From the “weather is not climate” department, we have this unusual event in the south of France, in the French Rivera, from Yahoo news:
People are seen on the beach covered by snow in Nice, southeastern France, Saturday, Dec. 19, 2009. Temperature is 3 degrees celcius (37,2 Farenheit).
The above report is only short term, 8 years according tot he website, I’m writing this entry froma Starbucks while traveling so perhaps our readers can find a longer term snow record for Nice, France.
Snow on the French Riviera????
I am an American Expat living in Antibes (Nice) France. I live 5 blocks from the beach, and 3 blocks from Port Vabaun, the 2nd largest yacht port in the world. I thought living here, I would escape the ice and snow of my native Cincinnati, Ohio. Boy was I wrong!!!
CNN was no doubt telling it’s last two viewers the snow was caused by global warming.
O/T, but relevant.
“Now, a study published in the NZ Journal of Science back in 1980 reveals weather stations at the heart of NIWA’s claims of massive warming were shown to be unreliable and untrustworthy by a senior Met Office climate scientist 30 years ago, long before global warming became a politically charged issue. ”
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/nz-study-may-hold-key-to-faulty-world-temp-data.html
“Snowfall, although extremely rare, sometimes occurs.”
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:XxYcnBK5xbQJ:www.about-french-riviera.com/nice.html+french+riviera+snowfall+dates&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Had to go to the cached site, so the url is a bit ugly.
The video is from November 2008
Nice day to hit the beach! Meanwhile, here’s a cool public opinion survey on the credibility of scientists:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/12/18/GR2009121800213.html?sid=ST2009121800006
Q: How much do you trust the things that scientists say about the environment?
Compares answers in April 2007 with now. Trust is going down across the political spectrum. Though most intriguingly, those who trust “completely” has gone up (from 5% to 10%). But at the other extreme, those who trust “not at all,” has gone up faster (5% to 14%).
Also: WSJ has an astute article on Climate Change “Groupthink.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704238104574601762696721506.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
The linked video is dated November 24, 2008.
That’s last year, perhaps with all this snow becoming an annual event the property prices might fall, and I could afford to move there.
That’s not snow, it’s white soot.
Never, ever, ever let Al Gore visit.
whats up with the date on the video??
O/T
Following the link given by Adom Gallon, one arrives at the original article published in the NZ Journal of Science, by J.W.D. Hessel, “Apparent trends of mean temperature in New Zealand since 1930” (received june 1979):
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/hessell1980.pdf
The abstract reads:
“The evidence of apparent continuous warming over New Zealand since 1940 is examined from both physical and statistical standpoints. It is found that the exposures of most of the thermometers have been affected by changes in shelter, screenage and/or urbanisation, all of which tend to increase the observed mean temperature. A systematic analysis of all New Zealand climatological stations with sufficient lengths of records reveals that no important change in annual mean temperature since 1930 has been found at stations where the above factors are negligible. Neighbour stations comparisons support these findings”.
The final sentence of the conclusion reads: “It is concluded that the warming trends in New Zealand previously claimed, are in doubt and that as has been found in Australia (Tucker 1975) no clear evidence for long term secular warming or cooling in Australasia over the last 50 years exists as yet”.
COPENHAGEN [AP] – Shocked and shaken by the theft of the Auschwitz sign, the world community must now “take note” of another midnight action. This time its a deal brokered by US President Barack Obama at the largest and most important U.N. meeting ever on fighting global warming. The new deal, which abandons the most vulnerable of nations along with the world’s biologically rich tropical forests, continues a pattern of what international representatives call a “real lack of transparency” by the White House. Obama dismissed the UN’s criticisms of his unusual and undemocratic negotiating process as “cynicism” while declaring his unbinding document an “unprecedented breakthrough”. Obama’s document promises to funnel up to $100B a year through the UN Development Programme, widely known for its corruption. “The deal is a triumph of spin over substance,” said Jeremy Hobbs, executive director of Oxfam International, it “kicks back” on the issue of “climate cash”. Like the Nazis sending “6 million people into furnaces” in the Holocaust, Obama is condemning the world to wide-spread global warming deaths, other leaders pointed out. Meanwhile, outside in the cold, hundreds of European protesters chanted and carried signs of Obama with the word “shame” pasted on his face.
Then there’s also this:
2,000 trapped as Eurostar trains break down
Eurostar officials have speculated that the quick transition from the icy cold of France, which is suffering some of its worst winter weather in years, to the relative warmth of the tunnel could have interfered with the trains’ electrical systems. But the company’s chief operating officer, Nicolas Petrovic, said Eurostar will have to investigate why the trains broke down.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP-DkxBjO-6hw4Azs-8JYnQWosLgD9CMKS280
I am a bit confused. The iReport is from 2008, but the picture has Dec this year date. When I click on the link under the picture, it only takes me to AP images to register to buy an image? Could you put up a link to the recent story from 2009?
“People are seen on the beach covered by snow in Nice”,
I’m really getting tired of skeptics making specious claims. You are making the mistake of looking at the raw data. The adjusted data shows that was not snow.
I think the whole NHemishpere is going to get it this winter-Nino or No Nino.
That Polar jet has me a bit concerned…
Hello from France !
It’s not snow on the video : it was hailing !
Today, in France, we have snow, ice, low temperatures, but not many skeptics about global warming ! Heeeeeeelp !!!!!!! ;))
“-This is soooooo UN-presidented.”
