Release of CRU files forges a new hockey stick reconstruction

“We are living in times of extraordinary data, never before seen. It’s accelerating, and worse than we thought.”
I think the word you are looking for is “unprecedented”

A hockey stick that we can all be proud of.

“. . . the largest ever thread.”
Nearly 1,200 comments and 180,000 hits in one day (and it was the 4th post of that day). At the risk of stating the obvious, I’d say you struck a nerve. (I liked the commenter that said they had run out of popcorn. A colleague was also riveted to the thread and emailed to say, “Who would have thought that a scandal would bring this house of cards down? Not bad science, not bad policy but good old fashionsed bad behaviour.”

Congrats on hitting # 1 on WordPress! Hopefully as this thing unfolds you, AirVent, and Climate Audit will get some well-deserved recognition in the mainstream press. That is, if the mainstream press even bothers to cover it!

It is because WUWT provides rapid and timely topical climate news stories that point to good science or to flaws in assumptions – what we want to see – no self satisfied “so there it is bean brain” talking down to viewers. A good set of well informed commentators that can take the story further. Why be surprised ?.

Well done Anthony. That’s a hockey stick that I do like to see.
Dominic

A day that has confirmed the suspicions of many inquiring minds…
A day that has opened many peoples’ eyes…
A day that should stop unfounded taxes and regulations…
A day that should help make the world a better place…
A truly momentous 24 hours…
Thank you Anthony. Thank you Moderators. Thank you Contributors.
Without you none of this would have been possible! Amazing.

Forgot to include links to Quantcast & Alexa; here they are:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wattsupwiththat.com+realclimate.org+climatecrisis.net+climateprogress.org
http://www.quantcast.com/profile/traffic-compare?domain0=realclimate.org&domain1=climateprogress.org&domain2=wattsupwiththat.com&domain3=climatecrisis.net&domain4=

In the end, it is the science that wins.

Fine work, as always, Mr Watts.
Why, I wonder, did this theme generate so many hits? Could it be that many were waiting to find something that appeared to confirm their suspicions?
I am sure there is one thing lying behind all the opinion polls that tell us the majority simply don’t accept the AGW scare story, that thing is nothing more than “it just doesn’t smell right”.
One confirmatory reading is now marked on the “stenchometer”. It will take a few more. I am ever hopeful that they will seep out to assault our nasal passages and ever grateful that courageous people like you, Mr Watts, are here to bring them to public attention.

Goal!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only Watt you deserve. A tribute to your persistence.

But are you willing to release ALL the data sets to Steve M?
LMFAROTFP!
Kudos
Leo G

I see the enormous efforts at positive spin (or positive denial – mountains out of molehills, cherry-picked quotes, might not all be real) starting at all the “usual” team sites.

Well done – lets get this in the mainstream so people know the truth!

James Delingpole has as a good piece on:- http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
The rest of the UK media seems to be ignoring it commpletely or fussing round the UEA in damage limitation mode.
This will not make a scintilla of difference to Copenhagen or to the policies of Obama, Merkel, Brown, Rudd and all the rest. None of that is about science, anyway. Not even the corrupt and arrogant ‘science’ perpetrated by Phil Jones and his band of eco-fascist crooks.
But it is to be hoped that it is yet another (and a big clunky) spanner in their machinations. Sooner or later the truth will of course out. And this is a milestone along the way.
Just have to hope that too much damage hasn’t already been done to human society (and to the reputation of true science) when this tired and comprehensively discredited AGW bubble eventually bursts.

It would please me to no end if we just referred to this collection as “The CRUTAPE letters”
with a hat tip to CS lewis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwtape_Letters
screwtape played by jones
wormwood played by mann
TM moshpit

Wonderfully Unswerving Work Triumph, chaps. Well done those men.

Who’d a thunk I’d a stayed awake half the night on this. I was holding out for decent behaviour (by us) in this sea of appalling rudeness and corruption of Scientific Method, and I think that is coming through nicely.
Only the BBC shock me: interviewing the CRU folk with no mention of the “whistleblower” aspect. None at all. No suggestion that perhaps this stink needed to come out if we are to restore good science.

Without doubt this is the high water mark of the AGW flim flam. The emails do little to destroy the sad science of climate warming; rather they call into question the integrity and the honesty of the Hockey Stick fanboys and their pals.
People who have been reading WUWT and CA have already known that the “team” is willing to lie about, suppress, ignore and attack anyone and anything which challenges their deeply flawed point of view. The emails simply confirm that has been obvious for a couple of years.
The AGW fat lady is in the wings warming up.
In Copenhagen she will sing her first aria. And she will keep singing until doubt and science take their rightful place in the climate debate.

