Pachauri’s TERI institute golf course – water hog in a city desperate for fresh water

Richard North of the EU Referendum reports on this bizarre twist with IPCC Chairman Rajenda Pachauri’s use of land that was designated for public use, now runs afoul of the grant terms under which the land was given. Plus a lot of water in a city that has water shortages. So much for sustainability.

Pachauri, famous for telling other how to live sustainable lives has a private chauffeur, spurns his electric cars provided for him, and once said in a newspaper interview:

‘Unfortunately, “social and environmental issues are often left without effective support when economic growth takes precedence,” he added.’

So, that’s why you charge memberships to your golf course and keep out the public from land given to you designated for public use?

It’s time for Pachauri to go. He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted. His personal life is hypocritical of what he preaches to the rest of the world via his IPCC position and is a public relations disaster.


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“Happiness in life is based on expectations,” writes Rajendra K Pachauri on his own blog. And if your expectations include ownership of a nine-hole golf course, then Dr Pachauri must be a very happy man indeed.

The ownership is reported today by the Indian newspaper the Mail Today which tells us that R K Pachauri’s “not-for-profit” TERI – imbued with a mission to “work towards global sustainable development, creating innovative solutions for a better tomorrow” – is the proud owner of a water-guzzling nine hole golf course in Gual Pahari on the outskirts of Gurgaon a satellite town to the southwest of New Delhi.

This much is not new. It was described in glowing terms by the Business Standard in February 2007, when we were told of a “beautiful golf course” that precedes the entrance of a “completely different world from the precincts of Gurgaon”.

It is part of the “amazingly landscaped 36-hectare TERI (The Energy and Resources Institute) campus at Gual Pahari.” And nestled inside this campus is an unassuming building called The Retreat, a training and recreation centre for TERI staff and executives.

Furthermore, TERI has made no secret of the facility, noting in its Annual report 2006/7 that the golf course had been created “with the intention of promoting golf amongst TERI personnel residing in Delhi and Gurgaon.” It was then that the six-hole golf course was being upgraded into a nine-hole green. A 200-yard driving range was “an added attraction” and there was a nine-hole putting course adjacent to the Retreat building.

But, it appears, TERI is harbouring a guilty “secret”. The five-acre golf course is part of the 69 acres of institutional land it acquired from Haryana Urban Development Authority (HUDA) in 1985 (below – Google Earth), for the exclusive use of TERI staff. Commercial exploitation is prohibited.

click for interactive Google Maps

Yet the paper has found that the golf course has been opened up to selected members of the public who are being charged Rs 25,000 (£350) for membership.

According to Gurgaon’s district town planner Vijender Singh Rana, commercial activity through sports on institutional land is illegal. “HUDA gave this land to TERI for institutional or public and semi-public purpose.”
Rana said. “Though they have asked for change of land use (CLU) regularly from HUDA, permission cannot be given for any sporting activity. If TERI is selling golf course memberships, it is wrong.” Rana said the conditions for use of institutional land were clear. “If TERI uses it for its own purpose, there is no problem. But it cannot use it commercially and sell golf memberships,” he said.

Equally contentious is the water usage to keep the golf course green. As chair of the IPCC, Pachauri is voluble in demanding of governments around the world that they cut down on carbon emissions and save water, among other things, to sustain the environment. He is equally voluble about potential water shortages in his home country, arising from melting glaciers and all that.


TERI claims that water conservation measures on the campus include “an efficient central rainwater harvesting system in accordance with water conservation guidelines such as drip water irrigation, early morning and late evening half circle sprinkling to minimise water evaporation and loss.”

But with the golf course and environs requiring up to 300,000 gallons a day during the summer to keep the lush greenery in condition (pictured above), questions are being asked about the sustainability of the facility, which would have difficulty in meeting the volume required solely from harvested water.

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188 thoughts on “Pachauri’s TERI institute golf course – water hog in a city desperate for fresh water

  1. “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science….

    REPLY: Indeed, if it were about the science, Pachauri would have come clean on the 2035 glacier melt issue right away, he wouldn’t need a chaffeur, and he wouldn’t be involved in all sorts of questionable enterprises that detract from the work of the IPCC. But go ahead, defend the man if you must. I’m sure you can find a way to link his smutty romance novel to global warming science. – Anthony

  2. Synonyms for a person of Pachauri’s ilk from thesaurus(dot)com:

    Pharisee, actor, attitudinizer, backslider, bigot, bluffer, casuist, charlatan, cheat, con artist, crook, deceiver, decoy, dissembler, dissimulator, fake, faker, four-flusher, fraud, hook*, humbug, impostor, informer, lip server, malingerer, masquerader, mountebank, phony, playactor, poser, pretender, quack, smoothie, sophist, swindler, trickster, two-face, two-timer, wolf in sheep’s clothing

  3. We all know how Golf sports brings up the “best” qualities of man.
    Who cares about little water! We only use battery powered Golf Carts.
    Tiger Woods, Pachauri, Gore and Obama, they truly are the biggest hypocrites and liars the world has ever seen.

    An Al Gore Golf Shirt anybody? Order it here:
    http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby.95283964

  4. The IPCC should be able to see from that satellite photo that if they want to offset sea level rise all you have to do is irrigate land.

    That will take people out of poverty and make lots of golf courses for their buddies.

    Oh forget that point about taking people out of poverty though. They might want to use our energy resources. So leave them to live poor, diseased and in harmony with Gaia!

  5. I am wondering how long it will take some enterprising engineer with the city to change the kind of water that is delivered to that golf course.

  6. Paucharia’s illegal actions are wasting water in the midst of Delhi’s desperate water shortage. See:

    Delhi for Water petition

    There is no water in Delhi. By 2015, Delhites will be killing each other for water. The Yamuna is nearly dry. Underground water has nearly dried up. Everyday huge buildings are constructed demanding more water. The water situation is desperate and has been a crisis since 2005. More than 2,000 people are coming and settling down in Delhi every day. This sort of pressure on water demands cannot be met

    —————————
    Rainwater Harvesting Drive

    The present demand for water in Delhi is around 800 MGD whereas the supply from all the available sources is about 650 MGD. The gap between demand and supply is partly being met by extraction of ground water through wells, tubewells, deep bore hand pumps etc. . . .#

    Over-exploitation of ground water resources has resulted in decline in water levels by 4 to 10 metres in the last decade alone. . . .

    ——————
    Delhi water

    Unplanned urbanisation and spiraling population have resulted in severe water crisis in Delhi. . . . .The state-run water utility, DJB, is fighting a losing battle to plug the gap between demand and supply. Majority of the citizens depend primarily on groundwater to meet their daily requirements, as DJB’s service is inadequate and erratic. A large portion of the city is not even connected to the Boards’ supply network.

    Result: groundwater levels in most parts of Delhi have dipped precariously. Over dependence on groundwater has also led to fluoride and nitrate contamination in many blocks. To add to this crisis, over 40 per cent of the treated water transported through DJB’s distribution system is wasted due to leaking pipes and pilferage.

    TERI’s water use alone is 0.05% of Delhi’s supply.

  7. I am not defending the man.

    I am looking at what YOU do in the circumstances

    REPLY: Indeed, if it were about the science, Pachauri would have come clean on the 2035 glacier melt issue right away, he wouldn’t need a chaffeur, and he wouldn’t be involved in all sorts of questionable enterprises that detract from the work of the IPCC. But go ahead, defend the man if you must. I’m sure you can find a way to link his smutty romance novel to global warming science. – Anthony

    What I see is not a response on the science, but a response on his personality.
    It cuts both ways Anthony. If you want to fall to personal attacks so be it, but it is a reflection upon yourself.

    REPLY: Well I’m not the one that has to defend misuse of public funds, public properties, and public science. The criticisms are valid. Just as valid as criticisms of the failings of Tiger Woods, or any other public figure who violates public trust.

    “Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.” – Abraham Lincoln

    – Anthony

  8. harvey (20:13:20) :

    “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science….
    ————–
    Reply:
    I’ve never heard Pachauri say anything intelligent about the science. I fully believe he’s clueless when it comes to anything regarding climate science.

    So its absolutely, irrevocably NOT about the science. He’s just scratched enough backs to have that chair, but certainly none of the respect.

    But without a doubt, he’s the best friend we climate realists could ever have. I hope he keeps his job and continues to drag the IPCC through the dirt as long as he can.

  9. Forget these personal attacks Anthony.
    Or some day they will come back and haunt you.
    Or do you enjoy destroying yet another persons life and career?

    I want to see know and understand what is going on. These political machinations do not in anyway help this situation. Too me its just a smoke screen.
    Attack the person, and not the science.

  10. Harvey, the simple fact of the matter is that the man has no integrity. He has been lining his own pockets. He has been boosting his own position. He has been in a position where he can personally profit from his “work” on climate change. His advocacy then seems to be more about enriching his own personal bank account than about saving the planet in any way.

    When it turns up that grants to his own operations resulted from IPCC quoting of his own employees, it begins to become more a matter of stealing from the public.

  11. harvey (21:04:42) :

    Forget these personal attacks Anthony.
    Or some day they will come back and haunt you.
    Or do you enjoy destroying yet another persons life and career?

    What is that old saying, All is fair in love and war.

    Well Harvey old boy this is a war, and guess what we are going to win it.

  12. REPLY: Well I’m not the one that has to defend misuse of public funds, public properties, and public science. The criticisms are valid. Just as valid as criticisms of the failings of Tiger Woods, or any other public figure who violates public trust.

    “Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.” – Abraham Lincoln

    – Anthony

    Well this is not what I expected…

    Its like replying to my statement that 3+2 is 5
    by saying 4 +7 is 11.. So There
    WHATS UP WITH THAT?

    The value of attacking a person is in destroying his political or cultural position.
    It has nothing to do with the facts.
    So this implies that you really do not care about what is really going on, but rather to just score points.

    I want to evaluate and understand what is going on, not to read these soap opera attacks.

    REPLY: It’s not soap opera. The man preaches sustainability, yet acts like a mega consumer of water, flies around the world in a private jet, misuses land granted to him for public use by closing it to the public and then profiting from it, lied about it when he knew about the 2035 glacier issue, and profited from the lie with grants to study the non-problem, and writes smutty romance novels.

    If you can’t see the glaringly obvious problems with all that related to his position in the IPCC, then you are inept at understanding the value of character and integrity as it relates to leadership positions. Let me spell it out: The IPCC science is flawed because the leader hasn’t enough personal integrity to correct such things, even when made known. He’s all about the money, not the science. – A

  13. harvey (20:53:48) :

    The fact that you consider exposing mendacity and corruption a despicable personal attack says quite a bit about you.

  14. Here’s the secret if you want to know when it comes to reducing carbon emissions to the levels of a century ago.

    Become a member of the world’s uppercrust class of people, then you can emit as much Co2 as you want. The trick is to get everyone else to slice their Co2 emissions to almost nothing and bring an end to modern society, then the uppercrust will all gather in a development around that golf course where they not only have their own personal factories producing goods and new technology for them to enjoy, but if you’re lucky you can be a servant with your own outdoor hut.