I don’t know where to tip off Anthony, but I’ll put the tip here. The Times seems to give space also to sceptics:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/dominic_lawson/article6962842.ece
Weather is when it happens once – or maybe twice. When it happens more than that, it’s “CLIMATE”. I’ve spent 4+ years living with “weather” (Continental Divide Trail, Great Divide Trail and the Canadian Rockies, Alaska, Newfoundland and the Pacific Crest Trail – ALL of them colder than “normal” by 10 to 20 degrees). It stopped being “weather” today while I was shovelling the 20 inches of snow from a 100′ driveway – and then had to shovel my way back into the house.
– 19°C this evening north of Strasbourg, Alsace , France; but we still have some gluewein
http://www.drinknation.com/drink/gluewein
this still has to be overturned:
UK Telegraph: Copenhagen accord keeps Big Carbon in business
The Copenhagen summit achieved its main aim, to maintain the carbon-trading
system established by the Kyoto Protocol, says Christopher Booker
Naturally none of this was allowed to percolate the discussions in
Copenhagen where, behind all the playacting and flim-flam of the stage army
of activists (most of them subsidised by the world’s taxpayers), the only
real concern was to maintain the greatest financial scam the world has ever
seen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6845686/Copenhagen-accord-keeps-Big-Carbon-in-business.html
From the “weather is not climate” department, it’s currently -20°C in Nome, Alaska.. while it was +3°C in 1969 !
In Nome it was also +2°C on the 16th of December 1945 !
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/PAOM/2009/12/19/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/PAOM/1950/12/16/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
In another blog I used a link that took me to Sarah Palin’s facebook page. She seems to have the only balanced view on climate change I have seen from a politician. Check it out. I may keep an eye on her, which isn’t hard to do by the way.
Sooner or later the American people ae going to start believing their own eyes instead of what the politicians tell them.
Here in Baltimore, it has been snowing all day. The forecast is for 20″. It is by far the coldest period of heavy precipitation in the time I’ve been here (about six years), and, I suspect, much longer than that.
It’s all Bush’s fault.
Once upon a time, such unusual weather events were just that — an unusual weather event. Now, how many True Believers will point to this unusual weather event and call it further proof of global warming?
And they wonder why they have a credibility problem with normal people whose feet are planted firmly on the ground.
Snow is snowing! Wind is blowing! It’s cold and horrible! Someone alert the media!
Wait!
You don’t need to see the snow … These aren’t the pictures you’re looking for … Move along.
This will presumably have an impact on mean temperature for the year (Record warming?).
Hi guys,
I am a regular reader of this site and I live 60 miles from Nice, on the edge of the Alps at 3000ft. Last winter we had heaps of snow and very cold, the snow stayed around in the gullies til mid June (longer than any locals could remember). Same start to this winter and the skiing is great.
Merry Christmas one and all.
Timbo
To our French friends-at least in France you have Nukes, here in Oregon USA,
we are supposed to have Wind-which is generated from our politicians…
Would love to see France someday-I had a good friend from Alsace,haven’t seen him
since my university days…
It looks like I might see my first white Christmas here in Cambridge…
And once again it is proven that global warming is not happening. Jolly good!
Any pictures of sad greenies roaming the streets of “It’s Just a Big Hoax and No Deal in – hagen”, anyone?
No breaking news on sad protesters? How dissapointing is that!
All that travelling and protesting and freezin’ one’s but off and nothing to show for it when they came home to their pety little grey lives.
Not even a T-shirt stating “I was there and no one cared !” ?
OT:
On my daily commute to work by motorbike in freezing weather, I noticed a while back that my body becomes hyper sensitive to a change in temperature.
When passing a row of about a dozen well insulated houses on an otherwise empty country lane, I can feel a distinct warming, which is quite pleasant for the few seconds it lasts.
I think the heat island effect does not need very much urbanisation at all to make a difference to recorded temps.
AP-Seychelles bans Al Gore from visiting islands
In a sudden announcement, the Chairman of the Seychelles Tourism Board, Maurice Loustau-Lalanne, informed the gathered press corps that, after consulting Vice-President Joseph Belmont (cabinet member in charge of Tourism), Minister of Foreign Affairs Patrick Pillay, and President James Alix Michel, he had informed the American authorities that US ex-Vicepresident Al Gore was “persona-non-grata” in the islands. In a hastily arranged press conference, Mr Loustau-Lalanne said that “[I]n view of the recent events in Copenhagen and Nice, we have to protect our tourism industry from this roving catastrophe.” The Republic of Seychelles is heavily dependent on its tourist sector, which employs almost 30% of its workforce and brings most of its hard currency earnings. Mr Loustau-Lalanne added that “Mr Gore is well-loved in our islands for his constant fight to allow us to further tap Western largesse through his Climate Change policies, but at this juncture, after the failure of the COP15 and the uncertainty of future financial support, a sudden snowfall in our beautiful islands would ruin the tourist season.” Former US Vice-president Al Gore could not be reached for comments, though unnamed sources informed he had been granted an entry visa to Switzerland, a country which has been experiencing an atypically dry autumn.
I’m in the LImousin, south central France. The temperature at 09:30 this morning (CET) was minus 10.6 degrees. We have about 20 cm of level, frozen snow, for the third day running.
I’ve lived here three years, and this has been the coldest and snowiest in that time, and it’s not even Christmas yet!