This is an amazing ride! Thanks Anthony and moderators!
This hockey stick is impressive, you could ask the “de TEM” to per-review the data…. LOL

Now we can start looking at adaptation, if necessary.

Ditto!!
I hope this all leads to corrective action at the state, legal and media levels.
The entire world has been defrauded. THERE HAS TO BE COMPENSATION FOR DAMAGES.
When I think about all
1. The “green taxes” I’ve paid,
2. The costly regluations that had to be dealt with
3. The tax money paid to fund this fraud
4. The tax money paid forall these bogus studies
5. The taxes paid to fund the IPCC
6. those damn expensive climate conferences
7. the political time devoted to a non-problem
8. all the scientists who had their careers ruined
9. all those green subsidies for renewables
10. all the kids in hunger because of biofuels
and so on,
It’s time that these people be investigated, indicted and juste meeted out.
Yes, I think if we all assembled in a class action suit, we could finally get this ball rolling.
Reconcilliation? No way!
Those fraudsters can thank their lucky stars they aren’t living in the Old West days.
I’m gonna bring this up with a lawyer I know and see what avenues are possible. They took, correction, THEY STOLE, enough of my money.

Speaking of olfactory organs… Good for the ego and nutritious too!
http://startthinkingright.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/nobel-peace-prize.jpg

Congratulations to everyone involved in exposing this (assuming it all turns out to be true).
I have this uneasy feeling that this is a complex rouse, designed to prove the evils of climate change deniers ahead of the Copenhagen conference….
But if it turns out to be true, the I hope Anthony Watts & Stephen McIntyre are nominated for the Nobel prize. They truely deserve it.

Wonder of wonders, Thank you (King for the day) Anthony
Just watched BBC news on the satellite, floods in England disasters left and right but not a word of global warming, normally it would be the big news ”England is drowning in global warming’

Thanks for your great work Anthony, you are a hero of all Life on Earth.
Can’t wait to see the self inflicted incitements that fall out from this leaked information assuming it’s not been falsified.
How do we know it’s good leaked information anyhow?

Hopefully a sea-change, (no pun intended):
Climate scientists accused of ‘manipulating global warming data’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6619796/Climate-scientists-accused-of-manipulating-global-warming-data.html

Thank you Hacker …for your courage.
Regards
Mihcael

Anthony, you are the Best!
I`m very interested in the further evolution…

Mods: This is all very interesting, but what people really want to know – assuming this revelation about Hadley is significant enough to dismember or seriously damage the entire AGW hypothesis – is:
How will this debunking/scandal effect my 401K, my house value, what kind of car I drive, the value of the dollar, international trade, my job, the cost of groceries, gas, and electricity, etc. ? How it will impact the political balance of power over the next 3 years, and other mundane issues of concern to the average ( US ) citizen.
Ordinary folks don’t give a rat’s fanny about the “science” or the internal shenanigans of some obscure research center. They care about how and when it might impact them personally in ways they may not even realize.
How about some words of wisdom for all the “Joe Sixpacks” out here in the real world?
Reply: Stay out of show business. ~ ctm

Lindzen Trashes “Global Warming”
After nine climate scientists, all believers in global warming, are interviewed by Tom de Castella in the Financial Times today, Dr Lindzen has his say.
The FT doesn’t want me to reproduce the whole article, so here’s the link, and Dr Lindzen’s contribution:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f1d9f856-d4ad-11de-a935-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
The sceptic
Name: Richard Lindzen
Age: 69
Nationality: American
Position: Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Expertise: Atmospheric dynamics
Richard Lindzen is by turns charming and cantankerous. “That is the stupidest question I’ve ever heard!” he yells when I ask whether global warming is occurring. Later, as I outline the layman’s notion of what warming means, he barks: “Stop this bullshit!” When I cite a spokesman for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change saying the world warmed by 0.6°C over the 20th century, he puts it down to the natural variability of the climate.
Raised in the Bronx and educated at Harvard, Lindzen is the most respected of the climate change naysayers among other scientists. Arguing that CO2’s impact on climate has been overstated, he says that emissions can keep growing with no consequences. The pre-industrial level of CO2 was 280 parts per million, we are now at 380ppm and the negotiators at Copenhagen want to stabilise it at about 450ppm. But Lindzen says we can safely climb past 10,000ppm. Even if for some reason there is an impact, we will have ample time to see it coming, he claims.
Contrary to what the models say, he argues that the world has not warmed over the past decade. We’ve underestimated natural variability, he says. And in the context of “only” 0.6°C of warming, the argument that man has caused most of it is not tenable. His critics say his emphasis on the past 10 years is a red herring.
Assertions of climate change were not based on a 10-year trend but on a 30- to 50-year period.
Lindzen is convinced that global warming will one day be exposed as a con. “I hope,” he says, “it’s in my lifetime.”
Personal stance: Drives a small car, uses energy-saving light bulbs and says he probably uses less energy than “the climate change activists in Washington with their Mercedes”.

