Pachauri's Carbon Choo-Choo off the rails

It just wouldn’t be fair if big Al was the only one making money on this. I suspect there is a few more that are profiting from the global scare.

You should have left the original picture up, it looked like a mugshot.

So much for the gravy train

And we’re surprised by this revelation? With nothing to control it, the U.N. is certain to be corrupt to the core.

Anthony, the title reads “Pacharuri”, when it should be “Pachauri”. Please fix. Thanks.
No sense in giving the “Warmistas” any fodder at all, no matter how slim, like “Uh, they can’t even spell his name right, so how reliable is their science?”.
They are getting desparate, you know.
[Fixed, thanks. ~dbs, mod.]

PachauriGate?

Carbon credits, Oil for food on steroids

Neo:
Don’t forget, he also has an honorary Doctorate from East Anglia. The inside team is rather incestuous, wouldn’t you say?

Courtesy of the Naked Cowboy
I don’t like this Global Cooling Mr President.
I don’t Believe in You Anymore!
http://hosting11.imagecross.com/image-hosting-23/3046NC-Not-Happy-With-Global-Cooling-2.jpg

Meanwhile, if the IPCC should ever decide to part company with Dr Pachauri, Eurostar could perhaps use a good railway engineer to help it sort out its snow-related problems:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2009/dec/21/eurostar-problems-explained
Similar to the excuses trotted out by the railway companies in the UK in the past, it seems that it was “the wrong kind of snow”.

Gosh, accusing journalists now of being the Climatgate hackers? Desperate are we?

About as desperate as Mann playing the Palin card.

If you want to see what Lord Monckton says about this you can got to this video http://fora.tv/2009/12/17/FORAtv_Exclusive_Interview_with_Lord_Monckton_at_COP15#fullprogram and watch video #5, the last 6 mins 15 secs where he talkks about fraud and Pachauri.

Cute Google-ad – “Offset your carbon emissions. (We’ll show you how)”, on an image of jet with contrail and big red X on contrail …”
I thought contrails from aircraft were condensation of water vapor. By condensing water vapor, aren’t aircraft getting rid of a major greenhouse gas – water vapor?? 😉
These ads appeal to the ‘smoke is pollution’ crowd, I guess.

Come on, this is really not fair, all he is doing, just like the fragrant Al Gore, his putting his money where his mouth his. Investing in technologies which he believes will save the whole wide world. If he makes money out of it there is no conflict of interest it is not as if he is a public servant?
See simple Bob’s your uncle!
Central London been snowing for two hours, slush on the ground.
Warwickshire to have 10 cms of snow tonight.
Channel trains stuffed because of the cold weather.
There we are its just weather not climate?

Richard North at EuReferendum is really getting stuck in:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/slow-burn.html
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/eating-away-at-civilisation.html

It’s Global Temperature Homogenization.
Warmer air goes to the poles.
Cooler air goes to the equator.
A zero-sum game.
A temperature sensor pointed at earth from space
would give the “homogenized” global answer, definitively.
The current international efforts with carbon are foolly. (folly + foolish)

Another vid worth watching http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/dec/21/climate-scepticism-jesse-ventura

Jack in Oregon (10:14:24) :
Check out Gordon Browns quote . . .
“I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions.”
Anyone who has followed British politics for the last few years knows that Gordon does not do democracy. Fortunately for the world, Gordon can’t stamp all over foreign leaders the way he has stamped over the people of Britain – but God knows he tried!

Richard Nehring (09:52:34) :
“It’s not a matter of putting their money where their mouth is; it’s a matter of putting their mouth where their money is!”
No doubt true, but I believe Tim’s comment was meant as an allusion to Maurice Strong’s reply to a similar question on the Fox documentary. When the interviewer suggested that as Strong was a director of the Chicago Exchange, he stood to make a lot of money on emissions trading. His reply was as brilliant as it was mendacious – he was just putting his money where his mouth is.
Pachauri on the other hand, came out swinging, which makes him seem like someone with something to hide. Al Gore has taken the evasive approach – Me have something to gain? We will all be gainers.
Now however, Strong’s answer has redefined the question. Look for Al Gore and Pachauri to adopt the same strategy. They’re all taking enormous risks to save the planet.