Snow at the Monte Carlo Casino.
http://monte-carlo-daily-photo.blogspot.com/
Snow at Menton. One of the most beautiful towns on the French Riviera.
http://menton-daily-photo.blogspot.com/2009/12/rare-occurence.html
Our World Lie-ders only needed to put a cap on the freezing point of water, then we wouldn’t have all this snow everywhere…
Also, If they raised the cap, all the melting would reverse.
AP-Seychelles bans Al Gore from islands
In a sudden announcement, the Chairman of the Seychelles Tourism Board, Maurice Loustau-Lalanne, informed the gathered press corps that, after consulting Vice-President Joseph Belmont (cabinet member in charge of Tourism), Minister of Foreign Affairs Patrick Pillay, and President James Alix Michel, he had informed the American authorities that US ex-Vicepresident Al Gore was “persona-non-grata” in the islands. In a hastily arranged press conference, Mr Loustau-Lalanne said that “[I]n view of the recent events in Copenhagen and Nice, we have to protect our tourism industry from this roving catastrophe.” The Republic of Seychelles is heavily dependent on its tourist sector, which employs almost 30% of its workforce and brings most of its hard currency earnings. Mr Loustau-Lalanne added that “Mr Gore is well-loved in our islands for his constant fight to allow us to further tap Western largesse through his Climate Change policies, but at this juncture, after the failure of the COP15 and the uncertainty of future financial support, a sudden snowfall in our beautiful islands would ruin the tourist season.” Former US Vice-president Al Gore could not be reached for comments, though unnamed sources informed he had been granted an entry visa to Switzerland, a country which has been experiencing an atypically dry autumn.
something wrong with the picture, i live in chicago and know what snowfall looks like and this ain’t it.
why no snow on the sand banks, i know they are in the sun.
why no snow in the shaded pockets of the near sand bank.
just dont look right.
I used to live near Montpellier which is just along (and a bit south) on the same coast, and snow was pretty much unheard of. We lived in the mountains and used to go there to warm up in the winter.
The giveaway, I am told, is palm trees. If they thrive, the chances are it never freezes as they don’t normally survive a freeze.
Bleach blanket?
DaveE.
If you thought you had a hard time telling the difference between the French boys and girls before this…
On second thoughts, maybe SHOREAL bleaching. 😉
I know I’m not being censored but I’d still like to know why ALL my posts go to the spam filter.
DaveE.
[Reply: I would like to know too. Suspect a WordPress bug. Your posts are one of many that have to be constantly rescued. ~dbs, mod.]
@NC
Palin has no own opinions when it comes to policy. She is a talking point reciting machine. I wish the fascination with her would end already.
This seems to be the source:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//091219/481/603d554f4c774822bd1a36f32ae5c907/
Jones/Mann Fourth Law of Thermodynamics: Anthropogenic Global Warming triggers unprecedented localized cooling that is negated when homogenized for anomalies behavior.
Robert Felix of IceAgeNow thinks that some of these mega snow-storms are the result of warmer oceans being heated by incredible amounts of underwater volcanic activity.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Underwater_volcanoes_heat_the_seas.htm
The U.S has seen two mega storms so far, the one earlier in December and the one slamming D.C. and Winter is technically still 2 days away from starting.
Also, Intellicast is showing an incredible cold pool set to develop over Siberia and NOAA is showing the AO index off the bottom of the chart and may stay that way almost to January.
Mark Vogen is also predicting major cold starting at the close of December as well, this makes me hope Wichita gets off the cold easy but still get a nice bunch of snow.
Here are my top reasons AGW is science fiction and not science for anyone not shoveling snow today:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11932
Cheers
What makes this more astonishing is the snow stands immediately next to the sea. A sea that has historically an average December temp of 8C or 46F. Hmmmm.
Oregon coast is living up to its reputation… its mid 50’s to 60 degrees… beautiful foggy but warm day. However this is a change from the cold of last week, when we were coldest in 40 years or so.
Here is a source for some Nice snow data.
http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Nice/12-1973/76900.htm
Looks like Dec 2, 1973 had some snowfall.
Wow ! just wow !
Here we have the team’s “Winston Smith”, where the MWP was erased from all further editions of News Speak.
Lawrence Solomon: Wikipedia’s climate doctor
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/12/19/lawrence-solomon-wikipedia-s-climate-doctor.aspx
”
But the Medieval Warm Period was not so great for some humans in our own time — the same small band that believes the planet has now entered an unprecedented and dangerous warm period. As we now know from the Climategate Emails, this band saw the Medieval Warm Period as an enormous obstacle in their mission of spreading the word about global warming. If temperatures were warmer 1,000 years ago than today, the Climategate Emails explain in detail, their message that we now live in the warmest of all possible times would be undermined. As put by one band member, a Briton named Folland at the Hadley Centre, a Medieval Warm Period “dilutes the message rather significantly.”
”
H/T Andrew Bolt
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_how_the_cabal_controlled_wikipedia/
Jim Owen (14:36:21) :
‘– and then had to shovel my way back into the house.’
Been there, done that. Back in the70s, I lived in Leadville, Co. One year It snowed at least once per month.
France gets 80% of its electricity from nuclear. Cold weather is what the French deserve for not producing their share of CO2.
You know, there was a time that I believed that the planet had warmed up in the 20th century but only as a result of natural causes. Now, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that there was no real global warming at all, anthropogenic or otherwise. It seems now that that it was all a pile of BS.
You got a link to that please?
Never mind, move along…. 🙂
Are you sure it’s not a fake? It’s from the AP. I don’t trust anything from the AP any more.
