New peer reviewed study: global warming lowers death rates

I wonder when we’ll read this on theSkepticalscience blog?
He is still pretending that somehow warming is harmful to life. I’ve offered to help him find beach property in Siberia but he doesn’t seem interested. I can’t imagine why.

But since they already believe the planet is overpopulated, this will be spun as another reason to fight AGW.
Malthusians are nothing if not predictable.

Any word from Chris Huhne (the ecoloon) on the beneficial effects of Global Warming/Climate Change/Climate Disruption which he and the rest of the ecoloon coalition want to halt or, worse still, reverse?
Thought not.

HAHAHAHAHA, is it ok if we gloat for a minute and say “Told ya so!”? I know it isn’t very sporting to say “Told ya so!”, but maybe we can make an exception this once and say “Told ya so!” to all of the warmistas that thought we’d all die a painful death due to milder winters. OTOH, maybe we should be more gracious than to say “Told ya so!”. But, I think there may be some sorted satisfaction that comes with saying “Told ya so!” I just can’t make up my mind as to whether we should say “Told ya so!” or perhaps we shouldn’t say “Told ya so!” and just soak it in for a moment.

To be precise, this latest study looks only at England and Wales. It is not immediately clear over what geography the IPCC was referring to, but it was presumably the entire globe.
One would expect warming to be more benficial (and thus less dangerous) in colder climes like England/Wales vs tropical or equatorial desert climes.
So apples to oranges to some extent.
I would expect the global result to be a net positive as well, but until it’s analyzed I don’t think one cam say this study proves anything about global effects.

Anthony,
Here is another take on the same issue: http://meteorologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2010/08/climate-common-sense.html
Happy Thanksgiving!!
Mike

Global Warming……have to wait more than 50 years, if lucky.

This topic begs a question I have been mulling recently.
For all of the BILLIONS of dollars in Climate Ca$h that we’re spending annually, what societal benefit have we seen? Have the AGW science advocates provided anything that has benefited someone other than themselves? Has global warming research saved any lives, led to better crop production, forecast any change in hurricane activity that has actually come true, … ANYTHING?
In my opinion, it has been a colossal WASTE OF MONEY, and in fact, has done nothing but enrich the ruling class elites (e.g. Al Gore and Jim Hansen). Career government scientists have boarded the Climate Research gravy train seeking nothing more than to fund themselves for an extended period of time and to delude themselves into thinking they were benefiting society. If they are helping society in some way, I’d like to know how…

Aha!

New peer reviewed study: global warming lowers death rates
So that is Dr. Holdren’s problem with Global Warming! Too many people live longer!
This just won’t do…!

The problem is there might not be room for any more scientists on the Black- List.

I am absolutely astonished that some folks on this website, (including you, Mr Watts) claiming to have a science background, which would imply at least a modicum of basic understanding on basic principles of comparative analysis, would choose to compare the results of a study based on a population of approx 60m people at latitudes 50-55 degrees (i.e. England and Wales) to an IPCC report which addresses the impacts of global warming across the planet. This is cherry picking at its most blatant and absurd, and serves only to show the lengths that the denialist camp will go to in attempts to create confusion around such a serious issue.

REPLY: Be as astonished as you wish. Question: Do you heat your house up there in British Columbia? And if so why?
Second question: do you think it is OK to divine the temperature of the MWP from just a handful of tree ring samples? Such as those in Yamal? – Anthony

Food plants love global warming … Why do you think there are real greenhouses?
Ice not so much goodness for food growing.

Don’t know about the death rates, but I do know that the bikini ratio improves with warmer weather. 😉

It’s better than we thought ….

i’ts amazing they can come up with anything coherent when they blame everything on global warming

This is cherry picking at its most blatant and absurd

Cherry picked, indeed, because it serves to reason only places that actually get cold will suffer cold-related deaths. Furthermore, places that are not impacted by global warming seem unlikely as good sources of data when attempting to compare changes in death rates due to… global warming. Gee, how hard is this to understand?

and serves only to show the lengths that the denialist camp will go to in attempts to create confusion around such a serious issue.