It has been fascinating to watch EUreferendum unravel the political and financial infrastructure of the Global warming movement.
It started a few weeks ago when it was noticed by Richard that the steel works at Redcar in the UK was being closed down by TATA and Indian company that had purchased the British Steel industry only a few years earlier. Following the money Richard worked out that closing the British factories and opening new ones in India was subsidised by cashing in on Carbon Credits – about a billion dollars. TATA seemed to have links to Pachauri.
For years Richard North and Chris Booker have been digging away at the under-reported corruption and incompetence that festers at heart of the EU, so it is unsurprising that they are now getting into the rotten political heart of the UN and the IPCC. At EUReferendum they have a unique expertise for ferreting out how the dirty politics and dirty money works. Their work is at the other end of the scale to the magnificent work you carry out on this weblog (which is to dissect and reconstruct the (dirty) data).
In a way your two sites are a perfect match for each other, this story about the corruption at the top of the Copenhagen Conference is the missing element in the climategate scandal. When you put CRUgate and IPCCgate together you are really hitting AGW hysteria hard.
I think it is congratulations all round

It’s Officially a Word – Obaminable http://obaminable.urbanup.com/4449215
Adj. description of an abominable mistake, dishonest, disagreeable or unpleasantry increasingly common from B.H. Obama.
ex: Copenhagen’s Obaminable Failure

Sean Peake (09:32:54) :
So much for the gravy train
Nice! (Assuming you’re referring to Pachauri’s former job as a railway engineer 😉

JonesII (09:50:12) :
He is undoubtly a Saint of this new religion, founded by the Most holy Saint ” El Gordo” (the fat one)
It was actually founded by Maurice Strong at the same time as he founded the Environmental movement. As Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto’s Saturday Night magazine:
It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992. Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe.”
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106963.html
Even the people at Radio for Peace at the UN Peace University saw through Maurice Strong and his ties to big business and the big banks!
The university’s administrator, Canadian Maurice Strong, came in on a wave of influence based on the promise of Ted Turner’s foundation to give a billion dollars to the UN. His connections to the Turner foundation, the World Bank, and to those environmental groups you hear criticized for allowing domination by big business, are just the tip of the iceberg.
Anyone searching “Maurice Strong” on the web encounters a very interesting array of entries. (To quote Lewis Carroll, the story becomes “Curious and curiouser”) If we can believe even 10% of the story of his ascent to power and influence, an astonishing tale of subterfuge emerges, consistent with his attack on RFPI. Beyond the fig leaf of NGO’s that he uses for cover, Strong’s real alliances are with the enemies of the UN, which they are busily “reforming” http://www.w4uvh.net/dxldtd3g.html%5DMaurice Strong and Radio for Peace International
Strong makes even Al Gore look like a weeny when it comes to his carbon foot print.
…Ontario Hydro, an industrial concern, headed by Earth Summit secretary general Maurice Strong, which is the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada. This corporation is currently selling nuclear reactors to Argentina and Chile…. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/061.html
Strong is a member of the U.N.-funded Commission on Global Governance
Global Warming for Global Governance has a good collection of quotes organized to show how Global Warming is to lead to Global Governance by the Elite http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GlobalGovernance.htm

Smokey (10:28:44) :
certainly no one from the UK voted for Gordon Brown as PM.

Making investments based on privileged information!!!!!!!!

New Cap-and-Tax Energy Inflation bill tracker http://bit.ly/8eiwq5
We have added there a new S. 1733 **Cap-and-Tax Energy Inflation** bill tracker.
This is what the vacant agreement out of Copenhagen was intended to foster.
It is the next battle front of Climategate.

These UN folks aren’t messing around…
“We have pretty good agreement on short-term, fast-track financial support in the order of $10 billion for the coming three years. When we agree on a politically binding agreement, this will have immediate operational effect, including financial support from next year.
This financial support will reportedly be ongoing for the life of the treaty.
So when will the treaty end?
Can the United States ever get out of it?
Well, reports from those who have seen the draft treaty indicate that the only way a nation can leave the treaty is if every single other nation agrees.
Now, if “developing nations” are receiving large payments from the United States every single year, how likely do you think it is for every single one of them to vote to allow the U.S. to leave the treaty?”
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/0000000000001382

It will be interesting to see who gets to turn the lights off….

