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SAFETY NOTE: Please don’t use this image to frighten children, oh wait, that happens in schools everyday when AIT is shown, nevermind…
From The West Australian newspaper
Climate change could haunt humanity forever: Garnaut
30th September 2008, 14:00 WST
Failure to deal with climate change now will “haunt humanity” forever, the nation’s top greenhouse adviser has warned as he issued a rallying cry for action.
Professor Ross Garnaut has warmed to the idea of a deep, fast cut to Australia’s emissions in his final report, released today.
After infuriating green groups earlier this month by calling for a 10 per cent cut in Australia’s emissions by 2020, he’s now more open to a deeper 25 per cent cut.
Prof Garnaut issued a blunt assessment of the dangers of climate change as he launched the 620-page report.
“If we fail, on a balance of probabilities, the failure of our generation will haunt humanity until the end of time,” he told reporters in Canberra.
“We are entering territory here that humanity has not been in before.
“We will delude ourselves if we think that uncertainty about the climate change science… is a cause for delay.”
And Australia would probably be “the biggest loser” among developed countries from climate change, he said.
Prof Garnaut has recommended Australia push for a strong global climate pact, which would mean a 25 per cent cut in emissions by 2020.
“Strong mitigation, with Australia playing its proportionate part, is in Australia’s interests,” the report says.
This ambitious target would be in the context of a global deal to keep atmospheric carbon concentration to 450 parts per million (ppm).
However, Prof Garnaut is pessimistic about the possibility of the world agreeing to this “strong mitigation” deal.
If his scepticism proves correct, Prof Garnaut wants the nation to push for a global atmospheric carbon concentration of 550 ppm, which means Australia cutting emissions by 10 per cent by 2020.
And if no climate deal is forged out of the United Nations process, Australia should cut emissions by five per cent, Prof Garnaut says.
“There’s no point in hiding from reality,” he said about the possibility of a strong global climate pact.
He wants Australia to start emissions trading in 2010, and warned consumers would pay more.
“Consumers will wear the majority of the cost of an emissions trading scheme, paying more for a range of goods and services as businesses pass on the emissions price,” he said.
Electricity would cop the biggest price rise, rising by 37 per cent by 2020 if a deep emissions cut was made, and by 21 per cent if a more modest cut was made.
Other prices would rise too, although the impact would be less than the GST had been.
“Petrol and food prices, general prices, will increase to some extent as a result of the ETS.”
Prof Garnaut wants Australia to spend $2.7 billion a year on research on low-emissions technology.
He wants emissions trading to start in 2010, with a fixed, rising carbon permit price until 2012.
Less than 30 per cent of the permits should be given to trade-exposed, emissions-intensive companies. Coal-based electricity generators would not get free permits or compensation.
Prof Garnaut thinks half the revenue from emissions trading should go to households, 30 per cent to businesses, and 20 per cent to research.
Householders would be able to access a “green credit” arrangement to install energy-smart appliances.
Prof Garnaut said the global financial crisis, which worsened overnight, was no excuse to delay acting on climate change.
“Financial crises are short-term phenomena … climate change is a long-term structural issue.”
He also lashed out at various business groups and industries which have warned they will have to shut plants, cut jobs and move offshore due to emissions trading.
“Why would you expect public policy advice in the national interest from the chief executive of a business who’s responsible to his board and shareholders for maximising the profit of that business?” Prof Garnaut asked.
“I think you are just looking at the world through the wrong end of the telescope if you think that that’s where you go to for objective public policy advice.”
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Oh the hyperbole!
“We are entering territory here that humanity has not been in before.”
Oh the ignorance!
I’d love five minutes with Professor Garnaut and his followers to show him what the good climate record shows for the Late Holocene interglacial we are in now.
Should I take this post as being indicative of where the skeptic movement is at these days?
Australia is going down a crazy path to economic suicide, thanks to Kevin Rudd, Penny Wong and Ross Garnaut. If Australia slashed its emissions to half (i.e. a 50% cut) overnight it would reduce global emissions by 0.7% – and what effect would that have on global climate (even if CO2 is a driver of temperature)? Nothing. Zip. Zero. And it will cost us billions of dollars. Until or unless some kind of global agreement is reached, Australia should do nothing.
Australian Climate Madness
I guess we don’t have a monopoly on crazy environmental folks. See what they are thinking about in UK
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=307754036977947
…not to mention the price or a pair of kangaroo boots!
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Speaking as an Australian, I think Garnaut et al are just digging a deeper and deeper hole for themselves.
I suspect this is the high water mark for the green movement; after this we face up to a colder, poorer future as reality seeps in and the sun remains desperately quiet.
thats “of a pair” Sorry, eye/finger coord dropping off in 6th decade!
Meanwhile – Selling Coal is keeping the Australian Current Account in the Black http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24435412-20142,00.html
And for some timely MSM (even our MSM ?s this loony guy) comment that acknowledges the economic delusions of Garnaut look here http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24428264-36281,00.html
Also he seems very willing to use the AGW excuse for personal benefit as is recorded here http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23786397-11949,00.html
“Financial crises are short-term phenomena … climate change is a long-term structural issue.”
