"Justice has been done" – UPDATE: Osama Bin Laden compound found on Google Earth

In reference to what? The reduction in temperatures that could be seen by the 24th Century if our forcing estimates are possibly correct?

Thank you Anthony. Being from the UK, I have just woken up, enjoying my tea with my daily WUWT, I had no idea what this was about. As I have a boycott against Google, Bing was my friend. This is indeed great news.
The proverb fit perfectly.

I suspect that Bin Laden has been dead for years.

I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure. – Mark Twain

My! I best open mouth, change feet. Weird: I come back from my September hitch in Iraq…on the 11th. I can only imagine what airport security is going to be like, now that the martyr is a fact. Losing the godfather is likely to stir up a hive of hornets.

Wonderful news.
Ted says:
May 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm
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Well, maybe, but I think I’ll go with Totten’s opinion:
“Remember shortly after 9/11 when a certain kind of pacifist said that a thousand terrorists will rise to replace every one we kill? It was crap then, and it’s crap now. There is absolutely no up side to this for Al Qaeda at all.”

“Discussing climate change is not an intellectual luxury, but a reality. All of the industrialised countries, especially the big ones, bear responsibility for the global warming crisis.” – Osama Bin Laden, 2010
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2jb7fk7.jpg

Given OBL’s comments about global warming – I thought that he’d be found in a UHI affected environment…

It appears that Bin Laden’s 72 virgins are a bunch of guys who love to play World of Warcraft all the time. ;-))

WUWT beat out CNN. Watching CNN and they were showing the general area of the compound location, they did not know the exact location. I then check WUWT before bed, ya got it bad, and there is the picture of the compund.

I’m not so sure about the landing. They might very well have done fast rope insertion into the compound, then headed for flat ground or roof nearby as LZ to use for extraction.
I doubt that such operational details will ever be revealed, though. Wouldn’t want the next guy to have info like that.

About time. It should have happened years ago. It probably would have happened years ago if Bush hadn’t got sidetracked in Iraq.

One down, the rest of the nutjob organisation to go…

Yes, the new location is more consistent with the reports I have been hearing. Great job, Mr. Watts.

Just excellent news!
OBL – – DEAD with a bullet to the head, hunted down in his own nest…
Congrats to my neighbours your navy seals are the best, this is such welcome news.
For me, this is how war on terrorists should be done – up close, personal, unrelenting and very final.

crosspatch…buring down the evidence no doubt.

Keith in Perth says:
May 1, 2011 at 10:38 pm
It would have been justice if the UN, Interpol or Pakistan had captured him, and then tried him and executed him.
The US going into another country and blowing people up is revenge

You are under the mistaken impression this was a law enforcement matter, and Interpol or the United Nations had jurisdiction.
He issued a formal written declaration of war against the U.S. and all our allies in 1998, then backed it up with several unprovoked attacks, that in the case of the U.S. killed 3,000 , not to mention their attack on the U.S.S. Cole DDG-67 a capital ship of the U.S Navy, while in harbor killing 17 crew members and injuring 39.
If any nation in the world had done either of those things it would be universally recognized as an act of war, and it is perfectly legitimate for the attacked party to respond in kind any where any time they can find the “head of state” of the attacking nation.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html

” On that basis, and in compliance with God’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, “and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,” and “fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God.”

He was the leader of a group at war with the U.S. and we have every right to take what ever measures are necessary any where in the world to take him down. This has been established by precedent for literally 1000’s of years. There is not a single major nation in the world that has not taken similar lethal action against a foreign belligerent be they nation or criminal organization while engaged in recognized open warfare.
The same legitimacy would have attached if the group that took action was from the UK or Spain or any other nation that had suffered a direct attack on their soil or their overseas interests.
He started it, and paid the price for his actions.
Larry

Now we turn our attention to Mr. Zawahiri.

I’m not buying any more underwear or sweat socks that say “Made in Pakistan”.
I wasn’t going to anyway ’cause their cotton gives me a rash.
Now I declare a Boy-Cott-On !