Let me give you a tentative congratulations, subject to peer review of course! This is the price of success, Anthony. We see a hockey stick and we try and knock it down!

Slightly off topic, but we shouldn’t get too excited about recent expose on the CRU!
What Jones et al could be looking to is the classic British tactic. Bring in the Police, which they have done, have an exhaustive (& by definition expensive) investigation will take place, all data will sub-judice, & therefore illegal to view or discuss, after an 18 month investigation, bodies will be selected for interview & charges made, then their lawyers will counter & demand at least 6 months for trial preparation, a trial date will be set for 9 months later, then a lengthy drawn out trial will be undertaken, say 3 months with recesses & adjournments, then the defence lawyers move for a mis-trial, then a new date is set, another 6 months goes by. By that time those concerned will be able to fabricate something better to cover their rear ends. Perhaps I am too old & cynical? Thank goodness for the internet!

The sad part of all this, it that 90% or more of the population don’t know what is happening. They only look at little clips on the news that mann ops men is killing the planet and change channel to look at Oprah.
The media will simply talk less about the warming.
All this is a fight between two groups of elites.
— In one corner, you have the skeptics with a excellent knowledge of the sciences involved.
–In the other corner you have alarmist of all sorts who feel guilty and need to buy indulgence.
Another hockey stick I would love to see would be in the number of news stories in the main stream media, but I don’t see this as possible. Mainly because it takes honesty and humility to admit you where wrong.

Seems that it is not so good for your job position to disagree with global warming movement:
> On something completely different – just agreed to review another
> crappy
> paper by Chappell/Agnew on Sahel Rainfall. Chappell is out of a job –
> and still
> he tries to write papers saying the Sahel drought might not have
> happened!
>
> Both are just time wasters – but necessary to do unfortunately.
>
> Weekend away with the family now – back Monday!
>
> Cheers
> Phil[/quote]
Sahel HAS seen more rain!!!! thats not debatable. But not in line with AGW horror.
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@ ctm . 🙂 Ok, I can take a joke. 🙂 It would be nice tho, if somebody would put it in the context I mentioned. After all, the issue does have impacts outside of the scientific world.

I would just like to say well done. I have read this blog for a while and seen the way in which you have been insulted and abused on other sites.
Vindication I’m sure feels good.
Well done for everything.

The MSM have picked up on this. The Mail website has it on the front page (not your personal hockey-stick, the CRU email hack).

From: J Shukla To: IPCC-Sec Subject: Future of the IPCC: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:46:33 -0500 Cc: Ian.allison@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, neville.nicholls@xxxxxxxxx.xxx……
great stuff:
“”There is now greater demand for a higher level of policy relevance in the work of IPCC, which could provide policymakers a robust scientific basis for action”.
1. While it is true that a vast majority of the public and the policymakers have accepted the reality of human influence on climate change (in fact many of us were arguing for stronger language with a higher level of confidence at the last meetings of the LAs), how confident are we about the projected regional climate changes?
I would like to submit that the current climate models have such large errors in simulating the statistics of regional (climate) that we are not ready to provide policymakers a robust scientific basis for “action” at regional scale. I am not referring to mitigation, I am strictly referring to science based adaptation.
For example, we can not advise the policymakers about re-building the city of New Orleans – or more generally about the habitability of the Gulf-Coast – using climate models which have serious deficiencies in simulating the strength, frequency and tracks of hurricanes”……….
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=861&filename=1202939193.txt

Congrats on a great feat – this looks like some of the best news for a couple of months. But to all those already popping champaign bottles, I’d say: hold your horses. This matter isn’t about science, it’s about politics, and power. There’s too much at stake, too much has been invested by the likes of Mr. Gore and whoever is backing them.
I’d say this will end up white-washed in the end, also thanks to the means through which the data was obtained. Just look at for instance Charlie Sheen’s 20 Minutes … Or the Lisbon Treaty – a year ago this looked like a sheer insanity that could hardly be taken seriously by anyone who actually read it; problem is almost no one did, including politicians (most of whom were actually ready to sign even before the text was available to anyone, themselves included). Or the Codex Alimentarius, etc.
Also bear in mind that this news spreads like wildfire only in the English speaking world, but when it comes to all the other languages populations it will be slowed down and distorted by the media reporting it (that’s already happening, as there’s no point for them to re-print the original English texts and they seldom link to the original source even if ‘legit’ or official) – it’s the same as if the rest of the world didn’t have access to the original raw data to be able to ‘peer review’. So passing this info onto the non-English speaking nations will be up to local personalities trusted enough by sufficient numbers in local populations, but also depending on those personalities’ view of the whole matter.
Just my 5 cents, sorry for a lengthy post 🙂

Geoffrey Lean at the Telegraph is ignoring this. (Well now, there’s a surprise. Probably hasn’t been told what to think yet!)
His piece today is that the floods in Cumbria are “proof” of global warming. He’s not getting an easy ride, I’m pleased to say.