    Pretty much joking around here, they may just as likely plug everyone else into the Matrix (which would be solar powered), so you would think you’re in a place of freedom, but monitored by their law enforcement program titled Agent Smith.

  15. Harvey

    ‘Forget these personal attacks Anthony.
    Or some day they will come back and haunt you.
    Or do you enjoy destroying yet another persons life and career?’

    Harvey. Harvey. Harvey. Give me a break – pleeeeeese! Spare me the crocidilian tears1 Destroying Pachauri’s career? Pray tell me which of his careers do you have in mind? Perhaps the one in Teeside – you know – the one where he ripped the heart out of the town of Redcar transferred the factory and 1,700 jobs to India as a favour to Europe’s effort to save the planet? Now that’s a great career to keep!

  16. Science isn’t a democratic process. It doesn’t matter what the “majority” believe to be true. There is only that which is. So far there is no evidence to show that human created CO2 emissions are doing anything harmful to the environment, no matter how many believe they do.

  17. The golf course is there but what are the big circles with faint rectangles near the middle:
    28.427305 N, 77.147956 E (in Google Earth)

    Maybe horse related?
    ————————————————————–
    My say: If you can’t trust the man, you can’t trust his science.

  18. harvey what’s the issue here? The man is obviously corrupt, unethical and an unmitigated scam artist. It is what it is. If you can’t see the issue here then as another poster said, I think you have a problem.

  19. Can someone tell Google to develop a reverse search – that is, I want to place the coordinates on a spot and have it identified.
    For example, east of the TERI Retreat Center,
    what are these four things?
    28.425161 N, 77.155253 E

    REPLY: They are buildings with central courtyards. Probably another institute or school of some sorts

  20. harvey (20:13:20) :

    “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science….

    ————————
    Yeah right, its all about the science of swindle, posture and pork barrel. That’s your 21st century ‘Science’ for you “harvey (20:13:20)”.

    Carnival shill …
    Buy this “IPCC Certified” product. It’s real because the “IPCC” and “Royal Society”certify it is genuine.

    Spin the image of a credible, quality product. Shame on the buyer for being fooled by the tinsel foil, window dressing. Dare to be dubious and risk getting labeled as intellectualy defective, ‘creation scientist’ type.

    Time for me to quit calling myself a scientist. I want none of the sick deceitfulness that science has become.

  21. “keith (21:53:39) :

    It seems the only green Pachauri is familiar with is the one on his golf course..”

    He’s familiar with the other type of green too (The greenback that is).

  22. Icefree

    While I agree with you that it’s a war, we are nowhere near winning. In fact, we are losing where it really counts.

    The whole climategate/IPCC thing is a minor skirmish. If you want a glimpse of the “real” war, google “climate change lesson material”, and take a look at what the kids are being taught in the schools in your part of the world.

    Drop in on http://www.teachingclimatechange.com for a look at the “recommended material” for junior high school students downunder here in OZ. Check out the “exercises” at the end of Module 5, for instance.

    This is produced by the Australia Institute. Call at their website – http://www.tai.org.au and check out their board of directors, and see what/who we are up against.

    If that doesn’t convince you, keep in mind this has all been going on for twenty years, and the teachers “teaching” this stuff as “science” are themselves products of the same propaganda/brainwashing.

    We may be winning a few skirmishes and bagging a few scalps. But where it counts the high priests are still busy programming their next generation of mindless climate-bots with impunity.

    Frankly, they don’t give a stuff what happens to Pachauri or the IPCC as long as they are being left alone to get on with the job.

  23. harvey (20:13:20) :

    “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science….
    —————–

    About the science? No It is about turning science into a business that sells desirable, quality, ephemeral pipe dreams.

    “Buy this bond because it certified, insured and backed by the Better Business Bureau”. It is about the deliberate crafting of an image that is easily marketable.

    That’s the whole thing about this *new* science harvey. The science has become irrelevant.

  24. Hi Harvey
    Are you for real or are you just taking the piss? If you are not taking the piss then please spend some time reading previous posts on this subject. If you are taking the piss then just piss off.

  25. Let’s see, at 300,000 gallons per day (during summer) that translates to about one Olympic swimming pool’s worth of water every two days. That must be one hell of a catchment system!

  26. mr.artday (20:53:32) :

    Doug in Seattle; You left out hypocrite and (neologism alert) hyperhypocrite.

    The thesaurus list I supplied is for “hypocrite”.

  27. The Basic Water Requirement is generally given as 25 litres per person per day. Since the golf course is using 300,000 gallons per day, that works out to enough water to supply 50,000 people …

  28. It doesn’t suprise me that Pachauri has done this…. It’ s normal behaviour of tyrants and despots…. and there are always sycophants like Harvey who defend them…..

  29. harvey (20:13:20)

    “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science….

    I don’t understand this comment. Despite being described by the BBC as ““considered the top climate scientist in the world“, Pachauri is not a climate scientist of any kind. He has a joint Ph.D. in Industrial Engineering and Economics. I do not know of any work at all that he has done in climate science. He is a manager and a politician, pure and simple.

    As a result, there’s nothing “about the science” that anyone could say regarding Pachauri … so your comment is nonsense. All we can comment on is his management and his politics, and those (as Anthony says) are both anti-scientific and deceitful.

  30. Wow…. It isn’t hard to see where the parasitical bureaucracy resides and plays. Just look for the green bits… Here in Oz the farms would be green and the rest dry… ‘cept the ovals… gotta have green ovals for cricket.

  31. harvey (21:20:27) : edit
    “Well this is not what I expected…

    Its like replying to my statement that 3+2 is 5
    by saying 4 +7 is 11.. So There
    WHATS UP WITH THAT?

    The value of attacking a person is in destroying his political or cultural position.
    It has nothing to do with the facts.
    So this implies that you really do not care about what is really going on, but rather to just score points.

    I want to evaluate and understand what is going on, not to read these soap opera attacks.”

    Harvey, cut the crap. We skeptics have been dealing with personal attacks on our character, to the point of being accused of being holocaust deniers, for years now. The facts are that your and other warmists personal attacks were utterly false, but these FACTS about Pauchauri’s behavior, corruption, fraud, misuse of public funds and assets, malfeasance, among other CRIMINAL activities, are not attacks, they are facts. It’s not like we are accusing him of having a dozen supermodel girlfriends or of sleeping with 12 year old boys…. Get real.

  32. @harvey

    “The value of attacking a person is in destroying his political or cultural position. It has nothing to do with the facts.”

    Pachauri’s hypocrisy is a FACT which needs to be exposed, discussed, and condemned. If a doctor is caught violating his Hippocratic Oath he is similarly condemned because it shows that he puts a low value on human life (the antithesis of what we would expect from a doctor). When the head of the IPCC uses fraudulent science to deceive the world while enriching himself and his cronies, that is a grotesque abuse of the public’s trust. In other words, that makes Pachauri a scumbag.

    Attacking the character of a corrupt public official is standard practice in western democracies precisely because we expect public officials to be working for us, not against us. Since Pachauri is guilty of the latter, that makes this personal — Got it?

  33. harvey (21:20:27) :

    The value of attacking a person is in destroying his political or cultural position.
    It has nothing to do with the facts.
    So this implies that you really do not care about what is really going on, but rather to just score points.

    I want to evaluate and understand what is going on, not to read these soap opera attacks.
    ————————

    Who cares about soap operas?
    Why not go and argue with some ‘facts’ henry.
    I mean, only a true Cnut would do such a thing.

    Those ‘facts’ don’t listen. They cannot be convinced. That is their great saving grace.

  34. harvey

    it’s important to show the character of the people involved in global warming. It shows how reliable they are.

    “A tree is known by its fruits.”

    For example, Al Gore had poor grades in science. His house used more electricity than 10 households (before he went ‘green’ after people found out about it) . James Hansen has accepted political award money and has endorsed a politician. He has also testified in court that vandalism is alright and he has been arrested at a coal protest.

    All of these things reveal something about the people involved in global warming.

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science….
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    The fact that Pachauri didn’t reveal the truth about Himalayan Glaciers at Copenhagen says that for Pachauri it has nothing to do with science.

    Would you contact Pachauri and tell him it’s all about science? Because apparently for him it is about other things.

  35. Pachauri’s TERI institute golf course – water hog in a city desperate for fresh water

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Let them drink Perrier.

    Let them eat cake.

  36. Harvey, if you really want to understand what is going on try nov55.com. This site explains how CO2 works and how it cannot cause disastrous warming, and why science has become corrupt – funding is only available for research to prove some point, not discover the facts; scientists lose their jobs if they rock the boat.

    If you are being paid to spread anti sceptic propaganda and defend the status quo, it wouldn’t surprise me. This seems to be how science works now.

  37. harvey

    The value of attacking a person is in destroying his political or cultural position. It has nothing to do with the facts.

    come on harv, it’s satire.

  38. @mikelorrey

    “It’s not like we are accusing him of having a dozen supermodel girlfriends or of sleeping with 12 year old boys…”

    Pachauri wrote a softcore porn novel that features 76 year old Shirley MacLaine as one of the central characters. It’s hard enough to top that.

    • Daniel H
      2010/02/20 at 11:32pm

      @mikelorrey

      “It’s not like we are accusing him of having a dozen supermodel girlfriends or of sleeping with 12 year old boys…”

      “Pachauri wrote a softcore porn novel that features 76 year old Shirley MacLaine as one of the central characters. It’s hard enough to top that.”

      Sure, but he was PROUD of THAT… its not like we exposed any deep dark hidden secret, like…OMG! Overwatered Golf Course!!!

    • Daniel H
      2010/02/20 at 11:32pm

      @mikelorrey

      “It’s not like we are accusing him of having a dozen supermodel girlfriends or of sleeping with 12 year old boys…”

      “Pachauri wrote a softcore porn novel that features 76 year old Shirley MacLaine as one of the central characters. It’s hard enough to top that.”

      Meh, romance (I reserve “softcore porn” for publications that have pictures) novels… so easy a caveman can do it…

      As for the golf club memberships, thats really just a matter of poor thinking… any idiot running a non-profit schtick knows those perks are merely benefits to “donors” of a certain level… selling actual memberships shows a real lack of imagination…

  39. Pachauri is the gift that keeps giving. He’s hurting the AGW movement by putting a face on the venal, corrupt, incompetent side of AGW.

  40. harvey (21:04:42) :

    I want to see know and understand what is going on. These political machinations do not in anyway help this situation. Too me its just a smoke screen.

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    A smoke screen to divert from what?

    I also want to understand. And I found out a long time ago it isn’t about science. The science shows everything is ok, theres nothing to panic about.

    So really global warming is about power and/or money. This post froof of that. This post from Anthony Watts informs so they can “see know and understand what is going on”.

  41. Rajendra, suggestion, build a golf couse in South America. Paraquay has a large aquifer, and its a great place for shamed criminals to make a fresh start.

  42. Don’t forget this classic from the good Dr.

    Q: What have you done personally to shrink your carbon footprint?

    A: I’ve become a vegetarian. I try to minimize the use of cars. Where I’ve failed is my impact with regard to air travel. I tell people I was born a Hindu who believes in reincarnation. It will take me the next six lives to neutralize my carbon footprint. There’s no way I can do it in one lifetime.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/03/pachauri-skeptics-are-flat-earthers/

    The guy is an ….(snip). He should go back to driving trains !!

