Surfacestations update – help needed for the final stretch

I’m pleased to announce that after a quality control review of all stations surveyed so far we are now at the 80.4% mark. 982 stations out of 1221 of the USHCN network have been surveyed. 239 stations remain to be surveyed.

USHCN Surface Stations remaining to be surveyed - click for larger image
USHCN Surface Stations remaining to be surveyed - click for larger image

A Google Earth KML file has also been created to help volunteers assist us in surveying these remaining stations to the best of our ability. I don’t expect to get all of them, but we should be able to easily exceed the 1000 station mark and perhaps reach 90% before the end of summer.

You can download the Google Earth KML file which was used to make the map above, get it -click here.  [Note,  if using Internet Explorer, right mouse click and choose “Save Target As..”  ~ charles the moderator] It is very helpful in locating stations. Google Earth is a free download here.

For those who don’t have Google Earth capability, get it – click here, is the list of stations remaining that you can view in your browser. Both files are useful in different ways, so I suggest getting both.

Our goal is to find the few remaining “best” CRN1 and CRN2 stations. So far there have been very few of these “best” stations, 92 so far, making up only 10% of the network. The majority of those also happen to be ASOS stations at airports, and as we have seen from the MIC in Hawaii’s WSFO, ASOS stations have not been deemed suitable for climate monitoring, since they are placed for aviation purposes.

Here are the percentage breakdowns so far, plus a nice bar chart by Gary Boden showing the states that have been completed and those that need the most attention:

sufacestations surveyed by state
Click for a larger image
Number Percent
CRN=1 16 2%
CRN=2 76 8%
CRN=3 205 21%
CRN=4 598 61%
CRN=5 78 8%

sufacestations percentages pie

We have identified 45 closed stations, some of which have been able to be rated because the observer remained and could show us where the thermometer was placed, or we were able to find aerial photos or maps from NWS b44 forms that showed the location.

Iowa, Maryland, Missouri, Kentucky, and Virginia are the states with the least coverage. If you live in one of these, please consider trying to survey a station or two. Details on how to survey stations can be found at

Quality control checks performed:

Volunteers and I have been busy in the past couple of weeks adding some stations from recent surveys as well as doing a comprehensive QC on the applications  of ratings and the veracity of the station surveys.

Some stations that were surveyed were misidentified by volunteers, and thus have been removed and put back on the “available” list in the KML file above.

Some stations surveyed by aerial views only were misidentified, and this was made clear when when we went through QC reviews. We fixed those also, some were then correctly identified and rated, others went back on the “available” list.

I’m pretty happy about where we are now and what has been achieved. Finding the remaining best stations is the next goal. I’ll have more on that soon with some good candidates.

There will be another important post tomorrow or the next day on a related subject that needs addressing, stay tuned.

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June 22, 2009 12:03 am

This news just in:
Apparently the goal of Greenpeace is to “beat climate change”. The person quoted is allegedly a scientist? And they call realists deluded?
Isn’t boarding and taking over a ship an act of piracy?

June 22, 2009 12:38 am

Anthony, I had trouble with all these links: Above, the kml file “here” link produces a page of html code, the surveyed already map on surfacestations. org produces a WordPress “Not Found” and the Google Earth “Download here” link goes to a page “security violation”.
REPLY: Try right click and “save target as”

Dodgy Geezer
June 22, 2009 12:43 am

“Isn’t boarding and taking over a ship an act of piracy?”
Um…yes, but you don’t get punished for it. Hansen jets over from the US, gives evidence that the ship was going to kill lots of tiny fluffy kittens, and with one bound you are free, while the evil ship owners and power station workers twirl their moustaches impotently in the background….

June 22, 2009 12:50 am

Anthony, That worked for the link above, but not for the two mentions on surfacestations site. Thanks. I’m interested in the AZ stations.
REPLY: The links are correct, whatever problem is local to your machine – Anthony

June 22, 2009 1:07 am

i would be interested to see a google earth link (if it exists). of all the surface stations the ones found to date. i am interested in seeing where they are..
any chance of putting the link on a side bar.. if it is there i apologise.. but cant find it

June 22, 2009 1:09 am

correction it is on the surface stations site.. i apologise, but a current link would be useful..

Brian Johnson
June 22, 2009 2:44 am

I got snipped for getting angry about the UK Met Office and our Chief Scientific Officer. Fair enough, ranting does not enhance this superb site, however I have self snipped my feelings about Greenpeace protestors and
Kings Norton power station……..

June 22, 2009 3:54 am

This might seem a daft question, but has anybody tried contacting the people who run these stations to see if they would take and submit photos themselves?
[REPLY – Not at all. In fact, we have obtained a number of them that way. ~ Evan]

June 22, 2009 4:47 am

More O/T? Record low high temps for Arizona?
I take it these records are being set using flawed stations. Might the low temps be even lower than stated in this article? I cant help but sense the “The Cat is out of the bag” aspect of this story.

Don Shaw
June 22, 2009 5:03 am

I will see if I can find one of the remaining NJ sites. No guarantees since I don’t live near the sites, but I’ll look into it and get back to you.
What e-mail address should we use to send you pictures if I get anything ?

Scott Finegan
June 22, 2009 5:21 am

Clicking on this link gives a security violation. I reported it to you months ago.
The .xls file disappeared some time ago also.
Google Earth Station Rating Map with links to images now available – download here Date: 02/05/09
Sincere thanks to Gary Boden and Barry Wise for this contribution!
REPLY: There’s a reason. I haven’t edited the main page yet with current updates, probably tonight. – Anthony

Jeff Larson
June 22, 2009 5:25 am

I will be going through Pennington Gap, VA on July 9/10. How can I get more info on where the site is located?