I voted for an idiot that last time. And I thought I had done my homework! I will not be jumping on anyone’s band wagon next time till I have tripled my homework. The media can paint anyone any color you want to read about. And that is the key. That you want to read about. More hits, more color geared just for you. Buyer beware. Next time, I wouldn’t even vote for Jesus if the media got involved.
Not unusual to find pics on the walls of bars and restaurants in S. France and further south depicting snow (it is unusual). A lot date from the same period and if you are one of those “sceptics”, especially a “cyclical sceptic” you will have no trouble guessing which period.
And Oregon hinterlands are living up to theirs. Never got above 33 degrees at my ranch. Roads are impassable for anyone contemplating quaffing a few at the tavern. So, I am stuck at the ranch drinking the last of the sherry. And it’s Saturday night for gawdsake!
In the “weather is not climate” department, I posted a new article on my blog:
“Is climate more than weather? Is weather just noise?”
http://scienceofdoom.com/2009/12/19/is-climate-more-than-weather-is-weather-just-noise/
Although one cold spell in one place isn’t significant, there have been a lot of comments from the more IPCC inclined community that a year or two of global cooling doesn’t mean anything. “It’s just noise”. But Keith Trenberth (top IPCC scientist) thinks differently. If it’s cooler, it’s really cooler. Where did the heat go? We should be able to explain it. I.e., it isn’t “noise”.
Take a look.
Shameless blog post over.
Pamela Gray (16:31:59) :
I voted for an idiot that last time. And I thought I had done my homework!
But did you read this?
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/black_guy_asks_nation_for_change
Oh it’s nicer
much nicer
In Nice.
Jack in Oregon-used to live in Port Orford and Coos Bay, some of the best weather for driving my convertible Mustang was in January and February.
Though in ’88/’89 and ’92 there were some cold days but not this early.
My wife misses her Rose Garden and Roses in December. But in NE Oregon
zone 5a/b we have little black spot…
This Siberian/Canadian cold has me more than a bit worried..
By the way, I wonder what the folks on the beach are thinking? I think the guy in the surf is taking a leak. The woman looking down and not wanting to touch it is asking, “What the hell is that?” The two dancers are probably smokin so they don’t even know it’s cold, and the crouched person is examining the white stuff up close and personal, “I tried putting it up my nose but it’s too damned cold! Hey, I could put some of this in my wine and actually drink it cold!”
Just keep in mind the proper mantra…
If it’s snow, it’s weather.
If it’s hot, it’s global warming.
Pamela Gray (16:31:59) :
1st, I’m U.K. so maybe shouldn’t comment.
I was originally impressed with Obama, then later, the more I learned, the more I was telling people, “They’ll never vote him in, he HATES America!” You weren’t the only one fooled. I know you’re intelligent but sometimes that works against you.
DaveE.
Ditto.
First, the US measurements are completely unreliable (see Anthony Watts’s Surface Stations Project, http://www.surfacestations.org/ ).
And the indefatigable EM Smith has show how the world’s thermometers have ‘marched’ southward—those that did not sit still while heat-producing airports grew up around them: http://chiefio.wordpress.com/
Then the Russians reveal that CRU cherry-picked their warmest measurements:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/16/russian-iea-claims-cru-tampered-with-climate-data-cherrypicked-warmest-stations/#more-14241
Now a paper from 1980 throws all the New Zealand data out:
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf
Up to now, even the skeptics have generally admitted the warmist claims that there was some modest overall warming during the 20th century, but it is looking more and more likely that there was in fact—
None.
That’s right, not only is the hypthesis that human-produced CO2 causes measurable planetary warming not verifiable, but there has been no warming to measure.
And the measurements that show it are fraudulent.
Need more proof? Read AJ Strata’s little dissertation (referenced above), which demonstrates nicely the statistical hocus-pocus the alarmists have used to fool the public (and most of the scientific community, which is revealed as surprisingly gullible): http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11932
It’s time for some gutsy public figures to stand up and denounce the whole ‘global-warming’ scam. So far the only one who has (in the USA), apart from mavericks like Senator Inhofe, is Sarah Palin.
/Mr Lynn
No topless girls there today…..
u.k.(us) (15:27:21) :
There is a lot of white sand in the Med. overnight snow would settle there better there than on the darker areas in the photo.
DaveE.
Brrrr!
OverCôte d’Azur
My wife and I have been to Nice at Christmas. On Christmas Day we saw Santa Claus on waterskis – well the guy’s gotta relax after a hard night’s work!
It can get cold in Southern France in winter due to a strong cold airflow that begins in Siberia called the “Mistral”
But snow is definitely unusual. Not “unprecendented”, though.
John A -my wife spent some time in Nice back in the 70’s-during a Mistral
event-not good when you and your ex were trying to get the heater going in a rented
VW Westphalia…
SNOWING ON GERALDO RIVIERA?
Naw, that’s just mustache dandruff.
This is all I can find for current conditions, and forcast.
http://riviera.angloinfo.com/weather/
“0°C
(32°F)
Partly Cloudy
Feels like -6°C (21°F)”
It will be interesting to see the MSM start crawling out of the woodwork now that the summit is over and the cat is out of the bag. Whilst the bloggers on the DT have been having a field day, there have been no main articles on the AGW debate, – until now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/matthewd_ancona/6845870/Copenhagen-was-the-MPs-expenses-scandal-writ-large.html
It will be interesting to see how many of them now start to play catchup and change their tune. Brown, like Blair before him, abandoned the UK when he realised his domestic policies had failed, and he has now failed to save the world. (but gave away a lot of our money while trying). So, nice that its snowing in Nice, but I’d rather it rained on the politicians parade.
