California's giant sucking sound

“We keep thinking that we want it to be there and provide power when we need it. It’s going to be much smarter than that.”

Oh! Like a really clever hide-and-seek player.

Can anyone recommend a cheap reliable home generator for use in UK?
Shares in candle makers are sure to rise.
We will be known as the ‘dark age’ to our descendants for altogether different reasons from the original, both in a literal and metaphoric sense.

California has the most ambitious plan? Then Ontario (province in Canada) has the second most ambitious. It wants to phase out coal plants (7 GW) and produce 20-25% of its energy from renewable sources. I don’t know how much sun there is in California, but much of Ontario – where renewable energy msut be built, because the southern part is too densely populated – is north of the 47th parallel, meaning less than 8 hours of sushine during winter. And never mind wind (unreliable) and hydro (indecently expensive to build).

King Canute could not be reached for comment.

“Because of a six-fold increase in wind generation, which won’t be available when the wind doesn’t blow, “The grid is going to be a very different system in 2020, 2030,” he told BBC’s Radio 4. “We keep thinking that we want it to be there and provide power when we need it. It’s going to be much smarter than that.”
What is the percentage divergence between a ‘smart stupid’ and a ‘dumb stupid’ ?
http://disasterplanningcenter.com/disaster-prevention/how-to-prevent-a-power-loss-during-a-disaster-and-restore-power-quickly/

Why is it that many of the folks left of center remind me of my 4 year old. He wishes the world is a certain way, and then proceeds to act as if the wish is true. When reality infringes upon his wonderful world, he is very angry and blames the nearest adult.
This is exactly what the left does. They blame everyone except themselves for the unbelievably stupid acts they commit and never learn from their mistakes.
On the bright side, my son will grow up. As clearly demonstrated by Gov. Moonbeam and his ilk, lefties never will…

If this legistation stands up in the courts, I predict some really big coal fired plants being built on the Nevada side of the border. Moonbeam can claim victory because the plants aren’t IN California as the jobs march ever eastward.

What a different world we would live in if Ross Perot had won. If we would of actually protected American jobs and decided that deficits do matter. Come to Michigan and drive around any industrial park and see the one out of three empty buildings. In some cases 50% empty. The surviving manufacturing businesses are on life support. Notice on the video the smug looks that Bill Clinton and George Bush give to Ross Perot. What a disaster both political parties have become. I have very little hope that my daughter who is graduating valedictorian this year will live in a better world than we did.

Anthony:
Electricity consumers in the UK will need to get used to flicking the switch and finding the power unavailable, according to Steve Holliday, CEO of National Grid, the country’s grid operator.
A case of making stuff up, I think. Notice that it is not a quote and I listened to what he did say on the BBC and the entire speech he gave that is referred to. What he had to say was interesting and quite startling in places but I think you can forget the “flicking the switch” stuff as he did not say that at all in either case. As far as journalism goes that piece is nothing to be proud of or be reliably informed by.
Alex

Senate Environment Committee Hearing on Natural Gas Drilling
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Senate-Environment-Committee-Hearing-on-Natural-Gas-Drilling/10737420841-1/
Live Now! . . . . for those interested . . . .

The sign that used to be posted outside Seattle requesting that the last one leaving please turn out the lights will need a bit of editing for California – there won’t be any lights to turn out.

I feel sorry for the sane people left in Cali………… both of them.

33%? That’s no challenge!
In 2020, the only power they’ll need will be one solar panel.
It will power the answering machine.
The answering machine will say; “you’ve reached the State of California. There’s no one here to take your call. If this is an emegergency . . .”

I would be a little more cautious to criticize Jerry Brown for what’s going on in California. The state is basically ungovernable, with entrenched incumbents in the State House and a supermajority rule for budget ratifications.
More than anything I would believe JB sees renewable energy as job creation. We need to get it done anyway, so why not now? Let’s hope nuclear is on the table before we become The Land Of The Giant Desk Fans.
Actually, Jerry Brown looks like the only adult in the room these days.
Are you guys really saying you miss Arnold?

