Guest post by John Coleman – KUSI-TV, Weather Channel Founder
December 7, 2009
David and Goliath
The 21st century Goliath is Global Warming. It is a powerful six-legged monster. In no order of strength, those legs are:
(1) The big money climate change scientists and their powerful institutions from governmental centers to Universities,
(2) The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which is a Geneva-based, highly funded bureaucracy controlled by one-world government political activists,
(3) Environmentalists who seek to use threats of climate chaos to stop the use of fossil fuels and return to a simpler, more “natural”, primitive lifestyle,
(4) Government at all levels whose political leaders find dealing with global warming is their opportunity to save us all from disaster cementing their status and success,
(5) The media populated by people who love to warn us of impending disaster and give us the advice we need to cope, who believe in Al Gore and his political party and who know that “the sky is falling” is the best headline of them all,
(6) Al Gore, who uses his status as a successful former Senator and Vice President to provide a platform to promote his message of doom and gloom, a message he learned in his only college science class and must have truly believed for many years but should see now is only an empty threat.
The total financial resources and power structure behind Goliath are staggering.
Goliath now occupies Copenhagen. For the 15th time, Goliath is meeting to publicize his long list of threatened consequences if do not head his demands. The ice will melt, the coasts and islands will flood displacing millions and killing tens of thousands; the polar bears and eventually thousands of other species will die as habitats are destroyed; hurricanes will become superstorms wrecking havoc on the coastal cities killing tens of thousands; heat waves will kill more hundreds of thousands as they grip the planet; drought and heat will destroy our agriculture starving untold millions more. He tells us this is because of our carbon footprints left by our burning of fossil fuels emitting exhaust of carbon dioxide.
Fifteen thousand “delegates” are attending Goliath’s conference coming by hundreds of private jet aircraft, riding in over a thousand limos, occupying every hotel room for miles around and all living on expense accounts paid by taxpayers and stock holders. They are making speeches, politicking one another and most importantly negotiating how much the people of each of their nations will reduce their carbon footprints in coming years, having a major impact on all our lifestyles.
Meanwhile, here at home The Environmental Protection Administration, part of Goliath’s government leg, just classified carbon dioxide as a pollutant that is an endangerment to our lives. And the US Congress is working with the President on legislation known as Cap and trade that will make all of us pay taxes for our carbon footprints.
Goliath is a rich and very powerful monster. He thrives on carbon dioxide.
David is tiny and weak. He is composed of:
30 thousand scientists who sign a petition but only a few hundred of whom have the specialized education, skill and positions to do unfunded or underfunded research that debunks the carbon dioxide greenhouse claims of Goliath,
A handful of struggling policy institutes that strive to stage events to educate the public and media about the global warming myth,
The internet, a resource that is open to all on both sides to communicate and educate and organize and protest as best the skeptics can, There skeptics have established websites and blogs and posted videos, some serious and some as clever as animated musical parodies,
Talk radio with a hundred solid talk hosts who cover all aspects of the folly of global warming and reach several million people,
And a small cadre of elected officials from one or two Senators to a hand-full of members of the House of Representatives, to the President of Czech Republic and a small collection of other office holders who understand the science and are brave enough to join a minority group.
We are outmanned, poor by comparison and somewhat leaderless and disorganized.
How can David win this battle? The rocks he throws are small and his rock pile is small. Time is short before the consequences of increased government control, a scaled back and altered lifestyle and, most of all, establishment of bad science as a controlling instrument.
David has one great strength, however: Truth.
There is no significant man-made global warming, there has not been any in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future. Carbon dioxide is a natural trace gas in the atmosphere with very limited greenhouse impact on temperatures and naturally produced CO2 greatly exceeds the CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels. There is no tipping point when the impact of CO2 sets in to cause an increased impact because of “forcing.” The bad science behind the global warming myth is based on a hypothesis that has failed.
Superman fought for “truth, justice and the American way.”
So is David. But he is no Superman. The battle goes on.
John Coleman
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner
Very nice. Although I would add the agenda-driven Nobel commitee to the list, maybe as a tail. But then again, it’s possible that the Nobel clowns are being paid by powerful interests within government.
It’s good to see that public opinion is turning around on this issue. Wired is getting their butts whipped by their readers at the moment after posting an article titled “The Psychology of Climate Change Denial”. First, they disabled commenting on the article and, after a few people complained, they changed their minds and opened the article to a flood of complaints and negative reactions. Check it out.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/climate-psychology/
John Coleman is absolutely right. It will be a long and very bitter battle.
But he doesn’t even mention the ‘seventh leg’, the big financial operators like Goldman Sachs who made a killing out of the sub-prime housing scam, the ‘bailout’ scam and are 100% up for the cap and trade scam – by far the biggest and most lucrative of them all.
Too big to fail.
But eventually the truth will out.
At that time, the people need to hold these wicked clowns to account.
Looks like the MSM is exploding with the climategate story.. finally. Advice to AGW scientists: if you were involved jump while you can! Advice to skeptics and deniers etc:: do not hound these scientist and do not insult them etc…they probably had a “good” ulterior motive (the Earth and its future which is very laudable) apart from the financial gain. Take the J Chirsty attitude… serene LOL
Well said, Mr Coleman. What we need, perhaps, is An Army of Davids.
Republicans Plan to Form Counter-Delegation at Climate Conference
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/09/republicans-plan-form-counter-delegation-climate-conference/
It’s not nice too fool with Mother Nature. I hope one of the major talking points of the Republican delegation to Copenhagen is thee Deep Solar Minimum we are in and the brutally cold last two winters we have.
Al Gore Destroyed By Mother Nature on CNN 12-09-09
I would pefer to think of us “deniers” as:
“Batman, not Superman. He didn’t just show up with powers, he had to train his brain and his body and his skills. He gets dirty along the way. His character might be a little less sunny but it’s bulletproof.”
Thanks to T.C
It’s more like we are the Lilliputians that have to try to handle a potentially dangerous Gulliver.
Nicely done. You might want to look into The Club Of Rome as instigator of many of those “other legs”. They were behind the “Running Out Oh NO!” computer “projection” games of the 1970’s green movement (“Limits to Growth: by Meadows et.al.) and are reputed to be behind the AGW “movement” as well. Never mind that we can’t have AGW if we’ve run out… logical consistency is not their “thing”. They just look for a scare angle to exploit. But have very influential membership.
BTW, being “leaderless” can be an advantage. It lets you run an “underground” resistance, for example. No one appointed me. No one gave me orders. I get no funding. So none of those things can be threatened.
I’ve had someone badger me about stuff not being “peer reviewed” (and thus subject to the organized power grab structure). My response that I had something better than that, I was public reviewed; ended the event. Folks who are command and control oriented do not know how to handle those who are “coopetition” driven in a self organizing “mob”. A “market place of ideas”.
And finally, we have the blessing of the frigid weather. God must be a comedian to taunt Al Gore this way. I heard, back to back on the radio, Al Gore giving a rant about the UEA leak being unimportant because all you had to do was open your window and look at the hottest decade ever; followed immediately by a new flash of massive blizzards in the midwest and freeze warnings in California… Nearly busted a gusset 😎
I’ve done an ‘informal poll’ by making snide remarks like: “any more global warming like this and I’m going to freeze to death!” to random folks during the week. 100% have been clearly against the AGW thesis (with me giving no clue of my beliefs beyond the one snide / joke phishing line…) and when prompted with a follow on more anti-AGW line, they have all added an assessment of AGW as various levels of hokum or bunk. Several have commented “it is just a power grab” or just a “money grab”.
The AGW thesis was in trouble already, but Cimategate coupled with some killer cold weather has made for a very cynical and to some extent restive and bitter voter base. The more this is “rammed through” the more damage the AGW folks are doing to their long term position. All it needs now is a bit of a “push” from us…
We are not weak. We have Joe Bastardi on our side.
http://www.kerrytherealmccoy.com/garrettandjoe2.JPG
We have also time on our side, just to endure, resist and truth will come out. In USA, it is already coming (check average temperatures for last two years).
8) The energy companies realizing a full decade ago “Hey, we need to diversify out of oil – if only for the public perception thing.” Extend this to GE finding a major market for turbines-in-triplicate. (With a natural gas turbine, a 1kW turbines gets you mighty close to 1kW continuous. With wind, good siting gets you to 1kW gets you .3kW. ) GE owns NBC….
MSM in NZ is starting to give time to the skeptics. TV3 news tonight had a piece on Climategate and referred to the emails as leaked rather than stolen.