June 22, 2009 5:31 am

I will get Goldsboro NC next week on my way to the beach.
By the way, you listed Rocky Mount, VA as a remaining site – it was surveyed a few months ago!
Several sites are listed in SC. If they are still un-surveyed by fall, I will do a swing thru SC and see how many I can get.
REPLY: Goldsboro is on the Air Force Base. Doubtful that you’ll get in without some previous arrangement. – Anthony

June 22, 2009 5:32 am

OT but urgent!
The Wong-Fielding Meeting On Global Warming

June 22, 2009 5:36 am

There is a what looks like a Stephenson’s Screen at the Mississquoi National Wildlife Refuge in Swanton, VT, but I don’t see it on any list. Do they just disappear off the records? I drive by it a couple times a week and would be happy to survey it if I thought it would accomplish anything.

June 22, 2009 5:50 am

Since I’ll be in Tennessee at some point this summer…maybe I’ll stop by a few of those stations!

L Nettles
June 22, 2009 5:52 am

Anthony, How do you want to account for stations that are no longer active? Kingstree SC and Georgetown, SC would fall into that category.
REPLY: We’ll mark them in the database as such. No worries unless you think you can figure out enough info on previous placement to allow us to make a rating- Anthony

June 22, 2009 5:59 am

OT. Re: greanpeace boarding a ship, somewhere I read that greens were too yellow to admit they are red. I laughed, silly me.

June 22, 2009 6:09 am

what towns are the 3 in southeastern Idaho in? I’m going to be running in that area all summer and fall.

Chris D.
June 22, 2009 6:20 am

Georgetown, SC was closed several years ago. I managed to get into the nature preserve where it was located (appt only), but nobody could quite remember exactly where it was sited and it moved once or twice. I was able to photograph the general sites, but that isn’t much help which is why I never posted it. Clemson and USC have ongoing research in that area and got a tour by one of the professors – fascinating stuff but, alas, no definitive survey. I recommend crossing that one off. I’ll see what I can do for some of the remaining ones in the area as I have more time now.

John W.
June 22, 2009 6:22 am

“There will be another important post tomorrow or the next day on a related subject that needs addressing, stay tuned.”
Will it, by any chance, have to do with the “missing” stations? And would it be reasonable to assume that the “missing” stations are primarily in rural areas?
Do you plan an effort to try and track them down to add their data back into the climate data base?
Inquiring minds want to know. 8^)

June 22, 2009 6:46 am

I’ll take a look at where that one north of the Twin Cities in MN is. I should be able to get that for you.
And, maybe, the two near the SD/MN border.

June 22, 2009 6:49 am

paulID (06:09:32) :
“what towns are the 3 in southeastern Idaho in? I’m going to be running in that area all summer and fall.”
I think you are referring to Malad City and Lifton Pumping station, apparently in a rural location east of Malad City. Probably also to Border, although that is technically in Wyoming. I’ve been contemplating those sites myself as the terminus of a whole string of unsurveyed stations from Kanab, Utah, northward. (Looks to me like a good excuse to see some new country during vacation time.) At any rate, no use getting in each other’s way. Let me know of your progress.

Rick M
June 22, 2009 6:58 am

The Gavin Newsom piece is scary to say the least.
Looks like California is doomed to a fate worse than Global Climate Change/Warming. Government meddling will be the real catastrophe.

June 22, 2009 7:11 am

Przemysław Pawełczyk (05:32:57) :

OT but urgent!
The Wong-Fielding Meeting On Global Warming Original

Hopefully this tax on all consumption and job destroying piece of legislation will be burned in the senate,
This will force Rudd and Wong to go to the people on this issue alone. By then the opposition may be able to find a leader with some spine. Peter Costello is gone. 🙁

June 22, 2009 7:14 am

Is cycle 23 still alive? There are sunspots on the SH of the sun.

June 22, 2009 7:23 am

The blurb says “Earth’s atmosphere comprises many gases, collectively called Greenhouse gases”. As you know, many atmospheric gases are not GHGs – if the summary contains this sort of inaccuracy, what will the rest of the book be like?
Such inaccuracies are not helpful in the great global warming debate..Cormac

Tim G
June 22, 2009 7:23 am

Where is the KML file of stations that need surveying? Could someone post that link?
I think I live near some, I could go take pictures. But the site is too confusing for me to navigate.

It is in the article – Anthony

Tim G
June 22, 2009 7:30 am

Er, sorry, found it….

Tim G
June 22, 2009 7:35 am
June 22, 2009 7:50 am

I’m in NE Iowa not far from a number of the IA and southwest WI stations. Any other Hawkeyes reading this blog and wanting to make a field trip can contact me at (email or message is ok)

Don Shaw
June 22, 2009 7:56 am

I did a google earth looking for the Monmouth NJ site using the GPS coordinates. What I found is that the site is at the college/university at Monmouth in Long Branch. My cheapie googl earth put the equipment atop the Woodrow Wilson building. Does that sound right? I am going to call the university to confirm the above information.
Since I frequently pass within 10 miles of the college on the weekends, I will try to find the temperature measuring hardware and take some pictures if possible.
Don Shaw

Possible but may be near the building also. WAIT – I just checked NCDC MMS and it is closed 2007-01-05 – Anthony

Katie V
June 22, 2009 8:16 am

I’ll be passing near the Hart, MI station over the Independence Day weekend, so I may be able to snap some pics for the project. Are there particular items to take note of, or include in whatever I am able to collect on this station?
REPLY: We need at least 6 pictures of the station one from each compass point showing the thermometer in the foreground, plus two wider overall veiws showing proximity to buildings, asphalt etc. See for how to and examples. – Anthony

June 22, 2009 8:35 am

O/T You are probably aware of this new book but it’s getting a little publicity in the UK Telegraph;
Global Warming And Other ——–: The Truth About All Those Science Scare Stories, by Prof Stanley Feldman and Prof Vincent Marks

June 22, 2009 8:46 am

OT, but does anyone know if there has been any effort by the NIPCC to send it’s full report to congress and the president of the U.S.?