From: Jonathan Overpeck To: Stefan Rahmstorf Subject: Re: urgent help re Augusto Mangini Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:35:51 -0600 Cc: Valerie Masson-Delmotte , Eystein Jansen , Keith Briffa
Hi Stefan – Valerie was the lead on the Holocene section, so I’ll cc her. I agree that your approach is the smart one – it’s easy to show proxy records (e.g., speleothems) from a few sites that suggest greater warmth than present at times in the past, but our assessment was that there wasn’t a period of GLOBAL warmth comparable to present. We used the term likely, however, since there still is a good deal of work to do on this topic – we need a better global network of sites.

Well if being a party to a criminal computer break-in is what it takes to get people to read this blog, go for it!

Thanks for hard work Anthony. It is blogs like this and CA that have the pressure on for truth, no matter what that is that has driven this. Be it a leaker or hacker it was the quest for truth that has won. The “Fat Lady” isn’t singing yet, but I think I can hear her warming up. Thanks to all truth seekers, yes that’s all of you here at WUWT!

Its the ultimate in whistle blowing and could possibly spare BILLIONS of our grand children from being snagged in the drift net of the Global Warming industrial machine, I’ll sit on that jury right now. Taxation is generational theft, detaining terrorists is done so without their being read Miranda and scientists went the way of religion falsifying their message in order to scare the peasantry into submission before their altar of Global Warming but all was done for the “common goody goodness” so that makes them one and all “the right thing to do”. Get over the “how they were caught” and back to the shining fact that science, the pursuit of ultimate truths, was being fabricated. Any falsification in scientific method is abomination and no amount of spin can “pretty up” that ugly truth.
My grandchildren thank whomever is the whistle blower/hacker and we sincerely hope you take solstice in your part of saving the society of man billions better spent elsewhere. Imagine 100 billion spent on bioengineering crops for harsh climates or the same spent on aids research.
As for whatsupwiththat readership, everyone who is a regular reader knew why to frequent this blog and no so do a lot more folks. I’m not surprised as there had to be at least a few hundred thousand curious minds unaffected by Jabba the Gore’s apocalyptic fantasies.

“Nigel Brereton (01:59:09) :
RE J.Hansford (23:48:09)
In the end, it is the science that wins.
Unfortunately the focus in the mainstream press at the moment is on the criminal act of hacking not the criminal act of falsifying data.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8370282.stm”
Hopefully at least one paper here in the UK will pick up the case and run with it. Do not forget that The Telegraph exposed the expense scandal of Westminster MPs and the public prosecution service decided it was not in the public interest to prosecute the individual who sold the files to The Telegraph. This is definitely in the public interest and I would assume that once it is exposed the prosecution service will not launch a prosecution in this country if the files are genuine and fraud has been committed. There was also the case of the Home Office suppression of information where it was not considered in the public interest to prosecute the “leaker” or the Conservative “shadow Home Secretary” who used the information.

I am a layman who has been interested in the topic of global warming for many years now. I have concluded that man made global warming is hogwash, but very dangerous hogwash. I would wish to thank the manager of this site, and its contributors for doing very important work. Please keep at it. The truth will come out. So, if no one has ever said thank you, may I do so now. THANK YOU! Best regards, Jim

Congratulations Anthony!
I’m waiting for the AGW’ers to disclose that these were deliberate fakes designed to help an internal inquiry ferret out a leak. Of course, they’ll have to have a public hanging to make it stick…or should that be hockey stick?

Congratulations!

When Gorebull Warmists complain about the data being illegally hacked remind them of this little incident and how Mann and others supported the “activists” who damaged the power plant.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cleared-jury-decides-that-threat-of-global-warming-justifies-breaking-the-law-925561.html
I think I’ll Google about and see if Jones had any comments on the occasion.

I took up a suggestion above and donated $20 to WUWT. Not so long ago I did the same for Climatechange.org in recognition of S. McIntyre’s sterling work. I would encourage fellow readers and contributors to do the same. A lot of small contributions will all add up to allow Messrs Watts & McIntyre to continue their excellent work to expose non scientific behaviour in the scientific community associated with climate change research.

