# TV Network Tells Kids How Long Their Carbon Footprint Should Allow Them to Live

This is environmentalism jumping the shark:

Click image above to play the game

I don’t know where to begin, except to say that when we see things like this, we should complain loudly and incessantly. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has crossed a line beyond science, beyond decency, and beyond rational thought.

This is what you get after pressing “start”:

The screen above says: When you’re done, click on the (skull and crossbones) to find out what age you should die at so you don’t use more than your fair share of Earth’s resources!

Hat tip to CallonJim who writes:

This “kids” games at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Tell’s kids depending on their magical “carbon footprint” how long they should live?

The actual title is “Professor Schpinkee’s Greenhouse Calculator – find out when you should die!”

The thing I find amazing is the average foot print is 24.6 tonnes of CO2, which calculates out to 9.3 years old! Where it tells the child “YOU SHOULD DIE AT THE AGE 9.3!” Guess what age this kids games is marketed to? That’s right, 9 year olds.

What is most disgusting about this is that ABC ignores their own published Code of Practice

In section 2.12 they talk about content for children:

2.12 Content for Children. In providing enjoyable and enriching content for children, the ABC does not wish to conceal the real world from them. It can be important for the media, especially television, to help children understand and deal with situations which may include violence and danger. Special care should be taken to ensure that content which children are likely to watch or access unsupervised should not be harmful or disturbing to them.

I venture that any child who takes this carbon footprint test “unsupervised” without mommy and daddy around, and who may be old enough to read, but not old enough to understand he/she is being brainwashed by an agenda, would be “disturbed” find they should die at age nine, since just clicking through with default choices gives you that age.

Here is where you can contact the ABC and give them an inbox full of your opinion. This kind of propaganda needs to be removed.

http://www.abc.net.au/contact/contactabc.htm

UPDATE: There is a row developing in the Austrailian press over this.

UPDATE2: The New York Post highlights this site on June 1st with the headline “Enviro Mental Institution

## 139 thoughts on “TV Network Tells Kids How Long Their Carbon Footprint Should Allow Them to Live”

1. Echo3Skywalker says:

It’s hard to describe how I feel about such a website, but there certainly would be no positive terms whatsoever. Typical “Man is a disease upon this sacred planet” way of thinking. Very, very sad.

2. Evan Jones says:

Yes, and it’s deliberately provocative. I had a very low rating–yet according to that I deserved to die two years ago. Does anyone “deserve” to live until age 70 according to this? I doubt it.
Not only is it demeaning, but it is stupid (and socialist). there is not one iota of understanding that an economy might (gasp) expand.
Idiotic. Sanctimonious. Bogus.

3. Smokey Behr says:

I put everything into the calculator, and it said that I should die at 2.8 (I’m assuming years) It also says my carbon footprint is 82.5 tonnes (yay me!), so gee, I should have been dead 37 years ago!

4. retired engineer says:

You have to be kidding. At least Dick Lamm had the ‘decency’ to only tell old people that they had a ‘duty to die’. What next? A ‘master race’ of enlightened environmentalists that are allowed to live longer? “Sieg Gore”? (OK, that’s in bad taste, but @#\$% like this raises my blood pressure)

5. Tom in Florida says:

When all else fails, adjust the data and brainwash kids.

6. Here is what I just posted to the site http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23765244-5014239,00.html:
ABC managing director Mark Scott appears to be misleading the Senate when he says, “the site was not designed to offend certain quarters of the community but to engage children in environmental issues.”
I respond: No, this is incorrect. If it was designed to “engage children in environmental issues”, then it would give children both sides of the issues covered and let them make up their own minds concerning what approaches they agree with and what they don’t (and, more probably, those they don’t know enough about and need to learn more). Obviously, people who work in the field being ‘shot down’ (literally – I tried the game) would of course feel offended, and justifiably so.
Next Scott says, “It’s not an attempt to write public policy… it’s an attempt to educate school students on the impact of the modern Western lifestyle on carbon emissions and the whole issue that we are dealing with.”
I respond: I disagree. It is clearly an attempt to frighten children into pushing society into an entirely different lifestyle, so it is promoting long range policy changes through propaganda. It is not education at all – it is clearly propaganda in the fullest as explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda. Does this violate ABC’s mandate as a public broadcaster? Besides, what gives ABC the audacity to decide for the country that they know what scientists do not, namely that so-called ‘carbon emissions’ are causing a climate crisis.
Tom Harris
International Climate Science Coalition
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/

7. MartinJ says:

It’s worse than your headline says. It’s not when you will die. It’s when you should die, because you have used up your share of the Earths resources.
This is a judgment that the car I drive, the house I live in, and how far I drive to work each day is a capital offense.
By the way I should die at 2.6 years, so I’m about 39 years late.
REPLY: Thanks. I agree and made a change

8. Chris says:

Book mark this website in the “just plain evil” folder

9. Steve Stip says:

I scored pretty good, I should have died at age 7.2 Just precocious I suppose.

10. tetris says:

Anthony,
This is revolting indeed as the underlying view is entirely consistent with the eco-fascist view of the world espoused by the likes of Paul Watson [Sea Sheppard Society] who view Homo Sapien’s presence as a blight on the face of the earth and something ultimately to be eradicated, even that requires some sort of collective suicide. What is truly shocking is that this sort of extremism has made its way into the top editorial echelons of public broadcasters like the ABC. Here in Canada things are nearly as bad: David Suzuki, a virulent and extreme proponent of “environmentalism” not only has his own program [The Nature of Things] on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, but is an advisor to our public broadcaster as well. You can no doubt imagine the resulting bias…

11. James Acres says:

If it’s targeted towards kids, why do they ask how much you drive? And how much for work?

12. MartinJ says:

Evan Jones question about whether anyone could live to 70 inspired me to
retake the test. I lied about everything and after my angelic pig floated up, up
and away its said I can live forever.
This is the most disgusting thing I’ve seen in a long time.

13. Evan Jones says:

Heck, I made 49.1 years. And the recycle question wasn’t reasonable. They give no ground between “recycle and compost” and “sometimes recycle”.
I ALWAYS recycle. No because I want to or would voluntarily, but ONLY because the building gets an 800\$ fine from the garbage police every time they find a single item in the wrong bag.
Oh, did I mention? I live in NYC. None of that stuff I sort actually GETS recycled. It just goes in the landfill. But I still am required by law to waste large amounts of fresh water (which arguably IS a legit resource issue) to rinse the cans and bottles. I am required to do so because they want to “get me in the habit” of recycling even though what I separate never gets recycled. My contempt for this is boundless.

14. Evan Jones says:

If it’s targeted towards kids, why do they ask how much you drive? And how much for work?
As someone–very–well trained (at CCNY and Columbia University) in agitprop, dialectic, and deconstruction, I can answer that.
It’s an effective technique we call “indirection”. (They get you and then they get your kids THROUGH you.)
P.S., I am a liberal apostate. And OOOOH, how my liberal brethren HATE it when you turn their own methods on them! (As a class traitor, they hate me even more than they hate the conservatives. Because my kind is a real threat to them. And they are right to fear us: we will in the end defeat them.)

