Cold start to fall continues, 252 more low temperature records set in the USA this week

President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen as per The Times UK:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece
Maybe he has seen temperature records such as this one? Looks like Copenhagen will result in a failure to agree a comprehensive CO2 reduction treaty. It would appear to me that countries such as China and India are not convinced that CO2 is the only or even main driver of global warming when it actually takes place in amongst periods of cooling and, therefore, will not agree to mandatory CO2 reductions for their countries. President Obama seems to have got that message. Instead he is going to Oslo 10 Dec. to deliver one of his hallmark speeches.

and here
Austria’s Alps recorded the biggest October snowfalls in 25 years
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Central_Europe_hit_by_heavy_snow_high_winds.html?siteSect=143&sid=11353748&cKey=1255549977000&ty=ti

The lack of co-operation of global temperatures is certainly being noticed more and more. Take a look at this comment piece on the bbc website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8322513.stm

I’m dreaming of a white…Haloween.
Well, maybe. They have snow in the forecast for Oct. 30 in NW Calif. Down to 3,000.
Won’t matter to the kids, though, they stopped Trick or Treating a decade ago.

I’ve just finished a round international news, CNN, CNBC, BBC World, Russia Today, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, TV France, all singing the same Climate Change Tunes, illustrated by a gigantic pile of semi scientific rubbish.
No word about the recent cold records.
Absolutely no balanced reporting whatsoever with only one single exception from BBC World, referring to a small group of protesters against CO2 restrictions as “arrogant deniers” of Climate Change who believe the climate is influenced by natural cycles rather than…..
The climate doctrine is safely in the hands of the UN and our Governments and our Government obviously control all our Media.
Very dangerous, for who controls the Media, controls the people.
The reality is that we already live in show democracies and it will take a revolution to kick out all these socialists and clean up and restore the system.
It is incredible to find out that our political establishments believe that it is “political correct” to rail road the economy in the name of the climate, risk our energy security
and millions of jobs only to exploit a hoax.
One more year of this shit and we can kiss our futures good bye.
They would not even need a signed Copenhagen treaty to achieve their objectives.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/the_debt_death_sprial.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/real_2009_budget_deficit_17856.html

Correct me if I am wrong, but a cool southeast, is typical of El Nino winters, right?

gtrip (01:31:19) :
Temperature chasing is even losing its appeal here.
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Maybe i am just easily entertained, but I happen to enjoy the “temperature chasing.”
Gtrip, Has it occurred to you that you are not required to click on or read topics that do not appeal to you?

The Sun has had a long run of down time, if I’m not mistaken this will be the third winter under a quiet Sun.
Third time’s the charm.
Who are those voices that claim the Sunspot cycle has nothing to do will climate variation?
They look all wet to me — or all frozen as the case may be…

This is what we would expect to see – natural short term fluctuations superimposed on the current long term global warming trend of 0.2°C per decade.

bushy (03:28:58) :
Those few high records slap bang in the middle of the cold ones need looking at.
Excellent point!
“The nails that stick up, severely tempt the hammer.”
Dear AGW folk,
I understand. You see the world and society being destroyed and you want a solution, any solution. But don’t be hasty! Any hasty solution is likely to be a mistake. Ludvig von Mises, Murray N. Rothbard and other economists of the Austrian school pinpointed a major root of the evil today.
It is government backed fractional reserve banking. This is the destructive enabler of fear, greed, waste and destruction. It is based on systematic fraud and theft of purchasing from the poor among others. It directly led to the Great Depression as Ben Bernanke admitted. That in turn led to World War II and 50 – 80 million men, women, children and babies killed.
So, attack the root and the branches will wither.
best wishes,
B2B

As I’ve mentioned before, the clean air acts have reduced early morning smoke and particulate pollution artificially increasing minimum temperatures and average temperatures (calculated as the average of the minimum and maximum temperatures).
Therefore, maximum temperatures are a (much) better indicator of current climate trends, and the high number of record low maximum temperatures does indicate the climate is cooling.
I maintain record high versus record low temperature counts is a better indicator of climate trends than averages, because the many site and local effects influnces temperatures – UHI and the smoke and particulate pollution effect, etc – have less effect on records.
I’ve been hoping someone would produce a running count of record highs versus record lows for various time periods expressed as +ve or -ve number, but maybe I’ll try and do it myself.

Icarus;
“This is what we would expect to see – natural short term fluctuations superimposed on the current long term global warming trend of 0.2°C per decade.”
What short term fluctuation are you referring to? Global temperatures have not risen for 11 years.
What long term warming trend are you referring to? From a millenium perspective there is no trend at all – only a cycling from the medieval warm period into the little ice age and out again. On a multi-millenium time scale the trend is one of decreasing maximums, which as any technical analyst will tell you, is the classic definition of a down trend.