I have no doubt the AGW movement will eventually collapse. Real science always wins in the end, even if it takes a few decades. But I am a bit concerned about a few things.
Firstly, the AGW true believers may resort to violence when it becomes clear they are not going to get their way. A fanatic who knows he is losing is very dangerous.
Secondly, the third world, or do we call them developing countries these days, have been expecting billions in compensation for the damage caused by the emissions of “rich” countries. Not just the governments but the ordinary people believe they are owed. There is going to be a lot of resentment as a byproduct of this mess.
Lastly, scientists will not be trusted as much in the future. This whole mess only got off the ground because people trust science. If it had only been Al Gore, politicians and the media singing the global warming song, people would have been more skeptical. On balance this is probably a good thing.
An army of Davids, or maybe just a ‘pebble’ in the right place.
Sadly, I’ve spoken with people recently who have no idea who David and Goliath were, therefore making a comparison is almost a waste of time. Is it really that difficult for our society to teach a few biblically sourced stories?
Anyway, this is a really succinct article, I’m passing it around tomorrow. Meanwhile, the Wired article Mapou linked to has 44 comments, only 2 are supportive of the AGW party line. Very interesting.
I have hope that the wheels are falling off of this thing even as we watch. It’s truly exciting, and fascinating, and all that.
“Superman fought for “truth, justice and the American way.” So is David. But he is no Superman. The battle goes on.”
Mr Coleman, ‘global’ and ‘American’ are not interchangeable. This is a global issue that goes way beyond the values and aspirations of any one nation, and one that completely transcends the petty partisanship of US domestic politics.
I will happily add my voice and effort to any movement that aspires to seek out the truth about climate change – whatever that truth might be. But if you’re looking for a global army to fight for the ‘American way’, count me out.
VG (00:14:58) :
Looks like the MSM is exploding with the climategate story
This is a CYA move. The AGW ship. the SS Calamity is sinking.
As we’ve seen from the ClimateGate leak, alarmists at the CRU did not validate (verify) their model for paleoclimate study of past temperatures. We can have no confidence that they have made any efforts to validate their other models, at least until they have performed a full disclosure proving so.
This is a point that will resonate with all the engineers in the world: if we -the engineers – release a product (a house, a bridge, an airplane or whatever) that fails and it was based on non-validated models we will do prison time or recieve a similar harsh punishment. When the leading institution behind the IPCC use unvalidated models to assess the climate, that is to an engineer as releasing an airplane that is not tested. All engineers will understand this point no matter what they understand about climate science.
Top story on Huffington Posts Green Tab has this as the first comment about The Copenhagen Summit. Is somebody handing out brains over there?
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” An Incredibly Expensive F o l l y ”
“Why Failure in Copenhagen Would Be a Success”
CO2 Emissions Cuts Will Cost More than Climate Change Itself
Based on conventional estimates, this ambitious program would avert much of the damage of global warming, expected to be worth somewhere around €2 trillion a year by 2100. However, Tol concludes that a tax at this level could reduce world GDP by a staggering 12.9% in 2100 — the equivalent of €27 trillion a year.
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It is, in fact, an optimistic cost estimate. It assumes that politicians everywhere in the world would, at all times, make the most effective, efficient choices possible to reduce carbon emissions, wasting no money whatsoever. Dump that far-fetched assumption, and the cost could easily be 10 or 100 times higher.
To put this in the starkest of terms: Drastic carbon cuts would hurt much more than climate change itself. Cutting carbon is extremely expensive, especially in the short-term, because the alternatives to fossil fuels are few and costly. Without feasible alternatives to carbon use, we will just hurt growth.
Secondly, we can also see that the approach is politically flawed, because of the simple fact that different countries have very different goals and all nations will find it hard to cut emissions at great cost domestically, to help the rest of the world a little in a hundred years.”
Me;
Yes Virgina there is a Santa Clause.
E.M.Smith (00:49:25) :
+1000
“Goliath is a rich and very powerful monster. He thrives on carbon dioxide.”
Phrases like these are just as idiotic as Hansens “trains of death”.
No, peeke, “trains of death” is specifically designed to make people think of the Holocaust, Nazism, and among worst chapters in human history.
The phrase calling the AGW monster a carbon consumer is a humorous catchphrase.
I am truly in awe of your humor impairment.
Given the incredible disparity in financial resources, the almost complete domination by the alarmists of every means of opinion formation in society[news, entertainment, education,etc.], the ability of the rational viewpoint to turn the tide of public opinion in the face of a two decade long massive propaganda campaign from the climate alarmists has to rank as a miracle. Were I a more devout believer, I might be moved to suggest that it indicates that God is on our side. Or perhaps the spirits of our Founding Fathers, observing from their graves, the intent of our present flock of collectivist politicians to destroy the magnificent gift they gave to humanity at a terrible personal cost, were moved to place their indomitable wills behind the effort to derail this runaway train. I realize that such spiritual arguments are unlikely to draw a friendly reception here, but, though “the truth will out” is a very powerful notion, the success that has been achieved does seem to defy rational explanation.
Goliath may be a wealthy smooth talker but he doesn’t seem to have the powers of observation nor statistical skills. David, on the other hand is a bright boy who is quickly marching down the road to battle with the stiff winds of the earth’s climate at his back that seem to ignore Mannian curves.
“seventh legged” – “cosa nostra”
http://www.europol.europa.eu/index.asp?page=news&news=pr091209.htm
“Carbon Credit fraud causes more than 5 billion euros damage for European Taxpayer”
“The European Union (EU) Emission Trading System (ETS) has been the victim of fraudulent traders in the past 18 months. This resulted in losses of approximately 5 billion euros for several national tax revenues. It is estimated that in some countries, up to 90% of the whole market volume was caused by fraudulent activities.
Indications of suspicious trading activities were noted in late 2008, when several market platforms saw an unprecedented increase in the trade volume of European Unit Allowances (EUAs). Market volume peaked in May 2009, with several hundred million EUAs traded in e.g. in France and Denmark. At that time the market price of 1 EUA, which equals 1 ton of carbon dioxide, was around EUR 12,5. “
Somewhat off-topic, but related: remember the Google discussion about “climate-gate” not showing up in the search recommendations? Here in Switzerland, climate-gate is number one on Bing, number two on Yahoo, and still nowhere to be found in Google.
Every day still sees new reports and new articles about melting glaciers, dying polar bears, and the scientific consensus. As far as I have seen, the MSM here has yet to even mention the existence of another viewpoint.
In the Penn State release on their investigation into Michael Mann, they say:
“In November 2005, Representative Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) requested that the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) convene a panel of independent experts to investigate Professor Mann’s seminal 1999 reconstruction of the global surface temperature over the past 1,000 years. The resulting 2006 report of the NAS panel (http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11676) concluded that Mann’s results were sound and has been subsequently supported by an array of evidence that includes additional large-scale surface temperature reconstructions.
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But this is what the report they quote actually says:
Based on the analyses presented in the original papers by Mann et al. and this newer supporting evidence, the committee finds it plausible that the Northern Hemisphere was warmer during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period over the preceding millennium. The substantial uncertainties currently present in the quantitative assessment of large-scale surface temperature changes prior to about A.D. 1600 lower our confidence in this conclusion compared to the high level of confidence we place in the Little Ice Age cooling and 20th century warming. Even less confidence can be placed in the original conclusions by Mann et al. (1999) that “the 1990s are likely the warmest decade, and 1998 the warmest year, in at least a millennium” because the uncertainties inherent in temperature reconstructions for individual years and decades are larger than those for longer time periods, and because not all of the available proxies record temperature information on such short timescales.”
Which is NOT vindication of Michael Mann – in fact quite the opposite. Here in Britain, we call this New Labour spin: state the precise opposite of the facts. and hope no-one notices!
what about the arktic sea ice extend?
it went down at the beginning of the copenhagen meeting.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
To me the AGW crowd use the 4 degrees centigrade until disaster like the book of Revelations uses the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse. The devil is not 666 but Q8 (Kuwait) or big oil. The BBC ran the the 4 degrees from disaster in a programme last night. No wonder the public is concerned.
People are moving and standing up we just need to keep getting the word out there. One way is to start writing in blogs and forums unrelated to climate science, get people in.
Here In Australia we have been bombarding our politicians so they know in no uncertain terms that anyone who supports the lie of global warming will not be re-elected. Whilst the media tries to spin that most of the population do support it the reality is most do not.
The Kraken’s up Johnno and the almighty Kraken has more than enough legs for Goliath. Stuff David and lone rangers we have fighters. A mixed motley crew every color and every fooken gender.