15. BillS says:

The thing that’s most interesting is it’s all about income… Try a little test enter the most “green” answer to every question – no car, recycling etc. except for one. Tell it you spent \$100,000 dollars or more and that none of it was an investment in green products or organic foods (ie. your whole \$100K was spent on things that aren’t green).
If you though Catholics were tough – the rich can’t make it past age 10.
Want to live a long time – just be poor.

16. BillS says:

though = thought…
btw – presumably this means when your medical bills reach a certain point you are just using too many of the earth’s resources and should be dead.

17. Raphael says:

Everyone who is “should die” needs to invest more in “ethical investments.” You can pick the least eco-friendly choices and as long as you invest enough in “ethical investments,” you can live forever.

18. Schwarze Tulpe says:

The “500 Millioner” lurks clandestinely under many disguises, but their message is always the same: you should die so that we alone can live. Ugly creatures they are. I would suggest legal recourse against ABC for something like this.

19. I made 3.5 years when I took this a few weeks ago.
Nothing that Always Been Communists say surprises me. When the polar bears were listed as endangered a couple of weeks ago the ABC news story on TV here managed to say that there were only 25000 bears left implying that their numbers were falling and had been for some time. No mention that there are more bears now than there were a few decades ago.

20. andy.s says:

That was frickin’ hysterical! I should have been offed at 2.6! Yay! I win!!!!
It was the spending that put me over the top – maybe I should have adjusted for Oz exchange rates.
Excuse me, I must now go into hiding, lest the Aussie Eco-Terminator hunt me down!

21. I really should make my “If you really cared about AGW, You’d Kill yourself” T-Shirts. Of course, it probably wouldn’t be too long after that we’ll start seeing global warming suicide bombers.

22. belikeme says:

All funding should be stopped for the abc, for their continual propagandas of rubbish. I hope someone sues them for this ! abc the commo station .

23. crosspatch says:

This is obviously a projection of some group’s self-loathing onto other people. Maybe the people who wrote that do indeed feel THEY should die for having used up what they have determined is “their share” of the world’s resources. But to carry that on to mean that everyone else should also feel that THEY should die appears to me to be a manifestation of some serious mental health issues, narcissism being among them.
What about people that use up more than their share of people’s patience? What about the accident prone who use more than their share of rescue resources? But what really upsets me is this notion of “if you do more of something than I am willing to tolerate, then I think you should die” is arrogant to the extreme. I suppose that would have been an extremely effective way to ration sugar in World War II. Imagine something like “You get to use all the coupons in this book, and then we kill you”.
The people who made that website need some serious help.

24. indigo says:

I’ve been saying for some time that Australia’s tax funded national broadcaster the ABC, fails to report proper science because all it offers is a sneak view into the madness, power, politics, funding and control of the global warming industry which is best understood as a religious calling. It points to weak people, a weak media and an outcome where proper science faces a diminishing role in public policy.
This “Professor Schpinkee’s Greenhouse Calculator” is an inexorable and schemingly designed piece of propaganda targeting young impressionable minds. It crudely promotes the worship of a fictional view of life with the monstrous lie that CO2 is a dangerous pollutant. This is a paradox and when you find every paradox you also find incorrect assumptions.
It is now not education at the ABC because it is deceptive, ugly, damaging, indoctrination and a place where young people learn to be stupid and get proselytised by being relieved of their commonsense.

25. Steve Stip says:

If my theology is correct, one day the earth worshipers/human haters WILL have the earth to themselves for a while. I doubt they will like it much though.

26. David Vermette says:

Did I miss something on the science behind the calculator portion? It says the ecologically sustainable level of CO2 is 3 tonnes a year. How in the world did they come up with that figure? And shouldn’t their answer be dependent on the number of people on the planet too instead of just a constant?

27. rex says:

would not take australians take on global warming seriously: they are by far the most fanatical and misinformed = sheep. They will also be spending the most which will probably collapse their economy by 2030 when global temps will be -30C

28. Sid says:

hmmmm … pink floyd pig (or Animal Farm pig if you prefer), professor (commie) schPINKeee…. me thinks someone had a sense of irony in the creation of this page.
At least I hope it’s irony…
Holy cow! I should have died when I was just a wee bairn – 3.8 years! Oh well, guess I’ll go take my Humvee to the airport and fly to Los Angeles for a double cheeseburger. Yeehaw!

29. Aviator says:

This is reminiscent of Hamas television in its bias and downright corruption of the truth. The producers should be fired and a public apology aired by ABC. There will never be another generation of legitimate scientists if the kids are brainwashed with this crap,

30. They forgot to include the number of times that you have exhaled each day so that would certainly shorten my 4.6 years. I must repent because at 77 I have used up about 17 lives that someone else could have enjoyed though in a very Spartan manner.

31. I’m just curious, speaking as an evil forester who has planted or caused to be planted tens of millions of trees, what’s the carbon footprint of the ABC Corp? Do they use energy? If so, how much? Do they plant trees? If so, how many?
While we’re at it, what’s the carbon footprint of the New York Times? How many metric tonnes of newsprint do they sell? According to the Audit Bureau of Circulations the NYT dispenses 1,077,256 copies daily and 1,476,400 on Sundays. Considering the cellulosic carbon weight per copy, and the carbon budget of distribution (they transport their newspapers all over the world), not to mention the C-budget of manufacturing the newsprint, and the loss of carbon fixation from the clearcuts in Canada to make the paper pulp, I’d say the NYT carbon footprint is pretty hefty.
Maybe the ABC Corp and the NYT should be dead. Nothing personal, mind you, but for the good of the planet and all. In fact, the entire TV and newsprint industries should probably be killed. We have nothing to lose doing that, IMHO. Regardless of their carbon footprint.

32. Roger Carr says:

Anthony: The Austalian Broadcasting Corporation has crossed a line beyond science, beyond decency, and beyond rational thought.
How about a little awe and respect here for our (my) national broadcaster, Anthony?
This is what they do best.

33. bucko36 says:

Mr. Watts, am I “banned from your site”? Most of the 31 one responses here, after I wrote my little “Prayer” when there were “0” responses, are a heck of of lot more critical than I was, “Sorry if I offended you”.
REPLY: No you aren’t banned, but the automated spam filter sometimes removes comments indiscriminately based on certain words without looking at context. Since I get hundreds of SPAM messages a day, I can’t always sort out wheat from chaff. I don’t know what your post was about.

34. Evan:

I am a liberal apostate …. how my liberal brethren … hate me even more than they hate the conservatives … my kind is a real threat to them. And they are right to fear us: we will in the end defeat them.

Yes, Evan, I too am one of those liberal apostates. Sadly, Liberalism – even Fabian Socialism – as a big tents have fallen on bad times. Liberalism and the older, more moderate Fabian-style Socialism are being hijacked by nihilistic and misanthropic ideologues with a savior complex. Their vainglory is unlimited and they seek to galvanize the guileless and unsuspecting into an assault on a proxy foe that is just as empty and anecdotal as the Bastille.
They go about wearing Che Guavara shirts, apropos of nothing. They espouse Art Bell-level nut theories (like the Rosie O’Donnell “Truther” syndrome) as though no one would ever call them on it.
I interviewed for an afternoon with an enviro outfit here in Austin a few years back. I was subjected to some of the most inane soapboxing and grandstanding ever. Bush Eats Babies, 9/11 Truthers (it was an “Inside Job” you see) … I forget some of the rest. The inmates were running the asylum.
I *do* hope we can somehow defeat them sometime soon, but get on Daily Kos or Dem. Underground and the situation looks pretty grim.