  43. I realize that most of you are aware of the many court cases against the EPA CO2 finding, what you might not be aware of is the strategy being taken by the State of Virginia.

    The State of Virginia is not challenging the EPA’s authority; The State of Virginia intends to challenge the findings of climate scientists, under oath, in open court. That gives the State of Virginia all the powers and facilities of a court case, discovery, financial forensic investigation, corporate and private relationships, burden of proof, investigating chain of custody of data, originals not manipulated copies, subpoenas, search warrants, depositions, etc.

    The AGW believers will have to prove the science in open court.

    “While a number of the suits are expected to focus on the EPA’s legal right to regulate emissions and whether or not the Clean Air Act is an appropriate mechanism for curbing greenhouse gas emissions, Virginia attorney general Kenneth T Cuccinelli II indicated the state’s legal action would seek to challenge the findings of climate scientists.”

    http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2258194/virginia-alabama-crank-legal

    I can hardly wait to hear a computer science engineers up on the witness stand explaining what the climatology programs they have examined do to real data; or a Court Bailiff indicating that the original data required for the proof could not be found; or the Treasurer from CRU will explain paying some ‘scientists’ in installments just under the $10,000.00 limit so that they could avoid taxes; or Michael Mann on the stand explaining the hockey stick, without the data or programs that created it; or NOAA explain the logic of using hopelessly sited thermometers to judge the worlds temperature. The mind boggles.

    The warmists will actually have to come up with proof, not models, not software, but real data form the real world.

    I wonder how many of the thousands-and-thousands of scientists will be willing to appear, we will finally get the actual list of names (if such a list ever existed).

    I doubt the court will take kindly to be insulted, the usual tactic for the warmists when questioned.

    All this and much, much more, this is going to be very, very interesting.

    I do not know which we will run out of first; popcorn or busses.

  44. Harvey seems unable to make the distinction between ad hominim attacks and
    criticising corrupt practice based on evidence. Without public accountability as the popular song went, ‘anything goes!’

  45. anthony, the last line of your last rebuttal says it all, although i’ve been snipped before for saying it. it’s all about the money, folks!
    This is why it will take at least five years for this scam to fully unraval.
    In the uk,for example, the whole taxation of motor vehicles is based on co2, what politian will have the balls to change that then?

  46. Here where I live in the lower mainland of B.C. Canada, we have lawn sprinkler restrictions every summer. July and August are dry months and it seems to be always raining during all of the other months of the year. This regular occurance of dry summer months, except for the last one, September when the cool wet weather appears again, has been my observation since living here beginning in 1967. Last summer when we once again began the lawn sprinkler restrictions, the CBC National news reported this event and linked it to Global Warming.
    Our population here has grown considerably over the years without much expansion of our water reservoir system and since we have plenty of water the rest of the year we don’t want to spend the $450 million or so dollars to improve the reservoir capacity and instead live with brown lawns for a few weeks.
    Also a few years ago it was discovered that the parks department of the city of Vancouver had used 450 million gallons of water one summer to top up decorative ponds. Perhaps one of the reasons the sprinkler restrictions were started in the first place.

  47. Willis Eschenbach (22:38:32) :

    The Basic Water Requirement is generally given as 25 litres per person per day.

    In the US the EPA recommends 75 gal/day per person. The Pachauri/Teri Golf and Country Club would therefore serve only about 4,000 Americans.

    It is the UN recommends 25 litres/day (which is about 10% of 75 gallons) as a basic subsistence level – as in no baths and dirty clothes, just human minimum requirements.

  48. Hang on Harvey (21:04:42

    This site WUWT has done as much and more than any other to debate and debunk “the science”.
    However, when it comes to Pachauri and his IPCC, it is not, was not and never will be a scientific organization. It is a political organization. As such, any hypocracy, deceit, willful lies and misrepresentations are fair game. Period.
    As the head of an organization that effectively “interprets” the science for policy makers, Pachauris integrity is paramount for the process.

    So, what have you to say about the mans integrity Harvey?

  49. @Andrew30

    Can you provide a link to an article that outlines the strategies you’ve mentioned in relation to the Virginia vs EPA case? The original article you cited does not go into any specific detail regarding the legal strategy that Virginia is planning to use. Thanks.

  50. Re: David L. Hagen (Feb 20 20:34),

    TERI’s water use alone is 0.05% of Delhi’s supply.

    Delhi has a population of 14 mill. If the above 0.05% is true, then that’s enough water for about 700,000 people.

    I’d like to hear somebody defend the morality of that.

  51. John F. Hultquist (21:46:54) :

    The golf course is there but what are the big circles with faint rectangles near the middle: 28.427305 N, 77.147956 E (in Google Earth)

    Maybe horse related?

    The first circle is the “TERI Oval” … Pachy’s personal “world class” cricket ground … the one he used when he flew from New York and back over a weekend to play a game. The second is the spare (I think), to give the first one a rest.

  52. Harvey,

    You say:
    “I want to see know and understand what is going on. These political machinations do not in anyway help this situation. Too me its just a smoke screen.”

    Let me make it real simple for you Harvey. The weather is cyclical and goes in 20-30 year warming and cooling cycles. We have just been through a warming cycle, and now we’re going into a cool one. For various reason I won’t bother with here, it will almost certainly be a protracted, especially severe cold period.

    The three things the world (especially the northern hemisphere) will need in abundance are excess food from “elsewhere”, plenty of energy for transport and warmth, and money to alleviate the worst suffering.

    However, after two decades of global warming hysteria, we see excess food being turned into biofuel, countless windmills instead of any REAL growth in energy sources, and a western world already crippled by the financial crisis, now frittering away what’s left on “green taxes”, “green industries” and “green jobs”.

    In other words Harvey, over the next ten years or so you are probably going to witness (or even be part of), the greatest disaster in the history of Mankind, with hundreds of millions of people displaced, starving, and freezing, and with no hope of salvation.

    Since it is now far too late to do anything constructive to prevent the suffering and deaths, all you have to figure out Harvey is whether it has come to this through massive incompetence, or planning.

    To help you decide, I suggest you take a look at the people behind all this from the very start, and see what they have been saying for over thirty years about the “need” for massive population reduction.

    You are upset that Mr Watts indulged in a bit of name-calling?

    [snip…bridge too far. ~ ctm]

  53. The point is that VIPs like Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il, Fidel Castro and Pachauri are obviously entitled to a few personal luxuries.

    As these individuals all provide such wisdom, understanding and intellectual enlightenment to the masses, we should support their endeavours and not snipe at their occasional minor failings.

    For the record: The price of water rose sharply in Delhi last month: As per the new structure, the monthly charge for consumption of 10 kilo litres of water will go up from rupees 52 to rupees 82 from January. (ANI)

    There are 46 rupees to the dollar.

    PS Baa Humbug: it is 70,000, not 700,000 people.

  54. John F. Hultquist (21:46:54) :

    The golf course is there but what are the big circles with faint rectangles near the middle:
    28.427305 N, 77.147956 E (in Google Earth)

    Maybe horse related?
    ————————————————————–
    My say: If you can’t trust the man, you can’t trust his science.

    Cricket ?

  55. Willis Eschenbach (22:38:32) :

    “The Basic Water Requirement is generally given as 25 litres per person per day. Since the golf course is using 300,000 gallons per day, that works out to enough water to supply 50,000 people …”

    I take it that your number includes bathing and hygeine?

    By my calculations that golf course is using water that could be better spent providing 363k people their daily drinking water – probably close to a million people if rationed.

  56. And his mother dresses him funny…oh sorry…that’s his real hair. Let’s all make sure that his crimes do not pay. too bad he’s not the only one we need to make sure get’s justice. But if they do slip trough the cracks we can make sure that their lives are miserable with the wonders of the web. Time to make a master list of D Bags to harass on the web and on the street. This is just one more reason to defund the UN and expose all their crimes. Their activities on our soil are un American. Even their sculpture of a gun with a barrel tied in a knot is an affront to the right that keeps democracies safe world wide. The USA pays athird of the UN expenses. Cut them off and kick them out. Build a coal fired power plant on the land and use the power to run a desalination plant…to supply clean drinink water for humans. You know…humans…What the UN accusses as bad for the planet. Maybe tap some power to run elerctric chairs for these climate change crooks.OK I’m done ranting for now…Next!

  57. Personal attacks are only fair if they are true. A scientist’s work should not be attacked on the basis of say him commiting adultery, however a politician who preaches family values is fair game.
    Mr Pacauru is a sanctimonious hypocrite.

  58. The BBC just blew up more taxpayer’s money by sending a reporter to report on a complete non-event at a boring bar full of hookers in Bulgaria. Literally!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8522006.stm

    That place looks very suited for the likes of Pachauri after they steal taxpayer’s money and finish their round of golf within sight of starving farmers. I hear the next Bilderberger Frat Party is going to be just like that.

  59. John F. Hultquist (21:46:54) :

    The golf course is there but what are the big circles with faint rectangles near the middle:

    Cricket is also a necessary (un)sustainable activity at the TERI Retreat! World class facilities no less! Why not – it’s only our tax money he’s spending…

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/heat-on-cricket-pitch-warms-this-climate-change-laureate/231802/0

    I’m surprised there isn’t a polo field, a soccer pitch, and hockey is quite popular in India…

  60. I’m surprised at the number of posters critical about this article; to summarise the argument seems to be “play the ball, not the man”.

    Well, that’s fine if you’re talking about deciding between scientific conjectures, discussing engineering approaches, critiquing a novel and so on.

    Trouble is folks, the IPCC is an inherently political body and that makes it a whole different game; it becomes very much about the personal integrity of those in positions of power.

    When given a mandate to direct and influence how inordinately large amounts of time and money are spent on a global scale, one’s own personal motives and conduct take on paramount importance and must come under scrutiny and examination.

    Cheers

    Mark

  61. Re: AdderW (Feb 21 01:48), Good spot Andrew, of course that’s right. Dr Pachauri is apparently still a high class cricketer at nearly 70 years of age, or so he says. He must practice somewhere.
    Since we are told the money for TERI does not come from Tata Steel, presumably it must come from UN and government grants and be intended to be spent on “climate research”, as if Pachauri knows anything about that. So in addition to hypocrisy, abuse of the planning laws and contempt for his poor neighbours, we can add expense fraud, or theft to use plain English.

  62. Pachuari’s “Return to Almora [is] laced with steamy sex, lots of sex. Oh, and Shirley MacLaine.”

    Cool, er, hot, steamy sex, lots of hot steamy sex, with Shirley MacLaine as well… raising the heat factor to another level…

    All that steam… adds to global warming… as steam is water vapor and the largest green house gas is, as we all know, H20 in it’s various forms.

    Plus all that physical exertion must be putting a lot more CO2 into the atmosphere as well than normal non-steamy sex would.

    So, Pachuari writes smutty sex novels that encourage contributing to green house gases two ways! At least two ways! I’m sure can be thought of more once we apply our selves to this scientific endeavor.