1000 easy. A Piece of Ice-cake.
Anthony you got a tiger by the tail here !
Impressive !
DaveE (16:56:33) :
u.k.(us) (15:27:21) :
In fact, that appears to be the color of some of the beaches.
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0405/beach_in_nice_france.jpg
So maybe it isn’t so, though from the forcast I saw it’s a bit chilly, though not uber-cold.
According to Newsbusters.org, one William Connolley appears to have gone to great lengths to remove many inconvenient facts from the Wikipedia that might cast doubt on the anthropogenic global warming theory.
According to the article by Mathew Sheffield on Dec 19, 2009, Mr. Connolley has rewritten articles on global warming, the greenhouse effect, instrumental temperature records, the urban heat island effect, and erased material on the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period. “All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles.”
History and science appear to be changing before our eyes.
K. Bray (17:51:59) :
1000 easy. A Piece of Ice-cake.
Anthony you got a tiger by the tail here !
Impressive !
Sorry, posted to the wrong thread…..
Still IMPRESSIVE !
DaveE (16:56:33) :
u.k.(us) (15:27:21) :
something wrong with the picture, i live in chicago and know what snowfall looks like and this ain’t it.
why no snow on the sand banks, i know they are in the sun.
why no snow in the shaded pockets of the near sand bank.
just dont look right.
There is a lot of white sand in the Med. overnight snow would settle there better there than on the darker areas in the photo.
DaveE.
o.k. i guess it is snow. here’s a better picture (that actually looks like snow). http://www.daylife.com/photo/0daL8td0mWe1B
but it sure is rotten snow!! 🙂
With any luck many of the thousands of passengers stuck in four trains in the Channel Tunnel by the most “extreme weather” for eight years will have been delegates making their way home from Copenhagen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/eurostar/6844320/Eurostar-pledges-inquiry-into-hellish-ordeal-of-cold-weather-passengers.html
“The ports of Dover and Calais have also been closed due to the extreme weather conditions and Kent Police issued an urgent warning for drivers to stay away from the Folkestone and Dover areas of the M20.
A cold weather front has caused major problems in parts of the UK in the last couple of days and further snow is forecast.
Snow covered roads, rails and runways, causing travel chaos for thousands of people at the beginning of the seasonal getaway.
The UK’s second-busiest airport – Gatwick in West Sussex – was shut for more than seven hours with scores of flight delays and cancellations, while there were no early-morning flights at Luton airport in Bedfordshire. ”
Severe weather leads to Europe being cut off.
Does anyone know what’s going on in the land down under?
How is their summer progressing?
Forget France, what about America?
The East Cost is shut down.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/winter/2009-12-18-snow-flooding_N.htm
And here in Cent., FL, tonight’s forcast is: “Temperatures are expected to drop below freezing Sunday night in Citrus, Hernando, Pasco, and northern Polk Counties”
I’m going to vote on how a candidate sees the issues. We need legislators who know the truth on this issue we all are so concerned about. This is desperately needed from us. If power plants and refineries are not being built, our capacity is waning out from under us, and eventually, rates will skyrocket. We could see rolling blackouts like CA had. Here in WA, a developer is proposing a fairly expensive solar farm (undoubtedly heavily subsidized) and I fear, will probably yield far less than capacity because we get so little sun. Well, Environmentalists are already lining up against him, claiming catastrophic damage to nearby streams, loss of wildlife, etc. This solar farm will require 900 acres to produce a quoted 73 Megawatts (and a probable 10-30MW) A coal fired plant consumes only 300 acres, and typically produces ~300 MW. So, possibly a 10 to 30 fold advantage on 1/3 the acreage of forest.
Snow on the French Riviera happens from time to time, although not every year. I assume one year out of two on the average in 1990s&2000s decades, including several time heavily enough for disrupting for hours the motorway traffic. I remember it since I was working on traffic data in 1990s.
XD, Paris.
… in this chapter “weather is not climate” I can mention that it seems to me that recent years have brought snow in Paris more often than in 1990s. I have not checked it out from meteo DBs ; it is just a personnal memory glimpse.
KenS (18:22:56) :
“Does anyone know what’s going on in the land down under?
How is their summer progressing?”
What summer?
http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/australia-a-snowy-dusting-in-victorias-summer/
I wonder if the Riviera has signs that say, “Caution, beaches freeze before roads.”?
Ken S
I am in Tasmania,and we have had a strange spring and onset of summer so far.We have had a couple of hot days,with cool,cloudy days most of the time.Cold nights too.The rest of Australia seems to have had a few days of high temperaturest,then cooler temps in repeated pattern..I have noticed a lot of cloud cover that immediately drops the temperature,that’s just here in Launceston (northern Tasmania)though.
Amazing. UK climate scientist and Green Party activist, William Connolley of Realclimate.org, is Wikipedia’s climate doctor. The green doctor single-handedly rewrote 5,428 wiki climate articles starting in 2003. Check it out:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/blog.html?b=fullcomment&e=lawrence-solomon-wikipedia-s-climate-doctor&s=Opinion
Where do these crooked scientist come from?
Mr Lynn (16:54:38)
Thanks for those links.
KenS (18:22:56) :
Does anyone know what’s going on in the land down under?
How is their summer progressing?