‘Circling the wagons’ indeed! Consider this paragraph from Real Climate’s response to this delightful contretemps.
“More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.”
Clumsy, clumsy attempt at legerdemain. If you don’t want to deal with what is said, then misdirect the audience to consider what is not said, a set which is always vastly larger. And here, what is not said is what no one in your opponents’ camp ever claimed; it is a straw man, an unrecognizable and crude caricature of sceptics’ concerns. The next step in this tango for two left feet would be to compare your opponents to 9/11 Truthers or to Obama Birthers.
But perhaps the construction of straw men can prove revelatory of the ‘texture’ of thinking of the constructor. In Depth Psychology this is called ‘projection’; the projector here begins and ends with notions of ‘conspiracy’ and ‘paranoia’.
De te fabula narratur?
In between this framing vision of delusive mentation are sandwiched allusions to specific absences. George Soros ghosts in– there is no evidence of his existence, we are told, in any of the CRU material; he does not ‘nefariously fund’ climate research. But surely he *does* fund climate research, nefariously or otherwise. Another piece of crude misdirection, in this case deployed by exploding a highly connotative stink bomb of an adverb in front of a demurely well-behaved, denotative verb.
Of course, Big Oil *does* ‘nefariously fund’ the AGW deniers.
There is in the leaked material ‘no admission that global warming is a hoax’. But who would expect one? For Phil Jones at al to be hoaxers, they would have to believe consciously that the science they are ‘pushing’ is false; a liar has to be a truth-knower. But surely there are degrees of belief and of acknowledgement of truth. It seems to me entirely possible that men the likes of the Team, men who were trained up in an appreciation for scientific method, might harbor half-acknowledged doubts about the fundamental truthfulness of the hypothesis they have vested their whole careers in, and which has provided them with a privleged lifestyle (all that hectic, carbon-spewingjetting to spots like Tahiti). What does Phil Jones think of the validity of CO2-driven global warming when he wakes up at three in the morning?
‘There is no evidence of falsifying data.’ Really? Perhaps no ‘dispositive evidence’, as the lawyers would say. But surely there is circumstantial evidence.
Enough. I recommend to one and all a reading–or better, a fiftieth re-reading– of George Orwell’s ‘Politics and the English Language’.

Excellent work, congratulations! Keep it up!

Chris Wright (03:55:00) :
What will be unprecedented ia if Geoffrey Lean gets dropped.

My Brother suggests that Academic Charges on all the Phd’s (Pile Higher and
Deeper) be brought through their issuing Universities.
Because the nature of the granting of the Phd requires certain adherence to academic integrity and “Lux et veritas” (Light and Truth), there is (technically) a method to withdraw the Phd based on such actions.
I think if a couple of “Prominent” types lost their Phd’s that would be wonderful.
(Of course, this is less likely to happen than Obama getting up and announcing that “Health Care is Dead” and “We have the best private system in the world, why change it?” HAHAHAHA!

In the old days, this would have been settled with a rail, a bag of feathers, and a pot of tar. GK

Congratulations to Mr Watt and all the mods for a tremendous public service.
Upthread, a parallel was drawn with the MPs expenses in Britain – it started out as a lot of little stories that suddenly caught fire when the Daily Telegraph bought the data and put 30 researchers onto it.
With the CRU files in the blogosphere – and I assume a lot more is up someone’s sleeve – it will be impossible for the MSM to ignore this for much longer. Delingpole made a really good point – almost all of their contacts are AWG lobbyists, scientists or sympathisers – no wonder they are feeling a) stupid, b) compromised and c) lost for what to do next.

That is going to tick off “the Team”. Congratulations.
Jim

Joe Romm at Climate Progress also has a hockey stick.
I checked the last eight threads of his The most recent was about the CRU info release. It had 42 comments.
In reverse order the previous threads had the following number of comments
2, 2,2,,3,7 and 2. The CRU topic which he cut and pasted from Real climate had more than the previous 7 topic combined. 42 is a very high number for Climate Progress. People into science don’t go there. It is mostly a leftist site to promote heavy taxes and government dominated “green” projects. They can’t tell us what green jobs are except all jobs at GE are green.
This site has 100 times as many visitors and comments.

Anthony will be getting a $100. donation from me, and I will be purchasing my own weather station from his stash.
Meanwhile, all Anthony did was to say,
“Whoa! Can we really measure temperature accurately?” and proceeded to try to find out.
The lack of foregone conclusions in the studies posted here, the constant openness to any and all questions, and the lack of a political agenda is what has attracted many to this site as a source of dependable sanity, a refuge.
Thanks Anthony, now get some sleep.