The warmists congress and President have not acknowledged the reality of the map. Cap and tax, power and greed. Forget the map it is hot on Venus anybody knows that, now where is my money.

I try to encouage my friends to play with NOAA’s “Climate at a Glance” website because its interactive nature allows one to ‘see for themselves’. They can see that the the contigous US has been increasing at the rate of 1.2 degrees per century since 1895 and that temps have been declining at the rate of seven 7 degrees per century since 1998. I point out that at this rate the US will be at 1895 temps in 15 years. With 20 more years of the cool phase of the PDO likely I think this is a safe bet. I realize the US is but a small part of the globe but it is something my friends can get their minds around.
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

1969,and 71-72 were weak/moderate El Nino years and those were very nasty
winters.Think PDO shift-colder….
’75 was a humdinger too-fell into the Yakima valley in a Piper Chieftain ice sculpture
when I was a green Co-Pilot on a Commuter Airline..
On that subject OT-I can see more Icing-related problems as the climate cools.
It will be something to watch…

Henry chance (06:03:10) :
“Obama can only campaign in Copenhagen. He knows of no cap and tirade legislation.
His line at MIT “the system we have now keeps us from creating new jobs” is an ignorant line. Actually the system we have now continues jobs he want to ruin.
Ed Scott (10:06:25) :
Off topic.
Trouble in Utopia.
President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece”
Ed, Henry, I don’t think so.
This is tactics.
If Copenhagen is signed and Obama is the man who did it, he will get a lot more opposition.
If Copenhagen is not signed despite his “leadership” he will be smoked by the UN and all the hard working participant and at home.
If he keeps a low profile, he can state that Copenhagen has been negotiated by a BI PARTISAN expert team and state we simply have to execute what the “experts” have negotiated.
He can push for an approach in stages and grab the microphone as soon as the home front is wrapped up in a deal and claim victory without running any risks.
This strategy will be favorable for all scenario’s and for the future as well.
If riots break out in the USA, Obama can say “I can’t help it, we are simply executing directives which are out of our control”.
And if the scam crashes he still has an escape by denying any direct responsibility because he did not take the lead in Copenhagen.
This President has stopped risking his precious image. (think Olympics)
From now on he will operate on the safe side of the equations and others will have to do the dirty work.
He is going to be the first World Leader you know.
He is already running warm for the job.
The only thing he has to do is to organize “Whole Sale America” and shut the door when he leaves.
Mission completed.
Do you follow?

Vincent (08:53:52) : Icarus; What short term fluctuation are you referring to?
Interannual stochastic variations. Heatwaves, cold spells, cool summers, warm winters and so on will always happen regardless of long term trends, just because the climate is to some extent a chaotic system.
Global temperatures have not risen for 11 years.
If you look at short term fluctuations in global temperatures, they are typically around 0.2°C from year to year. The observed long term trend due to climate forcings is about 0.2°C per decade. So, it’s obvious to everyone that you’re going to need substantially more than 10 years of data to see the long term trend distinguished from the ‘noise’ of interannual variation. 11 years is barely one solar cycle, and other factors in the climate such as ocean cycles operate over longer periods than that. This is why most studies of global climate prefer 30 years of data in order to have reasonable confidence in their conclusions. However, even if we look at only 15 years of data, the long-term warming trend of 0.2°C per decade is very clear and is the same as we’ve been seeing for several decades (since about the mid-70s) –
https://sites.google.com/site/europa62/climatechange/15ytt2008
What long term warming trend are you referring to?
The warming due to human activities which has become very clear during the last half century or so.
From a millenium perspective there is no trend at all – only a cycling from the medieval warm period into the little ice age and out again.
We have only had the capacity to substantially affect the global climate in, say, the last hundred years, so there is no point in looking for the anthropogenic global warming trend on a timescale of thousands of years.
On a multi-millenium time scale the trend is one of decreasing maximums, which as any technical analyst will tell you, is the classic definition of a down trend.
All the natural forcings tell us that we should be in a downward trend, albeit a slow one, which is strong evidence that the upward trend we actually observe is due to human activities.

Is Miami under water yet?

Lots of early season snow and cold in Breckenridge, Colorado. Breckenridge ski area will open Nov. 12 and the base should be fantastic for so early. The upper mountain has the most snow I’ve seen this early on. It’s been snowing consistently since Sept. 21 and staying cold so what we’ve received hasn’t melted. Snow is in the forecast for the next week, at least. Wolf Creek, CO ski area opens on Halloween Day and Keystone opens Nov. 6. But, but, but, I thought with global warming ski areas would be opening later and later by now with less and less snow….
Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroproxy/

oh look, Icarus the troll is back
http://www.thelocal.de/images/gallery/341/3014.500.332.jpg
A troll in the snow–perfect!