35. Schwarze Tulpe:
Yes, the 500M types are loathsome. Why can’t they just go first, eh? Oh, I see, that wouldn’t work…. Shades of Pol Pot with those folks.

36. Gentlemen, you all lack ambition! I maxxed all of my CO2 allowances and I found my life almost ended before it began, at 1.1 years.
It dawned on me: CO2 is the original sin of environmentalism. We are all guilty of this sin and therefore, either through blood or indulgences, we must seek atonement for this original sin against Gaia.
China’s exempt, however. And funny, China’s run by commies. So tell me again, who rigged this circus? Uber-socialist Maurice Strong, right? The Canuckistani who’s hanging out in China now? He’s Al Gore’s buddy, right?
light bulb turns on inside head
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/china-culprit-us-created-global-warming

37. J.Hansford. says:

…. At times like this I think of what that old Jewish Concentration camp survivor once said.
He said… ” If somebody says they want to kill you….. Believe them.”
…. Well they’re tellin’ us.

38. It is so sad and so stupid.
The message is that you are not welcome to this world; you are a burden and will continue to be a burden until you die.
And this is open for everybody to read on the net. It is for children, for depressed persons for other stupid people and so on. I hope that someone can talk the authors to responsibility.

39. Alex Llewelyn says:

The oldest you can live before you live forever is 96.2 at 2.4 tons. With 2.3 tons you live forever. Seems quite a difference to me…

40. Aqua Fyre says:

From now on I am going to go around leaving Carbon footprints everywhere I can.
I will deliberately use charcoal cooking beads, put charcoal filters into my shoes and drink as much carbonated drinks as I can..
In fact, this weekend, my mates and me, will be sitting around a wood fired BBQ, munching on big fat Pork sausages and burgers, with plenty of fried onions.
To top it off, we’ll all be washing it down with plenty of Beers that have stacks of Co2 gas in them.
And if that lot, doesn’t piss off those Fw*t Greenies at the ABC, then imagine the look on their faces as all that CO2 & Methane gas comes out of our ArseH*oles…
Cheers
Aqua Fyre

41. Pierre Gosselin says:

“The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has crossed a line beyond science, beyond decency, and beyond rational thought.”
Not only ABC. You could add hundreds to the list.
The level of preposterousness of this charade ought to convey even to the most diehard AGW believers what a kook train they’ve been riding on.

42. Pierre Gosselin says:

LOL! I just played the game and I’m proud to say I died a sudden bloody death at age 2.1!
But the message of this twisted game is that to live long you have to
1. Walk or bike everywhere
2. Never use a car
3. Never fly anywhere
4.

43. Pierre Gosselin says:

This not my day!
4. live under a bridge
5. share the bridge with 100 bums
6. use no energy
7. use no electricity
8. recycle your waste
9. eat grass
10. Spend no money
Actually there’s a place where we have this.
It’s called Darfur!

44. Pierre Gosselin says:

Now, just for fun,
I’m going to pretend I’m Al Gore:
…Dead at 1.2 years.

45. Nudge says:

This is what my tax dollar pays for?
Someone just shoot me : )

46. Bob B says:

This is the face of evil showing the times to come if the global warming religion is not checked. The Czech president knows this and sees this much like the communist methods of old. Thanks to Anthony and this site for alerting the public.

47. cohenite says:

I attempted to have a letter published about this abc site in the fairfax media some time ago; with no luck; the abc may be the front-runner in presenting AGW with religious fervour and bias, but it is aided and abetted by certain sections of the msm. This website is beyond the pale and I hope whoever is responsible has their livelihood ‘blown up’, just like a certain little pig.

48. Dave says:

Since it’s supposed to be for kids, I had my 10 year old try it. She thought it was, in her words, “the most horrible website ever”. She’s not so easily taken in by the propaganda.
BTW, she should die by 3.3 years. I guess she should have purchased carbon credits from The goracle.

49. Dave says:

I love their Green Warrior “Greena”. A hypocrite peacenik with her smelted nose ring, earrings (ripped from the bowels of mother earth) and tattoos .
Check out the shows http://www.abc.net.au/science/planetslayer/greena.htm
What a bunch of useless propaganda.

50. I really should make my “If you really cared about AGW, You’d Kill yourself” T-Shirts. Of course, it probably wouldn’t be too long after that we’ll start seeing global warming suicide bombers.
Aaron, I’m in. Right out of college, I started my own little T-Shirt design company. Of course, It went no where and I soon moved on to other things, but now I realize; this venture failed due to man-made global warming!!!

51. kim says:

This is naked evil, and the creator was sure he was well intentioned.
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52. swampie says:

Huh. It said I should die at age 9.4. Oddly enough, none of the questions about what I “spent stuff on” pertained to pasture land or trees or flowers…..you know, stuff that takes CO2 from the atmosphere.
A silly political “game” created by morons who don’t know anything about the ecosystem that they are purporting to “save”.

53. Bruce Cobb says:

Enviro-fascism for kiddos. Nice, ABC. Good job frightening kids with your C02 propaganda. Keep up the good work. Hope you can sleep well at night.

54. bil says:

Sorry, couldn’t be bothered to go to the ABC site. Does it include breathing? If you’re not a meat-eater, then I assume you’re veggie, and killing plants must be the most heinous crime imaginable to the warmists. Killing animals for food must reduce CO2 and killing plants must increase CO2. I sense some inconsistencies that must be addressed!!!

55. Honestly, if we chucked every eco, global warming activist, and socialist into… well, something that doesn’t harm the environment, maybe we’ll be back to living “carbon neutral” and maybe they’ll be happy then.

56. skepticsglobalwarming says:

There was another blog I read that said after plugging in Al Gore’s information he should have died at age three. I wonder how much 50 years’ worth of carbon credits will cost Gore?

57. Ooops, should have read:
Here’s the next step in this process. We implant white glowey crystals into the palm of our hands, and we all live wonderful, happy, carbon spewing lives. But when we’ve expended our allotment of carbon, the crystal turns red, and we all joint carousel

58. BillS says:

Actually I’m about to border on heresy here, but stay with me.
They are correct – this is the most honest representation of what AGW is about…
it’s all about the money – it doesn’t matter if you recycle, if you reduce emissions or whatever, it’s not about you minimizing your impact on the environment or ways to protect the environment – all that matters is how much money you gave to the approved groups.
Of course with institutions like the church they settle for a 10% tithe – but the AGW people want more, much MORE. You see it’s not about what you do or how much money you produce but how much you donate to the church of Global Warming. If this was about changing behavior – then changing your behavior would impact the end result – other controversial items such as breathing and having children would play a role. But the only way to change your results significantly is to agree to give them your money.