Per Matt Drudge:
CNN is reporting that bin Laden’s body as already been buried at sea.

Fire on the compound could be the US helicopter that crashed at the location and not the compound itself.

Gruesome picture at this link. Also additional statement that body has already been buried at sea.
NOTE: GRAPHIC IMAGE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382649/Osama-bin-Laden-worlds-wanted-terrorist-killed-U-S-forces-Pakistan.html

It is important that we remember that this man was a mass murderer who killed more Americans than the Japanese fleet killed at both Pearl Harbor and Midway combined.

Justice done, which would not have been the case if anyone other than the US military had been involved.
Scotland would have let the poor diabetic Bin Laden off for ‘humanitarian relief (*cough, cough* OIL contract) reasons’, and the UN would probably have appointed him to the IPCC, the open seat on the human rights panel having already been promised to Syria.
Waltz on, GI Joe, waltz on.

This operation was done all wrong. They should have taken him alive, drugged him then photographed him in compromise with some transvestites… then held him in seclusion or quietly executed him… NOT a single Muslim would have praised him or followed in his footsteps… instead, he will be sold to terrorist recruits as a martyr who went down in a blaze of glory.
This President is only going to cost more American lives

Another U.S. official told CNN that bin Laden has already been buried at sea. The official said his body was handled in the Islamic tradition, but did not elaborate.
A senior administration official also said bin Laden’s body would be “handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. This is something that we take very seriously, and so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner.”

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid/
…can’t say that I’d be as politically correct as this Administration if I were in charge of the memorial service….oh well, the bastard’s dead, good riddance.

rosspatch says:
May 2, 2011 at 12:32 am
The linked image was on the internet months before today.
Ignoring the link I give, it is not Osama, who in his last pictures/videos ten years ago looked gray and emaciated like an el greco figure.
Why the hurry to bury the body at sea? so that no DNA can be done ?
Personally I believe that he has been dead for a long time, Benazir Butto also had said so, and just kept as a bogey figure by the US for its own political ends. Some years ago they were showing pictures of bearded men that in no way even resembled Osama. I guess to the US eyes any dark man with a bear is an Osama look alike.

The LAST place you want to go for facts for a breaking story like this is Wikipedia.

kuhnkat…the funny thing is, the picture IS a fake…but you are laughably wrong since that picture is VERIFIEDto be him. The fakery was that someone took a picture of him from video he made, and photoshopped the wounds on him. But it makes your “bone structure” comment pretty damn funny.

Bin Laden always said the difference between him and us was that he loved death, while we loved life. He should enjoy death now. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. /sarc
I would have preferred to take his body under guard to Death Valley, California, to rot out in the open sun for Al Jazeera and all the Arab nations to see, just the way the terrorists in Iraq took some of the bodies of our military and our security contractors there and displayed them hanging. It would be a fitting thing to do, in all justice.
For Keith in Perth: Bin Laden would not have surrendered peacefully; he always announced his intention to die fighting, and it appears from the Daily Mail news piece that he did exactly that instead of surrender (although I will await further confirmation, because first media reports can be wrong). So I am not surprised, and it IS justice, because that is how war works with someone who declared war on us.

Osama was a dangerous man, albeit one who worked for the American backed Mujhadeen against the Russian’s in Afganistan but he clearly played some part in 9/11 and the smart money is he bankrolled it rather than planned it.
However the extent of the 9/11 attacks were so great that there had to be some internal help and a huge political and media cover up.
If there is a catastrophic breakdown of the US Air Defense system then people should have been held responsible…. they were not.
What is more the official version of how the towers collapsed and the damage at the Pentgon not corresponding with a hit from a 757 is as mystifying as the climate nonsense we ridicule on a daily basis.
I wonder what happens now?….do we all come home….PLEASE…..or is it a question of stirring up the hornets nest for an escallation of even more violence.