Aargh.
They want to destroy growth…
http://www.infowars.com/enviroment-eugenics-quotes/
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
Unfortunately “truth” is a very weak support for now. It will take many years until all the predictions of the IPCC have failed. Don´t underestimate the public brainwash. People who learned for so many years all the Al Gore style fairy tales will continue to believe in global warming even if an iceberg grows in front of their doors.
“Michael (00:31:04) :
It’s not nice too fool with Mother Nature. I hope one of the major talking points of the Republican delegation to Copenhagen is thee Deep Solar Minimum we are in and the brutally cold last two winters we have.
Al Gore Destroyed By Mother Nature on CNN 12-09-09”
Local cold weather events are not climate (Apparently).
Here is more from Goliath:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6951029.ece
“Top scientists rally to the defence of the Met Office ”
Excerpt “One scientist said that he felt under pressure to sign the circular or risk losing work. The Met Office admitted that many of the signatories did not work on climate change. ”
They claim they have 1700 UK scientists who have agreed to sign a statement defending the “professional integrity” of global warming research.
You must read this to understand the way they work.
Too add to what Micheal (1:15:38) said,the public have been dishonestly led to believe that a transition to a low carbon economy would be relativly painless.
If the AGW lobby were pressed on the real cost to the individual and society of their proposed solutions maybe the public would demand a lot more scrutiny of the science on which this massive gamble with peoples lives is based.
We are just soooo lucky these clever scientists re-discovered this 100 year old global warming theory in time to save the planet by massive investment in Al Gore’s cunning schemes. If they had re-discovered Arrhenius theories just a few years too late then it would be impossible to do anything right now and we would all be on our way to oblivion. Isn’t it wonderful the synchronicity of the whole thing? It’s like we discover we need to save the planet just in time to save the planet. I mean that’s like “wow!”
Shame these scientist weren’t quite so prescient with Thalidomide.
One way to start winning the battle is to create a single well-publicized authoritative website that acts as a to provide rebuttals for the latest scare story from the AGW crowd. It needs to provide solid information designed for an intelligent layman with links to peer-reviewed papers and data sites (on topics such as:-
1. Is the Arctic really warming beyond natural variability?
2. What about the Antarctic? Is there evidence of warming there?
2. Is there really a danger of the oceans becoming acidified?
3. Are the glaciers really disappearing? How many glaciers are there, how many are melting?: Give me the complete picture on this!
4. The truth on sea levels? Are the Maldives really sinking?
5. What about the Cartaret Islands. Monbiot tells me they’re sinking as well.
5. AGW doesn’t work without positive feedback so what’s the evidence on that?
6. What’s all this about species extinction due to global warming?
7. How many thermometers are used to build a global temperature estimate?
8. Full coverage of the global temperature data sets.
9. We’re told sketics are funded by big oil? What are the facts about funding for skeptics (touch of humour here!) and AGW?
10. etc., etc.,
WUWT readers will mostly be able to arrive at informed opinions on these subjects but the ordinary intelligent Joe in the street has no idea where to turn to make a decision.
In spite of CRUgate, make no mistake, the AGW people winning the battle and only a focused strategy will prevent an aconomic catastrophe.
OT, all is not good in Copenhagen:
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/developing-nations-clash-over-climate-targets-20091210-km8t.html
I wonder, if Climategate had not come to pass, along with the Danish leaks, would “delegates” (Liberal use of the word “gate”) be more agreeable?
Appears the gate was left cOPENhagen and the horse has now leaked through.
Someone needs to tell Goliath that new carbon taxes won’t be helping the economy much. Or perhaps we should just let Goliath fall?
Growing up in the Chicago area, I have fond memories of Flynn, Daley, Frink, and Coleman @ WLS. John was (is) the best.
“do not hound these scientist and do not insult them etc…they probably had a “good” ulterior motive (the Earth and its future which is very laudable)”
You know, I think that is the whole problem. Too many people in climatology who, at their heart, want to save us all. They want to do good things. If you are in climatology then the only way to do something really good is to save us from something really bad happening in the climate – either preparing us for the next ice-age as they did during the seventies, or dissuading us from cooking ourselves in CO2 as they are doing now.
It’s not a conspiracy – its just a large group of individuals with the same “I must stand up and use my advanced intellect to save earth!” mentality. They are looking for trouble and then looking to resolve that trouble. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Of course we now have another group of scientists building up that want to save us from the potential damage caused by the AGW Evangelists.
alleagra:
“One way to start winning the battle is to create a single well-publicized authoritative website that acts as a to provide rebuttals for the latest scare story from the AGW crowd.”
You’re reading it. And for the more technically inclined, there’s ClimateAudit.
Paranoia perhaps.
The institution of science acts so that groups of experts study a discipline, review each-others work, and generally provide disinterested advice to government and industry.
Obviously it can be a point of pride to such free thinkers to discover the most impelling need for general change, and to fearlessly promote the necessary changes.
Then the situation could arise where a group of politically, rather than scientifically, motivated experts take over a branch of science, sideline those with neutral or opposite motivations, and proceed to promote their own political direction rather then provide neutral advice.
If climate science has reached this latter point, then all is not lost. Simple rules — such as ensuring that all data supporting positions on which tax money is spent is available for analysis to all, and that government money should only be spent on predictions by models that are audited and verifiable rather than merely the opinion of an esteemed scientist, — would ensure that pointless courses of action more expensive than major wars are not embarked upon.
German’s public TV had another horror debate last night. You can’t believe it.
A former kind of investigative format had nothing better to do than to have a former and the curent environmental minister sitting there, an actor who is deeply concerned about polar bears with heart-touching pictures how one of them swims out into the open sea, never returned … well, not not for the 45 minutes they kept watching.
Did you think that anybody was only mentioning that there are real problems next door, as children dying that very moment caused by hunger, Aids etc.?
Not at all. A ghost debate of a bunch of bored wealthy people.
Means beside science, MSM are completely losing ground when normal people get it how they have been grossly misinformed.
I am confident that some hobby environmentalists will be turned off once they have to pay the bills and find out who gets their hard-earned money.
So beside unhiding the data, extremely important, let’s have a spot on the money distribution system behind.
Great stuff here … thank y’all.
Somewhat OT: Never thought I’d agree with Nick Griffin, the British extreme right-wing BNP leader, but fair does, he’s stuck it to Copenhagen – see video at:
http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=15235
Good post to point out that this is nothing to do with science and very little to do with politics. This is a plain and simple grab for power.
How does it effect me and my family? IF it gets warmer as predicted we will survive the winters and not need coal, gas or electricity. The new powers imposed on my government mandates such swinging cost increases on these utilities that we will not be able to afford to use them. We will be reduced to a wood stove for heat and cooking.
IF it gets cold we face almost certain death.
You all know where this scenario will lead. Our polititions should pay heed.
Al Gore – “Climate Change” (aka Global Warming) is real. you just have to open your window. He does and a blizzard blows in – how ironic.
“goretith”
there is a seventh leg and is a very powerful one. international socialism, with the excuse of environment can:
– impose an unelected global government
– take control of energy resources
– impose socialist, high and highly progressive taxes based of “carbon”
– redistribute wealth taking money from those who produce much “carbon” and give it to those who produce less.
the reason why the MSM is riding the AGW wave is not just because it nicely fills the front pages, it is because MSM is an arm of international socialism. same goes for the UN, which is of course after a massive power grab, but socialism is an important component of the imperialist policy of the UN.
also, a large part of “intellectuals” and scientists are socialists themselves, as result of decades of socialist indoctrination and infiltration in the education and scientific infrastructure.
Perhaps one thing in favour of “David” these days is that people are generally less interested in “authorities”. It took maybe 30 years for the greenies to get into positions of authority, but in the meantime the world has moved on and people are more interested in flexibility, adaption, reorganisation, and change. The new generation grows up having experienced large changes all their lives. You can dream up an innovative TV show but a season later people are already bored with it.
Change is the new reality. Remember nuclear war? Remember feeding Africa? Remember Flu pandemics? Remember terrorism? Remember global warming? (heck, even that changed its name.)
Dare I say that change is the enemy of climate change.
Greenies have tried to get round this by claiming that science is a slow steady progression and accumulation of knowledge. It seems tipping points and chaos are OK in Nature but not in academic journals! Our models are getting better all the time!
The silent smelly shadow of “optimum population”, “limits to growth”, and “conservation”, is this notion that “sustainability” means “status quo”.
