Forecasts call for another 20 inches of snow in Washington DC with snow spreading to NYC this time.
Feb. 8 (Bloomberg) — Storm systems barreling across the country may bring as much as 20 inches (50 centimeters) of new snow to Washington and Baltimore starting late tomorrow, while New York may receive a foot, forecasters said.
With the Washington-Baltimore area still digging out from a weekend storm that left record snowfalls in some areas, the latest blast of winter “is going to be accompanied by heavy winds, which will make it feel worse, and across the Northeast that wind is going to last through the weekend,” said Tom Kines, a meteorologist with AccuWeather Inc.
A winter storm watch was posted today by the National Weather Service for New York, Long Island, southern Connecticut, Rhode Island and southern Massachusetts. A winter storm warning was posted for Washington starting at noon tomorrow, and 10 to 20 more inches may fall, the agency said.
more here
Mother nature and Ted Kennedy have impeccable timing, don’t they?
With the moon at maximum South declination today on the 9th of February, we are again seeing a surge of moisture, making up the southern half of the secondary tidal bulge, forming on the East side of the Rockies.
That will follow the inertia already imparted on it, into the Eastern USA, producing snow and freezing precipitation, for at least the next 4 days before it leaves bound for the British Isles.
For a look at a new paradigm, Lunar declinational, natural analog weather forecast, that saw this coming two years ago, click on following link to website, a work in progress, still in the Beta stages of production.
http://www.aerology.com/national.aspx
Differences between the site’s posted “forecast” and the actual weather may be due to the difference in solar cycle activity levels from the past three cycles, (when the sun’s activity levels were higher than now.) Tends to move current frontal positions further South than in the past.
Plots of the past precipitation patterns are compiled from 6am date of forecast reference date, till 6am the following morning, as such the tracks are not expected to be repeated in entirety, till 6am the morning following the forecast date.
I dunno. I am looking at that buildup on the gulf coast and starting to worry that this one could be bigger than the one before.
I don’t like what I am seeing on that RADAR loop one bit.
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/index_loop.php
Hey Obama, are they still wimps in DC?
Rotten snow!
And one thing I have noticed over the years, forecasters rarely get Nor’easters right. They are just too finicky. A few miles one way or the other makes all the difference. I have seen forecasts of 10 or more inches of snow fall as an inch of rain or a forecast for a dusting turn into a dumping of a foot. The exact amount of snow to expect from a Nor’easter has to be one of the hardest calls in meteorology. You just sort of have to watch it as it develops.
If they are correct about this forecast, then Wednesday’s evening commute could be dangerous, especially up towards New York City.
They are not talking about lazy flakes of sticky snow that you can make a snow man with. They are talking about the dry, sifting stuff that doesn’t stick, flying like needles on howling winds. More like the Dakotas than the East Coast is used to. Visibility could drop to zero in white-outs, and wind-chills drop to zero.
It only takes one dumb driver to stop all the traffic on an expressway. Then you are going to have people sitting in cars, depending on their heaters because they will not be properly dressed to go for a walk in the gale-force wind.
I am always amazed by how poorly some people dress for winter driving. They always assume they can dash from a heated home to a heated car to a heated office. Wednesday evening will not be a good time to make this assumption.
It likely will be a good day to leave work at noon, head home, and hunker down. Fortunately it doesn’t look like the storm will slow down and stall. It ought head out to sea in a hurry.
Meanwhile we may get strong winds but only an inch, up in southern New Hampshire. We’ve had snow-cover since December, but its starting to look a bit worn and moth-eaten. The snow-shields of all these storms are shunted south of us.
The following storm looks like it will lay down a stripe of snow across the deep south. Then, for a few days, we may have snow-cover from Canada clear down to the Gulf of Mexico.
Albedo effect, anyone?
Any news on how the local wind farms helped the electricity generation figures during the storm?
I remember when that same system hit Northern California last week with heavy downpours. It really put a damper on my running routine. We had a nice break over the weekend but of course now it’s raining again! Thanks a lot El Nino.
I saw somewhere that GCM’s can’t predict the AO two weeks in advance. No intuitive intellect? Looking at the AO Index the global warmists must be worried.
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao_index.html
crosspatch (00:48:19) :
I dunno. I am looking at that buildup on the gulf coast and starting to worry that this one could be bigger than the one before.
It was a real gully-washer when it blew through Houston yesterday. Y’all up there in winter wonderland can expect some more of O’Bama’s shovel ready stimulus jobs.
Speaking of the carbon cycle, I see where Rep. Murtha has gone carbon-neutral.
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I particularly enjoy watching Mordor-on-the-Potomac catch pastings such as these we’ve experienced. Drivers in that area (and to the immediate south thereof) experience snow so rarely that most of them lack the skill to handle it. Those of us bred and taught in northern climes learn early how to deal with icy roads.
Heck, I took (and passed) my driver’s test at age 17 on roads precisely as snow-covered and treacherous as they are right now in the Mid-Atlantic states. It was in February, too, come to think on it.
The lightest dusting and there are cars with Virginia and DC license tags in the roadside ditches, and if one has the time to put up with the astonishing clumsiness of the ones who can (barely) keep their own vehicles on the asphalt, it’s quite entertaining.
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That’s an awful lot of snow going to end up being on the ground at one time.
After the cold comes the melt.
I’m looking at the same situation on the opposite coast. Reversvoir has budged much for the last 2 months. When the clouds clear on a rare day it’s obvious why. Ain’t been melting much. Still, they are jumping up & down screaming drought. The polys don’t seem to get it, 200% of normal water content in the snowpack. Might as well call it Lucy : “Charlie Brown, you blockhead !”
Crossing fingers that Washington will get hammered with 20 inches of snow every second day…
Come on snow gods !
crosspatch (00:48:19) :
I don’t like what I am seeing on that RADAR loop one bit.
I’m loving it 😉 The more that hits DC the better… (Besides, that means it’s finally left here!)
Brian Johnson uk (01:26:35) : Any news on how the local wind farms helped the electricity generation figures during the storm?