June 22, 2009 8:47 am

In Australia The NIPCC report has been cited and is now known by their leaders.

June 22, 2009 8:54 am

Another weather isn’t climate story. Arizona has longest string of consecutive June days below 100 since 1913.

June 22, 2009 9:00 am

I can get the last 5 listed for Ohio in the next few weeks. If I continue to be out of work, can try for some of those along the Ky-Wv border area as well.

June 22, 2009 9:38 am

Anthony-the coords listed for the Sciotoville, Ohio site would place it about 90 miles north, just south of Columbus. There is a WWTP near the coords listed. Can you check and see if the site is actually in Sciotoville or near South Bloomfield and Ashville, Ohio?

G Alston
June 22, 2009 9:40 am

I can help with a couple of the stations in northwest Iowa (the ones that appear to be outside the Sioux City area.) I don’t have google earth and won’t be able to run it. Could you please list the requirements in a suitable non-proprietary text format (e.g. lat/long for my GPS, etc) and I’ll indicate which ones I can get to… ?
I looked at the stuff, is that the current/only info? I’m pretty sure I can get Le Mars and probably Storm Lake unless you already have a volunteer already signed up to get these.

June 22, 2009 9:43 am

Had intended to go by the Gainesville, TX station in the database, but looks like it is not needed. I can probably do the Dublin and Brownwood stations in a day trip sometime soon.

June 22, 2009 10:23 am

I found I needed to “save as” the .xml file and then rename it to be .kml for google earth to like it.
I’ve also got some questions about the Minnesota sites shown, but sent the “info” email address at my query. It looks to me like one that is shown has already been surveyed, and two that aren’t shown still need to be surveyed.

Gary Boden
June 22, 2009 11:38 am

It’s been my experience that the coordinates may not be precisely at the equipment location. Sometimes it helps to check with the NCDC station locator at:
Find the station history link and click the map tab to show the several location the station may have been at. The current one should be blue.
Also, on the Google Earth .kml map, a click on the icon will pop up a balloon of information including a link back to the surfacestations database. If you see only air photos, the station was surveyed by internet. Ground photos are still needed.

Corky Boyd
June 22, 2009 12:46 pm

The link to Google Earth doen’t work for me.
All I get is a couple of thousand lines of code. I have tried it with Google Earth open (minimized) and closed. Have tried loading it in to the “fly to” box.
How do I make it work?

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 12:47 pm

I will be going through Pennington Gap, VA on July 9/10. How can I get more info on where the site is located?
Coordinates: 36.73806, -82.99667 are at the plant.
Northeast off route 421 to the north of the town of Woodway.
You may have to call ahead to arrange access. (Or you could sneak around the perimeter the way I did at Norwich last winter–I was lucky and managed to spot the MMTS.)
I see a speck that might possibly be it, just inside the fence, to the NW of the admin. building.

Corky Boyd
June 22, 2009 12:51 pm

My prior comment should read:
The link to the kml file doen’t work for me.
All I get is a couple of thousand lines of code. I have tried it with Google Earth open (minimized) and closed. Have tried loading it in to the “fly to” box.
How do I make it work?
Reply: I’m going to update the post. ~ charles the moderator

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 12:59 pm

Anthony-the coords listed for the Sciotoville, Ohio site would place it about 90 miles north, just south of Columbus. There is a WWTP near the coords listed. Can you check and see if the site is actually in Sciotoville or near South Bloomfield and Ashville, Ohio?
Updated coordinates are 38.75694, -82.88722, from MMS. Not precise, but better than the previous version.
There’s what looks like a water plant just to the WNW of the updated coordinates, off the south of route 52. Street-Level Google view is available; I thought I might have spotted it not far west of the admin building (at the eastern end of the plant). But I could not confirm it.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 1:01 pm

Had intended to go by the Gainesville, TX station in the database, but looks like it is not needed. I can probably do the Dublin and Brownwood stations in a day trip sometime soon.
I made a virtual survey, but we have no ground shots. Ground shots are better!
The given coordinates are pretty good in this case.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 1:09 pm

I can help with a couple of the stations in northwest Iowa
Rockwell City, Storm Lake, and Le Mars are open.
here’s what I have on them:
Rockwell City: 42.3969, -94.6291
Storm Lake: 42.6347, -95.1694
Le Mars: 42.7816 -96.1458

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 1:14 pm

There is a what looks like a Stephenson’s Screen at the Mississquoi National Wildlife Refuge in Swanton, VT, but I don’t see it on any list.
Only around one in five COOP stations are part of the USHCN network. It sounds as if you have one of the non-USHCN stations.