59. David S says:

Well it seems that I died 53 years ago. That’s rather disappointing.
They left out one term from their “Pig” themed website; HOGWASH!

60. dm60462 says:

This is from my local (south side of Chicago – you know, those “whiteys’ that B.O. and his religous thugs hate so much) paper this morning…
It’s Not Easy Being Green: Environmentalists are gaining ground throughout the U.S. – but not in the Southland
BY GUY TRIDGELL Staff writer
Green, schmeen.Nothing can get a south suburbanite’s mustache off kilter quicker than getting accused of not climbing on the bandwagon of the latest sissy trend fast enough. We here are legendary for embracing yesterday’s trends tomorrow.
Remember Disco Demolition Night? An entire genre of popular music was brought to its knees by a gang of rowdy South Siders on a fiery night at the old Comiskey Park. One day, we’re telling the world what we think by blowing up a big pile of their vinyl records in the outfield at 35th Street and Shields Avenue.
Are we watching history repeat itself? The green movement might be gaining momentum elsewhere. It’s just not getting much traction around here.
Why? Maybe because going green is getting, well, kind of stupid.
Let’s face it, you tree huggers out there, you have become part of a huge marketing gimmick. You are getting played for a buck. When the obituary for the green movement is written, it’s probably going to start with a south suburban dateline.
Consider:
• Trader Joe’s. The hawker of fancy “groceries,” such as free-range salmon and organic dental floss, is refusing to put out much of a welcome mat in these parts. Don’t even go looking for Whole Foods and its famed arugula, whatever that is.
• Electric cars. Try finding a true electric vehicle in these parts. None of this hybrid nonsense, but a car that runs strictly on batteries. A dealership for electric cars opened in Oak Forest last year. It closed after a few months.
• Solar energy. Looking to use the sun to heat your water and power your home? Just one guy in the south suburbs sells solar panels. And he’s still waiting for that first customer.
• Carbon offsets. This latest fad within the green fad allows airline passengers to pay a little extra on their fares. Bill Frank, a Homewood travel agent, said he is waiting for the first call from a south suburban client who even utters the words “carbon footprint.”
Lionel Trepanier, leader of a local environmentalist group known as the South Metro Greens, has learned that being an environmentalist in the Southland can mean sticking out like a sore thumb at times. His reasons for why it ain’t happening? Here, collars are blue. Trepanier said global corporations for years have preached that environmental causes are bad for businesses and job growth. But according to Trepanier, it’s those same corporations that are exporting jobs to countries with lax environmental laws, leaving the blue-collar worker to suffer.
St. Xavier University biological sciences professor Christopher Appelt believes that day is coming. Appelt said being green historically meant having a particular political bent. And while we might be Democrats around here, we’re not necessarily the liberal Democrats.
When it comes to going green, we are still old school. It’s enough to make a Southland resident want to throw in the towel when it comes to converting to a green lifestyle. At least he knows it might take up some good space in a landfill.
http://www.southtownstar.com/news/979253,060108aacoverstory.article

61. This is very sad. Terrorizing and brainwashing children to advance a political agenda.
Harkens back to the Hitler youth of the ’30s and ’40s.

62. I tried the game and it told me I’d live forever. I agree that this is a bizarre way to engage 9-year-old children in sustainability concepts. I’d like to know more about the communication theory behind this game. It appears to be targeting boys who are a little into the “garbage pale kids” mindset — a little into the pukey and grotesque, eager to see pigs explode, that sort of thing. But, does this over-the-top “you are average in your effects on climate change, therefore you should die at 9.2” strategy work for the assumed demographic? It appears it would more likely cause a child to feel self-righteous in their lower than usual contributions to greenhouse emissions (kids don’t drive, fly much or spend tons of cash so probably end on “you will live forever” when they reach the end). In my opinion, an elitist attitude toward one’s lesser individual greenhouse emissions will do little toward propagating the values all of humanity will need to adapt if it is to avoid the predicted consequences of climate change. Individuals, alone, can do very little to steer us away from the shipwreck. Governments, corporations and large organizations need to get their carbon and pollution emitting asses in gear on preventing climate change before we can even begin to make a dent on the problem.

63. Pierre Gosselin says:

Concerning this ABC test, it’s just plain sophomoric and stupid.
In a way I’m glad they put this out, as it’s a prime exhibit of their scrap grade quality propoganda. Everyone now sees what idiots they are acting like.

64. Tina Jannello says:

This is a load of c***!

65. This is what my tax dollar pays for?
Someone just shoot me : )

66. Michael Ronayne says:

The similarity between the Australian Broadcasting Company website Planet Slayer and the brainwashing of German children by the Nazis is shocking. The Nizkor Project is dedicated to the 12 million victims of the Holocaust. They have a chilling report, written by Mary Mills, of the Nazi propaganda techniques which were used to indoctrinate German children to hate all non-Aryans.
Propaganda and Children during the Hitler Years
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mills-mary/mills-00.html
Like the Nazis the first objective of the ABC is to dehumanize their enemies by depicting them as sub-human, or this case “Greenhouse Pigs”. Ms. Mills provides an example of Nazi new math.
“The Jews are aliens in Germany–in 1933 there were 66,060,000 inhabitants in the German Reich, of whom 499,682 were Jews. What is the per cent of aliens?”
Let’s help the ABC and update this math problem for them
The Greenhouse Pigs are aliens in Australia–in 2006 there were 19,855,288 inhabitants in Australia, of whom 499,682 were Greenhouse Pigs. What is the per cent of aliens?
Here is an example of another Nazi new math problem with is very similar to the ABC’s current thinking.
Some Mathematics Lessons from Nazi School Books
http://www.ethicsineducation.com/Nazi%20math2.pdf
“Various calculations place the cost to the state of a mentally ill patient at 1500 Reich Marks per year. (To educate) a remedial student costs 300 Reich marks, an elementary school student 100 Reich marks and middle and high school students about 250 Reich Marks each. Restate this problem by calculating other possible alternatives. Careful estimates place the number of mentally ill patients, epileptics and others in (German) institutions at 300,000 persons. What is the total yearly cost of this at four Reich marks per person per day? Disregarding repayment how many new Marriage Grant loans at 1000 marks each could this sum provide?”
Just change a few words and you would have a math problem which the ABC would be happy with. Once you have dehumanized a group, genocide becomes so much easier.
Anthony recommends that we contact the ABC which is good advice. We should also contact File Victoria http://film.vic.gov.au/ who apparently developed the content for Planet Slayer at http://film.vic.gov.au/www/html/39-contact-us.asp. Here is additional information about File Victoria which reports to the Minister for Innovation (AKA Minister for Propaganda).
About Film Victoria
http://film.vic.gov.au/www/html/32-about-film-victoria.asp
Yes, brainwashing children is definitely innovative!
There is one other thing which those of us with advanced computer skills can also do. Download a working mirror of the Planet Slayer http://www.abc.net.au/science/planetslayer/ website for possible future legal action. Someday sanity will return to Australia and the perpetrators of Planet Slayer should be charged with child abuse or worse.
Mike

67. I was very close to being a green pig. What failed me was that I don’t invest in renewable energy stuff (the last question). My small, but plump pig exploded, and I am expected to kill myself at 23 for my planet’s sake. I turn 22 in August.
I don’t drive. I live in a two room apartment. My energy bill is tiny. But I eat a lot of meat and don’t invest in renewable energy. I suspect even a ‘green pig’ would yield an unsatisfactory life span.
In addition, the 10th question: “How much money you spend” seems to have almost absolute control over your results, secondary to the percentage you invest. It doesn’t matter how much you do… if you’re rich like Al Gore you’re still going to fail unless you give it all away to renewable energy and ecosystem organizations.
You can live forever if you do everything right – but by then you’re living in a one room flat with 4 people, bicycling to work every day, never flying, barely using electricity, recycling your poop and your room-mates poop, never eating meat, not buying anything unnecessary, and investing 100% of your non essential cash into businesses that make environmentally safe products. I got a -357.0 by spending the maximum on question 10 and giving 100% to the organizations on question 11.
So basically to pass I have to either live like a bum or be insanely rich.