The period of time from not having a job… to not paying the mortgage… to not having a home is also a “short term phenomena”. And industries, once crushed out of existence don’t come back easily.
Note that exporting Coal is currently keeping Australia in the black at
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24435412-20142,00.html
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That mask is just too scary, another sleepless night ahead I’m sure. Thanks a lot!
In a later interview the gracious Professor Guano admitted that without co operation of the rest of the world, Australia’s economic sacrifice to AGW would not amount to two hoots.
40 years ago another Australian Prime Minister famously quoted “All the way with LBJ” and then led Australia in participating in the Vietnam conflict.
This current Prime Minister Kevin Krudd has sided with another U.S. leader in Al Gore. Since this alignment, criticism of AGW in Australia is hardly tolerated.
The Krudd government is ambitiously trying to introduce an Emissions Trading Scheme to Australia in 2010 – an election year. I would like to bet that this scheme will be back pedalled and Guano’s admittance of non world wide participation be used as an excuse.
Professor Guano was handpicked by KRudd to produce this (Stern like) report.
It’s interesting to see how shrill the prophets of doom have become over the last few months. “Ice-free Arctic this year” screams one headline.
This Garnaut report has been festering all year. Hopefully, it will end up like all the other Rudd promises: hot air and empty rhetoric. The failure of FuelWatch was benign, the laughable disaster that is GroceryWatch is harmless. The Garnaut plan is economic catastrophy.
Still, one can hope that the financial maelstrom continues for some time. “Enviromentalism is a rich man’s hobby” is a classic line I heard on a radio interview yesterday morning. If people are diverted away from this nonsense and towards more important matters, even for a short time, AGW and it’s associated hatred of a free market might die a quiet, lonely death.
Finally, that mask is just plain creepy!
Don Shaw (21:31:43) :
“The limit prescribed by the British group is four ounces of meat every other day and one liter of milk, “just about enough for cereal in the morning” — or 100 grams of cheese — each week.”
These people are MCPs ( male chauvinist pigs, or she-followers) since it is well known that women and menopausal women need large quantities of milk and cheese to avoid osteoporosis in old age.
As for the Garnaut report, reminds me of the Aesop myth where the fox lost by an accident its tail and was going around trying to convince everyone it was the fashion. That is what will happen to Australia if some idiots follow this advise.
There is an ancient greek proverb “σπευδε βραδεως” : rush slowly, particularly where angels fear to tread.
I think maybe some propaganda poster is necessary for the skeptical side if we are going to make any political progress, other than ridiculing Gore.
I am thinking on the line of the IPCC temperature plot with its catastrophic prediction, the real temperatures, and superimposed in bold the assumed albedo value with its measured error, and what the prediction would be if the albedo changed by one sigma.
The blurb could talk of what this means in terms of probabilities people understand, betting, business decisions etc.
Unfortunately I am not good at graphics ( everything has changed since my time) .
Money could be raised to place this in prominent spots in the media.
A video would be nice too: show the low temperature one sigma ( high albedo) curve and build up the skepticism from there.
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Oh for anthropgeneically-modified-heaven’s sake! The quality of journalism in this country (Austraila) continues to languish somewhere just above rock bottom while the egos of some of our senior academics goes the other way.
I am happy to accept that Professor Garnaut, like the UK’s Sir Nicholas Stern before him, is an excellent economist. But these people are just that – economists. NOT climate scientists. Their jobs are to advise government about the economic costs of a range of actions (or inactions) given the state of science allegedly demostrated by the UN’s IPCC, not to comment on the validity or otehrwise of scientific opinion. For the media to refer to Garnaut as “the nation’s top greenhouse adviser” is just plain wrong. For Garnaut himself to pontificate on climate change as if he IS an expert on the subject
“If we fail, on a balance of probabilities, the failure of our generation will haunt humanity until the end of time,”
is grossly misleading.
To his credit Garnaut does at least indicate the economic costs of action (an emissions trading scheme) particularly with regards to electricity prices, however did anyone else find some irony in his last comments in this report? Garnaut is employed as a policy advisor by a government desperate to garner support for its policies on man-made climate change, which include the introduction of an emissions trading scheme.
“Why would you expect public (PARTY POLITICAL) policy advice in the national (GOVERNING PARTY’S) interest from the chief executive of a business (THE REVIEW COMMITTEE) who’s responsible to his board (THE GOVERNING PARTY) and shareholders (THE MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING PARTY) for maximising the profit (VOTES) of that business (THE GOVERNING PARTY)?”
Why indeed would one expect anything else?
re: Don Shaw (21:31:43)
We already have three meatless days a week in our home.
Not by choice. As pensioners we have adapted. My good
wife does wonders with soya. Sign of the times.
No laws needed.
This is nothing more than the funding of Socialism. 2.7 billion dollars of tax payers money will be distributed among Socialists and environmentalists in the guise of research and development… With Budgets like that, there is no fighting against them.
Science and industry will be corrupted by government handouts and funding. The Science will be used to justify and validate the policies.