I believe that Christopher Monckton started this, with his “OPEN LETTER TO CHAIRMAN PACHAURI”:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/pachauri_letter.pdf
Ecotretas

While my comment is fished out of the spam filter for gross urling 😉
P Wilson (10:58:09) :
Smokey (10:28:44) :
certainly no one from the UK voted for Gordon Brown as PM.
Smokey – no one in the history of “The Mother of all Parliaments” has ever voted for the Prime Minister. The public vote for a party who then choose their leader.
Anyone who believes “Dave” will be PM if the Tories get in at the next general election is dreaming out loud IMHO.

“Copenhagen deal causes EU carbon price fall”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8425293.stm
He may have made a loss on the European carbon market.

OT. Worse snow here in the south of England since winter of 1981/82.

It would be interesting to know the actual flowsheet of “personalities” involved in this so an innocent enterprise. Who is the “chairman of the board”?

Now I know why I sometimes get the feeling we are being ‘railroaded’.

James Sexton (09:54:59) :
I’m feeling kinda dumb. I knew the absolution credits would be a big business, and if one sold immediately after the e-mails were released, one would have made a big profit.
Ha, or short ’em all the way down, finally leading to the leaker…..Geesus! “Soros, you magnificant bastard!” He’s done it again! Turning disaster into profit – what a man!
Next stop, Gore’s Generation Management with General Electric and NBC, and don’t forget the Currencies. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been loading up on Big Oil at the same time or even buying up whole oil fields themselves!
Another Mann made disaster self indeed./tongue just barely in cheek

My dictionary (New Shorter OED, 1997) tells me ‘thug’ is an Indian word, meaning a cheat or swindler in Hindi.

Has there been any political debate about the science of climate change in any Parliament or congress?
20 odd years ago a few scientists put forward the theory of AGW and over time most politicians have taken it as a given.
Yes, they all debate what to do about it, but not whether it is true or even if it is less dangerous than converting to a carbon free society.
The closest a sceptical politician will get to expressing an opinion is in a vote about Cap&trade for instance.
That is like only having a vote on what size your handcuffs will be.
We need a full and open political debate on the science followed by national referendums.
Put your money where your mouth is, as Al Gore would say.

Maurice Strong is the real puppet master behind this whole swindle. He pretty much created the relevant UN institutions including the UNEP and the IPCC. He organized the first Stockholm conference, Rio, etc.. The number of people he has placed in various institutions like WWF and like organizations is staggering and helps create the myth of “consensus”. Pachauri himself is a Strong creation. Ask yourself, why is an Indian railroad engineer in charge of the most influential climate organization in the world? Because Maurice Strong wanted him there, that’s why.
The amount of money Pachauri stands to make if this scam goes through pales in comparison to the amount of money Strong will make. Among his many AGW business interests, Strong sits on the boards of a couple carbon exchanges including the Chicago exchange. Interestingly enough, when the Chicago Exchange was just getting started it received a grant from the Joyce Foundation. Sitting on the board of that Chicago foundation was an obscure state senator from Chicago, one Barack Obama.
I’m sure that was just a coincidence too.