Downunder we do, yes.
We’ve had some warmish days in Sydney, but overall wet and a bit cool for this time of year, about 1C below the normal avg I would guess from the weather.com forecasts and records. The pool is not as warm as I’d like yet….
Adelaide have had some hot days, I hear. When I’ve been in North Queensland in the tropics over the last few months it’s been wet and about average, I’d say, perhaps a bit cool (as my mate says “you would not want to spend more than an our or too outside without a shirt at night” – obvioulsy ‘cool’ is relative).
>u.k.(us) (15:27:21) :
>something wrong with the picture, i live in chicago and know what snowfall >looks like and this ain’t it.
>why no snow on the sand banks, i know they are in the sun.
>why no snow in the shaded pockets of the near sand bank.
>just dont look right.
The ‘beach’ at Nice is actually made of small rocks. It’s not sand at all, more like river pebbles.
The ‘sandbanks’ you can see are actually painted concrete and/or rock walls. Because the whole beach faces due south in Nice, these concrete walls would have warmed up considerably with any type of sunlight and melted any snow. I guess the rocky beach doesn’t get as hot.
Now maybe we’ll hear fewer claims that “It’s woesw than we thought”.
If I hear that term again I’ll have to bitch slap someone.
KenS
I’m at 27 deg S Latitude on the East Coast of Australia, and I can tell you it’s been a hot, dry summer for me so far. But then, we get one of two types of summer here in the sub-tropics – either warm and wet, or hot and dry. El Nino calls the shots. 2 years ago it was a terribly wet summer with few fine days. This year, nice and sunny but not much rain. Nothing untoward though – no 40 degree (C) days or anything like that.
But then, that’s exactly how I remember it as a kid as well. Some years the lawn would be as crispy as breakfast cereal. Other years it would grow so much you’d have to mow twice a week. Every year it was hot enough to swim in the pool at night time. Still is. You can keep your snow.
KenS (18:22:56) :
Does anyone know what’s going on in the land down under?
How is their summer progressing?
Yay! I was just about to mention that.
I couldn’t find the average temps from the Aus BOM website, but it doesn’t take a Sherlock to figure out that the December, 2009 in Sydney has so far been ‘coolish’ and is predicted to remain so for the next week.
Mapou (19:20:34) :
Wow! That National Post article is definitely worth a post on WUWT.
I just checked William Connolley’s wiki page. The picture clearly shows an unrepentant and determined William Connolley running away from the cameras after stealing a little kid’s teddybear in his backpack somewhere in Lescun between 2000-2006.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Connolley
From BoM data : Sydney – Observatory Hill
Dec 09 to 19th Mean Min 18.6 Long Term Mean Min 17.5
Dec 09 to 19th Mean Max 25.8 Long Term Mean Max 25.2
Forecast daily max for the coming week vary from 22 to 29.
Not as cool as you imagine.
Look here:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/200912/html/IDCJDW2124.200912.shtml
Not sure if it has been mentioned here, in Australian MSM there are reports that Washington DC has experienced it’s worst ever snow fall, and Euro Tunnel trains stuck in under the English channel.
Maybe Climategate is working after all.
December 20th, 2009, we’re well in to summer, today however, inner-west is ~24c. Not sure how this one will be spun into the warmest December ever, and warmest decade.
The BBC still cannot understand the incongruity of reporting the end of the Global Warming conference, followed swiftly by blizzards in eastern USA and most of western Europe. It was -14 and blowing at 25mph in Brussels this morning, but not a single quip or smirk from the BBC.
You couldn’t make it up.
.
IPCC 2007 – VIRTUALLY CERTAIN for the 21st Century – warmer and fewer cold days and nights, reduced disruption to transport due to snow and ice, reduced energy demand from heating
Record snow buries US cities
Valdez Alaska: the snow was piled 5 feet, 8 inches deep
Nice – French Riviera – first ever snowfall in ….. years – not so nice
England – 5 trains stuck in Chunnel then 1 breaks down in Kent – due to the “extreme cold”
Record snowfall totals were reported Saturday afternoon at Washington Dulles and Reagan National airports — and snow was still falling. Accumulation at Dulles reached 16 inches, breaking the old record of 10.6 inches set December, 12, 1964; 13.3 inches was reported at Reagan. The old record there was 11.5 inches set December 17, 1932.
What was Washington’s record snowfall in 1932? 30 cms
What is Washington’s snowfall forecast by dawn Sunday? 61 cmz
That record isnt going to be broken, its going to be OBLITERATED
13th December – Environment Canada recorded a frigid -46.1 C, or -58.4 with wind chill, at the Edmonton International Airport at 5 a.m., Environment Canada meteorologist Pierre Lessard said.
The old record of -36.1 C was set last year, he said. “To break a temperature by 10 degrees is very exceptional,”
Snow causes travel chaos in Europe from Bucharest to Britain
IPCC 2007 – VIRTUALLY CERTAIN for the 21st Century – warmer and fewer cold days and nights, reduced disruption to transport due to snow and ice, reduced energy demand from heating
Pictures of the White Whitehouse anyone – with a caption contest
Hi, it seems a an all-time low (FOR DECEMBER, 19th) has been reached in Langres this night : -16°C (3° F).
Link :
http://www.meteociel.fr/temps-reel/obs_villes.php?code2=7283&jour2=19&mois2=11&annee2=2009&envoyer=OK
Call me an absolute nutjob…
But I sure am hoping we see one helluva freezing cold 2010.