June 22, 2009 1:28 pm

So – over 75% now. What does it look like if you do an analysis using only the CRN 1,2 stations? How does the temp trend look compared to GISS, HadCRU, and the Satellite records? If you include or leave out the non-environment based corrections, such at tobs?
REPLY: All of that is being analyzed now. However, I’m not ready to release it here yet until I have finished a proper publication. – Anthony

Drew Latta
June 22, 2009 1:42 pm

Spot the hot temperature sensors on this growing degree day map:

June 22, 2009 2:06 pm

as far as I have followed debate about those station ratings here an over at Climate Audit, difference in trends between CR1 and CR4 and 5 station in USA was minuscule (I don’t know to what extent that was a result of adjustments). Wouldn’t be far more productive for exploring anthropogenic local warming effect on the final trend to try to collect data from, say, 100 or so rural stations all over USA (whatever their CR be), and compare their trend with overall reported trend or with that in urban stations? Is such a project underway?
REPLY: Yes such a project is well underway, and a publication will be written for the results and full data and methods disclosed so that it is reproducible. I’m not ready to publish it here, because the publication has not been completed. I reserve the right to publish first. – Anthony

Roger H
June 22, 2009 2:22 pm

Anthony, I will be passing thru Brownwood and Dublin Texas this next week-end and will be more than happy to check on these sites if you can provide me exact locations. I was unable to download the map you provided.
REPLY: Thank you. I’m baffled though. I just don’t understand how so many people can’t seem to get this Google Earth KML file to work.
You can download the Google Earth KML file which was used to make the map above, get it – click here.
Right click on the link, > “save as”> save file to disk.
Download Google Earth free, install it.
Double click on the file you downloaded, and voila you have your map. Zoom in and get directions.
Or click on the link for the station data file above
get it – click here
copy the lat/lon and put it into Google maps.
Then have it create directions for you. Note the description of the location in the data file like fire station, water plant etc to aid in locating in.

June 22, 2009 2:31 pm

evamjones, thanks.
If those Adirondack ones are still open later in the summer, when I get a free weekend, I can check ’em all out in a day. If someone else can get them before that, mores the better.

June 22, 2009 2:36 pm

“difference in trends between CR1 and CR4 and 5 station in USA was minuscule”
I am not sure I agree. The reported warming is not all that great to begin with. knock 15% of it off, figure that half is due to natural causes, and you have an anthropogenic warming of about .2C in a century. I am just using numbers to make a point, but you can see that this is not a useless excercise, even if the results, when they are completed, are not eye-popping.

June 22, 2009 3:33 pm

Hi Dr Watts,
I can cover the Chelsea, VT station later this week. Will wait for the surfacestations website to go online again, as I assume instructions about taking photos etc will be posted there.
REPLY: Yes they are, in the meantime see our online gallery at

Pamela Gray
June 22, 2009 3:40 pm

If my memory serves me, there are two reporting weather stations is Wallowa. One is at the old Service station and has not been moved. The other is at a private residence and has been moved once. The one at the forest service station may have had a name change. Here is information about a bill that was signed into law that transferred the property to the City.
(3) WALLOWA FOREST SERVICE COMPOUND- The term `Wallowa Forest Service Compound’ means the Wallowa Ranger Station that is–
(A) located at 602 West First Street, Wallowa, Oregon; and
(B) under the jurisdiction of the Secretary.
(b) Duty of Secretary- As soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act, subject to valid existing rights, the Secretary shall convey to the City, without consideration and by quitclaim deed, all right, title, and interest of the United States, except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), in and to the Wallowa Forest Service Compound.
(c) Use of Wallowa Forest Service Compound- As a condition of the conveyance under subsection (b), the City shall–
(1) use the Wallowa Forest Service Compound as an interpretive center;
(2) ensure that the Wallowa Forest Service Compound is managed by a nonprofit entity; and
(3) agree to manage the Wallowa Forest Service Compound–
(A) with due consideration and protection for the historic values of the Wallowa Forest Service Compound; and
(B) in accordance with such terms and conditions as are agreed to by the Secretary and the City.
(d) Reversion- In the quitclaim deed to the City, the Secretary shall provide that the Wallowa Forest Service Compound shall revert to the Secretary, at the election of the Secretary, if the Wallowa Forest Service Compound is–
(1) used for a purpose other than the purposes described in subsection (c)(1); or
(2) managed by the City in a manner that is inconsistent with subsection (c)(3).

June 22, 2009 3:42 pm

As I said above for those having problem making the file upstream work, what I found was that in IE8 that IE8 wanted to save the file as a .xml file, which I allowed it to do. I was not able to use it that way, however. But as soon as I renamed the file to a .kml file suffix it worked immediately. So take a look at the file you saved. If it is called Surfacestations_Unsurveyed_20090621.xml on your local harddrive, then rename it to .kml and you should be good. . .

June 22, 2009 5:27 pm

I didn’t run Google Earth, but I found a database on the site of all the stations, as well as the albums of various sites.
There are different numbers being reported in different part of the site as to how many stations are covered. Plus, there are 0s in the table under surveyed, but then they are in the album with a form filled out by Evan, but with only Google Earth overhead views, and a description of the location.
I assume that such sites still need to be photographed? I drove by one such location a few months ago, but had no idea it was there.
For some of these sites, you can also use Google street view to get another pic or two.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 6:31 pm

Yes, I did a number of virtual surveys (over 200). When the sensor was not clearly visible, I would call the curator and get a precise location of the site. Details are in the station survey form (and I started adding the vital info on the measurement views). I preserved my physical notes in case they become necessary for sourcing.
This gives us enough info to rate the station.
But, yes, photos are best, and we want them when we can get them, even if there is a virtual survey on line. (I’ll often put up a measurement view to supplement a photo because of that wonderful Google ruler feature.)
By the way, guys, PLEASE bring a tape measure along and if at all possible, measure how far the base of the sensor is from the nearest concrete, structures, etc. “About thirty feet” isn’t a lot of help when the borderline between a CRN3 and 4 is 10 meters. And please fill out them survey forms! If nothing else, put your measurements on the form.
This makes the work of rating the stations a heck of a lot easier.
We thank all the volunteers.