Nothing good will come from any of this.
Given that Australia is prone to massive bush fires, and given that those bush fires account for 80 to 90 percent of Australian carbon emissions, and given that the Australian government cannot prevent those bush fires even if they wanted to, then how on Earth is Australia going to reduce carbon emissions by anything more than a point or two, even if the Australian economy is completely snuffed out?
I suppose all this global warming “mitigation” means I will never see the flying car that was predicted as a possible common mode of transportation in a 1962 Seattle World’s fair Tomorrowland exhibit.
*Sigh*
but, but, kangaroos do not trump. They are good (green) animals.
Bison do trump however (bad, bad bison).
Maybe the great US herds of bison saved us from the LIA.
Unsung heroes.
lol.
How times change.
Who’s the scapegoat, rabbits, bison, and / or humans.
Who’s the heroe, kangaroos and / or AGW politicians….?
Stop the world, I want to trump. Dam the consequences.
I’m so bad me………………..
NB – Smokey’s post above,
brilliant clickys.
Well worth clicking.
Again, just a run-of-the-mill dire prediction of the distant future.
Meanwhile, a real disaster is taking place in the banking industry.
This economic disaster was created by pols themselves, and without the help of nature.
It really stinks when the AGW alarmists have to compete against a real-life, today disaster.
The silver lining is that climate will be taking a backseat to economics for a few years. By then we may find ourselves with cold winters.
” from Michael Hauber Should I take this post as being indicative of where the skeptic movement is at these days?”
You should be glad there is some humor as you cast contemptuous epithets. When the lights go out and grandchildren struggle, talk will turn to why there is a second amendment.
The last time so much green went over board was at the Boston Tea Party.
Enough
As an Australian I despair of the drivel that Garnaut spouts, all based on dubious climate modelling and economic modelling. Seems the approach is that “we must act because if we don’t act we will have wished we had have acted” or some such rubbish. Spare me.
As for Michael Hauber and his comment. It is a serious post by Anthony, albeit with a light hearted image (not created by him mind you). So I guess we should take Al Gore as typifying the state of the global warming brigade then?
Australia certainly has its fair share of AGW idiots for such a small population.
Professor Garnaut is also on the record lately for dismissing sceptics as “religious cranks”. Not bad for a man who doesn’t make any claim to understand the science. He concedes that he simply defers to IPCC findings with full trust. He is one of a parade of huge ego’s drawn into this sham – thriving on the “crisis”. Matty, Perth Western Australia
Us Aussies love experimenting with stupidity, think rabbits, foxes and cane toads. Fortunately most of us don’t like to give our money away to easily, expect the tide to change sooner rather than later!
Garn nut is urging Aussies to eat Skippy. They don’t fart, apparently, so methane production would reduce in line with fewer sheep and cattle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7645969.stm
At it happens, I’d be all for it, but they don’t stop hopping long enough to catch.
“It really stinks when the AGW alarmists have to compete against a real-life, today disaster. ”
As evidenced by AlGore stating that the climate crisis deserves at least as much attention as the financial bailout.
It had a pathetic sort of “Hey…but what about ME???” ring to it…
Jim
Garnaut wants Australian farmers to replace a third of their sheep and cattle with kangaroos. Maybe they could restock with the ones in Garnaut’s top paddock. For the non Australian readers “a few roos loose in the top paddock” is the equivalent of “a brick short of a load” “a sandwich short of a picnic “etc. Knew someone once whose nickname was “two bricks”.
Michael Hauber (21:26:50) Ha, you just wish this is all there was to the skeptic movement. For more amusement, see Richard Lindzen’s recent report on the ‘warmist’ movement. A real barrel of laughs.
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“We will delude ourselves if we think that uncertainty about the climate change science… is a cause for delay.”
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Let’s see if I interpret this right.
He seems to be saying that it doesn’t matter whether or not we are certain the earth is warming. It doesn’t matter whether or not we are certain that CO2 is the cause.
We have to do something now.
I can’t think of a clearer admission that there is an ulterior motive at play here.
Richard111:”My good wife does wonders with soya ”
Careful, soy is loaded with estrogen. I suspect it is the driving force behind pushing the use of soybased “meat” over real animal flesh. Women and male greenies feel that if they can tone down our natural masculinity then perhaps they can make us knuckle under to they ideology.
You Aussies don’t have a monopoly on AGW nuts. In another post I asked for some input on questions to ask a professor of “Intedicipinary Science” at a local community college. So far, his answer (via my neighbor who is a student)to my questions is that I am simply spouting the right wing conservative party line against global warming and refuse to look at the evidence. He likened me to Joseph Goebbels the Nazi propoganda king. No answers. This man is teaching young adults who are already clueless. We have a long way to go. I told my neighbor the reason he will not answer the questions is that they will take him where he doesn’t want to go. The questions I asked are below and were not argumentative or subjective, they each had a simple answer:
1.What is the actual percentage contribution to the “greenhouse” effect from each of the three main greenhouse gases, water vapor, CO2, and methane?
2.What percent of the atmospheric CO2 is man made?