Ted says:
May 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Great news!
But wait for it?
By being killed, he has become a martyr for the Islamic fanatics cause, I see a huge upsurge in terrorism!
Don’t shoot the messenger, I just hope I’m wrong.
What?! How dare you! Right then – a Fatwa be on your head, infidel!
But first I shall allow myself an evil laugh. Ahem. Here it comes…
Mmmmmmwahahahahahahahaha!

crosspatch (May 2, 2011 at 12:37 am )
Why buried away in such a hurry?
When all we have is a fake image of his dead body.

AGW Moriarty says:
May 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm
I suspect that Bin Laden has been dead for years.
Either that or it’s all a con and he’s really still at large. Maybe under the protection of the CIA.
Or maybe this story is actually true.
I’m only being a little ironic. When you think about it: who knows what to believe these days from our governments? Cynical? Moi?

Isn’t Abbottabad next to Costellabad, on the slopes of the Stan&Ollie Mountains?
ps conspiracy theories will abound. How boring. Well, if he’s alive, all he has to do is show up. People that don’t believe he’s dead, should first and foremost state what would make them change their mind: otherwise, no evidence will ever be good, and there’s nothing to talk about.
And remember, the semi-official hunt for Hitler wasn’t called off for decades after he shot himself.

my most recent comment has disappeared too, rather than remain on-screen marked “awaiting moderation”…

A Cricket Pitch just over the wall; shades of the Khyber Rifles…

Scottish Sceptic says:
May 2, 2011 at 12:04 am
Whilst I’m glad bin ladin has finally been removed, one must not forget the 100,000 Iraqis whose lives were taken against international law using the excuse of Bin Ladin to pursue their own political aims.
_________________________________________
Are you really that stupid?

I’d rather trust the late Benazir’s declaration ( → 2:12) that he was already dead then (2007).
In light of Obama’s long-withheld and evidently-fake birth-certificate (see eg, ), this could well be a follow-up fraud to rescue his credulity.

I am glad that Uncle Sam finally nailed that little maggot.
I also think that Pakistan has some explaining to do if they are going to try and claim that their ISI did not know about this.

Oops, didn’t realise there was more than one Keith! My comment refers to the resident of Perth.

Muslim practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours. An assumption is that Saudi Arabia, where his family lives, won’t accept the body. U.S. officials said bin Laden was buried at sea.

Is there a photo or video of him dead?

I’d rather trust the late Benazir Bhutto’s declaration ( @→ 2:12) that he was already dead then (2007).
In light of Obama’s long-withheld and evidently-fake birth-certificate (see eg, ), this could well be a follow-up fraud to rescue his credulity.
— it looks like all the evidence has been disposed-of.

Scottish Sceptic – you do an injustice to sceptics everywhere. Most of the 100,000 were killed by fellow muslims in post invasion terror attacks.
Sad though each death is, the number of deaths directly linked to the invasion is relatively low.

One cockroach down, 10 million to go.

A wonderful morning! 🙂

I don’t think that’s the location. Reports say the mansion was constructed in 2005, and that imagery is from March, 2001 — before it was built.

Bin Laden’s house

brian says:
May 2, 2011 at 12:09 am
@hotrod: Great news he’s dead, the (civilized) world will be celebrating, but on your point about war, if you’re right why aren’t the prisoners treated according to the Geneva Convention.

Brian,
They are. Check out the section about combatants not in uniform.

brian says:
May 2, 2011 at 12:09 am
@hotrod: Great news he’s dead, the (civilized) world will be celebrating, but on your point about war, if you’re right why aren’t the prisoners treated according to the Geneva Convention.

The Geneva Conventions applies to combatants fighting under the flag of a sovereign nation that is a signatory to the convention. Obviously al-Qaida is neither a sovereign nor a signatory to the convention.
Moreover even if the above conditions are met individual combatants must meet some tests in order to be treated as protected prisoners of war. Among these tests are carrying arms openly and to be somehow distinguishable at a distance from non-combatants. In the usual sense this means they are uniformed combatants where the uniform serves to distinguish them from non-combatants at a distance.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant#Prisoners_of_war

This story has a very odd taste to it.
Why was the body buried hastily at sea?
Reminds me of a WWII story about a body planted by submarine with a false identity.