Alleged CRU Emails – 1249045162.txt
This is bloody scandalous.
Hi, Phil,
> >
> > Yes, Friday-Saturday I noticed that ClimateFraudit had renewed their
> > interest in you. I was thinking about sending an email of
> > sympathy, but
> > I was busy preparing for a quick trip to Hawaii – I left Monday
> > morningand flew out Tuesday evening and am now in the Houston
> > airport on my way
> > home.
> >
> > Data that we can’t release is a tricky thing here at NCDC.
> > Periodically,Tom Karl will twist my arm to release data that would
> > violate agreements
> > and therefore hurt us in the long run, so I would prefer that you
> > don’tspecifically cite me or NCDC in this.
> >
> > But I can give you a good alternative. You can point to the
> > Peterson-Manton article on regional climate change workshops. All
> > thoseworkshops resulted in data being provided to the author of the
> > peer-reviewed paper with a strict promise that NONE of the data
> > would be
> > released. So far as far as I know, we have all lived up to that
> > agreement – myself with the Caribbean data (so that is one example of
> > data I have that are not released by NCDC),

OT but just posted this at Real Climate.
“I am a skeptic layman. I think the mistake AGW believers made was when then [they] let people like Al Gore proclaim that the debate is over. This begs the question “Why are we all still posting on blogs?” As Gavin well knows in science the debate is never over. I hope my post is accepted, if not then it will further demonstrate why skeptic blogs abound on the net.”
—
“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”
“The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.”
Einstein

Now that is a hockey stick graph we can believe in!

Peter S. (6:23),don’t even be tempted to feel sorry. Every individual has the personal responsibility to research conclusions that are immensely costly to the taxpayer and that might bring about dangerous actions of a regional scale. Carbon sinks? What happens when that carbon is released in a gigantic belch? Massive dumping in the oceans to alter temperature? Cap-and-trade taxation and policies that will impoverish every human on the planet except the corporate/government elites who will benefit? A century of contempt for science because our researchers are proven to be such frauds and with criminal intent (in relationship to science) — preventing publications in peer-reviewed journals, firing “skeptics”, giving grants/funding only AGW true believers, providing doctored research to political entities, refusing, and even damning, open debate to verify the science and falsify the hypotheses (the one and only scientific method), the “audacity” to imagine we humans with so little knowledge of a dynamic, chaotic system we call weather/climate can tell all with computer models? The list goes on and on.
(I read Science Mag and Nature faithfully over the years and believed in “global warming” because the “peer-reviewed scientists” said it was so. But once more was afoot — public policies, taxation, regulations up the gazoo, and radicalized, ridiculous environmental organizations — I knew I had to see for myself. Show me. A version of the scientific method and of investigative journalism. It was very easy to find out the lies. And WUWT was very helpful.)
I agree with P. Gosselin (1:18:08) who has been seconded by Allan M R MacRae (5:43:51). We need class action law suits filed immediately. Don’t stop for a breath of fresh air. We won’t find any until the fetid swamp is drained (sorry for using a wetland metaphor). CLASS ACTION SUITS or whatever other AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS are possible. I am glad to contribute.
One reason why all deliberate speed is necessary is given by Alan the Brit (3:02:18) “…the classic British tactic. Bring in the Police…all data will sub-justice & therefore illegal to view or discuss” for a very long time.
Yes, thank goodness for the Internet, for Anthony Watts and WUWT, Steve McIntyre, Jeff Id (where the files were first deposited in the U.S.), and everyone else who has worked so hard and so imaginatively for truth and the scientific method.

Consensus synonym : CONSPIRACY

A christmas carol:
How the Grinch Stole the Weather.

If this story is true it will probably be the final nail in the coffin of AGW. Unfortunately it will give science a huge black eye. Fortunately it will give the politicians that supported this scheme an even bigger and well deserved black eye.
But if the story is a hoax it will make the skeptics out to be wild eyed conspiracy theorists.

Your hockey stick shows no LIA or MWP. Doesn’t that discredit it?
Oh, wait…

On one blog site raised hell that this was illegal, and not “whistle blowing”. It continued, a “whistle blower” would work WITHIN the organization.
YAHHH SUURRRR, like telling the “godfather” his people are breaking the law.

If Steve McIntyre were in the pay of the oil companies, as one of the emails claim, wouldn’t he have a server that could handle the traffic on days like yesterday? There’s scarcely better proof that he is exactly who he says he is that he’s clearly operating a very low bandwidth site.

John Peter (06:20:57) :
I await with eagerness the take up in the Sunday papers this weekend. My initial thought is that I am going to be disapointed though.
Maybe if we start enquiring at the news web sites prior to publication there will be some interest shown by editors.