3.What is the absorption spectrum of CO2 and can it become saturated?
4.How does that compare to the absorption spectrum of water vapor ?
5.Are the effects of increased CO2 linear or logarithmic?
6.What is the lowest level that atmospheric CO2 can drop to before plant life dies?
7.What is the highest level that atmospheric CO2 has risen to where life still existed?
Let’s see – global warming, trick or treat?
Put it this way, I don’t think we’re in for much of a treat this winter…
Here’s a hypothesis that has welled up in my thinking recently.
Those with ‘influence’ have recognised for some time that, like all previous civilisations, the ‘1st world’ as it is may be in decline. As world power bases, economic and other, shift various financial and political (in the broadest sense) tipping points are reached. The current economic confusion could be part of that.
The influencers’ solution is to attempt to knit the world into a single garment to convince all levels of social and economic development that there is a real and common threat. The energy usage and climate analogies, playing on humanity’s long pre-occupation with resource availability (food and what follows) and the weather, is a pretty much perfect area of common standing that happens to offer a lot of potential control points in the modern technological world that we inhabit and is aspired to by those currently stuck in other states of development.
Garnaut like statements may be thought of as dragging current standards down, which they likely would, but they are also designed to try to prevent existing lower level standards rising too far. So, strangely, one might see it as a form of protectionism with the best outcome to be hoped for being some form of levelling of standards – along the broad lines of communism I suppose.
The greater danger that these seers may fear is that the balance of economics (and therefore power) rapidly shifts away from the current pyramid toppers in the industrialised parts of the world. The chances are that slipping over the economic clifftop, to which we seem rather close just now, would be enough to see that happen very soon. But developing economies, such as China and India and to some extent Russia with their energy resource cache and dented pride, could buck that trend and be ascendant. The AGW concept, if sold widely and deeply soon enough, might just forestall the inevitable for a generation or two. But for the strategy to succeed before financial doom arrives (or even as part of fending off that doom) things have to be agreed by, say, 2010 and implemented immediately afterwards.
Of course there is no way that anyone could admit to such a situation no matter how evident it became to all involved. Hence all the BS and avoidance of debate.
Just a hypothesis of course.
Comments anyone?
“We are entering territory here that humanity has not been in before.”
Yes indeed, Mr. Guano. Never before has there been this level of mass hysteria and general stupidity worldwide, all based on the phantom menace of “carbon”, which is not only completely innocent but is entirely beneficial to us.
Good picture of Al Ghoul, who sold his soul long ago for money, power and fame.
Man made climate change will stop the moment the public is asked to pay for it.
This is an intellectual elitist battle that will dissipate once the average person is asked by their elected representatives to pay for it.
Regards
Michael
KIM: “For more amusement, see Richard Lindzen’s recent report on the ‘warmist’ movement. A real barrel of laughs.”
Can’t download this paper, any suggestions for a URL that works?
I agree with Tom in Florida, it is time that the “warmists” be challenged to answer true scientific questions about the state of the mater. They refuse to answer with honest truthful answers and expect us to have faith in their propaganda.
Some times I get frustrated with their blather.
Bill Derryberry
Oh, I love it. Gerard at American Digest http://americandigest.org/ has linked to this post.
But, dang! Clicking on my two favorite blogs is giving me indigestion:-)
Oh! The horror!
The warmers just seem so 100% sure that global warming will be a 100% disaster when the more a reasonable person looks at the issue, at least a little doubt should enter one’s mind.
I am a little perplexed at how fervent the belief is.
Response to PeteS (01:51:28) :
Yes, we exported them there a long time ago
Neilo (22:32:42) :
“…that mask is just plain creepy!”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/01/obese-people-to-blame-for-accelerating-global-warming/
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Trick or trick…. lol I love that mask. The clickies are excellent, thanks.
Would you give sweets to Al Gore?
Perhaps we do need to worry about global warming.But I think the debate is still open.
I’m living in the land of Oz and our council here are green nutcases. I’ll be going to a conference where climate change will be discussed. I’m studying up like mad and, Anthony, I’m getting a lot of good info from your site. THANK YOU!!
Tom in Fla, what are the answers to those question? I’d love to take your list with me to the conference.
Thanks, Cait
Alexjc38 you say you don’t think we are in for a treat this winter but that depends on how you look at it .I for one look foward to a cold in snowy winter .Living in western N.C. it’s been a few years since we’ve had a good snowfall .
That has got to be one of the scariest masks I’ve ever seen. Let’s cancel Halloween this year.
Noting the power elite’s concerns for all the recent crises, whether financial, climate, or whatever, it seems it’s a crisis that doesn’t affect you or me; we always seem to muddle through quite nicely, thank you very much. Rather, it’s a crisis that impacts the elite’s comfortable and established way of conducting their affairs. So when they declare a crisis, ever notice how that declaration is immediately followed by a call for sacrifices? Not sacrifices by them; no, they’ll be the collectors of the sacrifices that you and I are being called upon to make. And then, after their way of life is smoothed over, ever notice how proud these elite are in announcing how they saved us from disaster? And in the coming decades, as the climate cools, these folk are going to lighten our wallets and save us — to the point of extinction.