Saw a ‘teaser blurb’ on some mindless news show about wind turbines in somewhere back east (Minnesota? Wisconsin? I donno…. wasn’t really listening closely…) that were frozen and not turning. The hydraulic fluids and lube oils were setting up to jelly. The California manufacturer said that “had not been consulted about climate suitability” or some such…
(he googles)
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=5068
Looks like it was Minnesota …
I am from Australia and I have to apologize for the inordinate quantity of global warming that you are suffering from. We have been assured by our erstwhile minister for the environment, that only the methane co2 and other green house gases from farts and burps of camels is only relevant to the Kyoto protocol if the camels are privately owned. Perhaps 200 in OZ are in this catagory. Mean time one million feral camels, not native to Australia are invading towns, destroying fences,crops and pasture. The touchy feelly greens have prohibited the culling or destruction of these green house monsters. The Kangaroos are having serious competition. We have considered arming the Kangaroos but the restrictive gun laws stopped them having a competative edge.
That is why I feel compelled to apologize for it is obvious that our feral camels are the root of the intense global warming that has been inflicted on you by our inappropriate actions. Sincerely your Wayne
Here comes the snow again, winter is almost over but the snow seems not giving up that easily. i hope everyone prepare for this to avoid huge problems.
Not Amused (03:20:39) : “Crossing fingers that Washington will get hammered with 20 inches of snow every second day…”
Glad you are amused “Not Amused”. This storm will probably have a death toll to go with it. If you remove the entire government from ‘THIS’ area, you’d end up with a hell of a lot of good people, even including those that actually do work for the Government! Most of them would probably also take exception to your gleeful finger crossing and your exceptional lack of compassion for your fellow human beings… IT IS A SERIOUS SITUATION.
I know this post has no value (as Not Amused has no value) and I’d be surprised if it even makes it through, but I’m here trying to learn.
[Reply: Why would your comment not be posted? This is not one of the blogs promoting AGW by censoring opposing comments. If you are polite and reasonable, your comments will be posted. ~dbstealey, moderator]
They need to tell Al to leave!
So much for “Lake Effect” snow.
“Gulf of Mexico Effect” seems to be beatin the pants off it.
Inquiring minds ask “How can it be so cold down there and so warm at the Winter Olympics in Vancouver?
I guess the cold weather go tired of being “up North.” Browse these:
Canada
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp2.html
and the USA
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp1.html
Ha! Payback for the earlier glaciers!
OK, here south of DC we had 30″ of snow in the past week, Sat -Sat. Remember that does not include the 15-17″ pre-Christmas storm. So this one will drop another 6-12″ (or more) we can never tell with a NorEaster. A record year? Maybe, and it couldn’t have come at a better time. Cooling temps and now record snows in that ole DC, what’s better to stop the Cap & Trade BS?
Oh, I almost forgot, a different administration is the answer to that last question.
Any news on the drought that global warming caused in Georgia (U.S.) over the last couple of years? Seems like that has gone the way of other AGW “evidence”.
Tucci 02:10:40, Look out, I’m one of those drivers. I got my driver’s license at age 14, saw snow stick on the ground for the first time at age 20 and drove on snow for the first time at age 35, when I moved way up north to DC. I’m your worst nightmare on a snow-covered roadway…
Oh dang, likely little snow in New Hampshire. Last storm all we got was a light cloud cover and wind. I’m still hanging on to my paltry 3″ (8 cm). Ah well, it looks like the snow is going to a good home. Anything to slow down congress is a Good Thing(tm) .
Looking ahead, I’m hoping for a couple big March storms here when the storm track finally moves back north.
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crosspatch (00:57:04) :
> And one thing I have noticed over the years, forecasters rarely get Nor’easters right. They are just too finicky. A few miles one way or the other makes all the difference.
One reason for that is continental storms often transfer their energy to a new storm that forms off the coast. Exactly where that point is provides an initial starting point for the track. The biggest uncertainty is along the fringe of the storm. I drove to work in one blizzard that was clobbering Massachusetts. The first snow I saw was when I reached the northern border of Nashua New Hampshire, work was near the southern border, just before Massachusetts. Every exit had nearly another inch on the ground, but I made it to work before traffic was impacted, and there were 6″ in the parking lot.
New England, especially along the coast, is a mecca for meteorologists who like a challenge. The best are willing to admit their forecast was wrong.
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Caleb (01:18:47) :
>I am always amazed by how poorly some people dress for winter driving. They always assume they can dash from a heated home to a heated car to a heated office. Wednesday evening will not be a good time to make this assumption.
For a while, especially when I’d often drive to Plymouth NH late at night, I kept a warm sleeping bag in my car. There are just too many stories about people sliding off the road in a snow storm and being found days later.
I have a long commute, I’m always amazed at the number of people here who don’t have snow tires. I like to claim that “all season” tires are great in Florida. They’re great here too in winter – most of the time. And then people get in the passing lane and are afraid to move back right. Once after a toll booth all the traffic wound up in the passing lane which had visible pavement. The right lane was well (not too well) packed snow and I had it all to myself for a few miles.
I don’t really seek out drives in the snow any more. The drive I had in the Blizzrd of ’78 really can’t be improved on. Any additional challenge would have left me stranded.
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Tucci (02:10:40) :
> The lightest dusting and there are cars with Virginia and DC license tags in the roadside ditches, ….
Sometimes that’s the most dangerous. When 1/4″ of snow packs down into a thin icy coat, you can skid and not stop. The trick, of course, is to not skid, except is safe areas where you can test the traction.
When there’s 3-6″ on the road, then ice isn’t much of a problem and if you do skid, the loose snow helps slow you down.
Ah well, I hope it’s been a learning experience down there.
And another thing – people who spin their tires! There’s still enough friction to heat up the tire surface to above freezing. Warm tire on snow makes wet ice and too little traction to do anything (like get out of the pit dug out by spinning tires).
Tom – I live in Georgia. No discernable evidence of drought or global warming here. It would be nice, in fact, to see the sun two days together.
I went on about 5 or 6 swimming outings over the summer. It was only warm enough to swim probably two of those times. And this in a place which is usually unbearably hot in the summer.
But hey, it’s just weather.
You guys need to get a Jeep Commander with 4-wheel drive, a low-4 tow package, studs, and chains if ya need em. My Jeep is so bulky and big, I was stopped once for not having drag chains.
Traded my nearly new Toyota Corolla in for that big ol’baby after the Toyota hit a deep patch of snow on Tollgate and ground to a stop, with headlights buried in the snow on the road.
And it’s an 8-banger.