Today is Tax day; well it is for those few of us who actually ARE taxpayers (USA/Cal) style.
I was late to work today, as I had to stop by my Credit Union to get checks to send out to my favorite Uncle, and my favourite Moonbat. Well I don’t actually owe any taxes, as of today; in fact I already overpaid my taxes, for the 2010 Tax year.
No I am not getting a refund either. Uncle Sam is going to swallow my refund, as an estimated down payment on taxes I might owe later on, as a result of my still being a working stiff taxpayer, ten years after I should have retired on my lowly accumulated pension funds.
Well that (non) refund was not enough to satisfy my Uncle’s rapacious appetite for more slush fund money to pay out grants for people to look in mud for pollens, and bore holes in trees; but only on one side.
So this morning I cleaned out every one of the accounts at my Credit Union to make up the difference between my greedy Uncle’s demands, and the not inconsiderable overpayment from last year.
The only problem is that there wasn’t enough money in all of those accounts to satisfy the shortfall, so I had to borrow a considerable sum from the Credit Union. Well don’t worry, I only need it for about three days.
That’s how long it takes to clear the market transaction which last week sold a portion of my retirement account assets, in order to pay the taxes, on having sold those retirement account assets.
No I didn’t need those funds from my retirement account; as I said I have a full time salaried job.
But you see, my greedy Uncle demands that I must sell part of my retirement nest egg every year; whether I need the money or not. Well not only don’t I need the money from those retirement funds, but I don’t even get any money from those funds; because every last cent of the withdrawal, goes to my spendthrift Uncle in taxes; I get not a brass razoo out of the deal.
So if you are looking for me this afternoon, you need look no further than the local SJ TEA Party Tax rally, to tell our boy wonder Teleprompter Reader par excellence, that I really am T-axed E-nough A-lready.
Well I have gotten used to the routine; in June, I will have anouther Credit Union Cleanout, and another “retirement” fund selloff, to pay more taxes.
So no I am not amused by the antics of otherwise unemployed, and likely unemployable pseudo “scientists” who think that the taxpayers owe them a living pursuing non-productive enterprises.
A report this morning says that the total outstanding Student Loan debt, now exceeds ALL outstanding Credit Card debt; and that the vast majority of that Student loan debt is for “courses” that are quite unlikely to lead to ANY career that can earn enough money to EVER pay off that student loan debt.
Time to get real kiddies. Political “Science” and “Ethnic Studies” aka School of racism, may be fun for green yuppies; but how are you going to eat, without public (taxpayer) assistance ?

MarkW says:
April 12, 2011 at 10:12 am
DaveR: What makes you think that had Perot won, he could have gotten the Republicans and Democrats in charge of congress to pass anything he proposed?
As to the vacant buildings in Michigan, you can thank the unions for that. Open borders policies had nothing to do with it.

The presidential position is so overrated it is ridiculous. All of America has been deceived into believing the only election that matters is the one for president. The reality is our lack of attention on our locally elected representatives has created “representative” bodies full of certifiable kooks bent on lifelong politicking and zero actual work to help the people. Most of these kooks are simply figureheads for their staffs of promoters and image consultants who do very little for our nation except suck up a salary and ensure they win again next term so they keep their job.
The most insidious part of it all is how the entire system of competing political interests convinces all of America that there are only two parties to vote for, and only the presidential race is worth caring about, even though the president is only supposed to be an executive and third parties are necessary to force politicians to at the very least abandon their tried-and-true well-choreographed political theater.
I simply don’t respect anyone who votes for one of the major parties, I can’t. These people are as deceived as any religious nut if they think they’re helping.

California is not the only place having a giant sucking sound:
The entire US has been vacuumed year-in/year-out.
The lobbyists make sure that they have the ‘correct’ candidates to continue the process.
Revolving door.

