals are banned.
A low carbon future awaits.
Yum yum.
Goodie goody.
What will crack first?
The ecomony?
The Green – Independents – Labor coalition?
The Prime minister’s resolve?
Politics in Australia is very interesting at the moment.
(In the meanwhile the strength of our national ecomomy hangs on a slende thread.)
Will common sense come charging in to save us all at the last moment?
Watch this space – do NOT fall asleep!
This is fun.

Bernie Kelly

I do believe that G.M. is sincere in wanting what is best for the environment, AND humankind, hence his willingness to support nuclear power. Ironically, though very much a CAGW skeptic, I like the “believers” agree that we need to end our dependence on fossil fuels, albeit on a different timescale.
As an alternative to coal, that we should be pursuing nuclear energy is a no-brainer. Perhaps by working with people like George we could have a sensible outcome, even if we disagree about the models. There have been stranger bedfellows.

barking toad

Anthony, I thought you showed admirable restraint in your description of Julia Gillard (via Andrew Bolt). Many of us down under would have gone further – a lot further.
Keep on punching – the blows are starting to tell.

Werner Brozek

Mr. Monbiot clearly seems to know who he is up against. See
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/dec/02/cancun-climate-change-summit-monbiot
Cancún climate change summit: Is God determined to prevent a deal?
“Now He’s at it again. Last week, just before the resumption of last year’s failed climate talks, the UK recorded its lowest temperature for 25 years, just down the road from where I live. “

Douglas DC

Quite frankly, Moonbat and the Greens tend to give man more power than he has.
A good VE8 eruption, a X class Solar flare, Coronal Mass Ejections, i.e. a Carrington
type event. Humbling when you think about it…
Japan’s Earth quake is a good example…

Dave

A quick cautionary tale, why I’m no longer a believer in big government!
As A Canadian I care about Australia and it’s future.
We Canadians have always identified with Australians, and we have suffered for many years with the Leftist tax and spend government’s, public broadcasters (CBC) like ABC who always spin the socialist line.
They have longed for Cap and Trade and Carbon taxes. And they love and sign up for every pronouncement and regulation that comes out of the UN and the IPPC, the EU or the loony Global warming the end is near crowd?
Our governments have been determined control us though punitive tax and fees schemes starting with the liberals (socialists in sheep’s clothing) in the late 1960s, they invented big government, big spending, interference with our lives and huge crippling deficits.
Till the IMF called and told Canada it was weeks away from going broke just like in New Zealand.
We went through years of austerity, a collapsing 56% dollar, higher taxes and no increase in wages and sky-high prices for everything FOR 15 YEARS!!
We have had a Minority government for some time and it is NOT the way to go for ANY Country financially (Witness most of Europe) Leftist government’s always go the same root and are always the first in line to commit the long suffering taxpayers to crazy tax and spend scams, as is happening in Australia today.
We Canadians have dodged the global warming bullet/nuts, and now have a steady majority Conservative government and no crazy Carbon Tax / ETS plans for the next 4 + years, thank god.
Good luck Australia and America, you’re going to needs it for all our sakes!
Best wishes to all.
Dave.

Anything is possible

The potential for clean, renewable energy generation is almost unlimited. The Sahara Desert alone receives enough solar radiation to, theoretically at least, meet the world’s energy needs 1000 times over. Don’t like Solar? Take your pick from Nuclear, Hydro-electric. Wind, Wave or Tidal power. It’s all out there.
The problems as of now are cost, collection, storage and distribution. Technological solutions to these problems almost certainly exist, and seeking out these solutions should the world’s No.1 priority. If George Monbiot would like to move the debate in this direction, he will have my full support (Yikes!)
The potential rewards are enormous – a utopia of cheap, clean renewable energy for all. The people win. the environment wins and, best of all, the polarised and possibly unsolvable debate, about man’s impact on the Earth’s climate, becomes pretty much irrelevant.
(Reading this back, I think I must have over-dosed on Kool-Aid.) Sorry.

gallopingcamel

Monbiot is an engaging personality (on TV) who writes really well but I don’t buy his gloomy vision of our future as fossil fuels become more and more expensive.
Not long ago paleo-Monbiots were predicting dire consequences owing to the diminishing availability of the whale oil that was used for lighting. The predictions were entirely wrong as kerosene turned out to be an excellent substitute for whale oil at a tenth of the price.
Monbiot’s vision of our energy future will also be proved entirely wrong. My guess is that electricity generated by nuclear power will fill the gap when fossil fuels fail us.