I’ll believe it when the body is presented for a detailed autopsy. Anything other than that would be suspect.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/osama-bin-laden-dead-reports/story-e6frg6so-1226048559518
“Tonight it emerged that bin Laden had been buried at sea”
My skeptic sense is tingling…

Scottish Sceptic says:
May 2, 2011 at 12:04 am
Whilst I’m glad bin ladin has finally been removed, one must not forget the 100,000 Iraqis whose lives were taken against international law using the excuse of Bin Ladin to pursue their own political aims.

Actually the Gulf War of 1991 had never ended. No treaty ending the war was ever signed. A cease-fire agreement ended the hostilities. The terms of the agreement were clearly violated with the United Nations issuing warning after warning and sanction after sancton for violations of the agreement. Thus the U.S. was not only still legally at war with Iraq in 2003 but also able to legally engage in hostile actions according to international law. I defy you to identify any other sovereign nation in the world which goes to such trouble and expense as the United States to limit civilian casualties in war through both limiting targets to those where there high confidence of military relevance and precision guided tactical weapons. Moreover I defy you to name another sovereign nation which goes to such expense in helping a defeated nation to rebuild and rejoin the international community.

Next target, al-Zawahiri, after him, the traitor Adam Gadhan.

Keith in Perth says:
May 1, 2011 at 11:45 pm
but Keith consider :
Guilty – by his own admission – enough for a trial in absentia. Guilty of mass murder.
also – he was a self admitted terrorist AND he had ‘declared war’ on the west. (the fact a private citizen can not declare war; a prerogative reserved to States is a mote point). So he is also guilty of war crimes; and crimes against humanity.
So – if a state of war existed between AQ & the US/UK/Spain/ etc then he becomes a military target. I think a damned good case of ‘Hot Pursuit’ could be made – which means this action HAS the approval of the UN (Hot Pursuit being explicitly allowed by the UN where the nation state can not or will not take action). After all the man was still actively behaving as a military commander. So what crime would you have Interpol arraign him for ?
So the UN is (according to its articles) in agreement with the US action; the Pakistanis have demonstrated they are unable to deal with AQ; and no civil crimes have been committed. No UN involvement needed; no Interpol interest; and Pakistan could not deal with ‘unauthorised military action from their sovereign territory.
Terrorists should be treated like pirates; executed on sight – and if you publicly claim to be a terrorist then that admittance should be taken on face value and you should then suffer the consequences when you are located.
AQ and OBL refused to acknowledge the rule of (Western) civilized law; why do people constantly try to pretend we should deal with such people on other than their own terms ? He has been treated in EXACTLY the same way he would treat you or me. Unless you are Islamic you, as well as me, were his declared enemies; what is so hard to understand about their nihilistic philosophy; they have stated time after time – and acted to prove they mean what they say – that they believe in death BY ANY MEANS to their enemies. And their enemies are any one who is NOT Islamic; and quite a few who are Islamic.
I refuse to accept that someone who declares frequently that civilized laws do not apply to his actions has any right to be treated under the terms of the legal system/government/philosophy that they refuse to acknowledge. If OBL wanted a fair trail under Western style jurisprudence all he had to do was renounce his interpretation of Islamic Shari-ah Law. But I suspect there will be people who will say he has a ‘human right’ to hold his beliefs – which is more sacrosanct than the human right of everyone else to not be murdered by petty tyrants and ideologues.
Yes it may well be revenge; something OBL’s own philosophy APPROVES of and heartily endorses as correct action.
So the correct response to the screams of outrage that will shortly be orchestrated by the useful idiots and western hating fellow travellers ; is merely to point out that ‘he was done to as he demanded he had the right to do to others’
I am pleasantly surprised that Pres. Obama actually approved this action ! Well done the Yanks !