How many do understand why all sorts of politicians love the idea of being able to tax carbon dioxide?
Although in EU every politician is biased towards socialism, but it hold true though, that various, nefarious, carbon tax’s has been a “blessing” to further our, shall we say, lucrative social life style as we grow older, as in becoming retired from the work force at 45, 50, 55, 60 to 65, all depending on which country you live in and what type of work or service you’ve been in.
For t’irty years income taxes has gotten lower. At the same time we’ve got unlimited sick days, five weeks paid vacation up to 30 then 6-7, after 40 7-8, and if you put in for military or police, or higher public, service you can retire at 55 with full pension benefits, but if not you can opt for early retirement at 55 for partial pension benefits (which is a hoot since partial is all things relative to your pay), most seem to go at 60 though (apparently they’re not boat and ship owners though.)
Essentially, the old social(ist) based systems cost shit loads of cash to keep running and nobody really want to up the income taxes or direct cost for entrepreneurs and company owner which is, apparently, why carbon taxes is a “blessing”, what with it being an indirect cost for everyone, but still a direct income to the state(s) since we will never run out of carbon.
To fill the state’s coffers with treasures from trade from goods and services has, apparently, very essentially, become a rather insane kind of logic compared to trading and taxing a necessary component to life.
When in “Greece” be a Roman. :p

It doesn’t take a climate scientist to figure out why companies are leaving California. It really boils down to two things. The first is that we tax the living crud out of businesses here. Most of my fellow brainless Californians have the attitude of yeah sure stick it to the rich. Well the rich eventually leave. The more we tax business the more they start thinking it may cost less to relocate. Once you pass that threshold its see you later probably never to return. It also makes other business less likely to consider coming to this state. If they do a cost review we don’t look so great. The other thing is regulations. Back in the 70’s I remember how bad the air was. It seemed like you could walk on it some days. I am not a granola crunching tree hugger freak but I can’t argue that at that point something desperately needed to be done. Something did get done. Many groups were formed and many years were spent pressuring the government to pass regulation to clean the air pollution. If it had stopped once the mission was accomplished things would be fine now. The problem is you had thousands of people that had most of their adult lives wrapped around this cause as a job. So what do they do now? Quit and find another career? I wish they had. No they went on and searched until they found another cause to go after. Then another and another and so on until this very day. The result of this is you have and insanely draconian regulation structure in this state. Companies have an incredibly difficult time figuring out what the stinking rules are let alone complying with them. I once heard an interview on the radio of a gentleman who tried to start a concrete plant in California. After years of red tape, millions of dollars spent and still not able to open his plant he finally gave up and went to Nevada. There they had him up and running in less than 6 months. He said that instead of hindering him the government went out of its way to help him. This is a prime example of lost opportunity. Instead of a revenue stream coming into this state it has been forced to leave and go elsewhere. We now get to pay someone in Nevada for our building material. This will get worse until every drop of income has been snuffed out and California crashes. You can already see it happening. The leaders in this state cry and say it’s a revenue problem. Their solution for this is to increase taxes to of course increase revenue. Some people are starting to think it’s a spending problem. Our fearless leaders never pass an opportunity to start a new entitlement program. I personally say it’s both. That being said I don’t think increasing the taxes is the solution to the revenue problem. Taxes are not the root cause of the revenue problem. We are already the highest taxed state in the nation. How do you say we are not doing our part when we pay more than anyone else in this country. That fact right there proves that taxes are not the cause. The real problem is how we have driven a massive portion of our income streams out of the state. I was born and raised in this state and there will always be a love of the many good things about my home but if I could somehow convince my wife to pull the plug and move I would be out of here in a heartbeat.

@Dan in California
Dan,
I do hope CA disposed of the toxics byproducts of building you PV semiconductors in CA and didn’t export to another state.

“It’s going to be much smarterdumber than that.”
Now it’s fixed.

Credit bubbles allow for the malinvestment of excessive government.
When the credit bubble blows up – so will Government programs.