68. antioxexpress says:

My Great-Grandparents, Grandparents and parents lived in the Los Angeles (California) basin which is the large Los Angeles area ringed by coastal mountains and, therefore, traps pollution in the basin during all warm weather. During all three of their generations, Los Angeles disposed of its’ trash by way of every household (and businesses) within the L.A. Basin having their own backyard incinerators. Every household was expected to burn their own trash and, guess what, the air was filled with – and I mean FILLED – with lots and lots and lots of soot and smog all the time. Los Angeles back then had a permanent layer of smog and haze that current generations cannot even begin to understand. And guess what? My Great-Grandparents lived into their 80’s, my grandparents lived into their 80’s, I have one parent who passed away in her late 70’s and one parent who is pushing into his late 80’s. So I’m thinking this “carbon footprint” stuff is pretty much bogus and has taken on a life of its’ own because it sells – mainly it sells FEAR so we’ll give away a lot of our personal freedoms to crafty folk who have figured out ways to profit from our fear (and stupidity?) So they sell us “carbon credits.” GOOD GRIEF!! What a racket!! How bogus can that get?
And you know the scariest thing of all? It’s that a whole bunch of people don’t exercise critical thinking skills and buy into this stuff. Hmmmm…..now that’s really scary!
“Mac”

69. Bill P says:

Might be a case to be made (do I have to go to actually go to their web site to decide?) that this is a high school sophomore’s first attempt at satire. It takes practice to get good at it. If you wanted to cast AGW’ers in the dimmest light possible, you couldn’t do much better than a “game” designed to allow the user to “find out what age you should die at…”

70. So the Australian Broadcasting Company is saying, “Hey kids! Save the planet; kill yourself!”
To which my response is: “Okay, guys. You go first.

71. This is beyond sick and disgusting. I was supposed to die at 11 years old–imagine the nightmares and the long-term developmental issues I’d have if I read that at age 10!

72. John A says:

Actually I think it would be fun to offer children’s t-shirts with “According to the ABC, I should have died at 2.2 years” on them. I’d have my 4 month old son in a little one that says “I’ve only got another 1.5 years before ABC says I should die to save the earth”
How about THAT for “consciousness raising”? (Or propaganda as it used to be called)

73. Mike D., reminds me. At work, the people by the printer keep saying we’re “going green” and limiting printing to 5 pages a day (they’re kidding, they just don’t like the traffic). I tell, we have to give ’em a reason to grow trees.
They keep growin’ trees and sucking CO2 out of the air, and I’ll keep stuffing it in a landfills for ’em. Industrial scale sequestration at a profit.

74. Evan Jones says:

I *do* hope we can somehow defeat them sometime soon, but get on Daily Kos or Dem. Underground and the situation looks pretty grim.
Those dudes are our best allies, seeing as how they are their own worst enemies. They put their cards on the table and reveal themselves for what they are.
As do these planet-slayer items.

75. Robohobo says:

All who believe in this crap please do as you conscience says you should and off yourself when your alloted time is up. Please.
According to this POS I am supposed to die at 2.6 – 53.4 years ago. So, FU, I will not go quietly. Please, please, come and try to send me off this mortal coil, please.
I need the target practice.
F.E.T.E.

76. airbornefive says:

Wow. I’m 23 and according to this calculator, I should have passed on 3.5 years ago with my fictional 11.5 Tonnes CFP.

77. Vodka says:

I actually think it makes a really good point… *shields self from pitchforks*
The starving children in Africa emit (comparably) no carbon, yet they’re the ones dying young. Children (or households rather) in affluent/developed/whatever-you-want-to-call-them countries are emitting a lot more carbon and, extenuating circumstances aside, living for ~70 years… A five year old watching their mother die and then starving to death is far more disturbing than this website. But, that said, It’s probably NOT the best idea to tell kids “you use electricity, YOU SHOULD DIE” while not giving or even suggesting alternatives to reduce carbon emissions (or maybe they do).
This is actually exactly the sort of thing I’m studying at university, and one of the biggest problems with ecological footprints (or “carbon” footprints in this case) is that all the blame is placed on the consumer, even children. And yes, consumers emit a large amount of carbon, but that’s because EVERYONE is a consumer.. It would be ideal to have every consumer use less energy and produce less waste, but they aren’t going to if they have easy access to cheap, unlimited energy. And while this kids website is a lot more extreme than other attempts to reduce carbon emissions/energy use, the response has been pretty much entirely negative. I mean, there’s no point in telling children “you’ve used your life’s worth of energy, now you have to die” and then offering them a TV, computer, playstation, gameboy, heating, hot water, toys and whatever else. Try and take all of those things away and adults and children will both kick and scream until they get their way.. which is a big reason why seemingly very little is being done to reduce energy use, people are too affluent and spoilt to give it up.
Anyway I’ll stop ranting.. I can see what the website was trying to do, and I think it’s a good idea, but they went about it the wrong way and probably created some annoying, angry, loud, overly opinionated, ‘climate-change-is-a-myth’ parents.. which in the end is pointless and gives me a headache.

78. Vodka says:

“would not take australians take on global warming seriously: they are by far the most fanatical and misinformed = sheep. They will also be spending the most which will probably collapse their economy by 2030 when global temps will be -30C”
rex, you’re an absolute idiot.
<3

79. Bernd Felsche says:

You can live forever as long as you pay indulgences.
Money can buy anything. Even a reprieve from death.
That’s what the government-funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation is inculcating.
Their models are, like the AGWers’, based on ludicrous assumptions.

80. Evan Jones says:

Vod: Unless he isn’t. The -30 figure is exaggeration for effect, but it could get an awful lot cooler, even if there is no major solar minimum, when the “big four” multidecadal cycles are all running cold (they all had all been on “hot” since 1995, until the PDO flipped this year).
The CO2 positive feedback formula, the essential IPCC premise, has been dumpered by the AquaSat data. (It was launched to prove AGW. So far it has disproved it.) So don’t expect any significant CO2 warming even if CO2 levels vastly increase.