Indiana Bones (10:03:37) :
“One must wonder, does the UN/IPCC have any kind of ethics guidelines for employees?? How long would a U.S. Politician with similar business interests last? Or any politician in any but the most bought and paid for country? True fiction is unbelievable!…
I hate to tell you but U.S. Politicians have been busy committing treason and murder – knowingly for years.
Bill Clinton had Dan Amstutz (VP of Cargill), Robert Shapiro (CEO of Monsanto) and Mike Taylor (Monsanto) in key parts of his administration when he ratified WTO. Amstutz wrote the Agreement on Ag which lead to this: The Festering Fraud Behind Food Safety Reform
“Readers of the New York Times were recently treated to a rarely glimpsed view of how the globally-sourced industrial food complex assembles the raw ingredients of the omnipresent hamburger…Moss’s article tracing the processing history of the E.coli-contaminated hamburger consumed by Stephanie Smith, .. Moss uncovers how the company failed to follow its own safety plans without facing any interference from the USDA until someone got very, very sick.
However, the article leaves out critical information from its analysis that would help us understand why so much is wrong with the meat inspection process today… if we don’t gain a fuller understanding of how and why the meat industry’s inspection process became an essentially unregulated, privatized affair, we are likely to repeat the same mistake and allow Congress to pass food “safety” legislation that will serve to make the world a safer place for the cartels controlling the global produce trade but do nothing at all for the safety of our food supply…” http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2009/12/the-festering-fraud-behind-food-safety-reform/index.html
John Munsell tried for two years to get action against a large meat packer that shipped him contaminated meat. He contacted the USDA, his congressman, the media and even a liability lawyer. The USDA and Congress ignored the problem until the death of a woman forced them to investigate. However despite a Congressional Investigation of this incident and another of the Hallmark plant inhumane practices, Congressman Waxman’s “Food Folly” bill specifically instructs the practices (HACCP) leading to the poisoning and deaths of Americans are to be left intact while small food businesses and farmers are saddled with regulations specifically designed to drive them out of business.
Control of our Energy and our food supply are linked and the threads all lead back to the UN and eventually to the same multi-billionaires. 80% of the world food supply is now controlled by ten corporations and about half are privately owned.
“Ten corporations now control nearly every aspect of the world’s food chain. Four control 90 per cent of the world’s exports of corn, wheat, tobacco, tea, pineapple, jute and forest products. “ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1997/jun/20/johnvidal
Here is an in-depth analysis: http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=2628
The big corporations and bankers are running this world not the voters. Now they have decided to take the gloves off and remove the “appearance” of democracy and freedom, first by using “free trade” – WTO & NAFTA, and global warming to implement a world government and after that control of our food and energy supplies.
I hope we can wake people up to the imminent danger but the media and the politicians are not in our control and I am afraid we are destined to learn from our mistakes the hard way just as Germany did. Only this time there will be no USA and Great Britain to safe us.

Jack in Oregon (10:14:24) :
Check out Gordon Browns quote…
The UN’s consensual method of negotiation, which requires all 192 countries to reach agreement, needs to be reformed to ensure that the will of the majority prevails, he feels.
The Prime Minister will say: “Never again should we face the deadlock that threatened to pull down those talks. Never again should we let a global deal to move towards a greener future be held to ransom by only a handful of countries. One of the frustrations for me was the lack of a global body with the sole responsibility for environmental stewardship.
“I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions to meet the common challenges we face as a global community.” The summit failed to produce a political agreement among all the countries. Delegates instead passed a motion on Saturday “taking note” of an accord drawn up the night before by five countries: the US, China, India, Brazil and South Africa.
Despite being the first world leader to join the summit, Mr Brown was excluded from the key meeting where the compromise was decided.
The fellow is deranged. Sound and fury (his favourite method) signifying nothing.
Message to G Brown from a voter:
………..* off.
* Supply your own word from the usual list. Now or at the next election (he probably doesn’t want one of those).

It reminds me of those business channels where some analyst comes on and advises everybody to buy a particular stock. You just know he has bought the stock himself and when the public buys the price will rise and he will sell before the price falls back again.

TATA and Indian company that had purchased the British Steel industry only a few years ago…
A few years…? more like a few hundred days. /They bought Corus in Jan 2007.
Pachauri is the holy man of this vast subterranean network of ‘business’ entrepeneurs in India who are cashing in, as we speak, in the carbon market, i.e., in making something from nothing. His connections lead nowhere but extend everywhere. He absorbs climate criticism like a sponge because you cannot trace either climate activism or climate science back to him. As an example, how much would you hold GW Bush responsible for intelligence failure during the Iraq war (pardon the unfortunate pun)? A lot of people believe Pachauri won the Nobel prize.
I do not however feel that TERI is cooking the books behind its CO2 smokescreen to hide fund transfers to Pachauri. Its opaque accounting practices are probably so, simply because that is the norm with many Indian companies. Auditing standards are dismally low in many Indian NGOs and TERI is most probably no exception.
Pachauri should reveal his accounting practices and revenue fully, instead of name-calling those who question his very questionable connections.