June 22, 2009 6:47 pm

I’ve got dibs on Portage Wisconsin and Watertown, Wisconsin. I’ll be running by them in early July.
Love your site Anthony! Keep up the good work.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 6:48 pm

If those Adirondack ones are still open later in the summer, when I get a free weekend, I can check ‘em all out in a day.
That would be really great. We may even get a couple of CRN2 stations out of it. There are so few good stations that we want to get as many as we possibly can (for statistical confidence purposes).

Eric Gamberg
June 22, 2009 6:49 pm

Crow Agency is closed.

Eric Gamberg
June 22, 2009 7:03 pm

“And please fill out them survey forms! If nothing else, put your measurements on the form.
This makes the work of rating the stations a heck of a lot easier.
My work would be alot easier if I were allowed to edit items previously submitted. As the “owner” of submissions according to the SS website, not being allowed to either edit or delete and resubmit edited info is a severe handicap to accuracy and certainly not in keeping with a “collaborative” and open volunteer effort.
These complaints go back many months if not a year at least.

You are certainly welcome to resubmit items by simply adding them again to the Gallery, and then dropping an email to me asking for the old one to be removed. That works quite well. And as I’ve explained some months ago, the software in its current form does not allow me to make permissions that handle this well. Version 3 of Gallery apparently provides for that. It is in late beta.
If you need some help please don’t hesitate to ask. Thanks for all the hard work you have put in – Anthony

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 7:08 pm

I feel your pain on that one. Many’s the time I have had to ask Anthony to delete stuff for me. But he’s afraid of an accidental mass deletion and he may be right about that.
BTW, folks, Eric is an untiring surveyor and has a huge number of surveys, all (or almost all) direct photos from the ground. We’re very grateful to him.
REPLY: Ditto that! – Anthony

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 7:11 pm

Now about them survey forms . . . #B^1

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 7:16 pm

Crow Agency is closed.
Yes. And around 70 remaining stations have no B-91forms on file for the last two years. Most of them are probably closed and removed. Some will no doubt still be there, either inactive, or active but no longer part of the US Historical Climate Network. We are anxious to get a shot of any station that was for any time part of USHCN.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 7:27 pm

43.5277, -89.4341
Plant is just NW of given coordinates, on Route 51, NE side.
43.1741 -88.7363
Coordinates are right in the middle of the plant. Southern end of Hoffman Drive. Nice Google Earth street-level view of the entrance, but I can’t spot the MMTS.
As these are WWTPs, they’re fenced off. So unless you want to skulk around the perimeter in the hopes of getting lucky be sure to go on a weekday during business hours (before 4:00 PM).

June 22, 2009 8:51 pm

Thanks for the info and tip about the Wis sites.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 10:02 pm

Not at all.
If anyone has any questions, I’ll try to answer.

C Shannon
June 22, 2009 10:09 pm

Quick question: Is it acceptable to hot link these images on another forum? I’m hoping to stir up some support if possible.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 10:13 pm

I assume instructions about taking photos etc will be posted there.
From my notes:
The station has to be in the foreground, the top of the station and the ground should be visible in the entire shot. A good distance to photograph from is 20-25 feet.
Get at least 6 shots, 4 compass, plus two overall shots. The overall shots should show the character of the placement. ie. the setting.
No penalty for taking extra shots, liberal use of the camera is encouraged….

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 10:24 pm

I can probably do the Dublin and Brownwood stations in a day trip sometime soon.
You’ll need some help:
Dublin, TX: 32.10000, -98.33333
Those coordinates are ‘WAY off. (Anything ending in “000” or “3333” or “6667” is bound to be a crude estimate.)
Station should be located at: 1350 County Road 320, RR 1, Dublin, TX 76446.
Brownwood, TX: 31.68333, -98.96667
Like I say, crude. I believe that station is located at 1511 Indian Creek Dr., Brownwood, TX 76801.
B-91 forms on both are relatively up to date.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 22, 2009 10:37 pm

I’ve been contemplating those sites myself as the terminus of a whole string of unsurveyed stations from Kanab, Utah, northward.
We have Kanab, courtesy of David Anderson.
Be sure to check the gallery when planning, just in case.

David Ermer
June 22, 2009 10:50 pm

We are headed to Glacier National Park the second week of July. Looks like the Haugan and Fortine Montana stations are on our way to or near. Will plan on making the side trips to pick them up unless someone else gets there first.

June 23, 2009 7:26 am

No stations in Alaska?
REPLY: There are, but we didn’t figure it was practical due tot he short summer season and great distances involved. Can you help?

June 23, 2009 8:03 am

If the stations are nearish to a road that finds its way to the Anchorage area, then I might be able to.
REPLY: After posting the story about what may become the coolest summer on record in Anchorage, AK, I got to wondering where they might measure the temperature in Anchorage.
The station that appears to have the longest record is the Anchorage airport, Hansen uses it in GISTEMP. There also appears to be one at the NWS office there. How about those? Let me know and I’ll locate them for you.
– Anthony

June 23, 2009 8:12 am

According to Anthony, Mora, MN and Grand Meadow, MN do indeed require a ground survey, so I’ll do those in the next few weeks unless someone beats me to them. Hallock, MN (which is a bit too far for me up by Canada/North Dakota borders) is not on the google map either, but the survey page doesn’t show it as completed.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 8:26 am

I did a complete virtual survey on Hallock. If you do the ground survey, go to where I indicate on the map, not to the curator’s residence. I spoke with him and he gave me the location.
I also did the survey on Grand Meadow (also a curator interview). It’s to the east of an unheated garage, as indicated.
We have nothing on Mora, and we could really use a survey of that one.

