From the “weather is not climate department” and the High Springs Florida Herald, a story of record length of subfreezing cold in Florida.
Excerpts:
Assessing the full damage to many crops will not be known for several weeks.
Branford/Fort White area fish farmer Dave Walen farms native fish that will not die as a result of the cold, but his business is still being affected by the cold.
That’s because the fish have settled deep in the lime rock pit he uses to farm the fish, and he cannot reach them. He doesn’t know when they will decide to swim close enough to the surface to catch.
“We have orders for fish that we can’t fulfill – orders since before Christmas,” Walen said. “The cold stops everything.”
As of Wednesday, Jan. 13, the area has experienced 12 consecutive days of below freezing temperatures — a new record.
National Weather Service Meteorologist Jason Hess said that it’s the length of the cold that is most significant.
“This is the longest stretch ever in 100 years of record keeping.”
A new daily record low temperature was set Sunday, Jan. 11, in the Crescent Communities, with the area reaching 17 degrees.
Since the beginning of January, temperatures have remained more than 20 degrees below normal. Temperatures normally should be up in the 60s during the day and the 40s at night, Hess said.
Recently, the highs have been in the 40s and the lows in the 20s.
Full story here
The NWS Public Information Statement from WSFO Jacksonville:
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL 815 AM EST THU JAN 14 2010 ...RECORD BREAKING COLD SPELL SLOWLY COMES TO AN END... AS OF TODAY...THURSDAY JANUARY 14TH...THERE HAVE BEEN 13 CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITH MINIMUM TEMPERATURES LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 32 DEGREES AT ALMA GEORGIA AND GAINESVILLE FLORIDA AND 12 DAYS AT SAINT SIMONS ISLAND GEORGIA WITH THE STREAKS STILL IN TACT. THIS SETS NEW RECORDS AT GAINESVILLE FLORIDA AS WELL AS ST SIMONS ISLAND AND ALMA GEORGIA FOR CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITH MINIMUM TEMPERATURES AT OR BELOW FREEZING. THEY ARE NOW LISTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PRODUCT. THE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE AT JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA LAST FRIDAY ONLY REACHED 34 DEGREES...ENDING THEIR STREAK OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS AT 32 OR BELOW AT 6. ALTHOUGH THE RECORD OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF 32 OR BELOW WAS NOT MET AT JACKSONVILLE...A NEW RECORD FOR CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF 34 DEGREES OR BELOW CONTINUES...AND NOW STANDS AT 13 DAYS FROM JANUARY 2ND THROUGH THE 14TH. THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 9 CONSECUTIVE DAYS WERE SET IN JANUARY 2001 AND JANUARY 1977. THE MOST RECENT EVENT WITH SUCH LONG LASTING COLD TEMPERATURES WAS IN THE WINTER OF 2000-2001 WHEN A WEEK LONG PERIOD OF SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES WAS SEEN FROM LATE DECEMBER INTO EARLY JANUARY. WITH THE ARCTIC AIRMASS MODIFYING OVER THE REGION...TONIGHT WILL SEE MINIMUM TEMPERATURES IN THE MIDDLE 30S TO MIDDLE 40S ACROSS MOST OF THE REGION...ALTHOUGH A FEW COLDER LOCATIONS ACROSS INLAND SOUTHEAST GEORGIA MAY FALL TO NEAR FREEZING. THE RECORDS FOR CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITH 32 DEGREES OR LESS AT LOCAL CLIMATE SITES ARE LISTED BELOW... JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA...8 DAYS...JANUARY 17-24, 1977 OLD...GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA...9 DAYS...DECEMBER 16-24, 1960 NEW...GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA...13 DAYS...JANUARY 2-14, 2010 OLD...ALMA, GEORGIA...11 DAYS...DECEMBER 16-26, 1960 NEW...ALMA, GEORGIA...13 DAYS...JANUARY 2-14, 2010 OLD...ST SIMONS ISLAND, GEORGIA...8 DAYS...DEC 29 TO JAN 5, 2001 NEW...ST SIMONS ISLAND, GEORGIA...12 DAYS...JAN 3-14, 2010 $$ HESS/DEESE
And something equally unique, freezing fog in Florida as reported by NWS Jacksonville:
Freezing Fog Event: January 14, 2010
Angie Enyedi, NWS Jacksonville
An unusual freezing fog event happened this morning across portions of the Jacksonville County Warning Area (CWA). Freezing fog is defined as a suspension of numerous minute ice crystals in the air, or water droplets at temperatures below 0 ° C, based at the Earth’s surface, which reduces horizontal visibility. Freezing fog is also called ice fog.