Hope everyone stays safe and heeds Caleb’s advice. If I’m forced to travel in snow I also take a shovel, large hot flask of sweet coffee and some high calorie snacks.
Were due another dollop of the white stuff here in Britain tomorrow and Thursday, and I’m planning on staying indoors by a nice big log fire. Wishing everyone well and stay warm.
Our local newspaper had an article about water equivalent snow being just 81% of average (ever heard of a standard deviation?). Less than 5 days after the weekly came out, water equivalent basin snow now stands at 87%.
@ Tucci (02:10:40) : The lightest dusting and there are cars with Virginia and DC license tags in the roadside ditches, and if one has the time to put up with the astonishing clumsiness of the ones who can (barely) keep their own vehicles on the asphalt, it’s quite entertaining.
Several years ago, I was in South Carolina when they got hit with a whopping half an inch of snow. A state trooper pulled me over and told me I had to get off the roads. I was incredulous and asked, “What for?” And he said, “It’s not safe to be out here right now, ma’am.” I just laughed and said, “You’ve got to be kidding!” He told me if I kept arguing with him he’d give me a ticket.
As bad as that is, the worst drivers in any kind of weather are from Ohio. 🙂
@ Ric Werme (05:30:30) : For a while, especially when I’d often drive to Plymouth NH late at night, I kept a warm sleeping bag in my car. There are just too many stories about people sliding off the road in a snow storm and being found days later.
In the winter, I always, always keep extra blankets, sweatshirts, gloves, a 24-pack of bottled water, granola bars, protein bars, an extra cell phone charger, a shovel, kitty litter, and a broom in my trunk.
@ Tucci (02:10:40) : I particularly enjoy watching Mordor-on-the-Potomac catch pastings such as these we’ve experienced. Drivers in that area (and to the immediate south thereof) experience snow so rarely that most of them lack the skill to handle it. Those of us bred and taught in northern climes learn early how to deal with icy roads.
When we were learning to drive as kids, my dad would take us to an empty parking lot at a public pool. (And I learned to drive in a 1972 Dodge Polara, that didn’t exactly stop on a dime.) He made us get up to about 60 mph, then hit the brakes. You learned very quickly what NOT to do…panicking is the worst thing you can do, followed by slamming on the brakes. You SQUEEZE the brakes–you don’t hit them so hard your wheels lock.
Pamela Gray,
“You guys need to get a Jeep Commander with 4-wheel drive, a low-4 tow package, studs, and chains if ya need em. ”
Sounds great, but here in the UK, such 4 by 4’s have to pay punitive taxes to be allowed on the road. Ironically, during the snowy spell last month, the only vehicles able to make it up the hills around my way were the despised 4 by 4’s, while the eco friendlies were stuck on their drives.
Don’t you just love it when govinmints try to pick winners!
@ Not Amused (03:20:39) :
Saw a ‘teaser blurb’ on some mindless news show about wind turbines in somewhere back east (Minnesota? Wisconsin? I donno…. wasn’t really listening closely…) that were frozen and not turning. The hydraulic fluids and lube oils were setting up to jelly. The California manufacturer said that “had not been consulted about climate suitability” or some such…
(he googles)
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=5068
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Yeah, if they had known it was going to Minnesota. they would have put some peanut butter into the lube. At least that way you could have a peanut butter and jelly windmill while you froze in the dark.
Looks like it was Minnesota …
Good luck with your pending next dump of snow. Stay safe.
(I love it when this stuff happens in the USA [no offense], but it is so sad when people are injured and killed.)
There are a couple of references above to the snow-free Olympics in Vancouver.
Naturally, we can expect the eco-weenies to start with “The lack of lower elevation snow at the Olympics is caused by AGW!” All the while, the “ultra left BC tree huggers” forget the record snow cover they had last winter when the snow stayed for week vs. the usual few hours. They could not drive their Beemers out to get sushi. Aaaaw gee.
But as we all know … (here at WUWT anyway)
1) Weather is not climate, and more importantly …
2) This is a classic example of El Nino keeping the West Coast well above average. It is a statement about the power of the oceans which remains lost on many..or at least is lost in their brains when convenient to do so. ☺
Clive
The other tough thing about snow forecasting in southern New England is the snow/rain line. Ten miles and 250 feet of elevation can cut snow depths in half as warmer temps cause a change over to rain. Shoveling slush is the worst.
Ack. I don’t know how much more weight my roof can take. This one will maybe be concentrated more to the east & NE from western MD than the last one. I hope.
To know weather, why don’t you consider lunar phases like in the past it used to be?, it seems that Piers Corbyn does take them into account too.
Then, if you have had big snow storms beginning on the fifth of february, chances are you will have them back on the 7th. of march.
According to the National Weather Service, typical for DC is either 17 inches for a season or 15 (Dulles versus Wash National stations).
With the Xmas snow storm, that could mean a potential 60 inches so far this year.
That would be 60/15 = 4 x’s the norm.
Now what’s the statistical spread on this, and is this more than 3 standard deviations out?
Max
Actual snowfall, 120 seasons
12.5
6.5
37.1
41.7
31.0
25.4
24.8
9.3
16.2
11.0
54.4
35.6
9.1
13.1
8.2
20.2
41.0
25.7
28.3
18.3
36.0
20.0
39.8
21.8
8.7
28.6
14.5
17.4
18.8
36.4
3.3
11.9
4.8
42.5
15.2
21.4
18.5
17.4
2.3
11.1
7.5
18.1
2.5
5.0
23.8
30.7
31.4
31.8
20.2
5.4
13.6
25.3
17.9
13.6
16.7
4.6
7.3
21.6
20.0
23.4
15.8
3.4
10.2
10.2
8.3
18.0
6.6
11.3
14.2
40.4
4.9
24.3
40.3
15.0
21.4
33.6
17.1
28.4
37.1
21.4
9.1
14.0
11.7
16.8
0.1
16.7
12.8
2.2
11.1
22.7
37.7
20.1
4.5
22.5
27.6
8.6
10.3
15.4
31.1
25.0
5.7
15.3
8.1
6.6
11.7
13.2
10.1
46.0
6.7
0.1
11.6
15.4
7.4
3.2
40.4
12.4
12.5
13.6
9.5
4.9
Average: 17.9″, Standard Deviation: 11.5″
Thus 60″ would be 5 S.D.’s out, usually an indication of a “significant” change from the “average”.