Hmmmmm – that mask, coupled with this damp and chilly morning, must have brought out the cynic in me. Guess I need to slap an old Meg Ryan romantic comedy in the DVD player to lighten the mood…
Excelsior!!
As has often been pointed out on this forum, anything that would actually reduce CO2 in any significant way would destroy the economies of the world, resulting in mass starvation and conflict. I’ve described this as “killing half the world and enslaving the remaining half.”
It is important to realize that AGW enthusiasts like Mr. Gore understand this. They expect failure — and even desire failure. By creating crises that continue to build, one on top of another, disaster after disaster, they can get more and more power to destroy the status quo and re-mold the world into their vision. You must destroy the old to build the new.
AGW is just a tool in this overall strategy that even has a name, “The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis”. Google it. Its basic tenent is to add stress to governmental and economic systems until they collapse. An important step is to create a problem, then convince people that only the government can solve the problem. As the government and the economy become more and more overextended, failures arise that demand even further action and additional powers.
AGW is a perfect example of Cloward-Piven. Only governments can solve the problem, the problem cannot actually be solved, an organized grassroots effort demands a solution, people see their standard of living fall as controls are implemented, and thus more governmental power becomes necessary, which sets the stage for the next crisis.
Our current economic crisis, generated by US government actions in the 1990s to make owning a home available to everyone, qualified or not, is another example. The bailout will be the proximate cause of the next crisis in the chain.
Scott
Greenie watchers will note that the word “warming” does not appear in this news article. With plunging temperatures “climate change” is the operative word.
“We are entering territory here that humanity has not been in before.
I agree. The combination of Obama, Pelosi and Reed will subject the American economy to risk never before seen.
Looks like another case of “Climate Change Delusion”
“Man stores garbage in his basement for year to reduce eco-footprint…”
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/Content?oid=865466
GeoS:
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I often quip to myself that the AGW are probably right about global warming: just think of those poor folks in coastal settlements who saw their homes wiped out–about 12,000 BCE. My oh, my, but for global warming.
I have a book by an ivory tower professor Norman Cohn about the earliest known religions called – ‘Cosmos and Chaos’ The point is that the subtitle is: ‘The Ancient Origins of Apocalyptic Faith’.
Not much has changed then?
Tom in Florida (04:43:35) :
“2.What percent of the atmospheric CO2 is man made?”
A table published by the DOE, October, 2000, gave the answer to that question. http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
A link to the origin of the table http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html no longer gives the proportion of natural to man-made CO2. This leaves the impression that all the 2.14 ppm yearly increase of atmospheric CO2 is man-made, although the IPCC report says that natural emissions of CO2 are 30 times that of man-made CO2. The rational is that natural CO2 is in balance with Nature and that man-made CO2 is not compensated for by natural processes.
To a living plant that requires Carbon, C12 is C12, no matter the source.
“We are entering territory here that humanity has not been in before.”
Umm yes… we started doing that about 100,000 years ago and never stopped.
I hope Anthony finds a new subject to post really soon… I’m getting nightmares with Algore’s creepy face front and center… LOL
A bit O/T, but still scary.
Hang onto your wallets. After reading this story at Newsbusters:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/10/02/green-alert-hidden-carbon-tax-provision-paulson-s-bailout-2-0
I downloaded the pdf file with the bill that passed the Senate last night — all 451 pages! Looks like it has something for everyone, even the ‘greenies’. On page 175, there are details for establishing tax credits for carbon dioxide sequestration. Further on, at page 180, it looks like they’re laying the foundations for taxing CO2 emissions, by having the National Academy of Sciences undertake a two year study of the subject. And then it goes on to address biofuels.
Some rescue!
Of course you don’t need a scary mask for Halloween.
Just ring the doorbell and say, “Gimme candy or I’ll start reading the list of everything caused by global warming.”
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
There was a company set up to profit out of AGW believers with two directors called Gore and Blood. The Universe could have hardly named it better.
Well we’re already on snow watch in the UK already, barely into October and we already have -30c uppers, incredible for the time of year it took until February (!) last year to get that sort of cold. Looking not too good for W Europe this winter if this continues. Neutral ENSO is connected with v cold Euro winters. GW alarmism might get thrown to the pit of public ridicule if we do get another 1963
Emissions not making rivers run dry
Stewart Franks | September 12, 2008
IS the ongoing drought in the Murray-Darling Basin affected by climate change? The simple answer is that there is no evidence that CO2 has had any significant role. Like it or not, that is the science.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24331854-7583,00.html
Stewart Franks is a hydroclimatologist and an associate professor at the University of Newcastle School of Engineering. He is president-elect of the International Commission on the Coupled Land – Atmosphere System.
EEEEEK !!!
Record South Pole Ozone Hole Predicted
By Dennis Avery Wednesday, October 1, 2008
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5296
A Canadian scientist says the largest known hole in the ozone will occur over the South Pole in the next week. If that happens, it will help us understand global warming.