Lets see now
1.The Chairman of the IPCC has his hand in the till and many conflicts of interest— which Governments and authorities around the world all turn a blind eye to.
2.He receives an Honorary docorate from the University of East anglia (UEA).
3.The UEA’s CRU is responsible for the climate science input to the IPCC,chaired by the same money maker.
4. The CRU head has been stood down pending an investigation into what has been going on amid claims that he may have been involved in improper scientific practices,bullying, financial fiddles, corrupting the Peer Review process, and data fiddling. etc etc
5.Climategate gate shows that his colleagues in other countries are also complicit, and involved in the creation of famous hockey stick corruption of the science–which became the rallying cry of the the Chairman as he sold the game around the world-and built up his investments with the money men.
6.Other scientists in other institutions remain silent and go along wih the game.
7. The money men who are mainly those same bright young things who brought us the GFC see another scam in the offering and cant wait to get going with carbon trading–so they exert pressure wherever they can on the political system
8.The publically funded scientists involved are now found to complict in the corruption of the temperature data bases used,which helps feed the cause.–and they can see gravy train as well so they fight tooth and nail for the game
9.Meanwhile the Chairman and his mate Big Al, continue to prosper and grow their asset bases at our expense, with us mug punters having been sold a pup by a bunch of crooks.
10. The dopey dogooders have a gab fest and agree that they should continue to spend up big solving a problem the Chairman and his mate Big Al created in the first place but which the proper science might say is a beat up ..if they were allowed to be heard.
Is that a fair assessment.?
One final question. If climate change means both natural and anthroprogenic and we are going to spend trillions reducing one when it is in parallel being affected by the other.How will we ever know when the job is done, or does it just go on for ever.
This is the grandest scam of them all –why didnt I think of it.

OT: As we are in the days of “El Nino” (around christmas, when the “child” is born), does anybody see any el nino here?:
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
Nice chilling christmas and frozen new year!

Simple solution:
Before anyone in receipt of any taxpayer-funded resources is allowed to collect, analyze and/or draw/publish conclusions about weather or climate, whether with respect to proxy or historically recorded data ….
AND
Before any politician, public servant/government appointee or special interest group head is permitted to make any pronouncement committing or demanding further taxpayer resources …
S/he shall be hooked up to a polygraph – and the results made public – to establish whether s/he has ANY monetary interest in the outcome of said pronouncement or conclusion.
A cheap process at 1/100th of the cost of what appears to be the monies ready to be thrown at the issues coming out of Copenhagen!
There was an old Johnny Carson skit to this effect; it involved electricity, a zapper and a loud buzzer.

Got to love how Richard North Signs off from his Pachauri blog…
“Up yours, Pachauri, you are a thief as well as a liar.”
Jeez I laughed 🙂 Great to read a blog with the courage of their convictions.
Cheers
Michael

Polar Bears and BBQ Sauce (11:26:39) : Wrote
“Repower America is requesting your photo and message on their “Wall” of believers right now. you may want to go there and state your opinion. It helps to post a photo. http://www.repoweramerica.org/wall/#”
I got my naked cowboy picture right in the middle, but they cut the top and the bottom. If someone else wants to re upload it, you probably have to crop the bottom off.
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/135/l_4e9760fc00cd4420b33f045ef93a8349.jpg

“The accusations, published in the The Sunday Telegraph, were coming from the same group of people who had tried unsuccessfully to discredit the IPCC and the “irrefutable science” on climate change by hacking personal emails of some scientists a few weeks ago, Pachauri said.

I note that Dr. Pachauri doesn’t contest or answer the accusations, but rather just deflects them by saying they were made by “the same group.”
It would be interesting to know exactly what the “irrefutable science” is. Maybe he is referring to some [magical] “science” which has no falsifiability test, and which, therefore, is not science at all.
Reply: Ok, I’m no fan of Pachauri, but you might want to at least read the linked articles before you make uninformed statements such as:

I note that Dr. Pachauri doesn’t contest or answer the accusations, but rather just deflects them by saying they were made by “the same group.”