The next item would be to see it happen, say, 4 to 10 years in a row.
For Baltimore, the all-time record for the snowiest winter is something like 62.5 inches. After this past weekend’s snow, Baltimore is at 60.4 inches for this winter. We are poised to receive much more tonight, not merely breaking the record, but obliterating it.
Washington National airport receives an average of 16.6 inches annually. In the December 19-20 snowfall, they got 16.4; nearly an entire year’s worth in a single fall. This past weekend, they received (if memory serves me right), 17.4 inches–more than a year’s worth in a single fall. Now we have the possibility of yet a third major snow.
Hey Mr. Gore, think people will buy your AGW alarmism after this?
Members of an independent new media would now be asking Obama and other politicians how the weather compares with Al Gore’s and the UN IPCC’s prediction of global warming.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
“I’ll get the tar
You get the feathers
And will go see Al
If we can make it
Through this weather..”
(Unk)
Any bets on how long it will be before the AGW crowd agree that it is not getting hotter, and they start claiming the credit for saving the planet?
John Innes (08:20:27) :The crowd may realize that AGW is over but not the promoters because it is a business and the means of an ideology to achieve their goal: Global Government, which, in turn and again means business.
They are quite advanced in their agenda, just see in any direction and you’ll see it fulfilled. All production means in less hands every day: Do you remember the good all days when you could buy something as trivial as chocolates from different parts of the world with different trade names?, now all they keep its trade names, but the trademark on its envelopes it is only one and the same: N….é
This pattern is starting to look like the more classical Nor’easter than the last one did. On the national loop, notice the “explosion” starting to happen at about the border of the Carolinas.
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/index_loop.php
This generally rakes up the coast. What determines the amount of snow and where it happens is determined by where exactly it is relative to the coast as it moves North. The “worst case” is a center of the storm just off shore that wanders slowly North with heavy precipitation on the “cold” side of the storm.
This one is interesting in that it is a double-barreled event with another storm farther to the North that could cause another “exposion” possibly off the coast of New Jersey. If that happens just as the one from farther South is arriving in the area, it is “Katie, bar the door” for New York and Long Island.
Oh, and on the West coast, notice how clearly you can see the circulation right now around a low pressure area centered about San Francisco bay. That will be next week’s storm in the East.
No snow, but here in San Antonio they’re forecasting a mix of winter precipitation starting early Weds.
Winter is usually over by the end of January – I can’t remember having this much cold weather in a very long time (mid 80s, perhaps?)
Of course, it’s a relief after our horrific, blistering, 50+ days over 100F summer last year. I’ll take whatever winter I can get after that!
(Julie, who certainly does NOT know how to drive in the snow!)
Can someone ask Robert Kennedy Jr. what happened?
…..Oh, I guess somebody did….
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzU3ZDBjY2I4ODUzMjhiYTlmOTBkNjBkMjZjNTQ0YTE=
FYI, that area to the west of the east coast is populated, not terra incognita, and we are -having- a snow storm. The city left me a nice 3.5 foot wall at the end of my driveway.
It has been pointed out before that these frozen wind turbines are not the ones dotting the prairies in their thousands, but some old, used ones designed for California. The new ones hereabouts keep on turning.
Ric, that is true. One of my great-aunt’s tenants disappeared in the Christmas storm and hasn’t been seen since. He was heading “up nort’ from Iowa.
Another thing you ought to have in your car survival kit is a coffee can with a lid. Think about it. One woman had to use her purse a year or two ago.
-pump- the breaks, so that you don’t spin out. Gently pump them. Front-wheel drive is diferent. You may actually want to accelerate.
Kay (06:24:40) :
I kept a warm sleeping bag in my car.
In the winter, I always, always keep extra blankets, sweatshirts, gloves, a 24-pack of bottled water, granola bars, protein bars, an extra cell phone charger, a shovel, kitty litter, and a broom in my trunk.
I keep the same, plus flashlight, toilet paper, and the most important necessity. A fifth of whiskey. Nothing beats a whiskey slushy when you’re in the ditch, even if it does cool you down.
25% of DC “snow plow fleet is down and they’re having trouble getting replacement parts…..Crews have been working non-stop since the blizzard on Friday…..also working to get Bobcats and other front loaders to help with snow removal.”
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1884422
Is this the Green Police?
RFK Jr. said snow storms like this couldn’t happen there anymore in Virginia because of global warming. If that was true this unbelievable incident couldn’t have happened:
Felony snowball throwing charges have been leveled against two Virginia college students for allegedly pelting a city plow and an undercover police car during Saturday’s blizzard.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0209101snow1.html
When I was a kid everyone threw snowballs at the snowplows! And they are slapping these kids with felonies no less!
AccuWeather.com
is now projecting that Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., Wilmington (DE), Baltimore, Atlantic City and others will break their records for snowiest season in recorded history, after tomorrow’s storm
(in inches, current/record/expected after tomorrow):
Philly: 56.4 / 65.5 / 71.0
Atlantic City: 42.8 / 46.9 / 53.7
Wilmington: 53.9 / 55.9 / 67.3
Washington D.C.: 63.1 / 61.9 / 72.3
Baltimore: 60.4 / 62.5 / 74.6
http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?blog=Weathermatrix
Washington only had officially “only” 17.8 inches. The Washington Post article tries to explain why, while everybody else in the area got much more:
link
Urbanization doesn’t just affect the temperature.
Pamela Gray (05:55:48) :
You guys need to get a Jeep Commander with 4-wheel drive, a low-4 tow package, studs, and chains if ya need em.
Funny-the suvs are all the ones that see off the road in norhtern Vt. My Corolla-never once in 25 years of a 30 mile commute. It’s not what you drive-it’s how
That being said-crummiest snow year that I can remember since maybe the late 70’s here in VT.
Really, don’t forget the liquid – that’s what you need first nutritionally, not food per se. Overdo everything, especially sleeping bags and blankets, too. You won’t regret it. Take the whiskey if there’s any chance you’ll get caught outside of the Antarctic compound you’ve just had to completely burn down in order to destroy The Thing, like Kurt Russell did.
Or just don’t travel if things are shaping up too ominously. You can get stopped out there for days pretty easily, not only on the highwway. Around here where we’re fairly well prepared, once the Freeway froze up with a lot of cars stopped. But my neighbor jumped on his evil snowmobile and drove 70-100 miles up to rescue his stranded wife anyway. I think it was something about “sleeping on the couch” or something.