HR

Following the GFC it seems ‘austerity politics’ is the norm worldwide (well at least in the moribund developed countries). Who isn’t belt tightening? The present UK government seems like a case in point, if the US legislature can get something agreed it’s going to be on similar lines. I had started thinking that the misanthropic, austerity politics of the greens would have started to chime with a wider audience given the times we are living through. I guess there’s only a certain amount of room on that particular bandwagon.

Mooloo

In the end Monbiot stills shows that he is at heart a Green with the “the planet’s real nightmare: not too little fossil fuel – but too much
He wants us to have to ration. He wants us to have to live less well. He wants us to deny to the Third World the advantages we have.
At heart he is in the hair shirt brigade. The Middle Ages had flagellants, and we have Greens. They want to hurt, and they want us all to hurt with them.
And, just like the flagellants, their evidence is as much faith based as reality based.
It’s not CAGW that is the real danger, but the idea that it would be good for the world to regress. That somehow doing with less is more moral. That suffering is inherently good.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Monbiot shouldn’t be given any credibility, he’s come out with too much dross in the past to be taken anywhere near seriously. He’s also guilty of ensuring that some comments made to his blog never got published (not mine, I hasten to add). The man is as guilty of alarming the public and letting them believe complete nonsense as many others – and must be remembered for this. Back-peddling now is not good enough George.

Mark A

Werner Brozek
“UK recorded its lowest temperature for 25 years”
Maybe it was in December last year, but I heard on the wireless this morning that the UK has a heatwave and bush fires, no rain in sight.

Martin Brumby

The Moonbat’s piece reveals a previously unsuspected gift for humour.
Or at least, I ASSUME it is humour.
It certainly had me laughing until I was gasping for breath.
He suffers from a similar problem to the Royal Academy of Engineering report:-
http://www.raeng.org.uk/news/releases/shownews.htm?NewsID=553
Mind boggling conclusions. But no check of the reality of the initial premise.

Does this mean we can’t call him Moonbat anymore?

Al Gore's Holy Hologram

When Monbiot thinks he has he upper hand he abuses whatever power and influence he thinks he has to the fullest extent. When he gets slapped down he cowers in the corner pretending to be a victim of errorsome humanity.
Worse than a politician.

UNPOPULAR I went on to a newspaper forum I used to frequent a couple of years ago. Then I was the only sceptic amongst a couple of dozen active alarmists.
Now, there are a couple of alarmists (one I think has a financial interest in wind so maybe only one actual believer) and everyone and I mean everyone else is sceptic. The world is now so full of us sceptics that there is hardly anywhere left to have a decent argument with an alarmist!
And very relevant to the story, the news count for “global warming”, which used to be around 20,000 (2007) which dropped to 10,000 before climategate and is now in the low 5000s; it is now at severe risk of being overtaken by the “peak oil” newscount which is now at 4000.
Why is this important? First, it was my naive attempt to add a link to peak oil from global warming on Wikipedia which showed me the true nature of the warmists: lying deceitful manipulative bullyboys. Second: I’m officially calling the global warming scam to have died its natural death when the “global warming” news count drops below “peak oil”. At the current rate, I think that will happen in the next couple of months … then of course we can all moan about the peak oil alarmism and the way the wind lobby are now trying to push the scare of peak oil in order to secure future subsidies … but, at least oil will run out, whereas it is still far from certain that CO2 will cause harmful warming.