June 23, 2009 10:33 am

I did a quick drive through at the College Park,Md site coop id 181995 and it wasn’t at the coordinates. Also I looked it up at on the NCDC MMS and it closed 1996-04-01.

G Alston
June 23, 2009 12:06 pm

Rockwell City: 42.3969, -94.6291
Storm Lake: 42.6347, -95.1694
Le Mars: 42.7816 -96.1458

I’ll stop by within the next couple of weeks; I have a meeting in Sioux City and at least Le Mars is on the road to it.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 12:09 pm

A whole bunch of the Maryland stations are now closed.

June 23, 2009 12:29 pm

evanmjones– I would have done Mora for you months ago if I realized it was needed. The survey list page lists it as surveyed, and that’s what I was using to determine if anything around me was open (Anthony explained the oops that didn’t get corrected). Hallock does not show as surveyed on the master list. Apparently you guys have moved more to using the galleries as the master list rather than the master list. . .
Any rate, I’ll get Mora and Grand Meadow.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 1:21 pm

What I think happened was that there was once a survey for Mora but it turned out to be the wrong station so it was taken down. (Best as I can recall, anyway.)
Grand Meadow, like Hallock, has a virtual survey. Ground photos are best, though, so don’t let that stop you. Go to the gallery and you can get the precise location (also, the survey form should have exact coordinates).

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 1:30 pm

For some of these sites, you can also use Google street view to get another pic or two.
Yes. Anthony, Gary, and I went through all the unsurveyed stations with a fine-toothed comb looking for those. We got quite a number of them and were able to do surveys on them.
But you have to be careful, sometimes a blurry bird feeder looks a lot like an MMTS!
GE is in a continual state of update, though, so I go through them every now and then looking for clearer images and street-level views.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 2:17 pm

GA: You will find La Mars, IA, station at 989 14th Ave SE, Le Mars, IA 51031
If you want to visit a station I often (but not always) have the means to determine an exact address. So post what you want to survey and I will see what I can do.
I can’t help with Storm lake, unfortunately.

G Alston
June 23, 2009 2:55 pm

evanmjones — I can’t help with Storm lake, unfortunately.
OK, got that one recorded and will hit LeMars on the way as promised. Re the station at Storm Lake I’ll poke about and see what I can do. Any instructions or addresses for Rockwell City?

June 23, 2009 3:29 pm

Has anyone expressed any interest in that cluster of five sites (six if you count a ground survey of Hallock) in the Canada/North Dakota/Minnesota borders? If Mora and Grand Meadow go well (my first tries), I would consider an overnighter to get those if it seems likely no one else is going to step up for them this summer. I’ve never vistied that part of Minnesota, so it would be an adventure as well. Telling the wife that Don Quixote is strapping on the armor again will be the amusing part. “You’re going away for the weekend to do. . .what?”

June 23, 2009 7:12 pm

do you need any more in eastern idaho? i don’t see too many there…

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 7:39 pm

Sorry, nothing on Rockwell city other than it’s a private residence and the given coordinates are 42.3969, -94.6291.
FWIW, the coordinates are on Lake St., but they could be off.

June 23, 2009 9:01 pm

Hmm, there is a group of five or so (maybe) in my reach in Ohio. Cinci/Dayton area is where I am. I can’t use Google Earth on my machine. It is old, and I want to baby it a little further before I have to do the Old Yeller thing to it. :'( So, I would need addresses, but if you can cough those up, I’ll see what I can do for you.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 23, 2009 9:35 pm

Well, let’s see . . . do you got a GPS or will you be renting a car with one?

June 23, 2009 9:39 pm

evanmjones (22:37:51) :
<I’ve been contemplating those sites myself as the terminus of a whole string of <unsurveyed stations from Kanab, Utah, northward.
<We have Kanab, courtesy of David Anderson.
<Be sure to check the gallery when planning, just in case.
Got it. I count 12 more open stations up to the Idaho border. Any way to contact David Anderson (or anyone else who might be working on it) to coordinate our efforts?

June 23, 2009 10:23 pm

If you will let me know where to find the forms and any other info that would be helpful for you I will try to find the station at Rocky Mount, VA; not the world’s best photographer, but I have a GPS and I reckon I can manage a tape measure. If that works out, there are other VA stations within driving distance I can get to.

June 24, 2009 10:06 am

No, no GPS. Do you have addresses? If not, I will see what I can do about a GPS, well I will anyway.

June 24, 2009 10:52 am

@mikeinappalachia and Anthony
My hubby and I will be in the Millersburg, Ohio area in August and would enjoy grabbing photos and measurements from that site.
USHCN number 335297 Millersburg, Ohio

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 24, 2009 12:13 pm

Hmm. That’s a WWTP. Coordinates are very crude.

The sewage treatment plant is to the south of town, on the southern side of Route 83. That may or may not be where the station is located.
Coordinates are 40.5095, -81.9141
HQ is in the middle of town on S. Clay St. (south of Jackson St.).
There’s also a suspicious-looking spot just west of town on Rt. 39 (noth side), just across the river, that has what looks like a big square green pool. That’s another possibility.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 24, 2009 5:08 pm

No, no GPS. Do you have addresses? If not, I will see what I can do about a GPS, well I will anyway.
DELAWARE, OH: No B-91 forms since 2001.
These are at residences, but I can’t get the addresses.
These are all WWTPs. I think I posted all the locations, except for Waverly.
Corrdinates for Waverly (39.11139, -82.97972) are accurate for that one. It’s on the very south end of town on Route 220, on the eastern side of the highway.