81. rex says:

Vodka :apologies should be -0.5C by 2030

82. rex says:

Vdka These are all pro AGW or neutral (called lukewarmers now)…(but run by honest people)
Cryosphere today
AMSU satellite data
UAH
rankexploits
sea ice index (very AGW pro)
Good luck. In the end you may considered a hero.
In the event that the earth continues to cool as it is now for say 2-3 years there may be many organizations, individuals who will be wanting their money back from the initial investment in “Global warming” expect major lawsuits/goverment changes happening then. This is a pointer for the Australian Goverment and tha ABC

83. Denis Hopkins says:

Could anyone tell me if my students would get a balanced view from the speakers at this conference in London this summer?
This is the web page for the conference.
http://www.studyexperiences.co.uk/climate_outline_london.html
I know Joan Ruddock, the government minister will spout the usual media responses.
What about the others?
Dr Mark McCarthy, from the Hadley Centre
Prof Ben McGire from the Benfield Hazard Research Centre
Donnachadah McCarthy, Environmental Journalist (related to the Hadley man?)
and Juliet Davenport from Good Energy UK
I suspect that this is the sort of propaganda that deals simplistically with the issues.
Denis

84. just Cait says:

Vodka, even if African kiddies with their ‘near 0 carbon’ played the game they would blow up because they don’t have any money to spend on renewables. The game is rigged that way. Think you need to escape the lefty college and get yourself out into the real world… quickly.

85. Michael Ronayne says:

While going through the Planet Slayer website I wondered how the character Greena Worrier Princess, who looks like a 1960’s hippie retread suffering from a permanent bad hair day with piercing and clothing to match, was designed. When I reviewed the Planet Slayer credits page at http://www.abc.net.au/science/planetslayer/credits.htm there was one person who appears to be responsible for everything (see below), including I am sure making the afternoon cup of tea. That individual is Bernie Hobbs. Who is Bernie Hobbs? A quick search of Google provided the answer.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Bernie+Hobbs%22
Not only do we learn a great deal of information about Ms. Hobbs, we also learn the secrete identity of Greena Worrier Princess.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/img/bernie.jpg
http://images.tvrage.net/people/66/197936.jpg
I would be willing to bet the most of you though Greena Worrier Princess was fictional!
Not since Leni Riefenstahl has the world had so great a talent.
Mike
A List Of As Yet Unindicted Co-Conspirators
Credits
Content Director, Producer – Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science Online
Art Director – Bek Farr, Nectarine
Technical Director – Minty Hunter, Nectarine
Animation Director – Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Programming – Mike Pearce, Matthew Simpson, Nectarine
Animators – Steve Piscopo, Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Production Manager – Sasha Cunningham, Nectarine
Kylie Andrews – Producer, ABC Science Online
Ian Allen – Editor, ABC New Media
Amelia King – Mgr, Digital Media Fund, Film Victoria
Domenic Friguglietti – Mgr, Comm. & Co-Prodns, ABC New Media
Natalie Lapham, Jane Doyle – Accord Fund Managers, ABC New Media
Lisa Mitchell – Mgr, Marketing, ABC New Media
Carolyn MacDonald – Marketing, ABC New Media
Frankie Lee – Science Event Producer, ABC New Media
Thanks to: Moira Hogan, Julie Ramsden, Anthony Willis, Sebastien Maury, Rebecca Graham, Jacqueline Foord, Tina McIntosh, Eleni Bertes, David Tiley, Josie Favasuli.
Planet Slayer… another Bernie Hobbs concept.
THIS IS YOUR LIFESTYLE QUIZ
Content Director – Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science Online
Art Director – Bek Farr, Nectarine
Technical Director – Minty Hunter, Nectarine
Animation Director – Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Programming – Matthew Simpson, Minty Hunter, Nectarine
Animators – Steve Piscopo, Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Voice – Fiona Stafford, Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Production Manager – Sasha Cunningham, Nectarine
Greenhouse consultant – Dr Manfred Lenzen, School of Physics, The University of Sydney
Greenhouse consultant – Alan Pears, Sustainable Solutions, Melbourne
2 MINUTE GREENHOUSE CALCULATOR
Content Director – Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science Online
Art Director – Bek Farr, Nectarine
Technical Director – Minty Hunter, Nectarine
Programming – Minty Hunter, Matthew Simpson, Nectarine
Animators – Steve Piscopo, Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Sound – Markus Kellow, Nectarine
Production Manager – Sasha Cunningham, Nectarine
Greenhouse consultant – Alan Pears, Sustainable Solutions, Melbourne
Greenhouse consultant – Dr Manfred Lenzen, School of Physics, The University of Sydney
PLANET SLAYER – THE GAME
Content Director – Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science Online
Art Director – Bek Farr, Nectarine
Technical Director – Minty Hunter, Nectarine
Programming – Marcus Bennett, Nectarine
Design – Mike Pearce, Nectarine
Animators – Steve Piscopo, Kate Cawley, Nectarine
Sound – Markus Kellow, Nectarine
Production Manager – Sasha Cunningham, Nectarine
GREENHOUSE FACTOIDS
Content Director – Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science Online
Greenhouse consultant – Alan Pears, Sustainable Solutions, Melbourne
GREENHOUSE Q&A
Content Director – Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science Online
Produced with the assistance of Film Victoria’s Digital Media Fund –
The Digital Media Fund is funded by Multimedia Victoria as part of the Victorian Government’s Connecting Victoria policy, which aims to bring the benefits of technology to all Victorians.
PRODUCED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE
ABC – FILM VICTORIA MULTIMEDIA PRODUCTION ACCORD

86. Tom in Florida says:

Vodka: “The starving children in Africa emit (comparably) no carbon, yet they’re the ones dying young. ”
Lack of improved technology is why children in Africa die young. While “learned” ideologists and Gaia worshipers blame humans for Earth’s supposed demise, it is technological advances that have enabled us all to live longer, more healthful and interesting lives. That is what intelligent species do.

87. mercurior says:

I know this isnt the place but i couldnt find an email address for you, the latest news in the uk papers is
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023545/People-dont-care-climate-change-bad-dungeon-father-Fritzl-claims-Bishop.html
An Anglican Bishop has compared people who fail to take action to prevent global warming to the Austrian man who allegedly locked his daughter in a cellar for 24 years, repeatedly raping her and fathering seven of her children.
The Bishop of Stafford, Gordon Mursell, said that by failing to face up to the truth about climate change, we were – like Josef Fritzl – denying our children a future.
Hows that, maybe you can post something. we are worse than serial child rapists

88. Bruce Cobb says:

I don’t know what they’re teaching you at your uni., Vodka, but it sounds like a lot of leftist ideology, and not much in the way of science or common sense. C02 not only doesn’t drive climate change, but is beneficial, as it increases plant growth, meaning more food available. The some 100 ppm increase of the past century (of which man has contributed only about 3%) is responsible for about a 15% increase in plant growth. C02 increases as a result of warming, not the other way around. The sun is what drives climate change, and we are very likely headed for (if not already in) a significant cooling period similar to the LIA. For some actual science, try this site: Editorial: The Great Global Warming Hoax?.

89. The global warming stupidity has gone on long enough – we need to stop whinging and take action – whether its writing to advertisers boycotting the media that publishes rubbish, to making formal and legal complaints against the likes of Bernie Hobbs, to taking legal action against the likes of Al Gore – unless we stand up and do something this nonsense will continue to proliferate.