Anthony,
“dimwitted liar” is such an uncharitable way to refer to poor Julia Gillard. She is destroying herself and immolating the Labor party. We should call her…. “Our secret weapon!!!” No one has helped clarify things like Ms. Gillard. You go girl!

Patrick Davis

“Mark A says:
May 4, 2011 at 11:12 pm”
Bush fires in the UK, yes that is correct however, just like in Australia most summers, most of those fires were started by arsonists.

gallopingcamel says: May 4, 2011 at 10:33 pm
“Not long ago paleo-Monbiots were predicting dire consequences owing to the diminishing availability of the whale oil that was used for lighting. The predictions were entirely wrong as kerosene turned out to be an excellent substitute for whale oil at a tenth of the price.”
Gallopingcamel, by a series of dumb luck, our civilisation has found more and more energy supplies: coal, oil and nuclear. It is therefore understandable that people have the belief that when one source of fuel runs out, that there will magically (“as always”) be another source of fuel. After all it simply isn’t possible to conceive of a Western economy without the energy to run it … and therefore, most people assume, there must be another form of energy just around the corner when our current energy supplies run out.
Well … that’s about as stupid a logic as saying: “CO2 must have some impact on planet earth” … both are entirely irrational
Now, I’m not saying peak oil will be the end of the Western civilisation (more accurately “modern” civilisation), but neither can I honestly say it won’t. To me, peak oil doesn’t so much mean the end of oil: it means the end of known supplies of oil … it means we are moving from the known, certain world of established supplies, to the uncertain world of diminishing known supplies and a huge big unknown as to how our demand for oil can be satisfied by unknown supplies.
At one end, it is entirely conceivable that the Arab countries have been vastly overstating their oil reserves, that shale oil is only enerconic in small pockets, and that wind, nuclear and all other fuels are entirely inadequate to fill the demand for oil leading to a rapid run on coal, which itself has had the best reserves dug out. On a worst scenario, we are talking mass starvation (food production uses huge amounts of oil), armies of billions of people trying to secure food/energy and a series of regional wars heading rapidly to WWIII. At the other end of the scale is: “business as usual”. (I.e. people who are at heart global warmist’s in that they actually believe we can: “continue using fossil fuels at the current rate … and the worst that will happen is some warmer weather”)
Personally, I’m in the camp that says: “We really have to understand the true extent of our future energy supplies … forget I’ll Kidya, forget global warming, forget Libya, Israel, etc. … the megalosaurus in the dunny is that we simply have no idea where the key energy supplies that sustain our western economy will come from in the next few decades let alone the next century. The real crime of global warming is that if we had spent even a fraction of the money wasted on this global warming nonsense, we would by now have had a very clear idea of what practical energy supplies are available for the next century.
And you know what! Sometime I wonder whether global warming was deliberately stoked up by some government(s) or some oil suppliers either to hide the nature of peak oil, or to provide a smoke screen to e.g. secure all the available oil reserves before other countries cottoned on to the fake nature of global warming and the true nature of peak oil
And who are the big alarmist nations!! The US and the UK. So as a true patriot, should I just hope that the secret service of our countries have all got a cunning plan … somehow I think not!

sandyinderby

Mark A says:
May 4, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Werner Brozek
“UK recorded its lowest temperature for 25 years”
Maybe it was in December last year, but I heard on the wireless this morning that the UK has a heatwave and bush fires, no rain in sight.
That’s just typical British weather; rain forecast for the next few days btw.

I think in George Monbiot we are seeing a conversion. His column re a debate between himself and Helen Caldicott, beginning…Over the last fortnight I’ve made a deeply troubling discovery. The anti-nuclear movement to which I once belonged has misled the world about the impacts of radiation on human health…is a staggering recantation, and shows that the whole green edifice is about to fall.
I will certainly not refer to him in derogatory terms on my blog, and imagine that the green wrath descending on him will inspire further soul searching on his part.
see…http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-misled-world/print

EternalOptimist

If only man could harness the power of Julia Gillards jaw

David, UK

Monbiot: It is a campaign not for abundance but for austerity. It is a campaign not for more freedom but for less. Strangest of all, it is a campaign not just against other people, but against ourselves.
Well, that just about sums up socialism. I wonder if he’ll get the reality of that next.