Well if you think you have problems in California just think of the poor Scots.
Alex Salmond’s targets for energy from renewables is not 33% but 80% (it seems that the previous target of 50% that had managed to increase fuel poverty from 1 in 4 households in 2007 to 1 in 3 households in 2009 simply wasn’t ambitious enough for him).
It’s had a rather dire effect on the Scottish economy – just view the graph –
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/TrendLongerGDP
However the BBC is telling us that the economy is picking up thanks to economic growth in the construction sector.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-12224914
Unfortunately the Construction sector doesn’t seem to be agreeing with them –
SBF the lead voice of the Scottish construction industry –
“The Scottish construction industry has suffered badly from the economic downturn and prospects for 2011 remain poor”.
“Commenting on the GDP figures for Scotland for the third quarter of 2010, published today by Scotland’s Chief Statistician, SBF Chief Executive Michael Levack has warned that the growth in output witnessed for the construction sector during that period is likely to represent a ‘high tide mark for the industry for some time to come’… Statistics show that the construction sector grew by 6.2% between July and September last year…Mr Levack said: “The latest GDP figures for Scotland suggest there was a big push to complete work during the third quarter of 2010 to make up for lost time during the severe weather conditions witnessed last winter”
He has also highlighted new figures on corporate insolvencies in Scotland which show a dramatic increase in the number of building firms going out of business…figures published today by the Accountant in Bankruptcy show corporate insolvencies up 24% in the third quarter of 2010 compared to the same quarter of the preceding year. According to recent figures from the UK insolvency service, this trend includes a doubling in the number of construction firms forced into compulsory liquidation between July and September 2010 compared to the third quarter of 2009.”
http://www.scottish-building.co.uk/pages/profiles.asp?pi=2097&ref=more

The insanity in the state of California is reflected in my own state (which I’m thinking of abandoning for saner ground) of Washington. Earlier this year, the enlightened progressive elements passed legislation signed into law by the ever so intelligent Governor Gregoire mandating that 15% of electrical generation come from alternative sources. Evil hydroelectric was not deemed “clean” or “green”.
Economically, the rural providers, like the one that services my county, have fewer customers per mile, meaning that this 15% will be far more expensive to install and operate, and will never add a profit to the balance sheet. Windmills become millstones or albatrosses rather than ensuring that power can be provided in the first place. I wonder if this is social engineering, vice an attempt to address a (non) problem?

The California Energy Commission has barely begun to make us hurt. They decide the energy mix and what new plants to build. It is illegal to build natural gas plants in California (SB 1037, 2005).
We have part of smart grid installed in most homes now. One of the next steps will be time of use metering. You will need to pay more for using energy when you want it. Plan on waking up between 10 pm and midnight to start your day or your energy bill will jump sharply.
Title 24 (building energy code) and Title 20 (appliance code) will almost certainly get green energy changes [1], which will require us to purchase new network-ready appliances. A pilot study is planned for Hawaii [2]. Manufacturers are salivating over this regulatory market.
Rapid growth is projected in the smart appliance market [3]:
“From 2011 to 2015, the global household smart appliance market is projected to grow from $3.06 billion to $15.12 billion, respectively. The compound annual growth rate (CAGR) from 2011 to 2015 is projected to be 49.0 percent.”
California SB34 is a new bill that will almost certainly pass that creates a new public goods charge for non-agricultural water [4]. The cost is $110 per acre foot each year. That means you can expect an increase in your water bill of between $5 and $10 per month. Farmers and people who eat food are not off the hook. The bill provides for a $20 per irrigated acre charge each year. And there is another $10 per acre charge for planning.
The more mobile among us are leaving. California’s population growth have been negative recently. The state Dept. of Finance estimated population for 2010 as 38.8 million, but the Census count was 37.3 million.
Nothing is going to change in California until people start getting angry at the right people. Unfortunately, the propaganda machine seems to keep them believing “the Rich” aren’t paying their fair share, whatever that is. Meanwhile, jobs are evaporating because businesses are leaving, shrinking, or shutting down. Prices are rising, especially gasoline. Utility bills are going up. The middle class is imploding.
Eventually, people may come to see Gov. Brown as California’s Obama. That will probably require another two or three years. Implementation of AB32 (CO2 restrictions) has just begun. Those costs will be multiplied through every stage of production and distribution, causing inflation, even more unemployment, and much greater dependence on government programs that simply can’t be sustained.
California’s $28 billion budget shortfall is only going to grow every year unless state government shrinks significantly, and that requires cutting government employment. Also, businesses won’t recover without tax and regulatory relief. The state depends on taxing “wealthy” individuals (including S-corps, i.e. small businesses) for a big part of its revenue [5].
And those wonderful folks in Sacramento are paying teachers to program our kids to believe in this nonsense, consuming over half of the general fund [6].
References
1) http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/NR/rdonlyres/6C2310FE-AFE0-48E4-AF03-530A99D28FCE/0/ZNEActionPlanFINAL83110.pdf
2) http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/Technologies_Home_Area_Networks_News/GE-Smart-Grid-Pilot-Show-Time-in-Maui-2110.html
3) http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/End_Use_Appliances_Resources/Smart-Grid-Insights-Smart-Appliances-1979.html
4) http://www.legisweb.com/app/pkgs/calm/Retrieve.asp?ref=urn:calm:2011:sb0034:doc:html
5) http://articles.ocregister.com/2011-04-08/news/29401733_1_income-tax-personal-income-tax-data
6) http://www.dof.ca.gov/budgeting/budget_faqs/#7