Just to stick it to ’em.
Climate gawds, please make us all freeze our butts off !
Sherlock (21:10:40) :
Thanks, Sherlock! Honestly, I never cared about looking for long term December average temps for Sydney in the BOM website until three days ago, and I didn’t realise that the ‘weather’ information I was looking for was tucked under ‘climate’ until today.
Still, I was trying to compare this December’s temperatures with the last ten years or so that I’ve lived in Sydney, just several Kms to the west of the Sydney Observatory. The long term temperature averages you’ve provided seem to cover the years between 1861-2000. Have you got a BOM page that shows December temperature averages since 2000?
Hi sHx,
the long term averages I provided cover 1859 to 2009. I can’t find anywhere that shows 2000 to 2009 averages, although you can select 30 year averages as per the drop down menu.
Looky here :
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_066062.shtml
If you go to the page I posted earlier and scroll down you can go back 14 months so you will get Dec 08. I’ll keep looking though!!!!
This is worth a posting on its own hahahah
[ snip- we don’t post the Hitler parody video here – for the same reason we don’t want people called “deniers” – we don’t need this sort of association – Anthony]
Could someone explain to me how the average temperatures are calculated for the ClimateZone table linked in the header?
Scary,
“Eurostar passenger trains will remain suspended on Sunday because of concerns about the wintry weather.
More than 2,000 people were trapped in the Channel Tunnel for up to 16 hours after condensation caused a series of electrical failures on Friday night. ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8422978.stm
point taken
I spent the winter of 1984 on a yacht in Port Vauban, Antibes and not only did it snow but most of the surface water in the port froze. Snow also happens on rare occasions in Palma Majorca, which like Nice is protected to the North by mountains.
A lesson?:
http://muttscomics.com/art/images/daily/120609.gif
We do have snow on the adriatic cost and the temperatures below 10°C!!! This Al Gore really a little exaggerates bringing such a cold to Europe!
KenS (18:22:56) :
In southern NZ early Spring (August) was great. Since then it has been cold in the main with a great deal of wind. Much of Spring was grey but dry, December has seen very strong winds, some rain but only a few warm days. For the East Coast, pretty much standard El Nino. As a guide – no weekend barbeques and only a couple of days fishing. The Dunedin Santa parade was rained off and today we had hail (again) and a gale force southerly. I’ve needed the heat pump virtually every evening.
However, we are promised a great improvement later in the week.
Happy Christmas, everyone.
A couple of weeks ago there were people swimming in the sea off Antibes, but the last week or so has seen the temperatures here on the (Over)Côte d’Azur drop significantly.
However the microclimates mean that where I live we haven’t seen any snow just a frost in the mornings.
Most winters we get a few days like this, but not very many. This year we seem to be having rather more.
Pamela Gray (16:47:28) :
“By the way, I wonder what the folks on the beach are thinking? I think the guy in the surf is taking a leak. …”
Best time to go there is late spring and early autumn. Live webcam here to check for snow or else.
http://pv.viewsurf.com/?id=40
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fraise/4196673705/
Apparently first snow in Nice since 2005…
On Sky News this morning (Sunday) Henry Kelly was reviewing the papers, and he doesn’t believe in the global warming myth, either, and gave Christopher Booker’s article in the Sunday Telegraph good coverage.
BBC Breakfast, however, was interviewing someone about Copenhagen, and never even mentioned the alternative thinking – they never do. Also, that awful leftie Kevin Maguire was reviewing the papers.
Why is the British media so wrapped up with socialism, and truth-hiding? It’s incredible, considering the air-time given to the unflappable, calm and informative Lord Monckton in Canada? All the British media can do is wheel out the same panicky alarmist gloom mongers, who are hell bent on crushing sceptics, without saying why.
After all that’s happened, can’t some enterprising member of the public (or industry) take out some sort of class action against the government (and its BBC arm) for rushing headlong into cash-wasting policies on a whim, because they’ve been misinformed and choose to take the opposite action to that dictated by common sense?
How long do we have to sit, powerless, and take this stuff – watching our politicos destroying us against our express wishes?
I live in SW France about 50km from the bay of biscay (Gascoigne) for us. We have had cold and lately snow for about a week with temps down to -9°C and not above freezing for 3 days. My fioul oil normally last me 9 months. I filled the cuve 1 month ago and the fill before that was last january. The current fill is already half gone.
AND unlike the rest of you our enlightened president (cue marsieille) has imposed a €17 /tonne carbon tax from Jan 1 2010.
My very old neighbours (famillies have been here for 7 generations) tell me that it is rare for us to have very cold weather before xmas although I remeber that 2002 Dec was cold +4°C. Average here is +10 – +12. So we have been going at 10°C below normal for several days.
here in bern, switzerland, was -14C last night. and it is not even winter yet.
AdderW,
I got you there for two minutes, didn’t I?
FD
AdderW (16:25:32) :
AdderW (16:23:34)
Frederick Davies (15:27:04) :
AP-Seychelles bans Al Gore from islands
You got a link to that please?
Never mind, move along…. 🙂
Definitely once and possibly twice there was sufficient snow in Nice in the 1980s to go cross-country ski-ing in the palm trees.
Can’t remember the exact years but I suspect 1984/5 was one year – incredibly cold for about 5 weeks from pre-Christmas toward end of January.
I remember seeing the pictures in the UK Press at the time.
a lot of cold noise falling outside today
Please help me,
Could someone explain to me how the average temperatures are calculated for the ClimateZone table linked in the header.