Martin Brumby says: May 4, 2011 at 11:35 pm
“The Moonbat’s piece … had me laughing until I was gasping for breath.
He suffers from a similar problem to the Royal Academy of Engineering report:-
http://www.raeng.org.uk/news/releases/shownews.htm?NewsID=553

Martin Brumby,
I don’t understand your comment. If you are saying the premise is that we have to cut fossil fuel BECAUSE of global warming, then I entirely agree with you. But the conclusion is more “if we are to meet this … then the implication is this”:
“Whatever happens in the future, we need to recognise that the changes required to the UK energy system required in order to meet the 2050 emissions reduction targets are so substantial that they will inevitably involve significant rises in energy cost to end users.”
This is simply a statement of fact. If anyone were stupid enough to try to proactively reduce energy use (which is extremely closely correlated to GDP so in effect “try to reduce GDP”), then they will certainly have a mega huge problem trying to do so. Which is born out by the way all previous attempts in this area have been abysmal failures (and in my opinion will continue to be so)
The key to the problem is in the connection between GDP and energy use. The problem is that people seem to think that they can create new economic activity to reduce energy use. Because energy and GDP are so closely linked, this is really saying: “create more economic activity to reduce economic activity”.
The kind of nonsense is exemplified by attempts to introduce “energy saving” schemes. What is the effect of saving energy? It is to save energy usage and therefore money! And what do people do with the money they save? They spend it! And so, from spending money/energy on e.g. electricity, they go to spending money/energy on extra holidays. The net result is not to reduce energy usage, but to transfer energy consumption from one area (electricity) to another (foreign holidays, luxury goods in China). Indeed, some naive civil servants might actually believe that energy efficiency works in their country because their energy usage is going down, but the reality is that manufacturing is going abroad, people are spending money abroad rather than at home, and in the end the result is the present economic mess of the US, UK, etc.
The truth is that reducing energy usage is simple:
1. Reduce population
2. Reduce standard of living

Jimbo

The following quotes demonstrate why the AGW is living in a windmill fantasy world.

Monbiot
“We’ll be able to get past this only by grasping reality, apologising where appropriate and demonstrating that it cannot happen again.”

Monbiot
“All of us in the environment movement, in other words – whether we propose accommodation, radical downsizing or collapse – are lost. None of us yet has a convincing account of how humanity can get out of this mess.”

Anthony Watts
“People will embrace energy saving technology, but it takes time. And, the solution must have more value, not less. The modern world wasn’t built in 100 days, and neither will the postmodern.”

WUWT and other excellent sites have demonsrated, time and again, that their ‘solutions’ are naive / disingenuous and people, like Turkeys, will never vote for Christmas. This is why the AGW movement is acting in a wild and desperate manner.
For the record George Monbiot, like his fellow Warmist Dr. James Lovelock, is pro-nuclear.

Jimbo

Here is more candour from George Monbiot – the self-confessed hypocrite.

“Show me an environmentalist, and I will show you a hypocrite.”
““Consumer democracy”, “voluntary simplicity” and “mindful living” have proved to be a disastrous distraction from the political battle. They don’t work for all sorts of reasons, but above all because of the staggering hypocrisy of well-meaning people.”
Source: Monbiot.com

Jimbo

And finally……………………..George Monbiot should stop listening to idiotic climate scientists otherwise he will continue to make failed predictions.