Hehe, try running around in three feet of snow with a “smart” car. You will be lucky to be able to see over the snowbanks at the intersections.
Dodged the bullet again here in southern Illinois. The storm that’s set to dump all kinds of more snow on the mid-Atlantic, once again, just gave us a dusting. It’s still cold as hell here, though. I know, I know, AGW-faithful…weather isn’t climate, and North America is sitting in an “anomaly.” Climate is a measure of, oh, I don’t know, average numbers of orgies, or something.
Glad we dodged the bullet again, because I’m not sure my Insight will handle much more snow 😛
John Innes (08:20:27)
Any bets on how long it will be before the AGW crowd agree that it is not getting hotter, and they start claiming the credit for saving the planet?
Interesting goad there
But what about the NASA claims that the “aughts” are still the hottest decade on record, with 2005 being the hottest year of all time since reliable records have been kept, and 2009 coming in second now?
Heavy snow or not, 2009 is not that darn long ago. Oh, and heavy snow is well within the predictions of AGW. More warming means more vapor is in the air now, and in winter (yes, it will be around for some time to come!) means that vapor is turned to snow under the right conditions.
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=249
Wakefield Tolbert (16:08:22):
“…heavy snow is well within the predictions of AGW.”
1. Everything is well within the predictions of AGW. You surely must have gotten the memo by now.
2. NASA is no longer credible. They just aren’t. They can not be trusted. Sorry ’bout that, they used to be my heroes, too. But they’ve fudged the numbers once too often.
3. Relax, the warmest year always comes back to trend: click. They said 1997-8 was the warmest. See? There’s nothing to get all upset about. CO2 isn’t gonna getcha.
Yeah–I saw the first one before. Thanks.
So…I’m imagining that it would do no good to post the thoughts of a physicist/aquaintence of sorts of mine who made the following observation in friendly jest with some of us over on MacClean’s online the other day to the effect of:
The polar ice cap is vanishing at a rate far faster than the worst IPCC predictions. Agriculture is suffering due to changes in climatological patterns, seen most profoundly at first in grain farming in Australia, precisely where predicted. 2009 saw the driest spring that Canadian agriculture has seen in the 70 years we’ve kept records of:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/06/canadas-p…
Low lying island nations such as Tuvalu are already being forced to begin relocating due to rising sea levels. An overwhelming majority of scientists globally concur on the basic facts. The so-called ‘climategate’ is climate change denial’s last gasp. Hackers stole ten years worth of emails, and they were scoured for anything that might appear damning, finding only two that have been endlessly paraphrased since. The term ‘trick’ is commonly used in science journals as an accepted clever methodology rather than an intent to deceive, and the study mentioned in the email that includes the word ‘trick’ plays no part in official IPCC findings. The ‘can’t explain the decline’ email refers to a study of tree ring formation, and rather than being a secret, the scientist who wrote the email also wrote a public article about his inability to explain his findings. Clearly we don’t know everything we might about tree ring formation, but AGW is happening. The science is unassailable, so now taking a couple of private emails out of context is the worst that denialism has left in its arsenal.
And thank fate for that, because the longer we linger in the first of five stages of grief, the deeper the knife will cut when we realize we have no other choice. Even if climate change were not real (it is) and we didn’t have anything to do with it (we do), the shift to more sustainable methodologies would be infinitely valuable in human health improvements and long term resource availability.”
Wakefield Tolbert (17:06:29) :
Yeah, it would be a waste of space to post that. Why? Because the base information on which it is based is dodgy at best. Just like the “115 year record hot” in the west of the USA “just as predicted”, only it wasn’t. It was a direct result of having only 4 thermometers left in the state being used in the GHCN data set. One at the airport in San Francisco and 3 near the beach in Southern California…
So, sea level rise? Nope. Pacific islands rise and fall with sea level. (There was an excellent posting here a ways back explaining island dynamics.) BTW, most of those Pacific islands are built on the tops of submerged mountains. Key words: “built” and “submerged”. Islands are an active process, not a static feature. FWIW, “The Big Island” of Hawaii is bigger than the others because it is still being built up over the hot spot. It will eventually join the chain of sinking ones (that used to be giants too) that ends about Midway where the submerge. Until you have a few feet of water in downtown New York, it’s mindless to talk about ‘sea level rise’. More so for Pacific Atolls and volcanic islands.
Similar issues apply to your other points. The polar ice cap, for example, is way within historic norms and is doing fine.
BTW, I’ve done a nice little “self to self” thermometer record analysis that shows the Pacific Ocean area has, since 1880 to 1995, warmed by exactly nil.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/dtdt-agw-ddt/
@Wakefield Tolbert (17:06:29) : Click on the “Categories” line in the sidebar, then click on “sea level” to find a list of relevant articles on the topic, with the most recent one by Willis E. on top. Reading that ought to take the air out of your faith in that and other warmist prognostications. Then check out other categories.
For instance, three years ago warmists like Lacis were sure they had their smoking gun in the supposed ice-melting in Greenland — which subsequently stopped.
@WT: Agriculture is always suffering somewhere or other. On the whole it’s doing well.
Certainly there are semi-innocent explanations for much of the Climategate material. But some of them won’t wash, when they’re really put in context, as for instance in the Mosher/Fuller Climategate book. Regardless, the leaders in the field of climatology come across as sharp-elbowed, narrow-minded zealots; hence their say-so on anything cannot be taken as authoritative enough to “bet the farm” on. Their findings and interpretations need to be reviewed by independent scientists from outside the snake pit of organized clime.
“An overwhelming majority of scientists globally concur on the basic facts.” It remains to be seen how many of them have reviewed and concurred with Hansen’s catastrophic/runaway scenario, as opposed to how many simply have accepted it without much thought, or who have accepted a non-catastrophic version of warming but not made a fuss about it in order to avoid rocking the boat. A very detailed questionnaire should be administered to a known and representative sample.
It should also be borne in mind that people who entered the field of climatology did so in many cases because they “wanted to make a difference” and/or because they were thoroughly indoctrinated in CAGWism in their training.