This morning a ridge of high pressure was centered over coastal South Carolina and coastal Southeast Georgia. A light and shallow northeast flow filtered over much of the Jacksonville CWA around this ridge. The moist and stable layer extended to about 400 feet above ground level (Figure 1, 12Z KJAX Sounding), then the airmass was significantly drier however strong subsidence remained in place.
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Temperatures fell below freezing around midnight at the Jacksonville International Airport (JIA). The ambient temperature was around 32 ° F and dew point 31 ° F. Through 8 am local time (about 9 hours), the temperature at JIA remained below freezing with dew point depressions of only 1 ° F. Calm winds and passing thin cirrus allowed almost ideal radiational cooling conditions to much of the CWA.
Freezing fog was reported from Alma, Georgia to Gainesville, Florida. Much of the observations were reported across northwest Duval County where moderate moisture advection combined with cold temperatures (Figure 2, MSAS surface analysis).
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Sometimes freezing fog can settle on surfaces and create ice patches. A special weather statement was issued early this morning to alert motorists of this potential hazard.
I think my dreams of one day owning an Orange grove up here in Canuckistan are ended. I was planning on turning my outdoor rink area into an orange cash crop.
I was so hoping the global warming thingy was real.
OT: Great post by Pielke Sr about the Menne paper…
We are awaiting anthony’s blast…
Boy did I time that cruise right! But on return, I lost my backyard citrus trees here is Tampakistan.
Our cold snap in the UK is just coming to an end and the BBC global weather forecasts imply, rightly or wrongly, that Florida will warm up in the next 5 days.
Any linkages there or just a fluke this year??
Fred, your disappointment is shared on the other side of the pond. The Guardian promised that England would become a Mediterranean climate.
According to Monbiot, frequent cold spells are weather – but rare warm spells are climate. Last warm spell was seven years ago, in 2003.
Time to migrate southwards ducks!.
Surprising quote “This is the longest stretch ever in 100 years of record keeping.”
That’s the problem!, you didn’ t hide the decline as ordered !
We are having trouble financing our banana plantation in Colorado.
I red where some consider the cooling caused by warming created the earthquake. I do examine voodoo in Haiti is similar to voodoo in the CAGW hysteria.
“This is the longest stretch ever in 100 years of record keeping.”
Who’s record keeping? Hasn’t anyone tried to reconstruct the historical temperatures in Florida? There must be a few records, a tree they could core, or a stalactite they could dissect. Having based the world’s liberty and well-being on a tree in Siberia maybe there ought to be at least one effort to compare the results to a place such as Florida.
Global warming will cause scorching temperatures, which is caused by man changing the climate!!!! Except for when it doesn’t when it is overrun by weather.
Global warming will cause ice to be a thing of the past, because we will have a new climate!!! Except for the occasional freeze, which is just natural variation.
Global warming will lead to hardships for many in Peru, where they are freezing to death because all the warmth is migrating south to Bolivia!!! These extreme weather events will become more common in a warmer world!!! And more will perish at the hands of ice and fire!!! Doom, I say!!!
DOOM!!!!
–End sarcastic soothsaying–
Fred from Canuckistan . . . (10:10:00) :
Come to the West Coast… it’s steaming here!!!
I used to cave dive up in the Branford/High Springs area a lot a couple of decades ago. Great caves and springs, and we always dove in winter there, mainly because it was the place to go get wet when the ocean was too rough and cold during winter. I’ve never seen it this cold for as long a time as this year.
The 72 deg spring water sure feels warm to you when it’s 17 deg out with a stiff wind though.
But how can the hottest year Evaa be setting new 100 year records?
Roll up, Roll up, get you genetically modified frost resistant Orange saplings here! Oh and in the short term buy orange juice futures.
The figure of 100 years is based on raw data.
It will be the warmest winter in Florida once NASA researchers are done.
How are CRU, NOAA, NASA et al going to hide this decline?
I live in NW Florida. I take my dog for a walk every morning. Today was the first day we’ve started out at an above freezing temperature this year, 34F. It’s supposed to hit 60F today which is about average for here this time of year. The highs have only been getting into the low 40s sort of where the lows ought to be.
Fred from Canuckistan . . . (10:10:00) :
I think my dreams of one day owning an Orange grove up here in Canuckistan are ended.
You may want to consider one of the many Shaved Ice franchises springing up all over the NH… The weather is challenging the Florida slogan: “Keep Florida Green.”
A bit OT check out the David Klein’s illustration in the Journal’s article on faltering Cap n’ Trade Down Under. The first paragraph sets the world stage well:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104574651610217495546.html
If we are starting a long term cooling trend we all are going to be wishing that the warming thingy was real.
Maybe I should plan for an outdoor rink area here in Texas.