And your comment serves only to show how little you understand or are willing to attempt to understand. Shame, really, that people can think as you and still get up in the morning.
Mark

Warming good for folk. CO2 good for flora. Polar bear populations increasing. Loads of gas in shale. New mega-oil fields off Africa and South America. We do indeed live in wonderful times.
My thanks to Greenpeace, IPCC and WWF for bringing this to our attention – it may have slipped by unnoticed otherwise.

Easy

Observation #1:

This is why you see old people moving to Florida, Texas & Arizona, not North Dakota, Montana & Alaska. Warmer = better.
People intuitively know warmer is better – we didn’t need a study to prove it.,

And Observation #2:

Don’t know about the death rates, but I do know that the bikini ratio improves with warmer weather. 😉

This obviously calls for a scientific study to see if there is a causal relationship between #2 and #1.

Ah – so this could explain why I feel good when I’m on holiday in FLORIDA – and not-so-good when I’m battling a freezing winter wind in England…
Could never explain that before….

Area Man says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm

One would expect warming to be more benficial (and thus less dangerous) in colder climes like England/Wales vs tropical or equatorial desert climes.
I would expect the global result to be a net positive as well, but until it’s analyzed I don’t think one cam say this study proves anything about global effects.

I completely agree–a few years back I was down in Death Valley and we stopped at the Ubehebe Crater–an excellent meteorite impact feature, and the temperature on one side was about 112 in the shade! But on the other side where the trail goes, the temperature was 114 degrees (since it was more exposed to the sun), and there were dead people EVERYWHERE! I figure that additional 2 degrees is wot done it!
/sarcoff

http://www.bmj.com/content/316/7130/514.full
Above: Paper on “cold related deaths” in Russia.
Below: Paper on “Heat Deaths” in AZ, 1992-2009
http://www.azdhs.gov/plan/report/heat/heat09.pdf
A very superficial look at both indicates that presuming winter temperatures go up along with summer temps, the net result will be neutral or positive. I haven’t parsed things exactly, but it appears that if you the more days you raise ABOVE O C, the more days you get NO cold deaths.
Heat deaths become much more related to education, knowledge, etc. The so called “heat wave” of 2003 in Europe was primarily LAUGHABLE to my friends and relatives in PHX. If we take PHX numbers of 40 deaths per year, and a 4 million population, for the 400,000,000 of Europe we’d expect 4,000 deaths (extra) from a prolonged, PHX style “temperature increase”, not 30,000…making us highly suspicious of certain “technological and educational” disadvantages. Along with acculturation and accommodation problems. (I was in London in the summer of 1989, and the dock workers on the Thames were complaining terribly of the problem of working in 84 F “heat”. Which in my area would be considered a MODERATE summer day!)

Mark T and Jimmy H (Oh, and you too Anthony):
Let me see,
“the IPCC AR4 states with very high confidence that climate change contributes to the global burden of disease and to increased mortality,”
The review on this website of the UK paper takes the results of the analysis, which was based on the assessment of temperature effects alone, on 1% the world’s human population, living in a concentrated cluster on less than 1% of the global landmass,
and makes the gargantuan, logic-defying leap to the conclusion:
“Clearly, the IPCC’s “very-high-confidence” conclusion is woefully wrong. Warming is highly beneficial to human health, even without any overt adaptation to it. And when adaptations are made, warming is incredibly beneficial in terms of lengthening human life span.”
Climate change impacts, as per Tim W’s blog, are about so much more than than just temperature, and that is why I find the comparison to be such a stretch of the imagination….