“AGW is happening. The science is unassailable,” — Care to make a bet? There are about ten available, under “Markets –> Climate & Weather,” here: https://www.intrade.com
Wakefield,
The numbers are “adjusted”, and always in a way to show higher temps. But that’s not all. Here’s a graph from CRU showing both hemispheres, and the global temperature: click. Notice that the global graph is higher than the total of the hemispheres.
And regarding Tuvalu, that story is so bogus. Here’s a John Daly graph of its supposedly rising sea levels: click
At nearby New Caledonia atoll, also no sea level rise: click
And finally, a decisive refutation of sea level rise: click
The rest of the comments from Treehugger are equally bad. They’ve all been deconstructed, every one of them.
I hope you get a chance to read John Daly’s paper. He covers the bases well.
Caleb (01:18:47) :
>I am always amazed by how poorly some people dress for winter driving.
For a while, especially when I’d often drive to Plymouth NH late at night, I kept a warm sleeping bag in my car. There are just too many stories about people sliding off the road in a snow storm and being found days later.
Once long ago…
Driving from a diving trip in Coos Bay Oregon back to Sacramento… the geniuses in charge decided to bring I-5 to a halt in the (just starting) blizzard to tell everyone the weather was bad. Of course, sit for an hour in falling snow and the road is not so good and moving again, not so easy. I had lost a chain (and learned about chain tensioners…) and ended up stuck in a drift by the side of the freeway in the Cascades near “Weed”. Very cold and snow falling.
Well, long story short, I bundled up in coat but it wasn’t enough. So I stripped, put on the wet suit from the dive, and re-dressed including coat. While my toes and nose were a bit cold, the rest of me was OK. About 4 am the snow stopped and I was able to clear enough of the snow to ‘rock’ the car back and forth enough to get out of the ‘divots’.
Freeway, now being closed behind me, was wide open. Stopped in Weed for coffee… wet suit and all. Only a few ‘funny looks’ in the cafe 😉
Once after a toll booth all the traffic wound up in the passing lane which had visible pavement. The right lane was well (not too well) packed snow and I had it all to myself for a few miles.
Same trip, after coffee, driving on clear ‘passing lane’ behind slug. About 4 inch ice / pack snow shelf in ‘slow lane’. Having grown up in farm country on mud and gravel, I ‘floaty boaty’ it over onto the ice and pass on the right. Look in the rear view mirror to see a “flatlander” in a Caddy try to power onto the ice… doing 180’s / 360’s down the freeway with flashers coming on…
All this in a 1960’s era Ford Fairlane IIRC with crummy cheap summer tires.
Drove uneventfully on home (past the ‘road closed’ signs at the OTHER end getting more looks of ‘you came out of where?’ ).
I, too, like to practice spin any given new car type on snow covered parking lots as available. I like to know the limits… But frankly, growing up on mud and gravel is really good training. You shift over to “boat mode; steering is only a suggestion” pretty quick…
Smith and Roger and then Smokey once again:
Thanks for the links. I’ll pour over them in more detail later, though I did take a look already.
thx.
–W
Yeah–I just saw some other info on Tuvalu as well elsewhere by some New Zealanders writing on the subject. Thanks.
Oh, btw, I now have a ‘snow box’ that goes in the car with a LOT of survival and preparedness gear. Including SPARE chains and a full chain repair / reconstruction kit with spare tensioners… The chain kit fits nicely in a military surplus ammo box. Pays for itself too. I’ve rebuilt a half dozen chains while in various hotel rooms waiting for the lifts to open or dinner to start. Just takes a few minutes and you’re up $50. Sometimes I make my own chains now. It’s easy and I like the product better. Also lets me cut out worn links before they risk the fender / wheel well…
The side chains and attachment gear lasts nearly forever, so it’s just cross links get replaced. One link spreader & vice grips and 10 minutes you can resize the chains for new tires or replace any worn cross links. (oh, and a chain cutter to cut the new cross links to size).
Haven’t bought a new set of chains since about 1980… just a length of standard chain at the hardware store.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/crisis-kits-and-preparedness-packs/
The snow stuff is a subset of the first two sizes plus the chains kit, heavier winter clothing, slicker for laying in the snow putting chains on, couple of towels for after that, and some “Snacks”…
E.M. Smith, the water in Coos Bay is way colder than a snowstorm. Snow is a treat after a dive in THAT ocean! Downright nipply.
Thanks for the thanks, WT.
I should have added justification for another “hmmm” reflection: Climatology isn’t yet a robust science. It’s immature. It doesn’t know enough yet to “have the problem surrounded,” as I like to put it. But it thinks it does. It’s juvenile and suffers from the “malady of the ignorant”: being ignorant of its ignorance.
There’s constantly new stuff coming out that makes its previous knowledge, models, and affectation-of-certainty look foolish or suspect. The recent paper on the cooling effect of dryness in the upper atmosphere, for instance. And the Canadian paper a few months ago making a plausible case that recent warming is due to CFCs. (And recent cooling to the lack of them.)
It also looks suspect when organized clime publishes and trumpets (front-pages) a dodgy study like Steig et al., which smears a warm spot over all Antarctica to create a phony warming trend. There’s been enough dodginess and hype (crying wolf about polar bears, etc.), and enough falsified model-predictions (someone should create a complete list), to tarnish the credibility of the field.
Chiefio: I urge you to go to the Cool Tools site and, under “submit a tool,” submit a write-up of your tire-chain technique. Here: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/index.php
Or go to a fix-it site like Instructables.
LOL! The Democrats are closing down government for the rest of this week because of the snow and next week is a scheduled vacation. I can’t wait until they come back from vacation demanding that “we act now” to save humanity from global warming, The “D” in DC stands for “disarray.” The politicians are in such a mess, they are fleeing each other. I love it. Some time soon, the American public will wake up and realize that no one is in charge anymore and we are free again. The self-appointed babysitters have fled the house and are hiding under the front porch. Now all we have to do is call the exterminators.
“BarryW (11:34:03) :
Washington only had officially “only” 17.8 inches. The Washington Post article tries to explain why, while everybody else in the area got much more:”
I flew out of Dulles on Monday morning, a connecting flight from Boston, and while I had seen reports that Dulles had 30 inches, from my observation it appeared closer to 1 1/2 ft with drifts perhaps being as much as 2 1/2 ft.
Sometimes airport s and towns report higher than actual numbers to appear more deserving of money when it comes time for budgets or federal/state aid, or just to provide a better excuse for the delay in removing the snow from roads/runways.