Will they now declare the iguana an endangered species due to habitat loss from Climate Change? Florida is getting too cold for them. They listed the polar bear as such since Climate Change was taking away the Arctic ice. Seems only fair now that Climate Change is making too much Florida ice.
Don’t you wish Climate Change would make up its mind?
At least the AO index is on its way back to positive terrirtory. With a resumption of El Nino influenced weather patterns, perhaps this will be the last blast for the winter season.
Just an update also from the East Asia Monsoon Area, things will start out pretty warm in the next two to three days as the cold air still accumulate in Siberia. Then a big thing start comming out in NorthWest China, with numerical forecast the Siberian High reaching 1065+hPa. Cold air mass will move SW into Central China and the current forecast is that ALL of China except the NorthEast will have temperature significantly lower than normal, probably for one week if not longer, and may hit the news headline again. Korea and Japan will be near normal under the current forecast.
Percipitation is the only thing remain unsettled in the forecast, but freezing rain and snow is an option to Southern China, making 2008-type of South China snowness a possibility.
“Analysis of the sun’s varying activity in the last two millennia indicates that contrary to the IPCC’s speculation about man-made global warming as high as 5.8° C within the next hundred years, a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected. It is shown that minima in the 80 to 90-year Gleissberg cycle of solar activity, coinciding with periods of cool climate on Earth, are consistently linked to an 83-year cycle in the change of the rotary force driving the sun’s oscillatory motion about the centre of mass of the solar system. As the future course of this cycle and its amplitudes can be computed, it can be seen that the Gleissberg minimum around 2030 and another one around 2200 will be of the Maunder minimum type accompanied by severe cooling on Earth. This forecast should prove skillful as other long-range forecasts of climate phenomena, based on cycles in the sun’s orbital motion, have turned out correct as for instance the prediction of the last three El Niños years before the respective event.
We need not wait until 2030 to see whether the forecast of the next deep Gleissberg minimum is correct. A declining trend in solar activity and global temperature should become manifest long before the deepest point in the development. The current 11-year sunspot cycle 23 with its considerably weaker activity seems to be a first indication of the new trend, especially as it was predicted on the basis of solar motion cycles two decades ago. As to temperature, only El Niño periods should interrupt the downward trend, but even El Niños should become less frequent and strong. ”
~Dr. Theodor Landscheidt 2004
Seems the good doctor’s prediction back in 2004 is beginning to manifest itself. Question is how deep is the trough going to be in 2030 and how steep the decline into it is it going be. Going to be interesting to say the least.
Despite the cold NH , has anybody been watching the AMSU Daily Earth Temperatures from Satellites site?
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps
Click on 2007, 2008, for reference years before drawing the plot. Jan 2010 looks to be hotter than Jan 2007…
Fred, I was planning on having a beachfront home here in Arizona. Alas, it was all a hoax. Sniff.
Now is the time, finally, for MY dream… ICE SURFING!!!
I wonder how many Floridians are still buying into the global warming crap now…
I’m willing to wager the numbers have dropped.
*snicker snicker*
So much for Global Warming forecast from the 3 Modeleers.
The next big story in this parade of unfortunate circumstances is the 2-3 weeks of storms set to strike California with a hammer blow.
If that is correct, then there is going to be another notch in the belt of great water events that this State is famous for. And don’t you believe that it’s Global Warming, because we had one in the early 1860’s that has never been topped since. They call it the “Inland Sea”. We have not lost a reservoir in the Sierras since 1963, when Hell Hole Res. on the Rubicon failed. After the reports of Homeland Security playing at the water-release controls, there is suspicion that some have sustained critical internal damage. Any Calif. resident should remember the fiasco at Folsom Dam where one of the gates sprung open and they had to empty the lake to fix it.
People who had no business running the system were playing ‘panic dump’ by operating the gates well beyond design limits, and that is what I call Anthropogenic forcing.
Coldest in 100 years.
Deepest solar minimum in 100 years.
Coincidence?
Only if you’re a warmist.
People should not be concerned about the cold. CRU/NASA will adjust and correct it so that it seems much warmer.
Meanwhile, how to scam a scam . . . Mann gets $500k from Stimulus funding to carry on hiding declines etc .
Hide the Job Decline: $500k in Stimulus Funds to ClimateGate Professor
by Mike Flynn
The American Reinvestment and Recovery Act (the Stimulus Bill) has been such an epic failure, that even the mainstream media has started to notice. The White House has tacitly acknowledged this and recently announced that it would no longer ‘count’ jobs ‘created or saved’ by the Stimulus. The basic problem is that the bulk of the spending went to programs or projects that have nothing to do with economic growth.