Re: Mapou (19:20:34) :
Amazing. UK climate scientist and Green Party activist, William Connolley of Realclimate.org, is Wikipedia’s climate doctor.
…
Where do these crooked scientist come from?
—
Cambridge, and I have a sneaking suspicion he used to date a housemate while I was studying there. Very keen to share his beliefs which almost caused us to do a Santer on him a few times. Wiki actions go to show how much the consensus has been stage managed though.
Duh, the data shows it is getting colder. A few more years of this and we can finally bury this dead horse.
Snow engulfs US East Coast
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8423153.stm?ls
Five dead as snowstorm engulfs US East Coast
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8423153.stm?ls
Weather chaos in Europe and North America
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8422827.stm
In pictures: Europe’s cold snap
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8423251.stm
Eurostar trains suspended as cold weather continues
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8422978.stm
“Climate Change Experiment Results”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/climateexperiment/whattheymean/theuk.shtml
Overnight temp here was -4C which is nothing for many of you guys but is pretty unusual for the Edinburgh area in mid-December. The forecast is showing nothing above a max of +2 until next Saturday. That is also unusual for the time of year. Cold spells of 10 days don’t usually hit us until into the new year.
My daughter tells me that at Alpe d’Huez it hit -23C (-40 with the wind-chill) on Friday and they closed the top lifts “on the grounds that someone would probably die.”
Unheard of.
Just weather, you understand, but still …
“Not Amused (22:04:14) :
Call me an absolute nutjob…
But I sure am hoping we see one helluva freezing cold 2010.
Just to stick it to ‘em.
Climate gawds, please make us all freeze our butts off !”
Not Amused, if you are a nutjob then I am also and that makes the two of us a cult!
I’m hoping for a whole lot more than just a cold winter; I’m hopeful for at least a world wide average temp drop of at least 3 to 4 degress C or F (Your choice) and I’m willing to perform what ever animal sacrifice or ritual that would result in that type of long term temp drop occurring over at least the next 30 to 50 years.
Just kidding about the animal sacrifice,,, unless the “dumb” animal’s name is,,,,,,,,
On November 10 NOAA issued their monthly press release on U.S. temperatures that stated October 2009 was the third coldest on record and was 4F degrees below the 20th century average.
Here it is December 20 and no news for November.
Would I be a sceptic if I suspect that November was also below average and that NOAA is holding the info until after the Copenhagen focus is over?
I live in Nice, it is indeed cold this week, but we’ve had snow like this before.
Mo
Meanwhile…
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
In case anybody is still looking at this thread, nice timely cartoon in yesterday’s TIMES/London:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00661/TTM191901CC_RGB_ONL_661678a.jpg
“A cold weather front has caused major problems in parts of the UK in the last couple of days and further snow is forecast.
Snow covered roads, rails and runways, causing travel chaos for thousands of people at the beginning of the seasonal getaway.”
Have the traffic authorities neglected to stock up on rock salt again? Was it, again, on the MET’s advice?
‘Bob Moss (07:28:42) :
On November 10 NOAA issued their monthly press release on U.S. temperatures that stated October 2009 was the third coldest on record and was 4F degrees below the 20th century average.
Here it is December 20 and no news for November.
Would I be a sceptic if I suspect that November was also below average and that NOAA is holding the info until after the Copenhagen focus is over?’
You would be a skeptic Bob: it was definitely issued as I saw it and it was very much ABOVE average.
2009 after 11 months was pretty much normal, with a few states above and a few states below.
Richard … IPCC 2007 – VIRTUALLY CERTAIN for the 21st Century – warmer and fewer cold days and nights, reduced disruption to transport due to snow and ice, reduced energy demand from heating.
I don’t have the full 2007 report. Can you please provide the exact reference … page number etc.
Thank you.
Clive
It’s funny, even in the ’70’s when it used to snow like this, the authorities did have equipment to deal with it but it still brought the country to a standstill.
I do not envy anyone stuck on M3, M4, M20 and M25 corridors in snow like this.
A nice article in Norwegian largest newspaper Aftenposten.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?prev=no&hl=en&u=http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article3432761.ece
The cold freezes European firm
Several people have frozen to death, and planes and trains is set due to cold. In addition, creating snow trafikkaos several places.
Cold and snow characterizes much of Europe in the days before Christmas. In Poland, the authorities reported that at least 49 people have frozen to death since 1 December. 15 of them died at the weekend, according to NTB.
Roger Knights (10:41:40) :
“Have the traffic authorities neglected to stock up on rock salt again? Was it, again, on the MET’s advice?”
To expand the point. Last February UK almost came to a halt for a few days under a light dusting of snow.
It later emerged that many Local Authorities had reduced their stocks of road salt by following the official Met Office advice that cold winters were becoming unlikely. Therefore, any public service employee might have faced charges of reckless spending had they kept their local salt depots properly stocked.
The whole country more or less ran out, stocks were belatedly shipped in from abroad ( despite UK mining its own salt) and there were even reports of table salt being used at hospitals and the like.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/4524365/Snow-Britain-Travel-chaos-as-councils-run-out-of-grit.html
All thisrecord freezing cold weather onthe globe coinciding with the global warming summit in Chopanchangin. There really is a God, and he’s got a wicked sense of humor.
From a “like climate zones” perspective that’s akin to snow on the beach in San Francisco or Monterey.
Repeat after me:
“But it’s a warm snow!”…