Well the staus quo is that the West has the wealth and the Third World is underdeveloped, tribal, famished. Funny how greenies are not campaigning for the people of small islands to be given citizenship in USA, UK, Germany, and France. Their boat is sinking? Quick, get those people out of there! Err… no, no, it is no the boat that is sinking, it is the ocean that is rising… we must think carefully how to stop the ocean rising, for that is obviously their best strategy.
Looking at the UN publications about climate change, they have glossy photos of radiant peasants, smiling as they do their work in the lush green fields of mud. This is supposed to be the ideal of sustainability? Being a smiling peasant? A noble savage?
Perhaps this idea too will change when people get bored with it. I’ll wager the peasants themselves are already bored with it.
FROM ‘TIMES’
More than 1,700 scientists have agreed to sign a statement defending the “professional integrity” of global warming research.
ONE SCIENTIST SAID THAT HE FELT UNDER PRESSURE TO SIGN THE CIRCULAR OR RISK LOSING WORK.
THE MET OFFICE ADMITTED THAT MANY OF THE SIGNATORIES DID NOT WORK ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
They were responding to a round-robin request from the Met Office, which has spent four days collecting signatures. The initiative is a sign of how worried it is that e-mails stolen from the University of East Anglia are fuelling scepticism about man-made global warming at a critical moment in talks on carbon emissions.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6951029.ece
Science by consensus?
Very odd.
The people looked upon Goliath and said, “He is so big! How can David defeat him?” David looked upon Goliath and said, “He is so big! How can I miss?”
With all those legs, maybe a bolo…
Best,
Frank
May I suggest that this blog use a share button that readers can use to share articles with sites like Digg, Reddit, Slashdot and others? Anti AGW commenters and submitters almost always get voted out at those sites. We need to stop that.
alamo (01:40:44) :
“Carbon Credit fraud causes more than 5 billion euros damage for European Taxpayer”
For those who live in Europe. How does it feel to watch your hard earned spendable income dwindle as you learn your wealth is being drained out of your country?
What a shell game.
Well said, Mr. Coleman.
It is a travesty what has happened to your network brainchild. The Weather Channel is a joke these days. No meteorologist ever resorts to watching it anymore. Not after the age of about 15. It must torment you horribly to see the politicization and market forces sheering apart a great idea and turning it into a corporate behemoth and a mockery of science. Now they’re playing movies every week and other weather-related stories every night…you can’t even get the local radar when the network promises it!
Who was it at the TWC offices who remarked that any scientist who did not agree with AGW should have their degree stripped? That pretty much put the final nail in the coffin for me as far as ever turning to that channel again.
Interesting to see what happens to the FOI request just announced by the Bishop’s Hill blog, for transparency on UK NERC academic climate research applications and funding policy. On that council apparently sit some familiar names. The concerns re suspected skewness toward agenda supporting v blue sky money are aired on a linked blog.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/12/10/nerc-and-climate-change.html
Let’s see…
China is out.
India is out.
US is out because Obama can only deliver another talk. Nothing of any substance due to DOA status of Cap and Trade. Also, any treaty must be approved by Senate. Not going to happen.
Average person has no time to think about AGW. When they do have time, it sure is cold and money is short. If something comes up for vote, the big question will be “Will this cost me money?”. The answer is always yes. It will be pointed out cap and trade will double your utility bill and raise gasoline to about $5 per gallon.
Voting for any sort of carbon constraining taxes will be the new third rail of politics.
Expect a lot of talk and scary stories. This issue will continue to fade away and become a trivia show answer.
Copenhagen was the last hurrah. The person who leaked the CRU data timed this perfectly.
2008, right here in Denver Colorado was the high water mark of AGW, when Obama made his promises regarding sea levels.
Its over.
Progress is being made. I visit Democraticunderground daily, just to see what the loonies are up to. Initially, the official “line” was that “climategate” is too inconsequential to merit discussion, and “message discipline” was rigorously imposed. During the last few days, however, several Doubting Thomases have stepped forth, and refuse to be hooted down. Some of them are technically “loaded for bear,” and have skillfully dissected AGW articles of faith. Yesterday, one of them even posted the J. Storrs ice core graphs recently featured here. They are a minority, of course, but the remarkable thing is that they are even being heard to speak.
OT: I put a comment about 3 weeks ago talking about the endless 10 year deadlines to reduce Co2. Here is another report from the BBC’s Richard Black: “Keeping global temperature rise under 2C (3.7F) will be almost impossible unless carbon emissions begin to fall within a decade, analysis suggests. ”
Then there is this from a woman who cannot predict the weather for next week let alone get it right last summer:
“If you go to 2025 before peaking, it’s virtually impossible to stay under 2C,” said Vicky Pope, head of climate science at the Met Office.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/8405025.stm
Here are some more “Free beer tomorrow” 🙁
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3826/Not-again-Another-10year-climate-tipping-point-warning-issued–Despite-fact-that-UN-began-10Year-Climate-Tipping-Point-in-1989
According to Stocker in the China Daily [1]:
“Extreme weather have become more frequent, he said. Heat waves, for example, now occur once every four years, whereas they occurred once in 1,000 years according to data from centuries back, he said.”
I’m just trying to parse that sentence. First heat waves only happened every 1000 years, but we managed to have a word in English ready for the phenomena. Then there is the problem with getting a 1000 year period from less than 1000 years of ‘centuries back’ level data. Then the ‘extreme weather’ being more frequent – I guess the crop failures in the little ice age (hey, and big one) were from ‘normal’ cold weather (which then by definition isn’t extreme?).
Who swallows this stuff?
It reminds me of an article I read in the China Daily way back in the 80’s. It was surveying how strongly people believed what they read in their paper (it was fairly extreme propaganda back then). They found that the highest rate of belief were with both ‘high ranking cadres’ and ‘illiterate peasants’. I think we are seeing the same kind of thing with Global Warming, the Al Gores and the people uncomfortable with arithmetic.
[1] http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-12/10/content_9151145.htm
In the Times today
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6951029.ece
Why does the Met Office need to strongarm support in this way?
Many of the signatories are not climatologists and are therefore no more an expert that I am.
Many have signed for fear of losing their jobs/funding
“Gonna make you an offer you can’t refuse”?
peeke
you obviously miss the point. Without CO2 the AGW Monster wouldn’t exist! Then again, nor would much else that matters to us.
To John Coleman,
it has been said before above me, but your statement is so succinct. Beautifully succinct (except for some folks who are just ‘peekeing’ in). Many thanks for that.
E.M Smith
I still have a copy of, “The Limits To Growth.” that I bought when I was 18 years old and belonged to the fore-runner of the current Green Party in New Zealand 34 yeras ago. By the time I finished reading that book I had serious doubts about its’ whole pretext.
As I matured and learnt a few good political leassons along the way, I gave up that idealistic foolishness, and got back to reality. I’m going to hang onto that book so that I can hold it up to the young, impressionable people around today that, like me at that age, are easily influenced by smart talking shamans promising you salvation from your dire situatuation, which in reality is far less than our forebears overcame to get us to this position.
There is verymuch about our P.C. oriented world that would astound our forebears today. Much is made by the AGW Alarmists about what sort of world we will leave the coming generations if we don’t act immediately to stop this terrible poison called CO2. Many of us here refer to cycles, all natural, that affect the climate. There is another natural cycle that will come into effect in the coming decade. The natural cycle of teen rebellion. If you think it is bad now, and all adults do at all times, just think how bad it is going to be when the children of the world (developed and otherwise) find out that they have been lied to, big time!
The shear arrogance of Jones, Mann et al knows no bonds.
hydrodynamisk etc (pardon the truncation it is getting closer to 1.00 a.m. local time) you are so right. Climatology is becoming, or even has become, a metaphor for a lack of discipline. Unfortunately they are not alone. Many of what I term the “latter day sciences,” i.e. those that started less than 200 years ago often show signs of expediency not tolerated in the older branches of science. Especially not in the oldest branch of all, which in fact is the Main Trunk of science, Astronomy, the mother of all sciences.
Metoerology, geography and climatology are but grandchildren who have fallen far from the influence of true science their grandmother represents. I generalize here, knowing that not all, or even most of the current scientists involved in these disciplines are so corrupt, but it is their outspoken colleagues who drag them down to that level of perception to the public. In the end the silent majority of scientists needs to stand up and distance themselves from the bad science being perpetrated in their name. Otherwise all science will suffer because of their apathy.
I don’t want to state the obvious, but the money will go elsewhere. Those who have the money don’t like to be associated with losers, cheats or fakers. it is not a good look.