Meanwhile in Taipei it is a balmy 83 deg F, pretty warm for February. But thats just weather (it was darn cold in December/Jaunuary), and warm is certainly better than cold, jet lagged or not.
Wakefield Tolbert (17:06:29) :
> The polar ice cap is vanishing at a rate far faster than the worst IPCC predictions.
Vanishing seems to be a strong word, especially since the summer lows for the last couple of years are going up from the record (30 year) low in 2007.
> Low lying island nations such as Tuvalu are already being forced to begin relocating due to rising sea levels.
How much of that nation has been evacuated so far? Maldives too.
> An overwhelming majority of scientists globally concur on the basic facts
Sure, like CO2 is increasing, the planet has warmed since the last ice
age, 1998 sure featured a strong El Nino. Those seem pretty basic, did
you have some in mind (or your physicist acquaintance)?
Ric Werme (21:51:36)
Basic? Perhaps on those notes. Sure. But what about his other claims, more recent, to the effect of, say…. TEN YEARS of emails combed over, only to find and snag out a couple of supposedly damning nits from the strands. And even here, we’re given the defense of “we scientists are just human too.”
NO evidence of nefarious Soros money or global conspiracy. Human failings on the emotional front at most, so they tell me. But nothing really damning:
The so-called ‘climategate’ is climate change denial’s last gasp. Hackers stole ten years worth of emails, and they were scoured for anything that might appear damning, finding only two that have been endlessly paraphrased since. The term ‘trick’ is commonly used in science journals as an accepted clever methodology rather than an intent to deceive, and the study mentioned in the email that includes the word ‘trick’ plays no part in official IPCC findings. The ‘can’t explain the decline’ email refers to a study of tree ring formation, and rather than being a secret, the scientist who wrote the email also wrote a public article about his inability to explain his findings.
(emphasis mine)
As to the more recent supposed IPCC “GlacierGate” that has everyone in an donnybrook/uproar (over supposed lifting of material from students and magazine articles as the alleged “only” or “chief” source material) there was a TYPO–and nothing more–about 2035 being the proximate date of Himalayan glacier meltdown rather than the INTENDED date of 2350. The authors of the IPCC report in this regard have admitted the error and did so before the blogosphere got wind of it, AND have reminded people that a slower melt of the world’s glaciers is a melt nontheless, with serious ramifications for those societies and cultures that presently depend on water from said sources.
PS to Ric–good snark on the DMHO link from part of your site. Funny stuff.
I’m off to the haystack with a cold glass of that….
PS–to Ric.
Just toured your site (albeit very briefly)
Was suprised, in that generally most of the “Darwin Fish” types who’d place that little funny leg-sprouter on the car are safely Leftist in orientation in addition to being also the types that have about 100 other stickers, and make mocking noises about religion and so on in other similar missives. Usually the Leftist goes hand-in-hand with Climate Change Warning advocacy.
Exceptions proving the rule?
E.M.Smith (19:13:49) :
Great story! I especially liked the part about buying coffee wearing the wet-suit long-underwear. Thanks!
Tom in Florida (04:58:54) :
http://newsflavor.com/alternative/the-georgia-drought-is-over/
Lol. It is snowing in Buffalo again
Mom about 100 miles East of DC reports complete white-out conditions, she gave up on the driveway. They got some rain on top of the two feet of snow which made a nice crust on it and will cause it to stay longer as the crust slows melting and prevents the snow under it from blowing around. She reports another 4 to 6 inches of new snow on top of that crust.
And it looks like the storm has stalled and is simply sitting there rotating with little overall movement over the past couple of hours.
Here’s an exchange I had with a couple of commenters here that should make it clear that it wasn’t a typo:
Still snowing here in western PA.
Ric Werme (21:51:36)
I do indeed have some more from this person:
(Responding to someone who posted that Exxon Mobile is outspent by an alleged ratio of 1000-1 by government on the issue of Climate Change/AGW research, and then adding more….)
As for your chart purportedly showing government vastly outspending EM on climate change research (It never indicates where joannenova.com obtained those statistics, or how they were compiled, but I’ll let that pass) , EM still gives large amounts of money to think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation and countless others that publish studies by climate skeptics. Such money would not be included in the joannenova.com tally.
Not only that, but EM also influences public policy in other ways, such as campaign donations and lobbying. It isn’t surprising that you hear Republicans like James Inhofe and Sarah Palin, but of whom receive significant largesse from the oil industry, claiming that climate change is bunk. Such politicians have significant influence on public debate, and help at least reinforce the public perception that climate change isn’t “settled science.”
Aside from that, why do you assume that all of the climate change research comes from the government? The vast majority of the influential literature comes from scientists employed by universities, public and private, and who publish their work in scientific journals. A few of these scientists may hold positions in bodies like the IPCC, but most don’t.
The vast majority of the serious scientific literature argues that human beings are responsible for climate change. That isn’t really a matter of debate.
What’s more, scientists have known since the nineteenth century that carbon dioxide absorbs heat. We know that there is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than ever, and that this amount is growing.
The consequences of climate change are real, too. If you visit western Canada or the US, you will see huge swaths of forest that are dying from pine beetle infestations, which are no longer killed off during the winters, which have become increasingly mild.
http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0805/full/clim…
Whole lakes have disappeared in Africa, which has caused widespread famine and disease there. Viruses like west nile and malaria are expanding their range and moving farther from the equator.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/0…
Given these facts alone, none of which “climategate” disproves, the responsible thing for us to do is seek ways to limit carbon emissions.
Wakefield,
A few rebuttal points:
The climate peer review system has been thoroughly corrupted by a rent-seeking clique of self-serving connivers. There is no doubt about this, and there is no need for me to cite what I and others have cited endlessly on this site. The emails that are simply hand-waved away by your MacClean’s commentators were much more serious than they think.
Those leaked emails [along with the Harry_read_me file] singlehandedly caused the failure of Cop15, and they are eating away like acid at the CO2=CAGW hypothesis.
How can they not be? They freely admitted that they simply fabricated entire data sets; they made them up. The credulous fools who downplay that scientific misconduct are badly misjudging the situation.
The emails also disclose that ‘hide the decline’ meant that they hid data that would have shown cooling rather than their invented warming. And to this day, no one has denied the validity or provenance of the emails. They can’t; they don’t know what else is out there, and too many people involved have already attested that the emails are genuine.