Ron de Haan (11:34:23)
The Investors Business Daily has an assessment of the Copenhagen gathering. Signing the treaty would be a losing proposition and, following the Olympic defeat, would be bad for the self-esteem of the campaigner-in-chief.
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China, India Cancel Out Copenhagen
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=510152
They’re basically saying no to anything that forces them to impose mandatory limits on their output of greenhouse gas emissions. Other developing nations, including Mexico, Brazil and South Africa, will likely reject any proposals as well.
The deal was already in trouble. Three weeks ago, the Group of 77 developing nations met in Thailand to discuss what they wanted to do about global warming. Their answer: nothing.

It’s just about official here at 41.9N, -88.7W. As of the end of September, the 2009 Cooling Degree Days(CDD) are 421 compared to 452 during the cold 1992 Summer after Pinatubo. 30+ year average here is 840. I’m pretty sure we have not logged a single CDD during this cold October thus far. A very cool Summer = no air conditioning! There’s no body of water nearby either.

Meh. It was 30 to 40 degrees above normal in the Northeast Jan 06 2007, Watts didn’t say a thing.
Has everyone suddenly forgotten that weather changes?

Weather is propagandra on both sides. The scientists know this. Climate is at least 30 years. Stick to climate, please.

Has anybody compared Hansen’s temperature numbers with numbers reported by weather forecasters? Are the same readings being used, or do forecasters collect their own readings? Since there are much crossover in reporting, and accuracy is a measure of superiority, there would be fewer problems with poor scientific practices. It would seem that forecasters would have more peer review, by the public.
There must be some way to aggregate the reported values over the last few decades and compare those with the numbers that IPCC is using. The reported numbers should not be difficult to get, but possibly hard to process into a database that is cross compatible.

Ron de Haan (14:47:04) :
1. “The warming due to human activities which has become very clear during the last half century or so”.
2. “All the natural forcings tell us that we should be in a downward trend, albeit a slow one, which is strong evidence that the upward trend we actually observe is due to human activities”.
Icarus, please explain with solid evidence:
Point 1 and Point 2
Human activities contribute a net radiative forcing of around 1.6W/m² –
http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/syr/fig2-4.jpg
This is consistent with the observed warming of the last half century, which natural factors alone cannot account for –
http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/syr/fig2-5.jpg
The attribution of this warming largely to anthropogenic greenhouse gases is also supported by the observation of tropospheric warming with stratospheric cooling –
http://www.atmosphere.mpg.de/media/archive/1460.jpg
Increasing greenhouse gases from human sources are reducing atmospheric IR transmissivity, thereby warming the surface and troposphere, and cooling the stratosphere.

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Gene Nemetz (13:56:22) :
bushy (03:28:58) :
Those few high records slap bang in the middle of the cold ones need looking at.
Are you talking about the two in Virginia and the one in West Virginia?
I would agree with you about those!
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I’m near those spots, and I believe it. Yes, most of the past 2 wks were unusually (record) cold, but a few days were briefly very warm & pleasant, other than the swarms of ladybugs clustering on the house trying to get in — many thousands of ’em.

Icarus,
The IPCC has no credibility anymore with Briffa and Mann refuted.

Icarus (18:52:08) :
you are correct they have been destroyed beyond any repair

Icarus (18:52:08) :
Neither Briffa nor Mann have been ‘refuted’.
Wow, what weird parallel do you live in??

John Peter (01:18:41) :
President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen as per The Times UK:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece
Maybe he has seen temperature records such as this one? Looks like Copenhagen will result in a failure to agree a comprehensive CO2 reduction treaty. It would appear to me that countries such as China and India are not convinced that CO2 is the only or even main driver of global warming when it actually takes place in amongst periods of cooling and, therefore, will not agree to mandatory CO2 reductions for their countries. President Obama seems to have got that message. Instead he is going to Oslo 10 Dec. to deliver one of his hallmark speeches.
This is political. As the US president presents a capitulating and weak front, more and more sovereign nations will assert themselves. To wit, both china and India are playing the political stage, and are announcing that the US (and EU, but the EU is a complete ineffectual mass of blowhards) has no power to do anything. In essence, China and India are saying ‘eff you’.
This is a bizarre notion: that somehow if *all* countries can get together and do something, then it will be done. Why cannot individual nations take these steps? What is preventing the UK, for example, or any other European country from reducing their ‘carbon pollution’? Why do such agreements require everyone to sign? Quite simply, this a political and economic package and has nothing to do with ‘climate’. That is, how can money be transferred from one nation to another, and – more importantly – how many entities can be placed in the flow to filter funds to personal political projects. If certain nations don’t play ball, then of course it’s ‘doomed to failure’.