John in NZ (00:54:12) : Secondly, the third world, or do we call them developing countries these days, have been expecting billions in compensation for the damage caused by the emissions of “rich” countries. Not just the governments but the ordinary people believe they are owed. There is going to be a lot of resentment as a byproduct of this mess.
Exactly, a brand new angry “victim class”, superstitious to begin with and difficult to educate, pulling such stunts as the underwater cabinet meeting in the Maldives. All of Africa believing they will perish due to the developed world and that holding temps to 2 degrees rise is not enough.
That is the scariest part of this fiasco that is eventually going to make the developed world very sorry they started this. Another 40 bn for Nigeria to steal? Every possible disease, drought, flood, adverse weather event will be blamed on the west forever. I can imagine that temp readings coming from the third world will be skewed upwards from the start from now on.
Nothing we can possibly do for them from now on will ever be enough.
Stefan (03:22:58) :
It took maybe 30 years for the greenies to get into positions of authority, but in the meantime the world has moved on and people are more interested in flexibility, adaption, reorganisation, and change.
A very good point. They are stuck in the 60s and 70s, but don’t
underestimate their resolve. Look at what it took to bring this to
light and where we might have been. They’re still pushing, against
all odds.
Time to stop using Google me thinks, let’s have a boycott, spread the word
Despite the bombast from politicos and climate scienticians the data speaks for itself and will prove the AGW crowd wrong, because (to adopt an old environmental movement bumper sticker slogan) “Nature bats last.”
Thousands of endangered Truckers descended upon Sacramento today, to protest the 30 day notice to upgrade your truck or have it seized. Inside, the officials declared they have no choice but to comply with the EPA, which is forcing them to do it. The Truckers argued that there would be 5,000 jobs lost plus many more thousands of small business owner forced to close.
The officials were deaf to reason.
A cop out to be sure, but the EPA has been whispered by the White House to be the bad cop out there, ready to do very bad things to America if Cap & Trade is not passed. This would be one of them.
The EPA really has declared War.
I just found this presentation from CERN, Geneva.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/175641-climategate-revolt-of-the-physicists
“Climate science seemed settled in the 1990s. The only theory around was that the increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases was causing the increase in world temperatures. But then physicists got involved. My guess is that the average physicist has an IQ of somewhere between 150 and 200. The progress that they have been making is incredible.
…
When Kirkby gets to the screen showing Galactic Modulation of Climate over the last 500 million years and the cosmic ray variation that explains it, take a close look at the line that plots CO2 over the same period. Note that that line doesn’t correspond at all to the temperature periodicity evident in the temperature data. Also listen when Kirkby points out that CO2 concentrations used to be 10 times higher than they are today.”
In their own minds, these people in climatology, government, and MSM aren’t Goliaths but good shepherds, leading the rest of us out of the dark. Hence they can perpetrated fraud and deception with a perfectly clear conscience.
See “Climategate: The good shepherds”:
Lord Christopher Monckton has joined a political party:
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1363-monckton-joins-ukip
An author identify the socialism theme in the Pyongyan… Danish party, and visit the alternative climate conference.
Info:
“PJTV and CBN, doing the job the multi billion dollar news goliath utterly fails to do. Here, Bruce Bawer, author of the excellent and important book, ‘Surrender’ is reporting for PJTV on the absurd climate conference in Denmark which should much better be called ‘Commiefest’.”
Real theories can be replicated over and over again and when the predictions are confirmed then it gains credibility. Einstein did not need to ask 1700 scientists to sign a petition to prove his theories were correct. This shows a lack of confidence by the AGW people who are not scientists and do not understand how science works.
“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/soros-identifies-a-money-supply-for-climate-aid/
Now here’s a scary guy if there ever was one.
Dear Mods please look out for people boosting the BNP from UK. Socialists as in National Socialist. Maggie’s ‘oxygen of publicity’ definitely applies.
Dave Wendt (01:32:25) :
I realize that such spiritual arguments are unlikely to draw a friendly reception here, but, though “the truth will out” is a very powerful notion, the success that has been achieved does seem to defy rational explanation.
The connection between truth and spirituality is that truth and life are inextricably linked. The AGW/CC crowd, in supporting a huge lie and opposing C02, an essential component of life are, in fact opposing life itself. The AGW/CC monstrosity is the greatest evil mankind has faced since nazism.
But, in order for truth to win, it has to be heard. This is why, in totalitarian countries the first thing they need to control is the media. The MSM, for whatever reason not only failed miserably in their job of getting the truth out, they instead acted as the mouthpiece for the biggest Lie in history. Fortunately, there was the internet, which ultimately will be, and indeed is in the process of being the downfall of that Lie. This site, along with others is responsible for upholding and disseminating the Truth, and for the ultimate demise of the AGW/CC monstrosity.
Frank Koter “David looked upon Goliath and said, “He is so big! How can I miss?”
I think that is a very good observation.
The reaction of the Met Office here in the UK is quite bizarre – to start a chain letter amongst themselves to show how much integrity they have is frankly barking. They’re still in denial.
I can ‘understand’ how the CRU et al played their hand to their advantage – but the Met Office? It’s come as a shock to me.
Thank Christ Al Gore invented in the internet or we’d still be wondering if it was just us that was puzzled by the gap between reality and the propaganda.
[ Smokey (02:55:05) :
alleagra:
“One way to start winning the battle is to create a single well-publicized authoritative website that acts as a to provide rebuttals for the latest scare story from the AGW crowd.”
You’re reading it. And for the more technically inclined, there’s ClimateAudit. ]
Don’t mean to be offensive but I think that’s complacent. WUWT is fantastic but it doesn’t hit the spot for non-climate buffs. The site required would have to be organised to provide readily accessible rebuttals.
The guy in the street (we could all benefit) needs headings like glaciers, sea levels, ocean acidification, physics of CO2, positive climate feedback, climate models, polar melting, alleged effects on fauna and flora and disease patterns, temperature records, the works on the MWP, need for proof of positive feedback from initial CO2 heating effect, and so on. That is not what WUWT is about.
For example suppose Joe sees the interview with John Christy and Gavin Schmidt on CNN.
“Christy doesn’t seem to have a good answer to the ‘isn’t the arctic melting and aren’t glaciers disappearing?’ question. Hmm, looks like there is a problem there. So, what are the facts about polar melting and glaciers across the world? I look on WUWT. Type ‘glaciers’ in the search box and get interesting stuff but am none the wiser overall. Not much I can take back to my AGW friend I’m trying to convince. I could research it futher but heck let’s leave it, I must get on . ..maybe Schmidt and the other AGW people are right after all.”
Latest shot from the AGW in the UK press is
“Copenhagen climate summit: ocean acidification an ‘underwater time-bomb’”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6777099/Copenhagen-climate-summit-ocean-acidification-an-underwater-time-bomb.html
So where do I get the other side of the story on that in five minutes?
Big project? Probably but if the AGW people win then we’ll all pay big time and not just economically. Most of us understand what’s at stake here.
So which 21st century Jew has the chutzpah to ‘throw a shoe’, Iraqi style, at the big untamed beast, eh?
PS ( Smokey (02:55:05) 🙂
Another headline says
‘More than 1,700 scientists have agreed to sign a statement defending the “professional integrity” of global warming research. They were responding to a round-robin request from the Met Office, which has spent four days collecting signatures.’
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6951029.ece
Only big guns will resist this sort of thing which deeply impresses Mr & Mrs Joe PUblic.
TimesOnline:
Copenhagen sceptics have a slogan: ‘The world isn’t getting warmer, it’s going mad’
@CodeTech
“The phrase calling the AGW monster a carbon consumer is a humorous catchphrase.
I am truly in awe of your humor impairment.”
It wasn’t very funny. Did not me go “hahaha”.
I am a scpetic, but I won’t need rallying speeches, or someone trying to make fun of the other. I actually only want temperature graphs. That will be enough. Same goes for “climategate”. This goes on and on and on. I’d say: extract the stuff needed for proper temperature reconstructions, present a case and leave it that that.
Roy Spencer suggested to make a model with a 0.5 K climate sensitivity, have it run predictions and see if the actual data falsifies that. That, rather then “funny” articles is what is needed.
I do not care if the so called scientists at East Anglia are hounded- it is obvious from the contents of the e-mails that they hounded others and deserve everything they get. As a believer in the scientific method, they are clearly a disgrace and I am quite happy to publicly say so.