Seriously, can we raise the discussion bar please? ~ ctm

Changing America with Propaganda.
Change you can believe in.

Pachauri and others keep saying there is irrefutable science on climate change. This is the most important aspect of the whole issue. If the evidence really did exists we wouldn’t be having all this fuss and argument. Given the debate is still alive, it proves there is no such evidence. I’ve yet to see any real evidence anyway to discuss. So, the debate continues until we are presented with the irrefutable science.

Someone asked if Phil Jones and Michael Mann have any large financial interests in IPCC related carbon schemes.
I suspect the answer is “No”. These guys are scientists, immersed in something much bigger and better than money, their self importance, hailed as visionary scientists, celebrities in their own right.
But really, they were just pawns in the whole affair. A group of fundamentalist scientists strapped to the ideology that the planet was at tipping point, whether it be through rising temperatures, over population, over consumption or a combination of all three.
The cap and traders grasped this fatalism from the beginning, promoting them, and their deluded ideology, elevating Jones, Mann & others to positions as celebrity scientists, to do the dirty work needed for Cap and Trade(mann made global warming). In the new elevated positions as saviors of the world, the scientists adjusted the science to comply with their own settled science. As celebritydom loomed larger, so to did their arrogance and contempt for others who did not follow the mantra.
It just took the likes of Pachauri, Gore, other financiers, charlatans to tap into the God delusion disorder of the scientists.
Mann and Jones were always going to be disposable. Throw the scientist to the lions, suggest better methods for future peer reviews, who cares, job complete for the cap and traders.

JackStraw (11:58:43) : …and that guy now lives in China. Which is the target he is aiming to?
Yes and Strong is all set to divert what is left of the wealth in the USA, Canada and the EU into making China the new world power. He is now an Advisor to China and Living in Beijing.
And who does Maurice Strong work for in Beijing? CH2M Hill.
CH2M Hill, 1946 in Corvallis, Oregon, is “an employee-owned, multinational firm providing engineering, construction, operations and related services to public and private clients in numerous industries on six continents. CH2M HILL offers integrated services that help …”
Strong’s cousin, Anna Louise Strong, was a Marxist, and a member of the Comintern. She spent two years with Mao and Chou En-lai. Her was burial in China in 1970 was personally organized by Chou En-lai. Strong visited China to persuade them to participate in the critical 1972 Stockholm Conference. The Chinese had not appeared at any U.N. function since the 1949 revolution. Strong was well received by the Chinese who took Strong to visit the grave of his cousin.

My Chrysler dealership is closed
Our family lost Cadillac and Pontiac\\Let me check out Rickshaws. Got to be a hot car line.
The EPA will not dare reject the Rickshaws for our standards.

Steve (12:11:28) :
“Despite the fact that a large portion of the world seems to be following this farce off the cliff, it’s still amazing to me that even a fraction of this information about Pachauri wold not bring this entire scheme to the ground….”
Steve I have asked socialist friends about this. I have pointed out that AGW is a scam devised to lead to Global Governance and they are all for it. They WANT to be come “good Global citizens” The brainwashing is much deeper than just AGW.
Here is a Chronology of Education showing how education has become twisted
http://www.crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/Chronology.htm
And yes I know the site has religious overtones, it does not mean the information is invalid. The fight for our freedom makes for strange bedfellows.

These UN poobahs are uniformly corrupt. Recall Kofi Annan as his huge family profits from the “Oil for Food” swindle.

‘certainly no one from the UK voted for Gordon Brown as PM.
Smokey – no one in the history of “The Mother of all Parliaments” has ever voted for the Prime Minister. The public vote for a party who then choose their leader.’
Voters in the UK choose a party AND a leader simultaneously, as all parties go into elections with their best leader already in situ. Increasingly the personality of the leader plays hugely with the intentions of the voter; a non-charismatic, glum, hardly articulate lump is an albatross about the neck of any party. Now we are to have Presidential-style leader debates for the three main parties on BBC, ITV and Sky. Don’t tell me or anyone else in the UK that we don’t elect leaders on the basis of how they appear in the media and that this does not massively sway where the voter puts his or her cross.