If you read the article (Tim Williams posted the link above) you will find statements such as:
“it would be easy to compare the recent decrease in cold-related mortality with the increase in temperature and make the seemingly logical assumption that fewer people have died because of milder winters. Our work, however, shows that this is not the case. We find that adaptation of the population to colder temperatures can explain much of the observed change.”
They do acknowledge that had adaptation to cold weather “remained unchanged, then the anthropogenic warming would have produced a detectable decrease in winter mortality.” However, the same ‘detectable’ conclusion with regards to a mortality increase due to warming is also made.
In the end, Anthony, your assertion that this article proves that “warmer weather saves lives,” although technically correct, is only a half-truth and is a manipulation of the article’s intended conclusion. On the other hand, CO2 Sciences’ ‘What it Means’ section is an incorrect exaggeration, as according to the article, “in the real world the effect of adaptation appears to be more important than the impact of the anthropogenic warming.”
Now I’m not trying to tell you that your assertions regarding the overall topic are wrong, merely that this article should not be used to support them.

solarbud says:
November 23, 2010 at 3:00 pm
This study looked only at the UK. The IPCC looks at the whole world. You people obviously don’t care about the folk who died in the Russian heatwave
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google “Russian drought” “Russian famine”
and get back to us……………………
Then explain why droughts, famines, and heatwaves are considered common in
Russia, and why it has happened so many times, a lot worse, in the past.

Frank K. says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:58 pm
“If they are helping society in some way, I’d like to know how…”
I don’t know either, but it seems like they think they are helping the Earth, getting rid of us humans.

Well, this should be very bad news for the AGW skeptics as they are forecasting a rapid decent into the next glacial period.
As it is, this study is nonsense and has no relationship to the global impacts of warming. If AGW only affected the British Isles and was limited to a narrow timeframe, this study might have a tiny bit of merit, but the extrapolation to global effects of warming over a century or more is impossible, and thus this “study” is one more piece for the garbage can of skeptical prattle.

I eagerly await the dead toll body count from the winter of 2011 in the northern hemisphere. I believe the 2010 body count of death by freezing in the southern hemisphere was in the hundreds or perhaps into the thousands.
You know this coming winter will be bad now that we are into the third year of the severe solar minimum.

Tim Williams points out that the beneficial effects reported here should be balanced with the harmful effects caused by floods, droughts, hurricanes, etc. However, according to Pielke Jr. the case for increased hurricanes due to warming is non-existent. I do not know about the dreaded events, but excuse me if I am skeptical and would like to see actual evidence that something more than noise around baseline is actually occurring. I think Anthony and others have gone through that thought process before concluding that this paper suggests overall benefits. What is absurd is that climate scientists continue to list a litany of catastrophy such as increased hurricanes, when the evidence is at best inconclusive.

What an appalling misrepresentation of a paper, and a cheerful extension of that misrepresentation to an utterly bogus conclusion.

Clearly, the IPCC’s “very-high-confidence” conclusion is woefully wrong. Warming is highly beneficial to human health, even without any overt adaptation to it.

This conclusion is crazy.
The mortality from anthropogenic climate change is not occurring in England and Wales, but in the Sahel and horn of Africa, and in South Asia. (see:Patz et al. (2005).
But even in the English and Welsh over 50s, this summary is the exact opposite of the findings of the paper:
For example, it would be easy to compare the recent decrease in cold-related mortality with the increase in temperature and make the seemingly logical assumption that fewer people have died because of milder winters. Our work, however, shows that this is not the case. Causes for the recent changes in cold- and heat-related mortality in England and Wales, (Nikolaos Christidis et al, (2009))
CO2 science;
Four stars for spin.
One and a half stars for reading comprehension.

R. Gates says:
November 23, 2010 at 3:57 pm
As it is, this study is nonsense
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Of course it is….
Gates, you’re so funny. Let the other side get some laughs too.
The warmistas have dominated the nonsense studies for too long.

Smokey says:
November 23, 2010 at 4:06 pm

Temperature is increasing because of U.S. postage.

And pirates, arrgh!
Mark

This whole warm = bad, cold = good is rather unproductive and simply a political diversion. I still say if you live in Canada warm = good and cold = normal. I would also suggest that if people have not and do not adapted to either situation; something humanity has been doing for thousands of years, perishing because of it, please do so before you have a chance to procreate and in the summer when the ground is not frozen.