America has lots of coal in the ground. Get it out and use it.

Just because government mandates something doesn’t mean it’ll happen. I seem to remember that California had a mandate years ago for a certain percentage of electric cars by a certain date. It didn’t happen and the mandate died.
33% of electricity from renewable sources in 8 1/2 years isn’t possible.
And people won’t put up with significant interruptions in their electricity. Look what happened a decade ago when we had rolling blackouts. People screamed bloody murder and suddenly new power plants were built.
But maybe it’ll take something like more blackouts for people to wake up in this state and kick those idiots in Sacramento out of office.

I just spent several days in Texas, and returned to California with weary relief.
Everything may be bigger in Texas, but everything’s better in California.

Forecast? You want a forecast? I’ll give you a forecast. It’s gonna be cold.
It’s gonna be grey. And it’s gonna last you for the rest of your life.
JF

Quis . . . Custodes,
Thanks very much for the information. Talk is talk, facts is facts. And, the facts are: California is gettin’ it done.

I think this site does a tremendous job with climate change, and should stick to that.
Whenever a post forays into politics like this one it loses credibility due to the many Tea Party mouth breathers it attracts.
I follow this site because it appeals to reason and pragmatism. The emanations from those quarters are neither.
We know we need to achieve energy independence. Green energy has a role to play there, but as far as I can tell it is minor, and probably better suited for residential and local applications. Fuel cells may be something one day.
Nuclear is the obvious choice, Fukushima nothwithstanding, for grid-scale applications. Let’s sure the engineers working on it are not from the Tea Party.
And please don’t tell me that the evil guvmint is planning for future energy needs out of a desire to “enslave” the population. It’s hogwash.
If you don’t like Sacramento, try Jeddah.

Last time we had governor “Moonbeam” we got 16 years of Republicans. Looks the Democrats want to go for that a second time! This time the “Greens” will lose all standing as we have rolling blackouts.
I will need to finish up a wood fired electricity generator on our small farm. pg

Berényi Péter:
I say he did not say something, you say he did, but you point to somewhere were he said something quite different. I listened to the speech all 1+ hours of it, I listen to the BBC broadcast, nowhere did he say the unquoted stuff in the piece I am complaining about.
That is why it is unquoted: it is stuff that he did not say, it is stuff that they made up. It is simply a very sorry excuse for journalism, and people know no better than to read it as if it were true.
There is a huge difference between a journalist stating a personally held opinion or interpretation under their own name but as soon as you use:
“… according to Steve Holliday”
it has to relate to something that accords with what Steve Holliday said or what his stated views are, and he never said the anything allowing such hyperbolic dramatisation.
Alex