The latest example of this is a $500,000 grant to Michael Mann, Professor at Penn State University and unintended co-star of the ClimateGate e-mail scandal. The leaked e-mails revealed collaboration among scientists to stifle dissenting views on the extent of man-made global warming.
Mann is also the creator of the “Hockey Stick” graph, which purported to show a sharp increase in recent temperatures. That work has been thoroughly discredited by researcher Stephen McIntyre. Yet, in June 2009, the National Science Foundation awarded Mann a three-year $500,000 to further study the climate’s response to human activity. According to the grant award:
The broader impacts involve supporting postdoctoral scholars and graduate students and contributing to the understanding of abrupt climate change.
So, the research is supposed to give us a better ‘understanding of abrupt climate change.’ Mind you, the research isn’t to determine whether there is abrupt climate change occurring. Given that Mann is known for using “tricks” to finesse his data, the National Science Foundation will not be pleased with the results.
Actually, this particular grant is special, even by the low-bar set by other spending. Most of the Stimulus funds are simply wasted with no real impact on the overall economy. However, Mann’s “research” will presumably be used to further justify cap-and-trade legislation or other draconian regulatory actions. Either of these will have a very negative impact on the economy, retarding growth for years to come.
We may be paying for this $500,000 for a very long time.
All those polar bears in risk of being extinct must be sent to Florida right now. Call Al Baby to send his limousines to transport them.
Joe (11:39:00) :
Now is the time, finally, for MY dream… ICE SURFING!!!
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Reply: Here in Idaho we call it snowboarding.
OK. Now when the folks at NOAA, or NASA try to tell people that this is one of the warmest winters of the last fifty years .. be prepared to be chased with pitchforks
Can you imagine how much colder it would be without global warming? Also global warming will cause these cold spells to become less frequent. /sarc
“The Guardian promised that England would become a Mediterranean climate.”
http://www.otterfarm.co.uk/
“The Otter Farm blog is a window into what’s happening at the UK’s only climate change farm – where we’ve planting olives, peaches, pecans, persimmons, apricots, szechuan pepper, vines and much more.”
Not quite Florida.
Yeah, but the Global adjusted temps will be .09 above “normal” for January, so, it’s all good.
Joe (11:39:00) :
Now is the time, finally, for MY dream… ICE SURFING!!!
Surfing in ice, I can attest, is a chilling experience. As a Rhode Island surfer for 11 years (before moving to Texas), I have surfed during microbursts of snow many times (I didn’t actually paddle out during a Noreaster too often, although I have done so). Have also surfed when the ocean water had patches of frozen slushy in it, particularly during the winter of ’99-’00. The slush, as you would expect, slows down your board. On the other hand, watching snow melt in the sea beside one’s surfboard is very calming.
Global UAH warmest January day on record:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/01/global-uah-warmest-january-day-on.html
Global Warming causes Global Cooling: How this works….
What warms up must cool down.
What they aren’t telling us is that they didn’t predict when it would cool down, they didn’t predict it would get this cold this long. They hindcast it.
Now they wish for you to believe that they can predict when it will warm up.
When that doesn’t work out for them they will hindcast once again.
Does the world really want to hold thier breath over these ‘Day after Tomorrowers’ ?
The forecast is in the mail.
I’ve been watching the Great Lakes Ice Coverage for several weeks and it is running way behind the amout of ice coverage at this time last year. i was expecting it to be equal or greater. At this rate, it doesn’t seem like the lakes will freeze over this year.
Wasn’t Rohm just snickering the other day that there was no impending Maunder? Spoken a bit early I suspect….
Cold weather is bringing on more doubts about AGW from bigger and bigger players. Wednesday’s NY Times reports a U.S. insurance industry worried they may be bamboozled by phony climate change claims:
“…e-mails show that a close-knit group of the world’s most influential climate scientists actively colluded to subvert the peer-review process … manufactured pre-determined conclusions through the use of contrived analytic techniques; and discussed destroying data to avoid government freedom-of-information requests.”
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/01/13/13climatewire-insurance-group-says-stolen-e-mails-show-ris-91554.html
Note the CYA “Stolen” in title. I’ll take a Big Gulp with that large popcorn an’ extra butter flavor.
More from from “the weather is only weather world”
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1876299,00.html
Returned from a holiday in the Dominican Republic on Jan11th. While Florida across to TX were getting frost and snow, DR had a cool rainy spell for about 4 days and I understand Cuba had some record cool days.
I’m surprised they don’t give the temperature in Kelvin… it would always sound like it’s very hot everywhere.
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL
815 AM EST THU JAN 14 2010
(…)
THE RECORDS FOR CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITH 32 DEGREES OR LESS AT LOCAL CLIMATE SITES…
Weather is not Climate! Didn’t they get the memo?