Smokey, I like!
It’s a shame that scientists are just now getting around to ‘proving’ that warmer weather is better for people than colder weather because it very much looks like we’re going into the cooling phase of the cycle. Brrr.

mike sphar says:
November 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm
“CUT THEIR FUNDING PRONTO! If this gets out, why people will start flying to places like Hawaii,Greece, Italy, Spain, the Caribbean, maybe even the beaches at Cancun!”
Funny you should mention Cancun…Guess who’s partying down there right now?? Read this…
From Kenneth P. Green at the AEI:
“Cancan in Cancun”
…here’s how the Cancun cancan is likely to go:
1) The media will downplay expectations, and diplomats and environmentalists will bemoan how far behind the process is in producing an agreement.
2) There will be a week in which we’re told that diplomatic delegations are working “feverishly” on an agreement, but that the evil and greedy developed countries are still holding out on the massive wealth transfers that have always been the real goal of the process.
3) China and India will proclaim that the process is somehow intended to stifle their development, which they will not allow. (That’s partly true, the Kyoto agenda really is a de-development/anti-development agenda.)
4) Late in the process, it will be announced that negotiations are at a standstill and that the process may fail, dooming the Earth to a flaming death in a matter of decades.
5) At the last minute, the Charismatic Megafauna of the Show will swoop in and dramatically call everyone into a conference room for a marathon, no-breaks, closed-door negotiating session to resolve things. Usually, this is an American president or vice president.
6) At the last moment of the last day, at 4:00 a.m., the bleary-eyed participants will announce that they have reached a agreement on a broad range of goals (mostly aspirational), and that they have agreed to resolve outstanding issues at additional conferences to be held at top-notch resorts in exotic locales, so they can continue the endless rounds of globetrotting and fine dining at taxpayers’ expense (which most of them aspire to).
7) With little pomp and fanfare, they will all retreat to their luxurious fleet of GHG-belching private jets and exit, stage left.

Wombat says:
November 23, 2010 at 4:17 pm
The mortality from anthropogenic climate change is not occurring in England and Wales, but in the Sahel and horn of Africa, and in South Asia. (see:Patz et al. (2005).
CO2 science;
Four stars for spin.
One and a half stars for reading comprehension.
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I read that the warming would be the most in the higher latitudes…..
and little or none in the lower latitudes

Mark T says:
November 23, 2010 at 4:31 pm
The IPCC did not consider this positive effect of global warming (this is one of many that are easy to uncover simply through the use of common sense.)

Are you sure?
I thought that my understanding that food production would increase for up to a couple of degrees was from the IPCC. So I looked up the summary of WG II 2007.
Food, fibre and forest products
Crop productivity is projected to increase slightly at mid- to high latitudes for local mean temperature increases of up to 1-3°C depending on the crop, and then decrease beyond that in some regions. * D [5.4]
That’s the first point in the section.
’nuff said.

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch8s8-2-1-2.html
Cold waves and hot waves are both considered by the IPCC.

And judging my the number of cars sliding into ditches and into each other after the snowstorm in Seattle yesterday, I would project a similar reduction in the number of traffic accidents. Here is a video from Queen Anne Hill in Seattle last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILDOqppQL-U&feature=player_embedded

I am now throwing wood into fire like a fireman on a wood burning locomotive.
we in NE Oregon are expecting -10f and lower tonight, faucets running, gas heater isn’t keeping up hence the wood, local records in the Colmbia basin fell or were tied. I
notice a lot of these were set in the last cold PDO period. hmm.
I await Pamela Gray’s report from Wallowa, county,as they are higher and colder…

Tim Williams says:
November 23, 2010 at 1:05 pm
“A well studied example is the 2003 European heatwave which cost
the lives of more than 30,000 people””
30,000 people dying from temperatures from temperatures that in most places were barely over 100F, in what is theoretically the developed part of the planet, is an indication of something much more ominous than changing climate. It indicates that living in a socialist nanny state, of the exact type suggested as a solution to the looming “climate catastrophe”, can result in a population that is so enfeebled that it is completely incapable of taking even the most basic steps to ensure its own survival.
I’ve never been to Europe, but around here the local Walmart has had window air conditioners on sale every summer for well less than $100 since before that european heatwave. More than half the summers of my over six decades of life have had spells of weather that meet or exceed that heatwave and around here high heat is usually accompanied by maximum humidity. During a personal rough patch I worked in a manufacturing plant here, that produced molded FRP parts. The extruders and presses threw off enough heat to make the temp in the building 25-30 degrees higher than the ambient. The work was quite strenuous, involving moving 15-20 pound parts several times a minute. Nobody died.