    [:)]

  63. “…It’s time for Pachauri to go….His personal life is hypocritical of what he preaches to the rest of the world via his IPCC position and is a public relations disaster…”

    NO! Try to keep him where he is!

    Even amongst the hypocritical Greens, where will we get another target half as good…?

  64. “Mail Today which tells us that R K Pachauri’s “not-for-profit” TERI –”

    While London based TERI Europe still (laughably) registered as a non-profit I see nothing on the TERI site to indicate TERI is non-profit.

    Correct this if I’m wrong.

    While I think the charities commission and probably the Inland Revenue and the fraud squad should look into TERI Europe, it would be best no to claim TERI main body in India in non-profit. They are clearly involved in some very commercial realations.

  65. “Willis Eschenbach (22:38:32) :
    The Basic Water Requirement is generally given as 25 litres per person per day. Since the golf course is using 300,000 gallons per day, that works out to enough water to supply 50,000 people …”

    Willis. I am a golf course architect so I do know a little about irrigation requirements for golf courses. In peak summer conditions I would expect an 18 hole golf course to need around 1 million litres of water for irrigation (not necessarily potable, could have salinity up to 2 to 3,000 parts per million). That would equate to around 265,000 gallons. However, looking on the aerial photo on Google the course is only a 6 hole course so I would expect therefore that the max irrigation need per day would be around 90,000 gallons. And of course that is peak daily demand and there would be many days in the wet season where no irrigation would be needed given that it would be raining. Hope this helps.

  66. http://www.teriin.org/about/AnnualReport_08_09.pdf

    The “financial summary” of the TERI annual report consists of just two pie charts , marked in percentage rather than actual amounts. More strange accounting practices. (Maybe this is how accounts are submitted in India ?)

    However, another page fleshes this out stating a total income of 21m USD
    http://www.teriin.org/facts_about_teri.php

    With 40% put down as “travel” I shudder to think of the “carbon fooTprint”

    Does the absence of the word profit in “financial summary” summary indicate it is a non-profit organisation?

    Oddly nothing on their website seems to make any mention of this.

    Certainly TERI Europe having submitted simplified accounts on the basis that they have income of less than 10k GBP is laughable.

  67. Having had a very conservative upbringing I have to be careful in my trust, having meet Dr. Pachauri on 3 occasions, my first impression was that he has no mirrors in his house, after listening to him speak, I was not impressed, he says what he thinks you want to hear, and on one occasion I heard him give 2 conflicting opinions to 2 different people, I would say that if one was interested in the workings of this man, a very close examination of his education would probably be for him, a disaster, even today, with money, you can buy a medical doctors degree in India, just ask any Englishman they have ‘suffered’ in past years from quack Indian doctors.

  68. A couple points:

    a. I have it from a good authority that all the water in question is Himilayan snow melt and NOT local water. (One source even suggested it is trucked in at very great personal expense to Mr. P from the Chinese side of the great mountain range; however he would not elaborate.)

    2. Mr P is only doing what great men have always done: paying themselves and their friends first. Don’t they deserve to?

    III. If the Indian Government -which knows and sees all– thinks Mr P’s illegal little 9-hole country club is OK, why should americans and the lower caste Indian people be upset? That’s the way the Raj did it.

    d. Everyone knows that there are a few whacko newspaper owners in every country who just try to stir up civil unrest; respectable, mainstream media would never touch such a story. Consider the source.

  69. Rajenda Pachauri is no different from any rockstar/moviestar/superstar………..Al Gore type figure.

    If you look into each IPCC member, they are no different. Some may do a small triffle thing for publicity but on the whole they waste like we do.
    Some shadier than others in the political arena or wherever some people can get away with “favorable activities”.

    If you strip down science, there is a huge pile in the middle.

  70. Harvey,

    Not sure if you’re reading this far down the thread, but anyway. Yes WUWT calling Pachauri “dim witted” sounds like a personal attack. I think it is anyway. (At least WUWT put in a link to the quote for which they accuse him of being dim witted.)

    Now, if a court judge said, in effect, “what’s wrong with growing cannabis anyway? after all, didn’t Sherlock Holmes also do drugs?”

    What would you say about that judge? What would you think about his judgments?

    PS. yes there really was a judge who said that.

  71. Neil Crafter (04:05:51) : FYI…

    From the article…But with the golf course and environs requiring up to 300,000 gallons a day during the summer to keep the lush greenery in condition (pictured above),

  72. Memory Vault (01:41:31) :

    What got snipped? That was a very powerful comment up to that point. Very powerful, indeed, well communicated and likely true. One more close together group of larger volcanic eruptions and it would be a disaster. The food crisis and riots of the 2 years ago seem to have become a faded memory.

    What did the UN do with food donated to them? Sold it and profited off the crisis, exploiting the situation. Keep up the good work, MV, this world desperately needs responsible honest leadership and accountability. Not criminal doings.

    Maybe some leaders look at this blog, but I for one send them powerful letters formulated with ideas that often are from what I read here. Its time to demand better leadership.

  73. It is repetitious at this point, but I want to reiterate for Harvey. Most of the global warming debate is politics, all of Pachuari’s job is politics, and therefore, it is appropriate to comment on how he handles his politics and his life.

    I am torn between him needing to go, and staying because he is so damaging to his own cause. At this point I think he needs to go. He is not damaging enough to his own cause if he stays–too many people think too highly of him–the media, etc.–the damaging facts don’t seem to be making it out. Maybe they would hit the mainstream if he went.

  74. harvey (21:04:42) :

    Harv, I have to assume that english is not your first language, so I can try to interpret your fairly incomprehensible post and try to help you out.

    Just read the posts (or have someone translate them for you) and try to understand what the discussion is about.

    [snip]

    Best regards,

    Jack

  75. I see we are attacked for attacking Pachauri. No one is attacking him. We are just publicising incidents where his behavior attacks his sermons.

    Religion

    More than 160 million people in India are considered “Untouchable”—people tainted by their birth into a caste system that deems them impure, less than human.

    Human rights abuses against these people, known as Dalits, are legion. A random sampling of headlines in mainstream Indian newspapers tells their story: “Dalit boy beaten to death for plucking flowers”; “Dalit tortured by cops for three days”; “Dalit ‘witch’ paraded naked in Bihar”; “Dalit killed in lock-up at Kurnool”; “7 Dalits burnt alive in caste clash”; “5 Dalits lynched in Haryana”; “Dalit woman gang-raped, paraded naked”; “Police egged on mob to lynch Dalits”.

    Global citizen eco friendly and other expressions tell us greenie weenies put on a face to please their adherants. It appears Pachauri really considers himself superior to most. It will come back and haunt him

    Since I have been convinced most global warming claims are false and fabricated, I in no way support pollution. I have always supported conservation. In fact an urban lifestyle is more wastefull than a rural sustainable one. I can see a water tax for high consumption that is not raising crops. India raises a lot of food eaten by monkeys, rats and cows. They also have rats hijacking the water supply apparently. (I play golf and enjoy yachtracing)

  76. OT: “Contrails”
    Yesterday and today the weather conditions have really made contrails stand out. In fact they’re about the only thing in the blue blue sky. They’re all over.

    Can’t imagine that they have no impact. Seems Spencer at UAH or someone at the IPCC should have said something about them. All that “stuff” must be doing something to the weather. Haven’t the number of aircraft increased in the past 30-40 years? Might they be “spikeing” the CO2 and temps up there?:-)

  77. There seems to be a relationship between the stature of someone in the AGW promotion community and their use of natural resources.
    Think of Gore and his utility bills and need for private jets. Now, his pal needs a golf course, big home, private cars and of course, private jets.
    And they have so much else in common:
    Nobel Peace prize, neither are climate scientists, both promote things for tax payers to do that make them personal money, neither can debate what they claim to understand so well, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

  78. For those who feel guilt in attacking Pachauri, let me assure you – you are not aware of Pachauri and his organization TERI’s track record of environmental destruction.

    Let me give you a hint. Use Google, and look for

    Pachauri and Commonwealth Games
    Pachauri and Murdeshwar Dam

    Who is attacking the man? The attack is on his politics – his interface with the rest of the word. The tentacles of TERI reach to the furthest corners of India.

    Whatever he might be, he is NOT dim-witted. He does OK.

    For the curious-minded:

    http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/suzlon-bollywood/

  79. Pascvaks (04:58:33) :

    A couple points:

    a. I have it from a good authority that all the water in question is Himilayan snow melt and NOT local water.

    ****************************************

    Yes, of course, this explains perfectly why Pachuri had such a hard time believing that the IPCC’s 2035 expiration date on the glaciers was wrong.

  80. And there’s more:

    In 2005, Pachauri helped set up set up GloriOil, a Texas firm specialising in technology which allows the last remaining reserves to be extracted from oilfields otherwise at the end of their useful life.
    ———

    “He is an internationally recognized figure in energy and sustainable development, having served on numerous boards and committees including Director of the Oil and Natural Gas Company of India; Director of the Indian Oil Corporation Limited;…
    Source: http://www.glorioil.com/advisors.htm

    “Our chemical lab in Houston is state of the art, custom built for purpose with one goal in mind – to supply the US oil industry with world class biotechnology to increase oil recovery from mature fields.
    Source: http://www.glorioil.com/technology.htm

    “Our research facility in India focuses primarily on long term R&D projects such as heavy oil degradation, methane biogeneration from coal beds, and other initiatives.”
    Source: http://www.glorioil.com/company.htm

    As the old saying goes: “Do as I say, don’t do as I do.”

  81. “harvey (21:04:42) :

    Forget these personal attacks Anthony.
    Or some day they will come back and haunt you.
    Or do you enjoy destroying yet another persons life and career?”

    Oh please, Harvey… are you serious? It is Pachauri who is destroying Pachauri’s career.

  82. Sorry it’s a bit off topic, but does anyone remember Mr McIntyre’s expedition to Almagre in 2007? He gathered some tree core data and was going to publish a piece. Someone is now asking me for this – does anyone know if anything was published, and if so where?

    Thanks….

  83. harvey (20:13:20) :
    “Right, its all about the science….”

    First of all have you looked at WUWT sub-title:
    “Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts”

    You may not find it puzzling how a man who preaches us to go green excersices this by going on the green [pun intended]. How can the public believe his climate change warnings when he doesn’t carry out what he preaches? The public is entitled to be sceptical about the science because if he can behave in this way then maybe Pachauri doesn’t believe in AGW and that just maybe AGW is a pack of lies.

  84. “His personal life is hypocritical of what he preaches to the rest of the world”

    Sounds like he plays on the same golf course as Al Gore!

  85. there is a saying related to perjury:

    “Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus” (False in one thing, false in all}

    And if hypocrisy is not falsehood what is?

  86. I think that it is fair to say that most people take advantage of the position that they find themselves in. I recall a true story of a parent who was asked (why his son had stolen some pens from a local shop) if he knew why his son would do such a thing. He replied that he was amazed that his son had stolen the pens because all that he had to do was to ask his father and he would have got him some pens from work.
    I am not justifying the actions of the head of th IPCC because in my opinion he is not sincere and his stated views are not those by which he lives.