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If the South Pole gets an ozone-hole maximum in the coming weeks, it will strengthen the case for cosmic rays, and endorse a Modern Warming driven by solar variations rather than human-emitted CO2. The solar model is already endorsed by oxygen isotopes in ice cores from both Greenland and the Antarctic, by microfossils in the sediments of nine oceans and hundreds of lakes worldwide, and by cave stalagmites from every continent plus New Zealand.
The case for a solar-driven climate is also strengthened by a drop in global temperatures over the past 18 months: The temperature decline had been forecast by the sunspot index since 2000, but was not predicted by the global climate models.
Dennis T. Avery, is a senior fellow with the Hudson Institute in Washington. Dennis is the Director for Global Food Issues ([url=http://www.cgfi.org]http://www.cgfi.org[/url]). He was formerly a senior analyst for the Department of State.
Dennis can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com
Having read it all I can say is….wow, just wow. The combination of stupidity and arrogance is…well, if he were an Olympic diver he’d get 10s for degree of difficulty. But, I will say this. He is honest about his position. Consumers will have to pay through the nose, even while there is uncertainty about the climate science. Apparently there is none for him. Do these guys get awards or maybe money from Al Gore for how incendiary and demagoguing their speeches are? I could do a breakdown on the dumb things he says in his speech, the over use of hyperbole, the claims not based on facts, the baseless assumptions…but, given that we actually have intelligent life on this blog, I seriously doubt it is warranted. No wonder the AGWers don’t want to debate with loons like this running around.
A couple of thoughts:
“We are entering territory here that humanity has not been in before.”
Yes, Professor G – it’s called THE FUTURE – coming soon to a theater near you.
“40 years ago another Australian Prime Minister famously quoted “All the way with LBJ” and then led Australia in participating in the Vietnam conflict.”
And as a US, in-country Vietnam Vet, I can say the Aussies kicked butt. To those Australian Vietnam Vets out there “Welcome home mate!”
Mike
Gore getting desperate proof public cooling on GW hoax
By Dr. Tim Ball Tuesday, July 22, 2008
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4072
Comments and reports about global warming are getting silly and even ridiculous. Al Gore says we have ten years left. We’re told cooling is due to warming. More rain and flooding and less rain and drought are both due to warming. More hurricanes are predicted while fewer occur. Global temperatures declined as much in the first few months of 2008 as they increased in the previous 100 plus years due to warming. Recently we were told global warming is causing an increase in kidney stones in a travesty of geographic correlation assuming cause and effect. One blogger who began recording, with tongue in cheek, all the events attributed to global warming was John Brignell.
Thanks Smokey, that works. Great (and frightening) paper…… G
Record South Pole Ozone Hole Predicted
By Dennis Avery Wednesday, October 1, 2008
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5296
A Canadian scientist says the largest known hole in the ozone will occur over the South Pole in the next week. If that happens, it will help us understand global warming.
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If the South Pole gets an ozone-hole maximum in the coming weeks, it will strengthen the case for cosmic rays, and endorse a Modern Warming driven by solar variations rather than human-emitted CO2. The solar model is already endorsed by oxygen isotopes in ice cores from both Greenland and the Antarctic, by microfossils in the sediments of nine oceans and hundreds of lakes worldwide, and by cave stalagmites from every continent plus New Zealand.
The case for a solar-driven climate is also strengthened by a drop in global temperatures over the past 18 months: The temperature decline had been forecast by the sunspot index since 2000, but was not predicted by the global climate models.
Dennis T. Avery, is a senior fellow with the Hudson Institute in Washington. Dennis is the Director for Global Food Issues ([url=http://www.cgfi.org]http://www.cgfi.org[/url]). He was formerly a senior analyst for the Department of State.
Dennis can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com
terry46 (07:23:44) : “Alexjc38 you say you don’t think we are in for a treat this winter but that depends on how you look at it .I for one look foward to a cold in snowy winter .Living in western N.C. it’s been a few years since we’ve had a good snowfall .”
In fact I like the snow (the first day or so anyway, before it turns to slush) & have happy childhood memories of it. Here in London we usually have a little snow in February or March; maybe it will arrive earlier this winter – a white Xmas?
No, what I was thinking of was our skyrocketing energy bills! 🙁
“…GW alarmism might get thrown to the pit of public ridicule if we do get another 1963”
(According to the UK Met office, “1963: the coldest winter since 1740”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_1963
Another possibility or two this fall and winter…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1987
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_(storm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_1946-1947
Kangaroo farming! I can see it now. Kangaroos bred to be fat, tasty, docile and lethargic. The wild ones will be a disease risk and have to be eradicated.
Prof Garnaut seems to have toned things down a few notches since his preliminary report a few months ago, nonetheless it is still a tale of unmitigated woe for the civilised world, just like the Stern Report (but, being Australian, with better cricketers).
I find two interesting things about both Garnaut and Stern.
First, there is nothing of substance in either Garnaut or Stern to suggest that the depredations they wish on the developed world will result in significant economic improvement in the poorest countries. Nothing they propose seems likely to help the poorest African countries reach self-sufficiency. Everything is tailored to helping Africa avoid the threatened deleterious effects of warming but that is just stand-still, not progress.