Well now at least we know where not to look for the truth. Its certainly not in statistical data that totally discounts the rest of the population like this has.
More of the lies, damn lies and statistics. Oh and you can almost say anything you like using statistics. Reality is the truth and there is damn little on this site.

My Email sig, for the last 2 years +, has read as follows:
Help keep the planet Green! Maximize your CO2 and CH4 output!
Global Warming=More Life; Global Cooling=More Death.
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LOL

latitude says:
November 23, 2010 at 5:17 pm
I read that the warming would be the most in the higher latitudes…..
and little or none in the lower latitudes

Certainly CO2 absorption overlaps with water-vapour absorption, and so the CO2 greenhouse effect is stronger where there is less atmospheric water vapour.
But it does not overlap entirely, so there will be warming everywhere, and the poles (or other deserts for that matter) are not thermally isolated from other parts of the earth.
I imagine that ocean currents will move a lot of heat around in the 25-50 year time period that it takes for the climate to have completed 60% of its response to an increase in CO2.

Background
The authors write that “the IPCC AR4 states with very high confidence that climate change contributes to the global burden of disease and to increased mortality,” citing the contribution of Confalonieri et al. (2007) to that document.

And they write that, while their methods are more precise, this was likely to be conservative:
“The results were reported relative to the baseline period of 1961–1990. It should be noted that human activity had already had an impact on the climate during this period.”
Which is par for the course with the IPCC. They are generally very conservative, because of the political review, where politicians from fossil fuel producing and consuming nations try to ensure the profitability of those sectors, and the expense of lives in Africa and Asia, and other lives 50 years hence.

Wombat, usually your nonsense is just scroll-by stuff. But — in warming eras the poles warm most. In cooling eras they cool most. The tropics are very stable. Nothing whatsoever to do with any of the factors you mentioned.
YCLIU

A few studies I came across suggested the people of the UK don’t dress appropriately for unusually cold weather, unlike the Scandinavians who live in a cooler environment.
Flu outbreaks did not increase mortality among the elderly, while cardiovascular problems had the greatest impact. It was simply the cold that killed them.
I feel a mass migration coming on – baby boomers on the march.

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This has been painfully obvious for years. In a SINGLE exceptionally hot year it was claimed there were 2300 extra deaths. Age concern said that EACH AND EVERY YEAR there are 23000 deaths due to cold. Last year figures of 40,000 or so were being quoted.
Living in Scotland I doubt even a handful of people died due to the “heat”, whereas there will be many many more in proportion who die from cold.
OK, if warming happened, then I wouldn’t doubt there might be problems in warmer areas of the world, but the point at which warming is worse than cooling would be a long way south of the UK – if any such place existed!

OT I know, but some posters such as Solarbud make me laugh. Who will probably get cross with me for being heartless, or flippant. Or both. But this study was about the UK – get over it!
Some years ago I taught in a Roman Catholic Co-ed High School. I was chatting to one of the religius teachers out in the grounds and a senior female student, noted for being gorgeous but somewhat airheaded, bustled up to my colleauge
“Brother, Brother! I have just heard that the death statistics have gone up!”
The unflappable Brother smiled at her;
“Don’t worry, child. The statistics are the same as they they always were; one death per person!”

The UK government tacitly acknowledges the truth of this study.
We have had a “Winter Fuel Allowance” for pensioners and some other vulnerable groups (which is increased for those of 80+ years I think).
There is no word yet on a “Summer Cooling Allowance” yet though.