  87. I have no sympathy for Pachauri whatsoever, but I don’t understand the obsessing over this silly porn novel he wrote. This has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING and it’s just stupid to keep pointing at it as though it’s further proof of his inability to run the IPCC.

    There’s more than enough proof of that now. The book obsession is childish and idiotic.

  88. Ed Murphy

    All that was snipped was the final sentence, and in the grander scheme of things, it is not important.

    I started writing about this stuff in the 1980’s in my newsletter, the “Inside News”, generally credited with effectively killing the introduction of an ID card down here in OZ in 1986.

    I wrote several articles on the climate debate back then, mostly about the prime movers and shakers behind it, and their motives. In 1990 these articles were published in a book, “The Green Hoax Effect”, which was something of a best-seller down here.

    So I can reasonably say I have been at this since a lot of the people here were still at school, and while I don’t claim to understand even half the “science”, I reckon after 25 years I know the people pulling the strings at least as well as anyone commenting here.

    And while I can live with the censorship, it is sad to realise that the “good guys” (our side) are still losing, and will ultimately lose, for no other reason than a disbelief that the people on the “other” side could be, for wont of better words, “that evil”.

    Unfortunately, they are.

  89. Neil Crafter,

    Looking at the image shows you two very distinct things. The vast majority of the greenery has been introduced to the area as the uncultivated shows no grasses but sparse bushes of which we no nothing(huge difference between a creosote bush and a raspberry bush no?) and is something any greens keeper would have noted immediately. The second is larger homes with what appear to be landscaped yards and inground swimming pools which takes the immediate uncultivated areas off of being community pasture which would indeed be under the strain of semi seasonal grazing.

    Overall the area appears to be semi-arid and as such the evaporation rate would be enormous. Does not your “keeping up the green” need to account for just how dry those winds are? If not I can show you golf courses in Canada which require your magic methods of constant and consistent water requirements.

  90. Terry (23:58:57) :
    Don’t forget this classic from the good Dr.

    Q: What have you done personally to shrink your carbon footprint?

    A: I’ve become a vegetarian. I try to minimize the use of cars. Where I’ve failed is my impact with regard to air travel. I tell people I was born a Hindu who believes in reincarnation.

    ————
    Am I missing something? I thought Hindus were vegetarian or was he a meat eating Hindu who decided to become a vegetarian to reduce his carbon footprint or is he attempting to mislead people? Can someone help me out here?

    As for Harvey, tell me where the science is in “I tell people I was born a Hindu who believes in reincarnation“?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/03/pachauri-skeptics-are-flat-earthers/
    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/aug/03/opinion/chi-poi-pachauri_thinkaug03

  91. It’s worse than we thought.

    Just northwest of there:
    DLF Golf Course, Sector 42, DLF City Phase V, Gurgaon, Haryana, India

    Sure looks nice.

    Club Overview

    The golf course designed by Arnold Palmer is an 18-hole championship layout close to the dramatic Aravali mountain range. The course is India’s premier facility and has hosted several international PGA events including the Johnnie Walker Classic.

    Intricately landscaped greens and fairways have been set amidst the flowers, streams, and thousands of trees that shelter the course from the hustle and bustle of the nearby city of New Delhi.

    See the DLF Golf and Country Club website. Beautiful!

    So why don’t the TERI people just drive up the road to play golf, at an even nicer world-class course?

  92. Steve Koch (23:34:57) :

    Pachauri is the gift that keeps giving. He’s hurting the AGW movement by putting a face on the venal, corrupt, incompetent side of AGW.

    ————–

    Seriously, is there any other side to the IPCC?

  93. There’s a bizarre comment by Rajendra Pachauri in his talk at the World Social Sciences Forum in Bergen in June 2009 here:

    http://www.unesco.org/ngo/issc/3_activities/3_worldforum_audio.html#CanSciSavUs

    About 24 min into the recording Pachauri speaks about the dangers of sea level rise for low lying areas. He reports that in 1997 he attended a meeting in the Maldives, and he was told by the then president of the Maldives ‘the place where you are holding this meeting today, 10 years ago was under a foot and a half of water’.

    So what is he saying? That the sign of sea level rise is irrelevant? :-)

  94. It’s not only Pachauri,but most of the elites saying: “Hand over your 4×4 !””Enjoy your mountains covered with wind turbines,Killing eagles,and Geese.”No water for your roses!” (roses are a bad thing too!) “No,you can’t have that trip to Hawaii-carbon foot print you know.”
    As the lot of them,Pachauri,Algore,Ban Kyi Moon,Pelosi and crew, Travolta (in the family 707) et. al. tell US how to live green. Oh,and James Hansen how does he travel acros sthe globe to tell US our civilization is evil? Clipper Ship?
    Conestoga? Mule Team?
    Thank you Anthony, for this Forum….

  95. Anthony, replying to harvey (21:20:27):
    The IPCC science is flawed because the leader hasn’t enough personal integrity to correct such things, even when made known. He’s all about the money, not the science. – A

    The leader and his cohorts are despicable, no doubt, but that’s not what distorts the IPCC science. The IPCC was founded to promote and legitimize a political agenda, for which the ’emergency’ of ‘climate change’ (aka ‘global warming’) was the excuse. Any time science is chained to the service of a predetermined conclusion, it will be distorted.

    /Mr Lynn

  96. Harvey’s complaints about Anthony pointing out substantive problems and fundamental contradictions in the long list of public and private disasters Pachauri is associated with; is akin to someone back in 1920’s Chicago complaining that it’s not fair or appropriate to impune the motives and character of mob boss Al Capone, by calling him a ganster and a source of much of the corruption that plagued the local society of that day.

    Give me a break (I guess Harvey was the designated troll for today).

    While as others have noted it has gotten to where from a Machiavellian point of view having Pachauri stay in office may have its advantages, the fact that after everything that has come out he IS still in office; tells us how fanatically attached the AGW crowd and their political servants are to the core tenants of their dogma, and to those who have been designated as the leading prophets of their religion (ruthlessly stamp out all heretics).
    For people with that closed and rigid perspective, once fundamental positions have been staked out all subsequent actions become efforts to justify and support the original positions; and the leaders who proposed them. About as anti-science as you can get.

    Meanwhile, some of the serious news outlets in the U.S. like FoxNews, IBD, and the WSJ; along with the U.K. and Indian print media; continue to get the story out on the AGW scam. One of many recent pieces worth noting:

    George Will with a good piece today on RCP about Pachauri: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/02/21/blinded_by_science_104494.html

    And another on what is a HUGE scandal in its own right:
    After everything that has come out, the EPA STILL sez that the ”science is settled”. See:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/president/ci.EPA%2C+Countering+Critics+of+Greenhouse+Gas+Findings%2C+Says+%27Science+Is+Settled%27.opinionPrint

    Major attaboy to the Attorney General of Virginia for taking the EPA to court on the travesty of their endangerment finding. I believe Texas is looking at doing the same thing. Let’s hope justice prevails in the end. . . .

  97. >> Pascvaks (05:51:03) :

    OT: “Contrails”
    Yesterday and today the weather conditions have really made contrails stand out. In fact they’re about the only thing in the blue blue sky. They’re all over.

    Can’t imagine that they have no impact. <<

    Stand outside and wait for a contrail to pass between you and the sun. What fraction of a day (days?) did you have to wait? Now see if you feel any cooler while the contrail blocks some of the sunlight. After performing this experiment, I think you'll agree that contrails are insignificant to the global temperature.

  98. It is not just about science. These days it is about corrupt science. And while TERI (formerly TATA Energy Research Inst) is run by a Board of Directors, their funding comes from grants both public and private. Mr. Pachauri is their Director General.

    “In November 2008, they [TERI] were successful, being awarded a $500.000 grant for “research, analysis and training on water-related security and humanitarian challenges to South Asia posed by melting Himalaya glaciers.” This helped Dr Pachauri set up the TERI Glaciology team, putting at its head now professor Syed Iqbal Hasnain.” Telegraph

    http://xrl.in/4l0y

    There is however, no need to hang him on his novels and poetry – both unrelated to his work with public environmental issues.

  99. OT: Oops – hit the button too quick… I found this while browsing for a 4×4 upgrade. These are coming back in style in a big way:

    For Sale: Global Warming Emergency Response Vehicle

    Nice machine – can clear the Gore Effect at 65 TONS per minute!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Unimog-Snowblower-Truck-4-WD-Mercedes-no-snow-plow_W0QQitemZ220557376928QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335a3e7da0

    Moderator – feel free to delete previous post – Thanks!

  100. OT,

    CBBC, (childrens BBC) newsround,

    What is global warming?
    Global warming is the rise in temperature of the earth’s atmosphere.

    It’s said that by the time a baby born today is 80 years old, the world will be 6 and a half degrees warmer than it is now.

    What can I do?

    Put a brick in a plastic bag into your toilet cistern, then the toilet will use less water each time you flush. Don’t worry that’s plenty of water to get rid of…

    Use paper on both sides.

  101. The food riots, or so-called, a couple of years back were caused mostly by media-driven fears. One spark is all it takes to send mostly illiterate and poor people on a riot even when the situation they face isn’t as dire as the media projects.

    Michael Crichton had something to say about this with regards to Chernobyl. Most of the deaths that occurred in the aftermath of the famous disaster had nothing to do with the explosion of the reactor and more to do with depression and suicide related deaths because Ukrainians were being made to believe they had no future (they would all have cancer and their children would be born with five heads).

    It’s time for media reform. Well overdue, sorry.

  102. Talk to the ‘science’?

    The science is patchy, marginal and rudimentary.

    The science is promoted, funded, evaluated and used in a single sided manner by a constituency that has a strong vested interest in gaining a patina of credibility, from such single sided consideration.

    It is as ethical and objective as pharmaceutical companies paying physicians to carry out efficacy trials on patent medicine.

  103. This is pretty similar to the green position in Las Vegas. Lack of water = proof of climate change.

    Of course, when someone happens to point out the inconvenient truth, Harvey gets his knickers in a knot. Sad day for you Harvey, water usage IS a manmade problem, but not indicative of climate change. In this case it is that Pachauri speaks from both sides of his mouth, in Las Vegas, it is the obscene water usage by casinos and resorts. In both cases, water management is the issue.

  104. Now, does Pachy fertilize his golf course with BS about C02, or does he fertilize by expelling C02 to drive his vocal cords to make noise about the BS?

  105. The King is only the King because everyone else agrees that he is.

    “Dr.” Pachauri, Al Gore and their cohorts have used failed junk science to foist a scam on the gullible public. The intent of their scam is to transfer power and billions of dollars from the fools into their control. The long term effect of their scam would have been to destroy the economy of the industrialized nations with no benefit to anyone except the Al Gores and “Dr.” Pachauris of this world.

    This is not about science. It is about money and power and the future of our children.

    In that light, you have to show that the King is only a buffoon. Otherwise, there will always be fools that believe in AGW just as children believe in the Tooth Fairy.

    Fortunately, they are making sooooo easy!

    Regards,

    Steamboat Jack

    PS
    Pascvaks (05:51:03) :
    Poor Jimmy Carter cancelled the Super Sonic Transport program in part because the con trails would reflect light into space and contribute to GLOBAL COOLING. That was the apocalypse du jour before Y2K and AGW. So yes, it must be a proven fact that con trails counter AGW because Jimmy Carter said so!