Secondly, the publication of both reports has spurred more and more people to question the presumptions on which it is all based. Suddenly there was a reason for those who accepted the AGW theory to question whether it really had any substance. But more than this, it switched the balance of the issue. The essential question changed from “is the AGW theory correct” to “are we prepared to accept the changes urged upon us”? If the answer to the new question is “no”, it matters not how many polar bears are forced to eat each other to prevent themselves getting too warm.
And we can be sure that the more St Al of Gore flies around on his private jet while the rest of us struggle with economic recession, the more people will question the sense of making life even more difficult for ourselves. The stronger the opinion that further sacrifice cannot be tolerated, the stronger the need for sacrifice must be pushed – but they can’t push it any stronger they are at maximum thrust and have been for years.
Recession is a wonderful thing for focussing minds on priorities.
My suggestion is that the main priority should be to put Gordon Brown in charge of the IPCC, he has a wonderful touch. He said he had abolished boom-and-bust, then we went bust; he backed Obama and McCain’s rating soared; he said McCain was great, Obama soared; he opened Lehman Brothers’ new office and praised their stability, then they folded; he visits football clubs before vital matches and they lose; he pledges his support for a government minister who then has to resign; just this week the Big Bail Out was going nicely until he said he supported it, then the vote was lost; and worst of all he visited an MP (Member of Parliament) who was terminally ill in hospital, the man had been given three months to live just the previous week and died the day after Gordon’s cheery face popped around the curtain. Yes, he’s definitely the man to head the IPCC.
Kangaroo, medium rare, with balsamic red onions on a bed of kumara mash – sensational. I think Garnaut’s package has merit!
Oh my goodness gracious me. I am listening to the debate between Governor Palin and Senator Biden. The latter has just said climate change is “all man-made”, “we know the cause”, “all man-made”.
I would be lost for words if it weren’t for the fact that I am not lost for words.
One can forgive JB for his position. He told Katie Couric that after the crash of ’29, President Roosevelt went on TV to explain what happened. President Roosevelt. In ’29. On TV. So I wouldn’t expect him to know much about anything more technical than a thumbtack. At least Palin knows which end of the rifle to point at the moose.
Back OT. Al Gore could haunt humanity forever.
Skippy
I remember that ref. But only because of my age. (To most Americans that term means Peanut Butter.)
The latter has just said climate change is “all man-made”, “we know the cause”, “all man-made”.
She’s doing okay–except she didn’t kick him around on his ridiculous economics. She needed to smack him around hard and heavy on that.
And she did pay lip service to AGW. (Biden makes me ill; he’s worse.)
As a liberal I have not merely been abandoned by the democratic party, I have been orphaned.
Unfortunately the American public is about as savvy on economics and foreign policy as it is on AGW. It will take years of cooling to make us see sense. (Both in terms of temperatures AND GDP growth.)
As for Australia, if its polity can sell out to AGW with the record of SH cooling . . .
“She’s doing okay–except she didn’t kick him around on his ridiculous economics.”
Economics is as fluid a subject as you can get at the moment!
I think they both did very well in an enormously high-pressure environment. Added very little, if anything, to the Presidential race but that’s only to be expected when they are fighting over a bucket of warm … ok, I’ll use the clean version … spit.
FatBigot (17:14:09) :
Remind me never to get on your bad side. I would, no doubt, fold like a cheap card table.
And evanjones : “As for Australia, if its polity can sell out to AGW with the record of SH cooling . . .”
Yes, interesting that nobody talks about that half of the world.
And she says “nucyuler”. We don’t need another elected functional illiterate…
I take it back about Palin. On further review she talked about cyclical climate and did not directly address cause.
We don’t need another elected functional illiterate…
As an expatriate exile of the “ivy-league intellectual class” (Columbia U., MA in Ashamed of American History) I would FAR rather have mostly correct policies from a sensible, reasonably intelligent man who splits his infinitives than a whacked-out Plato’s Republic vision of a hI-Q boob with intellectual pretensions. What we don’t need is a 180-IQ genius like Carter.
just like the Stern Report
Don’t get me started on the goddamn Stern goddamn Review . . .
(The best thing I can say about it is that I’m getting paid to rip it to shreds.)
http://stopthehousingbailout.com/ and http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
Two ways to contact your representives and let them know you do not support the additions to the bailout bill. Its about time we educated some of our lawmakers, dont ya think? I cant watch either of the house or senate feeds without hearing someone use the term ‘global warming’ I guess no one told them its been changed to climate change…
What really makes that mask of AlGore so scary is the blank eyes. Sorta like the lights are on, but nobody’s home.
Of course, this brings to mind the old Halloween song:
“I was working in my lab, late one night;
When my eyes beheld an eerie sight…”
Apologies for being OT, but they found the wreckage of Steve Fossett’s plane in the Mammoth area, and Mammoth Mountain emits vast plumes of CO2. Could the two be connected?
“Climate change could haunt humanity forever: Garnaut”
I laughed like a drain.