Inside the Operation That Brought Down Osama Bin Laden – ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=13506413&sid=3029941
…Remarkably, Bin Laden was hiding almost under the nose of the Pakistani military, which has a major garrison in Abbottabad and the Pakistani version of West Point.
U.S. officials say Pakistan was not informed in advance of the military operation inside their borders…

White House will post a digital image of Osama’s death certificate.
Bill O’Reilly and The Wall Street Journal editorial will say that if you don’t believe it, you are a pinhead, a nutcase, and a retrograde.
Case closed.

@sunspot says: May 2, 2011 at 2:07 am
“sunspot” whomever you are STOP using an abbreviated version of my moniker.
Signed the real “Sun Spot”

Finally! We got him.
Question. The image date in the lower left hand corner reads “3/22/2001”. Is this correct? Because if it is, then the location of the compound might be correct but from reports this morning the compound was built around 2005 so the buildings shown wouldn’t be what was raided Sunday.
Just wondering.

So – he wasn’t holed up in a cave somewhere on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border – but living in some comfort with his family around him – and I’m betting with at least one American air conditioner to keep them all cool..!
No phone..? No internet..? Surely SOMEONE in authority in Pakistan knew who it was in there – no tax records or ANYTHING..??

My cousin was on the USS Cole. she had skipped chow. Saved her life. The Paks hav esome ‘splainin’ to do. We are not done with this thing. I have known a few SEAL
team members over the years. This is a good thing.
God Bless the USA and the United States Navy.

While the death of just about anyone is never cause for celebration, this man ranks among those that miss the bar for dignified grieving. The death of OBL rates among the deaths of Hitler or Ted Bundy. I hope news of Bin Laden’s death will help my friends in America move a little closer to a greater sense of justice for the despicable attacks of September 11, 2001.
Enjoy this day America.

I’m guessing Akismet snagged my comment. There will likely be many such catches today! lol I’m thinking many words used in this thread are likely automatically tagged a spam.

In the words of Doc Holliday (as played by Val Kilmer) “It is not revenge he is after but a reckoning.”
Quite the little nest of ” Trufers” here at WUWT. I never would have seen the connection between the ACGWCWD (AnthropogenicCathostrophicGlobalWarmColdWetDry) conspiracy and the fake Osama assassination. It is all One. All together now…”Down and to the left. Down and to the left.”
I am disturbed by the victory dance in front of the White House. The only difference between that and the “Arab Street” after 9-11 is the absence of Kalishnikov’s which, although needed in D.C. are never appropriate in front of the White House.
I am, as a Catholic, obliged to go with “…Lead all souls to heaven especially those most in need of Thy mercy.” On the other hand I am roasting up a batch of my outstanding Moka Java for my favorite retired Navy SEAL…whose son, also a SEAL, has been in Afghanistan for the past month or so.

For those people that believe that murderous maggot should have been captured and tried by an outside entity (someone other than the U.S.), we’ve seen how other nations handle “justice”. Just ask Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.

…….recalled an elite U.S. marine unit that handles chemical and biological weapons attacks in preparation for the possibility of terrorist reprisals……..Already the 145 members of the Marines’ elite Chemical Biological Incident Response Force are departing Japan, where they’ve been supporting radiation remediation efforts in the wake of the March earthquake. The unit has been recalled to the United States, ready to respond to any potential emergency as a result of an attack…….
http://abcnews.go.com/US/death-osama-bin-laden-trigger-terror-supporters-al/story?id=13505844

……..al-Qaeda has hidden a nuclear bomb in Europe which will unleash a “nuclear hellstorm” if Osama bin Laden is captured….. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told Guantanamo Bay interrogators the terror group would detonate the nuclear device if the al-Qaeda chief was captured or killed……..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8241119/capturing-bin-laden-would-unleash-hell