Pachauri claims:
“Every single payment that I receive goes to my organization (TERI) which is non-profit organization.
I have no doubt that his assertion is true. TERI probably is non profit, after Pachauri extracts his millions in salary and dividends.

This guy makes Bernie Madoff look penny ante.

Is someone in the UK clever enough to organise a blog to inform the steel workers of Redcar about Pachauri’s influence in the relocation of steel production to India and about his pivotal role in so many different pies. The Sunday Telegraph has a limited readership. On-line communications decided the Xmas no. ‘1’ record so it must be possible. Sadly, I’m an old Luddite barely computer literate otherwise I’d do it myself. Aiming at the money trail is the way to go; people understand that and are fully primed after our MPs expenses revelations. I suspect the scientists involved are the victims of hubris, but behind them stands money. The UK teaching of science, in general, is so poor that very few have the slightest grasp of any technical detail.

Vincent (10:33:35) :
“…It seems that one of the reasons that Maurice Strong lives in Beijing is that they do not have an extradition treaty with the USA or Canada. The authorities there wish to ask him some serious questions about the oil-for-food program and its misuse…”
Yes, Maurice Strong, has some rather unethical business dealings in his back ground. Strong had a history as a swindler long before his involvement with the oil-for-food program or Obama, Gore and the Chicago Climate Exchange. Strong has also been caught up insider trading scams such as the AZL Resources Lawsuit in a business deal with Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashogg (Iran-Contra Affair) and the Molten Metal Inc swindle involving Al Gore, The First Earth Day, tax payer money, lawsuits and a House Committee Investigation.
There is even alleged lawsuits tying Al Gore and Strong to the development of a new type of saboteur bomb!
“…. belief Gore hired Canadian privy councilors in 1994 to develop molten-metal bomb, hot enough to demolish steel-framed building or vaporize evidence of murder, arson and reinsurance frauds.” http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/cin-moltenmetalmurder.htm
Adnan Khashogg is another one worth doing a search on… if you can stomach reading about him.
If half of what is written about these people is true the cess pool is really deep.

tallbloke
I realize I did not make myself clear.
Strong, Gore and Obama have a finger in the carbon trade through “Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) – North America’s only cap and trade system” He has the ear of the Chinese government as their chief environmental advisor AND he works for an international engineering and Construction firm, CH2M Hill.
Also Strong is an advisor to the World Bank and was/is a chief advisor to the UN and somewhere in this mess- the leaked “Denmark papers” – the World Bank was going to be put in charge of the moneys headed for “developing nations”
So my dollars go to the Chicago Climate Exchange then to the World Bank then to the Chinese government and then to CH2M Hill to build China’s new factories. Notice Strong has a finger in every pie along the chain.

“Reply: Ok, I’m no fan of Pachauri, but you might want to at least read the linked articles before you make uninformed statements such as:
I note that Dr. Pachauri doesn’t contest or answer the accusations, but rather just deflects them by saying they were made by “the same group.”
Seriously, can we raise the discussion bar please? ~ ctm”

Fair enough; somehow I missed the links.

The first instalment of the expenses scam …
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/pachauri-basques-in-glory.html
lot more to follow.

I have no idea if Dr. Pachauri personally profits from his associations, and it doesn’t matter anyway. If he were motivated by fanatacism, that’s not any better than being motivated by greed. I wouldn’t want to casually throw around accusations about the man. What is important is that he is likely wrong, not who’s paying him.
I do find it interesting that he felt the need to put “irrefutable science” in quotes.

I don’t think Pachauri is truly desperate just yet.
If he was he would be playing the racist card and he has not done so yet from the links I have perused.
I am happy to be corrected here.
The Indian cricket board/team/fans have been using it for years.
If the UK/Australia/New Zealand cricket board/team/fans question your behaviour, scream RACIST! and you are now the victim.