As far as David and Goliath go, here is the wonderful David Bellamy. A true scientist and environmentalist. Wonderful stuff. His integrity shines through the ignorant comments from the idiot TV interviewers:
The BBC are beyond disgust for banning him.
alleagra (02:37:50) :
One way to start winning the battle is to create a single well-publicized authoritative website that acts as a to provide rebuttals for the latest scare story from the AGW crowd. It needs to provide solid information designed for an intelligent layman with links to peer-reviewed papers and data sites (on topics such as:-
1. Is the Arctic really warming beyond natural variability?
2. What about the Antarctic? Is there evidence of warming there?
2. Is there really a danger of the oceans becoming acidified?
3. Are the glaciers really disappearing? How many glaciers are there, how many are melting?: Give me the complete picture on this!
4. The truth on sea levels? Are the Maldives really sinking?
5. What about the Cartaret Islands. Monbiot tells me they’re sinking as well.
5. AGW doesn’t work without positive feedback so what’s the evidence on that?
6. What’s all this about species extinction due to global warming?
7. How many thermometers are used to build a global temperature estimate?
8. Full coverage of the global temperature data sets.
9. We’re told sketics are funded by big oil? What are the facts about funding for skeptics (touch of humour here!) and AGW?
10. etc., etc.,
WUWT readers will mostly be able to arrive at informed opinions on these subjects but the ordinary intelligent Joe in the street has no idea where to turn to make a decision.
In spite of CRUgate, make no mistake, the AGW people winning the battle and only a focused strategy will prevent an aconomic catastrophe.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN THERE.
AL GORE HAS A VC FUND YOU COULD APPROACH!!
No disrespect to Anthony and this wonderful site, but I have to agree with “alleagra”. There are so many sources of information now that it’s becoming very difficult to remember where I read a particular article. For instance: Every day I hear that we have just had the ten warmest years on record, but would like to be able to counter this statement.
We really need a central repository of basic facts with links to other, more detailed, information. I see that “Global Warming Myths.com” has been registered, and is for sale ($999). Someone has seen an opportunity!!
I have spent many hours reading all the articles on here, and the hundreds of replies most of them get, but the “average man or woman in the street” simply wouldn’t bother.
Anyone I can contact to do a radio interview with a South African radio station?
I wrote in to our national broadcaster (SABC) after they aired a brush-off of the UEA emails by someone from the IPCC, and asked them to cover both sides of the story (it was the first that I had heard about this on air here).
Anyway, I received an email from a producer of the (news) show, expressing interest in hearing the other side. Is there anyone who can be contacted by telephone for a radio interview who could speak with some authority on the UEA documents, and on the general skeptic position (or rebutting the process in Copenhagen)?
My email address is atkins@itrend.co.za and my phone number is +27 31 261 8000 (Durban, South Africa, GMT +2:00). If anyone qualified could volunteer, or put me in touch with someone who could do this, then I would be delighted to get the information to the producers of the show.
And then there is always this problem — We surround them.
Have you guys heard of common purpose? They train the leaders of corporations, governments etc to’lead beyond authority’. By recruiting members in influential positions they have in effect an inside man who is capable of driving the agenda of common purpose rather than the organisation the individual belongs to. It seems to me that these are the same tactics employed by the warmists.
You are fighting an invisible enemy who answers to no one.
John in NZ (00:54:12) :
“Lastly, scientists will not be trusted as much in the future.”
This is a good thing. We do not need to trust scientists. Scientists do not need our trust.
Real scientists publish all their data and methods for everyone to see, check and replicate. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we were less trusting to “scientists” like M. Mann and P. Jones.
Andrew.
I’ve put together a comprehensive collection of John Coleman videos. They are excellent as they are very informative. John is very clear in his explanations.
http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/12/10/as-goes-the-sun-so-goes-the-earth-the-sun-is-daddy
How anyone can study the leaked (or hacked) Hadley documents together with major media coverage of the CRU scandal and then conclude John Coleman’s assessment is fundamentally wrong is simply beyond me.
CH
“Geneva-based, highly funded bureaucracy controlled by one-world government political activists,”
Who are these people anyway? I find it hard to believe that say, Britain would want to have Uganda have say in its doings. I mean, sheesh, there are even some US states that I would like to see leave the Union… Given the break up of the Soviet Union and others, I hardly think that the trend is headed in that direction. Tin foil hats all around please
To hit Goliath where he is vulnerable:
1. Respond with science whenever the media allow this after a false or hysterical report.
2. Make it clear to any politician who might expect your support that you demand rejection of the carbon-dioxide scam.
3. Tell any academic institution that might expect your support that, first, the institution must send you its public disavowal of the carbon-dioxide scam.
4. Tell any supplier you can choose (bank, grocer, insurer, airline, etc.) that you view any promotion of the carbon-dioxide scam as evidence of corporate incompetence, and any attempt to coerce your behavior will push your business elsewhere.
E.M.Smith (00:49:25)
God must be a comedian to taunt Al Gore this way. I heard, back to back on the radio, Al Gore giving a rant about the UEA leak being unimportant because all you had to do was open your window and look at the hottest decade ever
Apart of an excelent economist you are a good humorist, that´s funny. For the fun to be total let us assume that natural cycles also affect (I do believe so) human endeavours; if this is so there was a change back in the past called the “Maunder Minumum” which correlated then with political changes, sponsored by the ancestors of these same peoples, that went from the many independence revolutions to the disappearance of monarchies all over the world, well, then: What if now it comes the next “turn of the screw” and this time the other way around, following the development of an evolving spiral, which would bring all things to a state similar, and not necessarily the same, as before?….
Like in the cinderella tale!…at the right time it would be back to be as it used to be…☺
Just food for thought. In 1910 the carbon foot print for each person in US the average farmer/farmhand could feed 5 people. In 1950 that had increased to around 10 people. Now in the early 2000s that has increased to nearly 250 and may have surpassed this number. Where modern methods are used the amount of agricultural land use has been reduced a great amount returning the land to the natural state. This all uses carbon. If the wishes of the great green machine comes true look for great loss of life due to famine. Look for more of the slash and burn type of agriculture as more land will be needed to produce crops due to the inability to properly maintain the fields such that they will produce to today’s levels.
When this happens there will be chaos. And then what happens if the world takes a drastic down turn in temperatures. The very infrastructure that could have produced the fuels that can maintain livable conditions will have been either abandoned or destroyed. The future of “climate change ” as seen today by the great leaders gathering in Copenhagen appears to be grim in the long term.
Just Google to see the growth of productivity in the time of the last half of the past century. Perhaps a larger carbon foot print isn’t so bad for the world, It sure has been a time of great abundance.
Bill Derryberry
From Jo Novas blogsite:
“Political Fallout
Dr. Maciej Nowicki , past president of COP14, who made the opening speech of the COP15 conference in Copenhagen has just resigned (i.e. just been sacked) as environment minister by the Polish Government, who now apparently believe that global warming is a hoax. Poland is heavily dependent on coal for its economy. ”
Dissent will not be tolerated.
“Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders. … The Goliath of totalitarianism will be brought down by the David of the microchip.” – Ronald Reagan, June 1989
Unfortunately the truth often takes decades to come out; DDT is but one example
I agree with everything he said except for this;
“Al Gore, who uses his status as a successful former Senator and Vice President…”
I question the use of the word successful.
As a fellow San Diegan, I thank my lucky stars for John Coleman – for his solid and brave resistance to the AGW hoax and for his accurate, entertaining and educational weathercasts here in San Diego.
Keep hurling those stones John, they are hitting their mark and Goliath is weakening.
“Goliath” serves no more useful purpose than does “denier”.
In the debate about climate change, there is a need more more dispassionate discussion and less hyperbole.
Mr. Coleman observes correctly that government-funded science is an oxymoron. In order to obtain a government grant, one must file a proposal, in which proposal one must specify the results one will obtain with the research. Then proposals are (apparently) evaluated based upon the desirability of the results, rather than upon the accuracy of the research. This is my personal impression on the government grant system.
Such research is not science. Since the 17th Century, science has been the growth of falsifiable hypotheses. Remember that Galileo attempted to falsify the geocentric theory of the Greeks. His attempt was not rejected on its merits; his Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems was rejected for heresy.
Unfortunately for Galileo a falsification directly perceptible to unaided human senses (now known as the Foucault Pendulum) had not yet been discovered.
The AGW hypothesis is not falsifiable. It has not been falsifiable from its beginnings. The original objections to AGW were 1) refusal to publish the computer code and 2) refusal to release the original source data. I have followed this story since 2003 and these two issues were present at the start. The release of the zipped files from the CRU is a side issue. The blunt fact is that the AGW hypothesis has not been independently replicated.