  106. Raving, I have had the same feelings about my past related to being a research Audiologist. I find myself pausing to think before referring to that career. The idea that I once was in the Ivory Tower is beginning to feel like a dirty memory. And as a teacher, I wonder how we will be able to encourage boys and girls to pursue being a scientist when we have very little to show for its current integrity.

  107. Dodgy Geezer (06:46:40) :

    Sorry it’s a bit off topic, but does anyone remember Mr McIntyre’s expedition to Almagre in 2007? He gathered some tree core data and was going to publish a piece. Someone is now asking me for this – does anyone know if anything was published, and if so where?

    Thanks….
    *******************
    Dodgy Geezer-
    The power of google and other searches is just amazing. I used “Mr McIntyre’s expedition to Almagre” from your posting in google and quickly found:
    http://alt.nntp2http.com/global-warming/2007/10/7d6b3aa946a94ad859667fa58ffba8bf.html

    With a little more searching you can probably find McIntyre’s original article.

    IanM

  108. Memory Vault (07:16:53) :

    “…it is sad to realise that the “good guys” (our side) are still losing, and will ultimately lose…”

    IF we get a cooling phase that lasts out to 3 decades then I predict AGW will come under increasing attack, people will become increasingly sceptical and climate scientists will increasingly jump ship and the consensus will crumble. So we may win in the end; it’s just going to be a long drawn out victory as it will depend on the weather over time. We climate sceptics have two key factors on our side — the truth, and the weather

  109. A model sustainable habitat based on new and clean technologies
    http://www.teriin.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32
    from the page:

    RETREAT, a residential training facility for executives, is designed to be self-sufficient, and independent of any external power supply.

    Waste-water recycling
    The World Health Organization recommends that for healthy living, each person needs 135 litres of water a day. This figure includes water for drinking, cooking, washing, laundry, and so on. RETREAT meets these requirements but ensures that water is used more effectively by using an efficient flushing system, aerated taps that deliver water at pre-set rates, and a centralized laundry.

    Waste water is recycled by the ‘root zone’ techniques, in which the roots of plants with special capabilities are used to clean the water, which is then used for irrigation.

    Sewage is collected initially in a settling tank (an Imhoff tank) that allows sludge to settle to the bottom. Part of the waste is decomposed at this stage by microbes. Next, the water is passed through a bed of soil, which also supports specially selected reeds well adapted to waterlogged soils. The roots of these plants act as living filters: the plant roots absorb and remove many of the toxic substances from waste water. This combination of microbes and plants can make even very dirty sewage water clean enough to be used for irrigation and even a shower.

  110. mikelorrey (23:37:27) :
    ‘Sure, but he was PROUD of THAT… its not like we exposed any deep dark hidden secret, like…OMG! Overwatered Golf Course!!!’

    I can’t understand why it is not a full 18 holer.
    Doug

  111. This hypocrisy is not only with Pachauri, but runs right through all the warmists, elitists, Hollywood phonies and the Cap and Trade politicians.

  112. “Rob (08:04:12) :
    […]
    Put a brick in a plastic bag into your toilet cistern, then the toilet will use less water each time you flush. Don’t worry that’s plenty of water to get rid of…”

    Be careful, though:

    http://www.essortment.com/home/plumbingtipsho_sfat.htm

    “9. A common urban myth of toilets is that a brick placed in the bowl will save you water by decreasing the amount used per flush. While it’s not exactly a lie, there’s another side that hasn’t been so widely circulated. The brick crumbles away over time and can block the flow of water into and out of the toilet bowl, ultimately ruining it. The only remedy for such clogging is to replace the toilet altogether. ”

    Maybe the BBC’s pension fund owns a plumbing business too….

  113. Just found this on Pachauri’s website:

    “In the past, societies have failed right from the days of the Roman Empire to the Mayan civilisation largely because they neglected the importance of conserving precious natural resources such as water and soil.”

    “Sadly, India’s major river systems are all dead, incapable of supporting any life, and actually lethal sources of disease.
    ….
    In towns and cities there is substantial wastage in transportation of water, and in the domestic, industrial and commercial sectors.”

    http://www.rkpachauri.org/articles.php?sid=574
    http://www.rkpachauri.org/articles.php?sid=569
    _________
    Just found this on the TERI website:

    “The multi-disciplinary nature of the division facilitates an integrated approach, enabling it to provide comprehensive and sustainable solution to scientific queries for efficient management of water resources both in present and in the future.”

    http://www.teriin.org/index.php?option=com_division&task=view_div&id=25

  114. Cool, er, hot, steamy sex, lots of hot steamy sex, with Shirley MacLaine as well… raising the heat factor to another level…

    Did Shirley MacLaine agree to have her name used in this book? Or was this just the Shirley MacLaine. – You know, the one who lives in Delhi.
    Doug

  115. pascvaks and Tom:

    OT: “Contrails”
    Yesterday and today the weather conditions have really made contrails stand out. In fact they’re about the only thing in the blue blue sky. They’re all over.

    Can’t imagine that they have no impact. Seems Spencer at UAH or someone at the IPCC should have said something about them. All that “stuff” must be doing something to the weather. Haven’t the number of aircraft increased in the past 30-40 years? Might they be “spikeing” the CO2 and temps up there?:-)

    Contrails, and especially contrail events, do have a significant effect on temperatures.

    I am travelling now, and I don’t have my references, but several papers have been published on this, with the most significant paper based on data around the weather before and after 9-11.

    As I recall, there was also a blog that showed a contrail event forming over the entire UK, from contrails over the North Sea. Perhaps Anthony’s?

    There has been a call from some groups, to base jet altitude on time of day. Putting planes higher during the day, would reflect heat; and lower at night, would allow heat to escape.

    Of course, this would use more fuel…..

  116. Darrell (07:12:15) :
    ‘……I don’t understand the obsessing over this silly porn novel he wrote. This has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING and it’s just stupid to keep pointing at it as though it’s further proof of his inability to run the IPCC.
    There’s more than enough proof of that now. The book obsession is childish and idiotic.’
    Aw Darrell – stop spoiling our fun.

  117. Sharma and Haub estimate the larger Delhi Population was about 21.5 million in 2007. At the 4.7%/year growth, I assume the current 2010 population is about 10% or 2 million higher or about 23.5 million.

    The water demand of 800 million gallons/day leaves only about 34 gallon/day per person average. Paucharia’s golf course water use of about 300,000 gallons/day nominally uses the water allocation of 8,800 people. The rich illegally paying to waste the water of the poor!

    This is just a small example of north India’s water deficit. See:

    Is Northwestern India’s Breadbasket Running Out of Water?

    “A new study using satellite data suggests the region is using more groundwater than is being replenished by rainfall.
    The heartland of last century’s Green Revolution lost 109 cubic kilometers of water from its Indus River plain aquifer between August 2002 and October 2008. . . .
    “By our estimates, the water table is declining at a rate of one foot per year averaged over the Indian states of Rajasthan, Punjab and Haryana, including the national capital territory of Delhi,” an area in northwestern India that covers more than 438,000 square kilometers, says NASA hydrologist Matthew Rodell, lead author of the paper.

    Paucharia has been crying “wolf” that the Himalayan glaciers will melt by 2035. Instead, he should deal with the growing catastrophe that north India is will inevitably lead to a famine unless dealt with.

    In 1971, Solar pioneers Aden and Margorie Meinel projected that providing solar thermal power for the USA could provide 2/3rds of the fresh water needed by cooling the solar systems. See Power for the People, McDonnell-Douglas Corporation, 1971, 280 pp. *LOC# TJ810.M44

    In addition to increasing rainwater harvesting, the water shortage in north India could be solved by large scale solar seawater desalination and fresh water delivery. Now there is a positive productive challenge!

  118. “Am I missing something? I thought Hindus were vegetarian or was he a meat eating Hindu who decided to become a vegetarian to reduce his carbon footprint or is he attempting to mislead people? ”

    There are no dietary laws in classical Hinduism, only lesser sects like Jainism. The most ancient forms of Hindu beliefs found in the Vedas are very much into meat eating with a whole sermon dedicated to making horse broth.

    Reincarnation does not belong to the most ancient schools either (They favoured the idea that we are one universal soul but ignorant of it because of our physical individuality). Reincarnation beliefs solidified roughly around the time of Alexander the Great from a collision of Greek and Bactrian schools of philosophy, then became slowly manifest in some Upanishads and Buddhist doctrine.

    There are older example of belief in reincarnation, in prehistoric Egypt during the Naqada periods. We can see from the burial rituals that the Egyptians believed that the soul would journey like the Sun to the West and be reborn again like the Sun for a new day in a new life.

  119. For Pachauri, of “green sustainable development”, this golf course is no better than putting a golf course in Death Valley and calling it, “green sustainable development”.

    Now, the golf course might be fun and have a few enjoyable holes.

    But Pachauri’s golf course stands as a monument to his hypocrisy.

  120. “The roots of these plants act as living filters: the plant roots absorb and remove many of the toxic substances from waste water.”

    What is done with these plants, particularly ones having absorbed large quantities of heavy metals?

  121. Jimbo (07:22:25) :

    Good questions, Jimbo. Perhaps I can help. Much like Christianity, Hinduism is not just one religion but rather a wide range of denominations, sects and cults with varying beliefs and practices. In short form, some Hindus are meat eaters, some are not. For most, the cow is held sacred and is not eaten, but that is not an absolute prohibition. Most Hindus believe in reincarnation, that you are born and re-born in a seemingly endless cycle of lives until you have purged yourself of Karma and can escape the cycle. Whereas most Westerners would consider the prospect of reincarnation very appealing (Hey, you mean I can live again? Kool!) Hindus do not. It is a source of existential misery. Eternity does not consist of an individual communing with his God at the end of a virtuous life or suffering eternal damnation for mortal sins, rather all the souls of the earth, once they’ve been liberated from the cycle of re-birth and re-death, will join the one-ness that is the true essence of all reality, like an individual rain drop falling into the sea: as a rain drop it has individuality, but once it has joined the sea its individuality is lost but the essence remains. Does a rain drop mourn that loss?

    Karma is a doctrine of ethics. Bad deeds have consequences for your future lives and you carry that debt until it is purged. Some attempt to purge it with good deeds, others through ritual and sacrifice. Pachauri is suggesting that he will purge his debt with asceticism and austerity. Pachauri is also suggesting that his willingness to shoulder this debt is a form of virtue and nobility. At the risk of sounding blasphemous, as Jesus suffered death to save mankind, so Pachauri will suffer life for that same cause.

    As for finding the science in his declaration of Hindu faith, keep in mind that all of us act on our perception of what is real and not real and our religions define those perceptions. Facts do not speak for themselves, they are organized into theories or explanations and are in turn filtered through cultural lenses that define what is possible and what is not, what is real and what is not. Science finally and ultimately rests on unproveable assumptions and leaps of faith.