90. Chance Metz says:

Anyone live over the age of 25? according to this nope.

91. Vodka says:

rex – i was actually referring to the first sentence of your comment… (the offensive slur) you might as well say all americans are like the Westboro Baptist Church while you’re at it (and sheep references are generally related to new zealand)
cait – i dont recall ever saying the game was good or accurate, i said it had a point, rather than being pointless ‘lefty propoganda’… and I bet a lot of mothers in third world countries would love to see their children live past 9. Also, i think you should stop randomly dubbing things lefty.
tom – technological advances have allowed some of us to live healthy interesting lives, and forced those who didn’t to a life of poverty and disease.. and now there aren’t enough resources on earth to accommodate the ‘average american’ lifestyle (not picking on americans that’s just what most of these sort of things are compared to). We’d need about 6 earth’s worth of resources to give everyone the ‘average american’ lifestyle and about another 6 to safely deal with the waste and pollution (which is an assumption OF COURSE, but the point is it isn’t sustainable on ONE earth).
I don’t see why this should cause an argument, I don’t think the game is good or accurate.. I just think its stupid to generalise all australians or ecologists based on a kid’s quiz. The quiz is making a good point, but VERY badly. I don’t think you should ignore or oppose the point because it was made badly. Maybe a good alternative would be to research things like ecological footprints and explain it to your children in a better way than “this is when you’re should die”?

92. Vodka says:

rex – i was actually referring to the first sentence of your comment… (the offensive slur) you might as well say all americans are like the Westboro Baptist Church while you’re at it (and sheep references are generally related to new zealand)
cait – i dont recall ever saying the game was good or accurate, i said it had a point, rather than being pointless ‘lefty propoganda’… and I bet a lot of mothers in third world countries would love to see their children live past 9. Also, i think you should stop randomly dubbing things lefty.
tom – technological advances have allowed some of us to live healthy interesting lives, and forced those who didn’t to a life of poverty and disease.. and now there aren’t enough resources on earth to accommodate the ‘average american’ lifestyle (not picking on americans that’s just what most of these sort of things are compared to). We’d need about 6 earth’s worth of resources to give everyone the ‘average american’ lifestyle and about another 6 to safely deal with the waste and pollution (which is an assumption OF COURSE, but the point is it isn’t sustainable on ONE earth).
I don’t see why this should cause an argument, I don’t think the game is good or accurate.. I just think its stupid to generalise all australians or ecologists based on a kid’s quiz. The quiz is making a good point, but VERY badly. I don’t think you should ignore or oppose the point because it was made badly. Maybe a good alternative would be to research things like ecological footprints and explain it to your children in a better way than “this is when you’re should die”?

93. Vodka says:

rex – i was actually referring to the first sentence of your comment… (the offensive slur) you might as well say all americans are like the Westboro Baptist Church while you’re at it (and sheep references are generally related to new zealand)
cait – i dont recall ever saying the game was good or accurate, i said it had a point, rather than being pointless ‘lefty propoganda’… and I bet a lot of mothers in third world countries would love to see their children live past 9. Also, i think you should stop randomly dubbing things lefty.
tom – technological advances have allowed some of us to live healthy interesting lives, and forced those who didn’t to a life of poverty and disease.. and now there aren’t enough resources on earth to accommodate the ‘average american’ lifestyle (not picking on americans that’s just what most of these sort of things are compared to). We’d need about 6 earth’s worth of resources to give everyone the ‘average american’ lifestyle and about another 6 to safely deal with the waste and pollution (which is an assumption OF COURSE, but the point is it isn’t sustainable on ONE earth).
I don’t see why this should cause an argument, I don’t think the game is good or accurate.. I just think its stupid to generalise all australians or ecologists based on a kid’s quiz. The quiz is making a good point, but VERY badly. I don’t think you should ignore or oppose the point because it was made badly. Maybe a good alternative would be to research things like ecological footprints and explain it to your children in a better way than “this is when you’re should die”?

94. Bob Dog says:

Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!

95. Vodka says:

rex – i was actually referring to the first sentence of your comment… (the offensive slur) you might as well say all americans are like the Westboro Baptist Church while you’re at it (and sheep references are generally related to new zealand)
cait – i dont recall ever saying the game was good or accurate, i said it had a point, rather than being pointless ‘lefty propoganda’… and I bet a lot of mothers in third world countries would love to see their children live past 9. Also, i think you should stop randomly dubbing things lefty.
tom – technological advances have allowed some of us to live healthy interesting lives, and forced those who didn’t to a life of poverty and disease.. and now there aren’t enough resources on earth to accommodate the ‘average american’ lifestyle (not picking on americans that’s just what most of these sort of things are compared to). We’d need about 6 earth’s worth of resources to give everyone the ‘average american’ lifestyle and about another 6 to safely deal with the waste and pollution (which is an assumption OF COURSE, but the point is it isn’t sustainable on ONE earth).
I don’t see why this should cause an argument, I don’t think the game is good or accurate.. I just think its stupid to generalise all australians or ecologists based on a kid’s quiz. The quiz is making a good point, but VERY badly. I don’t think you should ignore or oppose the point because it was made badly. Maybe a good alternative would be to research things like ecological footprints and explain it to your children in a better way than “this is when you’re should die”?

96. Michael Ronayne says:

Not only is Ms. Hobbs the spokesperson for ABC Television science, she is also a cultural icon in Australia.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=%22Bernie%20Hobbs%22
I wonder of gay pigs have a smaller carbon footprint than straight pigs? Breeders produce all those nasty children with their ever so large carbon footprint. But Ms. Hobbs is working diligently to convince the kiddies to die young.
Mike

97. Wow that site sounds like would be “Logans Run” advocates. Renew in Carousel anyone?

98. Steve Stip says:

How about a “liberty footprint”? I am tired of individual rights being trampled by people who think they know what is best for the rest of us. How many corpses can be attributed to that mentality?

99. Peter says:

You get all wound up about a stupid game that will seriously influence about 22 kids.
At the same time the same commies propose to tell each one of you how to live. Not just how companies should or shouldn’t pollute, but how every individual should behave.
MPs call for personal carbon allowance
http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL2624587620080526?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
The sick ABC game is just the surface without consequence, the real stuff that will shut the freedom down is happening as we speak in our parliaments: Lieberman-Warner bill, today’s agreement between Quebec and Ontario, the Quebec carbon market last week, the UK personal allowance…
This is what we should be complaining about, in the newspapers, to the politicians.
Scary…

100. SteveSadlov says:

Zee vinahl zolution!
“Arbeit Macht Frei”

101. gingsir says:

Personally I think the danger is that smart children will draw the conclusion from this that the evidence for climate change is about as convincing as the little misleading childrens interactive game.
That would be a shame. Really the ABC should be embarrassed at presenting science in this pathetic way.
I think the intelligence and understanding of children is being underestimated here and by the ABC.