It really is ironical! For a change, the headline is almost spot on. But alas! not for the reasons that I imagine the author had in mind when s/he penned the line.
Climate change WILL haunt humanity forever….and ever….and ever….and…
Get used to it! As I have read somewhere or other – you might just as well try to stop the clouds from scudding across the sky as ‘stop climate’.
I see Jeff Albert is this blog’s resident [snip]. So pronouncing a word differently from the way that you may pronounce it is being functionally illiterate, and more damning for you, than saying, no pronouncing, that an incredibly complicated system such as climate change is all man made? Yikes. Or maybe you were being sarcastic? Please say you were.
Note: It seems this is the first time you have posted here, so this is a friendly FYI that ad hominem attacks at fellow commentators are unwelcome. – Anne
Wow, you put a lot of words into my mouth. I made zero comment on either VP candidate’s AGW leanings. I merely said she can’t pronounce “nuclear”, which is a very simple word to pronounce, yet so many people seem to have a problem with it. It’s not a matter of it being different from the way I “may pronounce it”, but from the way the word is spelled and the legitimate pronunciation, either in UK or American English.
FYI, my last name is Alberts, not Albert. If you can’t figure that out, just call me Jeff. Meanwhile, I’ll think up some really cool things for the letters “RFN”.
That particular pronunciation is not as large an aberration as you feel. From Webster:
“Though disapproved of by many, pronunciations ending in \\-kyə-lər\\ have been found in widespread use among educated speakers including scientists, lawyers, professors, congressmen, United States cabinet members, and at least two United States presidents and one vice president. While most common in the United States, these pronunciations have also been heard from British and Canadian speakers.”
It is most common away from the US East coast. In part, this is probably because it was the version actually taught in private schools through the 1980s on the Pacific coast.
Conform if you so desire. But it is hardly a sign of “Functional Illiteracy.”
The Master List of Things Caused by Global Warming
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
has been updated to include Deaf Polar Bears
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/30/bs-alert-polar-bear-hearing-affected-to-due-global-warming/
general health risks, a surge in legionnaires disease, an increase in tigers eating people, and, worst of all, a threat to Haggis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7648481.stm
That’s right, there might not be enough sheep’s lung to make Haggis, because of global warming.
John-X (14:17:01) : “… an increase in tigers eating people, and, worst of all, a threat to Haggis…”
Some Greens might see these last items as Global Warming benefits – fewer pesky humans due to tiger predation, and another meat item off the menu.
BTW, re famous winters of the recent past, I recommend a book called Frozen In Time, by Ian McCaskill and Paul Hudson – basically a fascinating and sobering account of the impact of the winters of 1947, 1963 and 1979 in the UK.
Incidentally, following the great snow of 1947, and the floods caused by the thaw, there was “one of the hottest and most prolonged drought summers on record”. This pattern also seems to have occurred quite a few times back in the LIA – extreme swings from bitterly cold winters to summer heatwaves. Interesting.
alexjc38 (15:19:39) :
” This pattern also seems to have occurred quite a few times back in the LIA – extreme swings from bitterly cold winters to summer heatwaves. Interesting.”
There does seem to be a coincidence of warm or hot summers and cold, harsh winters.
The only reason I can think of offhand is “increased meridional flow,” but there’s probably much more too it than that. Over most of the US this summer we had very persistent subtropical high pressure – new record for consecutive 90 degree days in the Denver area.
The 70s were notorious for cold winters, but there were also hot summers. Anyone in the UK old enough to remember the summer of ’76 will never forget it – bubbles forming in the hot asphalt…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_Kingdom_heat_wave
And just in case Kevin Rudd’s real concern of climate change needs clarifying !
Immediately after taking office he removed the solar elecricity rebate scheme brought in by the previous govt. A measure which proably would have had the biggest impact on reducing CO2 if continued and expanded. This demonstrates his true belief on AGW.
As George Orwell quotes
“Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely….”
How much money will Kevin (et al) make from all this false propoganda. And how long will the (farting) sheep follow….?
Jeff Alberts:
Ah, but maybe we do.
The alternative is the current good ol’ boy system, which has got us into this mess. And keep in mind that accents are difficult to change. Governor Palin speaks the way everyone else speaks in Nebraska, where she grew up.
Also keep in mind that it’s bad form to make fun of someone because of their regional accent.
Please remember that Sir Winston Churchill spoke with a lisp. That would be more objectionable to you, I’m sure. You could have really made fun of him!
Saying “nucyuler” has nothing to do with regional accent. I’ve heard people from all over say it that way, and people from all over say it the correct way. Or are you saying the regional accents in Nebraska and Texas are the same?
Jeff Alberts:
I’m saying you’re making fun of the way someone talks. But you’re perfect, right? So you get to criticize.
Carry on.
Smokey, where did I make fun? I simply stated a fact. That we don’t need an elected official that makes Americans look stupid. And yes, I do get to criticize, since they’re putting themselves in the limelight. If I were doing so and I did or said something like that, I would expect criticism, much like you’re criticizing me now for criticizing her.
Jeff, I totally agree. Form is far more important than substance. This is why I never listen to Stephen Hawking.