  122. Anthony

    The second author is me. This was my Master’s research thesis (Oregon State University), reworked for publication in the journal mentioned below. The research topic came from Fausti (a central figure in the area of early detection of ototoxic hearing loss), Frey was tremendously helpful in teaching me the ropes of research, and Mitchell was added to help us write a journal worthy submission.

    In my opinion, it was Mitchell’s assistance in re-interpreting the research results that led to the research being published. He was such an encouragement to me in a very male-dominated place (he called my master’s research project a “gold mine”). Had I the courage to stay in the dog-eat-dog environment I would have. Unfortunately the experience left me very jaded.

    The machinations of who gets cited and in what order is a major issue in research. The second issue is the process of gaining access to patients. I was working on more than one research project for the clinic. In general each medical facility granted approval of a study before allowing access to patients. Many studies were closely related and benefited from using the same subjects in the different studies. At the time, this issue lived in the grey area of pre-medical privacy rules and regulations. It left me very nervous about some of the projects I was assigned to and was one of the reasons I hit the road. The now very strict regulations would have made my path much clearer and on more solid footing, so much so that I can easily see myself still being there had that been the case.

    The research clinic continues to produce good research that has had a positive affect on hearing loss prevention and early detection. I just could not stand the heat, so I left the kitchen.

    1991: Fausti S A; Gray P S; Frey R H; Mitchell C R
    Rise time and center-frequency effects on auditory brainstem responses to high-frequency tone bursts.
    Journal of the American Academy of Audiology 1991;2(1):24-31.

    • Pamela – I suffer from a profound Ototoxic induced sensory-neural hearing loss due to Tetracycline.

      Do you still keep your hand in audiology?

  123. Ref – Tom_R (07:55:37) :
    “>> Pascvaks (05:51:03) :
    OT: “Contrails””
    ___________________________
    I’ll bet you told your kids there was no Santa when they graduated from college too. You real mean;-(

    Ref – mike Smith (08:58:16) :
    “Hey: Pascvaks (05:51:03) :”
    _____________________
    Shhh… I know, but maybe the Nobel Committee hasn’t read it and I’ll get ‘gored” like Big Al.

    Ref – Pamela Gray (09:09:22) :
    “Raving, I…”
    _____________________
    Stop and smell the roses. Hang in there!

    Ref – Tom in Texas (10:12:42) :
    @ Pascvaks (04:58:33)
    “Interesting bullet/numbering system: a, 2, III, d.”
    __________________________
    I think I saw it once on a U.N. document. Maybe it was DOD:-)

    Ref – Les Johnson (10:24:16) :
    pascvaks and Tom:
    ____________________________
    Maybe we’ll get a Nobel? Oh! You made my day. Do they give you a check for Dollars or Euros?

  124. John R Walker (02:24:24)

    A paragraph from the article you cited.

    “So strong is his love for cricket that his colleagues recall the time the Nobel Winner took a break during a seminar in New York and flew to Delhi over the weekend to attend a practice session for a match before flying back. Again, he flew in for a day just to play at that match.”

    The tone seems to be that they thought this an admirable thing to do!

    I live a very ‘sustainable’ life, grow my own vegetables and fruit, have no central heating and so on due to the fact I have very little money.

    If these hyperhypocrites (thank you mr.artday!) thought for one minute we were in danger of burning up from AGW they would be too terrified to use all that jet fuel, water electricity etc.

    God, it does make me CROSS…….

  125. Cisplatin, gentamycin, and streptomycin along with any blood pressure regulating substance (such as furosamide) taken together is a no brainer for hearing loss. Many vets were given these combinations, and I do mean all three as in chemo, antibiotic, and blood pressure med that completely destroyed their hearing. My mother had chronic antibiotic resistant infections and suffered hearing loss from streptomycin (she had chronic kidney-related infections) as a young teenager. She then suffered from otosclerosis as an adult that dampened the rest of her hearing. She was the main reason I went into the field in the first place and wanted to study drugs that could damage kidneys and hearing.

    6 months ago I told my aunt to go see a doctor right away because she had ringing in one ear and she said she couldn’t hear as well out of that ear. My guess was a small non-malignant tumor pressing on her auditory nerve, a rather common slow growing tumor that is often left in place if discovered late in life. She called me last month and said they found the tumor right where I said it would be.

    That is to say, though I don’t practice now, I still read about it and try to keep up on recent developments.

    The drug you were on can cause kidney damage if used passed its expiration date. Any drug that can do that can also have a negative impact on hearing (our kidneys and inner ear are related physiologically). There are ways to detect early hearing loss before you go deaf and there is evidence that high-frequency hearing loss (at frequencies 8k and above) is a very early sign of possible kidney damage. I take it you were not monitored with frequent high-frequency hearing tests while on the drug. How are your kidneys?

  126. “David (05:12:55) :
    Neil Crafter (04:05:51) : FYI…

    From the article…But with the golf course and environs requiring up to 300,000 gallons a day during the summer to keep the lush greenery in condition (pictured above),”

    Thankyou, I did read that in the article, which is why I made my post in the first place!! I think you will find that figure is the journalist’s guess as to how much water is used by the golf course, I seriously doubt they would have the actual figures. My point was that the actual volume used would be less than a third of that. I am not defending Pachauri or his golf course, just putting a few facts out there for consideration. And do we know whether it is potable water that is irrigating the golf course? or is this just another guess? And golf courses do recharge the groundwater.

  127. I should add that men (and females like me) with one-sided hearing loss and/or ringing who have also used long-barrel rifles will find that they have a loss on their left side but not as much on the right side. At first you might think this is weird since the right ear is closer to the gun than the left. However, the right ear is shadowed away from the gun blast by being turned to the right shoulder, while the left ear gathers it up in full force. So if you shoot but hate to wear hearing protection (I don’t like them either but I wear them anyway), as least put one in the left ear and make sure you stuff it in there. With foam rubber hearing plugs, squeeze and role, squeeze and roll between your thumb and index finger tip, then put it in as far as it will go, cone end in first (and yes, I just spit my coffee out). If it works its way out rather quickly you didn’t put it in far enough or tight enough (spit, cough, cough).

    But still, any one-sided hearing loss should always be investigated. And anyone on chemo, blood pressure meds, and broad spectrum antibiotics (any combination or alone for some meds) should be getting regular hearing tests, preferably in the higher-frequency range if you still have ability to hear those frequencies. We lose our high-frequency ability as a normal process of aging.

  128. Daniel H (01:17:23) :
    “Can you provide a link to an article that outlines the strategies you’ve mentioned in relation to the Virginia vs EPA case?”

    They are not tipping their hand but are making broad based allegations.


    Petition for EPA to review:
    This is what most of the petitions are like, simply a request for reconsideration and will focus on authority to enact this regulation, standard stuff.

    Commonwealth of Virginia v. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency —
    Petition to Review of the Commonwealth

    http://www.oag.state.va.us/LEGAL_LEGIS/CourtFilings/Comm%20v%20EPA%20-%20Pet%20to%20Review%202_16_10.pdf


    Petition for EPA to prove Cause:
    This is the interesting one (the key is the addition of “& Cause”) , they are going question to the base data, methodologies, and the assumptions “attributing climate change to anthropogenic greenhouse gas (“GHG”) emissions” […that were…] “not subject to U.S. data quality and transparency standards and whose reports were prepared in total disregard to those standards”. Then it goes on to question the “scientific process”, have a read.

    Commonwealth of Virginia v. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency —
    Petition for Reconsideration of Endangerment & Cause

    http://www.oag.state.va.us/LEGAL_LEGIS/CourtFilings/Comm%20v%20EPA%20-%20Pet%20for%20Reconsideration%202_16_10.pdf

  129. Interesting that one commentator should be curious about what is to the east of the TERI Institute. Going west there are a number of other sites of interest including Sector 53… in fact visit these sector areas and click on some of the images.
    These are evidently industrial and business areas and it is also evideent that considerable investment has been made in landscaping and, of course, water use.
    Not the only one with quetionable water use?
    But, in some US states water is necessary to maintain a degree of fire resistance in the grasses and plantings. Does the same apply here?
    Anyway, golf courses are over the top, even in the UK with its abundant rain, golf courses do create some concern.
    Many depend on mains water supplies. If you want to bore a well then you need a ground abstraction licence. If you can get hold of an existing license then fine because new licenses are very difficult to obtain. But note, not just anyone can drill a bore hole and abstract water, nor pump watre from rivers.
    One would expect that if you live in an area with water shortages, then similar legislation would be necessary. Water is an important resource.

  130. “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science…

    I have supported you, and this site, for years.

    Passionately in my day-to-day life to the occasional alienation of my friends, to with available randy females.

    Anyhoo.

    You have done wonderful work which, together with luminaries like Steve McIntyre, has helped to save the world economy trillions of dollars and prevent, dare I say it, needless death due to lack of economic growth and resources.

    I am a fan.

    However, perhaps my lede about putting off “available women” (which is true — Global Warming makes a poor debate topic even and especially when the woman says its one of her favourite topics — by NO means assume she wishes to objectively discuss the science because she SAYS she wishes to objectively discuss the science) will have given away my hand.

    Anthony, it is absolute B.S., absolute NONSENSE to make hay over the fact that Pachauri wrote a book that — gasp — deals with sex.

    Oh no.

    Aside from the fact it is truly irrelevant to the point of absurdity, it simply goes to reveal American and/or religious prudishness.

    Okay, maybe it is “dirty”. Maybe there’s something really dirty about sex, and about thinking and writing about sex, that escapes me. Maybe it is just terrible for me to admit I’m a male and actually like sex, and good science, and really don’t see a strong relationship between the two anyhow.

    For you to assault this ineffective, corrupt man because he wrote a novel that has titties in it is just nuts.

    Grow up.

    P.S. Thanks for saving the planet.

  131. “He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted.”

    Right, its all about the science…

    I have supported you, and this site, for years.

    Passionately in my day-to-day life to the occasional alienation of my friends, to wit, available randy females.

    Anyhoo.

    You have done wonderful work which, together with luminaries like Steve McIntyre, has helped to save the world economy trillions of dollars and prevent, dare I say it, needless death due to lack of economic growth and resources.

    I am a fan.

    However, perhaps my lede about putting off “available women” (which is true — Global Warming makes a poor date topic even and especially when the woman says its one of her favourite topics — by NO means assume she wishes to objectively discuss the science because she SAYS she wishes to objectively discuss the science) will have given away my hand.

    Anthony, it is absolute B.S., absolute NONSENSE to make hay over the fact that Pachauri wrote a book that — gasp — deals with sex.

    Oh no.

    Aside from the fact it is truly irrelevant to the point of absurdity, it simply goes to reveal American and/or religious prudishness.

    Okay, maybe it is “dirty”. Maybe there’s something really dirty about sex, and about thinking and writing about sex, that escapes me. Maybe it is just terrible for me to admit I’m a male and actually like sex, and good science, and really don’t see a strong relationship between the two anyhow.

    For you to assault this ineffective, corrupt man because he wrote a novel that has titties in it is just nuts.

    Grow up.

    P.S. Thanks for saving the planet.

    REPLY: Even the best of friends and the dearest of family have differences in opinion. Not to worry. -A

  132. Pamela Gray (12:27:14) :

    Thank you! I’m one of those ‘left deaf right ok’ old military guys too. They never told me and I didn’t know until now how it probably happened. You made my day:-)

    Smell the roses yet?