Certainly there’s got to be a LAW FIRM out there that is itching to take this case up. Britain would be the best place to file suit, or USA.
I’m in Germany and I don’t see it being effective from here.
If someone finds a LAW FIRM and sets up a legal fund, I’m prepared to throw in the first $500.
My checkbook and pen are waiting.
Personally I’d prefer doing this with a posse and a rope.
But we do live in civilised times.
I hope to hear news of a lawsuit.
ANY LAWYERS OUT THERE?

Why are these ‘Warmists’ so keen on all their jollies to Tahiti and Hawaii? One law for us and one for them, eh? I travel occasionally to visit family around the globe, not for jolly long-haul weekends. What a bunch of hypocrites they are, to be sure!
What about the ‘cost’ to the planet of all their incredible over-sized conferences, including the planned binge in Copenhagen?

Great work. As to someone being in the pay of someone else, how about those who are in the pay of governments? Governments which decide just who gets the government grants in huge amounts? Governments wanting to find something or other to collect huge taxes by way of? Governments which will have been collecting large amounts of taxes regarding the fraud of AGW? And governments which were certainly wanting to tax people out of their eyeballs with AGW as a reason? A den of thieves comes to mind, and a large den of thieves indeed.
Again, great thanks, Anthony. You are indeed a credit to your profession.

Arthur Glass (07:26:50) : Who, exactly, among the ‘climate sceptics’ has claimed that the leaked material shows a ‘conspiracy’?

Well, Andrew Bolt (bless his heart) has for one:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_warmist_conspiracy_the_australian_link/

Simon Filiatrault (03:11:42) :

The sad part of all this, it that 90% or more of the population don’t know what is happening. They only look at little clips on the news that mann ops men is killing the planet and change channel to look at Oprah.

Don’t be so sure about that.
I was in my local Lidl store & mentioned that the sh1t was hitting the fan over climate science and the disclosures/leaks from CRU. The cashier at the till actually knew what I was talking about! He hadn’t heard of Lucias blackboard but you can’t have everything. He had heard of CA & WUWT though.
DaveE.

As a (retired) professional engineer from Canada, I am truly shocked by the contemptible behaviour of the scientists at Britain’s CRU. A total lack of ethics.
Canadian Order of the Engineer inductees wear a stainless steel ring on the little finger of their working hand as a visible reminder of the oath of integrity and ethics that they’ve taken. This Oath of the Obligations of an Engineer, heart of the “Iron Ring Ceremony”, governed my 40 years in the field of electronics. The various provincial Orders in Canada closely monitor the activities and professionalism of the practice of engineering in Canada.
These shameful and “so-called” scientists wouldn’t have lasted a day in the Engineering Profession in Canada. Well, at least that’s my impression after working with hundreds of colleagues for 40 years. What these men and women have done, and apparently continue to do, is despicable in the worst sense of the word.

This is my first time commenting although I have used this sites information to back up points in various arguments. But while in the War the “skeptics” are winning with this leak, the data still needs to be verified.
E-mails need to be correlated to information released at the time of their publishing and more importantly the code that was included needs to be gone through and deciphered. I have no doubts that the information that was leaked is real, just by judging the reactions of the “faithful”. They are in mega-overdrive damage control and it doesn’t appear to be working.
Even though is a major blow to the “faithful” it is also a major blow to climate science in general. It will take years for it to gain back its credibility. Although it shouldn’t be a challenge as long as the scientist follow standard scientific protocol.

From: Phil Jones
To: Tim Johns , “Folland, Chris”
Subject: Re: FW: Temperatures in 2009
Date: Mon Jan 5 16:18:24 2009
Cc: “Smith, Doug” , Tim Johns
Tim, Chris,
I hope you’re not right about the lack of warming lasting
till about 2020. I’d rather hoped to see the earlier Met Office
press release with Doug’s paper that said something like –
half the years to 2014 would exceed the warmest year currently on record, 1998!
Still a way to go before 2014.
I seem to be getting an email a week from skeptics saying
where’s the warming gone. I know the warming is on the decadal
scale, but it would be nice to wear their smug grins away.
I just can’t believe that I am reading something like this.

So has anybody heard from the Goracle?
Isn’t there some investigative reporter somewhere willing to shove a microphone in his face and DEMAND A COMMENT!
Will the Nobel Committee DEMAND THE RETURN OF THE MEDAL AND FUNDS FROM THE fRAUD THAT IS THE GORACLE?