And why are they reporting about Georgia? We have polar bears to save! Since when does Alma matter?
I posted this on Tips& Notes a couple of days ago, seems appropriate here:
“The results are in. The Gulf of Mexico water off of Venice Florida hit 49.6 degrees F this morning (1/13). This is the lowest recorded water temperature since the current equipment was placed in the water in 1986. So, can someone explain how the water temperature can get this low if CO2 has been steadily increasing the SSTs for the last 30 years. It does, however, show that air temperature can raise and lower SST very quickly as two days ago the temperature of the Gulf in this area was 52 degrees. The next few days are forecast to be near or above 70F and I will expect the water temp to increase several degrees along with the air temp increase.”
I don’t know what the big thing is Orange Juice Comes frozen in cardboard cans. Now they can skip a process and safe the cardboard……..oh boy think of the carbon footprint we will reduce……yeaaaaaa the world is saved……..John.
Neo (12:11:57) :Wanna see it. Can’t believe you chickens!
rigel (12:25:41) :
“I’ve been watching the Great Lakes Ice Coverage for several weeks and it is running way behind the amout of ice coverage at this time last year. i was expecting it to be equal or greater. At this rate, it doesn’t seem like the lakes will freeze over this year.”
It hasn’t been particularly cold in Canada as I think we’ve been the recipient of the negative AO to some extent with the cold air being pushed down to the US. Also, November was a bit warmer than normal (here in southern Ontario anyway). I’d hang on a while to make predictions on the Great Lakes ‘cos I suspect they have ‘lost’ a lot of heat in shipping all that snow southwards and there is time yet for the weather patterns to change.
Rob (in Ottawa where they have just opened the Rideau Canal for skating – maybe a couple of days later that usual, but not so as we would notice)
Well if you follow fishing blogs instead of climate blogs, you will see reports of hundreds of Tarpon, Snook, Bonefish, Barracudas, Redfish, and Sea trout, as well as other Florida marine game species floating around dead in the cold ocean waters. Then of course there are turtles and other critters hit by the cold.
This graph shows GISS winter temperatures for Jacksonville, Florida 1880-2009 (Dec 2009 not available, but I can add it if anyone has the number)
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Jack-Fl.gif
Graph shows Jacksonville is actually cooling at the rate of 0.8 degree C / century.
More temp and other graphs on
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/GandF.htm
kadaka (12:52:22) : You just forgot Florida it is a spanish speaking state, and there is no such confusion in spanish, there is only one word: CLIMA.
White (12:12:39) :
“The Otter Farm blog is a window into what’s happening at the UK’s only climate change farm – where we’ve planting olives, peaches, pecans, persimmons, apricots, szechuan pepper, vines and much more.”
Wonder how much of that stuff is still alive? Olives, for example, don’t exactly love hard frosts.
Geaorge E Smith (13:36:51) As far as I know , we haven’t had many fish kills in South GA , but the cold did wipe out the baby tarponpopulation in a tidal pond on Little St Simons Island recently . Went out for trout today – water temp was 44f , not a bite .
vukcevic (13:41:47) :
Now in the case of Florida it is easy to think of a local factor that almost certainly have lowered winter temperatures. In 1880 Florida was essentially one big swamp. Today it is mostly drained. Water has a vast heat capacity and the swamps must have had a very marked moderating effect on minimum temperatures in winter.
The Lunar declination was Maximum South early on the 13th of January. As the moon comes back toward the North, it will bring in warm moisture to both the Southern USA and Southern Europe to a lesser extent, giving us a break in the cold weather.
The cold should be returning by the end of January, and stay through most of February. The extended solar pause in warming, has allowed these cold fronts to drop further South than is the usual pattern.
This is the common link age found by the builders of Stonehenge at the end of the last ice age. Lost when the “religion” that resulted from the original science, became lost during the midevil warm period when the contrasts dissipated.
More political energy was invested in controlling the new farm land, and none to the maintenance, of the understanding of how it got to be there in the first place.
It is all natural cycles, what leads them out of the dark, is lost in light of day to day struggles, to keep what they have gained.
JonesII (13:50:52) :
kadaka (12:52:22) : You just forgot Florida it is a spanish speaking state, and there is no such confusion in spanish, there is only one word: CLIMA.
A Spanish-speaking state? Well then, that explains the offer of free in-park translator services on all those Disney ads. Do you have a list of all the other states in the union that are Spanish-speaking thus there is no such confusion?
Wait, what do you mean “no such confusion”? It is confusing when one doesn’t know that weather and climate are completely different things. How can any language possibly not have separate words for climate and weather? That is far too unscientific to be allowed to continue. These languages must be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century!