How, then, are discoveries made? Pasteur said that chance favors the prepared mind. Look to the history of science. Consider Dr. Semmelweis. Look to Michelson and Morley. Think about continental drift — that got a very warm reception! Consider Pasteur himself, and the spontaneous generation of life. New hypotheses are usually met with rejection, derision, and outright denial.
Semmelweis requested volunteers and record-keeping. His requests were denied, and he was driven out of medicine. The babies kept dying, until other doctors finally tried his proposal.
Pasteur published his methods and invited all comers to replicate them.
In each instance the relevant paradigm gave a good fight before it was finally altered. Personal attacks, invective, vituperative denunciation, you all know the story.
AGW will be shown false. Independent correlation of long-term records will remain a hotly-disputed issue for decades to come; temperature, rainfall, cloud cover, concentrations of methane et al in the atmosphere, concentrations of dust in the atmosphere, the correlation between solar flux and cosmic ray incidence on the atmosphere, and other contributory factors are difficult (if not impossible) to tease apart.
See one of my favorite gag books, Motel of the Mysteries, for details.
AGW IS NOT SCIENCE.
The ‘CO2 battle’ you outline touched Nanaimo yesterday afternoon with a protest banner over the Island Highway at Long Lake that reads (Or read);
Exposed. CLIMATEGATE. N.W.O.
David´s stone: A brilliant ball up above: The Sun. This is a an unfair battle: A bunch of fools spitting to the sky. They won´t succeed.
Re: Coleman’s point #5: click
I’m wondering how the ice extent could be dipping myself. The arctic temperature mean http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php has dropped so freeze up should be increasing. Any AMSR-I folks know what is going on?
“Chris (01:46:19) :
what about the arktic sea ice extend?
it went down at the beginning of the copenhagen meeting.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm:
AGW proves that ignorance is not a privilege anymore. Information does not mean knowledge necessarily. Knowledge is as material as any other thing so it can not be divided endlessly.
“What nature does not give no school can lend”
As I said on the previous thread:
Science by consensus?
Very odd.
Dave Wendt (01:32:25) : “Given the incredible disparity in financial resources, the almost complete domination by the alarmists of every means of opinion formation in society[news, entertainment, education,etc.], the ability of the rational viewpoint to turn the tide of public opinion in the face of a two decade long massive propaganda campaign from the climate alarmists has to rank as a miracle. Were I a more devout believer, I might be moved to suggest that it indicates that God is on our side.”
Sorry, don’t have time to read more comments. But Dave Wendt’s might just give all the truth-seekers, all the natural skeptics, great hope in human beings, even those young people recently educated by our schools. Regardless of our religion, if we develop more faith in our friends, relatives, children, and fellow citizens, we might make a greater effort to educate them. People do find joy in “thinking” — some of the time — and bearing the pain of being wrong or not knowing. Let us help them think more of the time. The recent “icing” of North America and soon-to-come in Europe, at the very least, might give us our greatest opportunity.
Just read a great book (to a novice) by John Wilson & Ron Clowes, “Ghost Mountains and Vanished Oceans: North America From Birth to Middle Age”. If “global citizens” had more of this kind of an overview they might not be so transfixed by millenialist end-of-the-world fantasies. I do wonder if some of the evangelical fervor of saving the earth (including our technological inventiveness — Y2K) might have to do with end-of-the-millenium fever (anxiety). Perhaps this is its last push and all humans will settle down for awhile. But the forces that have attached themselves to these psychological-emotional needs (in every historical civilization thus far, I think) are very powerful and will need a tremendous push over the edge by all of us.
An excellent science education beginning in preschool might be one of those essential “beginnings” of a respectful, skeptics (truth-seeking) movement. I think of Anthony Watts as one of the greatest educators of our time. Thank you.
E.M.Smith (00:49:25):
Good one. I like “big picture” analysis. Yes, they had the hypothesis without the science in the 70s, and by god that was their story and they stuck to it. By any means necessary.
@ alleagra (02:37:50) :
One way to start winning the battle is to create a single well-publicized authoritative website that acts as a to provide rebuttals for the latest scare story from the AGW crowd.
I think you mean something like this:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/12/global-warming-skepticism-101/
I think this answers most of your points.
Donkeys are hard to move when they decide to stop at Copenhagen ☺
“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.”
President Dwight Eidenhower 1961
40 years later
“The science is settled”
Al Gore
BTW Everything is cold now, except for two points. Look at this:
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html
That hot point near NY has several weeks.
Great article … Thanks
The book “The Starfish and the Spider” explains how headless groups of people are most resistant to being subverted. It’s clear that government grants(payoffs) have caused science to veer from the truth into the political. The lay people investigating Climategate cannot be bribed or swayed from their course of pursuit of truth, the fatal flaw for the scam of AGW.
Fool me once — Open science is the only science to be trusted.
fabius (06:16:36) : said “Have you guys heard of common purpose?” Unfortunately, yes I have, and their methods sound very similar. Rather alarmingly they had their main opponents website taken down a few days ago. They are claiming copyright on FOI requests! How wonderful – you can ask us questions, but not tell anyone else what we tell you!!
http://cpexposed.com/
Another example of trying to stifle any dissenting voices?
rich1225 (08:47:49) :
“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.”
President Dwight Eidenhower 1961
For the sake of truth: It has been exactly the opposite: A pseudo-scientifictechnological “new age”elite captive of a political elite, captive again by a Wall Street elite.
And what motivates a 6 legged beast?
feeding trough
herd mentality
No “conspiracy” need be invoked, except perhaps among some of those controling the purse strings, i.e, holding the keys to the feeding trough. But even among them I think the motivation can still be attributed largely to those 2.
JonesII (09:12:34) :
Perhaps this quote best sums up the problem we are facing now?
” the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded. “
For that and others, see here in context.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
Mapou (03:33:45) :
“May I suggest that this blog use a share button that readers can use to share articles with sites like Digg, Reddit, Slashdot and others? Anti AGW commenters and submitters almost always get voted out at those sites. We need to stop that.”
THIS IS A *GREAT* IDEA.
Regarding the environmentalists who want us to return to a simple, more primitive lifestyle, they are the 21st Century version of the “Pigs” that Orwell portrayed in Animal Farm. These Pigs will preside over the naturalization of Gaia and all of her creatures. Pigs will again be “more equal than others” oligarchs. Pigs will never abandon their limos and and private jets while the rest of us will revert to the horse and buggy days.
I think that the cause needs some better words as to describe what the anti-agw is trying to accomplish. “Deniers” and “Critics” is damaging and does not have a very nice ring to it. Introduce something better. Anyone with a good grasp of the english vocabulary that give a hand?
fabius (06:16:36) : All those “civil societies” have a common agenda, the one of their patrons, who are the same ones behind “climate change”, they have in common that nobody ever elected them and reclaim for them the right to manage power as would be elected officials. Their goal is only one and the same for all them, though its participants may ignore it.
However, there is a bigger conspirer, call it nature or God, who just laughs at them.
“Goliath now occupies Copenhagen”
Dec. 15-25: You’re Freezing if You’re in Europe
http://www.accuweather.com/video-on-demand.asp?video=55253314001&channel=VBLOG_BASTARDI&title=Dec. 15-25: You’re Freezing if You’re in Europe
Please God
Dave Wendt (01:32:25) :
“Given the incredible disparity in financial resources, the almost complete domination by the alarmists of every means of opinion formation in society[news, entertainment, education,etc.], the ability of the rational viewpoint to turn the tide of public opinion in the face of a two decade long massive propaganda campaign from the climate alarmists has to rank as a miracle. Were I a more devout believer, I might be moved to suggest that it indicates that God is on our side.”
Perhaps god and the truth are one and the same. Despite our sophistication and intelligence we are still just social animals who have the instinct to cower together in the face of the unknown. When scared we will tend to accept the authority of our existing leaders, until better ones come along.
The swing against AGW started long before the Climategate leak, as one after another ‘predicted disasters’ failed to happen. The cooling NH also helped de-bunk the CO2 myth.
Those in control of the world know that this ‘big lie’ has failed, and are retreating gracefully into the dark corners where they hide. However, they will not give up, so watch this space and be prepared for the next ‘big lie’ to happen.
Here’s the ice extent from Arctic-Roos. Observe the large error bars the put on the base average. Estimating sea-ice isn’t easy, even using satellite imagery and data.
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic
Seems like there’s also a lot of money behind Oil and Coal companies (Exxon, etc). Hmmm, maybe more money and power than the so-called “big money climate change scientists”? Well at least big industries has never tried to influence policy in the face of adverse science before.