It’s disturbing to see how many people believe the Osama legend. Folks around here are fully aware that the “mainstream” media lie every day about global warming / climate change / climate crisis / rising oceans / dying polar bears / and all that garbage, yet you think these same liars magically turn into truthful cub scouts when they report about the “terrorists” and all their evil plots? What gives?
The truth about Osama bin Laden is:
• he was backed by the CIA since the 1980’s war against Afghanistan
• CIA backing continued uninterrupted right up to the morning of September 11th
• CIA kept a database of all the trainees @ Osama’s Afghanistan terrorist base – the database was called “The Base” or “Al Qaeda” for use as future provacateurs and patsies
• Osama was in America under the name Tim Osman well before 9/11 aided by US intelligence assets
• As US forces closed in on Osama’s cave network at the outset of the Afghanistan war special forces were held back by superiors while Osama escaped into Pakistan – those special forces soldiers were systematically “suicided” after returning home to the US
• it’s very likely that Osama bin Laden died early 2002
• every single video and audio message supposedly showing Osama or his voice have been proven forgeries
• Osama did release an authentic message – in which he denied involvement in the attacks of Sept. 11th
More details @ infowars w/ links to sources:
{ “In February, 2004, Iranian state radio claimed Osama bin Laden had been captured in Pakistan’s border region with Afghanistan “a long time ago.” Pentagon and Pakistani officials denied the report. “Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election,” the radio report said.
Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure soon after the September 11, 2001, attacks. In 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had kidney disease, and that he had required a dialysis machine when he lived in Afghanistan. That same year, the FBI’s top counterterrorism official, Dale Watson, said, “I personally think he is probably not with us anymore.”
A Taliban leader told the Pakistan Observer on December 21, 2002, that Bin Laden was suffering from a serious lung complication and died in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief, according to Fox News.
Alex Jones was told live on the radio in 2002 by high-level Council on Foreign Relations members that Osama Bin Laden had died of kidney failure in early 2002.
“I have it from high level [sources] from inside the Bush administration…that bin Laden died of natural causes and that his family has given the body to the CIA, that they’re gonna roll him out right before the election, that he’s on ice right now. They will claim they killed him right before the election,” Alex said at the time.
“Jones gave a caution that the intelligence could be disinformation but claimed that his base in Austin was extremely close to the Bush administration and similar information received in the past had been credible,” Paul Joseph Watson wrote in August of 2002.
During the 2004 election, CNN reported that Democratic insiders had been told that George W. Bush was going to use the Bin Laden body as an ace-in-the-hole if he thought he was in danger of losing the 2004 election. This confirmed the evidence that Jones had been given by the CFR and others.
In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.” }
http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/
It’s time to wake up and realize that it’s all lies, all fake.
Fake fiat money, faked terror attacks by fake terrorists, fake justifications for fake wars, faked climate change science, faked vaccination science, faked fluoridation science, fake news every day, fake budget with faked numbers, fake opinion polls, fake electronic elections, fake food with fake additives, fake president with a faked birth certificate { http://www.naturalnews.com/032217_Obama_birth_certificate.html }
Here’s someone who can bring back some reality to this mess:
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
Support this guy by making a contribution on May 5th. Let’s show the world we’re not buying anymore fakes.

“It probably would have happened years ago if Bush hadn’t got sidetracked in Iraq.”
Nonsense. There was no “sidetrack”, as the nation is capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.
And I see the Luap Nor lunatics are chiming in, too. Hey, “epileptic” or whatever your nom do spume is — I heard Tim Osman was a Ron Paul volunteer a couple of campaigns ago. Seriously, you should look into it.

RE: Fake photo
The photo referenced by crosspatch appears to me to be a skewed picture. The format shown looks to be 16:9 and if made into a 4:3, then the face is thinner and looks more like that of bin Laden.
As to whether this is a fake or not, I have no clue. However, I will reiterate that this photo has been stretched in the horizontal which happens on new flat screen TVs. Many places and people will not correct the horizontally stretched format as they think the screen must be completely filled in 16:9 and not shown in 4:3.

Rob Crawford – I like your song “The Proof”
http://www.robcrawford.com/
… also enjoyed that picture of your twins –
http://robcrawford.ca/
… also noticed you work as a success coach, Google, Vodafone, Kernel Resources, Cigna Tel-Drug, Liquid Networx, Breakthrough Performance, UNLV Beverage Club, Goodwin Proctor LLP, ARC, and the Life Development Institute…
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Robert/Crawford
So your “real name” ( 10,600,000 results in .07 seconds ) is clearly better than my internet handle! Hats off to you sir!
Q. As a reader of a climate science website you must surely know what “ecliptic” means?