Next, there is no verifiable, empirical evidence showing that human activity is responsible for climate change. None. I say again: N-O-N-E. Human activity may be responsible for a slight change in global temperature. But that is still an unproven hypothesis. To post, as you did, that The vast majority of the serious scientific literature argues that human beings are responsible for climate change. That isn’t really a matter of debate is simply an opinion of facts that are not in evidence.
Show us empirical [real world] evidence that humans are responsible for climate change. You will have been the first to be able to do so. Even the idea that humans can cause global climate change is ridiculous, and there exists zero evidence for that assertion.
Finally, the current red-faced, spittle flecked arm-waving by the lunatic CO2=CAGW contingent sounds remarkably identical to past prophets of doom: click1, click2
The natural, constantly changing variability of the planet’s climate always brings out prophets of doom. This time is no different. So get a grip, and look at the situation from the perspective of natural variability: today’s climate is completely ordinary. It is well within its historical parameters. Nothing unusual is happening. In fact, the climate is currently very benign.
The only ones who are benefitting from climate alarmism are the prophets of doom, who have no real evidence to support their proselytizing.
But as long as they can scare unthinking people into believing that a harmless, beneficial trace gas such as CO2 is gonna get us all, they don’t need scientific evidence. All they need are gullible people. Don’t be their victim. You will only regret it later.
Well, Smokey, those are some interesting points, to be sure. Agreed.
And the hungry beetles no longer being nipped by cold Rocky Mountain air?
The Capital Weather Gang:
“2009-2010 winter thus far puts D.C. above the previous high mark of 54.4″ set way back in 1898-1899. Baltimore has also broken its all-time record with this event”.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/?hpid=topnews
Wakefield Tolbert (15:05:38),
This could get endless. If you won’t think for yourself, there isn’t much hope.
So I’ll wind this up by pointing out that a 0.7° increase in global temperature over more than a century didn’t cause a pine beetle infestation in one small corner of the globe. That is a classic argumentum ad ignorantium; the fallacy of assigning a cause simply because the writer couldn’t think of another reason [actually, they could easily think of other reasons. But those reasons aren’t as likely to bring in new grants].
It’s the same mindset that assigns all global warming to a tiny trace gas because they can’t think of other causes.
Apparently most CO2=CAGW believers have never heard of Occam’s Razor: Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.
Adding an unnecessary entity like CO2 to an explanation of climate variability makes the situation more complicated than necessary, and so eventually you end up with rent-seeking grant hogs trying to explain a local beetle infestation — as if no beetle infestations had ever occurred prior to the advent of SUVs. See how silly it all sounds when you don’t buy into the AGW claptrap?
Come on, Wakefield, you’re smarter than that… I sincerely hope.
@Wakefield: Here’s what one poster here said a couple of months ago re pine beetles, (I’ll respond to your other points in time):
Smokey and Roger, thanks for the input.
I was not trying to make an endless set of posts out of this. Just asking questions. “Smarter than that” does not indicate I’d know all the little factoids floating around out there about the claims of AGW. (But thanks for the vote of confidence.)
RealClimate has smart people to, as does ScienceBlogs.
I freely admit to being neither a climatologist or computer-modeler or anywhere near such. I posted what I did from the others who claimed to have some kind of inside scoop exactly to see what this equally smart crowd of folks hangin’ around WUWT had to say about matters, as I’m new to this site.
And the “smart” comment is NOT meant to be sarcastic.
I do appreciate your input.
It’s true that the error was dug out by Cogley, an IPCC accomplice, and by Fred Pearce, a red-hot warmist journalist who wrote for New Scientist, rather than by a blogger. However, saying the IPCC acted before the blogosphere put them up to it incorrectly hints that the IPCC would have taken action if it hadn’t feared that Pearce or Cogley would go public, perhaps via the bloggers, if a correction wasn’t made. The IPCC’s record prior to that point was one of denial and coverup as long as it thought it could get away with it:
1. Haisnain, the WWF, and I presume other IPCCers in attendance, ignored glacier expert Gwyn Rees’s 2004 UK-government-funded debunking rapid-melting claims and his speech warning that Haisnan’s 2035 date was ridiculous. He forced New Scientist to publish a retraction in 2004 after it had published Haisnan’s claim that Rees’s study was alarmist about the melting rate, so this was widely known:
2. Raised-eyebrow comments during the review process from Japan and others about the source etc. of 2035 were dealt with perfunctorily. Only a citation of the WWF article was added.
3. Lead Author Georg Kaser’s e-mail to the IPCC’s technical support team prior to publication about 2035 was ignored.
Here’s the IPCC’s excuse for how it dropped the ball:
4. Lead Author Georg Kaser’s letter to Asia group head Dr. Lal was ignored. (Lal said in response that he never got it. A “likely story,” IMO.)
5. In early November ChooChoo scornfully dismissed the correction in the report issued by VK Raina of India’s Geological Survey, calling it voodoo science. Here’s WUWT’s thread on the matter then:
6. Later in November ChooChoo was informed about the error by Pavlia Bagla but he took no action. This is in line with the IPCC’s hear-no-evil precedents described above. Here’s a story by Andrew Bolt summarizing the matter:
PS: Don’t forget that the IPCC not only printed the wrong date, but backed it up by rating the likelihood of the glaciers disappearing as “very high”—i.e., more than 90 per cent.
Further, although all the experts except Kaser failed to try to get this corrected afterwards (too good a story to spoil?), this was not something that others overlooked:
Incidentally, the passage above continues with some interesting background material:
PPS: Here is a piece of a letter to the London Times. It contradicts Wakefield’s proxy claim that the IPCC made a good-faith error:
Here’s another comment, on dot.earth, that indicates the great usefulness this 2035 “error” had for the alarmist cause:
And here’s a WUWT comment that’s another indication that it was “no accident” that the IPCC made the 2035 “error”:
PPPS: Here’s more background info., from an earlier WUWTer:
More criticism of the good-faith-error defense:
Interesting liks, all.
I plan to especially save the one from Roger Pielke Jr.
A timing ramifaction might not be serious, but if so it could be solved by a low-level dam. As for the idea, implied by some, that diminished Himalayan glacier levels would mean less total water downstream, and/or that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking due to global warming:
Here are extracts from that study: