Now that Dr. Rajenda Pachauri has blown all his (and the IPCC’s) credibility with denouncing complaints about the flawed glaciers melt date as “voodoo science”, the pundits, both serious and silly, are getting to work. On the serious side we have Geoffry Lean, the father of environmental reporting (40 years) in the UK calling for Pachauri’s resignation.
On the silly side, Pachauri may be selling insurance soon. With Mr Pachauri’s penchant for hyperbole and sensationalism, I could easily see him selling catastrophic health insurance as a natural career path at this point. Good luck sir.
From “I hate the media” Pachauri may be the new mascot for Geico Insurance, screencap below.
For our readers outside the USA, this video video below might help you understand why most American readers are ROTFL about right now. We’ve been saturation bombed in the USA with these commercials over the last several years.
Geico now has a new mascot, with a British (or maybe Australian, I can’t tell) accent no less:
While the science is far more important than the satire, Pachauri is now becoming a serious public relations liability to the IPCC, as the Telegraph’s Geoffrey Lean points out.
h/t to Joe
I am keen to see the mass delusion / collective exaggeration / unmerited power grab that is AGW relentlessly debunked and exposed.
On the ad hominem stuff, not so much. Can’t get behind this sort of posting, satire or not.
Pachauri should resign, the IPCC should be disbanded, the Nobel award for IPCC and Al Gore should be recalled, and the UN should shut up on scientific issues and focus on international politics.
The gecko is… British (from London).
Pleased to be of help.
Also, more trouble for the IPCC – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/7066720/UN-climate-science-panel-incorrectly-linked-global-warming-to-rise-in-natural-disasters.html
Oi mate! That gecko is a proper English geezer. Knowwhatimean?
Reincarnation. Pachauri is yet another slander on the caveman dude.
That Gecko definitely has a British accent, more specifically from SE England (probably London). I know ‘cos he sounds like me even if I do have an Irish name.
I think it’s an Australian accent since the gecko in question lives “in the land down undah”
Jez Booker,
This link has been posted already today. Yet it seems no blogs are going with it. I don’t know why…maybe it’s old news. We already know that the GW-Storms link is bogus. This further adds confirmation to the claim that the IPCC is an organisation filled with scarecrows.
I hope the caveman doesn’t sue for defamation of character.
They were doomed the moment the Nobel Committee gave them the award.
this is a bit low … what is next ? Pictures of his mother and “Venus of Willendorf” ? You kept the level of the posts high until now, keep it that way, please.
Judging by his spurious figures and claims, Pachauri, like the caveman, probably thinks 6×9=42.
(Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy joke)
Halfwise (09:53:33) :
I am keen to see the mass delusion / collective exaggeration / unmerited power grab that is AGW relentlessly debunked and exposed.
On the ad hominem stuff, not so much. Can’t get behind this sort of posting, satire or not.
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If people keep misusing the term ‘ad hominem’, it will wind up useless when it actually is appropriate.
The latest Times Online article has made it to Google News (scroll down to Sci/Tech section).
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn
Thats a south-east england accent !
So most americans cant tell that an english accent from an australian huh ? – well, I shouldnt complain, most brits and aussies cant tell an american accent from a canadian !
OK, I’m back up in my chair – but still laughing.
First of all, this is not funny – – – OK, I’m back in my chair again.
Secondly, this is totally unfair – – – to the guy on the right. His ancestors survived the last ice age and he has the only accurate temp records for the last 20,000 years. – – – OK, I’m back in my chair again!
Thirdly, this is totally unfair to the guy on the – – – right, because he actually understands the GEICO message. Dr. Pachauri has no clue – – – well, about anything and certainly not about his repugnant actions! And I for one am NOT laughing – – – well, all right I am, but what I now find funny, is that anyone, anywhere would find it surprising there are nothing but a bunch of cavemen working at the UN – – – wait, I’m falling off my chair again…… LOL!
There is no need to get personal in this matter.
and the UN should shut up on scientific issues and focus on international politics.
Please no. Haven’t they caused enough trouble?
Give them just very simple-concept and restricted tasks. For example, 1 – improve the supply of safe water, and 2 – provide health training and needs, and 3 – pick one for yourself
Nonoy Oplas (09:54:06) : “…and the UN should shut up on scientific issues and focus on international politics.”
Riiiiiiight. Because stuff like “peacekeeping” is what they’re good at. 🙂
Halfwise (09:53:33) : “On the ad hominem stuff, not so much. Can’t get behind this sort of posting, satire or not.”
Climate “science” today is less about science and more about politics. Ridicule is a potent political weapon, and one the alarmists have used on skeptics unmercifully.
Rajendra “voodoo science” Pachauri is hoist on his own canard.
The IPCC is finally being revealed as the political body it is, not the scientific organization it pretended to be. There have been signs before that the IPCC’s credibility was suspect, such as the inclusion of the hockey-stick graph and their heavy reliance on computer modeling. However until now they have been able to maintain the look of a scientific organization, their (dubious) claim of ‘thousands of scientists’ caused many to trust implicitly. The recent revelations have removed the scientific sheep’s clothing from the wolf, and his deceptive intent is laid bare.
http://climatequotes.com/2010/01/24/the-ipcc-meltdown-and-what-it-reveals-part-i/
Now I’m curious: does Geico sell climate insurance?
Opps, my apologies to the guy on the right for that last comment about who works at the UN. We know they are not nearly as intelligent as you.
This is even funnier, Adds by Google just served a Geico car insurance ad.
Keep up the good work Anthony
Actually, the Geico Gecko predates the “It’s so easy” Cavemen by years. It was one of their, if not the, first TV advertising campaigns. The gecko started off as receiving wrong number phone calls for Geico and reaching Gecko. Eventually, the advertising changed for him to become an employee of the insurance company.
Since the first, Geico has never stopped running Gecko ads, even when they have been running other advertising efforts such as the Cavemen and their midly humorous-to-dumb “I’ve got good news” campaign where someone starts off with I’ve got good news and proceeds to deliver bad news. When called on it, the first responds, “Oh, I just saved 15% by switching to Geico.”
Seriously, I think this is not much fun. Criticise the man for what he does, that is more than enough. I would like to see him resign, and I don’t think this helps.
I agree with HalfWise. Speaking as someone with a rather ugly mug myself, we don’t need to pile on Pachauri because of his looks. His actions are ugly enough.
Geoffry Lean, the father of environmental reporting (40 years) Goodness gracious
Please note the comments under Mr.Lean’s item.
He is a warmist,an appologist for UEA and CRU and there are constant calls for him to pack up and stop pushing the IPCC agenda. The Item quoted is the first one in which he has criticised the alarmist faction.
Now, now. Very funny indeed, but I have been snipped here in the past for making similar Rajendra comparisons. I guess if mom and dad can do it, it doesn’t mean the kids can, too. Double standard!!!!!
I suggest it’s time you conduct a fun contest for what the acronym TERI really means:
A few suggestions:
Tricky Evasive Rich Indian
Terrify Earthlings Ridiculous Imagery
Teach Evil Rabid Information
I’d say that the gecko has an east end of Luhhhndn (London) accent maybe even approaching the estuary strain on the way to Essex. Certainly not ‘strine. The rest of us in the sarfeest speak much more proper like.
Those Geico commercials were REALLY annoying. Pachauri is REALLY annoying. He’s also fugly and painful to look at. Very few people would deny these facts. He’s in desperate need of a John Kerry style botox makeover.
The part that amused me most was the auto-generated “possibly related posts” section that seems to agree with everything I just stated:
* Haruhi wig styling
* Ewww!
* Laser Treatment #1
Um… If Pachauri is wearing a wig then he seriously needs to demand a FULL refund.
@Mike D. (10:47:45) :
It’s not about being funny or not. The CO2 fundamentalists already have the high ground (the gov. and international institutions), so the competition is one for credibility not one for arguments, though arguments help if you have credibility. Making fun of their facial hair does not help much with being persuasive.
The Gekko originally had a strong cockney accent.
Apparently, too much of an accent for US viewers, so it has been “moderated” such that he now sounds like any random member of the unwashed masses of SE of England.
Or, at least what a US advertising agency thinks they sound like.
Sort of like the fake UK accents you hear on BBC America (which make me cringe) — presumably the unions wan a US citizen to have the job.
Once when we were in England, a taxi driver asked my husband if we were from Australia. I am from the western US, my husband is from the southeastern US (southern drawl, yawl). So it’s not just Americans who can’t discern accents.
REPLY: That and I have about an 80% hearing loss. – Anthony
Oliver Ramsay (10:13:56) :
If people keep misusing the term ‘ad hominem’, it will wind up useless when it actually is appropriate.
What did I miss? Or misuse? Or (mirabile dictu) would my comment have actually been an appropriate use of the term and it is others in the platoon who are out of step? I have always thought that ad hom arguments were defined by the introduction of some irrelevant personal feature into the debate. Pachauri’s physical appearance may limit the number of his admirers to, perhaps, his mother, but it does not signify in the debate. But if you are saying that attacking the man for his deeds is fair game, I agree 100%. I just would not term that ‘ad hominem’.
Gary Hladik (10:23:42) : As to the politics of climate science and the necessity of satire, we should just mock the so-called science. That, my friend, is one target-rich environment.
Carsten Arnholm, Norway (10:38:17) :
“Criticise the man for what he does . . .”
Fair enough.
So what has the man done? Does what he has done warrant ridicule? Or would prosecution be justified?
I favor the second, but doubt, this early in the process, that there is enough evidence to convict him of any criminal offense – Politician lie every day and make shady, but marginally legal, backroom deals that benefit them, friends and families.
Since option two is not currently available, ridicule is appropriate. Comparing him to an imaginary character is not unacceptable.
Humour is one of the most devastating forms of criticism. Laughter will serve to drive these charlatans from power faster than any reasoned logic.
Once the stand-up comics start on the AGWs then the battle is almost over.
@Halfwise:
“I have always thought that ad hom arguments were defined by the introduction of some irrelevant personal feature into the debate.”
Exactly, and because the Geico caveman post is immediately preceded by the disclaimer “On the silly side…”, it should be abundantly self-evident that it was neither meant to be an argument nor a debate. That is why your claim of this being an “ad hominem” is simply false. Satire at the expense of a public official (particularly a political appointee) is comic relief, not an ad hominem attack.
[sorry, we don’t link the Hitler videos here]
27 years ago I grew a beard. Wife & kids implored me to shave it. I did. They then implored me to grow it back. I complied (keep it trimmed, unlike the victim of this story) because some of us look better with part of our face covered. This may be true of Pauchari, but it’s obvious he wants to keep the unkempt professor look. Sign of laziness if you ask me. Which may be the root of his attitude with the IPCC.
The first time I saw a picture of that fraud, all I could think is “looks like they sent him down from central casting”.
The Geico guy has better hair.
I think this article is completely unacceptable. It has been long been said on this blog, and on others, that ad hominem attacks are not proper in serious discussions on science, and criticisms have been levelled here at Mann, Schmidt, Hansen etc. for doing just that.
Now this blog is stooping down to the same level. Shame on you.
And if you can’t see that comparing the chairman of a large international body to a caveman is not a gross insult, then I don’t know what to think.
REPLY:
I understand your point, but I didn’t make the comparison, another blog call “I hate the media” did and I pointed it out.
Tell you what though, if you get Dr. Pachauri to apologize for using the word “deniers” such as in this piece from the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/jan/04/climate-change-delay-denial
…I’ll pull the piece.
To paraphrase, ‘if you can’t see that comparing the international body of skeptics to “holocaust deniers” is not a gross insult, then I don’t know what to think. ‘
Besides, I’ve defended many times in comments against ad homs on Dr. Pachauri, snipping them, however satire (and that is what this is) is fair game.
– Anthony
[snip ]
Rajenda Pachauri is toast.
His resignation is just a matter of when, not if.
Pachauri is politically radioactive.
And since the IPCC is all about politics — generating political pressure:
His usefullness is over — put a fork in him, he’s done.
maybe warren buffet will give WUWT a donation for all the free advertisement?
after all:
GEICO is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, Inc.
Actually, it would appear to me that Pachauri is trying to effect the “Bagwan” look. Similar type characters it seems as well. Wonder if Pachauri has a fleet of 90 Rolls Royces stashed somewhere near Antelope, Oregon?
Haha Australian or British. I thought everyone could tell those apart. I’m Australian and I’m telling you we sound nothing like that. Although I can’t distinguish the Canadian and US accents which sound similar so that’s probably the same thing.
” John F. Hultquist (10:23:04) :
and the UN should shut up on scientific issues and focus on international politics.
Please no. Haven’t they caused enough trouble?
Give them just very simple-concept and restricted tasks. For example, 1 – improve the supply of safe water, and 2 – provide health training and needs, and 3 – pick one for yourself”
The UN is the most corrupt, dysfunctional NGO on Earth. We will be better off if its is disbanded ASAP.
Lord Monckton is to be interviewed by Alan Jones (Sydney’s No 1 shock jock) after 7am Sydney time – i.e in around 15mins
http://www.2gb.com/listenlive/wmp_stream.php
I don’t think drawing attention to Pachauri’s mug is very appealing. That’s how everyone of us would look if we let beards grow. That is how people from India look like. 🙂
The man is articulate, well-dressed, well connected and a Nobel Prize winner.
If Pachauri should be stepping down, it should be because of numerous conflicts of interest dealings, rather than due to Glaciergate.
If the IPCC gets caught with its pants down, who else but Pachauri will take it on the chin? Certainly not climate scientists like Susan ‘Ozone Hole’ Solomon – Lead Author of Technical Summary WG I, who is said to be next in line for the Nobel Prize. Not Michael Mann flush with stimulus funds, another IPCC lead author of yore. All the warmist scientist-activists will retract their claws, put their heads down and keep digging if we scapegoat Pachauri for scientific errors.
I just find it counterproductive to ridicule the man because of his looks, and it triggers my ethics alarm too.
Ridicule the man for what he says or what he does, no problem with that. Ridicule is a legitimate and powerful weapon when used properly, but it can backfire when used inappropriately.
I have no problem with ridicule in general. For example the “I will float much higher” quote was very funny indeed.
“It is time for the embattled Rajendra Pachauri to resign as Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC)…”
Lean blew that acronym. How?
Jarryd Beck (11:43:49) :
“I can’t distinguish the Canadian and US accents . . .”
I have lived about half my adult life equally in both the US and Canada and I can assure you that there is a distinct Canadian accent, but only French Canadians speak it – in French.
Newfoundlanders have at least two distinct accents – Townie and Back Bay. I would not call Newfoundlanders Canadian though in a strict sense. Most Canadians think of Newfoundlanders as quasi foreigners and most Newfoundlanders think of Canadians in much the same way.
The best way to think of it is that Canadians speak standard North American English without a regional accent. This is why Canadians do so well as news readers in the US.
Geoffrey Lean’s article claiming that Asia was turning to desert and that the great rivers were drying up could only be written by a scientific ignoramus. River flow isn’t due to net glacier melt, and if it were then glacial refreeze would cause the effects he’s in hysteria about, not glacial melt. What a dope.
GEICO – Government Employees Insurance Company.
Stephen Brown (11:08:09) :
Humour is one of the most devastating forms of criticism. Laughter will serve to drive these charlatans from power faster than any reasoned logic.
Once the stand-up comics start on the AGWs then the battle is almost over.
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/120348/detail/
Check the survey at 17 minutes-in Penn and Teller’s hilarious “Being Green” episode.
India continues to report on Pachauri:
Did ‘Himalayan blunder’ help TERI get lucrative grants?
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times Delhi, January 24, 2010
Speculating on how the caveman interview might pan out:
Not funny. It’s extremely important to make the skeptical argument, which I believe to be true. Part of that might be pointing out conflicts of interest, etc. but ad hominem, low-brow attacks like this are not only unnecessary, they can easily be used to paint you as irrelevant hicks. Why do this?
REPLY: I carried the Climatgate video right after the CRU emails were made public, it was also satire and had visual “ad homs” if you will. Not a lot of complaints about that one and it depicted Dr. Michael Mann, Al Gore, and Dr. Phil Jones in similar situations. Like I said in an earlier comment, I’ll be happy to pull this entry if Dr. Pachauri will apologize for using the term “deniers”. – A
To me, Canadians sound similar to Minnesotans, eh?
Keep the Lame Duck right where he’s at.
the Incredible Pachauri Climate Choo-choo… pretty hard to top a circus act like that. He’ll be melting around the mountain when he comes.
Really. I can’t think of a better way to repay someone who cries wolf than to make him simmer in his own doings.
Geoffrey Lean is not, as a rule, to be taken seriously, as a couple of previous comments have pointed out, and his calls for Pachauri’s resignation are motivated solely by the damage he is doing to the warmist cause. So no-one should get too excited about his article.
As a Midwesterner, I have difficulty hearing a Canadian accent except as follows:
Car broken down, Alberta, side of road. Flag down RCMP. Mountie says, “What’s this, a boat?” “No, it’s a car and it’s broken.”
Jarryd Beck (11:43:49) :
Haha Australian or British. I thought everyone could tell those apart. I’m Australian and I’m telling you we sound nothing like that. Although I can’t distinguish the Canadian and US accents which sound similar so that’s probably the same thing.
and
Doug in Seattle (12:06:49) :
I have lived about half my adult life equally in both the US and Canada and I can assure you that there is a distinct Canadian accent, but only French Canadians speak it – in French.
Newfoundlanders have at least two distinct accents – Townie and Back Bay. I would not call Newfoundlanders Canadian though in a strict sense. Most Canadians think of Newfoundlanders as quasi foreigners and most Newfoundlanders think of Canadians in much the same way.
The best way to think of it is that Canadians speak standard North American English without a regional accent. This is why Canadians do so well as news readers in the US.
Say what? Both of these comments would be pure hogwash. Canadians don’t think of Newfies as foreigners, although some Newfies do.
Canada does have accents and dialects. Natives (not First Nations) of southern Ontario speak what is called the Midland dialect. THe US, however has a much wider range of accents I suspect than either Canada or Britain. I can readily sort out the regional origins of a great many Americans, even so much as to sort out whether someone is from western New York state or New York City. Its been observed that the explanation for the extensive collection of accents is that Americans didn’t travel much in the first 200 years, leading to a degree of linguistic isolation, pretty much making a resident of Shenandoah almost unintelligible to the rest of the US… LOL!
Canadian Mao Stlong speak mandalin: AGW biggy scam.
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“Xie’s comments caused consternation at the end of the post-meeting press conference, with his host, the Indian environment minister, Jairam Ramesh, attempting to play down any suggestions of dissent over the science of climate change.
Ramesh refused to accept China had stepped out of line, although he conceded: “We still need more science to understand whether global warming is causing glacial melt or whether it is the natural cycles.”
Responding to a question about the controversy over the melting of Himalayan glaciers and to fresh doubts cast on the link between global warming and extreme weather events, Xie said there were still “disputes” in the scientific community over the causes.
“Now the mainstream view is according to the review reports by the IPCC,” he said. “There is one starkly different view, that the climate change or climate warming issues is caused by the cyclical element of nature itself. I think we need to adopt an open attitude to the scientific research, that we need to have as inclusive as possible all kinds of views concerning this aspect, because we want our views to be more scientific and to be more consistent.”
Asked later to clarify his remarks, he said: “It is already a solid fact that the climate is already warming. The scientists have already shown that te global climate is warming.
“Due to the climate change influences, the countries that have been actively impacted most are those developing countries, in particular those small island countries. And the major reason of this climate change issue is the unconstrained emissions produced by developed countries in the process of their industrialisation. That is the mainstream view and we need to make responses concerning these views. There are some uncertain views but our attitude is open, that we need to have more studies. But this shall not impede our efforts in combating the climate change.”
“Climate change: Chinese adviser calls for open mind on causes
China’s most senior negotiator on climate change says more research needed to establish whether warming is man-made”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/24/china-climate-change-adviser
Pachauri should not resign. He is the top manager of the IPCC and he should manage the wind down of the operation. He should be the one to turn off the lights after everyone is gone.
I appreciate those who are attempting to limit the debate to facts, and not name calling. That ship sailed long ago though. Skeptics are consistently labeled as deniers who don’t even have the ability of a caveman to interpret the ‘real’ science. A poke back is fair game.
No chance of them using a lizard. Al Gore needs all available lizards for “Snake Oil Extender”
Sadly Geoffrey Lean himself just doesn’t get it. He and his ilk ought to be out of a job. They’ve puffed this nonsense for years.
Mark (10:16:46) : :”…most brits and aussies cant tell an american accent from a canadian !”
Maybe that’s because Canadians are Americans, eh?
That glottal stop has to be English, London, probably south of the river
In challenging Pachauri on the facts, be prepared for warmists any day now to aggressively counter by slinging accusations of racism.
After all, it’s the liberal way.
Anand Rajan KD (11:51:03) : “…If the IPCC gets caught with its pants down, who else but Pachauri will take it on the chin? Certainly not…Susan ‘Ozone Hole’ Solomon…Michael Mann….All the warmist scientist-activists will retract their claws, put their heads down and keep digging if we scapegoat Pachauri for scientific errors.”
Good comment. I agree, Anand. (Except the first part about Indians looking like Rajendra Pachauri. Most Indians are much better looking, bearded or not.) Namaste!
jorgekafkazar (13:37:41) :
Mark (10:16:46) : :”…most brits and aussies cant tell an american accent from a canadian !”
Maybe that’s because Canadians are Americans, eh?
Well, the way to tell us apart is to say that to a Canadian…
Choo-Choo interviewed: AGW designed/built by a committee of “over 4,000 people”.
Does that make Choo-Choo a camel jockey or a mahout?
Choo-Choo says:
“The skeptics want to continue with their lifestyle and ruin the environment. My conscience does not allow it. As Al Gore says, it is an inconvenient truth.”
“Over 4,000 people are involved in an IPCC report. For the fourth assessment report, there were 450 authors, 800 contributing authors and 2,500 expert reviewers.”
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“‘It’s a mistake, but glacier melting is real’
Q&A: R K Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Kalpana Jain / New Delhi January 24, 2010, 0:44 IST
The chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, R K Pachauri, tells Kalpana Jain that the glacier melting report was a mistake but that does not detract from the fact that glaciers are melting
How big do you consider the goof-up on dates (of glaciers melting) and will it change the ongoing climate change talks?
We realised it was a mistake and stated that very clearly in a statement. I don’t want to minimise the mistake itself. But in no way does it detract from reality — that there is widespread mass loss of glaciers.
We have said this clearly in our synthesis report, which is the last of the four documents we bring out as part of an assessment report. This error was not there in the synthesis report. But we had a very clear statement on climate change.
What is the synthesis report and how widely is it circulated?
The synthesis report is the last of the documents. It is the most widely-read report, meant for policy-makers. We have three working group reports — each of them about 3,000 pages. The synthesis report takes the essence of all these three reports and presents them in a manner that is readable for policy makers.
It is interesting that the synthesis report does not pick up this point, which seems to have emerged as an important point in the fourth assessment report.
I’ll tell you why. That is because mention of disappearance by 2035 is something that IPCC, as a style, never promotes. All our future projections are exactly what they are supposed to be — projections. We provide a range. We provide a scenario. We never say something will happen by so and so date.
The environment minister, Jairam Ramesh, has called the contents of the IPCC report “voodoo science”
I would much rather not comment on it. He has been a friend of mine for over 30 years. He is a friend today. I hope he remains a friend.
The lead author of the Asia section of the report, Prof Murari Lal, said IPCC changed rules for the fourth assessment report to include non-peer-reviewed literature. Is that so?
That’s not true. It wasn’t the first time. It is there in the established procedures of IPCC that we can use non-peer-reviewed literature, what we call grey literature. It is there on our website. Where we use grey literature, we are required to closely check sources and verify the authenticity of our information. That’s where the failure took place. That should never have happened.
What is the process of choosing authors?
Over 4,000 people are involved in an IPCC report. For the fourth assessment report, there were 450 authors, 800 contributing authors and 2,500 expert reviewers.” (more)
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/%5Cit%5Csmistakeglacier-melting-is-real%5C/383467/
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi
“maz2 (14:10:45) :
Choo-Choo interviewed: AGW designed/built by a committee of “over 4,000 people”.
[…]
[Pachauri]: “I’ll tell you why. That is because mention of disappearance by 2035 is something that IPCC, as a style, never promotes. All our future projections are exactly what they are supposed to be — projections. We provide a range. We provide a scenario. We never say something will happen by so and so date.”
Exact verbiage from IPCC AR4 at
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch10s10-6-2.html
:
“Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world (see Table 10.9) and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate. Its total area will likely shrink from the present 500,000 to 100,000 km2 by the year 2035 (WWF, 2005).”
REPLY: I carried the Climatgate video right after the CRU emails were made public, it was also satire and had visual “ad homs” if you will. Not a lot of complaints about that one and it depicted Dr. Michael Mann, Al Gore, and Dr. Phil Jones in similar situations. Like I said in an earlier comment, I’ll be happy to pull this entry if Dr. Pachauri will apologize for using the term “deniers”. – A
I guess my point is that I’m not exactly Brad Pitt, myself. I would hope that people would base their evaluation of my opinions on their merits, or lack thereof, rather than on how I look. The skeptical (denialist in some quarters) point of view is better represented by the usual fact-based articles on this site and this just hits me as being kind of sleazy. Just my opinion, but this rates with objecting to Obama’s policies based on his complexion.
nice videos
The gekko is a Cockney. But please, let’s not lower ourselves to schoolboy humour about people’s appearances. It detracts from the seriousness of what’s going on here and makes us look like playground bullies.
Paul Coppin (12:48:28) :
…leading to a degree of linguistic isolation, pretty much making a resident of Shenandoah almost unintelligible to the rest of the US… LOL!
What are you talking about? Shenanadoah pops up in the local TV news often and their residents are very much intelligible (excluding a few non-native speakers). Sure some “regional” words may get used, like a “berm” being the edge of a road, but that’s across the state. There’s no communication issue with that.
People seem to make too much of a fuss about these things. When I think of the times ABC and PBS have provided “English subtitles” for someone whom some may have trouble fully understanding but are understandable to me, yet other times the viewers are expected to understand people with thick foreign accents or noticeable speech impediments without such aids, possibly because the speakers may be “offended” by the idea that their speech may be hard to follow… Ugh.
Great Work! Science should be scientific – not politically scientific…
– 10% of my profits are donated to truly conservative causes and candidates.
My various commercial policies also refer to acts of God. I suspect that clause must be re written to “acts of deniers”
@ Dan C. (12:24:38) :
Dan C. (14:32:48) :
IMO, in your backhanded way you have called us, low-brow’s, hicks, denialist, sleazy and racist.
we must be winning!!
Maybe the “separated at birth” running joke is an American thing? I view it as harmless fun.
http://www.faniq.com/blog.php?id=20037&page=2
Some fine magazines and newspapers carry political cartoons, the use thereof having been thoroughly discussed. I believe this post fits the concept so try this – search with the following terms
ethics OR justification OR purpose “political cartoons”
Using Google, this just gave 136,000 results. Read about one percent of these and then return with a well reasoned summary and support of your contention that this post is inappropriate – if you still feel so.
My, My, that Gecko is cute! the accent is what we in England call “mockney”, the same one used by Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins, almost Cockney.
On the issue of Professor Pachauri, I hope he hangs on as long as possible.
The man is the best thing that could happen to the IPCC and the whole alarmist brigade, the more noise he makes the more ridiculous they look.
Three cheers for professor Pachauri, I say.
It’s so easy even a caveman could do it, but Pachauri can’t — he can’t say “I lied”, or “I’m sorry”, or “I don’t understand science”, or even “I have a low carbon footprint”.
Gary Hladik (10:23:42) :
Rajendra “voodoo science” Pachauri is hoist on his own canard.
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He did what? With a duck? This is going to be News of the World material before we know it.
Perhaps the word you were looking for is petard? 😉
Dan C. et al: Chill out. It’s not as if he can’t afford a hair stylist. A case can be made that Lord Monckton looks like the Gecko, but at least he is well groomed.
Jez Booker (09:54:36) :
& East London! NOT Victoria docks way like where East Enders is supposed to be, more New Cross, Sarf of the river!
DaveE.
tallbloke (10:10:52) :
I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong with the Universe! 😉
DaveE.
Is that some sort of neo-skunk thing going on with his beard?
Halfwise (10:58:24) : “As to the politics of climate science and the necessity of satire, we should just mock the so-called science. That, my friend, is one target-rich environment.”
We have a politician/businessman masquerading as a scientist and making “scientific” pronouncements that are in fact nothing more than propaganda. He defends his snake oil with vicious slurs and then cries foul when his lies are exposed and ridiculed. Some old saying about pots and kettles comes to mind here…somebody help me out?
Ad-hominem has been the most successful tactic of the AGW Gang-Green advance!
Where’s the problem?
DaveE.
I always thought the gecko voice was Aussie, but apparently I was wrong
http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/2006/geico-gecko-voiced-by-jake-wood/
Paddy (11:44:30) :
“The UN is the most corrupt, dysfunctional NGO on Earth. We will be better off if its is disbanded ASAP.”
I hear that Dubai wants them.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/dubai-the-fatwa-experts-ready-to-host-un-headquarters/
Let them have ’em, I say. And good riddance.
But, then again….
@ Halfwise,
If this mockery had been presented as an earnest attempt to invalidate an argument in a debate, it would have been ad hominem, but that really isn’t what’s happening here.
Firstly, there was the disclaimer “…on the silly side…”, then, there’s the fact that there isn’t a debate; denizens of this blog have clamoured for a debate, but there has been nothing but disdainful dismissal from the people on the other side. Any headway that has been made has not come from reasoned argument, but from a (very, very) happy coincidence of fortune and perseverance.
There are very worthwhile dollops of debate that do happen here; Joel Shore and Nick Stokes step gamely into the ring, and Leif, Bob Tisdale, Tallbloke and Stephen Wilde… Willis… okay, I should never have started with names, but the blog is not solely engaged in debate.
If you find this post a little tacky, then I agree, but it’s also pretty funny, and I actually like both the caveman’s and Pauchari’s eccentric appearance.
( I prefer the caveman’s attitude towards BS).
Bulldust (16:31:02) :
Gary Hladik (10:23:42) :
Rajendra “voodoo science” Pachauri is hoist on his own canard.
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He did what? With a duck? This is going to be News of the World material before we know it.
Perhaps the word you were looking for is petard? 😉
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Sorry, Bulldust, but Gary was wittier than you appreciated!
Gecko = Bill Kristol of Fox News. The picture even has his seat position.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/aboutus/bio_kristol.asp
Alan S: You should hear the names and bad words my husband calls out when people who try to mimic his accent. The American southeast has a proud drawl, yawl. Cat on a Hot Tin Roof is not one of his favorite movies. Of course I tease him and remind him that we won.
Gary Hladik (17:10:47) : pots and kettles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black
This is worth a look. An alternative idea and a 8 line poem.
janama (10:22:19) :
“There is no need to get personal in this matter.”
Someone lies to and about me, tries to steal my money and restrict my freedom so he can be my master and I his slave. That’s as personal as it gets.
And, although mockery is by itself a “logical fallacy,” it is perfectly justified:
a) once it’s established that someone is a charlatan, and…
b) when, after having been exposed, they persist in their ruse.
Those criminals deserve a lot worse than mockery, as in never being allowed in those professions again, and/or incarceration.
yonason (20:26:01) : I agree completely. Great post.
April E. Coggins (19:59:07) :
“Of course I tease him and remind him that we won”
Did we…..really?
Hallo Anthony,
Thanks for replying to my post.
>I understand your point, but I didn’t make the comparison, another blog call “I hate the media” did and I pointed it out.
— I *personally* think that repeating such things on a high profile blog is also not on, but OK, it’s your blog.
>Tell you what though, if you get Dr. Pachauri to apologize …
–That’s a good idea. I’ll send him an Email today and let you know what reply I get.
>To paraphrase, ‘if you can’t see that comparing the international body of skeptics to “holocaust deniers” is not a gross insult, then I don’t know what to think. ‘
— I agree with you. I’m not actually a supporter of Dr Pachauri and I hope that he does in fact resign over this Glaciergate thing.
>Besides, I’ve defended many times in comments against ad homs on Dr. Pachauri, snipping them, however satire (and that is what this is) is fair game.
— If the guys at realclimate posted a picture of Steve McIntyre (just as an example) next to a picture of a caveman, would you also accept that as satire? And would you expect no criticisms to be made at realclimate about the comparison?
Hallo Anthony,
well I put my money where my mouth is:
“Dear Dr Pachauri,
(…) Furthermore the use of terminology such as “denier” (used by yourself in this article in the Guardian newspaper: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/jan/04/climate-change-delay-denial) to describe scientists who are following the well known procedures and ethics of their profession, is to be abhorred. I would appreciate your statement about whether you intend to continue using such a term of abuse,
With best regards,”
Let’s see if I get a reply … I’m not holding my breath in anticipation, though
The accent of the lizard is definitely suvvern Inglish, not quite sarf Lahndahn.
Comment from an English satirist. http://saxontimes.blogspot.com/2010/01/adopt-pachauri.html
Whatever it takes to stop economy destroying NGOs from implementing their political schemes.
I loved the gekko the cavemen and all the others Milk and cookies had me rolling round, I have sent the link all over.
I reckon Pachauri deserves some flack , his holier than thou attitude, as well as Goracles has given me the irrits for ages.
his canard is.. smoked:-) I hope he enjoys the Carbon.
Absolutely hilarious.
None of those pics have been altered in any way and are commonly seen on the internet/television. So being “offended” by simply putting them side-by-side (originally by another blog) seems to indicate personal issues rather than a problem w/WUWT.
Lighten up.
The Geko is speaking with an Pommy accent…
Jeez mate, this is embarrassing…. Aussie’s being confused with Poms…. Look, here is a phonetic example of Australian’s speaking.
‘strine….. that is how the word “Australian” is pronounced in Australia……. ‘strine.
eggnishnor…. Air conditioner.
Iconardlywait….. I can hardly wait.
Eichenardlybleevit….. He can hardly believe it.
Eediddit withoutretrine…. He did it without really trying.
YagunnagodaMairlbenfreester?….. You going to go to Melbourne for Easter?
To form a picture in you mind of an Australian speaker…. Think of a baritone chipmunk, on caffeine, speaking English…. Only quicker 🙂