The problem I see here, in the UK this is less of a problem as there all nutters left or right, is that it has been shown that all left leaning politico’s as children never where told no and got everything they wanted, so now when a adult of the left says that 33% must be produce through fairy dust well you either get to th bottom of the garden and beat some fariy dust out of a small woodland creature or expect a temper tantrum.
I surpose if your going to look at the bottom of a garden though a Hollywood garden would be the best place to start.

Torgeir Hansson :”Whenever a post forays into politics like this one it loses credibility due to the many Tea Party mouth breathers it attracts.
I follow this site because it appeals to reason and pragmatism. The emanations from those quarters are neither.”
A wholly unsupported set of allegations. You offer is nothing at all to support this–nothing but slander and insult. It is mere left wing cant. You are in fact guilty of what you accuse the “Tea Partiers”–you are projecting. Moreover, you have no evidence at all that anyone here is even a member of the “Tea Party”. One hardly has to be in the “Tea Party” to deplore and detest the agenda of the Left: one merely need be a sane adult. One suspects that you have know real knoldge at all about the “Tea Party People” whatsoever; you merely beleive what the Left’s propagandists tells you. How foolish of you.
You are a typical leftist. You cannot rationally argue your positions when faced with rational discussion but instead engage in ad homiem attacks against those would would disagree with you, thus the puerile resort to the usual dodge of calling the eminently rational and pragmatic opposition “right wing nut jobs”. Clearly, to cling to such obvious logical fallacies and moral errors such as these speaks of your mental and moral weakness and not those of others. Little about you position is either rational or pragmatic.
What is truly preposterous, however, is that you imagine that the issues surrounding “energy” can be understood without recourse to an understanding of the political environment. One gather that this is because you do not want to own up to the immense damage caused by the policies of the Left.
It is, perforce, the implementation of the policies of a great many “left wing not jobs” that has put us in this predicament. Rather than slander those who point this out to you, you would be better served to listen to them and then engage in some soul searching. You might then encounter the truth.

For those interested . . . . From C-Span “congress” Capital hearings
http://www.capitolhearings.org/
Select ” Committee on Energy and Commerce”
Then Select “Featured Story
Watch Live: Energy and Power Subcommittee Hearing (10 am ET) Watch Live: Oversight and Investigations Hearing (10:30 am ET)”

John Tofflemire:
What I meant to say was that “we seem to be together in dismissing it as such,” not that “we seem to be together in this.”