“If this story is true it will probably be the final nail in the coffin of AGW. Unfortunately it will give science a huge black eye.” – David S
My greatest fear regarding “climate change” has for several years been not the damage it will do to the Earth but the damage it will do to the reputation and authority of science when the myth eventually came crashing down. What chance controversial vaccinations, genetic modification or nuclear power when any scientific assertion will inevitably be met with “Science says? Yeah, like it did over climate change!” And frankly, who could blame them when science and its “authorities” have lost the plot this badly?
One just has to read the distortions of the peer review process, the abuse for any who do not toe the party line, the sheer dripping contempt for those who dare to question their science and their blatant desire to rig the data (“about 0.15 degrees”) to “look right” to despair that people like this could ever lay claim to the title of “scientist”.
I know it’d be stooping to their “denier” level, but seeing the sheer self-righteous religious fervour and blindness in these mails, I keep thinking the term “climate scientologists” is all too painfully close to the truth.

Folks,
It’s easy – vote every politician who is out to save the world from “”””””Climate Change”””””out of office – and don’t frequent businesses who claim to be green.
OK, so we recycle and try not to mess up the nest, that’s intellegent – not world domination.
Mike

Let me join in the CELEBRATION from the other side of the big basin.

I even saw the MWP at 11:01 and the LIA at 11:14. Great job. You have succeeded to keep all the information without sacrificing legitimate knowledge. You are the guy IPCC need. Everybody will be happy.

WHAT A GREAT 24HOURS OR MORE. I just hope that some of our goverment leaders here in New Zealand have seen this as the goverment here on Tuesday looks likly to pass ETS into law. They say we will be paying $2000 a person till the year 2050. I just hope this will wake up our leaders eyes so that they can see the fraud that they have all been lead to belive.

This is just great, as well as exposing fraud and corruption it has presented us, for a few years , a true litmus test of scientific or political integrity. What conclusions do we come to when it is mainly left leaning (and I include you Mr D Cameron) people who bought in to and sold on this bovine effluent?
As to our leaders having been “lead” to believe, does this infer that all of us here, commenters as well, have extra-ordinary intelligence? without doubt there are lots here who are way smarter and better educated than me, mathematicians and real scientists, but all of us outshining the politicians by this gulf, cannot be, they knew where this train was going and now they and they alone should pay the fare, That nice Mr Soros who bought his good buddy that nice house in Washington has the money to pay us back(http://www.burmalibrary.org/reg.burma/archives/199701/msg00153.html)
Well done to all involved

so, where do we now get reliable global warming (or not) data?
he scientific community has done a great diservice to us.
John

Congratulations Anthony. A hockey stick to make the NHL proud.
It would be very interesting to know Lord Monckton’s thoughts as well as those of columnist George Will on the CRU “leaks.”
It would also be nice to see comments by Dr. Svalgaard.

LOL

I agree with Quango72 concerning the list.
Gio-

When you lie or present false information on a grand scale such as this, time is not your friend. They clock has just ran out on al goreo ,somebody just opened him up and ate the cream filling. Keep it up ,lets get some snow and ice/naoaa e-mails next.

Not so fast Brendan… read um again… The Climate has always been changing and will always be changing, unfortunately you (nor anyone else) can not stop that, as it is natural… anyone ignorant enough to think we can remove CO2 and improve plant and animal life requires re-education from non-revisionists.
Still, for AGW to be ongoing at this point, after so many REAL scientists have proven the truth for so many decades – this just adds more back up to many great, decent, people who are trying to warn the world that Mann, Hansen, et al deserve life sentences and all who went along with the fraud at least deserve time in prison and to be stripped of scientific credentials and degrees.
Will that happen, not with the current corrupt administration, I doubt any mention will occur… , they are probably still going to try to pass cap & tax.
I sent a letter to Sen. McCain and explained in 2 pages why his position could not be rationalized… I cited WUWT and CA… I also suggested he speak with Sen. Inhofe, if he still had questions… I do not think I was the only letter sent to him… but he has now come around!
If your a US voter… you may want to choose a Senator or so and just explain what you have learned, at the least they will realize more of us know the truth…
Perhaps this new data will cause a few “open minded” alarmists to rethink their positions?
Keep up the good work – Anthony and Congrats.

Gavin Schmidt of RealClimate put together an excellent post about hockey stick slayers such as you and McIntyre. Gavin produced seven graphs with no Yamal or dendro evidence included showing trends that were identical to Gore’s hockey stick, for both CO2 and temperature.
Both this blog and ClimateAudit are lively and interesting. Problem is, there is a reverse relationship to the actual scientific evidence.

Gavin is not going to go down easily… so lets be sure to cite him directly…
mike roddy (09:11:32) :
Gavin Schmidt of RealClimate put together an excellent post about hockey stick slayers such as you and McIntyre. Gavin produced seven graphs with no Yamal or dendro evidence included showing trends that were identical to Gore’s hockey stick, for both CO2 and temperature.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooolllll !
A nice header there old chap; well maybe not so old.