  133. Pamela- ditto too for me,did lots of trap shooting in my younger days, then
    twenty eight years of aviation (Noise attenuating head sets are not that good.)
    Only med I’m on now is Lisonopril still shoot some but with good hearing protection…
    Thanks…

  134. It is admirable that the TERI facility is recycling their wastewater, however, whatever water they have left for irrigation is only a drop compared to the hundreds of thousands of gallons needed to keep their campus luxuriantly green.

    The plants used to filter wastewater can be used to produce methane for fuel and the remaining pulp can then be dried and burned. They should not be used for food or fodder because of the elevated levels of heavy metals

    The greens will only recharge groundwater if they are severely overwatering, which is doubtful.

    There are ways to significantly reduce the watering requirements for golf courses. Drought tolerant grasses can be used in the rough and fairways (some desert courses only have grass on the putting greens, some even use artificial turf), and sub-surface drip irrigation can be used under turf to reduce water use up to 90 percent.

    TERI could have applied some of these options when designing their 9-hole expansion, but I assume they preferred to convey a message of conspicuous consumption.

    And on a slightly off-topic note, the imposition of western sanitation solutions on water-stressed developing areas is inappropriate. As much as I enjoy a good flush toilet, it is the principal water user in most households. There are sanitary alternatives that use little or no water, and don’t stink up the house or neighborhood.

    Perhaps Dr. Pachauri could channel Gandhi and rake his own latrine?

  135. James F. Evans (10:49:35) :

    Now, the golf course might be fun and have a few enjoyable holes. But Pachauri’s golf course stands as a monument to his hypocrisy.

    Why not a miniature golf course? Those are more fun (especially if you’re a poor golfer).

    Jimbo (09:39:07) :

    IF we get a cooling phase that lasts out to 3 decades then I predict AGW will come under increasing attack, people will become increasingly sceptical and climate scientists will increasingly jump ship and the consensus will crumble.

    Three years will suffice to “turn the herd.”

    Steve Koch (23:34:57) :

    Pachauri is the gift that keeps giving. He’s hurting the AGW movement by putting a face on the venal, corrupt, incompetent side of AGW.

    I think many of them realize that already and for them this will be the last straw. Perhaps they will arrange a graceful exit for him in another UN post, or with a consultancy, or kick him upstairs, but I can’t see him hanging on much longer at this rate. He makes too easy a target for critics and thereby discredits the IPCC and its reports

    Top “digs”:

    Hu Duck Xing (08:44:18) :

    A 5 acre, nine hole golf course? What’s par? 18?
    ………..
    aMINO aCIDS iN mETEORITES (23:22:52) :

    Let them drink Perrier.
    …………
    Michele (23:23:50) :

    SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS –
    ………….
    Jon Jewett (08:56:26) :

    The King is only the King because everyone else agrees that he is. … In that light, you have to show that the King is only a buffoon.
    …………
    Memory Vault (07:16:53) :

    It is sad to realise that the “good guys” (our side) are still losing, and will ultimately lose, for no other reason than a disbelief that the people on the “other” side could be, for wont of better words, “that evil”. Unfortunately, they are.

  136. Jimbo

    You wrote
    “IF we get a cooling phase that lasts out to 3 decades then I predict AGW will come under increasing attack, people will become increasingly sceptical and climate scientists will increasingly jump ship and the consensus will crumble.”

    Please read my much earlier post (22.07.07) regarding what is, and has been happening in our schools for the past twenty years, and go have a look at the links.

    Truth is, the current crop of future “believers” have already been schooled to accept that “global warming causes global cooling”. Or, more precisely, “climate change causes global cooling”.

    These acolytes will not need three decades of global cooling to be “convinced”. They have already been “convinced” of the probability of “climate change” causing global cooling.

    I predict with reasonable confidence that next year’s northern hemisphere winter will be even more severe than this year.

    I predict with even more confidence that, when it happens, it will be hailed as “positive proof” of the “horrendous effects of (man-made) climate change”. The proles are already being prepped for this – see just about any MSN article on recent record snow falls in the USA.

    All this, of course, is the natural outcome of letting the “other side” control the language – “global warming” should never have been allowed to become “climate change”.

    And yet allow it you did. Most people posting on sites like this, including Mr Watts (whom I have the greatest respect for), use the the term themselves.

    Once one side gets to define the meaning of the terms (the language), they in effect control the debate.

    One can no more “debate” climate change than debate “wet rain”.

    I read recently a comment by a journalist that WUWT probably has the highest percentage of advanced degrees and PhDs amongst its readership, of any blog in the world, an observation I would not dispute.

    I appreciate I am only a technical writer moving in truly exalted company, and I’m not being cynical. I stand in awe of some of the things I read here, especially in the comments section.

    However you people have to realise this is not, and never was a “scientific debate”; that it is and always was a propaganda exercise, and that the so-called “science” and the IPCC and all the rest are mere props, like the lights and fog in a David Copperfield magic show.

    As such, in the hands of the clever speech writer the language is far more important than the “facts”, which can be molded and manipulated as required.

    In summary, for as long as you go on using the term “climate change” instead of man-made global warming, you are losing. You can’t debate “climate change” – that is the whole point of the term.

    For as long as you readily accept the title “skeptic” you are losing. “Skeptic” was a title deliberately foisted on you as an engineered bridge between “critic” and “denier”, and you people are helping in the construction. You are critics, or even better, “realists”.

    For as long as you continue to use “soft” terms like “believer” and “warmist” for the AGW crowd, you are losing. They are brainwashed followers of a faith-based dogma. They are cultists.

    Finally, for as long as the brainwashing is allowed to continue in our schools, you are losing. You cannot “debate” anything with someone who has been subjected to 12 or more years unrelenting mind-programming.

  137. @ Pamela Gray (09:09:22) :

    I am a lapsed PhD candidate who is painfully close to a few aspects of the AGW movement and the manner by which it’s debate has evolved. I resist getting involved. I am well aware of my own emotional involvement in the situation and how it can alter my perception of things.

    I don’t really know much of anything, yet what little I do know is unpleasant to me. Peculiarly, I have always respected both hard nosed objectivity and holistic sensibility.

    I feel dumb struck and disgusted.

  138. Ed Murphy

    Thanks for the comments, which I’ll take as a compliment. “Green Hoax” was reprinted in the USA for many years – Library of Congress No 90-084333, ISBN – 0-87034-098-0.

    Personally I wouldn’t bother. It is now very much out of date, and only a third of it was about global warming anyway. The other two sections were “The Unleaded Petrol Myth”, and the “The Ozone Hole Scam”.

    Only the ozone part has any current-future reference. I believe a resurrection of the dreaded “holes in the ozone layer” is quietly being prepped as the Next Big Thing should global warming start to falter.

    After all, if you can create a world-wide panic over “holes” in a non-existent “layer” that was only ever a virtual mathematical construct to aid computation of a physical property, you can do just about anything with it.

  139. Ed Murphy

    Thanks for the comments, which I’ll take as a compliment. “Green Hoax Effect” was reprinted in the USA for many years – Library of Congress No 90-084333, ISBN – 0-87034-098-0.

    Personally I wouldn’t bother. It is now very much out of date, and only a third of it was about global warming anyway. The other two sections were “The Unleaded Petrol Myth”, and the “The Ozone Hole Scam”.

    Only the ozone part has any current-future reference. I believe a resurrection of the dreaded “holes in the ozone layer” is quietly being prepped as the Next Big Thing should global warming start to falter.

    After all, if you can create a world-wide panic over “holes” in a non-existent “layer” that was only ever a virtual mathematical construct to aid computation of a physical property, you can do just about anything with it.

  140. You cannot “debate” anything with someone who has been subjected to 12 or more years unrelenting mind-programming.

    Ain’t it the truth.

  141. Christoph (18:46:45) : edit

    ” You cannot “debate” anything with someone who has been subjected to 12 or more years unrelenting mind-programming.

    Ain’t it the truth.”

    Depends. I’m a product of US public schools, but then again I didn’t go along with peer pressure either. Public school brainwashing happens with those who need to fit in to boost their self esteem. Teaching kids from a young age to resist peer pressure and do their own thing is essential to reducing this influence. Anything that smacks of making kids “well rounded” (i.e. rounded pegs for hammering in round holes) is to be rejected outright as the sort of conformist BS that Anna Freud and her ilk support.

  142. Depends. I’m a product of US public schools, but then again I didn’t go along with peer pressure either.

    Good catch, mikelorrey.

    When I wrote that originally, I thought about adding the special case of the man or woman (usually a man although still a tiny minority of men) who seem to naturally resist peer pressure and going along with everyone else in terms of thinking.

    People like you, people like me.

  143. Christoph, for me the issue is the quality of the book and who wrote it. I have not read it. But so far, the reviews, from both sides, have not been stellar. It apparently is a re-tread, in line with the rather tired “the education of…” sexual experimentation plot. If it turns out to be a good read, more power to him. But if it leaves me laughing instead of intrigued, he deserves a rotten tomato. There is a difference between a steamy novel and a badly written longer version of a Penthouse letter. Lastly, would this book have gotten any press at all if he had been just anyone off the streets who handed a manuscript to a potential publisher? Is the book riding the coattails of his climate notoriety? If yes, it is open for criticism in a blog that includes climate debate. I see no foul here.

  144. “It’s time for Pachauri to go. He’s dirty, deceitful, and dim witted. His personal life is hypocritical of what he preaches to the rest of the world via his IPCC position and is a public relations disaster.”

    Pachauri the Naughty Scientist

  145. I personally can’t stand the idea of any life after death (so I guess that makes me kinda hinduish because they don’t like the idea either). There would be just too many people and from what I heard, we will all be equal and adoring one entity. It would be like being a clarinet player in a marching band. ‘Cept we would all be clarinet players. NOOO thanks. I’ll pass!

  146. Pamela Gray, it would not surprise me if his book was mediocre. I am not interested enough to buy a copy.

    I like pictures.

    Video and sound is better.

    In person, far and away best of all.

    Moving forward… the point is… Anthony is criticizing him in part for being a “dirty” man because he wrote a novel featuring sex. As you say, more power to him if he wrote a good novel on said topic, which we both doubt.

    It detracts from the seriousness of the topic at hand: the integrity of science, the politicization and corruption of the material taught to adults and school children around the world, and the potential destruction of wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of lives (if only those who waste their time being mislead by bad science, not counting any lost) to focus on whether one of the players happens to like sex.

    Big whoop. He’s from India. They have a large population. I expect sex is popular there.

  147. Douglas DC (13:54:12) :
    Pamela- ditto too for me,did lots of trap shooting in my younger days, then
    twenty eight years of aviation (Noise attenuating head sets are not that good.)

    In 1988, our Flight Quack recommended I use foam earplugs in addition to my flight helmet. Best advice I ever got from him.

    And after thirty-seven years of flying helicopters and five years of *not* flying helicopters, my tinnitus is nowhere near as “loud” as it was and my hearing has slightly, but measurably, improved over what it was in 2005.

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