Tim Williams says:
November 23, 2010 at 1:05 pm
….“However, even if climate change significantly
decreases cold-related mortality, this benefit should be considered alongside the
other, predominantly detrimental, health impacts discussed in Section 1″
Namely:
…Increased likelyhood of variability of food crop yields as a precursor to the detrimental health impact of malnutrition and hunger….
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Where the heck did you ever get the idea that warmer is bad for food production???? Try telling THAT to a Mongolian Herder. After this last winter you would think that piece of propaganda would have died.
1. Warmer weather means MORE evaporation which means MORE rain. MORE CO2 means plants need LESS water (the stomata do not have to be as open and the do not lose as much moisture trying to get the CO2 they need)
2. Plants LOVE CO2 and it increase growth and production.
3. Increase in warmth has increase the area where grain crops can now grow. That is Canada and Russia.
A late spring frost or early fall frost can mean losing an entire crop. The effect of Florida citrus fruit trees last winter is proof. Not to mention the effects of cold all over the Northern Hemisphere.
11/17/2010 A … This freeze was the fifth *impact freeze recorded in Florida history, …
“…*Impact Freeze: a freeze so severe that it annihilates entire groves across the state, killing both mature and young citrus trees, while causing a profound economic impact on the citrus industry and usually prompting growers to replant farther south. “ http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20100117/ISSUE01/301179971
Freezing winter weather in the Sunshine State has wiped out nearly 70 percent of that state’s tomato crop
…another sizable industry that has suffered more than any other because of this year’s unusually long cold snap — tropical fish.
Multiple Deaths Blamed on Frigid, Below-Normal Temperatures Affecting 60 Percent of Americans
THOUSANDS of farm animals face being frozen to death as Scotland experiences its worst winter weather in almost 50 years, farmers have warned. (If you can not get hay to your animals they will die. The USA used aircraft to drop hay to herds last winter)
And if you can not use aircraft to drop hay…
Piles of carcasses have been found where Mongolian livestock have frozen to death
“The Mongolian winter catastrophe is like a slow strangulation… The early-born baby animals succumb first… then the smaller animal species like the cashmere goats …then the big ones… At this point several million animals—the livelihood for Mongolia’s nomadic herders—have perished, and the winter is beginning to take the lives of people…”
Changes in growing belts are detailed here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/15/canada-and-usa-agricultural-weather-issues-and-changes-in-our-solar-cycles/

Anyone who has never grown a carrot, please, stop talking about how a warming world would lead to crop failures. Cold not only freezes, it produces drought (read up on the dust bowl era). And just try, I dare you, to milk a cow in minus temperatures. Warm your hands first, if you can. When I was a little girl, my job was to milk the cows before they got hooked up, to get a pan of milk for the cats. I think it was just to keep me busy, mouth shut, and out of the way. In the warmer seasons, I liked my job. But I sure didn’t like it in the winter.
Here’s another helping of reality, back before we had electricity out to the barn and water tank, we had to carry hot water out to the tanks, one bucket at a time, more than once a day. A week of bitter cold freezing night and day time temps will leave your animals searching for water. Yes, they eat snow, but it stresses them out. If electricity prices rise beyond the ability of ranchers to make a profit, we will be back to carrying hot water to our animals again because we will have to shut off the electricity to our outbuildings and water tank heaters. And don’t tell us to sell out to big ranchers. Besides, if you are a true greenie, you don’t want to eat animals raised under feedlot conditions.

Charlie A says:
November 23, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Observation #1:
This is why you see old people moving to Florida…
This obviously calls for a scientific study to see if there is a causal relationship between #2 and #1.
I just hope it doesn’t mean that it causes more old people to wear bikinis. 🙂
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No it just means you will see more old folks in flowered shirts and baggy shorts using binoculars to study (oogle) the young folks.

Controlling the worst of the next ice age may boil down to keeping large dams from forming in major water ways. It’s been done on a smaller scale already. Iced up rivers have been blown apart for decades.