Gail Combs (17:45:30) :
So my dollars go to the Chicago Climate Exchange then to the World Bank then to the Chinese government and then to CH2M Hill to build China’s new factories. Notice Strong has a finger in every pie along the chain.
First you have to send money to the CCE. That seems to be a dimming proposition given the collapse of carbon prices and scandal. However you make a good point re the China chain of corruption – which is China’s Achilles heel and predicts their future:
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1963

Bob Boulton,
“With this kind of return I would expect all high CO2 industries to be transferred from Europe to the developing world, and from the US once cap and trade gets going.”
That’s part of the plan, isn’t it – to cut back carbon emissions. At this rate Britain will soon be on target to meet the self imposed 20% reductions by 2020. I bet the champagne corks are already popping in Downing street.

I am still amazed how anyone with any scientific knowledge at all can claim irrefutable science.
There is no such thing, science is always refutable and it is this religeous belief in the science that is preventing them seeing most of the science is refuted as soon as they actually allow open access to data and methods so that any flaws can be seen.
As a computer programmer with some Astrophysics courses behind me, I know how easy it is to overlook a tiny detail or make an assumption on something that is only then shown to be faulty once many people have had hands and eyes on the end to end system and code.

Dr Anthony Fallone (15:57:24) :
“Don’t tell me or anyone else in the UK that we don’t elect leaders on the basis of how they appear in the media and that this does not massively sway where the voter puts his or her cross.”
This was not Smokey you were at contretemps with. It was I, a UK citizen.
This may be the first UK “election” where the point you make has some effect.
The public do not vote for the Prime Minister. The public can only vote for their local Member of Parliament. The party chooses its leader. The twain shall meet at one point, the juncture where only an MP can become PM. It may well be that charisma is an asset, the reason for a vacillating Joe Public to swap allegiance or even a preferred attribute, but it is not the lone factor when a leader is chosen by their party, or retained, when they gain power.
I will make a WAG here, David Cameron will survive as leader of the Conservative party, and by definition Prime Minister, for about 6 months if the Tories are called to power. He is not the true face of Conservativism, but he may well be the face deemed necessary to gain power and was put in place to do just that. Another waits quietly to step forward who will be very much less “caring and sharing” than “Dave” appears currently.
If voting could change anything it would swiftly be made illegal.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government gets in.

All the scares, manipulation of the media, politicisation of ‘science’, etc. are aimed at keeping the Carbon Market bubble inflated. When it bursts, it will make Madoff look like a choirboys’ picnic.

Conflict of interest, indisputably.
But this crosses the line into indisputably corrupt practice.
Seemingly, there is no restriction at the United Nations.
But it’s worse than that.
Lord Monckton’s concern about world government.
It would be run by guys like Pachauri.
What is this?
Un-elected world government rulers that own private interests that directly benefit from their “public” actions and policies.
Some might call it crony capital, but it’s a lot closer to Fascism.
The state runs private enterprise.

I just noticed the name of the jpg file which is at the top of this article.
I’m still laughing 5 minutes later 🙂

Henry Galt,
“If voting could change anything it would swiftly be made illegal.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government gets in.”
I don’t think I have ever read such outrageous cynicism. Spot on!

‘Vincent (08:55:56) :
Henry Galt,
“If voting could change anything it would swiftly be made illegal.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government gets in.”
I don’t think I have ever read such outrageous cynicism. Spot on!’
I forgot to agree with both Henry Gault and now Vincent: whatever the persona used by the party leader, the overall image of the ruling party at any one time is just the smiling, fleshy mask over the grinning skull of machine government. Democracy gives the illusion of change; any global government pushed for by people like Gordon Brown will be merely the skull stripped bare and laughing at us all.

Vincent (09:14:09) :
I wholeheartedly agree with your POV yet temper it with the major point from “The report from Iron Mountain”, uncertain, as I am, of its’ provenance.
In a world which finds itself unable to transition from war to peace, without (theoretically) crashing the global economy or invoking the war to end all wars, avenues must be found to create and channel regular, vast, profligate waste-
The war machine itself, as first amongst equals.
Commercial monopolies.
A constant stream of economic bubbles that inevitably burst.
Gigantic political machinery.
Government bonds.
Bailouts.
… etcetera.
Money makes our world go around.

Pachauri responds to the times article

From a comment on Pielke Jr. site