June 25, 2009 5:25 am

Do you have a template of that survey form you can point at? .doc .rtf .xls or something like that?
The wife has given me permission to go on walkabout this weekend. I’ve got a Garmin Nuvi 650 GPS with the 2010 North America map.
I’m thinking Mora, MN (about 1.5 hrs north) on Friday evening (before dark, of course), and stay overnight somewhere in north central MN. Then Baudette, Roseau, Hallock (MN) and Pembina, ND on Saturday. Then on Sunday, Grand Forks University and Hillsboro, ND on the way home.
I’ll also have my laptop with the google earth .kml saved on it, but no live internet (other than evenings).
Any advice?

June 25, 2009 9:04 am

I live just a half hour from the Anchorage airport, and go there at least several times a month.
BTW — here in Anchorage, there has been a nearly uninterrupted run of daily highs below historical averages since roughly Sep 2007.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 9:55 am

Virtual survey for Hallock:
For Grand Meadow:
Coordinates are on the maps and in the survey forms. If you meet ’em, give ’em my regards.
Baudette is unsurveyed:
Given coordinates are: 48.7094, -94.5869. What looks like the plant is a block east of the coordinates on the Southeast (not NE) edge of town (6 Ave. E). But there hasn’t been a B-91 filed since Aug. 2007, so it may not be there. Perhaps contacting City Hall for the number and calling ahead would be wise.
For Roseau, also unsurveyed, we have:
Given coordinates are: 48.84861, -95.76750 east of Route 89 between 3rd St. NW and 4th St. NE. But those coordinates could be off. Also, no B-91 forms on file since Mar. 2007. I suggest calling ahead.
Mora. Unsurveyed:
Updated coordinates: 45.8775, -93.3148 appear accurate, on a cutoff south from W. Maple Ave. c. two thirds of a mile east of Jade St.
MMS indicates station is current.
Pembina. Unsurveyed.
Coordinates 48.97110, -97.24160 appear to be accurate. NE corner of town.
B-91s current.
Grank Forks. Unsurveyed:
47.92167 -97.09806, SE corner of University Ave. and N 48th St. (Coordinates may or may not be correct.) No B-91s since Sept. 2006.
Hillsboro. Unsurveyed:
Old Coordinates extremely crude: 47.4000, -97.0667
New coordinates are: 47.4389, -97.0664, which is an isolated, big industrial complex (that actually looks a lot like a wastewater treatment plant from above–at least there are what look like typical WWTP features, pools, tanks, etc.) on the east side of Route 200 about a mile and a half north of town.
MMS lists it as current.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 9:59 am

Remember, if it’s a business or a municipal site, go there during business hours, before 4:00 PM. (Also, some of these outfits may have cut back to 4-day weeks.) They are bound to be fenced off.
If the site is no longer there, but you can manage to get an–exact–confirmed former location, we can use that. (And note on the form who confirmed it.)

June 25, 2009 11:30 am

Thanks, Evan. I’m thinking of taking a Little Giant ladder with me. Not to climb over any fences (I wouldn’t), but possibly to get me high enough above one to take a picture without the fence screwing up the photo. It’s going to be the weekend, so unless there’s a guard to sweet-talk what I find is likely to be what I find. I will not trespass, no worries about that. Tho I will make a couple calls tomorrow. I’ve got two 5mp cameras, one with 3x optical zoom and one with 5x optical zoom.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 11:41 am

I see I never properly located MILLERSBURG, OH.
Given coordinates are lousy, but I espy the WWTP just 0.13 miles south of town to the west off Route 63, cutoff is just north of the mondo sludge pit.
If I gave any other directions previously, PLEASE IGNORE THEM.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 11:49 am

Well, you can go around the perimeter and sometimes spot it (I got lucky at Norwich). Keep an eye peeled for the rain gauge; it can be a tipoff. Try and get as many different angles as you can.

June 25, 2009 11:57 am

Ahh, note to self! 10-30x adjustable zoom binocs go with too!

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 12:41 pm

Good idea.
As for me, I can’t look out a train window without trying to spot the MMTS . . .

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 12:51 pm

I missed one:
Coordinates crude but not too far off.
On State Route 502 (Winchester Ave.), north side, 0.6 miles west of town.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 25, 2009 2:31 pm

Coordinates: 36.9769, -79.8961 seem fairly accurate (maybe a little too far south).
What appears to be the radio station is on Glenwood Dr., second building to the east, less than a tenth of a mile south from Brookshire Dr.

June 26, 2009 9:09 pm

Good evening from Bemidji, MN.
Took pictures looking south and east at Mora today. The plant was closed and I was outside the fence, so that was the best I could do. Easy to spot at least. Still pretty good shots I think. Old Stevenson screen between the MMTS and the rain gauge. If I can figure out how to upload them tonight (first time), I will.
Baudette in the morning, hopefully.
REPLY: Thanks so much! – Anthony

June 27, 2009 4:21 pm

Greetings from Grand Forks, ND, where the NWS got a giggle by ordering up a downpour and lightning while I took pictures behind their building. 🙂
Y’all will have to tell me what I saw at Pembina and NWS. I was prepared for MMTS, Stevenson screens and rain gauges. This was, uhh, a solar-powered milk can. Anthony probably has one behind his garage.
Got Baudette (in front of Police Dept building in the general vacinity), Hallock (big gorgeous lawn. . .and there it was up close to the building and shaded against the afternoon sun –only sunny pics I got today). Pembina, and Grand Forks today. Hillsboro tomorrow, hopefully.
Roseau was no joy, as Evan warned might be the case. But I have some pics and a story that may or may not be worth something. Back later after I eat and upload my pics.
I will do survey forms when I get back home.