Pamela-back in the cold 60’s they did exactly that-blowing up ice Dams on the
Grande Ronde near La Grande , Or. on I-84 about where the old Mill Dam was. -20 wasn’t uncommon through the 70’s . Of course I think we are headed there again. Oh another thing that I remember is being slappped by a Urine Soaked Cow’s Tail at -10F. Or getting stepped on by said cow as you set the machine on a cold, chapped udder. I verify every thing you say…Nothing like Grass fed beef, took my wife by surprise when she had her first Grass Fed T-bone, she was raised in the Midwest and used to feedlot beef.
As an aside, before the start of the Warm period n the Western US the Early 1980’s were still suffering from the Ice Age Hysteria. (Not sure its so Hysterical now) but,
there was talk of glaciation resuming in the Steens and Strawberry Mtns. Malhur
lake and Harney lake-home to a huge wildlife refuge grew to a point of joinng
together, and there was worry about ranches flooding and the city of Burns, Or.
itself. Then it turned warm, and I was privy to a “Global Warming Briefing ” by
a USFS Drone, at an Airtanker base meeting in Silver City NM. (’89)She even quoted
Hansen’s Congressional Testimony in ’88! of course this was the year after Yellowstone and the FUBAR that was. Even as a budding Tanker pilot, It was clear
that there were some in the government that wanted a “let burn’ policy in dry
years. and the mood was-” it isn’t ever going to rain/snow again, so live with it.”
Well things have we seem to have switched back to cold, and no, I am not looking
forward to that..

Sorry Dude but your article is simply out of the world!
Come back to our earth

In Britain, Nine Pensioners Die of Cold Every Hour.
Thousands of pensioners died from cold-related illnesses last winter as heating bills soared and temperatures plummeted, official figures reveal. The number of deaths linked to the cold between December and March reached 25,400 in England and Wales, with another 2,760 in Scotland.
The figures are equivalent to nine deaths every hour. The total gave Britain the highest winter death rate in northern Europe, worse than much colder countries such as Finland and Sweden.
There are fears the death toll could increase this year following energy price rises which may frighten elderly people into not turning on their heating.
Michelle Mitchell, of Age UK, said: “It’s unacceptable that tens of thousands more older people die in this country every winter from the effects of the cold weather. The fact that the UK has one of the highest winter mortality rates in Europe makes it clear this is very much a home-grown problem. Behind these statistics lie deep-seated social issues, such as one in three over-60s living in houses which fail the ‘decent home’ standard.”
However, the UK death rate total fell by around 30% compared with 2008-9 because there were fewer flu outbreaks, according to the Office of National Statistics (ONS). ONS researcher Vanessa Fearn said: “Although the winter of 2009-10 was the coldest since 1995-96, excess winter mortality fell by almost a third.This may be because levels of influenza were low.”
Dot Gibson, general secretary of the National Pensioners Convention, called for more government help for the elderly. “No other section of our society is so vulnerable and treated so badly. Pensioners need more money in the form of the winter fuel allowance so that they can avoid having to decide whether to heat or eat.”
Simon Bottery, of the charity Independent Age, said 25,000 deaths was still too high. “The cost of fuel can be a real strain, and leads some older people to cut back on other basics or risk the cold,” he said.

@Dennis Crockford
As has been documented here, and many other places, and also in their own hand via the climategate emails, there has been little to no science involved in anything the IPCC has done. It has all been a public relations exercise.

Stephen Pruett says: November 23, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Tim Williams points out that the beneficial effects reported here should be balanced with the harmful effects caused by floods, droughts, hurricanes, etc. However, according to Pielke Jr. the case for increased hurricanes due to warming is non-existent.
Hi Stephen. Increased air temperature results in a much greater carrying capacity for H2O. So while the frequency question is open, the potential for major storms in a warmer world (say +3C) to cause excessive flooding is considerable. Given that engineering around the first world typically caters for 1 in (x)100 year events based on statistics from the last century it means damage to crops, infrastructure and lives as well as expensive redesigns of existing flood mitigation systems. The UK will hardly be immune in this case and the third world, as always, will suffer disproportionately.