Quick, notify the UN! Any countries who speak such languages should have been barred from Copenhagen, as they could never have understood what was really being discussed. No wonder it failed!
Driving my Frontier to Florida’s death row was chilly at the start, but the drive back was pleasant and sunny. It’s a tepid 69F now in Gainesville and I’m about to grill a few steaks. Perhaps I’ll play some golf over the weekend before it gets chilly again Monday. I’ve never really worried much about this AGW because Florida (I’ve lived all over it) only warms to about 98F before the humidity hits 100%, then it rains, steams, cools. Florida winters don’t kill people, only crops and fish.
This winter, though, is reminiscent of those I endured in high school, when we were thankful for the ugly old band wool band uniforms and gloves because football under the lights was seriously chilly.
The effort of the cadre to simulate VietNam during ROTC exercises was laughable in the early 70s when we were outfitted with jungle gear and the temperature dropped to upper 20sF.
Weathermen for centuries have been trying to render reliable forecasts based on experience and, in recent years, have done a pretty good job. In Florida, it gets hot and then it get cool. Sometimes it get hotter (I go to the beach) and sometimes it gets cooler (I don’t go to the beach or don’t even play golf). But when “climatologists” suggest that I should panic, I wonder what they’re smoking. Florida–a desert?
The big news next week will be the storms in California, Nevada, and Arizona. I would not be surprised to see I-80 shut down for several days. And extensive flooding in Southern California due to the heavy rain and very, very high swells – 20-30 foot swells. They are also expecting huge amounts of rain in the Desert – so I-15 may get shut down as well.
“.LONG TERM (MON-THU)…FOR THE EXTENDED…IT STILL LOOKS VERY…
VERY WET THROUGH THE WEEK. A STRONG JET (NEAR 200 KNOTS) OVER THE
EASTERN PACIFIC WILL DRIVE SEVERAL SYSTEMS ACROSS THE AREA THROUGH
THE PERIOD. AS HAS BEEN THE CASE…THE EXTENDED MODELS CONTINUE
TO HAVE TIMING/STRENGTH DIFFERENCES…BUT NO MATTER WHICH MODEL
VERIFIES…THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF RAIN. AT THIS TIME…THERE
SHOULD BE ONE SYSTEM ON MONDAY…ANOTHER ONE ON TUESDAY THEN THE
STRONGEST STORM ON WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY. CURRENT RAINFALL PROJECTIONS
CONTINUE TO INDICATE 4 TO 8 INCHES OF RAIN FOR COASTAL AND VALLEY
AREAS BETWEEN SUNDAY AND FRIDAY…WITH 8 TO 16 INCHES IN THE
FOOTHILLS AND MOUNTAINS. LOCAL AMOUNTS OVER 20 INCHES ARE QUITE
LIKELY IN FAVORED COASTAL SLOPE LOCATIONS.”
climate change??? huh! does that mean it also gets colder???
sarc off
When it is too warm the fish will go to the bottom of lakes and ponds to stay cool. When it is too cold the fish will go to the bottom of lakes and ponds to stay warm.
Therefore animal-loving greenies can no longer support geothermal heating and cooling which uses a closed loop on the bottom of such water bodies, since when heating indoors it will chill the fish, and when cooling indoors it will warm the fish, thus wreaking havoc on their environment by giving them no refuge during adverse thermal conditions.
They already should not like open loop systems since the intakes could suck in small fish, assorted eggs, and other tiny water-living critters.
Now all they have to consider is the plight of small burrowing critters, assorted larvae, and earthworms, and ground-based geothermal using buried loops will be verboten as well.
But hey, all the free energy from windmills and solar panels will take up the slack, so why worry?
M White (12:12:39) : “The Guardian promised that England would become a Mediterranean climate.”
Didn’t it snow on the Mediterranean coast of France? Well, there you go!
They never did say what the mediterranean would be like, did they? ;-0
“The Otter Farm blog is a window into what’s happening at the UK’s only climate change farm – where we’ve planting olives, peaches, pecans, persimmons, apricots, szechuan pepper, vines and much more.”
Not quite Florida.
But given that Florida has had frozen …
How do you core a palm tree?
“I wonder how many Floridians are still buying into the global warming crap now…”
Two, but it’s alright, they are both medicated.
“George E. Smith (13:36:51) :
Well if you follow fishing blogs instead of climate blogs, you will see reports of hundreds of Tarpon, Snook, Bonefish, Barracudas, Redfish, and Sea trout, as well as other Florida marine game species floating around dead in the cold ocean waters. Then of course there are turtles and other critters hit by the cold.”
George, I’ve lived in the Keys my whole life – over 1/2 century.