June 27, 2009 8:28 pm

Okay, Baudette, Hallock, Pembina, and Grand Forks uploaded to gallery.
Now, my Roseau story. Evan suspected the site was gone. I got there, looked around, couldn’t find it, not even the radio station. Finally went across the street to the Holiday gas station/conveinence store. Showed the clerk my inkjet prints of a MMTS, Stevenson screen, and standard rain gauge. No recognition. Then I mentioned the radio station. Ah ha! Yes, the radio station moved two years ago. It is now two blocks north and three blocks west. But the building on the corner was where it used to be.
So I went back to that building. It was in three connected parts. Easternmost part now has a Culligan sign on it and looking in the windows they are storing Culligan supplies there. Middle part has a “space for rent” sign on the window. Westernmost part is an attached garage that I didn’t look in the window. Should have I guess. More interesting, adjacent to the garage on the west was a fenced in on two sides (but open to the front) grassy area. In that grassy area was the remanants of a concrete stand with rusted bolts in it. My imagination tells me that could be a rain gauge stand. Tho I suppose rain gauges aren’t the only things you put on concrete stands near garages.
Anyway, I have photos of that site if you want me to upload them. Then I went to the new site of the radio station, but no one was there. I have pictures around there too, but there’s no suitable spot for a climate station. Unless it is on the roof. I saw some dishes up there, but couldn’t see well enough to say if a climate station might be up there or not. I suppose we could call the radio station and see if we can get them to confirm the old site and if the MMTS was adjacent to the concrete stand I found. Let me know if you want the potential “old site” pics uploaded.
REPLY: In my experience, rain gauges aren’t often with the MMTS, the rain gauges can be placed anywhere for best wind considerations, but the MMTS has cable trenching issues. I’ll do some research and advise. Thanks for your efforts! – Anthony

June 27, 2009 10:43 pm

The station that appears to have the longest record is the Anchorage airport, Hansen uses it in GISTEMP. There also appears to be one at the NWS office there. How about those? Let me know and I’ll locate them for you.
– Anthony

Send me an email — I’ll be more than happy check them out.
Also, in a couple weeks I’ll be in Palmer and Valdez. Are there stations in those places also?

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 27, 2009 11:50 pm

Y’all will have to tell me what I saw at Pembina and NWS. I was prepared for MMTS, Stevenson screens and rain gauges. This was, uhh, a solar-powered milk can.
That would be a Fischer Porter Rain Gauge.

June 28, 2009 6:11 am

Rain gauge, eh? So there was a MMTS somewhere at Pembina and I missed it? Bugger.

June 28, 2009 7:11 am

“Y’all will have to tell me what I saw at Pembina and NWS. I was prepared for MMTS, Stevenson screens and rain gauges. This was, uhh, a solar-powered milk can.”
“That would be a Fischer Porter Rain Gauge.”
I find this resource useful in understanding what I’m looking at:
John the Slow Learner

June 28, 2009 2:19 pm

I’ll have to go back thru all my Pembina pictures and see if maybe I caught it accidentally. I don’t think so tho. Behind the building maybe. All the electronics, doors, and stickers on the other thing (plus ignorance) bit me.
Anyway, I’m home again. No Grand Meadow this trip, as it is significantly in the opposite direction of the others from my starting point. I’ll go down there later in the summer if no one else does.
I have pics of Hillsboro, ND to upload. Security guard called her boss and got permission. Also got a short interview with her, tho she’s not the main climate station person there. Stevenson screen, but no MMTS (she was quite firm on that). She also said the thermometer in the shelter developed “a bubble” some (indefinite) time ago and they requested a new one but one was not forthcoming. So they went out and got an indoor/outdoor wireless thermometer and placed the outdoor sensor in the shelter “about six months ago” (i.e. dead of North Dakota winter) and read it from the security post nearby on an hourly basis and use that to report.
She showed me the sheet/clipboard where they note the temps, and the hand unit for the readout. No model number on it, but said “LaCrosse Technology” on the bottom of the face. I know the typical home market indoor/outdoor wireless units are not very good for cold climates, at least in part because batteries don’t like cold. I have not tried to look for specs on the LaCrosse unit yet –maybe there are commercial grade indoor/outdoor ones that are more hardy.
Anyway, off to cut the grass at home. I’ll upload Hillsboro this evening.

June 29, 2009 5:10 am

Hillsboro, ND uploaded. I’ll see what I can do about survey forms tonight.

June 29, 2009 11:37 am

Btw, are you guys aware that on the main page of that when you click on the stations rated graphic at the top of the page that instead of getting a larger image as promised you get a 404? And that when you try to download the googleearth rating map of 2/05/2009 just below that you get a security violation?
Tried it in both IE8 and Firefox 3, same result. Comcast is my ISP.

Evan Jones(@evanmjones)
June 29, 2009 12:02 pm

Thanks; will check out the uploads. Be sure to include the Hillsboro interview in the survey form. The equipment issue is important.
(I’m getting the same error.)

June 29, 2009 1:51 pm

I think I’m going to try a little gentle begging with the city fathers of Pembina to see if that situation can be retrieved remotely.

June 30, 2009 5:57 am

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