George Monbiot – 2005
“The freezes this country suffered in 1982 and 1963 are – unless the Gulf Stream stops – unlikely to recur. Our summers will be long and warm. Across most of the upper northern hemisphere, climate change, so far, has been kind to us.”
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/02/15/mocking-our-dreams/

Then the reality smacks head first.
UK winter snow since 2007

Evening Standard – 8 February 2007
“Airports close as snow brings travel chaos to Britain”

UPI – 2 December 2008
“Early snow blanketed much of Britain Tuesday,…”

Guardian – 2 February 2009
“Transport hit as UK wakes to heaviest snow in decades

BBC – 7 January 2010
“Frozen Britain seen from above”

Reuters – 13 January 2010
“Britain, shivering through its coldest winter in three decades…”

BBC – 25 November 2010
“The earliest widespread snowfall for 17 years has gripped many parts of the UK.”

Christopher Hanley

Another jeremiad from one of Britain’s leading miserablists, dismayed that the economic collapse he so yearns for has not yet happened.
Human beings are a plaque on the Earth.
My God, he’s seen with his very own eyes people in east Africa, deprived of paraffin and kerosene, actually cut down trees rather than give up cooking!
This example apparently ” illustrates that wherever large-scale collapse has occurred [‘collapse’ is used 6 times], psychopaths take over “. He sounds as loopy as ever.
It will get to the stage when Monbiot and his ilk will have forgotten why they want to decarbonize everything, along the lines of Santayana’s famous quote.

Jimbo

Over at the Guardian there is a lot of talk about population control. These nutters are going to have a reality check on exactly HOW they think they will achieve this? My answer is – you first. Leave me and my 10 kids alone. ;O)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/02/environmental-fixes-all-greens-lost

John Gorter

John Karajas – you are still around!
Regards
John Gorter

Don’t forget Portugal’s elections, in exactly one month…
Ecotretas

Jack Savage

Monbiot is not a stupid man. The scales fell from his eyes after “Climategate” and he has been shiftily rowing back ever since from his pre-Climategate hysteria about CO2. Not easy, considering what a rabid frother he was at that time.
However, as others have said here, I too will not forget his journalism and neither, fortunately, will the Internet.
Particularly unforgiveable was his “Top Ten Climate Deniers” article.
Revenge is a dish best served cold…..or at least with some statistically significant cooling.

john douglas

WATCH THE BLACK SWAN!
Google : Andrea Rossi E-CAT Bologna University LENR CANR
Since January my Google Alerts have increased to at leasst three a day and the Chairman of the Swedish Sceptics Society is convinced.

John Marshall

If it was not for CO2 there would be NO life on Earth. Monbiot still does not believe this simple fact. His new stance is not a softening of beliefs but another way to persuade people that the ‘greens’ are correct.

Dr T G Watkins

The comments in the Guardian nearly all mention population control and this surely is the ultimate aim of ‘environmentalists’.
I am not a conspiracy theorist but I have heard the suggestion that ‘global players’ above government level have pushed and financed cAGW as a way of reducing population via limiting energy, particularly to the developing world.
Liquid fluoride thorium reactors or some other nuclear technology is the way to go.

Gareth Phillips

I must admit that my solar powered water heating, insulation and renewable energy source ( I burn coppiced ash) has saved me a fortune in energy bills. I also like growing my own food and keep livestock. Am I an environmentalist or a clever capitalist? I think climate change science has been badly undermined by vested interests, does that make me a denier? Maybe it’s time we stopped using these words as the dividing line becomes more fuzzy. While some posters really worry about renewable energy and condemn it at every opportunity, it can be really useful, and anyone who condemns it on principle without thinking it through is behaving just as badly as any mad warmist crusty at Glastonbury. If it works, use it and don’t worry to much about your image or politics. You have the worlds full permission to be an evironmentalist/skeptic/green/republican/conservative activist if you want. I’ll even send you a permission slip.

martin mason

There is no such thing as peak oil as supply and demand are always balanced by price until it runs out which it never does for the same reason. The correct solution for population and energy supply is the market and politicians should stay out of it if they want to see solutions.

Steve Crook

@David, UK
Yes, read some of the comments on the MB piece. Most advocate population control as a solution to the problem. It’s ironic because they’re using the very same ‘magic thinking’ that Monbiot complains of.