I have never seen such a fish kill in Florida Bay.
Looks like every fish in the bay died.
Latitude
Just think of the hedlines if the Fish were dying because of Global warming. It escapes the press, because it does not pertain to the Dire Global Warming or is it Climate Change…..I’m so confused.
“The Guardian promised that England would become a Mediterranean climate.”
And the media here in Norway claimed we would have Mediterranean climate already by 2050 as well. :O
They have really gone crazy… Yet we are now here in Norway experiencing the longest deep cold spell in over 130+ years”when recorded started” in some areas.
But i guess by 2050 all that will magically change and palm trees will pop up everywhere…..
John from MN (19:48:44) :
Latitude
Just think of the hedlines if the Fish were dying because of Global warming. (…)
But they did die because of Global Warming! AGW causes wacky weather like this cold snap, and the cold killed the fish, therefore AGW was responsible!
Just stop by Real Climate, they’ll explain it to you. 😉
Wow. 13 days of below freezing in Gainesville.
That is exceedingly hard to do on a balmy peninsula surrounded by even balmier water and one of the world’s largest warm water currents.
And freezing fog in Jacksonville???
Pretty damn amazing.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
FWC responds to widespread cold-weather saltwater fish kills
http://myfwc.com/NEWSROOM/10/statewide/News_10_X_ColdWeatherSaltFishKills1.htm
The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) has issued executive orders to protect Florida’s snook, bonefish and tarpon fisheries from further harm caused by the recent prolonged cold weather in the state, which has caused widespread saltwater fish kills. The FWC has received numerous reports from the public and is taking action to address the conservation needs of affected marine fisheries. The orders also will allow people to legally dispose of dead fish in the water and on the shore. One of the executive orders temporarily extends closed fishing seasons for snook statewide until September. It also establishes temporary statewide closed seasons for bonefish and tarpon until April because of the prolonged natural cold weather event that caused significant, widespread mortality of saltwater fish in Florida. The other order temporarily suspends certain saltwater fishing regulations to allow people to collect and dispose of dead fish killed by the cold weather.
“A proactive, precautionary approach is warranted to preserve our valuable snook, bonefish and tarpon resources, which are among Florida’s premier game fish species,” said FWC Chairman Rodney Barreto. “Extending the snook closed season and temporarily closing bonefish and tarpon fishing will protect surviving snook that spawn in the spring and will give our research scientists time to evaluate the extent of damage that was done to snook, bonefish and tarpon stocks during the unusual cold-weather period we recently experienced in Florida.”
Snook season currently is closed in Florida under regular FWC rules, and there are also regular closed snook seasons that occur in the summer. However, the FWC executive order extends the statewide snook closed seasons continuously through Aug. 31 and provides that no person may harvest or possess snook in state and federal waters off Florida during this period unless the fishery is opened sooner or the closure is extended by subsequent order.
The order also establishes a temporary prohibition on the harvest and possession of bonefish and tarpon from state and federal waters off Florida through March 31, unless these fisheries are opened sooner or the closures are extended by subsequent order. The FWC executive order for the snook, bonefish and tarpon closed seasons takes effect at 12:01 a.m. on Jan. 16.
The other FWC executive order temporarily removes specific harvest regulations for all dead saltwater fish of any species that have died as a result of prolonged exposure to cold weather in Florida waters. It also modifies general methods of taking dead saltwater fish from Florida’s shoreline and from the water to allow the collection of saltwater fish by hand, cast net, dip net or seine.
All people taking dead saltwater fish under the provisions of this order may not sell, trade or consume such fish, and the dead fish must immediately be disposed of in compliance with local safety, health and sanitation requirements for such disposal.
In addition, all people taking dead fish under the provisions of this order are not required to possess a saltwater fishing license, and all fish taken under the provisions of this executive order shall be those that have died as a result of prolonged exposure to cold weather.
This FWC executive order takes effect at 12:01 a.m. on Jan. 16 and will expire at 12:01 a.m. on Feb. 1, unless it is repealed sooner or extended by subsequent order.
Ed Murphy
Amazing they printed an article that points out fish are dying from cold weather in Florida. But lest we forget. It is the warmist weather in history……John…
I would like to tie this back to a previous post, which noted the UCAR piece on record highs vs. record lows over the last 60 years. I will quote here a post I made on the NYT dotearth blog in response to that:
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January 9th, 2010
9:28 am
As I write this (Jan 10), having just looked at the UCAR press release, it is becoming more clear to me than ever that Mother Nature has a sense of humor.