To PF
Where he’s ending up….. I don’t think he’ll find many virgins among the flames

Keith in Perth says:
May 1, 2011 at 10:38 pm

It would have been justice if the UN, Interpol or Pakistan had captured him, and then tried him and executed him.
The US going into another country and blowing people up is revenge

Seems to me that Obama instructed his 19 knaves to hit the US with airplane bombs… Tell me, that was justice?? THAT was going into another country and blowing people up! The US has the right–indeed, the OBLIGATION to defend itself (Osama wasn’t killed with a bomb, by the way), find terrorist masterminds anywhere on the planet, and bring them to justice or revenge–your choice. In other words, DEAD!
Do you object to the objective, the methodology, or just the verbage used? The US has not transferred its sovereign responsibility to some pseudo organization like the UN, Interpol or (especially) Pakistan, and never will. (You’re kidding me if you believe Pakistan would have taken this guy out!)

ecliptic just demonstrated why I don’t use my real name on the internet, too many thin skinned wackos with nothing but revenge in their minds and hearts…sad, but that’s the reality of this medium.

One interesting thing that was brought up by WSJ reporter Tom Wright:
Arch-terrorist and longtime Bin Laden crony Umar Patek was also captured in Abbottabad three months ago. Pakistan intelligence are saying they were led to the location of OBL after this arrest. We are saying we knew about it 8 months ago.
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/how-umar-pateks-road-came-to-an-end-in-pakistan/435584
Patek must have done something completely boneheaded if he was arrested in Abbottabad and OBL didn’t flee. Either that or Pakistani intelligence had convinced OBL that they would protect him.

The reported rapid burial at sea activity, if true, looks to me to be a preemptive move calculated to ensure control of the media.
If so, nice move.
John

I am sorry if this is repeating another posters concerns but the time line of events is a little worrying.
DNA tests take 5 to 7 days with a good source of physical material taken by a qualified person in clean conditions yet we have been informed that DNA tests confirm that the body supposedly taken yesterday proves with 99.9% certainty that it is the body of Bin Laden. The Seals would have had to go in, kill the mark, take the corpse back to Bagram hospital, get samples and perform a full autopsy and take pictures after cleaning up the corpse and then put it on a C130 for transit to a suitable area at sea in the space of a few hours.
Now it could be that the claim of DNA matches are just MSM inventions and it could be that facial recognition technologies may have been used but this raises an awkward question of the type of injury causing death as the MSM is reporting a wound(s) to the head, if this was the case then a fatal wound to the head would have caused facial distortion therefore making such ID methods unreliable, any pathologist or murder squad detective will confirm this.
A full autopsy takes many hours simply because the corpse has to be allowed to settle, it has to be cleaned and dissected and samples taken and logged with pictures taken and derivative notes collated. From the kill shot to the journey back to Bagram to the autopsy to the DNA sampling to the breaking of the news, it all must have happened within a few hours but from the very report it was made clear that a DNA analysis was undertaken and results confirmed.
We know the MSM gets excited and in the vacuum of real information tends to make it up but I am seeing a lot of so called news being touted as fact. Where are the pictures of the kind that were released after the death of Saddams boys?

Well, it easy to take blood and hair samples for DNA for later, but does one trust that idea?
I do think that burial as sea is rather fishy (pun intended). No question the argument is that returning Bin Laden to family etc does make for a possible shrine and terrorist magnet, but then again the return of body could have been used as a negotiating chip and dragged out for years to our advantage.
Really, burial at sea throws out any objective ability to verify this story. If Bin Laden where to surface up in a month, the Administration would simply state this was a ruse to flush him out.
I am most thrilled to assume this is Bin laden, but my skeptic meter is quite high on them tossing overboard the one major piece of evidence that would close this case once and for all.
A traditional and respectful burial at sea for this guy? Golly, not good, not good at all and this is one sour note in what should be a really great story. I am happy, but accident having the body fall off the ship on the way home, not good…
Super Turtle

This looks to be a diff location?