“”””” hattip says:
April 13, 2011 at 8:09 am
Torgeir Hansson :”Whenever a post forays into politics like this one it loses credibility due to the many Tea Party mouth breathers it attracts.
I follow this site because it appeals to reason and pragmatism. The emanations from those quarters are neither.”
A wholly unsupported set of allegations. You offer nothing at all to support this–nothing but slander and insult. It is mere left wing cant. You are in fact guilty of what you accuse the “Tea Partiers” of – you are projecting. Moreover, you have no evidence at all that anyone here is even a member of the “Tea Party”. One hardly has to be in the “Tea Party” to deplore and detest the agenda of the Left: one merely need be a sane adult. One suspects that you have no real knowledge at all about the “Tea Party People” whatsoever; you merely believe what the Left’s propagandists tell you. How foolish of you.
Some really odd folks, those TEA partiers; some of them may be a little bit senile. For example, yesterday morning, I stopped by my Credit Union to borrow some money and get some checks to pay my US Federal Estimated Taxes for q1-2011, as well as for the rapacious State of California. So then I took off at about 3:30 PM to drive down to downtown San Jose’s Cesar Chavez Park (well known leftist rabble rouser) to attend a TEA Party rally to commemorate Tax day. Now I’m not a US citizen, so I don’t actually belong to ANY party; but I have and do attend rallies aimed at bringing Politician’s attention to concerns that voters and citizens (and also legal permanent resident aliens) often have. Such as the great Anti-MTBE EPA sponsored Environmental Pollution mandate protest.
And yes I do attend the local TEA party Tax Day rally.
Actually nobody but me showed up for yesterday’s rally, and when I checked my watch, it seemed that the date was only April 12 yesterday, and Tax day is April 15. Well this year you have till the 18th to pay your taxes, since the 15th is a Saturday. And I don’t know whether the rally is going to actually be held on Saturday or not, or whether it will be on the 18th. But it sure as hell wasn’t on the 12th. Damn I didn’t need to borrow that money after all, since Friday is payday.
And I came to the rally, without my gun, and my Bible; well I don’t have the former, and I probably know about half of the latter from memory; well that’s at least a 60 year old memory so I may have forgotten some. But I do know some of the US Constitution, and that is all you need to know to figure out when the gummint is screwing you.
But when I finally do go; when they have the real party, I expect to see the usual polyglot of people show up. You can find hell’s angels, and old grandmothers, and college kids; even a crowd of Latino illegales; there’ll be Africans (same as it says on Obama’s birth certificate) as well as Blacks, and Negroes, and Orientals,as well as other Asians, such as Bangladeshis, and their various cousins; Europeans both Western and formerly Eastern, and Russians, even some tired old white men like me. There’ll be mothers with their kids, and schoolteachers, and firemen; Doctors, and stock brokers, and truck drivers and plumbers. The San Jose Police will have a big contingent, who will stand in an orderly line up against a local building wall, and try to avoid falling asleep. Their official task will be to keep the peace, and make sure that the Code Pinkers, and other rent-a-mob regulars, don’t try to take over the rally from those who will have a three hour Permit to conduct their absolute right to peaceably assemble to petition their Government for redress of grievances (excessive taxation). The fully fake documented illegales, will have their signs clamoring for “immigrant’s rights”. Now I’m an Immigrant, and I’ve never been denied the same rights as every other person, whether citzen or immigrant. These “protesters/petitioners” will all have one common thread; nary a one of them has ever been anywhere near any immigration office or officer. That would seem to be a prerequisite for obtaining “immigrant’s rights” like I enjoy.
Well the SJ first reponders will do a good job of keeping the CPers, and the other “protesters” separated from the mottley bunch of TEA partiers; but the party will go on peacefully.
And other than what San Jose will feel they have to spend for extra Police attendance; all quite unnecessary, the city maintenance department, will reap a windfall, because all those crazy looney TEA partiers, will clean that Cesar Chavez park till it is cleaner than an Intel wafer fab clean room; and even the squirrels, and the crows, won’t find a scrap of jetsam anywhere in the park once the TPers get through with their rally.
Compare that to the Million Man March on Washington DC that turned the Nation’s Capital into a trampled landfill of junk and garbage, and broken windows, and other mayhem.
Yes Torgeir Hansson, those TEA Partiers are some nutty people; they actually believe that their Government should follow the laws of the land, and do just what they are Constitutionally instructed, and empowered to do.
But I will give you, that even TEA partiers, are supposed to know how to read the damn calendar, and not show up three to six days early.

The ignorance of politicians like old Moon Beam has absolutely no bounds. From what I have read and seen it is usually the one in the family with no skills that goes into politics. Averil (sp?) Harriman was a good example, his smart brother ran the railroads and he became a “noted statesman”. CA is getting the smoke from all the Chinese coal fired generators and the radioactive fall out from Japan and Moon Beam is worried about what pollution they will cause by burning coal in CA. The fallout from their industry would eventually head east at any rate along with the prevailing weather patterns.

I put this up on the Tips page a while ago but not sure if anyone read it. The California statute for renewables required purchasing a certain percentage of power by dollar value, not kW-h. Is this still the case w/ Gov. Brown? Is he actually proposing to purchase 33% of the power by the cost of production instead of the production? You all see the problem, right?