The 2000s were not quite over as of Sept. 30 when the pretty graphic was constructed. For the last three months of 2009 and the first 9 days of Jan. 2010 over the continental US, the picture looks rather different:
2423 new daily highs
3679 new daily lows, for a ratio of 0.66
However, this is not complete. In computing the US (or global) surface temperature from weather station measurements, the average of the daily high and low is used. Therefore, there are two warm records (max high and max low) and two cool records (min low and min high) for each site. They are of equal importance with respect to climate measurements, and we have had a remarkable preponderance of record-minimum highs compared to record-maximum lows (which are predicted by AGW theory) over the same 3-1/2 months:
maximum lows: 2751
minimum highs: 7544, a ratio of 0.36 or nearly 3x as many cold records.
There are (at least) two plausible natural causes for this: (1) the PDO (Pacific Decadal Oscillation) has gone back into a negative phase, and (2) the end of the Modern Maximum of solar activity, with the longest and deepest solar minimum in a century probably leading to a Cycle 24 solar max more in line with historical averages (maybe — there is some evidence that longer-term magnetic changes may be happening in the sun:)
Those who call us “deniers” are unclear about what we are denying, which is not that global warming has been happening, only that the evidence for the relative magnitude of the anthopomorphic contribution is sufficiently compelling to warrant immediate and drastic action. We favor no-regrets policies that would make economic sense regardless of whether the AGW hypothesis is correct: encouraging conservation and reducing the legal impediments which dramatically raise the cost of nuclear power, for example. (Nuclear power is strangely absent from the official discussions of zero-carbon-emission technologies by this administration. Wonder why that is? It seems to work for France, and would have an order-of-magnitude greater impact on US carbon emissions than any practical alternative in the next 50 years. New Jersey gets half its electric power from nuclear now.)
The Pacific Decadal Oscillation is just that — decadal. It may well buy us several decades of time in which to get the science right and build out a new generation of nonproliferating nuclear plants. Part of the problem is that light-water reactors are written into cubic miles of regulation, and commercial use of newer technology such as LBE and thorium pebble-bed reactors will require government support (largely in the form of inhibiting NIMBY lawsuits and rationalizing NRC requirements).
Don’t talk to me about storing radwaste for millenia, either. What is the root fear that drives this issue? Cancer. How does modern medicine compare with Ben Franklin’s time, a mere 250 years ago? Does anyone seriously believe that three centuries from now cancer will still be as feared as it is today? My personal bet is that in 3 or 4 generations our descendants will be robotically mining our radwaste dumps for fuel and other useful materials.”
Update: October 2009 had an astounding 5649 record-minimum highs in one month, but even if you exclude that and take only the 11 weeks from Nov. 1 (November was quite warm) to Jan. 15, the ratio of the summed warm records (max and max low) to the summed cold records (min and min high) is 2984/4260 = 0.7. The third quarter of 2009 had a ratio barely above 1; a cool July (2471 record-minimum highs) balanced out the warmer records for August and September.
What is the proposed mechanism for all these record-minimum daily highs, I wonder? AGW predicts warmer nights. Has the cloud cover changed, as in the cosmic ray hypothesis? (That’s a serious question, not a rhetorical one —
I don’t pretend to be a meteorologist.)
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/09/29/cosmic-ray-intensity-hits-50-year-high/
NukeEngineer (14:29:45) : Don’t talk to me about storing radwaste for millenia, either.
Oddly, I used to be on the side that was spouting the “25,000 years of safe storage, are you nuts?”? line… Then I ran into one statistic that caused me to question the anti-nuke propaganda that I’d swallowed.
That 25,000 years is made up, and based on the notion of having nuke waste decay to background levels. But…
If you set the bar at “decay to the same level as the orginal ore then your storage needs become a couple of hundred years.
A couple of hundred I am VERY ok with. And as secure as the ore was, is also a whole lot LESS secure than a nuke waste storage facility.
This leads to the necessary conclusion that: For the safety of the planet we need to dig up the ore, burn (nuclear burn) up as much of it as we can, then bury the ‘waste’ more securly than the original or was buried. We must do this for all the future generations, to reduce their risk from all that poorly stored “nuclear ore”…
My personal bet is that in 3 or 4 generations our descendants will be robotically mining our radwaste dumps for fuel and other useful materials.”
That’s about right. 30 years / generations. 120 years. Still a bit hotter than ‘regular ore’ but not too bad.
Fred from Canuckistan . . . (10:10:00) :
Canuckistan, I’ve heard of that. . . it’s just north of Yankistan, right?
I have been in Florida for over 50 years and never seen a winter like this one. All my cracker friends say the same thing. Never seen the large fish kills because water was so cold. One benefit is that the invasive species are dying in record numbers because of the cold and it’s just not normal. BTW, I’ve also lived on the water in the same spot and haven’t seen the water rise at all. What’s up with that?