AdderW
What’s the point? If I said everything that pops into my head, I would be one boring blogger… and I don’t have a blog.
Statistically, it was bound to happen to someone and it happened to me.

Smokey says:
May 2, 2011 at 9:41 am
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mine too, doesn’t add up
Saddam’s sons bodies were even flown out two days later…..
…why the big hurry to dump the body at sea
This does not pass the sniff test……….

The second update still gives the wrong location. NY times published the right one, with compound diagram from DOD.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/05/02/world/asia/abbottabad-map-of-where-osama-bin-laden-was-killed.html
REPLY: Refresh, we have the update also – Anthony

Burying a human body “within 24 hours” or “by sunset” or “before sunrise” is superstitious BS. It must have developed from rapid decay in hot climates. They seem paranoid about it.
This “rule” would prevent any local cadavers from being available to medical schools in many countries, impeding medical education. Foolishness.
The Earth is still flat in many of these countries. Sad.
The White House is pandering on this issue.
My $.02

“”””” Smokey says:
May 2, 2011 at 9:50 am
Wucash:
For such a major announcement, preserving the body for forensic analysis should have been a top priority. Unless, of course, they had a reason to get rid of the evidence.
Give me a convincing reason for dumping the body overboard. “””””
Not possible; even remotely so, to bury him anywhere on land Smokey; that would become a holier place than Mecca. I have long thought that dumping him at sea was the only thing to do.
I’m sure some would have separated his body into multiple pieces; or burned it; maybe dragged it around Baghdad; like they did to our soldiers. But I’m not much into ghoulish behavior; and just dumping the corpse, in some unheralded spot in a deep ocean, suits me. I don’t care forensically if they have a body or not; it is enough for me that he is dead; whether that was years ago under GWB’s reign, or whether Obama achieved it; it matters not to me, one way or the other.
I’m, certainly not up to feeding these vermin for years, and then letting them go on some legal technicality.

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Rhys Jaggar says:
May 2, 2011 at 5:32 am

Grant Hillemeyer says:
May 1, 2011 at 9:25 pm
‘Outstanding. The fact that we was living in a mansion near Pakistan’s capital is disturbing, but not surprising. I remember back after September 11th thinking they would get him some day. I’m glad they didn’t give up. I think everyone one in America wished they were with that group that killed him. Imagine that.’

“This statement [by Grant Hillemeyer blockquoted above] says a lot about the American character.”
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Rhys Jaggar,
I am a citizen of the USA. I think a simple message is that if someone attacks us then their way of life is automatically forfeit. We would be barbaric if we in any way were unresponsive to attacks on the USA.
John

Anthony,
My point was simply that disagreement on these points can be legitimately considered a state of denial. I, like you, dislike the broad use of the term “denialist” in the climate science context.
REPLY: Fair enough. Then don’t use it, even with emoticons. – Anthony

@Keith. in Perth
It is neither justice, nor revenge. We were at war with this man’s organization. We simply conducted an operation in said war.
Or so our leaders say. We’ll never know because BHO chose to honor him with a proper burial, rather than letting him sit in a morgue for a few weeks for a proper forensic analysis. Something is a little fishy, there.

How about a burial under the Chernobyl Monolith in a see through chamber for up close viewing ?
Underground tunnels or “caves” for “360 degree” access.
(That could also be the temperature there.)
Free transportation worldwide for any sympathizers that want to pay their respects.
Free lodging for a week or two or as long as they like.
Free local food, lots of wild boar and truffles available.
Free chunks of the fracturing Chernobyl cement to take home as souvenirs.
Special night showings to prove that his “glowingness” is next to “hole-i-ness”.
This will quickly have supporters be truly “closer” to their expired leader and if they stay long enough they can take up residence in a plot of land nearby in short order.
After all, the “next world” and “virgins” have always been the goals all along, haven’t they ?
This works for me, even better than the sea.