(7) [largest in America] Wall Street Carbon Trading Firms and wannabes and their “corporate partner” NGOs they donate to or create.
Tenuc (10:30:48) :
“Here’s the ice extent from Arctic-Roos. Observe the large error bars the put on the base average.”
Their +/-1 STD looks like it’s probably been selected from the “best” of their data to reflect their alarmist views.
Here’s another, slightly less scary, look at the data, without the misleading STD info.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm\
Note how the data here isn’t the same as that for your refs. If that’s a reflection of their uncertainty about what it is, then the real error must be much greater than what they are claiming it to be.
For them to suggest that small error bars are actually reflective of the reality seems to me to be completely in line with the “tricks” used by CRU. I don’t trust any of them.
RE: The feeding trough
Just show your green credentials and come belly up to the trough.
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/the-money-trail/5834-copenhagen-climate-summit-carbon-trading-fraudsters-in-europe-pocket-5bn
“Carbon trading fraudsters may have accounted for up to 90pc of all market activity in some European countries, with criminals pocketing an estimated €5bn (£4.5bn) mainly in Britain, France, Spain, Denmark and Holland, according to Europol, the European law enforcement agency.”
I.e., only 10% of it is possibly legit. Sure, we need to expand this sort of “business” worldwide, because it will be for the “good” of the world.
What could go wrong?
Lucas Taylor (09:57:18) :
And a Tweet feature too – it’s massively increased the coverage of the Telegraph here in the UK – I forward on about 5 stories a week.
Unfortunately, it’s now a “seven-legged monster”. The seventh leg is comprised of all those who have “bet” or speculated that the Greenies have gotten, or are about to get, their way, will somehow win the political battle (which is what this is really all about, all scientific-ish appearances to the contrary notwithstanding).
Keep following the money. “Green Portfolios” are the next artificial bubble, one that has already been ridiculously inflated. There is more rotten in the state of Denmark than the new religion. The money-changers at the temple are already embroiled in fraudulent “carbon offset” sales scandals of their own, totaling in the billions– and we haven’t even begun yet.
Think the co-opting of science by the Warmest Religion was a feat? That’s nothing. It’s already being re-co-opted by Industry, including their much hated and oft-derided “Big Oil”. Shell, BP and others – all on board, ready to ride the Green Gravy Train Express.
They have their portfolios to protect now. Many do. People who don’t give a fig about the science, but just want to see an increase in their net worth, regardless how artificially induced.
OT but this letter just received from the ASA regarding UK propaganda ad:
“. . . The TV ad (a) will be investigated under CAP (Broadcast) TV Advertising Standards Code rules 4 (Political and controversial issues), 5.1.1, 5.1.2 (Misleading advertising: general), 5.2.1 (Misleading advertising: evidence), 5.2.6 (Misleading advertising: environmental claims), 6.4 (Harm and offence: personal distress), 7.4.6 (Children: distress), 7.4.7 (Children: use of scheduling restrictions) and CAP (Broadcast) TV Scheduling Code rule 4.2.3 (Treatments unsuitable for children).
The press ads (b), (c), (d) and (e) will be investigated under CAP Code clauses 3.1, 3.2 (Substantiation), 7.1 (Truthfulness), 9.1 and 9.2 (Fear and distress), 49.1 and 49.3 (Environmental Claims).
Once we have reached an initial conclusion, we will make a recommendation to the ASA Councils as to whether or not we believe the ads may breach the advertising Codes on one or more points. We will do this as soon as we can, but it is important that we follow our published procedures, and that means we will not be in a position for the Councils to make a final decision on the case until the New Year. ”
So, just about when the ad campaign is due to finish then.
Chris (01:46:19) :
what about the arktic sea ice extend?
it went down at the beginning of the copenhagen meeting.
See this link for an animation. It looks like some weather event caused the ice to pile up/recede in the Bearing Strait.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/animate.arctic.color.0.html
I just gathered that many of you consider this a political fight. It isn’t, it is an unraveling. As I said before: I only want temperature graphs, not speeches nor rally cries. The earths atmosphere and climate is what I am interested in.
This article is full of exactly the same political nonsense that the other side uses too.
I don’t care a tad about Copenhagen, nor do I thing the UN is a one-world government. It is not even remotely a government. The UN is a teethless giant dressed up to sooth the consciense of world leaders enough to think that they are actually contributing to a United World, before they go on as usual. Mind you, whenever *real* interests will be endangered none of those so calles “united” nations will be bothered to be held by the treaties they so solemnly signed. Copenhagen won’t destroy economies because when it becomes evident that it will then other parties will be chosen in the elections of the western nations, that will disengage from the treaties. The only thing that will be destroyed then is the idea of the UN. And all the credibility of the environmental movements. A lot of you won’t be bothered by that, but I assume side effects might even be the reopening of the whale hunt or something like that. I wouldn’t be thrilled by that.
Basically, I just want to see what the climate does. It is *extermely* interesting to see if the earth actually has negative feebacks, since I think it must have those. We will know in just a few years, at most a decade.
Tenuc (10:30:48) :
Here’s the ice extent from Arctic-Roos. Observe the large error bars the put on the base average. Estimating sea-ice isn’t easy, even using satellite imagery and data.
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic
What I’ve found most interesting in watching the progress of the refreeze of the Arctic is that since the summer minimum of the ice area, DMI’s graph of Arctic region temperatures has been dramatically and consistently above the 20 yr. avg. but the regrowth of the ice has barely lagged the trends for previous years. Admittedly all the sites that post on ice area or extent have been warning of data unreliability problems with the satellites, but most of the errors seem to be underestimations.
This pattern of typical ice formation in the face of untypically high temps, seems to suggest that the state of polar ice is much less dependent on temperature than has been claimed.
paul hamer (03:11:55) :
“goretith”
I think it’s “gore-lieth”
cba (13:16:52) :
As in David vs “gore-lieth?”
A couple of commenters asked for sites where they could get basic info to oppose the claims of the alarmists. Here are two:
The Skeptics Handbook: http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/
Dr. Spencer’s GW 101: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/12/global-warming-skepticism-101/
Anthony, Mods, everyone,
Can we have an article on Top Ten’s to Debunk the Debunkers? Someone? I’ll have a go writing a piece myself if people email me for such. Trouble is, comments here are getting so long I can’t keep on following them, especially when I’m working on the core science “pebbles” to ensure they are running true.
H’m, five pebbles David had? There’s
(1) Mann’s hockey stick,
(2) the Yamal hockey stick,
(3) the GISS records,
(4) the CRU records, and
(5) the Ice Hockey Stick.
Didn’t know that last one? Have a look here
John Coleman is correct when he said the one thing we have on our side of this Global Warming Hoax is ‘ Truth ‘ , but there is another thing we have and that is our Strength in Numbers .
I got a chill down my spine whlle he was explaining the 6 legs of Goliath . Goliath is quite the opponent and it seems hopeless but in the same breath it really isn’t . What would it be , a few hundred thousand against 5 billion ? You gotta like the odds !
John Coleman KUUUUUUUUSI he’s the local weather guy in S.D.
Looking at the doom and gloom scenario wouldn’t you think that global warming is needed to “decrease the surplus population” that these warmist are shooting for? According to China and Canada that’s what needed, to many people they say.
BTW David when was confronted by Goliath he ran into him, no negotiation here, he just dealt with the giant and was victorious.
“Dear Mods please look out for people boosting the BNP from UK. Socialists as in National Socialist. Maggie’s ‘oxygen of publicity’ definitely applies.”
The last thing I would do is try to boost the BNP, a totally odious party. But Nick Griffin, on this particular occasion, said something I agreed with. I can understand your concern about someone having sinister intentions, but all I can say is that this was not my intent, as I’d hoped I’d made plain when I said that I never thought I’d find myself agreeing with Griffin about something.
BTW, I have found that since the breaking of Climategate, a number of people I used to have little respect for are standing up for the truth – people such as Nigel Lawson and Sarah Palin, for example. I have learnt a lesson from this: that no one is totally wrong, not even your greatest enemy. It strikes me that if the AGW team had also learnt this lesson, Climate science wouldn’t be in the mess it currently is.
Incidentally, my politics are pretty centrist.
I’ve found a 7th leg…. the one the warmists keep pulling.
Thanks, John, for a breath of fresh air.
I remember you as weatherman here in the great city of Chicago. Good to see you battling this Goliath of a scam! I’ll be sharing this with everyone I know.