102. Tom in Florida says:

Vodka: “and now there aren’t enough resources on earth to accommodate the ‘average american’ lifestyle (not picking on americans that’s just what most of these sort of things are compared to). ”
Your point seems to indicate to me that the real problem is over population. Technology seems to be the blame as well as the salvation. As technology has enabled humans to produce greater and greater amounts of food and distribute it where production is lower, the population grows where it shouldn’t. Medical advances allow more people to fend off diseases that in the past have helped thin the herd. People live longer and use up resources well past where they wouldn’t have years ago. Damned if we do and damned if we don’t. Are we better off as a species with fewer, healthier people living a very nice life ? Biologically speaking, the greater the number the more successful the species. But is that really true in an intelligent species that has learned to manipulate nature itself? I wonder.

103. crosspatch says:

Reminds me of a kid’s show that I had forgotten about but is re-running on TV tonite. It’s about a computer program called “Earth Protectors” that brainwashes the kids.
“It is important to relax and let Earth Protectors do the thinking for you”.

104. SteveSadlov says:

RE: Vodka (06:17:46) :
I repeat myself when under stress
I repeat myself when under stress

105. Evan Jones says:

Biologically speaking, the greater the number the more successful the species. But is that really true in an intelligent species that has learned to manipulate nature itself? I wonder.
In a word, Yes.
And it is the very “manipulation of nature” that has made this plausible and desirable. The only thing more unlimited than “resources” themselves is the quaint, ridiculous, unsupportable notion that we are “running out of” resources.
(“What are they teaching in these schools?”)

106. MarkW says:

How do they determine what ones “fair share” is.
Sounds like they picked what one of those newly discovered Peruvian aboriginals would use.

107. Steve Stip says:

(”What are they teaching in these schools?”) Evan Jones
To cut to the chase: Anything that will lead to the nanny state.

108. Evan Jones says:

How do they determine what ones “fair share” is.
They take energy use, and divide it by the number of people. Which is a very, very stupidass way to do it. It sort of assumes that there is a fixed amount of energy and the more one person uses, the more is stolen from others. The usual M&M (Marxian-Malthusian) wealth formula and the usual stupid inanity as the result.
Anything that will lead to the nanny state.
What they will wind up with is a ninny state.
Why is it that they never seem to get that an effective nanny state is VERY EXPENSIVE, yet they do everything possible to prevent wealth creation and destroy what wealth we have? They are so blind they can’t even see their own self interest.

109. I can live forever!!!
No, serious, people!
I walk to work, eat ethically, invest in good products, cut back on energy usage, grow some of my own food… And I passed the “Forever” test!!!
We need to re-think our wasteful culture.

110. Evan Jones says:

GG:
Our “wasteful culture” does not deprive others. Quite the contrary! (I’ve done an awful lot of thinking and rethinking on this particular subject.)
As we speak, the poorer countries of the world are fast catching up with us both in terms of production AND wasteful habits (which is a Very Good Thing). And they are not taking ANY of it from us–they are producing it themselves. In fact, we trade with them to HUGE mutual profit.
You premise presumes a finite economic pie. It is, however, a vastly expanding pie.

111. power_series says:

This game equates environmentalism with socialism, plain and simple. More and more the greenies are exposing their red innards.

112. poetSam says:

to petty tyrants everywhere
You think your way is true,
what everyone should do?
Fine, but first on your own dime
and with your own sweet time.
And if your way proves right
then others will agree;
there is no need to fight.
But if your way proves wrong
should we have come along,
into the darkning night?

113. ursus says:

Idiots cannot educate, only make money and make others sick. It is anti science!

114. Environmentalist politics is the most enormous racist power grab in history.
It is also the most successful. The ban on DDT alone has killed more of the target group than the Third Reich, and I mean WWII and the Holocaust combined.
Of course, this is a tiny fraction of the number condemned to death if the Third World is not permitted to industrialize.

115. James Ritchie says:

And who gets to decide what my fair share is? Screw these loonies. The only footprint they should be concerned with is the one my boot leaves on their asses.

116. I don’t do trackbacks because bugs crawl up our tailpipe when I do, but you’ve been linked at Dodgy Business. Many thanks.

117. Mile66 says:

I should have died at age 3.5 (I’m 42). I guess I can do better. I’ve used American Dollars, so that may have distorted the results. Anyway, I shoot often, barbecue even more. Could those hobbies reduce my life-rights even more? Sweet! Now, who’s coming to “terminate” me? Better be bullet proof or at least bullet resistant. Did I mention that I shoot often? I always did, out of pure pleasure. Now I have understood the real reason why. I’m ready, Goreons!

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119. Talk about leftist insanity . . . well, wait, that term *IS* redundant . . . .Both the Gestapo and the NKVD / KGB did their best to indoctrinate kids to be good little spies on their parents . . . clearly the cult of gorebull scamming is working the same program of exploiting the vulnerability of youth. The cowardly leftist traitors do the same thing with sexual perversion and unilateral disarmament, why not this?

120. Kids are America’s most precious and most at-risk citizens. With drugs and peer pressure facing them on a daily basis, it’s no wonder that mental illness and drug abuse is at an all time high. Problems facing American children.

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122. Bill Jamison says:

They have changed the game to “Are you a carbon hog?” instead of “When should you die?”. Apparently other people were upset with the website too!

123. Andrew Daley says:

At first glance I thought that this might be a hoax but it’s all too real. I lived to 3.7 years. As a teacher I know just how pervasive this kind of propaganda is becoming. I wonder how the whole pig/hog thing goes down with Muslims- maybe we should post some links on Islamic websites… no, that would be irresponsible wouldn’t it?

124. Mike Pickett says:

Cults are the offshoots of religions like Environmentalism. The institution where I teach mathematics allows the instructors to post news articles, and one such article bemoans the “stain of man” on the earth. I’d love to tear it down, but, it is useless. As with any mainstream religion, Environmentalism will have cults that wait for spaceships in comets, and suggest getting together for some delicious “spiked coolaide,” or taking one’s own life to lower the strain on Gaia.
One thing in our favor in this madness: The average life of cults like this is something on the order of 40 years…then they fracture into little micro-cults, much like story of the beast Alvin and his friend Hilvar encounter at Shalmirane…

125. Spurwing Plover says:

The green eco-nazis are brainwashing kids with this carbon footprint popycock the more to make them part of the NEW WORLD ORDER and NEW WORLD RELIGION and to join and donate to the various eco-freak groups

126. steve says:

Folks. It gets worse. Now they want to teach atheism in schools. Part of the course is ‘world citizenship’. This is the globalist New World Order one world government softening up our kids. Speak up people. Educate yourself about the globalists agenda and new world order. Visit http://www.prisonpanet.com or infowars.com – It’s now getting urgent. They are coming after out kids. Tell your friends what is going on. Stop watching sport, stop reading celebrity magazines and mothers forget the recreational shopping. Educate yourselves instead.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/religion-in-schools-to-go-godfree-20081213-6xxs.html?page=-1
Humanist Society education director Harry Gardner said he had designed a course to be taught from prep to year 6 called “Applied Ethical Education — Humanism for Schools”. It covers subjects such as the art of living, the environment, philosophy, science and world citizenship. The curriculum is likely to be submitted for approval next year.

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